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| 00:09.58 | swb | hi, sry, my internet connection seemed to have hiccuped |
| 00:11.03 | swb | wps, I agree, need more info |
| 00:11.09 | swb | thanks for taking a look |
| 00:15.50 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 00:32.07 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | How would one go about dpulling a value from a dynamicly created variable name. Here's something I tryed but it's not working: eval("\$image_title = \$equipment_title_" . "\$i"); |
| 00:34.03 | dataw0lf | $dyna_var = 'equipment_title_'.$i; echo(${$dyna_var}); |
| 00:34.49 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | nice thanx. |
| 00:35.07 | dataw0lf | np |
| 00:35.20 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | so how do I do that without and echo? |
| 00:35.59 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | I just want to set $image_title = $equipment_title . $i ($equipment_title_1 is a variable) |
| 00:36.24 | dataw0lf | $image_title = ${$dyna_var}; |
| 00:36.30 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | oh I c. |
| 00:36.44 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | thanx man. |
| 00:38.09 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 01:21.24 | PoeticIntensity | yo macnewbold... you around? |
| 01:21.49 | macnewbold | PoeticIntensity: yep, sup? |
| 01:21.57 | PoeticIntensity | mind if I PM ya? |
| 01:22.00 | macnewbold | not at all |
| 01:25.39 | mindjuju | k, gents, i've got 6:26 in the PM, it's valentines day, so when I leave, everybody else should be leaving too |
| 01:25.44 | mindjuju | that's in about 25 minutes |
| 01:38.31 | beandog | mindjuju, happy v-day |
| 01:38.33 | beandog | v for victory |
| 01:39.07 | mindjuju | happy v day beandog |
| 01:39.19 | mindjuju | ~jbot give beandog a valentine |
| 01:39.19 | jbot | ACTION gives a valentine to beandog |
| 01:39.25 | beandog | aww |
| 01:39.29 | beandog | <3 |
| 01:51.39 | mindjuju | k, gents, cya ! |
| 01:51.42 | orsonj | later |
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| 15:29.37 | brasto | i just installed an rx1500 pci express video card on my 64 bit opensuse-driven machine. I also installed 2 SATA drives, so i want to reinstall the OS. However, when I boot to the mini internet install cd, I get a blank screen after it loads the kernel. The cd passes the media check, and the iso file i burned it from passes the md5sum check. Any ideas on how i need to proceed from here? |
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| 15:37.15 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:37.29 | herlo | brasto: try doing a text install? |
| 15:42.23 | timinator | ping: thebigdog |
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| 15:57.46 | mindjuju | brasto, PM sent |
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| 16:06.47 | timinator | mornin' bigdog |
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| 16:07.01 | bigdog_ut | top the morning |
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| 16:34.50 | jgiboney | So what can you tell me about viart? |
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| 16:45.37 | mgeary | so, thebigdog, i've got Eclipse running. Not finding the plugin manager. Where do i look? |
| 16:48.18 | SunSparc | What plugin? |
| 16:49.34 | mgeary | i'm under the impression there's a general plugin manager, where you can manage all plugins |
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| 16:50.04 | jsmith | mgeary: I think it's under the "Help" menu, if I remember correctly |
| 16:50.13 | jsmith | (please don't make me fire up Eclipse and find it for you) |
| 16:50.18 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 16:50.24 | SunSparc | Yep, it is in Help |
| 16:50.38 | mgeary | gotcha |
| 16:50.40 | mgeary | i see 'er |
| 16:50.44 | mindjuju | why, does eclipse sux? i was thinking of testing it when i had a chance |
| 16:51.11 | jsmith | Naw, it's just written in Java, and since the whole Iced Tea stack doesn't work well on PPC yet... |
| 16:51.13 | mindjuju | really? hmm |
| 16:51.32 | jsmith | ... and since I'm not a big fan of Java in the first place ... |
| 16:51.39 | jsmith | ... you get the idea |
| 16:51.57 | mgeary | i can confirm that it's a dog on PPC. giving it a try on MacIntel now, just for giggles |
| 16:52.01 | thebigdog | mgeary, one sec |
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| 16:53.15 | jsmith | Actually, it's running great (and fairly speedy) on Fedora 8 on x86_64 |
| 16:53.15 | mgeary | thebigdog: found it |
| 16:53.19 | mgeary | with jsmith's help |
| 16:53.25 | jsmith | It's just PPC that needs some help |
| 17:01.07 | mgeary | hey, jsmith |
| 17:16.06 | mgeary | well, that's 2 crashes with the PDT plugin in less than 10 minutes, so Eclipse isn't scoring well |
| 17:19.04 | SunSparc | Array question for anyone: http://pastebin.com/m770f5a3 |
| 17:19.37 | SunSparc | Why does the resulting dump of $array1 only contain the values from $array2? |
| 17:19.55 | thebigdog | ok mgeary did you need some help |
| 17:20.23 | mgeary | naw, just trying to create a PHP project, and Eclipse keeps crashing |
| 17:20.57 | mgeary | SunSparc: do you get the same results with array_merge? |
| 17:21.35 | thebigdog | what does it say when it crashes |
| 17:21.43 | SunSparc | mgeary: No, it works with array_merge |
| 17:21.49 | SunSparc | That is what I don't get |
| 17:22.07 | dataw0lf | uh because PHP doesn't overload operators correctly or sometimes at all? |
| 17:22.19 | mgeary | thebigdog: didn't check the crashlog. i will next time it happens |
| 17:22.27 | mgeary | might be that the + overloading only works as expected with an associative array...? |
| 17:22.36 | mgeary | dunno |
| 17:22.40 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 17:22.54 | SunSparc | Ok, thanks mgeary and dataw0lf. |
| 17:24.12 | cycokilr | yeah dataw0lf, thanks.. |
| 17:24.26 | cycokilr | you're my hero dataw0lf |
| 17:25.11 | cycokilr | do you pronounce your name like day-taw0lf? |
| 17:26.28 | wps | no pronunciation, cycokilr, IRC is text-based only |
