| 00:01.12 | fungus | My guess is that would likely bulk up PHP and degrade performance. |
| 00:03.37 | fungus | Anyone use an ORM for Python that is as simple as SQLObject but supports Oracle? |
| 00:04.30 | dataw0lf | SQLAlchemy too complex? |
| 00:04.44 | fungus | It really complex compared to SQLObject. |
| 00:04.56 | fungus | I was hoping to find one simpler before juming into it. |
| 00:05.30 | fungus | Is SQLAlchemy worth digging into? |
| 00:05.49 | dataw0lf | definitely |
| 00:05.57 | dataw0lf | but I was pretty sure SQLObject supported Oracle |
| 00:06.22 | fungus | Nope, they have a development branch that supposedly does, but it looked kinda hokey. |
| 00:06.58 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 00:16.32 | SunSparc | Anyone here work much with ActionScript3/Flex/Flash? |
| 00:16.48 | dataw0lf | mgeary, I believe |
| 00:17.04 | mgeary | not much with AS3, just one partial project under my belt with AS3 |
| 00:17.06 | SunSparc | Oh, yeah, I forgot. |
| 00:17.52 | SunSparc | mgeary: Work much with POSTing data to PHP scripts? |
| 00:18.03 | SunSparc | From the AS3 side? |
| 00:18.05 | mgeary | hmm |
| 00:18.58 | mgeary | nope. i've got a class i use for that, but i haven't ported it to AS3 yet :/ |
| 00:20.03 | SunSparc | I have a AS3 script that is using URLRequest and URLRequestMethod to setup POST data and then URLLoader.load to send it but it comes across to PHP in ways that I do not expect. |
| 00:20.13 | mgeary | how so? |
| 00:21.30 | SunSparc | For instance, I am sending a PNG image through as URLRequest.data and it come through on the PHP side as $GLOBALS['HTTP_RAW_POST_DATA'] |
| 00:21.40 | SunSparc | Does not show up in the POST array at all |
| 00:21.53 | mgeary | well, it should show up in $_FILE, not $_POST, right? |
| 00:22.01 | dataw0lf | yar |
| 00:22.04 | SunSparc | Yes, I was assume |
| 00:22.13 | SunSparc | But it does not show up in any of those. |
| 00:22.25 | mgeary | you know, i've seen that RAW_POST thing before. dang |
| 00:22.31 | mgeary | it's been a while |
| 00:22.32 | dataw0lf | or rather $_FILES |
| 00:22.32 | mgeary | one sec |
| 00:22.37 | mgeary | yeah, thanks dataw0lf |
| 00:22.39 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Yes |
| 00:23.15 | mgeary | dang, SunSparc we did a project where we accepted file uploads. It was via AS2, not 3, but i do remember having to mess around with that RAW_POST_DATA |
| 00:23.28 | mgeary | unfortunately, the job has been archived, and i don't have ready access to the source |
| 00:23.33 | SunSparc | I also attache a key=>value pair with URLRequestHeader and it actually comes through in the SERVER var as HTTP_KEY_NAME, which is alright |
| 00:25.19 | SunSparc | Ok, that is cool. Thanks anyway. |
| 00:25.50 | SunSparc | mgeary: You have probably seen this helpful page -> http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/201/langref/migration.html |
| 00:25.55 | mgeary | oh yeah |
| 00:25.59 | mgeary | i have the PDF version |
| 00:26.00 | SunSparc | Handy |
| 00:26.05 | SunSparc | Good idea |
| 00:26.08 | mgeary | yeah |
| 00:26.28 | SunSparc | I am reading up on the HTTPService class. |
| 00:27.11 | SunSparc | You know Jake Hilton? |
| 00:27.18 | mgeary | yeah. great guy |
| 00:27.34 | mgeary | He's like, PoeticIntensity's alter-ego |
| 00:27.38 | SunSparc | Indeed. He is helping me on this project. Well actually, I am his padawan. |
| 00:27.48 | SunSparc | Hehe, he used to work with PI. |
| 00:28.05 | mgeary | Jake's back in the sack with MR? |
| 00:28.20 | SunSparc | hehe, contract job |
| 00:28.29 | mgeary | cool |
| 00:28.35 | SunSparc | Although, we are still wooing him. |
| 00:28.55 | PoeticIntensity | pun intended? |
| 00:29.03 | SunSparc | PI yes |
| 00:29.04 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:29.28 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - green light |
| 00:30.49 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, mindjuju |
| 00:31.04 | PoeticIntensity | Hey SunSparc.... Do you have the multi-form crud in your form tag? |
| 00:31.13 | PoeticIntensity | if you don't, the upload of any non-text information won't work |
| 00:31.20 | PoeticIntensity | er... multi-data. |
| 00:31.49 | PoeticIntensity | enctype="multipart/form-data" |
| 00:31.50 | PoeticIntensity | that. |
| 00:35.46 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, all is going well... Thanks again. |
| 00:35.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:37.29 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Yeah, Jake put this in there -> application/octet-stream |
| 00:37.34 | SunSparc | for the content type |
| 00:37.37 | PoeticIntensity | ah |
| 00:37.49 | PoeticIntensity | is it HTML-based, or Flash? |
| 00:38.00 | SunSparc | AS3 |
| 00:38.03 | SunSparc | So Flash |
| 00:38.05 | PoeticIntensity | if it's within .... ah... |
| 00:38.08 | PoeticIntensity | hrm... |
| 00:38.29 | PoeticIntensity | I know that if the HTML form tag doesn't contain that enctype, nothing gets POSTed. |
| 00:38.35 | PoeticIntensity | no idea in AS3, though |
| 00:40.38 | PoeticIntensity | alright.... I'm takin' off. |
| 00:41.44 | dataw0lf | you better! |
| 00:41.46 | dataw0lf | I mean, cya. |
| 00:42.09 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Thanks. Later |
| 00:43.16 | PoeticIntensity | :-D |
| 00:43.22 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 00:49.00 | timinator_ | later guys.... I'm out |
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| 00:57.03 | dataw0lf | FOUR! |
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| 01:59.06 | mindjuju | has anybody here ever worked with POP3 and PHP? |
| 02:02.05 | beandog | you mean like squirrelmail? |
| 02:02.14 | beandog | I played with pop once, I remember it was really simple. |
| 02:02.44 | mindjuju | oh cool, need to build something that pulls email from a box, lists the email addys that wrote in and process them for unsubscribe |
| 02:02.52 | mindjuju | just starting to google for info on how to work that |
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| 02:11.15 | mindjuju | beandog, you still around? |
| 02:11.51 | beandog | yomes |
| 02:12.10 | mindjuju | so riddle me this |
| 02:12.26 | mindjuju | if i log into an email box, there are 800+ messages |
| 02:12.39 | mindjuju | but when I telnet to the mail server and ask there, there are only 33 |
| 02:12.49 | mindjuju | mailserver is gorupwise |
| 02:12.53 | beandog | could be the whole 'marked as read' thing. |
| 02:13.05 | mindjuju | just had them all marked as unread |
| 02:13.08 | beandog | oh. |
| 02:13.12 | beandog | beats me. |
| 02:13.15 | beandog | groupwise is for suckers. |
| 02:13.21 | mindjuju | yeah, not my call |
| 02:13.50 | beandog | dunno man |
| 02:13.52 | beandog | that is odd. |
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| 02:17.35 | mindjuju | yo thebigdog |
| 02:17.44 | thebigdog | how are you mindjuju |
| 02:17.57 | mindjuju | meh |
| 02:18.03 | mindjuju | have any time on groupwise? |
| 02:20.53 | thebigdog | no |
| 02:21.08 | thebigdog | i have only used groupwise in college |
| 02:21.14 | thebigdog | up at weber |
| 02:21.17 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 02:21.19 | mindjuju | this bites |
| 02:21.32 | mindjuju | when i log in, it says i have over 800 |
| 02:21.40 | mindjuju | but when i telnet, it freakin says i have freakin 33 |
| 02:23.10 | thebigdog | messages |
| 02:23.18 | thebigdog | any mac users on? |
| 02:23.35 | mindjuju | not that i know of |
| 02:23.45 | jsmith | thebigdog: I'm on a mac, but booted into Linux ... why? |
| 02:23.48 | mindjuju | would that limit me asking via |
| 02:23.54 | thebigdog | jsmith: |
| 02:24.01 | mindjuju | oh, mac for you |
