| 00:01.19 | justingiboney | if i have a file named sqlscript.sql, what is the correct mysql syntax, I tried "mysql cookbook2_development sqlscript.sql" and it is not working (where cookbook2_development is the name of the db and I am in the directory where sqlscript.sql is located) |
| 00:01.41 | beandog | mysql < foo.sql |
| 00:03.00 | justingiboney | that gave me back a -> prompt |
| 00:03.03 | justingiboney | now what |
| 00:03.21 | beandog | oh whoops. |
| 00:03.23 | beandog | I read that wrong |
| 00:03.25 | beandog | just open a prompt |
| 00:03.26 | justingiboney | lol |
| 00:03.29 | beandog | and do \e /tmp/foo.sql |
| 00:03.31 | beandog | or whatever it is |
| 00:03.34 | beandog | /? |
| 00:03.46 | justingiboney | how do i get out of that prompt? |
| 00:04.46 | justingiboney | okay i got out, so what is the "\e" |
| 00:06.30 | SunSparc | Take you out of the prompt loop. \c will usually take you out of any prompt loop you get into. |
| 00:07.03 | justingiboney | \e |
| 00:07.17 | mindjuju | can't you just do |
| 00:07.17 | mindjuju | mysql <db_name> -u<user> -p<pss> <mysql.sql |
| 00:07.28 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 00:09.31 | beandog | except that passing your password as an argument is pretty dumb |
| 00:09.43 | justingiboney | how can i do it without sending it? |
| 00:09.45 | beandog | especially since even with the redirect it'll still prompt for it |
| 00:12.09 | SunSparc | He left before I could answer him. |
| 00:12.42 | beandog | SunSparc, youre just not fast enough |
| 00:12.58 | SunSparc | Curse my metal body! |
| 00:13.19 | mindjuju | yeah c3p0 |
| 00:13.28 | SunSparc | :) Bingo |
| 00:13.54 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:15.46 | mindjuju | http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2005/handlesc9.jpg |
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| 00:16.21 | justingiboney | I think I killed mysql |
| 00:16.30 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 00:16.39 | SunSparc | mindjuju: LOL |
| 00:16.47 | SunSparc | That picture was just funny |
| 00:16.47 | justingiboney | now when i type in mysql I get this: -bash: mysql: command not found |
| 00:17.10 | fungus | That means it's not in your path |
| 00:17.16 | fungus | or not installed |
| 00:17.17 | SunSparc | Even if you killed mysql, the command should still be found |
| 00:17.26 | justingiboney | well mysql is on |
| 00:17.32 | justingiboney | i just can't get to it |
| 00:17.35 | fungus | is mysql-client installed? |
| 00:17.41 | SunSparc | Type the full path to it. |
| 00:18.07 | justingiboney | what is the full path? |
| 00:18.18 | SunSparc | Depends on your system |
| 00:18.22 | fungus | depends on where you installed it to. |
| 00:18.29 | justingiboney | i thought you would say that |
| 00:18.33 | SunSparc | Some examples could be |
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| 00:18.44 | SunSparc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.09 | SunSparc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.11 | SunSparc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.21 | SunSparc | But it really could be anywhere |
| 00:19.35 | SunSparc | I think the default is the first, but I am not sure |
| 00:19.59 | optikal | Depends on the distro and if you compiled it or use a package manager. |
| 00:20.01 | justingiboney | it is in /usr/local/mysql |
| 00:20.08 | justingiboney | i think |
| 00:20.10 | optikal | But yeah, usr/local/mysql is most common. |
| 00:20.25 | justingiboney | there is nothing called mysql in there |
| 00:20.39 | optikal | justingiboney: What distro and how was it installed? |
| 00:20.46 | justingiboney | mac 10.4 |
| 00:21.23 | optikal | I don't touch macs, so you got me there. |
| 00:21.34 | SunSparc | then you probably used a package? |
| 00:21.39 | justingiboney | probably |
| 00:21.59 | SunSparc | Like this one: http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/mysql/ |