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| 17:29.58 | dataw0lf | everybody just calls me "dee dub" in real life. |
| 17:30.19 | timinator_ | we have a "G-Dub" in this office |
| 17:32.34 | _psychic_ | I hope the House passes the spying bill soon so we can all be safe from dying in horrible ways as King Bush has outlined. |
| 17:33.02 | dataw0lf | well, what's funny |
| 17:33.12 | dataw0lf | he said "if the bill isn't passed, Americans will die" |
| 17:33.22 | dataw0lf | but then he says he'll veto the bill if the telecom stuff isn't in it. |
| 17:33.35 | _psychic_ | did you see Olberman? |
| 17:33.39 | dataw0lf | Doesn't this mean, accordingly, that Bush is putting the interests of the telecoms before the people? |
| 17:33.40 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 17:33.41 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 17:33.43 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 17:33.51 | _psychic_ | It was well said. |
| 17:33.54 | dataw0lf | yea it was. |
| 17:34.05 | thebigdog | i just want a t3 to my house |
| 17:34.06 | thebigdog | that is all i want...for cheap |
| 17:34.08 | dataw0lf | He burned the HELL out of Bush and Co. And I use the word Hell justifiably. |
| 17:34.30 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: naw there's plenty of hell still left |
| 17:34.39 | dataw0lf | an eternity, in fact. |
| 17:34.44 | dataw0lf | waiting for good ole G.W. |
| 17:35.25 | dataw0lf | and McCain too, now that he completely flip flopped on torture. |
| 17:35.38 | dataw0lf | wps: you can turn images off.. |
| 17:35.44 | wps | I do more than that |
| 17:35.58 | wps | I convert all incoming mail to plain text |
| 17:36.09 | wps | but the three stupid images still arrive as attachments |
| 17:36.19 | wps | it's annoying when someone actually does send me an attachemnt |
| 17:36.34 | wps | because then I have to pick the real attachment out of the others |
| 17:36.47 | cycokilr | you want me to send you an attachment? |
| 17:36.53 | wps | NO! |
| 17:37.15 | wps | :) |
| 17:37.17 | brasto | ~give wps a dozen emails with several attachments each |
| 17:37.17 | jbot | ACTION gives a dozen emails with several attachments each to wps |
| 17:37.17 | cycokilr | yeah i'm with you man.. i use evolution (with our exchange server) and force everything to text too.. |
| 17:37.27 | mindjuju | cycokilr - you should send an MS themed email with tons of extra HTML and a big juicy HTML signature bar |
| 17:37.46 | wps | receiving HTML email is bad enough, but images in your signature? |
| 17:37.51 | wps | sheeeesh |
| 17:37.52 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: no idea how someone who has been tortured would actually vote *for* torture |
| 17:37.52 | cycokilr | mindjuju: oh man, that's so against my belief system it would probably kill me just to send it.. |
| 17:38.11 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: political tradeoff |
| 17:38.40 | cycokilr | yeah everyone here at work has images in their sigs... |
| 17:38.46 | cycokilr | except me that is.. |
| 17:39.07 | dataw0lf | it's no surprise that the day after he votes for waterboarding (after years of saying it was inhumane and MUST be stopped), he gets Romney's and other republicans go ahead. |
| 17:39.07 | cycokilr | haha, even optikal has an image in his.. |
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| 17:39.25 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: even then. It's mind boggling to have endured something like that, then think it's justifiable later on. |
| 17:39.49 | dataw0lf | well I don't think he thinks it's justifiable, I think he's a political worm who's selling his values to obtain political position. |
| 17:40.12 | dataw0lf | I didn't really mind McCain all that much until he did that. |
| 17:41.19 | dataw0lf | the GOP is strangely positioning itself to make the war and terrorism and torture the prime argument at the general election. |
| 17:41.24 | dataw0lf | they think they'll do strong |
| 17:41.29 | dataw0lf | maybe got a card up their sleeve |
| 17:41.32 | dataw0lf | (bin Laden?) |
| 17:42.01 | _psychic_ | yuck |
| 17:42.10 | _psychic_ | that's what bothered me about Romney's endorsement |
| 17:42.12 | brasto | wps, is Omniture still looking for webmasters and system admins? i asked rsimkins about the sys admin in #utah, but i think he's away from his desk. |
| 17:42.42 | _psychic_ | They had this big tissy fit on national TV during that last debate about how much better he was than McCain, and how conservative is he was in comparison.... |
| 17:42.47 | _psychic_ | then the next week he endorses him. :/ |
| 17:42.54 | mgeary | hey, speaking of job openings... who was it here who works at Doba? |
| 17:43.07 | mindjuju | kingsol - what part of omniture do you work at? |
| 17:43.48 | mgeary | totally |
| 17:43.50 | herlo | brasto: I think they are *always* hiring |
| 17:44.04 | herlo | brasto: Guru Labs is hiring too, you know |
| 17:44.11 | herlo | tell them I sent you :) |
| 17:44.22 | brasto | good to know herlo |
| 17:44.36 | herlo | brasto: hehe |
| 17:48.25 | timinator | *yawn |
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| 17:58.21 | dataw0lf | y'know what's interesting? McKinnon, a friend and consultant to McCain, said he'd stop working for McCain if Barack got the nomination |
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| 18:00.53 | PoeticIntensity | welcome, swb... |
| 18:01.13 | swb | hello |
| 18:02.44 | herlo | dataw0lf: why' |
| 18:02.46 | herlo | s that? |
| 18:02.51 | herlo | swb: morning |
| 18:03.13 | dataw0lf | herlo: he's said that he wouldn't feel right attacking Obama, he likes him too much. |
| 18:03.16 | cycokilr | has anyone in here had experience with any ids systems? |
| 18:03.23 | dataw0lf | cycokilr: Yes. |
| 18:03.36 | cycokilr | yeah i kinda figured you did dataw0lf |
| 18:03.41 | cycokilr | which one(s)? |
| 18:04.21 | dataw0lf | Snort, RealSecure, Cisco IDS |
| 18:04.27 | cycokilr | hmm.. |
| 18:04.38 | cycokilr | we're shopping these days for something.. |
| 18:04.44 | cycokilr | yeah i like snort too.. |