| 02:24.05 | mindjuju | bummer for me |
| 02:24.13 | mindjuju | yeah, 33 messages is all it returns in telnet |
| 02:24.14 | thebigdog | jsmith: how do you kill a process or window |
| 02:25.02 | jsmith | thebigdog: There's a vulcun neck-pinch key-combo -- I don't remember what it is |
| 02:25.14 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 02:25.17 | jsmith | thebigdog: (But since it's Unix underneath, you can always use "kill"') |
| 02:25.22 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 02:28.35 | thebigdog | i need to get use to this |
| 02:40.58 | mindjuju | whoopee |
| 02:41.04 | thebigdog | jsmith: what linux distro are you running on your mac? |
| 02:42.25 | jsmith | thebigdog: Fedora... has the best PPC support I've seen in a Linux distro |
| 02:42.57 | thebigdog | the new fc |
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| 02:44.54 | thebigdog | jsmith: did you get that question? |
| 02:45.44 | jsmith | thebigdog: Nope, my internet yo-yo'd |
| 02:46.04 | thebigdog | you using the new version of fc |
| 02:47.12 | jsmith | Well, yeah... it's not FC any more... just Fedora |
| 02:47.20 | jsmith | (they dropped the Core when then merged in the Extras) |
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| 02:50.03 | jsmith | thebigdog: Fedora has the best PPC support I've seen in a Linux distro |
| 02:50.09 | thebigdog | i might have to try it out |
| 02:50.16 | thebigdog | im just not a big fedora fan |
| 02:50.50 | jsmith | There's always room for change ;-) |
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| 02:51.27 | thebigdog | hehe perhaps |
| 02:54.26 | jsmith | Fedora 9 is gonna have even better PPC support ;-) |
| 02:55.40 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 02:58.10 | jsmith | thebigdog: If you wanna give it a try, there should be a PPC live CD you can test with |
| 02:58.40 | thebigdog | nice ill download that |
| 03:00.32 | thebigdog | man a live dvd |
| 03:00.32 | mindjuju | is there any reason that the telnet command "list" would only return back a limited number of emails when telnetted to an email server via 110? |
| 03:00.38 | thebigdog | things are so big to download |
| 03:00.44 | mindjuju | or should it list everything in the mailbox? |
| 03:01.46 | jsmith | mindjuju: Do you have to type list and then the header number you want it to start listing from? |
| 03:02.08 | mindjuju | i thought list dumped all the headernums |
| 03:02.22 | mindjuju | at i know the box has 800+ emails when i check groupwise thorugh the web client |
| 03:02.24 | thebigdog | jsmith: are u using anything for the dual boot? |
| 03:02.27 | mindjuju | but when i telnet, i only get 33 |
| 03:02.40 | jsmith | thebigdog: Since I'm on an old PowerBook, I'm using yaboot |
| 03:03.30 | thebigdog | oh |
| 03:04.33 | mindjuju | this is freakin' nuts, i give |
| 03:05.15 | thebigdog | yeah groupwise sucks |
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| 05:00.11 | dataw0lf | 'ello |
| 05:00.22 | dataw0lf | olds: you seen this In Rainbows remix? |
| 05:00.23 | influx^^_ | 'ellooo |
| 05:00.32 | influx^^_ | dataw0lf: where? |
| 05:00.35 | influx^^_ | where is it? |
| 05:00.47 | dataw0lf | http://www.onesevensevensix.com/amplive/index.html |
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| 05:00.50 | influx^^ | Gracias. |
| 05:01.42 | influx^^ | Hmm. |
| 05:25.19 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: did you get your groupwise thing figured out? |
| 05:26.41 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: maybe your list in telnet is just showing you one folder. |
| 05:26.47 | Utah_Dave | Other than that, I don't know' |
| 05:26.50 | Utah_Dave | Night everyone |
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| 16:56.56 | mindjuju | hello jbot |
| 16:56.59 | orsonj | ~welcome jbot |
| 16:56.59 | jbot | Hey, jbot! Glad you could join us. |
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| 17:20.41 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 17:25.43 | mgeary | hey |
| 17:25.51 | mgeary | what's the latest version of FedoraCore? |
| 17:25.58 | mgeary | FC7? or FC8? or..? |
| 17:26.52 | mgeary | yeah, looks like that's in alpha |
| 17:26.55 | mgeary | so FC8 |
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| 17:38.30 | Jacob_Kerr | Good morning! |
| 17:39.35 | Jacob_Kerr | I have a quick question :). How do I print out the name of a variable? like for instance I want to use $varname1 (varname1) as the index for an array. |
| 17:40.17 | Jacob_Kerr | this is so I can put together a dynamic query for an update. |
| 17:40.29 | wps | is this what you're trying to do? |
| 17:40.46 | wps | $array[$varname1] = 'something'; |
| 17:40.49 | mgeary | Jacob_Kerr: i'm not sure you can do that |
| 17:41.11 | mgeary | wps: no, i think he wants to say something like: debug($varname) and have it output: "varname is: <value>" |
| 17:41.16 | Jacob_Kerr | No wps that would take the value of that var right? I just want the name |
| 17:42.38 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah i just want the variable name not the value etc. So I want to turn $varname (varname) into a string. |
| 17:42.48 | wps | foreach($varname1 as $key => $value) { echo $key; } |
| 17:43.06 | fungus | array_keys() |
| 17:43.09 | Jacob_Kerr | Nice you can do that with a single var :) |
| 17:43.17 | wps | I think you can do that with a single var |
| 17:43.24 | mgeary | that's not going to give him the *name* of his variable, though |
| 17:43.25 | wps | array_keys() would avoid the loop |
| 17:43.37 | Jacob_Kerr | Dang. |
| 17:43.40 | wps | isn't the key the name of the variable? |
| 17:43.45 | mgeary | no |
| 17:43.55 | wps | what's the name of the variable? |
| 17:43.56 | mgeary | you're assuming his variable is an assoc. array, and getting the keys |
| 17:44.06 | mgeary | the name of $somevar is "somevar", right? |
| 17:44.18 | wps | yes |
| 17:44.23 | mgeary | so, try to use code to get that |
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| 17:44.31 | mgeary | i don't think you can |
| 17:44.47 | wps | I thought a single var could still be treated like an array |
| 17:44.48 | mgeary | i'd welcome a refutation, though |
| 17:44.51 | herlo | mgeary: mindjuju et al: I'd like to point that its not longer called Fedora Core |
| 17:44.55 | herlo | its only Fedora |
| 17:45.05 | mgeary | herlo: ah, ok |
| 17:45.21 | herlo | the Core part referred to the *core* team in Red Hat, and then there was the community side, Extrax |
| 17:45.25 | herlo | Extras |
| 17:45.34 | herlo | this has been merged in to one big base |
| 17:45.47 | herlo | so its just Fedora with the community driving it and RH protecting it |
| 17:46.00 | mgeary | wps: if you treat a *string* variable like an array, you can get the letters, i believe. but that may just be in python |
| 17:46.16 | mgeary | but even so, your keys would be number offsets, not the name of the variable |
| 17:46.44 | wps | true |
| 17:48.52 | wps | it would be guaranteed to be [0] |
| 17:50.14 | wps | alright… just tested it |
| 17:50.16 | wps | never mind |
| 17:50.17 | wps | I was wrong |
| 17:50.25 | mgeary | i wonder if the whole opcode/compiled nature of PHP prevents you from being able to get the name of a variable, since when the code is compiled, the variable just gets reduced to a pointer |
| 17:50.26 | wps | doesn't work to treat a single variable as an array |
| 17:50.32 | mgeary | and it would lose it's string "name" |
| 17:50.48 | tierra | technically, if you were to filter get_defined_vars(), you could get the variable names as strings... but that is venturing into one weird programming technique that likely isn't a good choice |