| 00:22.29 | justingiboney | but it was working just a minute ago, i did force quit out of terminal once, but i don't remember why |
| 00:22.35 | Black_Chaos | ~lart macnewbold's FreeBSD |
| 00:22.35 | jbot | gives macnewbold's FreeBSD a good seeing to |
| 00:22.58 | Black_Chaos | lame |
| 00:23.01 | Black_Chaos | ~lart macnewbold's FreeBSD |
| 00:23.01 | jbot | raises middle finger to macnewbold's FreeBSD |
| 00:23.05 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:23.07 | justingiboney | so how did i lose my path to mysql |
| 00:23.21 | mindjuju | black_chaos, try ~timattack FreeBSD |
| 00:23.26 | macnewbold | ~timattack mindjuju |
| 00:23.27 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to chase mindjuju! |
| 00:23.27 | SunSparc | try typing: sudo mysql |
| 00:23.33 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 00:23.34 | fungus | ~praise FreeBSD |
| 00:23.34 | jbot | All hail FreeBSD! |
| 00:23.39 | macnewbold | ~praise fungus |
| 00:23.40 | jbot | All hail fungus! |
| 00:23.40 | Black_Chaos | ~timattack FreeBSD |
| 00:23.41 | jbot | ACTION get's Ash's chainsaw and starts to go postal on FreeBSD! |
| 00:23.46 | mindjuju | ~macattack macnewbold |
| 00:23.47 | jbot | ACTION mixes nitrate, cellulose and acide to make nitor manite and lobs it at macnewbold... Boom ! |
| 00:23.54 | macnewbold | ~asplode Black_Chaos |
| 00:23.55 | jbot | Black_Chaos head asplode, k thx |
| 00:24.08 | SunSparc | justingiboney: Even better, try typing: sudo which mysql |
| 00:24.10 | mindjuju | ~nosepick macnewbold |
| 00:24.10 | jbot | ACTION plucks macnewbold out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 00:24.30 | fungus | justingiboney: is the command line tool is located at /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql ? |
| 00:24.43 | fungus | Does it work typing the complete path? |
| 00:24.55 | justingiboney | fungus, let me see |
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| 00:25.40 | beandog | bueno. |
| 00:25.41 | beandog | me ir. |
| 00:26.19 | macnewbold | chao |
| 00:26.28 | justingiboney | typing sudo in front seems to work, but the password doesn't |
| 00:26.51 | fungus | sudo isn't required generally. |
| 00:27.12 | macnewbold | if you're running it as root it will try to use root's mysql acct, which may have a different password |
| 00:27.30 | fungus | /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql -u root -p |
| 00:27.38 | SunSparc | justingiboney: yes, the password to sudo is the admin account |
| 00:27.43 | fungus | that should prompt you for the root password in the mysql server. |
| 00:28.16 | justingiboney | sorry i was typing mysql's password not the machines password |
| 00:28.21 | justingiboney | hold on |
| 00:28.35 | fungus | forget sudo, that is just adding a layer of complication |
| 00:28.37 | justingiboney | no that didn't work |
| 00:28.54 | fungus | /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql -u root -p |
| 00:29.06 | fungus | Then type the MySQL root password. |
| 00:29.11 | justingiboney | okay typing the whole path works |
| 00:30.24 | justingiboney | is there a way to fix the path so that I don't have to type the whole path in? |
| 00:30.24 | fungus | Next, to shortcut typing the whole path, you have 2 choices. Modify your PATH environment variable, or linking mysql to an existing path |
| 00:30.46 | fungus | ln -s /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql /usr/local/bin |
| 00:31.17 | justingiboney | permission denied, sudo? |
| 00:31.17 | fungus | That command will require sudo |
| 00:31.21 | justingiboney | thanks |
| 00:31.51 | justingiboney | thanks that worked |
| 00:47.37 | timinator | later guys.... I'm out |
| 00:54.49 | stderr | mmm, good song |
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| 01:50.04 | SunSparc | Good evening everyone. |
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| 03:04.11 | uzbek | hi everyone! |