| 18:04.50 | dataw0lf | Snort's cheaper to maintain and scales well. |
| 18:04.56 | cycokilr | true.. |
| 18:05.04 | cycokilr | are there any good host plugins for snort? |
| 18:05.11 | cycokilr | for host-based checking? |
| 18:05.12 | dataw0lf | if you're primarily a Cisco shop, Cisco IDS can be fun though |
| 18:05.23 | cycokilr | we do have a lot of cisco gear.. |
| 18:05.27 | cycokilr | well, all cisco actually.. |
| 18:06.44 | dataw0lf | well, for host-based IDS stuff, you usually want to go custom |
| 18:06.50 | cycokilr | i've been kinda looking at this one called OSSEC that looks kinda neato.. it's a host-based one.. |
| 18:06.57 | cycokilr | http://www.ossec.net/ |
| 18:07.03 | dataw0lf | yea, I've seen OSSEC |
| 18:07.23 | dataw0lf | never used it, it might be good |
| 18:07.31 | dataw0lf | I just like completely granular control for HIDS systems. |
| 18:07.59 | cycokilr | hmm.. interesting.. |
| 18:07.59 | herlo | dataw0lf: hehe, nice |
| 18:08.04 | cycokilr | i'm totally leaning away from commercial ones really.. for the cost.. |
| 18:08.16 | dataw0lf | a good way to do that is if you setup a honeypot and then base HIDS decisions on that |
| 18:08.20 | cycokilr | i think there are better places to spend the money with all the free ones out there.. |
| 18:08.27 | dataw0lf | let your HIDS systems evolve from honeypot activity. |
| 18:08.34 | cycokilr | nice.. |
| 18:08.42 | dataw0lf | yea, commercial HIDS systems rarely can offer you everything |
| 18:08.46 | dataw0lf | I mean hosts are always so different, y'know? |
| 18:08.53 | cycokilr | yep. |
| 18:08.57 | dataw0lf | what may be a red flag for intrusion on one system is normal operations on another |
| 18:09.11 | cycokilr | yeah especially with some of our servers here.. |
| 18:09.16 | dataw0lf | so even with commercial HIDS systems, a correct configuration takes a lot of man hours anyways. |
| 18:10.29 | PoeticIntensity | ~hids |
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| 18:11.05 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: host-based intrusion detection system |
| 18:11.11 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 18:11.13 | PoeticIntensity | just googled it. |
| 18:12.01 | herlo | jbot: hids is host-based intrusion detection system |
| 18:12.01 | jbot | okay, herlo |
| 18:12.06 | herlo | ~hids |
| 18:12.07 | jbot | somebody said hids was host-based intrusion detection system |
| 18:13.04 | dataw0lf | heh, so I had one of the secretaries pick up this shower panelling at Home Depot |
| 18:13.12 | dataw0lf | 10x5 |
| 18:13.18 | dataw0lf | y'know what those are good for? |
| 18:13.20 | dataw0lf | whiteboards :) |
| 18:13.36 | dataw0lf | 15 dollars for another gigantic whiteboard in my office. woot. |
| 18:13.36 | cycokilr | yes sir they are.. |
| 18:27.14 | cycokilr | hey does anyone know much about the sourcefire side of things? like isn't it built on snort? and could you use snort plugins and whatever with it? |
| 18:28.31 | cycokilr | oh yeah nevermind.. found the info.. |
| 18:34.48 | brasto | herlo, mgeary, and anyone i have the first draft of my new resume here: |
| 18:34.54 | brasto | http://res.mscis.org |
| 18:35.24 | SunSparc | "Protable"? |
| 18:35.52 | SunSparc | Is that a new format? |
| 18:36.33 | brasto | good find SunSparc, i'll fix that :) |
| 18:36.38 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:36.50 | brasto | it's even emphasized since it's in the link... |
| 18:37.06 | SunSparc | yep |
| 18:37.52 | brasto | wps - the line about pdf not being 'Acrobat' format is just for you ;) |
| 18:38.06 | wps | where? |
| 18:38.15 | brasto | http://res.mscis.org/ |
| 18:38.42 | brasto | Later, I'll probably make that page look like a cover letter, but now it's just an intro paragraph to my resume |
| 18:39.02 | wps | WHAT?!??! |
| 18:39.10 | wps | linux networx is out of business?? |
| 18:39.22 | brasto | SunSparc: good thing i didn't also say 'my protfolio' |
| 18:39.28 | brasto | yep |
| 18:39.34 | jsmith | When'd that happen? |
| 18:39.39 | wps | how sad |
| 18:39.43 | wps | dang |
| 18:39.46 | SunSparc | brasto: hehe |
| 18:39.51 | wps | they were such a cool company |
| 18:39.51 | brasto | yesterday - it was my Valentines present |
| 18:40.06 | wps | yes, brasto, I love how you worded it :) |
| 18:40.55 | brasto | tx, wps. is Omniture still looking for Web Admins? |
| 18:41.00 | brasto | or Sys Admins? |
| 18:41.01 | wps | yes |
| 18:41.05 | wps | well… not a web admin |
| 18:41.15 | wps | my team is looking for a web application engineer |
| 18:41.29 | brasto | ah, ok.. in php? |
| 18:41.33 | wps | yes |
| 18:41.48 | wps | http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu-jobs/2007-December/000149.html |
| 18:41.52 | wps | interested? |
| 18:41.56 | wps | you could come in for an interview today |
| 18:42.02 | brasto | mgeary, let me know if you have suggestions on that resume. |
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| 18:43.35 | brasto | wps, yes i'm interested |
| 18:44.01 | wps | k… let me hand your resumé to my boss |
| 18:45.04 | brasto | thank you wps - how do you put the accentuated 'e' in resume? |
| 18:45.22 | wps | on a Mac, you type opt + e, e |
| 18:46.18 | mgeary | ;) |
| 18:52.20 | brasto | wait... this isn't the right treeline: http://www.treelineusa.com/ , right mgeary? |
| 18:53.37 | dataw0lf | brasto: treelinegroup.com |
| 18:54.52 | brasto | tx dataw0lf |
| 18:59.22 | beandog | I need some drugs. |
| 19:00.24 | dataw0lf | !! |
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| 19:13.36 | swb | brasto, Myriad is also hiring, Webmaster position |
| 19:13.40 | swb | http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu-jobs/2008-February/000164.html |
| 19:14.05 | brasto | swb, funny, i was just about to ask how to spell your first name... sherri or sherry? |
| 19:14.12 | swb | Sheri |
| 19:14.14 | brasto | i think it's with the 'i |
| 19:14.15 | brasto | ' |
| 19:14.24 | brasto | ah, and only one r... |
| 19:14.28 | brasto | ok |
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| 19:23.24 | PoeticIntensity | yo beandog, did you get my email? |