| 17:51.08 | mgeary | yeah, you're right, i think that does have it |
| 17:51.50 | wps | here you go: http://us.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.php#49997 |
| 17:52.31 | wps | have fun! |
| 17:52.31 | mgeary | heh |
| 17:52.55 | tierra | I've been known to use variable variables ($$name) a few times, but it's always been for large POSTs |
| 17:53.20 | mgeary | yeah, but that's something different |
| 17:53.27 | dataw0lf | what're you trying to do? |
| 17:53.33 | orsonj | good question |
| 17:53.35 | mgeary | he's trying to get the *name* of a variable |
| 17:53.43 | orsonj | look at it ;) |
| 17:53.45 | mgeary | e.g. turn $somevar into "somevar" |
| 17:54.00 | mgeary | that is correct, right, Jacob_Kerr ? |
| 17:54.11 | dataw0lf | why would one want to do that? Use a hash. |
| 17:54.35 | tierra | I'd still argue that using any kind of function that relies on the name of a variable is bad practice |
| 17:54.40 | PoeticIntensity | Happy Valentine's Day |
| 17:54.42 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_KILnJdHw |
| 17:54.49 | wps | I agree, tierra |
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| 17:55.02 | mgeary | i agree, but i can see the use in a debug function |
| 17:55.14 | mgeary | debug($somevar) outputs, "somevar is <value>" |
| 17:55.21 | dataw0lf | you can get local and global scope in the form of strings within php. |
| 17:55.40 | tierra | that wouldn't really work... the second it's passed to a function, the name changes to the parameter name |
| 17:55.49 | mgeary | yep |
| 17:56.10 | orsonj | then, debug($somevar,"somevar") |
| 17:56.52 | dataw0lf | foreach(get_defined_vars() as $k=>$v) { echo("$k is $v\n"); } |
| 17:56.57 | tierra | this is a technique that could be done with preprocessor macros, but no luck for PHP :) |
| 17:59.27 | dataw0lf | or just print_r(get_defined_vars()) I suppose |
| 18:00.04 | tierra | rol |
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| 18:32.57 | Jacob_Kerr | Dang power went out |
| 18:34.33 | mindjuju | sorry to hear that |
| 18:34.49 | mindjuju | i guess it just came back sinece you're here or are you on battery? |
| 18:36.21 | timinator | question |
| 18:37.57 | timinator | trying to upload a file to another URL of mine..... |
| 18:38.16 | timinator | move_uploaded_file($_FILES['Filedata']['tmp_name'], "http://client.domain.com/07_478/_dev_live/images/".$_FILES['Filedata']['name']); |
| 18:38.16 | timinator | chmod("http://client.domain.com/07_478/_dev_live/images/".$_FILES['Filedata']['name'], 0777); |
| 18:38.23 | timinator | but that doesn't work |
| 18:38.45 | timinator | when I use relative paths, it works fine... |
| 18:38.46 | Jacob_Kerr | It came back on :) |
| 18:38.52 | timinator | any thoughts?? |
| 18:39.42 | dataw0lf | timinator move_uploaded_file is for local use |
| 18:40.24 | dataw0lf | also that's terribly insecure, but you probably know that. |
| 18:40.48 | timinator | this is my first work w/ uploading files directly |
| 18:41.51 | dataw0lf | well you're going to need to sanitize ANYTHING that's going onto your filesystem from an untrusted source. especially when you're concatenating the field name explicitly (in a chmod statement!!) |
| 18:41.57 | timinator | so, no :) |
| 18:42.00 | dataw0lf | I'd suggest coming up with your own naming scheme |
| 18:42.04 | dataw0lf | don't trust anyone elses |
| 18:42.10 | timinator | oh, that I know... yes |
| 18:42.20 | timinator | thought you were talking about the function itself |
| 18:42.26 | dataw0lf | oh no |
| 18:42.32 | dataw0lf | I've never used it. |
| 18:42.39 | timinator | is there another function that can post to a non-local file system?? |
| 18:42.53 | dataw0lf | well sure, but you're going to 1) need sometihng to handle the post |
| 18:42.54 | timinator | like to put heavy files on another server that has more room |
| 18:43.06 | dataw0lf | 2) come up with something reliable that transfers the post |
| 18:43.13 | dataw0lf | you could just have a $_POST handler on the remote server |
| 18:43.32 | dataw0lf | personally I'd recommend a better transport mechanism than HTTP if you're going to be moving heavy files, though |
| 18:43.41 | dataw0lf | is the data sensitive? |
| 18:44.02 | timinator | no |
| 18:44.38 | Jacob_Kerr | Well there's always good old CURL |
| 18:44.45 | dataw0lf | I'd probably write a script in another language to handle the transport |
| 18:44.47 | Jacob_Kerr | I have used it for ftp etc. |
| 18:45.05 | dataw0lf | PHP's handling is crap when it comes to anything beyond HTTP |
| 18:45.07 | Jacob_Kerr | I do not know how secure it is.. |
| 18:45.58 | dataw0lf | I mean, timinator, does this have to be real time or can you do it in a batch process? (e.g., a cronned script) |
| 18:46.15 | dataw0lf | are you just trying to periodically move uploaded images off this particular server? |
| 18:47.02 | Jacob_Kerr | Well what's wrong with using CURL to move the file via ftp? |
| 18:49.03 | dataw0lf | you're making mod_php, who's performance isn't terrific to begin with, handle a socket connection (an FTP socket connection at that -- way more complex then, say, HTTP or telnet), on a live server. |
| 18:49.43 | dataw0lf | when you could just batch process them nightly with a cronned Python, Perl, or Ruby script. |
| 18:49.49 | timinator | I'd like something live |
| 18:50.18 | timinator | it's for a client upload of jpgs of his/their portfolio |
| 18:50.20 | timinator | so..... |
| 18:50.42 | timinator | he'll be uploading and adding blocks of text and such |
| 18:50.44 | timinator | would like it to be real time |
| 18:50.46 | dataw0lf | if it's a trusted source, a live PHP transfer _should_ be ok |
| 18:50.51 | Jacob_Kerr | Wait do the fles even need to move to another server or are you just moving it from the temp directory? |
| 18:51.09 | timinator | I've got a few servers..... |
| 18:51.19 | timinator | 1 I use for heavy files/bandwidth |
| 18:51.36 | Jacob_Kerr | I c. |
| 18:51.56 | timinator | so, I would *love* to have the app on one domain, and push the files to another |
| 18:51.58 | timinator | :) |
| 18:52.34 | Jacob_Kerr | Well I know CURL will work I used it not to long ago but I do not know how secure it is etc. |
| 18:52.42 | SunSparc | rsync |
| 18:53.06 | timinator | rsync in real time? w/ CURL? |
| 18:53.28 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I think so I will have to look at my code real quick. |
| 18:53.28 | SunSparc | No, just call rsync from PHP in real time, no need for CURL |
| 18:53.47 | SunSparc | Use the backticks |
| 18:55.04 | timinator | cool... that's a good idea.... what do you think DW, JK?? |
| 18:56.24 | Jacob_Kerr | I'm not familiar with rsync, but it is suggested method on php.net |
| 18:56.29 | Jacob_Kerr | http://www.php.net/mirroring.php |
| 18:57.12 | dataw0lf | well mirroring is different than file transfer |
| 18:57.22 | dataw0lf | the problem with rsync is you're going to go through more steps then with anything else |
| 18:57.35 | Jacob_Kerr | I can post the CURL code |
| 18:57.41 | Jacob_Kerr | and you will be up and running in like 5 min. |
| 18:57.58 | timinator | can you think of a better solution dataw0lf? |
| 18:58.27 | dataw0lf | if it's between local servers, HTTP transfer should be fine |
| 18:58.59 | timinator | not local servers :( |
| 18:59.14 | dataw0lf | scp then |
| 18:59.41 | timinator | can I do that direct from the temp dir? |
| 18:59.45 | timinator | in real time? |
| 18:59.52 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 19:00.22 | dataw0lf | I don't know how PHP supports ssh/scp/sftp though. I do all of that in Python because it's much faster. |
| 19:00.23 | Jacob_Kerr | these are just images right? |
