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| 05:17.31 | influx^^ | w 6 |
| 05:27.15 | jgiboney | w 6? |
| 05:51.51 | timinator | *yawn.... see ya'll in the AM |
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| 05:54.03 | mgeary | hey |
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| 05:54.28 | mgeary | anyone around? |
| 05:55.34 | influx^^ | yo |
| 05:55.39 | mgeary | heya |
| 05:55.42 | influx^^ | What's up? |
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| 05:55.54 | mgeary | i'm looking for someone with experience with iptables. Got any? |
| 05:56.01 | mgeary | i'm only familiar with ipfw |
| 05:56.08 | influx^^ | None. Sorry. :\ |
| 05:56.12 | mgeary | doh! |
| 05:56.20 | influx^^ | What are they? |
| 05:56.29 | mgeary | firewalls |
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| 06:05.50 | influx^^ | Ah. |
| 06:08.36 | mgeary | btw, jgiboney |
| 06:08.54 | mgeary | i'm 90%+ certain that memcache serializes objects when you add them |
| 06:09.14 | mgeary | which is why resources (mysql links, etc) get lost on memcached objects |
| 06:15.22 | jgiboney | so can memcached share objects between users |
| 06:15.48 | mgeary | well |
| 06:15.55 | mgeary | it's not really *sharing* |
| 06:16.02 | mgeary | it's just caching, so it doesn't have to hit the files |
| 06:16.08 | mgeary | afaik |
| 06:16.26 | jgiboney | ya i am looking for a way to share objects |
| 06:16.28 | mgeary | so you get accelerated response (though objects need to be unserialized) |
| 06:16.37 | mgeary | but you don't get literal sharing |
| 06:16.58 | jgiboney | so that if one person updates the object, another person can see the results after refreshing |
| 06:17.11 | jgiboney | which is why memcache should work |
| 06:17.15 | mgeary | ah |
| 06:17.19 | jgiboney | right? |
| 06:17.38 | mgeary | yes, assuming they're retrieving based on the same key, i believe so |
| 06:17.44 | jgiboney | exactly |
| 06:17.47 | mgeary | we're actually planning to do something similar for a chat app |
| 06:17.53 | jgiboney | sweet |
| 06:17.58 | jgiboney | using memcache? |
| 06:18.03 | mgeary | we're going to use APC, it appears to be much much faster than memcache |
| 06:18.42 | mgeary | however, one problem i'd wonder about would be near-simultaneous change reconiliation |
| 06:18.49 | mgeary | reconciliation* |
| 06:19.04 | jgiboney | that is one of the problems i am trying to avoid also |
| 06:19.20 | mgeary | won't be a problem for us, because the chat output is moderated |
| 06:19.26 | mgeary | we're just concerned about read performance |
| 06:19.26 | jgiboney | ajax could work, but it would probably be messy |
| 06:19.41 | mgeary | what kind of data are these users accessing? |
| 06:20.22 | jgiboney | this is more of a general question as I plan one implement a lot of OO into a new web project |
| 06:20.49 | jgiboney | so the could be things as simple as an image with a description |
| 06:21.03 | mgeary | and you're expecting soooo much traffic that a database isn't good enough? |
| 06:21.20 | mgeary | and/or a simple file |
| 06:21.44 | jgiboney | its not the traffic, it is the robustness of the page to handle whatever comes |
| 06:22.03 | mgeary | like what? |
| 06:22.05 | jgiboney | and the learning that comes with it |
| 06:22.17 | jgiboney | a change in the database |
| 06:22.52 | jgiboney | right now with my spagetti code, if I switch to a different dbms it would probably kill me |
| 06:24.06 | mgeary | well, good luck, i guess. But i think you're ultimately going to be frustrated. PHP just doesn't support truly shared memory, as far as i know |
| 06:24.33 | jgiboney | that's why i first looked into memcached |
| 06:24.47 | jgiboney | I am also trying to find out if python supports it |