| 19:23.42 | mindjuju | no, but i did! |
| 19:23.47 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... awesome! |
| 19:24.28 | PoeticIntensity | so, dang, mindjuju .... |
| 19:24.33 | PoeticIntensity | you haxxxx0r |
| 19:28.59 | mgeary | ohhhh |
| 19:29.35 | mindjuju | i love the alan parson project, especially Games people play |
| 19:30.15 | wps | I love free lunch |
| 19:30.18 | mindjuju | bummer, i guess no Austin Powers fans |
| 19:30.22 | wps | not much better in this world than free lunch |
| 19:30.35 | mindjuju | wps, i miss the corporate environ |
| 19:30.46 | mindjuju | eBay wasn't quite as cool as omniture |
| 19:30.55 | wps | omniture buys lunch more than any company I have worked for |
| 19:30.57 | wps | they buy a lot of food |
| 19:31.14 | mindjuju | just seeing the subsidized snack machines and stuff |
| 19:31.24 | mindjuju | sounds like work hard; play hard |
| 19:31.27 | mindjuju | my kind of work place |
| 19:33.25 | mgeary | psh. |
| 19:33.32 | mgeary | microbusiness is where it's at |
| 19:33.42 | mgeary | < 10 employees :) |
| 19:33.51 | mindjuju | i could see how that could be fun |
| 19:33.59 | _psychic_ | I like 20 or so |
| 19:34.03 | mindjuju | close knit group |
| 19:34.17 | _psychic_ | easy to make things happen |
| 19:34.19 | _psychic_ | easy to make a difference |
| 19:34.24 | mindjuju | but wps has xbox 360 on projectors |
| 19:34.28 | mindjuju | and there are 4 of them |
| 19:34.58 | mindjuju | can you imagine cranking out some serious kick butt app, then going to kick some halo butt? |
| 19:35.34 | PoeticIntensity | that would be veritably freaking awesome. |
| 19:35.47 | dataw0lf | well, veritably freaking awesome for me, since I'd win |
| 19:35.50 | PoeticIntensity | although I don't play Halo. :-| |
| 19:36.08 | PoeticIntensity | I was just gonna retort "but you live in Reno"... |
| 19:36.10 | PoeticIntensity | however... |
| 19:36.11 | mindjuju | well, they had guitar hero setup too when i was there for PLUG |
| 19:36.17 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 19:36.21 | PoeticIntensity | oh man.... |
| 19:36.38 | PoeticIntensity | I could see myself getting seriously addicted to that game. |
| 19:36.42 | PoeticIntensity | I've played it once. |
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| 19:36.57 | dataw0lf | I'm not going to be in utah until May, or I'd apply to Omniture, sounds like a fun place. |
| 19:37.19 | mindjuju | the HR lady talking at PLUG was saying the whole company does Halloween well |
| 19:37.35 | mgeary | yeah, Omniture's halloween bash is legendary |
| 19:37.37 | mgeary | even i've heard of it |
| 19:37.42 | mindjuju | eBay does Halloween good with all cubes dessed up, but sounds like Omnitures takes it |
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| 20:02.27 | mgeary | jbot: you awake? |
| 20:04.45 | mindjuju | SCO brought back from dead? - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120301098306668879.html |
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| 20:05.23 | burnin | more likely that an exit route has been developed for those at greatest risk of financial responsibility for the scam. |
| 20:06.04 | burnin | buy the company for $5 million, eject the CEO, and provide a $95 million dollar line of credit at 17% interest to pay off judgements brought by Novell, IBM, and Red Hat. |
| 20:06.45 | burnin | I suspect they want to wrap up the lawsuits rapidly and cleanly, and simply vanish. |
| 20:07.19 | mindjuju | hmmm, i think WSJ may be saying something different - |
| 20:07.20 | mindjuju | The move gives Stephen Norris, whose namesake founder was a co-founder of private equity giant The Carlyle Group, a controlling interest in SCO, which now has a platform to continue its court battle with Novell Inc. over royalties from the Unix server operating system, SCO's main business. |
| 20:08.09 | burnin | heh, PR, the actual documents filed with the court are more revealing that the parroting of the PR |
| 20:08.44 | burnin | SCO also said at one time there was no need for a constructive trust to protect Novell's cash as they were not going bankrupt, and they then quickly turned around and filed for bankruptcy. lol |
| 20:09.07 | burnin | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS9111132755.html |
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| 20:11.07 | burnin | http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_8267122 |
| 20:11.23 | burnin | "Besides the immediate infusion of $5 million if the bankruptcy court approves, Stephen Norris also is extending a five-year credit line of $95 million, with interest of 17 percent plus the rate that banks charge each other for loans." |
| 20:11.35 | burnin | that is going to be one expensive line of credit. |
| 20:11.57 | thebigdog | im surprised they are doing it |
| 20:12.07 | thebigdog | i wonder what else they have in the works with sco |
| 20:13.04 | burnin | heh, if some of the rumors running around are true it really isn't surprising, its the end game paid for by one of the early on investors in the scam. |
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| 20:22.44 | thebigdog | question for everyone |
| 20:24.06 | thebigdog | anyone using a CC verfication 3rd party that assumes risk with verifing if the CC is not fraudulent |
| 20:24.30 | thebigdog | paily is one that i was using...but paypal bought them and im not sure paypal will offer that service |
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| 20:28.59 | beandog | come now, thebigdog |
| 20:29.05 | beandog | pay pal is the model of trust and efficiency. |
| 20:29.27 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:30.21 | thebigdog | stupid paypal |
| 20:30.44 | thebigdog | actually im glad they did...the product they purchased is awesome |
| 20:32.07 | inkynoob | I have a table of notes about customer leads. I want to select the most recent note for each customer. There is a customer id field, a timestamp field and a varchar with the note. This seems like it should be a simple problem, but I can't quite get it. I'm trying to use GROUP BY, does that sound right |
