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00:13.06mindjujuhmmm, i like TMBG
00:19.00fungusdoh!
00:19.05mindjujuheh
00:19.51timinatorI'm out..... later guys
00:20.00mindjujulaterz
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01:07.53mindjujuk gents, i'm out
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04:55.23mgearyanyone around?
04:55.34jgiboneyi am
04:55.44mgearygood ol' jgiboney :)
04:55.56jgiboneylol, more like the terrible theorist
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15:28.55timinatormorning gents
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15:44.18mindjuj1morning
15:44.25jgiboneymorning
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15:58.52jgiboneyDoes anyone know if I can use shared memory to share objects? http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2004/05/13/shared_memory.html
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16:04.55thebigdogjgiboney, if you (de)serialize them in the shared memory
16:05.14thebigdoghowever those only work on unix systems
16:05.18thebigdogno windows boxes
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16:05.51jgiboneybut serialization doesn't share objects, it just acts as a storage spot for data, is that correct?
16:06.09thebigdogyeah im not sure you can pop an object into a semaphore
16:06.24thebigdogyou could try it out and see
16:06.36jgiboneydoes it work on linux?
16:07.12thebigdogyeah
16:07.15thebigdogjust not windows
16:07.34thebigdogyou might be able to save the object there
16:07.50jgiboneythanks, i am going to see if it can work, i know that memcached doesn't share the objects
16:19.59jgiboneyI just stuck an object in the code on that page and it seems to have written and read just fine
16:20.10jgiboneynow i just need to find out if it shares the object
16:20.57jgiboneyif i leave the memory open, will the system ever close it after a period of time?
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16:28.06thebigdogit might
16:28.11thebigdogim not 100% sure
16:28.51jgiboneyi guess it would defeat the purpose if you had to close it at the end of every script
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16:34.39thebigdogi think you can close it...but the memory is still there
16:34.53thebigdogso you can access it again via the script...until you remove it
16:44.41jgiboneyokay here is the test, http://www.expresslanevideo.com/docs/sharedmemorytest.php, http://www.expresslanevideo.com/docs/sharedmemorytest.txt
16:45.13jgiboneyrun it twice and watch the value the value of the test object, which doesn't change
16:53.19dataw0lfwhat's your question about semaphores?
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16:53.39jgiboneycan ICP share objects between users
16:55.31dataw0lfsemaphores should be able to, yes.
16:55.46jgiboneyso what did I do wrong then?
16:56.16dataw0lfI don't know, I've never used PHP semaphores and I don't plan to.
16:56.22jgiboneylol
16:56.42dataw0lfI've used them in C, however, which is what the PHP semaphore library is based upon
16:56.56dataw0lfbut PHP is probably stupid about it, like most things it does.
16:57.09jgiboneyya, i don't know
16:59.38_psychic_I've used message queues before
16:59.54jgiboneytell me more
17:01.39_psychic_uno momento
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17:41.10dataw0lfhttp://code.google.com/p/inspekt/
17:41.59wpshow much can MySQL tinytext hold?
17:42.19wpsI just read 255 characters, but I thought it was more than that
17:42.21wpsis that correct?
17:43.32wpshmm… looks like it is
17:43.46optikalhttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/string-type-overview.html
17:44.05wpsthanks for the link but the MySQL manual sucks
17:44.11wpsmight as well be in Greek
17:44.29SunSparcAgreed
17:44.30optikalsays it right here on that page in english, "A TEXT column with a maximum length of 255 (28 . 1) characters." :P
17:44.41optikalI just use google to search it, but other than that I have np with it
17:44.50SunSparcThe MySQL manual needs to be redone in the PHP manual format.
17:49.12dataw0lfwith proper Googling it's generally a non-issue.
17:50.02optikal^
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18:11.03PoeticIntensitymornin' all...
18:11.12PoeticIntensityIf you've got an extra 5 minutes, please take a look at this...
18:11.17PoeticIntensitymade me cry I laughed so hard.
18:11.20PoeticIntensityhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Tu5CPVoP8
18:13.16SunSparcLOL!!!!!
18:14.32PoeticIntensityisn't that hilarious!?
