| 00:09.12 | mindjuju | anybody know how one can find out if a particular neighborhood is in Utopia coverage? |
| 00:09.40 | tierra | http://www.utopianet.org/where/ |
| 00:10.40 | tierra | not city? |
| 00:10.53 | tierra | best you could do is check with XM on an address |
| 00:12.34 | mindjuju | thx for th elinke! |
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| 01:10.19 | mindjuju | wasn't there somebody here who worked at mstar? |
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| 03:01.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. That's odd and a bit disconcerting. Oh well. |
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| 03:15.37 | thebigdog | what is? |
| 03:15.52 | Lone_Wanderer_ | My net connection. |
| 03:16.00 | Lone_Wanderer_ | It's not really stable. This makes me unhappy. |
| 03:16.08 | thebigdog | oh |
| 03:16.24 | thebigdog | instaling php and apache on mac is disconcerting |
| 03:16.29 | Lone_Wanderer_ | But it appears that if I leave my computer right here, it stays up. I don't like it right here - it's not a comfortable place to be. |
| 03:16.42 | Lone_Wanderer_ | But I can tolerate it for the amount of time it will take to download the stuff I want. |
| 03:17.13 | Lone_Wanderer_ | (A copy of SICP and Dr. Scheme) |
| 03:17.34 | Lone_Wanderer_ | And yes, installing Unixey stuff on a Mac is a bit bothersome. |
| 03:23.39 | thebigdog | i just need to get use to it is all |
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| 03:38.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Is anyone here familiar with Firefox? |
| 03:38.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Like, in an in-depth kind of way? |
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| 04:07.29 | beandog | I swear everytime I log into xchat the interface looks different. |
| 04:07.46 | beandog | my mind-altering drugs must be working. |
| 04:12.19 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: welcome back. been away? |
| 04:12.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. In fact, I'm still away. |
| 04:12.42 | Lone_Wanderer | At Ft. Useless. |
| 04:13.04 | Lone_Wanderer | (A fact I hope to keep away from a certain someone here for as long as possible.) |
| 04:13.46 | mgeary | uhhh. ok |
| 04:13.58 | mgeary | so, you don't want dw making fun of your location? |
| 04:18.13 | Lone_Wanderer | heh |
| 04:18.16 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not my location. |
| 04:18.28 | Lone_Wanderer | When he finally finds out, we'll make fun of it together. |
| 04:18.54 | Lone_Wanderer | For about 10 seconds. It's not even really worth the effort of ridiculing it for longer than that. |
| 04:19.00 | Lone_Wanderer | It's the reason I'm here, and what that means. |
| 04:19.57 | Lone_Wanderer | In short, I didn't get selected for SF, which is dissapointing. |
| 04:21.44 | Lone_Wanderer | disappointing? there, that's a better spelling. |
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| 04:26.19 | mgeary | dang |
| 04:26.25 | mgeary | sorry to hear that :/ |
| 04:26.41 | mgeary | i imagine there's a ton of applicants for few spots for something like that |
| 04:29.56 | Lone_Wanderer | There's about a 50% selection rate. |
| 04:30.06 | Lone_Wanderer | There's no limit to the number of spots. |
| 04:30.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Whoever's qualified, they'll take, because so few people are qualified. |
| 04:30.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I can go back again. It's a physical thing, I'm just not in shape enough yet. |
| 04:30.44 | mgeary | ah |
| 04:31.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Not a personality thing. Some guys don't get selected 'cause they're jerks or creeps or (poop)bags, they don't pass the psych profiles, or whatever. |
| 04:31.21 | mgeary | one would hope |