| 20:32.08 | inkynoob | ? |
| 20:32.50 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:32.54 | mgeary | groupwise max |
| 20:33.02 | mgeary | you need a subselect, i believe |
| 20:33.46 | mgeary | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/example-maximum-column-group-row.html |
| 20:33.52 | inkynoob | The subselect would have a DISTINCT on the customer id maybe? |
| 20:34.02 | mgeary | check the link |
| 20:34.03 | inkynoob | ah, thanks |
| 20:34.05 | mgeary | it's a good technique |
| 20:35.55 | inkynoob | Thanks mgeary, that looks like what I was searching for. |
| 20:35.59 | mgeary | yep |
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| 20:39.10 | thebigdog | select * from table where customer = cid order by timestamp desc |
| 20:39.24 | mgeary | that's for one customer |
| 20:39.27 | mgeary | he wants it for each |
| 20:39.35 | thebigdog | oh |
| 20:39.40 | mgeary | groupwise max |
| 20:39.45 | thebigdog | select * from table where customer = cid group by cid order by timestamp desc |
| 20:39.53 | mgeary | nope |
| 20:40.09 | thebigdog | that would work |
| 20:40.12 | mgeary | that doesn't guarantee that you'll get the latest order, all that will do is sort the results |
| 20:40.19 | mgeary | the sort is done *after* the group by |
| 20:40.44 | thebigdog | your example is doing a max |
| 20:41.04 | mgeary | right, that's how you guarantee the right order per client |
| 20:41.24 | thebigdog | with a max? |
| 20:41.30 | mgeary | in the subselect |
| 20:41.55 | thebigdog | you really dont care about the customer id order |
| 20:42.10 | thebigdog | you just want them grouped |
| 20:42.28 | mgeary | are you looking at the 2nd example on that link? |
| 20:42.30 | mgeary | that's the useful one |
| 20:42.41 | mgeary | the 1st example isn't very |
| 20:42.56 | mgeary | i.e. you want to do the subquery in the join, not in the where |
| 20:43.40 | thebigdog | why would you need a subquery |
| 20:43.54 | inkynoob | yeah, that's the one |
| 20:44.09 | inkynoob | It's almost exactly what I'm doing |
| 20:44.25 | mgeary | you need a subquery because when you do a GROUP BY, you have no guarantee on WHICH row is actually taken as representative of the group |
| 20:44.53 | mgeary | any ordering you do will be done on the *results* of the group, it will not be done *before* the group |
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| 21:14.12 | Trevyn | Feedback on this concept? http://esourcehome.com/slider/ |
| 21:14.27 | Trevyn | Any one want to help me design/work on it? |
| 21:14.43 | Trevyn | The trick here is, I want to set an aspect ration for the red box. |
| 21:15.03 | Trevyn | So that the aspect ratio never changes for the red box, but you can slide it around the image |
| 21:16.55 | Trevyn | No takers ? |
| 21:17.06 | mgeary | nice |
| 21:19.05 | Trevyn | Thanks mgeary.. you want to help work on it? you think you would ever need to use it? |
| 21:19.16 | _psychic_ | red box doesn't move for me (FF Mac) |
| 21:19.29 | Trevyn | Yeah I know.. thats what needs to be worked on :) |
| 21:19.55 | Trevyn | Does my kid have big feet? She looks like it in that pic |
| 21:20.48 | _psychic_ | not to me |
| 21:20.55 | _psychic_ | maybe my kids have big feet too, though :) |
| 21:23.19 | Trevyn | Red box starting to move... |
| 21:23.50 | _psychic_ | it resizes horizontally when I use the upper slider |
| 21:23.57 | _psychic_ | What's this for? |
| 21:24.31 | Trevyn | Its for a kids book making website |
| 21:24.40 | Trevyn | I need to crop images to fint into a template |
| 21:24.46 | Trevyn | and the aspect ration is predetermined. |
| 21:25.28 | Trevyn | Box is moving :) |
| 21:26.22 | _psychic_ | yep - opposite direction on the vertical slider though |
| 21:26.28 | _psychic_ | dunno if that's intended |
| 21:26.31 | mgeary | Trevyn: it'd be cooler if you could drag the rect, rather than use sliders |
| 21:26.36 | _psychic_ | this'd be a good candidate for Flash too |
| 21:26.39 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:26.40 | jsmith | mgeary: I agree... |
| 21:26.43 | SunSparc | I agree with mgeary |
| 21:26.44 | jsmith | _psychic_: I disagree |
| 21:26.48 | _psychic_ | mgeary: then you'd have to add some handles for resizing |
| 21:26.57 | dataw0lf | I agree with everything jsmith just said |
| 21:26.58 | dataw0lf | ... |
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| 21:27.04 | _psychic_ | I use what works best |
| 21:27.11 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Who are you and what have you done with dataw0lf? |
| 21:27.15 | SunSparc | Flash, when used properly, is a very good tool. |
| 21:27.41 | jsmith | SunSparc: Flash, when used properly, still doesn't work well in a heterogeneous environment |
| 21:28.11 | _psychic_ | jsmith: heterogeneous? |
| 21:28.14 | SunSparc | jsmith: what is in your heterogeneous mix that is not working? |
| 21:28.53 | jsmith | SunSparc: Linux on a PPC Powerbook, for example |
| 21:29.22 | SunSparc | Linux people use GUI's? |
| 21:29.27 | jsmith | That's just one small example |
| 21:29.33 | _psychic_ | emphasis on small |
| 21:29.35 | jsmith | (just happens to be the one that irritates me the most) |
| 21:29.44 | jsmith | How about people on x86_64 platforms? |
| 21:29.51 | _psychic_ | not going with the better UI just cause 0.2% of the base is on linux is not always a good idea |
| 21:30.03 | jsmith | I didn't say it was |
| 21:30.05 | unum | we have to display videos online. I always fight to use flash |
| 21:30.44 | jsmith | _psychic_: What I said and what you're *implying* I said are slightly (but importantly) different |
| 21:30.55 | Trevyn | Red box is moving.. |
| 21:30.56 | Trevyn | Killer. |
| 21:31.25 | cycokilr | so then who came up with flash being a "better UI"? |
| 21:31.26 | _psychic_ | jsmith: explain. |
| 21:31.31 | cycokilr | sounds like a matter of opinion.. |
| 21:31.37 | _psychic_ | depends on the case. |
| 21:31.52 | cycokilr | i like tcl/tk uis but most people probably wouldn't. |