| 03:04.24 | uzbek | $classname = "Book"; $fields = $classname::$fields; is giving paranayim nekudotayim:) what is wrong here? |
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| 04:59.42 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 04:59.51 | mindjuju | sup |
| 04:59.56 | dataw0lf | evenin! |
| 05:00.08 | mindjuju | just listenign to pink floyd - pulse on this side |
| 05:00.11 | mindjuju | what about you? |
| 05:01.16 | dataw0lf | about to dive into some Django |
| 05:02.11 | influx^^ | hola data |
| 05:02.23 | influx^^ | I mean, hollah |
| 05:02.51 | mindjuju | hola is hola |
| 05:05.02 | dataw0lf | influx^^: sup |
| 05:05.19 | influx^^ | nm |
| 05:05.33 | influx^^ | Forcing myself to write a blog post. |
| 05:05.40 | influx^^ | You? |
| 05:06.36 | dataw0lf | working on the new incarnation of Dead Places |
| 05:07.03 | influx^^ | Excellent. |
| 05:07.13 | influx^^ | I was hoping it wasn't going to remain comatose. |
| 05:07.19 | influx^^ | err, it wouldn't* |
| 05:07.27 | influx^^ | ...remain... comatose. |
| 05:07.42 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 05:07.45 | influx^^ | Would you think me an English major? |
| 05:08.10 | dataw0lf | Meh. At least you can spell. |
| 05:08.34 | influx^^ | That's unpossible! |
| 05:12.10 | influx^^ | I need a topic on which to write. |
| 05:12.39 | influx^^ | Someone suggest something. |
| 05:13.34 | mindjuju | what kind of blog is it? |
| 05:13.51 | mindjuju | personal, political, educational, ... |
| 05:14.50 | influx^^ | That's yet to be determined. |
| 05:15.09 | influx^^ | It's an exercise in writing/thought. |
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| 05:16.55 | mindjuju | whew, Comfortably Numb has got to be one of the best songs ever |
| 05:17.04 | mindjuju | k, a topic |
| 05:18.39 | influx^^ | Something that likely hasn't been written about at any great legnth. |
| 05:18.41 | influx^^ | length* |
| 05:19.47 | mindjuju | influx^^ |
| 05:19.48 | mindjuju | http://chrisbrogan.com/100-blog-topics-i-hope-you-write/ |
| 05:20.08 | mindjuju | course though, i'd prolly wrie on influx^^ : stories that shocked the nation! |
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| 05:20.19 | mindjuju | ~tunafart utah_dave |
| 05:20.20 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to utah_dave, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 05:20.25 | mindjuju | ah yeah! |
| 05:20.55 | Utah_Dave | ~fan mindjuju |
| 05:21.05 | Utah_Dave | ~smack mindjuju |
| 05:21.05 | jbot | ACTION smacks mindjuju upside the head. |
| 05:21.09 | mindjuju | heh |
| 05:21.10 | Utah_Dave | how's it going? |
| 05:21.12 | mindjuju | sup yo |
| 05:21.48 | Utah_Dave | just got to Philly |
| 05:22.05 | mindjuju | man, i wish i traveled a little bit |
| 05:22.52 | mindjuju | hey influx^^ you should write a blog on the crazy things kim kommando says |
| 05:22.53 | Utah_Dave | my wife's just about sick of it. |
| 05:23.18 | mindjuju | yeah, not coming home for a few days would make mine mad too |
| 05:23.34 | mindjuju | I listen to Kim more for a "comedy hour" |
| 05:23.54 | mindjuju | she told some grandma the other day to get a laptop with 4G of ram so that she could watch her kid's videos and write emails, no joke |
| 05:25.04 | Utah_Dave | dang |
| 05:25.15 | mindjuju | yeah, it was nuts |
| 05:25.18 | Utah_Dave | and play Call of Duty 4 at the same time! |
| 05:25.41 | mindjuju | she also told some dude that his 802.11G router prolly went out and he should buy a new one, when he was having issues connecting |
| 05:26.29 | Utah_Dave | we should come up with some crazy scenarios or questions and try to get on her show! |
| 05:26.45 | mindjuju | true, troubleshooting grandpa's wireless sounds like an exercise in futility, but she should at least say, talk to a tech in your area |
| 05:26.50 | Utah_Dave | I think my wireless router has a virus... |