| 04:31.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Not a team player, not motivated enough, etc. There are a lot of personality things they can kick you out for. |
| 04:32.15 | Lone_Wanderer | So I just have to take some time, get in better shape, get stronger, etc. and I can go back to selection again. |
| 04:32.21 | mgeary | gotcha |
| 04:32.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe study some Arabic in the meantime ;) |
| 04:33.27 | mgeary | that'd be useful |
| 04:33.30 | mgeary | or chinese... |
| 04:34.20 | Lone_Wanderer | But I prefer Arabic :p |
| 04:35.40 | mgeary | eeh. they're both greek to me ;) |
| 04:35.59 | Lone_Wanderer | :D |
| 04:36.02 | Lone_Wanderer | You're so punny. |
| 04:37.08 | mgeary | mmmmm |
| 04:37.45 | Lone_Wanderer | O_O |
| 04:37.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I forgot that #uphpu is also home to discussion of delicious food. |
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| 04:43.20 | Lone_Wanderer | And the food here sucks. |
| 04:53.37 | Lone_Wanderer | and my rear end is starting to hurt from sitting on the floor |
| 04:53.39 | Lone_Wanderer | later all |
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| 05:16.24 | jgiboney | when passing an array out of a class, is the proper way to catch it like this .... $theArray = $theClass->getArray(); |
| 05:20.20 | jgiboney | oops I just forgot to put the return statement in |
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| 15:51.57 | jsmith | ~salute timinator |
| 15:51.58 | jbot | ACTION shows timinator how to count in binary on his fingers... then stops conspiciously on the number 4 |
| 15:52.03 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 15:53.32 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:54.01 | timinator | I can do that too: |
| 15:54.06 | timinator | ~flip jsmith |
| 15:54.07 | jbot | ACTION gives jsmith the .|.. ..|. |
| 15:55.35 | timinator | hehe |
| 15:56.01 | jsmith | Hey, at least mine was an accidnet |
| 15:56.07 | jsmith | s/accidnet/accident/ |
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| 16:18.11 | cole_joplin | Hey, are we having a meeting on Thursday? Just checking. |
| 16:22.43 | herlo | cole_joplin: I thought so |
| 16:24.22 | cole_joplin | what's the subject? |
| 16:28.32 | cole_joplin | ya, know, I'm going to have to ask everyone to stop bombarding me with details |
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| 16:34.57 | mindjuju | ~APB brasto |
| 16:34.58 | jbot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to stake out brasto |
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| 16:42.53 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday - Storing and Retrieving Hierarchical Data in a MySQL Database With PHP | UPHPU | http://uphpu.org |
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| 17:00.22 | josephscott | ping mindjuju |
| 17:01.07 | josephscott | oh, never mind, think I just remembered |
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| 17:19.44 | mgeary | ~ping brasto |
| 17:19.44 | jbot | pong brasto |
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| 17:42.28 | orsonj | heh |
| 17:42.31 | wps | wow |
| 17:43.06 | mgeary | not to mention that SSL doesn't encrypt the URI, afaik |
| 17:43.51 | fungus | SSL does encrypt to URI, but it is still saved in the History, log files, and such |
| 17:47.02 | fungus | SSL encrypts the whole packet. That is why you can't do name based virtualhosts with SSL. |
| 17:49.10 | fungus | Though it is still a bad idea to pass authentication secrets via GET. |
| 17:51.34 | thebigdog | anyone using a web based time clock? |
| 17:52.19 | mgeary | thebigdog: we use some H:M:S javascript countdowns, but not a clock, per se. What're you after? |
| 17:52.28 | mgeary | ah |
| 17:52.30 | mgeary | like a time tracker |