| 06:25.00 | jgiboney | shared memory that is |
| 06:25.36 | mgeary | i don't think (m)any *scripting* languages do |
| 06:26.12 | jgiboney | I know java supports it |
| 06:26.28 | mgeary | it's not a scripting lang |
| 06:26.40 | jgiboney | i know |
| 06:27.09 | jgiboney | i just don't want to write web pages in java, it just doesn't feel right |
| 06:27.21 | mgeary | amen to that |
| 06:27.23 | jgiboney | lol |
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| 14:10.44 | mgeary | hey |
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| 14:54.39 | timinator | morning guys |
| 14:54.48 | jgiboney | morning |
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| 15:57.16 | mindjuju | looks like everybody is coming into work today |
| 15:58.56 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 15:59.05 | Utah_Dave | I'm getting paid double today! |
| 15:59.10 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:59.15 | timinator | nice |
| 15:59.24 | timinator | keep that kind of info to youself man |
| 15:59.30 | timinator | sheesh |
| 15:59.41 | mindjuju | mgeary, dataw0lf and fungus both know ip tables really well |
| 16:00.49 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 16:00.52 | mindjuju | what have you been up to influx^^ ? |
| 16:01.06 | influx^^ | Just writing the markup for this site I've been working on. |
| 16:01.19 | influx^^ | The client's going on channel 5 at 11AM. |
| 16:01.27 | influx^^ | Or thereabout. |
| 16:01.37 | mindjuju | here in 2 hours? |
| 16:01.46 | influx^^ | Yeah. |
| 16:01.48 | influx^^ | KSL. |
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| 16:01.55 | mindjuju | are you almost done? |
| 16:01.57 | influx^^ | Yeah. |
| 16:02.23 | influx^^ | I just need to make a change or two and upload. It'll be refined over the next week or two, but he'd like to have something up before the show. |
| 16:02.24 | mindjuju | coolio! good luck! |
| 16:02.27 | influx^^ | Danke. |
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| 16:03.21 | influx^^ | What are you up to, mindjuju? |
| 16:03.44 | mindjuju | i've launched out several apps recently, so today i'm going to start to refactor |
| 16:04.54 | influx^^ | Refactor? |
| 16:07.33 | mindjuju | after an app rolls, if you walk a way for a while then come back, you can find things that can be done better |
| 16:07.44 | mindjuju | update SQL queries so that they are more efficent |
| 16:08.28 | mindjuju | helps your code to remain peppy |
| 16:12.13 | influx^^ | Oh, ya. Of course. |
| 16:12.43 | influx^^ | I look back at a site a week or two after I'm done with it and think, "dadgummit. there's this and this and *this* that need changing." |
| 16:13.02 | influx^^ | So, similar. |
| 16:13.04 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 16:13.46 | mindjuju | yup, that's exactly what refactoring is |
| 16:15.36 | influx^^ | It's fun though, because the initial work is done. |
| 16:15.47 | influx^^ | The base, I guess. |
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| 16:16.26 | influx^^ | Ja ja ja. |
| 16:16.57 | bigdog_ut | oh how i hate vista |
| 16:29.15 | mindjuju | no news there thebigdog |
| 16:29.30 | thebigdog | about? |
| 16:29.38 | mindjuju | gave it a test on a dual core with 4g of ram and what apps I could get to work on vista ran slow for me |
| 16:30.02 | mindjuju | didn't get to see aero cause my vid card was too old |
| 16:30.10 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:30.18 | thebigdog | let me put it this way |
| 16:30.29 | thebigdog | i crash the laptop monitor atleast 4-6x a day |
| 16:30.40 | thebigdog | how in h*** do you crash a laptop monitor |