| 21:32.05 | _psychic_ | I'm just saying if a certain function needs something really flexible or performance heavy - flash isn't a bad choice. |
| 21:32.15 | Trevyn | Flash is proprietary |
| 21:32.16 | _psychic_ | I'm talking web-based stuff. |
| 21:32.17 | jsmith | _psychic_: I'm not saying "Nobody should use Flash because there's a small (vocal) minority that can't use it." |
| 21:32.30 | _psychic_ | Trevyn: I don't think that's a show stopper. |
| 21:32.32 | Trevyn | I dont like flash becuase I dont really liek web based compiled code. |
| 21:33.19 | jsmith | _psychic_: I'm simply saying that "Flash doesn't always work well if used across a large variety of operating systems, versions, architectures, etc." |
| 21:33.49 | _psychic_ | jsmith: I'm saying that most of the time it does. Flash penetration is pretty high. |
| 21:33.50 | cycokilr | flash browser plugins are actively developed for linux though.. |
| 21:34.05 | _psychic_ | jsmith: if you're doing something for some smaller user base it might change |
| 21:34.41 | _psychic_ | but since Flash is so ubiquitous, I don't see it often being a problem. |
| 21:35.19 | jsmith | cycokilr: Yeah, and a majority of Flash code doesn't work the same on them as it does for the Adobe Flash player on Windows. |
| 21:35.31 | jsmith | cycokilr: Even on OS X I get different results than on Windows |
| 21:35.48 | cycokilr | interesting.. i haven't noticed much of a difference.. |
| 21:35.54 | _psychic_ | neither have I |
| 21:35.55 | cycokilr | but then i don't use windows hardly at all.. |
| 21:35.58 | _psychic_ | performance, maybe |
| 21:36.11 | cycokilr | in fact i can't remember the last time i saw flash content in ie.. |
| 21:36.12 | _psychic_ | you're taking same player version? |
| 21:36.18 | _psychic_ | *talking |
| 21:36.57 | jsmith | _psychic_: Not necessarily. Flash penetration is fairly high, but the penetration of the latest version isn't quite so spectacular. |
| 21:37.10 | jsmith | Anyway, I'm not trying to start a flash flamewar. Flash is what it is. |
| 21:37.20 | jsmith | I'm just saying it's not my cup of tea... YMMV |
| 21:37.30 | Trevyn | Its working for those of you who care :) |
| 21:37.43 | _psychic_ | I think there's an established case for using it in large audience for rich interfaces. |
| 21:37.54 | Trevyn | True, |
| 21:38.11 | Trevyn | I would rather be a good JS programmer than a AS programmer. |
| 21:38.13 | cycokilr | i think it's great for games.. |
| 21:38.22 | Trevyn | Vested interest means alot for me |
| 21:38.23 | cycokilr | other than that i keep the flashblock turned on.. |
| 21:40.01 | mgeary | good AS programers are worth their weight in gold right now |
| 21:41.28 | Trevyn | $$ doesnt curve my appetite. |
| 21:41.41 | Trevyn | Drug dealers make good money too :) |
| 21:42.01 | Trevyn | word. |
| 21:42.17 | dataw0lf | well, not many drug dealers make good money, but right. |
| 21:42.50 | herlo | ~smoke dataw0lf |
| 21:42.50 | jbot | ACTION rolls up dataw0lf, lights a match, kicks back and enjoys the noxious fumes |
| 21:43.18 | herlo | ahh, a dataw0lf cancer stik |
| 21:43.22 | herlo | bonus |
| 21:45.40 | timinator | man, jbot'll smoke anything |
| 21:45.42 | timinator | :) |
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| 21:48.40 | orsonj | just finished backlog and Trevyn leaves |
| 22:06.46 | orsonj | so, anyone have an email for Trevyn? I figured out the math. The other part seems to work. |
| 22:07.35 | mindjuju | trevyn AT esourcehome . com |
| 22:07.49 | orsonj | thanks |
| 22:07.56 | herlo | orsonj: he regularly spams the channel with his email address |
| 22:07.56 | mindjuju | he's posted to the mailing list so it's safe to hand out i suppose |
| 22:08.45 | mindjuju | sup herlo |
| 22:08.49 | mindjuju | where you at? |
| 22:09.16 | herlo | mindjuju: LA, I get home at 9pm |
| 22:09.23 | herlo | good ol' murray |
| 22:09.46 | mindjuju | cool |
| 22:10.04 | herlo | mindjuju: how's things down your way? |
| 22:10.12 | herlo | heard there was a fun snowstorm this week |
| 22:10.31 | mindjuju | yeah, pretty crazy |
| 22:10.40 | mindjuju | but i have four will drive so it wasn't a big deal |
| 22:10.51 | herlo | four will? |
| 22:11.06 | mindjuju | sorry,w as watching this - http://youtube.com/watch?v=jwMj3PJDxuo |
| 22:11.41 | SunSparc | I blogged that the other day. Awesome stuff. |
| 22:11.57 | mindjuju | yeah v interesting |
| 22:12.58 | orsonj | heh, saw that recently. good. |
| 22:13.30 | orsonj | I think that is one of the better ones they have done. |
| 22:17.16 | _psychic_ | i liked the suicide jumper |
| 22:17.28 | mindjuju | suicide jumper? |
| 22:17.58 | *** join/#uphpu Trevyn (n=Trevyn@70.0.194.132) |
| 22:18.10 | _psychic_ | http://www.improveverywhere.com/2005/12/10/suicide-jumper/ |
| 22:18.13 | mindjuju | heya trevyn, orsonj was looking for you |
| 22:18.26 | mindjuju | thx _psychic_ ! |
| 22:18.30 | Trevyn | Orson |
| 22:18.35 | Trevyn | Thanks! |
| 22:18.38 | Trevyn | http://esourcehome.com/download/ |
| 22:18.42 | Trevyn | download the cropper |
| 22:18.44 | cycokilr | mork calling orson |
| 22:18.48 | Trevyn | http://esourcehome.com/cropper |
| 22:19.21 | orsonj | np, fun little brain teaser |
| 22:19.27 | Trevyn | yeah.. :) |
| 22:19.37 | Trevyn | Ill be implimenting your calcs soon |
| 22:19.44 | Trevyn | You can download it if you want the code. |
| 22:20.16 | Trevyn | http://esourcehome.com/resultviewer/ |
| 22:20.23 | Trevyn | This is for anyone else who would use it. |
| 22:23.32 | mindjuju | _psychic_ - that's awesome |
| 22:23.47 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 22:25.04 | Trevyn | Orson, howd you get my email addy? |
| 22:26.55 | mindjuju | sorry, was watching the video on the jumper - Trevyn i gave it to him, got it from the mailing list |
| 22:27.12 | mindjuju | separated the email elements so you won't get spammed |
| 22:27.22 | Trevyn | K thanks |
| 22:27.37 | Trevyn | have a good weekend guys/gals |
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| 22:28.33 | herlo | mindjuju: the improv anywhere guys are *awesome* |
| 22:28.43 | mindjuju | yeah they are, i love that jumper one |