| 17:53.07 | thebigdog | employee time clock...where a employee can login via a site and it tracks their time for the day |
| 17:53.13 | mgeary | SunSparc: that has web integration? |
| 17:54.20 | fungus | thebigdog: I used a custom written one at ArosNet, but don't have the code. |
| 17:54.33 | fungus | and here at SOS, it's all ASP + MSSQL crap |
| 17:54.42 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:54.57 | thebigdog | im just wondering if anyone is using an opensource one they would recommend |
| 17:55.05 | thebigdog | if not then i can search around |
| 17:55.36 | mgeary | SunSparc: so... can OTJ integrate with a web DB? |
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| 18:11.08 | SunSparc | So, went away. |
| 18:11.34 | SunSparc | No, no web integration. Sorry. Does not fit the question in that way. |
| 18:28.23 | brasto | ~shoot the developer that puts a password in the URL with GET... |
| 18:28.24 | jbot | ACTION shoots the developer that puts a password in the URL with GET... in the ear with a cork gun! |
| 18:29.09 | brasto | there, mgeary that oughta take care of things ;) |
| 18:30.33 | mgeary | "aww, mgeary, you're full of crap. I don't believe such a site actually exists!" |
| 18:30.44 | influx^^ | Hahaha. |
| 18:30.50 | brasto | lol |
| 18:42.25 | brasto | ~get wps |
| 18:42.25 | jbot | ACTION fetches wps |
| 18:47.07 | influx^^ | ~apb my left shoe |
| 18:47.08 | jbot | ACTION summons Beth to stake out my left shoe |
| 18:47.25 | influx^^ | not *your* left shoe, jbot. miiine. |
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| 19:28.08 | mindjuju | http://communities.vmware.com/thread/92619?tstart=0 |
| 19:28.19 | mindjuju | errr... wrong window, sorry |
| 19:31.30 | thebigdog | ty mindjuju |
| 19:39.08 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: I wrote a time clock |
| 19:39.45 | thebigdog | really |
| 19:40.19 | Utah_Dave | Yep, I could get you the code, but it's pretty customized for our shop |
| 19:40.34 | Utah_Dave | People check in, check out, go to lunch, etc |
| 19:40.57 | Utah_Dave | Their schedules, the schedules for the whole team they work on, etc |
| 19:43.07 | Utah_Dave | A client of mine uses a commercial web based time clock for their employees. I'll find out the name if you want it |
| 19:44.26 | thebigdog | k |
| 19:44.36 | thebigdog | im just trying to find some options out there |
| 19:44.49 | thebigdog | i was wondering about some open source ones |
| 19:45.25 | Utah_Dave | there was a pretty decent one on sourceforge that I liked |
| 19:45.47 | Utah_Dave | It was pretty basic, but we ended up having to build a custom solution |
| 19:45.54 | Utah_Dave | let me search my bookmarks |
| 19:49.00 | thebigdog | cool Utah_Dave that would be great |
| 19:49.22 | Utah_Dave | OK, here's the one I was looking at http://timeclock.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:49.56 | Utah_Dave | A search on Sourceforge.net returned a ton of projects for time clocks. Some seemed to be pretty cool. |
| 19:50.34 | thebigdog | k |
| 19:50.38 | thebigdog | ill check it out |
| 19:51.18 | Utah_Dave | This one seems pretty cool, too. http://epayroll.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:56.01 | mindjuju | ~APB mgeary |
| 19:56.01 | jbot | ACTION hires Tim to find mgeary |
| 19:56.07 | mgeary | hey |
| 19:56.19 | mindjuju | mgeary, PM sent |
| 19:58.27 | PoeticIntensity | For all of you American Idol fans out there.... |
| 19:58.34 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=personal_entry&eid=3567&user=1 |
| 19:59.04 | fungus | lol, already got that last night. |
| 19:59.13 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... I loved it. |
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| 21:08.53 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 21:08.57 | macnewbold | bah |
| 21:08.59 | macnewbold | boring |