| 05:27.11 | Utah_Dave | Actually, i could use some real question people have asked me. |
| 05:27.24 | mindjuju | like what? |
| 05:27.42 | Utah_Dave | "I was working on my document, then my mouse bounced. And then my document disappeared. I didn't do anything else, I swear" |
| 05:27.57 | Utah_Dave | Gotta watch out for the bouncing mouse |
| 05:28.03 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 05:28.57 | Utah_Dave | or how about how to scan a bunch of documents into pdf? |
| 05:29.05 | Utah_Dave | "Which documents?" |
| 05:29.41 | Utah_Dave | "The pdf files on my computer. I just printed them out and I need to scan them into pdf's so I can email them to someone" |
| 05:29.56 | Utah_Dave | i don't know there's tons of them |
| 05:30.07 | influx^^ | whoops |
| 05:30.10 | influx^^ | forgot this was here |
| 05:30.14 | mindjuju | oh man, that's nuts! |
| 05:31.08 | influx^^ | mindjuju: Thanks for the link. |
| 05:31.48 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
| 05:34.08 | influx^^ | "Turning Media Into A Business Card" |
| 05:34.10 | influx^^ | I like that one. |
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| 06:04.33 | influx^^ | mindjuju: You still there? |
| 06:04.37 | influx^^ | I decided to go with a haiku. |
| 06:04.42 | influx^^ | http://www.deadink.org/ |
| 06:04.55 | influx^^ | actually |
| 06:04.56 | influx^^ | hold on |
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| 06:05.24 | mindjuju | it's funny you say haiku, i was going to suggest prose |
| 06:06.12 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 06:06.21 | influx^^ | Oh? |
| 06:07.44 | influx^^ | ah |
| 06:08.22 | influx^^ | ok |
| 06:08.23 | influx^^ | done |
| 06:09.19 | influx^^ | gah |
| 06:09.25 | influx^^ | i keep going back and forth between two first verses. |
| 06:09.55 | influx^^ | There. |
| 06:11.17 | mindjuju | heh, reay for me to read then? |
| 06:11.41 | influx^^ | no |
| 06:11.43 | influx^^ | heh |
| 06:11.52 | influx^^ | I should spend a half hour on a haiku. |
| 06:11.57 | influx^^ | Really. |
| 06:12.02 | influx^^ | I need to be sick of it. |
| 06:12.08 | influx^^ | That way I can call it done. |
| 06:12.12 | influx^^ | Anyway, one more change, I hope. |
| 06:12.15 | mindjuju | or just call it First Draft haiku |
| 06:12.21 | mindjuju | and scribe it then leave it |
| 06:12.38 | mindjuju | make additional haiku as corrections, instead of revise |
| 06:13.06 | influx^^ | Good idea. |
| 06:13.10 | influx^^ | A+ |
| 06:13.14 | mindjuju | well, not mine, music composers did that |
| 06:13.28 | mindjuju | would write variants to music they wrote, but published all of it |
| 06:13.36 | influx^^ | :D |
| 06:13.45 | influx^^ | Who in particular? |
| 06:14.09 | influx^^ | I think this haiku is ambiguous enough. |
| 06:14.19 | mindjuju | beethoven had variants |
| 06:14.21 | mindjuju | mozart did |
| 06:14.40 | mindjuju | in fact, i'm going to go on a limb and say more often than not, it was the case |
| 06:14.42 | influx^^ | Something sonata in c minor, e major, etc. |
| 06:14.47 | influx^^ | brb |
| 06:14.48 | mindjuju | yup |
| 06:14.51 | mindjuju | slight tweaks |
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| 15:10.07 | timinator | morning |
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| 16:08.53 | thebigdog | morning all |
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| 16:44.59 | mindjuju | morning |
| 16:46.31 | jgiboney | good morning |
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| 16:54.24 | thebigdog | what a morning |
| 16:58.13 | herlo | its earlier here |
| 17:05.30 | jsmith | herlo: Then go back to bed |
| 17:05.39 | herlo | jsmith: cant |
| 17:05.46 | herlo | jsmith: its 9am here |
| 17:08.44 | jsmith | herlo: Then get to work! |
| 17:09.06 | herlo | I am |
| 17:17.30 | jgiboney | what is the mysql command to connect to a database? |
| 17:18.14 | jsmith | jgiboney: "use <database_name>;" |