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| 19:00.40 | timinator | ya, just images |
| 19:00.50 | SunSparc | php supports all of that through use of the backtick operator |
| 19:01.09 | dataw0lf | heh, I don't think that's 'support' |
| 19:01.18 | Jacob_Kerr | Here's the CURL I used: http://pastebin.com/d209f1941 |
| 19:01.19 | SunSparc | :) Well, yeah |
| 19:01.22 | timinator | LOL.... nope |
| 19:01.35 | SunSparc | It is basically a gateway to local filesystem tools. |
| 19:01.50 | dataw0lf | the backtick is pretty standard across most unix programming languages |
| 19:02.30 | SunSparc | It can be quite handy, but should be used with wisdom an prudence. |
| 19:02.51 | xilch|w | not just filesystem tools, most command line calls to anything will work |
| 19:02.52 | dataw0lf | Meh. I prefer much more explicit process control. |
| 19:03.15 | xilch|w | dataw0lf: everything is explicit with you. :) |
| 19:03.28 | dataw0lf | better than implicit |
| 19:03.41 | dataw0lf | import this agrees |
| 19:04.14 | xilch|w | parental advisory: explicitgthjlk |
| 19:04.41 | xilch|w | over the shoulder keyboard hax brought to you by synic |
| 19:04.46 | dataw0lf | where you living now xilch? |
| 19:04.54 | xilch|w | Lehi |
| 19:05.04 | xilch|w | just over the point of the mountain |
| 19:05.09 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 19:05.17 | xilch|w | you know where the new Cabelas went in? |
| 19:05.24 | xilch|w | 'bout a mile from there |
| 19:05.37 | xilch|w | it is nice, but now I commute, which is lose |
| 19:07.18 | SunSparc | Have you guys seen the new street view feature on Google Maps? |
| 19:07.20 | SunSparc | http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.438586,-111.890591&spn=0.004605,0.010997&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=40.43658,-111.89071&cbp=1,398.3440514469454,,0,6.881028938906766 |
| 19:08.08 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: yea it's pretty slick |
| 19:08.20 | SunSparc | Yeah, amazing. I love technology. |
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| 19:18.55 | Jacob_Kerr | hey can you do a foreach on 2 dif arrays at the same time? I want to use the keys and values from 2 dif assoc arrays. |
| 19:19.11 | mgeary | want to use them how? |
| 19:19.13 | Jacob_Kerr | should I just put a foreach inside of another. |
| 19:19.16 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:19.23 | Jacob_Kerr | K, thanx. |
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| 19:21.22 | dataw0lf | Jacob_Kerr: are they two arrays of the same size? |
| 19:21.31 | Jacob_Kerr | Yes. |
| 19:21.42 | mgeary | good call |
| 19:21.45 | Jacob_Kerr | I was going to check an update. |
| 19:22.03 | dataw0lf | just use a normal for loop and index each of them |
| 19:22.18 | Jacob_Kerr | how do I for loop on an assoc? |
| 19:22.26 | dataw0lf | ah assoc |
| 19:22.42 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I put a foreach inside of another foreach I think it will work. |
| 19:23.43 | Jacob_Kerr | I am hoping it works.. I hope they loop insync... |
| 19:24.52 | dataw0lf | each time you go through the parent foreach loop will completely iterate the inner foreach loop |
| 19:24.53 | Jacob_Kerr | if you put a foreach inside of another for each loop on the first one when it hits the other foreach does it loop the entire array inside that second foreach loop before the first one hits it's second loop. LOL... |
| 19:24.57 | burnin | in sync |
| 19:25.15 | burnin | yeah, like dataw0lf says, they wont be in sync |
| 19:25.21 | Jacob_Kerr | Dang.. |
| 19:25.29 | mgeary | Jacob_Kerr: you're not manipulating things in the arrays during the loop, are you? |
| 19:25.34 | mgeary | adding/removing? |
| 19:25.38 | mgeary | 'cause that's not a good idea |
| 19:25.39 | Jacob_Kerr | No I am just cheking values |
| 19:25.45 | mgeary | k |
| 19:25.50 | Jacob_Kerr | I am matching up old vs new for an update. |
| 19:25.54 | mgeary | ah, |
| 19:26.02 | mgeary | so they have the same keys? |
| 19:26.18 | mgeary | $array1["somekey"] = x and $array2["somekey"] = y ? |
| 19:26.27 | dataw0lf | use array_diff |
| 19:26.41 | Jacob_Kerr | Well one has _new and the other has _old on the keys |
| 19:26.48 | Jacob_Kerr | but besides that they are the same. |
| 19:26.55 | mgeary | well, there certainly are better ways to do it |
| 19:27.06 | mgeary | however, if you've got 2 arrays, you shouldn't need to have the keys be different |
| 19:27.08 | Jacob_Kerr | K, I am up to anything. |
| 19:27.16 | dataw0lf | if it's the same data the keys should remain the same, Jacob |
| 19:27.31 | mgeary | just have them be the same, and you could use some of the array tools, like array_diff, or you could just do: |
| 19:27.38 | mgeary | $the_keys = array_keys($first_array) |
| 19:27.45 | mgeary | and iterate through $the_keys, and check that key in each array |
| 19:27.48 | Jacob_Kerr | Nice, that's a good idea. |
| 19:30.16 | Jacob_Kerr | array_diff_assoc looks like a good one. |
| 19:30.18 | mindjuj1 | SunSparc, i ddin't know they did utah yet |
| 19:30.29 | mindjuj1 | i'm bummed, wanted to be on the street holding a sign or something |
| 19:30.43 | SunSparc | Apparently they did. We were looking all over Utah Valley yesterday |
| 19:31.03 | mindjuj1 | well, they have an awesome picture of my wife's car in the driveway |
| 19:31.19 | wps | http://diamondshreddies.ca |
| 19:31.52 | mgeary | ok |
| 19:31.58 | mgeary | time for everyone to post the street view of their house |
| 19:32.22 | SunSparc | That is a bit scary mgeary |
| 19:32.25 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 19:32.30 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:37.05 | orsonj | http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&layer=c&cbll=40.63284,-111.99032&cbp=1,356.11532203759333,0,1,0.6699227281396433&ll=40.646587,-111.988406&spn=0.030152,0.029182&z=15 |
| 19:37.17 | SunSparc | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=utah&layer=c&ie=UTF8&ll=40.297318,-111.6836&spn=0.004615,0.010997&t=h&z=17&cbll=40.295023,-111.683579&cbp=1,188.10289389067532,0,2,5 |
| 19:37.18 | orsonj | not my house, but one of the relations |
| 19:38.01 | orsonj | nice |
| 19:38.27 | mgeary | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1302+Coventry+Ln,+provo,+ut&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=85.210056,114.082031&ie=UTF8&ll=40.28717,-111.634848&spn=0.010508,0.013926&z=16&layer=c&cbll=40.283781,-111.635579&cbp=1,134.10261414132773,,0,5 |
| 19:38.39 | mindjuj1 | wow, this was several months ago |
| 19:38.47 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:38.48 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 19:38.49 | mgeary | summer |
| 19:39.34 | wps | what I think is cool is that if you pan down you can see the car |
| 19:39.42 | wps | with the complex roof-mounted camera |
| 19:40.05 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:40.24 | wps | not all of it though… they have blacked out the middle |
| 19:40.25 | SunSparc | Yeah, I thought it would be a truck, but no, just a sedan with a rack |
| 19:40.44 | wps | has anyone noticed that various places around google maps are blacked out? |
| 19:40.51 | wps | I think the government makes them do that |
| 19:40.52 | SunSparc | wps: Not blacked out, that would just be the limit of the camera. |
| 19:41.02 | mindjuj1 | which places? |
| 19:41.12 | wps | I have noticed that the water tanks in the foothills are blacked out |
| 19:41.31 | wps | I thought that I heard that the government makes Google do that so that terrorists don't know where they are |
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| 19:41.49 | dataw0lf | ehl oh ehl |
| 19:41.49 | Trevyn | Question |