| 21:10.30 | dataw0lf | whoa |
| 21:10.32 | dataw0lf | that was weird |
| 21:10.35 | dataw0lf | that's my sister's zipcode |
| 21:11.56 | beandog | is she hawt? |
| 21:14.57 | influx^^ | She won't be after dataw0lf finds you. |
| 21:15.44 | Utah_Dave | ~woot |
| 21:15.48 | dataw0lf | she looks like my twin, so obviously |
| 21:16.05 | mgeary | ~console dataw0lf's sister |
| 21:16.06 | jbot | ACTION gives dataw0lf's sister the consolation moose |
| 21:16.10 | influx^^ | ha |
| 21:16.27 | dataw0lf | >:( |
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| 22:28.53 | wps | is there a way to print out all of the javascript variables that exist on a page? |
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| 22:31.03 | sean_t23 | Anybody mess around with php+wtk? I'm wondering if their is a bundle out their to get started quickly |
| 22:31.28 | sean_t23 | ** php-gtk ** |
| 22:32.52 | dataw0lf | ... why?! |
| 22:33.24 | wps | why to me or sean_t23 ? |
| 22:33.32 | dataw0lf | sean |
| 22:34.02 | sean_t23 | I've used java+swing in the past to build simple apps, I plan on switching over to php+gtk |
| 22:34.17 | dataw0lf | wps: you could, possibly, iterate over this |
| 22:34.36 | sean_t23 | I'm just planning on writing a very simple app to apply patches |
| 22:35.23 | mindjuju | sean_t23 |
| 22:36.00 | mindjuju | if i were you i'd write my question to the mailing list - Scott Mattocks, author of Pro PHP-GTK is on and may answer |
| 22:36.55 | mgeary | i'd have to believe that python is a better approach to rapid-dev GUIs than PHP, but i've essentially zero experience with that sort of thing |
| 22:37.16 | Utah_Dave | I've messed around with php-gtk a teeny bit. It's kind of cool if you don't want to bother learning another language |
| 22:38.40 | sean_t23 | ya i've done some python in the past, I've actually used Visual J++ and java beans in the past, which by the way are "Very Niceee" but require a JVM in order to run |
| 22:41.16 | dataw0lf | I don't know why you'd use PHP-GTK to write a desktop application when the development time is nearly equivalent to a Java or C++ application |
| 22:41.23 | dataw0lf | without the benefits of those languages, too |
| 22:41.38 | dataw0lf | I'd write it in Python or use a RAD development environ |
| 22:42.15 | sean_t23 | what would you suggest on the RAD side? |
| 22:42.32 | mgeary | i've heard good things about PyCard |
| 22:42.48 | dataw0lf | I don't know, I don't use RAD for GUIs |
| 22:43.04 | dataw0lf | PyCard has had some pretty good feedback, from what I've heard, as well |
| 22:45.09 | bradym | i looked at php-gtk once.. played with it for a couple hours and gave up.. |
| 22:45.38 | bradym | python++ |
| 22:50.28 | mgeary | ~lart Excel for not being able to display a 15-digit number properly |
| 22:50.28 | jbot | does a little 'renice 20 -u Excel' for not being able to display a 15-digit number properly |
| 22:50.47 | mgeary | if i wanted scientific notation, i'd ask for it, dangit |
| 22:51.18 | mgeary | it adds a zero to the end of the number. how asinine is that? |
| 22:51.22 | mgeary | grrrr |
| 22:51.38 | beandog | the real question is why are you using Excel |
| 22:51.41 | bradym | its MS... |
| 22:51.48 | mgeary | gotta manipulate tabular data |
| 22:51.57 | dataw0lf | because it's, I dunno, industry standard? |
| 22:52.04 | mgeary | i've had the *fewest* problems with Excel of any MS product |
| 22:52.14 | mgeary | if they only made Excel, i'd have no beefs with them |
| 22:52.40 | mgeary | except for this dang issue |
| 22:52.48 | beandog | the truth comes out, mgeary is a closet ms apologist. :) |
| 22:52.56 | mgeary | crap |
| 22:53.47 | influx^^ | coop the tot! coop the tot! |
| 22:54.22 | thebigdog | php-gtk is as fast as pygtk...its just bindings |
| 22:54.34 | dataw0lf | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 22:54.36 | dataw0lf | HAHAHA |