| 17:18.32 | jgiboney | thanks |
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| 18:14.49 | wps | my clicker-finger is pooped |
| 18:15.35 | optikal | Wash your hands man. |
| 18:15.52 | wps | pooped as in tired |
| 18:21.36 | thebigdog | anyone here use paily.com for CCs |
| 18:22.55 | mindjuju | how can a person who doesn't use his voice at work call in sick with a sore throat? |
| 18:23.18 | mindjuju | i mean, if it was herlo, that's understandable, he's a trainer |
| 18:23.37 | mindjuju | but a desk jockey? |
| 18:23.56 | mindjuju | who doesn't even talk that much to begin with? |
| 18:24.25 | optikal | I encourage people who are sick, esp with cold/flu to stay home for the first few days... it's far better to have to take on their workload from them calling in sick, then fighting it and coming in and then getting half the office sick and causing a waterfall effect. |
| 18:25.46 | jsmith | optikal: Amen! Everybody should just work from home! |
| 18:26.21 | optikal | Yeah. It's really nice having the option to telecommute when you're sick... you can still get your workload done, and you keep your germs at home. |
| 18:27.49 | jsmith | optikal: It's even better to be able to telecommute every day ;-) |
| 18:28.46 | optikal | Yeah... while that would be nice, I think I'd get sick of it after awhile. I enjoy getting out of the house and mingling with the co-workers. Plus, with my new job, I can't really telecommute every day with doing hands on server administration stuff. |
| 18:29.19 | jsmith | mindjuju: Oh, you've got a henchman now? |
| 18:30.45 | thebigdog | mindjuju, cause he might not want to get others sick |
| 18:30.55 | thebigdog | that is a huge issue with me is when peeps come in and work sick |
| 18:31.19 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i thought you got rid of your padawan |
| 18:31.24 | mindjuju | jsmith, have henchman, overall much better than the person before |
| 18:31.46 | mindjuju | yeah, this guy is really good |
| 18:32.48 | jsmith | +1 for a really good henchman |
| 18:36.55 | mindjuju | ugh, why do i even try to be a win sysadmin ? |
| 18:37.25 | SunSparc | You are a masochist? |
| 18:37.42 | mindjuju | must be, simply must be |
| 18:38.06 | SunSparc | ~cookie mindjuju |
| 18:38.42 | mindjuju | combined with the Adobe PDF exploits and other stuff, its a wonder any winders computer isn't a zombie at least twice over |
| 18:38.59 | SunSparc | Who says they aren't. :) |
| 18:40.00 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:40.29 | unum | good thing I never did anything important on that computer... |
| 18:40.40 | unum | actually I broke it yesterday |
| 18:40.40 | mindjuju | physically broke? |
| 18:40.49 | thebigdog | so no one here uses paily then? |
| 18:40.50 | mindjuju | like with c4 or something? |
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| 19:10.20 | timinator | what does everyone have their PHP memory limit set to?? |
| 19:10.42 | timinator | I've got 2G of Ram |
| 19:10.47 | timinator | any recommendations? |
| 19:11.20 | tierra | it's per script btw, and highly dependant on what your running and how many concurrent connections are typically up |
| 19:11.36 | timinator | lots of data, few connections |
| 19:11.48 | tierra | but I usually leave it at 8MB, or whatever the default is... I think it's 8MB |
| 19:11.56 | timinator | k |
| 19:12.11 | tierra | I only bump it to 16MB for special circumstances |
| 19:13.00 | tierra | if you're using over 16MB, your scripts could probably be optimized |
| 19:22.21 | timinator | what about execution_time and input_time?? |
| 19:23.45 | tierra | I don't touch either of those, except in my scripts themselves |
| 19:24.21 | tierra | i.e. timeouts are bumped up for scripts whose jobs are intentionally CPU/time intensive |
| 19:24.59 | tierra | as well as say, the scripts making CC processing requests to Authorize.net... |