| 19:42.04 | dataw0lf | there are a lot of easier ways to find out strategic targets in America |
| 19:42.05 | Trevyn | on a MYsql SELECT, how can I combine values and string charactors? |
| 19:42.07 | Trevyn | SELECT |
| 19:42.07 | Trevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.07 | Trevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.14 | dataw0lf | concat |
| 19:42.27 | timinator | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=511+2nd+St,+Ogden,+UT+84404&sll=40.643917,-111.988406&sspn=0.023804,0.041971&layer=c&ie=UTF8&ll=41.261743,-111.966391&spn=0.011791,0.020986&z=16&cbll=41.25913,-111.966284&cbp=1,178.39334486918767,0,1,0.6699227281396433 |
| 19:42.49 | dataw0lf | select orderID, concat('--', order_number) as order_number |
| 19:42.56 | wps | they didn't drive down my street |
| 19:43.01 | Trevyn | nice |
| 19:43.02 | Trevyn | thank you |
| 19:43.05 | dataw0lf | np |
| 19:43.25 | dataw0lf | you might have to cast that order_number to a string, I dunno, I don't use MySQL much |
| 19:43.26 | mindjuj1 | me was too and mentioned it privately to SunSparc |
| 19:43.30 | SunSparc | mgeary: Good noticiing. |
| 19:43.38 | mindjuj1 | didn't notice timinator's until you mentioned it |
| 19:43.55 | mindjuj1 | you still like us though, mgeary, don't you? |
| 19:44.07 | Trevyn | It worked perfectly |
| 19:44.11 | timinator | :) |
| 19:44.50 | dataw0lf | Trevyn: yay! :-) |
| 19:45.08 | SunSparc | How would you like that job. "Ok, we want you to strap this camera thing to your car and drive down every, and we mean EVERY, street in America. Let us know when you are done." |
| 19:45.19 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:45.49 | wps | cubicles suck |
| 19:46.35 | SunSparc | Speaking of cubicles: http://nacnud.com/area7/video/littlehousecubicle.wmv |
| 19:48.48 | wps | holy crap |
| 19:48.55 | wps | wiring |
| 19:49.00 | wps | a ceiling fan |
| 19:49.04 | wps | that's awesome! |
| 19:49.10 | wps | shingles! |
| 19:49.26 | wps | i want one! |
| 19:51.06 | mindjuj1 | that's cubicle is awesome |
| 19:51.41 | wps | that's not a prank… that's a wonderful gift |
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| 20:12.43 | SunSparc | I like the doorbell and flowers. Nice touch. |
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| 20:20.59 | mindjuj1 | OoOp#mda5 |
| 20:21.39 | mindjuj1 | darn, oh well, it's coming up on 6 months anyways |
| 20:23.41 | thebigdog | what is? |
| 20:24.16 | mindjuj1 | give me about 2 more minutes and then i'll tell you |
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| 20:25.56 | mindjuj1 | accidentlaly typed in a server password into the IRC. I change them about every 6 months |
| 20:26.26 | mindjuj1 | it's due to change in March, but since i posted it here, I just set the new one and reset calendar event to 6 months from now |
| 20:28.13 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:28.31 | mindjuj1 | how often do you usually change them thebigdog? |
| 20:28.45 | mindjuj1 | i think every 6 months is pretty good, but just thought i'd check |
| 20:28.46 | thebigdog | 60-90 days |
| 20:28.53 | mindjuj1 | hmmm... |
| 20:29.28 | mindjuj1 | once a quarter |
| 20:29.42 | mindjuj1 | what do you do dataw0lf? |
| 20:30.14 | SunSparc | I change all of mine every day. |
| 20:30.31 | SunSparc | I go through a lot of sticky notes. |
| 20:30.44 | mindjuj1 | every day? |
| 20:30.51 | SunSparc | jk |
| 20:30.55 | mindjuj1 | was going to say |
| 20:31.17 | SunSparc | I change them whenever I get uneasy about them. |
| 20:31.57 | dataw0lf | 60-90 days |
| 20:32.32 | dataw0lf | enforced, strict password updating is key to any sensible security scheme |
| 20:34.43 | thebigdog | and i have pretty big passwords |
| 20:34.46 | thebigdog | <-- |
| 20:34.53 | thebigdog | <-- is thebigdog |
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| 20:35.04 | dataw0lf | 13-15 characters usually |
| 20:35.08 | thebigdog | 15chars |
| 20:35.13 | thebigdog | or 16 |
| 20:35.23 | thebigdog | i have to do 1 more right |
| 20:35.25 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 20:35.49 | mindjuj1 | man, my 9 alphanumeric w/ special char is sounding wimpy |
| 20:35.51 | dataw0lf | %aT2!BBk*^vV)(N <-- password I just changed |
| 20:37.06 | mindjuj1 | so do you have that memorized or do you have some kind of password manager, notepad? |
| 20:37.10 | mindjuj1 | cause all mine are memorized |
| 20:37.13 | dataw0lf | memorized |
| 20:37.29 | dataw0lf | bOi<>ThC|jE|jM |
| 20:37.46 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:37.47 | dataw0lf | barack obama i not equal to hillary clinton or john edwards or jon mccain |
| 20:37.49 | dataw0lf | see how easy that is? |
| 20:38.09 | thebigdog | qe@EcHE9ebuswebu |
| 20:38.11 | mindjuj1 | too funny |
| 20:38.11 | dataw0lf | just alternate case and remember the sentance |
| 20:38.14 | dataw0lf | sentence* |
| 20:38.31 | SunSparc | passwords by association are awesome |
| 20:38.38 | RedHeron | Obama !== Clinton | Edwards | McCain |
| 20:40.31 | RedHeron | O!(C|E|Mc)@Vb |
| 20:40.41 | RedHeron | At the voting booth |
| 20:40.57 | dataw0lf | pretty easy way to come up with great passwords |
| 20:41.14 | unum | that's how I do it |
| 20:41.53 | mindjuj1 | hmm romney backs mccain |
| 20:43.00 | dataw0lf | unless Jesus gets resurrected again and decides to run as a republican (ehl oh ehl), it doesn't matter much. Barack is going to win. |
| 20:45.40 | mgeary | yeah, esp. if Hilary comes to her senses and pulls out. Recent polls indicate an Obama vs. McCain has Obama winning by 11 points. that's a huge margin |
| 20:46.18 | dataw0lf | if she loses Texas or Ohio she'll pull out immediately, I think. |
| 20:47.10 | dataw0lf | mgeary: unfortunately for McCain, Barack is the one candidate who can nullify any independent vote he may be counting on |
| 20:47.15 | mgeary | yep |
| 20:47.19 | tierra | many of my passwords come from a license plate and description of cars on the road that I have a vendetta against... I should recognize a plate if I ever see it again :) |
| 20:47.38 | mindjuj1 | actually, i just read something saying hilary and her staff may shoot for the superdelegate vote, even if she looses the popular |
| 20:48.00 | mgeary | yeah, the republicans would love that |
| 20:48.02 | dataw0lf | someone from the democratic party must've told her that she has an almost absolute zero chance of getting the VP nom. |
| 20:48.03 | dataw0lf | durn it |
| 20:48.36 | mindjuj1 | i don't know, both of them are so strong, can you imagine Barack sitting backseat to Hilary or vice versa? |
| 20:48.44 | mgeary | naw |
| 20:49.09 | dataw0lf | just strategically it doesn't make sense |
| 20:49.18 | dataw0lf | well nominating Barack as VP would |
| 20:49.24 | dataw0lf | not Hiillary though |
| 20:49.27 | dataw0lf | Hillary* |
| 20:50.54 | _psychic_ | you guys see the mccain music video spoof of obamas? |
| 20:51.50 | mindjuj1 | haven't |
| 20:52.03 | mindjuj1 | last political thing i saw was huckabee and chuck norris |
| 20:52.08 | mindjuj1 | several months ago |
| 20:52.15 | _psychic_ | but you saw Obamas yes we can vid, right? |
| 20:52.38 | _psychic_ | obamas - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yq0tMYPDJQ&feature=related |
| 20:52.47 | _psychic_ | mccain's - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs |
| 20:54.16 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: yea, did you see Hillary's version (not a spoof) ? |
| 20:54.24 | _psychic_ | no |
| 20:54.49 | _psychic_ | who did it? Madonna? |
| 20:55.12 | dataw0lf | oh no, it's worse |
| 20:55.23 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no |
| 20:55.49 | dataw0lf | I dunno how they found the handful of black guys who dance like middle class white yuppies, but they did |