| 16:30.47 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:31.11 | thebigdog | and how do you turn off all the security questions |
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| 16:31.20 | thebigdog | "are you sure you want to do that?" |
| 16:31.30 | mindjuju | i never made it that far |
| 16:32.03 | mindjuju | gave up at "only MS Office 2k7" works |
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| 16:32.26 | mindjuju | dreamweave doesn't work, scanner was too old, vid card too old |
| 16:32.43 | thebigdog | haha |
| 16:32.54 | thebigdog | mindjuju or anyone with printer experience |
| 16:33.10 | thebigdog | i have a guy that prints and it always adds another blank page |
| 16:33.15 | thebigdog | where can i go to fix that |
| 16:33.46 | mindjuju | have you tried printing to a different printer? sure it isn't just the rollers that need to be cleaned? |
| 16:33.58 | thebigdog | not sure |
| 16:34.02 | thebigdog | i have not looked at that printer |
| 16:34.46 | mindjuju | in all honesty, i'd check that first. print to a diff printer. |
| 16:35.07 | thebigdog | k |
| 16:35.19 | mindjuju | if it is the printer, just get you some denatured alcohol with no scents or coloring and a couple of q-tips |
| 16:36.12 | mindjuju | brb |
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| 16:51.19 | olds | genesisam.partner_apps pa on pc.pc_id=paca.paca_pc_id < neither one of those is 'pa' |
| 16:51.27 | olds | wow |
| 16:51.30 | olds | I was scrolled up |
| 16:52.18 | olds | the downside of irssi... can't really tell when you're scrolled up |
| 16:52.24 | olds | except for timestamps |
| 16:54.57 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: have you tried updating the firmware on the printer? I had something similar on an HP printer and a firmware upgrade fixed the paper feeding issues |
| 16:55.17 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, i will check that...it is an hp so that might be the issue |
| 16:55.32 | thebigdog | and ill update the print driver on the box too |
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| 17:01.55 | thebigdog | i updated the drivers and got that all working now...ty Utah_Dave and mindjuju |
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| 18:16.02 | beandog | does everyone have the day off? |
| 18:16.36 | mindjuju | nope, many hands on deck today |
| 18:16.52 | mindjuju | how about you, you at work or just checking in from home? |
| 18:17.10 | olds | I'm at work |
| 18:17.19 | olds | no day off here |
| 18:17.31 | jsmith | I'm at work... |
| 18:26.58 | timinator | I'm having probs w/ my dang Comcast modem |
| 18:27.21 | timinator | got a guy coming out today |
| 18:27.28 | mindjuju | that sux! |
| 18:27.30 | timinator | but my connection keeps dropping off |
| 18:27.32 | timinator | ya, fo sho |
| 18:30.07 | timinator | I'm thinking of getting an iPhone..... rather, requesting one for my 30th birthday |
| 18:30.24 | timinator | would LOVE to have a net connection while out and about |
| 18:30.42 | timinator | don't like how the BlackBerry renders pages |
| 18:31.24 | mindjuju | that would be cool, though i hear the network the iphone uses can be slow |
| 18:31.30 | timinator | I love T-Mobile, and despise AT&T |
| 18:31.34 | timinator | ya |
| 18:31.47 | mindjuju | i'd love to get something, but personally, I can't see paying $60 a month to access the internet on a data plan |
| 18:32.28 | mindjuju | but for th emore mobile guys, i know they need it |
| 18:33.10 | timinator | I'm torn between using AT&T and hating it, not to mention not getting the nice plan I'm currently on...... or unlocking and running on T-Mobile, but not getting updates, possibly missing some features, and possibly being bricked sometime in the future |