| 19:25.26 | timinator | I have several of those.... like a script that pulls 6mo worth of sales orders, and pairs them with shipping reports and production reports and market data |
| 19:25.29 | timinator | whew |
| 19:26.02 | tierra | fun |
| 19:26.04 | timinator | so, if I'm loading 5MB of data from the DB, how much more Ram will the script need? |
| 19:26.16 | thebigdog | i usually run 32mb |
| 19:26.22 | timinator | k |
| 19:26.33 | thebigdog | and then exec time is like 90sec |
| 19:27.01 | timinator | ya, I think that's where I need to be |
| 19:27.01 | thebigdog | anything over that then i usually look at a cron to run or optimize it |
| 19:27.28 | tierra | yeah, that kind of sounds like the type of job that should be cron'd to run nightly or something to do your reports |
| 19:27.30 | thebigdog | memory you need to fine tune |
| 19:27.48 | thebigdog | i know tons of apps out there that use alot especially for session stuff |
| 19:27.53 | tierra | rather than re-running everytime someone wants to look at the report |
| 19:28.14 | thebigdog | caches are good too |
| 19:28.16 | timinator | so it does the math each night, and stores the values that I use when people are requesting the page |
| 19:28.17 | thebigdog | to help with load |
| 19:28.28 | tierra | yep |
| 19:28.28 | timinator | caches? |
| 19:28.51 | timinator | client side?? |
| 19:29.49 | timinator | I don't follow..... do you have a link describing that? |
| 19:39.20 | dataw0lf | no caches of your 'dynamic' data |
| 19:39.45 | dataw0lf | rather than a script running every time it's requested, you can cache the results |
| 19:44.29 | tierra | caches, as in, every programmer's best friend regardless of language |
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| 20:28.49 | mgeary | hey |
| 20:29.32 | mgeary | can anyone running apache with multiple virtual hosts (with their own log files) do a lsof for me and confirm that each fork of httpd has a separate lsof listing for the logfile for each virtual host? |
| 20:29.50 | mgeary | that seems logical, but are these really counting as separate open files? |
| 20:29.59 | mgeary | i'm getting some "too many files open" messages |
| 20:39.49 | SunSparc | mgeary: I can confirm that. |
| 20:40.04 | SunSparc | Each pid has a long list of files with it. |
| 20:42.09 | mgeary | ok |
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| 21:06.30 | cyco|dad | http://www.bobandkelsey.com/blog/?p=14 |
| 21:07.27 | thebigdog | ok i have a css question |
| 21:07.42 | orsonj | shoot |
| 21:07.49 | thebigdog | how do you center and align elements in a div |
| 21:07.58 | thebigdog | i want it centered and valign middle |
| 21:08.19 | unum | text-align:center |
| 21:08.24 | unum | works for everything on ie |
| 21:08.42 | thebigdog | firefox is not doing it |
| 21:08.48 | unum | with ff you may have to use margin-left:auto |
| 21:08.52 | unum | and margin-right:auto |
| 21:08.54 | thebigdog | ok |
| 21:08.55 | orsonj | The only way I've seen that done is with some incredible hacks. |
| 21:09.00 | thebigdog | let me try that |
| 21:09.06 | unum | those belong to the elements not the div |
| 21:09.20 | optikal | Horizontal centering is easy, vertical centering is a major pita... but as orson said, there are some pretty crazy hacks you can dig up on google. |
| 21:09.22 | SunSparc | cyco|dad: Congrats |
| 21:09.24 | orsonj | left-right centering is easy, its the up-down centering that is problem |
| 21:09.32 | cyco|dad | thanks SunSparc.. |
| 21:09.32 | unum | the fact that text-align:center works on ie is considered a bug |
| 21:09.53 | optikal | cyco|dad: Congratulations man! Awesome to hear everything went well, and she's adorable. |
| 21:10.18 | cyco|dad | thanks dude.. yeah she is.. |
| 21:10.36 | mindjuju | cyco|dad congrats! where be the pics? |
| 21:10.44 | optikal | mindjuju: See link above. |
| 21:10.48 | orsonj | The easiest way is to cheat and use a single cell table instead of a div. |