| 20:56.04 | _psychic_ | oh dear no |
| 20:56.15 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:56.19 | dataw0lf | Obama's video is pretty awesome |
| 20:56.30 | _psychic_ | yeah he's quite the orator |
| 20:56.31 | dataw0lf | he's so inspirational |
| 20:56.43 | _psychic_ | his speech on faith in government was landmark |
| 20:57.05 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: yea, i actually saw that on your blog :) |
| 20:57.14 | _psychic_ | I'm so key with that |
| 20:57.17 | _psychic_ | everyone needs to watch it |
| 20:57.47 | _psychic_ | twice |
| 20:58.05 | dataw0lf | I've become a Barack speech junkie |
| 20:58.10 | dataw0lf | dude's awesmoe |
| 20:58.13 | dataw0lf | some* |
| 20:59.05 | herlo | dataw0lf: you voting Obama? |
| 20:59.13 | _psychic_ | I want to hear more details though |
| 20:59.22 | dataw0lf | herlo: Yup. |
| 20:59.28 | dataw0lf | got signs in the yard |
| 20:59.34 | dataw0lf | wearing my Barack shirt tomorrow |
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| 21:00.30 | herlo | dataw0lf: hehe, yeah, he's influencing my vote. Too bad I reside in Utah |
| 21:00.51 | _psychic_ | ugh Romney is endorsing McCain today I think |
| 21:01.14 | herlo | oh, bleh |
| 21:01.22 | dataw0lf | herlo: I think he's the most inspirational politician I've heard in a long, long time. And I think he's smart enough to hire the right people for the right jobs in his cabinet |
| 21:01.36 | herlo | dataw0lf: reminds me of what I learned about jfk |
| 21:01.38 | dataw0lf | apparently Barack and McCain don't like each other at all |
| 21:01.56 | dataw0lf | Barack called him out a couple times when they were writing the ethics reform stuff |
| 21:01.59 | herlo | dataw0lf: not surprising seeing as they are on different sides of teh fence |
| 21:02.05 | herlo | and I dont mean rep v dem |
| 21:02.06 | herlo | either |
| 21:03.51 | RedHeron | What? McCain is gay? |
| 21:04.07 | _psychic_ | ew |
| 21:04.39 | _psychic_ | RedHeron: http://dragonballyee.blogs.com/philly/images/mccain_hugs_bush_500.jpg |
| 21:04.50 | RedHeron | lol |
| 21:19.13 | mindjuj1 | it's about time! - http://gizmodo.com/356366/indiana-jones-iv-trailer-makes-us-wet-our-pants |
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| 21:25.49 | brasto | well, LNXI's investors forclosed today, and I'm looking for work again |
| 21:26.15 | mgeary | dude |
| 21:26.23 | mgeary | hit me |
| 21:28.23 | brasto | ~hit mgeary |
| 21:28.24 | jbot | ACTION kicks mgeary. |
| 21:28.28 | brasto | ~pinch mgeary |
| 21:28.29 | jbot | ACTION scuttles after mgeary, pinches him, and then scuttles away |
| 21:28.35 | mgeary | OWWW, dangi |
| 21:28.37 | mgeary | t |
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| 21:29.26 | unum | and you asked for it |
| 21:29.30 | mgeary | totally |
| 21:29.32 | unum | why are we hitting you |
| 21:29.52 | herlo | stop it, that hurts |
| 21:33.09 | sxcore | so are people involved with uphpu mainly in slc or utah county or is it pretty evenly spread? |
| 21:34.01 | dataw0lf | I'm in Reno. |
| 21:34.06 | dataw0lf | herlo could be anywhere |
| 21:34.17 | Jacob_Kerr | is there a beter way to do a mysql update besides: "UPDATE `table2` SET email='$row[3]', username='$row[1]', pwd='$row[2]' WHERE UID='$row[0]'"? |
| 21:34.35 | unum | I'm in slc |
| 21:34.40 | _psychic_ | I wonder how many people in uphpu prefer php *and* live in utah |
| 21:34.43 | Jacob_Kerr | I would like to put all my cols in one () and all the values in another () |
| 21:37.15 | timinator | anyone have a nice JS search tool? something with a popup list of predefined search results..... that's similar to the search tool on apple.com? |
| 21:37.59 | dataw0lf | I think apple's is AJAX |
| 21:38.13 | dataw0lf | meaning that you'll have to create a service end that'll hand the results to an XHR |
| 21:38.15 | timinator | possibly something that has all possible search results in an XML file?? |
| 21:38.23 | dataw0lf | yea you could do that |
| 21:38.33 | dataw0lf | rather unwieldy and undynamic, though |
| 21:38.52 | _psychic_ | all possible search results? |
| 21:38.59 | mindjuj1 | can you put it in a static xml file? |
| 21:38.59 | timinator | ya, but I'm setting it up for a product list.... a large product list... that rarely changes |
| 21:39.06 | timinator | so, it's not a "site" search |
| 21:39.11 | timinator | it's a product search |
| 21:39.46 | mindjuj1 | yeah, i can see that, but i thought it was that onChange was hitting XHR that was hitting a web service that was searching and putting back results as an XML string |
| 21:39.47 | dataw0lf | just put it in a static xml file I suppose then |
| 21:40.33 | dataw0lf | may regenerate it every week or whatever with a cron job |
| 21:40.42 | dataw0lf | s/may/maybe/ |
| 21:40.49 | timinator | dataw0lf: ya, that's what I'm thinking |
| 21:40.58 | timinator | cron for every week or so |
| 21:41.05 | dataw0lf | yea, static file is fine. |
| 21:41.36 | timinator | I'm just hoping to get something already created.... from a trusted source |
| 21:41.39 | timinator | anyone??? |
| 21:41.53 | timinator | :) |
| 21:42.31 | _psychic_ | timinator: http://wiki.script.aculo.us/scriptaculous/show/Ajax.Autocompleter |
| 21:43.57 | dataw0lf | http://fromvega.com/wordpress/2007/05/08/auto-complete-field-with-jquery-code-explained/ jquery version |
| 21:44.40 | Jacob_Kerr | Hey anyone know a cool way to strip first occurrence of a character from a string? |
| 21:45.18 | _psychic_ | str_replace |
| 21:45.21 | fungus | preg_replace |
| 21:45.24 | _psychic_ | I think it has a limit param |
| 21:45.33 | _psychic_ | str_replace is faster iirc |
| 21:45.34 | fungus | ahh str_replace would be better |
| 21:45.38 | mindjuj1 | so brasto, Linux Networks shut down? |
| 21:45.52 | Jacob_Kerr | Nice, thanx :) |
| 21:46.10 | timinator | _psychic_ dataw0lf: you think it's really worth loading up an entire function library just for this? |
| 21:46.30 | _psychic_ | you're welcome to write it up on your own |
| 21:46.30 | dataw0lf | yes. jquery is extremely lightweight, too |
| 21:46.47 | _psychic_ | using a lib means it's well tested... and it's already done |
| 21:46.55 | timinator | ya |
| 21:47.59 | timinator | dataw0lf: were you just giving a jquery option? or are you recommending jquery to scriptaculous? |
| 21:48.23 | timinator | since I'm not using either on this, it doesn't matter to me |
| 21:48.31 | _psychic_ | I think his is an equivalent using a different lib |
| 21:48.44 | timinator | right on |
| 21:49.25 | brasto | mindjuj1: yep |
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| 21:50.06 | mindjuju | brasto PM sent |
| 21:50.08 | brasto | SGI purchased some of LNXI's assetts, but the investor foreclosure date was just too soon |
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| 22:07.35 | Trevyn | MySQL question, do you know how to truncate a string? |
| 22:07.53 | mgeary | SUBSTR |
| 22:08.25 | Trevyn | Gosh your so good |
| 22:09.33 | *** part/#uphpu Trevyn (n=Trevyn@70.6.238.182) |
| 22:10.39 | mgeary | my so good what? |
| 22:11.56 | _psychic_ | skillz |
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| 22:16.34 | mindjuju | heya PoeticIntensity - how's the new computer? |
| 22:16.47 | mindjuju | what she got under the hood anyways, i don't think you ever mentioned? |
| 22:19.17 | timinator | I'm out guys..... happy <3 day |
| 22:20.23 | Jacob_Kerr | I can not get str_replace to only replace the first character it finds.. |
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| 22:22.51 | jsmith | Jacob_Kerr: You could always use preg_replace |