| 22:54.43 | dataw0lf | that's the funniest thing I've ever heard bigdog |
| 22:54.46 | dataw0lf | tell another joke |
| 22:56.42 | mindjuju | havne't seen a brawl between thebigdog and dataw0lf, since the brawl of '05 where the now legendary ~dhit and ~bdhit were created |
| 22:56.52 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:56.55 | dataw0lf | hehehe |
| 22:57.23 | thebigdog | sean_t23, why are you looking to move to php-gtk? |
| 22:58.21 | sean_t23 | manly due to the jvm that is required with the way I've create little apps in the past, and also it's limitations because it's over 10 years old |
| 22:59.08 | thebigdog | whats wrong withthe jvm? |
| 22:59.29 | dataw0lf | sean_t23: give Python's Tkinter a shot |
| 23:00.36 | thebigdog | or just use tcl/tk |
| 23:00.36 | dataw0lf | it's 1) bundled with the standard Python library, thus meaning that there are no other extraneous libraries needed (so your application will run on anything that has a vanilla Python install), 2) relatively easy to pick for beginners looking to build a small application, 3) Going to be way faster (and it's the slowest widget library in Python) than any windowing system that is called from PHP |
| 23:00.46 | sean_t23 | it's a 30mg bloat that is required before the app can even run, not to mention you all know how great java apps seems to run, I don't know if many of you guys use zend, but java overuses system resources to load it enitre jvm |
| 23:01.06 | sean_t23 | You know what I'm going to go with air |
| 23:01.08 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:01.25 | sean_t23 | :o |
| 23:01.42 | thebigdog | what is your target platform? |
| 23:01.57 | sean_t23 | just windows for now |
| 23:02.22 | thebigdog | why not just do it in a windows lang then |
| 23:02.24 | dataw0lf | http://www.astro.washington.edu/owen/TkinterSummary.html |
| 23:02.40 | sean_t23 | i'm just messing thou I'm not going to use air, although it would be cool |
| 23:03.49 | sean_t23 | I'm looking at tinker, and it's really comparable to php-gtk, but component driven simplicity, only difference is I know php like the back of my hand |
| 23:04.55 | timinator | I'm out guys.... another half day for the timinator :) |
| 23:05.05 | dataw0lf | timinator: may you burn in Hell! |
| 23:05.07 | dataw0lf | I mean, cya! |
| 23:05.15 | thebigdog | one of the fastest gui development i have ever done is with tcl/tk |
| 23:05.21 | timinator | LOL.... see ya in UT soon DW |
| 23:05.31 | thebigdog | you can do some really fast stuff |
| 23:05.38 | thebigdog | most langs have bindings too it too |
| 23:06.04 | thebigdog | but you need tcl/tk installed on the machine too |
| 23:06.56 | sean_t23 | ya, I don't have a problem with it, the big thing with the jvm was it couldn't be bundled with the app in a easy way, plus their was liscensing against it being bundled also |
| 23:07.20 | thebigdog | most peeps have a jvm installed |
| 23:07.33 | thebigdog | technically a jre installed |
| 23:07.54 | thebigdog | cause of their browsers |
| 23:08.14 | thebigdog | however, tcl/tk or gtk you will need to install that |
| 23:08.16 | sean_t23 | ya but microsoft had it's own version, I was using visual j++, sun sued the daylights out off them and now it's unsupported |
| 23:08.25 | thebigdog | yep |
| 23:09.41 | thebigdog | are you familiar with gtk or tcl/tk? |
| 23:10.03 | sean_t23 | not really but gtk more than the other |
| 23:10.37 | thebigdog | i do agree with my bro dataw0lf |
| 23:10.46 | thebigdog | if you are going to do gtk then do it with python |
| 23:10.52 | thebigdog | php+gtk is cumbersome |
| 23:11.00 | thebigdog | and not very robust |
| 23:11.12 | thebigdog | i personally would look at using tcl/tk |
| 23:11.17 | dataw0lf | http://truedat.org/ |
| 23:11.19 | thebigdog | i think that looks better on windows |