| 21:10.50 | cyco|dad | there should be a link on that blog entry |
| 21:11.02 | cyco|dad | i'm putting some more up right now too.. |
| 21:11.16 | orsonj | but, I believe there are some css only hacks that do it also. |
| 21:11.28 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 21:11.56 | thebigdog | yeah vertical align elements in a div sucks |
| 21:12.00 | thebigdog | gratz cyco|dad |
| 21:12.05 | thebigdog | first one? |
| 21:12.18 | cyco|dad | my wife's first.. my 4th.. |
| 21:12.22 | cyco|dad | man i'm getting old.. |
| 21:12.30 | optikal | How old is old, anyhow? |
| 21:12.34 | cyco|dad | 36 |
| 21:12.43 | optikal | werd. I figured mid 30s. |
| 21:12.49 | mindjuju | whew! i'm just turning 35 in june |
| 21:13.00 | optikal | Making me feel all super young, he. |
| 21:13.02 | optikal | *heh. |
| 21:13.04 | mindjuju | after 35, it's all gone |
| 21:13.16 | cyco|dad | haha.. |
| 21:13.17 | mindjuju | jk |
| 21:13.19 | cyco|dad | yeah i feel it man.. |
| 21:13.27 | optikal | I'm 23, after all. |
| 21:13.32 | cyco|dad | just a kid.. |
| 21:13.46 | optikal | hah. |
| 21:13.55 | optikal | Compared to an old man like you, yeah. :P |
| 21:14.07 | cyco|dad | i can still hold my own though.. :) |
| 21:14.17 | optikal | I surely won't argue that. |
| 21:15.45 | mindjuju | mgeary, you're only 34, aren't you? |
| 21:15.56 | mgeary | ahh, to be 34... sadly, no |
| 21:16.03 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:16.06 | mindjuju | oh, thought you were my age |
| 21:16.12 | mgeary | turned 37 in Dec |
| 21:16.16 | thebigdog | now comes the trips down memory lane |
| 21:16.29 | thebigdog | dang mgeary is a viejo |
| 21:16.36 | mindjuju | yeah, no kidding |
| 21:16.51 | mgeary | yep |
| 21:17.06 | mindjuju | even though josephscott and i are the same age, he's got me beat on memory lane. i started BBSing on a 1200 baud, he was on a 300 |
| 21:17.21 | mindjuju | :( |
| 21:17.32 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:17.36 | josephscott | back when radio shack actually sold computers |
| 21:17.43 | optikal | hehe. I started off on a 1200 as well. |
| 21:17.44 | mindjuju | ah, the old tandy |
| 21:17.52 | wps | ~lart kettle corn |
| 21:17.52 | jbot | crushes kettle corn with a full height scsi disk |
| 21:17.59 | mgeary | written in BASIC |
| 21:18.00 | optikal | But I was running my own 4-line BBS in my bedroom at my parents house when I was 12. |
| 21:18.27 | josephscott | I think this was probably my first system with a modem: http://oldcomputers.net/trs100.html |
| 21:18.48 | mindjuju | 4 node BBS? that's freakin awesome! |
| 21:18.55 | josephscott | still miss hacking on WWIV sometimes. |
| 21:19.02 | mindjuju | there were only a handful of multinode BBS in houston |
| 21:19.23 | optikal | mindjuju: hehe my parents about shat when they gave me my own line, and then a month later I asked for 2 more lines and that I'd pay for 2mos upfront and keep it paid 2mos in advance at all times... then I needed a 4th a month after that. |
| 21:19.30 | optikal | It was quite the popular little place. |
| 21:19.48 | mindjuju | hilarious! |
| 21:19.54 | mindjuju | what was it called? |
| 21:19.56 | optikal | I had a killer file area too... all 2x170MB hds fulll of stuff. |
| 21:19.59 | optikal | DarkSun BBS |
| 21:20.22 | mindjuju | we were thinking about starting one, but never did |
| 21:20.25 | thebigdog | man i hate v.align in divs |
| 21:20.28 | mindjuju | was going to call it atomic void |
| 21:20.28 | optikal | http://bbslist.textfiles.com/801/ |
| 21:20.50 | optikal | It was actually 1995-1997, but didn't really take off til 96 when it became multinode and I incorporated tiered subscription |
| 21:21.30 | josephscott | 96, oh man, that puts you at the younger end of the curve :-) |
| 21:21.37 | optikal | Setup FIDOnet right after that and things got crazy. |
| 21:21.48 | mindjuju | ah FIDOnet |