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| 22:34.18 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for askin', mindjuju ... |
| 22:34.29 | PoeticIntensity | It's a Gigabyte DS5 mobo... |
| 22:34.41 | PoeticIntensity | originally had a Phenom 9600 for it, but it was bad... |
| 22:34.52 | PoeticIntensity | upon further research, I decided to wait for the phenoms to get better... |
| 22:34.59 | PoeticIntensity | so I got an X2 6000+ |
| 22:35.07 | PoeticIntensity | (wanted a 6400+, but didn't want to wait for shipping) |
| 22:35.22 | PoeticIntensity | and a GeforceFX 8800GT |
| 22:35.32 | PoeticIntensity | two 250G drives striped.... |
| 22:35.37 | PoeticIntensity | (no need for lots of space) |
| 22:36.12 | PoeticIntensity | I was close to caving and going the Intel route, but.... I really want AMD to stick around. |
| 22:36.31 | mindjuju | wow, that's sweet hawtness |
| 22:36.32 | PoeticIntensity | so... even though I know Intel spanks AMD right now, I have hope. |
| 22:36.38 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... yeah... |
| 22:36.41 | PoeticIntensity | it's workin' great so far. |
| 22:37.03 | PoeticIntensity | it's 1000000% more peppy than my old one, (HT P4) by far. |
| 22:37.11 | _psychic_ | sell out! http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2608345 |
| 22:39.27 | mindjuju | i'd be interested to hear why you think this is a "sell out" |
| 22:40.20 | Black_Chaos | cause McCain == horrible badness for this country |
| 22:40.40 | mindjuju | yeah, but that is an argument against mcCain, not about why romney is sell out |
| 22:41.34 | mindjuju | you can argue mccain good or bad all day, and the victor really lies in your own political belief |
| 22:42.19 | _psychic_ | because he's playing partisan games |
| 22:43.45 | influx^^ | What's the argument? |
| 22:43.46 | influx^^ | oh |
| 22:44.01 | unum | did you expect him not to endorse anyone? |
| 22:44.04 | mindjuju | no argument, just wondering where _psychic_ was coming from |
| 22:44.11 | unum | or were you hoping he'd endorse huckabee... |
| 22:44.31 | _psychic_ | I just find it interesting how someone is the best until they drop out, then someone else is |
| 22:44.41 | unum | they all do it |
| 22:44.42 | influx^^ | Howso? |
| 22:44.47 | influx^^ | ^psychic |
| 22:44.52 | _psychic_ | unum: doesn't mean I have to like it :) |
| 22:44.56 | unum | well I guess edwards didn't do an endorsement |
| 22:44.59 | unum | which is odd |
| 22:45.03 | unum | that's ture |
| 22:45.04 | influx^^ | What about it is interesting, psychic? |
| 22:45.05 | unum | true |
| 22:45.15 | _psychic_ | influx^^: I'm the very best for president..... no wait... he is. |
| 22:45.56 | wps | if feels like a Friday |
| 22:46.41 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: well, it's more of a "I'm the best candidate, but now that I'm out, this particular candidate is close enough to my political beliefs that I can endorse them" |
| 22:46.49 | wps | mgeary: I think a lot of Utahns are considering democratic anyway as neither McCain or Huckleberry interest them |
| 22:47.16 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I suppose that's true |
| 22:47.18 | mgeary | yeah, but even so, you know that McCain would take Utah in the overall call |
| 22:47.28 | wps | yeah |
| 22:47.46 | mgeary | but i think a lot of Utahs are ticked at Huckabee because he diluted Romney's share |
| 22:51.06 | SunSparc | wps: McCain and Huckabee are not the only Republican's left. |
| 22:51.20 | wps | they are the only ones that are going to get enough of a vote that they matter |
| 22:52.22 | mgeary | Huckabee doesn't matter any more |
| 22:52.29 | wps | I agree |
| 22:52.41 | wps | but I didn't think he ever mattered much |
| 22:52.54 | mgeary | his day in the sun was the Iowa caucus |
| 22:53.00 | wps | or, better said, was much of a contender |
| 22:53.12 | mgeary | wonder how things'd be different if Romney had taken Iowa |
| 22:53.25 | SunSparc | Paul still has my vote. But failing him, I think I will probably vote Obama. |
| 22:54.08 | mgeary | that's what we like to hear :) |
| 22:54.10 | RedHeron | Rum Phail. |
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| 23:01.51 | mindjuju | ~APB brasto |
| 23:01.51 | jbot | ACTION summons Dog the Bounty Hunter to find brasto |
| 23:01.57 | mindjuju | brasto - PM sent |
| 23:02.05 | wps | what's the easiest way to remove an item from an array by key name |
| 23:02.12 | mgeary | unset |
| 23:02.18 | mgeary | unset($array["key"]) |
| 23:02.25 | wps | thanks |
| 23:02.28 | mgeary | yup |
| 23:04.02 | influx^^ | Of the Repubs that aren't Roald Dahl, I'm ok with Huckabee (at the moment). |
| 23:04.14 | influx^^ | But I found it funny that the state is Blue now. |
| 23:04.22 | influx^^ | At least, for this election. |
| 23:04.41 | influx^^ | SunSparc: That's my attitude, currently. |
| 23:04.47 | wps | I bet the majority will still be red |
| 23:04.57 | influx^^ | I've been pondering how to get places to make write-ins count. |
| 23:05.01 | wps | but it'll be much closer |
| 23:05.09 | influx^^ | Aye. |
| 23:05.11 | SunSparc | influx^^: :) |
| 23:05.20 | wps | I'd vote for thebigdog |
| 23:05.26 | influx^^ | I'd vote for me as his running mate. |
| 23:05.57 | influx^^ | sleeve* |
| 23:06.52 | wps | ~google |
| 23:06.56 | wps | ~google purple prize pimp suit |
| 23:07.19 | thebigdog | http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/dress-up/fancy/value-mens/other/big-daddy-pimp.html |
| 23:07.26 | thebigdog | yeah man |
| 23:07.31 | influx^^ | I would actually go out and buy a zuit suit. |
| 23:07.37 | wps | AHHH!! |
| 23:07.50 | influx^^ | What is this AHHH for. |
| 23:07.56 | thebigdog | http://www.pimpcostumes.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=565 |
| 23:08.01 | wps | nothing pisses me off more than when there is a "click to enlarge" link that brings up the same image! |
| 23:08.01 | thebigdog | even better |
| 23:08.12 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:08.30 | wps | AHHH!! |
| 23:08.40 | wps | the second thing that pisses me off!!! sites that resize your browser! |
| 23:08.47 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:08.50 | thebigdog | and this http://www.pimpcostumes.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=2121 |
| 23:08.58 | wps | I'm not clicking on any more of your links |
| 23:08.58 | thebigdog | for when i win |
| 23:09.17 | thebigdog | quit using safari |
| 23:09.47 | influx^^ | or turn off js |
| 23:09.49 | wps | :( |
| 23:10.01 | influx^^ | or write an applescript if you're on a mac. |
| 23:10.04 | influx^^ | or something. |
| 23:10.14 | wps | alas, I'm willing to live without that feature just to have nicely rendered fonts |
| 23:10.24 | influx^^ | mmm... yes. |
| 23:10.29 | mgeary | safari is teh bomb |
| 23:10.33 | influx^^ | diggity |
| 23:10.39 | wps | yup |
| 23:10.39 | mgeary | have you guys checked out the latest webkit builds? |
| 23:10.42 | mgeary | faaaasst |
| 23:10.45 | wps | yeah |
| 23:10.46 | wps | very nice |
| 23:10.53 | wps | and it was already fast |
| 23:11.00 | thebigdog | no if you used ff then you can turn that off |
| 23:11.07 | _psychic_ | I can't let go of my firefox extensions |
| 23:11.15 | mgeary | _psychic_: psh |
| 23:11.24 | thebigdog | firefox allows you to turn that js ability off |
| 23:11.28 | wps | I can't understand why people put up with the way that every other browser renders type |
| 23:11.31 | wps | it's awful |
| 23:11.48 | _psychic_ | because firefox has firebug and a nice delicious plugin, that's why :) |
| 23:11.50 | thebigdog | just use a real browser - firefox |
| 23:12.01 | thebigdog | then you dont need anything else |
| 23:12.03 | _psychic_ | safari is faster and cleaner looking |