18:14.50wpswow
18:14.52SunSparcYes, it is actually
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18:42.45wpsis it possible to set a cookie with Apache?
18:42.48wps(not PHP)
18:44.07oldshmph, I find the mysql manual fairly helpful
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19:01.44mindjujuhowdy brasto
19:01.48mindjujuPM sent
19:02.09brastomindjuju: got it
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21:06.49influx^^http://msdn.microsoft.com/events/hero/
21:12.00orsonjgood move on microsoft part. I think they will do better in the world of fiction than in the software industry.
21:12.41influx^^:]
21:12.54influx^^I want DOS Grandmaster
21:13.12influx^^One that looks like Pai Mei.
21:13.55orsonjas usual, they are a bit late though. the writers strike is over. They could have done well during the gap.
21:23.18mindjuju~abandonship
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21:49.03SunSparcmindjuju: You fixed your boat?
21:49.28mindjujui need to wipe the OS and reinstall
21:49.40mindjujuthis XP install been going almost a year and a half
21:49.57SunSparcYeah, wipe it and install Linux.
21:50.33mindjujuwhat you running on that side?
21:50.41SunSparcOS X
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21:52.52SunSparcAlthough I have a copy of XP that I run on it, ever now and again.
21:53.58mindjujui think i have too many windows centric programs to run linux
21:54.08mindjujuthough i guess i could run them in some kind of shell or soemthing
21:54.23SunSparc:)
21:54.28fungusjust use a windows virtual machine
21:54.53fungusvmware player is free
21:55.34mindjujuso just install all necessary apps in the vm?
21:55.47fungusthen migrate off your windows apps slowly
21:55.54fungusyup
21:56.47SunSparcYou will never look back.
21:56.58mindjujuso would i gain any other advantages in running windows in a vm besides being able to reboot without taking down my whole system?
21:57.21SunSparcThe power and freedom of Linux.
21:57.44SunSparcYou would begin to shed that aweful stigma of being a Windows user.
21:57.50fungusYes. Easy backup. Ability to move to other machines. Even different hardware
21:57.51SunSparc;)
21:58.05dataw0lfgenerally when someone mentions the "power and freedom of Linux" they have a rather shallow interpretation of the power Linux really has.
21:58.14dataw0lfif you want to still use Windows, use it.
21:58.20dataw0lfJeepers, whatever makes it easier to develop in.
21:58.53SunSparcdataw0lf: I think that is an untrue generalization.
21:59.33fungusbeing able to more closely emulate the production env is useful too
21:59.50SunSparcOr perhaps I just do not understand your meaning behind it.
22:01.04dataw0lfever since I started using Linux as my dominant desktop OS (~10 years ago), people are always recommending Linux for the wrong reasons
22:01.27dataw0lfI use Linux because my first OS was Unix and I'm extremely strong on the command line.
22:01.44dataw0lfand it generally has better network security tools then Windows
22:01.54dataw0lfand an easier raw access to the network stack
22:02.20dataw0lfhowever, for someone who doesn't delve into deep network magic, want to hack the kernel, or have indepth knowledge of the bash command line, Linux doesn't do all that much
22:02.30dataw0lfmost open source tools available for Linux are available for Windows when it comes to general development.
22:02.54dataw0lfand, maybe I'm wrong, I don't think mindjuju wants to invest the handful of years it takes to be able to wield bash like a third arm.
22:03.14SunSparcdataw0lf: Good point.  While the average user can surf the web and write documents that does not mean Linux is for everyone.
22:03.25dataw0lfunless you have significant issues with Windows development, Linux is just going to be the same pain in the ass, but in a different way.
22:03.32dataw0lferr, pain in the butt*
22:03.36dataw0lfMy apologies.
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22:05.37SunSparcMy enjoyment of Unix/Linux usually causes me to throw out the "Adopt Linux" suggestion too readily.
22:06.00SunSparcI forget the learning curve.
22:06.40unumI tend to find the biggest issue is other people show them things in windows and they want linux to work just the same
22:06.58unumit's not that linux can't do those things, its just the program has different name
22:07.04unumand people can't handle that
22:07.12SunSparcTrue :)
22:07.29unumonce linux is used on 98% of the desktops it will be just as "easy" as windows
22:07.45unumhave you ever tried to change your keyboard layout on windows?