| 18:33.37 | mindjuju | you know, i said that wrong. for my needs, i can't see paying $60, but i can see where others would need it |
| 18:33.50 | timinator | ya, I hear y |
| 18:33.53 | timinator | *ya |
| 18:34.29 | influx^^ | iPhone... |
| 18:34.31 | influx^^ | *drool* |
| 18:34.39 | mindjuju | though if i had the money, i'd prolly go the josephscott route and just get a pcmcia card with a data plan |
| 18:34.45 | mindjuju | and then just lug my laptop around |
| 18:35.03 | josephscott | must be talking evdo action |
| 18:35.08 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 18:35.37 | mindjuju | is evdo data plan the same as verizon? unlimited and $60 ? |
| 18:36.21 | josephscott | mine is with sprint, yeah, unlimited, $60/month |
| 18:37.06 | mindjuju | see, that's just the way to go. go to lunch and do what you need, commuting and do what you need, etc |
| 18:37.16 | mindjuju | does it have pretty good coverage? |
| 18:37.36 | josephscott | seems to be pretty good in Utah so far |
| 18:38.01 | josephscott | can't say that I've tried it a ton of places here, but every time that I have so far it gets good signal |
| 18:39.37 | mindjuju | as long as it is enough to VPN, that's all i need |
| 18:41.37 | jsmith | The Verizon plan isn't unlimited... even though it says it is |
| 18:41.49 | jsmith | My friend has had a lot of problems with his |
| 18:41.58 | jsmith | I'm on Sprint, and mine hasn't given me any problems |
| 18:42.00 | mindjuju | bummer! what is it capped at jsmith? |
| 18:42.05 | jsmith | mindjuju: They won't tell you |
| 18:42.11 | jsmith | mindjuju: They'll just cut you off |
| 18:42.35 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 18:51.18 | olds | I'm waiting for the 3G iphone |
| 18:51.21 | olds | then I'll get one |
| 19:08.02 | timinator | Comcast is here.... BRB |
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| 19:36.23 | influx^^ | Ha. |
| 19:37.00 | orsonj | so, now that the news has broke, what was the site you were doing? |
| 19:37.21 | influx^^ | urm: http://www.thehairguy.com/ |
| 19:38.09 | influx^^ | He just needed something up soon. |
| 19:38.09 | influx^^ | I'll definitely be making it baller in the next couple of weeks. |
| 19:38.40 | influx^^ | Going to clean up the html, use proper stuffs, etc. |
| 19:38.52 | influx^^ | Make the flash less ginormous. |
| 19:39.44 | mindjuju | one thing i've noticed on hair restoration is that it seems like they never shoot from the same angle twice |
| 19:39.58 | mindjuju | the before and after shoots are always from different angles |
| 19:40.00 | influx^^ | Yeah. |
| 19:40.08 | influx^^ | I want to shoot all future photo. |
| 19:40.10 | influx^^ | photos* |
| 19:40.27 | influx^^ | brb |
| 19:40.29 | influx^^ | w 2 |
| 19:40.39 | orsonj | If I were the first guy in the gallery, I would have shaved that strange tuff of hair off immediately. |
| 19:40.49 | mindjuju | yeah, no kidding |
| 19:41.44 | orsonj | it is possible to look good bald, but that isn't one of the ways. |
| 19:42.30 | orsonj | guy #2 for example, didn't look too bad bald. |
| 19:42.35 | mindjuju | influx^^ on the hairsolutions.html page -- > Europa Hair System®i; |
| 19:51.17 | influx^^ | Gah. Thanks, mindjuju. I thought I'd caught that. |
| 19:51.40 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:51.59 | influx^^ | It's actually ® |
| 19:51.59 | influx^^ | I think. |
| 19:53.30 | influx^^ | fixed |
| 19:53.37 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 19:53.39 | orsonj | ® would also work |
| 19:53.42 | influx^^ | Ah. |
| 19:53.53 | influx^^ | That's what I was shooting for, but I was going off of faulty memory. |
| 19:54.33 | influx^^ | Time to buy art supplies. Bbl. pm any more booboos on the site? :D |