| 22:28.54 | orsonj | just finished the jumper. awsome! |
| 22:38.51 | brasto | herlo, what's the position at guru labs? |
| 22:39.00 | herlo | Linux Instructor |
| 22:39.11 | herlo | jobs@gurulabs.com |
| 22:39.21 | brasto | ok, tx |
| 22:39.27 | mgeary | psh |
| 22:39.30 | herlo | tell them I sent you |
| 22:39.41 | brasto | will do |
| 22:39.44 | mgeary | why be a Linux Instructor when you can be a... DEVELOPER! |
| 22:39.50 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:40.30 | jsmith | mgeary: Because it pays the bills? |
| 22:40.40 | jsmith | mgeary: And you get to eat out a lot, and gain weight! |
| 22:40.44 | mgeary | okay, give me one OTHER reason |
| 22:40.45 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:40.54 | jsmith | mgeary: And you get to say the same thing over and over and over again every week. |
| 22:41.20 | jsmith | brasto: That's my job, in a nutshell -- switching hats between developer, trainer, and community relations whipping-boy |
| 22:41.29 | brasto | sweet! |
| 22:41.39 | brasto | where do you work jsmith? |
| 22:41.48 | mindjuju | not with guru labs |
| 22:41.52 | herlo | brasto: he's probably hirinig too, darn that jsmith |
| 22:41.59 | jsmith | brasto: Digium (the company behind Asterisk) |
| 22:42.22 | brasto | lol |
| 22:42.25 | jsmith | brasto: We're always hiring, but most employees need to relocate to Huntsville, AL |
| 22:42.53 | mindjuju | isn't that were Forest Gump was from? |
| 22:42.53 | brasto | wow... that's only a couple thousand miles or so... |
| 22:43.00 | mindjuju | Huntsville Ala |
| 22:43.18 | jsmith | Lucky for me, I get to work out of Virginia |
| 22:43.24 | jsmith | We also have an office in San Diego |
| 22:43.35 | herlo | mine is because I don't know asterisk that well though :) but I can be taught (hint, hint jsmith) |
| 22:43.36 | _psychic_ | anyone here ever used RDF before? |
| 22:43.44 | brasto | herlo, does the jobs@gurulabs.com email address go to Shaun? |
| 22:43.47 | mindjuju | may be a thousand miles away, but if property value are the same there as they are in houston, you'll be pleasantly surprised what you can buy a nice home with property for |
| 22:44.03 | jsmith | _psychic_: Yeah... check out Reuter's OpenCalais API |
| 22:44.06 | herlo | no, goes to Dax and Bryan, they do the hiring |
| 22:46.05 | _psychic_ | jsmith: just finished making a cakphp component for it |
| 22:46.14 | _psychic_ | it's the bomb |
| 22:46.19 | _psychic_ | and I can get tagging out of it |
| 22:46.29 | _psychic_ | but I'm wondering what else I'm missing with RDF |
| 22:52.18 | _psychic_ | jsmith: have you done anything else with RDF? |
| 22:52.23 | mindjuju | thebigdog PM sent |
| 22:54.17 | jsmith | _psychic_: Not that I'll admit to in public, no |
| 22:54.50 | _psychic_ | I love this open calais stuff |
| 22:54.59 | _psychic_ | I want to make a wordpress plugin that auto-tags my posts |
| 22:55.11 | _psychic_ | that'd be the killer app for this sort of thing |
| 22:55.24 | jsmith | _psychic_: Shouldn't be hard to do... a little SOAP magic, and you're in like flint |
| 22:55.42 | _psychic_ | SOAP wasn't bad, but parsing the RDF was a little tricky |
| 22:57.26 | mgeary | mindjuju: property in VA is ~2x costs here |
| 22:57.36 | mgeary | though i'd suspect that it's a fair bit lower in AL |
| 22:57.44 | mgeary | i mean, it's Alabammy |
| 22:57.44 | jsmith | mgeary: And ~3x as beautiful! |
| 22:57.44 | mindjuju | yeah,w as saying ala |
| 22:58.27 | mgeary | jsmith: dunno 'bout that. VA *is* beautiful, but c'mon, look at our mountains |
| 22:58.28 | mindjuju | but, with Virginia, you get beautiful vistas, fireflies, DC, could go on and on |
| 23:00.06 | beandog | mindjuju, mm, Iagree |
| 23:00.20 | beandog | forests + mountains = really pretty |
| 23:00.26 | mindjuju | yeah, totally |
| 23:00.36 | mindjuju | I lived right in the Blue ridge mountains |
| 23:01.02 | mindjuju | Blue Ridge parkway was like 10 miles away |
| 23:01.46 | mgeary | doh! |
| 23:01.53 | mgeary | !@#!$@# |
| 23:01.56 | mindjuju | bummer, backfire! |
| 23:02.21 | mindjuju | tis a good song |
| 23:07.42 | cycokilr | yikes |
| 23:13.55 | mindjuju | hey, everybody likes at least one JD song |
| 23:14.00 | RedHeron | Okay, I'm missing something... anyone know of a way to grab Gmail and drop the raw emails into a database? I can't seem to get PHP to like TLS grabs. |
| 23:14.21 | RedHeron | mindjuju: I like "The Eagle and the Hawk" myself. |
| 23:16.09 | mindjuju | i only like a handful of songs, myself -- a fact that my wife says that I hid until after we got married. She being a big JD fan |
| 23:18.26 | RedHeron | I think that's really the only one I like... the rest... tolerable, but not noteworthy. |
| 23:19.39 | RedHeron | Still... the gmail issue. :-( |
| 23:20.32 | mindjuju | so experience working with email in PHP, hadn't come up |
| 23:20.44 | mindjuju | and the other day, I tried, but was thwarted by groupwise |
| 23:21.07 | RedHeron | Well, I can send all day long on TLS/SSL, but I can't seem to retrieve. |
| 23:21.20 | RedHeron | Sending SMTP is easy. |
| 23:21.32 | RedHeron | Emailing directly from the server is easy, too. |
| 23:21.58 | mindjuju | sorry, yes i mean sending yes, but retrieving from a box no |
| 23:22.02 | mindjuju | have sent out emails before |
| 23:22.06 | RedHeron | But for some reason I don't get, gmail isn't letting me get emails from their server using their required protocol. |
| 23:22.27 | cycokilr | fetchers |
| 23:23.00 | RedHeron | It should just be a grab, parse separations via RFC standard, drop raw emails into the database. |
| 23:23.09 | RedHeron | fetchers? |
| 23:23.47 | RedHeron | Which? |
| 23:23.55 | cycokilr | google |
| 23:24.08 | RedHeron | I'm not following what you mean. |
| 23:24.14 | cycokilr | yeah it's nothing. |
| 23:24.35 | cycokilr | so anyway, my buddy's dad is a developer for google.. i don't know what stuff he works on though.. |
| 23:24.49 | RedHeron | That's a leet job. :-) |
| 23:24.53 | cycokilr | he hangs out in #ut2600 on efnet though.. |
| 23:25.05 | cycokilr | my buddy, not his dad.. |
| 23:25.06 | RedHeron | Why am I not surprised by that? |