| 23:11.39 | thebigdog | but i dont think there is a php+tk out there |
| 23:12.01 | thebigdog | if you do py+tk then you should be able to port to almost everything |
| 23:12.14 | thebigdog | not sure on mac though |
| 23:12.21 | wps | so here is the reason that I am trying to find out what javascript variables have been set |
| 23:12.22 | thebigdog | i think you would be able too |
| 23:12.29 | wps | I have a script that I am using |
| 23:12.42 | wps | someone created an obfuscated version |
| 23:12.49 | dataw0lf | ahhhhh |
| 23:12.59 | wps | in addition to compressing it and removing the white space, they have renamed the variables to be shorter |
| 23:13.14 | wps | no my other scripts that call it are broken because the variable names have changed |
| 23:13.21 | wps | how would I find out what the new variable names are? |
| 23:13.49 | thebigdog | you contact the other developer |
| 23:13.54 | thebigdog | tell them to fix their crap |
| 23:14.01 | dataw0lf | hehe, no kidding |
| 23:14.09 | wps | yeah… I sent him an email |
| 23:14.11 | wps | still waiting |
| 23:14.25 | wps | :( |
| 23:14.37 | wps | I really want to be able to use this other version |
| 23:14.43 | thebigdog | if they are going to do that then it is their issue |
| 23:14.45 | wps | it takes the 160 KB file and reduces it to 50 KB |
| 23:14.58 | thebigdog | why not just remove white space then |
| 23:15.09 | dataw0lf | 160 kb javascript file? holy crap |
| 23:15.35 | wps | right… that's why this compressed version would be nice |
| 23:15.45 | wps | it's an entire js library |
| 23:15.53 | sean_t23 | wps: firebug++ |
| 23:16.08 | wps | I'm looking at firebug… but am not finding anything |
| 23:16.21 | wps | I guess I'm not sure how to use this thing |
| 23:16.22 | sean_t23 | check window, any variables set will show up in their |
| 23:17.19 | sean_t23 | also you can do a simple for(i in window) alert(i + "=" window[i]); |
| 23:17.36 | sean_t23 | add a + in their ;) |
| 23:32.32 | Utah_Dave | ~woot I'm being sent to Nassau Bahamas for a week for business! |
| 23:32.53 | wps | wow |
| 23:33.06 | mindjuju | k, that takes the cake |
| 23:33.11 | mindjuju | i'm coming with you to supervise |
| 23:33.16 | Utah_Dave | The hotel they're setting us up in is right on the beach |
| 23:33.22 | mindjuju | ! |
| 23:33.24 | influx^^ | NJ?? |
| 23:33.32 | Utah_Dave | http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/NASHIHH-British-Colonial-Hilton-Nassau-hotel/index.do?brand_id=HI&brand_directory=/en/hi/&xch=144403703,UOMMWWQUTYLYYCSGBIY2VCQ |
| 23:34.59 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 23:36.16 | mindjuju | ***TASER WARNING!*** |
| 23:36.16 | mindjuju | subdued high schooler tasered |
| 23:36.16 | mindjuju | http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Deputy_tasers_high_school_student_against_0219.html |
| 23:36.16 | mindjuju | ***TASER WARNING!*** |
| 23:41.33 | cole_joplin | don't tase me bro' |
| 23:41.56 | influx^^ | err |
| 23:41.58 | influx^^ | stifles? |
| 23:41.59 | influx^^ | something. |
| 23:42.08 | influx^^ | That... that's just... *sigh*. |
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| 23:45.58 | SunSparc | Idiotic? |
| 23:46.52 | wps | can you include a .gz file directly into a script or do you have to have a step that uncompresses it? |
| 23:47.10 | SunSparc | eh? |
| 23:47.13 | wps | and by "a .gz file," I mean a script that has been compressed |
| 23:47.23 | wps | I am trying to include a file into another file |
| 23:47.32 | wps | the first has been compressed with g-zip |
| 23:47.35 | SunSparc | Oh, using "include"/"require" |
| 23:47.44 | wps | yes |
| 23:47.45 | SunSparc | Hmm, dunno on that one |
| 23:48.00 | SunSparc | Never had the need |
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| 23:50.02 | wps | looks like this is what I need |
| 23:50.02 | wps | readgzfile() |