| 20:02.30 | mindjuju | ~VBBB |
| 20:02.36 | orsonj | ah, nickel. thought that looked funny |
| 20:02.47 | mindjuju | ~dict VBBB |
| 20:02.47 | orsonj | VisiBone Browser Book |
| 20:02.52 | mindjuju | ah |
| 20:02.57 | mindjuju | yeah, that book is awesome |
| 20:03.00 | mindjuju | have one meself |
| 20:03.14 | orsonj | got it with the group purchase |
| 20:03.32 | mindjuju | yeah, me too |
| 20:03.42 | mindjuju | was just thinking we should get macnewbold to run that again! |
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| 20:04.03 | orsonj | do they have updated stiff with IE7? |
| 20:04.10 | orsonj | s/stiff/stuff/ |
| 20:04.38 | mindjuju | oh, i'm not sure if they do |
| 20:11.42 | orsonj | what's a good way to download a page from within php? (ex. like wget only store the result in a variable) |
| 20:11.50 | mgeary | curl |
| 20:12.18 | orsonj | sounds right, couldn't think of the name. |
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| 20:38.31 | timinator | back.... after a new router install from Comcast |
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| 20:43.16 | timinator | it's pretty bad when the Comcast guy sticks around cause he's learning new stuff about his own router, by looking over your shoulder |
| 20:43.19 | timinator | :) |
| 20:44.45 | mindjuju | that is crazy |
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| 20:45.14 | wps | no kidding |
| 20:45.20 | wps | drives me crazy when you know more than tech support |
| 20:45.27 | timinator | ya, fo sho |
| 20:46.51 | beandog | timinator, maybe he just thought you were sexy hawt |
| 20:47.12 | timinator | it wouldn't be the first time |
| 20:47.14 | timinator | :/ |
| 20:48.02 | timinator | <dumb_blonde> So, what's DNS again?!? </dumb_blonde> |
| 20:48.20 | mindjuju | surely the repair guy didn't ask that, did he? |
| 20:48.58 | timinator | no kidding mindjuju.... he didn't understand DNS |
| 20:49.08 | timinator | among other things |
| 20:49.11 | olds | not surprising |
| 20:49.15 | timinator | he was just an install guy though |
| 20:49.44 | timinator | so, to his credit.... he's not a network guy |
| 20:50.06 | timinator | probably gets a skid of modems /mo..... and simply does plug and play installs all day |
| 20:50.48 | timinator | things are preconfigured for DHCP and stuff |
| 20:51.13 | influx^^ | It finally clinks! |
| 21:07.23 | orsonj | 989 nickels to go! |
| 21:23.55 | influx^^ | :D |
| 22:11.49 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 22:11.49 | jbot | beats the living hamstercrap out of optikal |
| 22:14.40 | mindjuju | poor optikal |
| 22:17.30 | orsonj | ~give optikal a cookie |
| 22:17.31 | jbot | ACTION gives optikal a home-baked chocolate chip cookie to cheer him up. |
| 23:01.00 | mindjuju | mgeary - did you find answers on IP tables? |
| 23:03.28 | mgeary | heya |
| 23:03.31 | mgeary | yeah, pretty much |
| 23:04.33 | mindjuju | k, wasn't sure if you saw my answer, but if i recall correctly, dataw0lf and fungus both do ip tables |
| 23:07.15 | mindjuju | in fact, dataw0lf gave an awesome presentation on port knocking that I thought was uber cool |
| 23:07.50 | mgeary | cool |
| 23:23.38 | mgeary | Midnight Oil++++ |
| 23:24.03 | mindjuju | and customizing a MediaWiki install |
| 23:24.22 | fungus | MediaWiki++ |
| 23:24.42 | mindjuju | you know, i really like mediawiki |
| 23:27.37 | mgeary | i had a huge problem with it and spam comments a few years ago |
| 23:27.41 | mgeary | so i scrapped it |
| 23:27.46 | mgeary | i'm sure it's better now |
| 23:28.56 | mindjuju | fortunately, its for internal use only, clamped down pretty tight |
| 23:58.27 | *** part/#uphpu brasto (n=Owner@71-219-135-132.slkc.qwest.net) |