| 23:25.27 | cycokilr | meh, he's not that good.. |
| 23:25.33 | cycokilr | he just likes to hang with those that are.. |
| 23:25.38 | RedHeron | Doesn't have to be to hang out in a chat room. |
| 23:25.46 | cycokilr | good point |
| 23:25.50 | RedHeron | And I'm the same way. I don't hack computers, I hack governments. |
| 23:25.59 | cycokilr | scary |
| 23:26.02 | cycokilr | too big for me.. |
| 23:26.17 | RedHeron | Nah, governments are easy once you get the protocols down. |
| 23:26.38 | RedHeron | It's just a matter of correct application of social engineering. |
| 23:27.13 | RedHeron | And if you try to do things unethically, it doesn't work after a few times. |
| 23:27.53 | dataw0lf | ... Bush? |
| 23:28.02 | RedHeron | Why, yes. :-) |
| 23:28.29 | RedHeron | Bush supporters likely hacked computers so Bush could hack the government. |
| 23:28.46 | RedHeron | But he's a hack, not really a hacker. |
| 23:30.05 | RedHeron | Anyway... the imap_open() function with the /tls flag isn't working to grab, so I don't really know what to try. |
| 23:30.41 | RedHeron | Tried /ssl flag too, not that it made a lot of difference in the result. |
| 23:32.04 | brasto | anyone work at codegreene? |
| 23:32.13 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 23:32.13 | mgeary | macnewbold does :) |
| 23:32.21 | mindjuju | black_chaos |
| 23:32.22 | brasto | lol |
| 23:34.51 | wps | anyone see what's wrong with this query? |
| 23:34.51 | wps | http://phpfi.com/296676 |
| 23:34.57 | RedHeron | Bush = hack w/ admin privileges, trying to alter the system to fit his needs without understanding the result is counter to the design of the system. |
| 23:35.35 | wps | sorry about that |
| 23:35.43 | wps | says unknown column… but that column exists |
| 23:36.13 | RedHeron | Where is the unknown column being generated? |
| 23:36.20 | SunSparc | which column? |
| 23:36.23 | wps | generated? |
| 23:36.59 | SunSparc | total |
| 23:37.04 | SunSparc | you need an as |
| 23:37.18 | wps | I thought as was optional |
| 23:37.26 | mindjuju | i think it is optional |
| 23:37.28 | RedHeron | try it and see |
| 23:37.32 | mindjuju | or at least mysql is ok with it |
| 23:37.33 | wps | i did |
| 23:37.35 | wps | same result |
| 23:37.54 | RedHeron | which column is it saying is unknown? |
| 23:38.02 | wps | pc.pc_id |
| 23:38.21 | wps | for mgeary: http://phpfi.com/296677 |
| 23:38.29 | mindjuju | so just for the sake of argument, we're sure that genesisam.partner_category.pc_id exists, right? |
| 23:38.42 | wps | yes |
| 23:38.55 | RedHeron | Ah, much better! |
| 23:38.57 | mindjuju | you know, i've never seen a . in a table name |
| 23:39.16 | wps | that's db.table, mindjuju |
| 23:39.24 | mindjuju | ah, gotcha |
| 23:40.13 | mindjuju | you know honestly, i've never joined without specifying inner or left, etc. |
| 23:40.13 | RedHeron | Try a space around the equals sign in the ON statement. |
| 23:40.24 | mindjuju | i wonder what jsmith-away thinks |
| 23:40.46 | mindjuju | especially since you do qualify the left join |
| 23:41.24 | RedHeron | left join |
| 23:41.24 | RedHeron | genesisam.partner_apps pa on pc.pc_id=paca.paca_pc_id |
| 23:41.39 | mindjuju | right, but none of the other ones are |
| 23:41.53 | mindjuju | it's a guess, but thought i'd mention it |
| 23:42.52 | RedHeron | genesisam.partner_apps pa on (pc.pc_id=paca.paca_pc_id) |
| 23:42.55 | RedHeron | Try that? |
| 23:43.37 | RedHeron | Parentheses might be needed for cohesion of the statement. |
| 23:44.39 | wps | same |
| 23:44.46 | RedHeron | hrmmmm... |
| 23:45.08 | wps | I wonder if I'm joining in the wrong thing |
| 23:45.12 | wps | s/in/on/ |
| 23:45.18 | wps | ha ha |
| 23:45.20 | wps | jooingin! |
| 23:45.24 | mindjuju | just starting to map the schema |
| 23:45.33 | wps | ~jooning |
| 23:47.10 | mgeary | sorry, got pulled away. still having a prob, wps ? |
| 23:47.27 | wps | still working on it, yeah |
| 23:47.37 | RedHeron | That's weird... it *should* work the way you have it, wps, since it recognizes the column in SELECT. |
| 23:47.54 | RedHeron | Can you do a straight SELECT of the column results? |
| 23:48.21 | RedHeron | Bah... you know what I mean, right? |
| 23:48.35 | mgeary | is there a reason you're specifying your db name when referencing your tables? |
| 23:48.50 | wps | I got it |
| 23:48.53 | mgeary | genesisam is your db name, yes? |
| 23:48.53 | RedHeron | mgeary: Multiple DB's are being used. |
| 23:49.00 | mindjuju | what was it? |
| 23:49.00 | mgeary | you can't join across DBs |
| 23:49.13 | wps | I had the tables in the wrong order |
| 23:49.33 | RedHeron | wps: Eh??? |
| 23:49.41 | mindjuju | joining on the wrong tables, methinks |
| 23:49.50 | mindjuju | was just starting to map that out to see if that might be it |
| 23:50.14 | wps | here's what worked: http://phpfi.com/296678 |
| 23:50.43 | beandog | mgeary, you cant do db.table? |
| 23:50.49 | mgeary | you can |
| 23:51.02 | beandog | can you not do joins? I cant remember, its been so long. |
| 23:51.03 | wps | we do it that way in our system so that we don't have to set the db first |
| 23:51.05 | RedHeron | wps: Wrong table ID's? |
| 23:51.05 | mgeary | and you can select from multiple dbs, but i'm pretty sure you can't join across tables |
| 23:51.14 | mgeary | at the very least, indexes won't get used |
| 23:51.39 | wps | no, was just listing the dbs in the wrong order |
| 23:51.45 | wps | oops |
| 23:51.47 | wps | I mean tables |
| 23:52.05 | mgeary | gotta run |
| 23:52.06 | mgeary | later |
| 23:52.06 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:52.17 | wps | you have to have the tables that contain the columns you are using for the 'on' right next to it |
| 23:52.45 | RedHeron | Right, but I'm seeing actually different names used. |
| 23:52.49 | mindjuju | so the left join is now on paca and that made the difference |
| 23:52.54 | mindjuju | nope, say tables |
| 23:53.02 | wps | correct, mindjuju |
| 23:54.10 | RedHeron | Wait, I'm misreading... d'oh! |
| 23:59.37 | RedHeron | Thanks. Now if I could just remember where the can opener is... |