22:08.05unumwindows is not easy it is hard.  really hard.  it's just there's a very large base of other users to help you
22:08.13dataw0lfI find blind love of Linux while ignoring it's drawbacks, and senseless attacks on Windows ridiculous.
22:08.29dataw0lfit's exactly what will lead to Linux NOT being adopted.
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22:08.43unumya it tends to put people on the defensive
22:09.09dataw0lfignoring the fact that Microsoft DOES make some good products, while holding the Linux banner on stuff the Linux community has dropped the ball on (until very recently, NFS, for example)
22:09.17dataw0lfis retarded
22:09.23dataw0lfand I will fight against it until the end of my days.
22:09.47dataw0lfbasically, I don't want newbies in my elitist Linux community
22:09.50dataw0lfthat's what it comes down to.
22:09.54SunSparcBut it is so fun to bash Microsoft.  :)
22:09.56unumah one of those
22:10.18unumor hurd
22:10.19dataw0lfwe're all in Debian, and have been for years.
22:10.22unumanyone try hurd lately?
22:10.45SunSparcAnd Gentoo
22:10.46unumdataw0lf: I was trained by a debian elitist
22:11.08dataw0lfyes, we're the best.
22:11.10unumgentoo people don't spend enough time using their computers to be elitist
22:11.22SunSparclol
22:11.25dataw0lfunum: well the body kits for their cars usually takes up a substantial amount of time
22:11.41unumnow having used debian for over five years I also complain when I use anything else
22:11.57unumI don't understand why people wasted so much time finding and installing packages
22:12.15unumfor crying out load I want to *use* the software not spend all day installing it
22:12.34unumalthough fedora is getting better
22:12.41SunSparcunum:  sometimes, finding and installing is the fun part.
22:12.51unumI've hardly had to install anything by hand with fedora 7
22:13.09unumof course I always use dselect on my debian box to find the package name
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22:23.11mindjujusorry to step away from conversation like that.  Padawan came in.  I've been slowly converting the company I work to consider OSS by comparing functionality / reliability / cost v proprietary software; though obviously, if proprietary is the best route, then that is what i recommend
22:24.29mindjujui must admit though, the way apache has exceeded my expectations has been mindbogglingly -- i recommended it on a smaller project in part for the above reason, and in part for curiosity, over IIS
22:24.39mindjujuand hands down have really grown to love apache
22:24.56bradymyeah, it should always be about using the right tool for the job
22:25.17wpsIIS is never the right tool
22:25.23bradymand in the case of apache vs IIS.. well.. apache is always the right tool (ok.. 99.99999999% of the time)
22:25.31bradym:)
22:25.46mindjujuheh, now, i'd have to agree
22:26.34bradymlighttpd is also worth looking at for some projects, especially where you plan to serve up only static pages, or have a seperate server for static content
22:47.07dataw0lflighttpd for static media is a decent idea.
22:47.35dataw0lfit's easier than stripping down Apache for static media serving.
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23:43.11wpshow do I format my MySQL datetime into a timestamp?
23:43.53dataw0lfUNIX_TIMESTAMP()
23:44.43wpsin my query?
23:45.13fungusSELECT UNIX_TIMESTAMP(column) FROM table
23:45.17dataw0lfselect UNIX_TIMESTAMP(some_date_field) from some_table
23:45.31wpswhat if I was selecting all columns with an * ?
23:45.51fungusYou will need to specify this particular column at least.
23:46.05wpsis there a way to specify this one and then star the rest?
23:46.14wps(so that I don't have to list each one out?
23:46.24fungushrm, never tried that.  
23:46.28wpsk
23:46.28wpsthanks
23:46.31fungusCan hurt to just try it yourself.
23:50.45wpscool
23:50.51wpsit did work to list one and start the rest
23:51.31fungusYou can also do the opposite.
23:52.13fungusUPDATE table SET column=FROM_UNIXTIME(1203465105)
23:52.31wpsinteresting
23:53.09SunSparc_Later all!

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