| 23:12.13 | wps | have you seen Safari's new Inspector? |
| 23:12.17 | wps | so nice |
| 23:12.19 | thebigdog | ff looks great on mac |
| 23:12.19 | mgeary | oh yeah |
| 23:12.26 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: not as nice as Safari |
| 23:12.36 | _psychic_ | wps: gotta have a nice JS debugger |
| 23:12.36 | mgeary | Activity Monitor is dang useful |
| 23:12.42 | thebigdog | safari looks like someone pooped on my monitor |
| 23:12.44 | mgeary | Firebug *is* great |
| 23:12.49 | mgeary | i use it for intense JS debugging |
| 23:13.01 | mgeary | but Safari is my 99% of the time browser |
| 23:13.04 | wps | yeah… Firefox for dev… Safari for enjoying the web |
| 23:13.12 | mgeary | ^5 wps |
| 23:13.15 | wps | same, here, mgeary |
| 23:13.20 | wps | ^5 |
| 23:13.21 | _psychic_ | gotta have my del.icio.us |
| 23:13.22 | influx^^ | guh |
| 23:13.22 | _psychic_ | :/ |
| 23:13.23 | influx^^ | firefox |
| 23:13.35 | wps | I think that that is only the second time I have ever typed that character |
| 23:14.01 | influx^^ | you use more than one, or none/ |
| 23:14.03 | influx^^ | ? |
| 23:14.10 | wps | none |
| 23:14.12 | influx^^ | AYE |
| 23:14.14 | influx^^ | gah |
| 23:14.51 | thebigdog | i have 8 that i use all the time |
| 23:15.13 | thebigdog | _psychic_, what plugins you using? |
| 23:15.55 | _psychic_ | Charles autoconfig, del.icio.us bookmarks, Firebug, Google gears, |
| 23:16.05 | _psychic_ | Live HTTP headers, |
| 23:16.06 | _psychic_ | YSlow |
| 23:16.13 | mgeary | ah, but with Safari you don't need the Charles plugin |
| 23:16.25 | mgeary | and with Firebug you don't need Life HTTP, doyou? |
| 23:16.34 | mgeary | Lite* |
| 23:16.36 | _psychic_ | depends |
| 23:17.23 | thebigdog | what is the url for charles autoconfig |
| 23:17.48 | mgeary | that's just a plug that allows the very cool Charles program to proxy your FF connections |
| 23:18.00 | mgeary | so you can throttle, examine, and much more |
| 23:18.22 | thebigdog | oh |
| 23:18.34 | mgeary | http://www.xk72.com/charles/ |
| 23:18.41 | thebigdog | gotcha |
| 23:18.49 | _psychic_ | nice for soap, amf debugging |
| 23:18.52 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:19.18 | thebigdog | i got the following - adblock plus, downthemall, fasterfox,firebug,greasemonkey,tabmixplus,web developer |
| 23:19.29 | _psychic_ | yeah abp is nice too |
| 23:19.34 | thebigdog | i love it |
| 23:19.53 | thebigdog | greasymonkey is really nice oto |
| 23:22.55 | _psychic_ | what does it do, basically? |
| 23:23.02 | _psychic_ | Safari: 2, Firefox: 10 |
| 23:23.17 | mgeary | psh |
| 23:23.18 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | Sigh.... Does anyone see anything wrong with this query? " UPDATE user_information SET admin = '0', SET photo_gal = '1', SET news = '1', SET calendar = '1', SET stations = '1' WHERE id = '8' " |
| 23:23.24 | mgeary | yes |
| 23:23.27 | mgeary | SET...SET...SET |
| 23:23.31 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | I c. |
| 23:23.36 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | only one set then? |
| 23:23.43 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 23:23.44 | mgeary | update X set (photo_gal = '1', news = '1'...) |
| 23:23.47 | Jacob_Edmond_Ker | K, thanx :) |
| 23:23.48 | thebigdog | greasymonkey allows you to write snippets that get processed on certain pages |
| 23:24.44 | thebigdog | and they have tons of scripts online you can use |
| 23:25.03 | _psychic_ | what's an example of a script? |
| 23:25.36 | dataw0lf | any javascript |
| 23:26.09 | thebigdog | http://userscripts.org/ |
| 23:26.22 | influx^^ | I'd like to know something: What methods have you guys individually employed for learning your scripting/programming languages? |
| 23:26.46 | mgeary | 1) pick a language, 2) try to solve a problem in that language |
| 23:26.56 | thebigdog | _psychic_, i have used them alot with search boxes on sites |
| 23:27.02 | _psychic_ | hm |
| 23:27.04 | _psychic_ | nifty |
| 23:27.10 | mgeary | that's really all you can do. If you don't try to solve a problem, but just read/hear/talk about a language, you'll never internalize it |
| 23:27.11 | thebigdog | so that i change theirs and use google instead to search their site |
| 23:27.20 | influx^^ | mgeary: I understand what you're getting at. |
| 23:27.37 | thebigdog | influx^^, i complete a project or 2 with it |
| 23:27.44 | influx^^ | I've recently been thinking about learning the particular way a particular language works first. |
| 23:27.49 | influx^^ | Then learning the "vocabulary". |
| 23:27.53 | thebigdog | i can just start hacking unless i have something to accomplish |
| 23:28.05 | thebigdog | i dont even do that |
| 23:28.09 | mgeary | right |
| 23:28.15 | thebigdog | i just try and solve a problem |
| 23:28.17 | mgeary | you've *got* to have a problem to solve |
| 23:28.18 | thebigdog | then research it |
| 23:28.28 | influx^^ | I was just curious. |
| 23:28.34 | thebigdog | as you solve it and research you will pick up stuff |
| 23:28.40 | thebigdog | reading the docs and trial and error |
| 23:28.48 | influx^^ | murr? |
| 23:29.00 | thebigdog | however as dataw0lf has said and i will always state you need a good software background |
| 23:29.04 | influx^^ | Magic word: Challenge. |
| 23:29.17 | influx^^ | So programming in C would be helpful? |
| 23:29.22 | mgeary | once you've gotten a basic handle on the language, THEN you can read the docs and gain much more. Re-reading the PHP function list every few months is a great idea |
| 23:29.27 | influx^^ | C or any other software language. |
| 23:31.04 | influx^^ | Well, I was really just considering taking a linguistic approach recently. |
| 23:31.21 | influx^^ | sorta |
| 23:31.24 | influx^^ | sorta linguistic |
| 23:32.09 | dataw0lf | I dunno, it's been too long since I had to learn a programming language where I didn't already have a firm grasp of programming and engineering principles |
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| 23:38.36 | swb | have you guys heard of leadlander.com? |
| 23:39.00 | wps | nope |
| 23:39.06 | mindjuju | nope |
| 23:39.24 | swb | trying to find out pricing, but seems impossible to get them on the phone |
| 23:39.38 | influx^^ | Still trying to fill your shoes? |
| 23:39.39 | swb | this site mentions $1900/year: http://www.directimpactnow.com/leadgentools/leadgentoolsdirectory.html |
| 23:39.39 | wps | I wouldn't use them then if it were me |
| 23:40.08 | wps | if you have to work that hard to get their business then their product probably sucks and their support is sure to be awful |
| 23:41.05 | swb | they've emailed my top execs who want me to immediately install a js tracking code and I'm quite suspicious |
| 23:41.18 | swb | wps, mind if I email ya about it? |
| 23:41.40 | dataw0lf | I've worked for lead generation companies |
| 23:41.40 | mindjuju | teirra , you around? |
| 23:41.42 | wps | no, I guess… I don't know them from Adam though |
| 23:41.53 | dataw0lf | generally they will increase both your conversion and leads. |
| 23:42.01 | swb | I just want to see what you think about their email |
| 23:42.06 | wps | ah |
| 23:42.07 | wps | sure |
| 23:42.18 | wps | I'd be happy to look |
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| 23:52.01 | swb | wps, just sent the email, would be interested to see what you think |
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| 23:58.01 | wps | hmm… not much to glean from that email |
| 23:58.54 | wps | like I typed a few lines back… I wouldn't install anything until I new more about them and what they did… had a clear understanding of my options (who is their competition)… completely understood their pricing… etc |