| 21:21.49 | optikal | hehe yeah... born in 84~ |
| 21:24.10 | josephscott | Hmmm, trying to remember how many BBS's I'd been on had pulled the plug by then. started sending WWIVNET packets over the internet to save on the phone bill |
| 21:25.04 | josephscott | mosaic, then you were a late comer ;-) |
| 21:25.17 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:25.29 | SunSparc | was on a mission til 94 |
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| 21:25.39 | SunSparc | missed some of the fun |
| 21:26.55 | josephscott | there are so many cool things going on now, hard to believe how far things have come and how much potential for things to continue to grow/get better |
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| 21:28.27 | mindjuju | too bad you missed DR DOS |
| 21:28.31 | mindjuju | i really liked it |
| 21:28.46 | mgeary | woah. flashback |
| 21:28.51 | SunSparc | OS Warp was fun |
| 21:28.54 | mindjuju | though, i'd really have to think about why i liked it more than MS DOS, but i remember preferring it |
| 21:29.05 | cyco|dad | where are all my cp/m buddies.. seems like they're all disappearing these days.. |
| 21:29.14 | orsonj | Funny thing is, my parents were still using that same computer till just a couple years ago. |
| 21:29.19 | cole_joplin | Dr DOS, how quaint |
| 21:29.26 | cole_joplin | I used that |
| 21:29.29 | mindjuju | dude, you know you loved DR DOS |
| 21:29.52 | mindjuju | then MS rigged winders 3.x to not work on DR DOS |
| 21:29.59 | josephscott | trip'n down memory lane |
| 21:30.59 | cole_joplin | One of the first Microsft dirty tricks that went unchallenged |
| 21:30.59 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 21:32.04 | cole_joplin | I actually did some development on Warp, dude |
| 21:32.14 | cole_joplin | now I feel really old |
| 21:32.33 | mindjuju | i saw OS/2 warp, but didn't run it |
| 21:33.09 | josephscott | I liked OS/2 |
| 21:33.32 | cole_joplin | it was actually a good OS, but MS marketing had become a powerhouse |
| 21:33.46 | cole_joplin | I rmember the unveiling at COMDEX in vegas |
| 21:33.55 | josephscott | I remember a guy who ran OS/2 without the GUI (presentation manager), and that thing was fast |
| 21:33.56 | SunSparc | Yeah, warp was sweet, but came to late to beat MS |
| 21:34.03 | cole_joplin | People were knicknaming the show "Windex" |
| 21:34.47 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:35.25 | cole_joplin | OS/2 was a great OS, very solid, but just didn't make business sense after a while |
| 21:41.41 | orsonj | not one of those annoying talking head flash ads I hope |
| 21:42.03 | wps | how would I construct a SQL query that matches all records with an ID between ## and ## ? |
| 21:42.45 | mgeary | BETWEN |
| 21:42.45 | mgeary | *EEN |
| 21:42.55 | mgeary | or does that only work on dates? |
| 21:43.04 | wps | like this? |
| 21:43.07 | dataw0lf | select * from table where id between 1 and 20 |
| 21:43.11 | wps | between(#,#) |
| 21:43.15 | wps | ah |
| 21:43.16 | mgeary | anyway, where id > 200 AND id < 300 |
| 21:43.35 | wps | thanks |
| 21:43.37 | dataw0lf | mgeary: no, between works for any numeric value |
| 21:44.37 | mgeary | thought so |
| 21:48.03 | SunSparc | A cool sql feature that is similar to BETWEEN is IN. |
| 21:48.12 | SunSparc | For future reference |
| 21:49.25 | SunSparc | For example: UPDATE table_name SET field1='somevalue' WHERE field2 IN (x, y, n...) |
| 21:49.29 | mgeary | yeah, IN is great |
| 21:49.38 | mgeary | use it all the time |
| 21:50.06 | SunSparc | Very handy |
| 21:53.45 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: or, an even cooler example: select * from table where (field1, field2) in (select some_field, another_field from table2 where another_field = 'blah') |
| 21:53.58 | dataw0lf | subqueries + in is swell |
| 21:54.09 | SunSparc | Yeah, that is sweet |
| 21:54.20 | SunSparc | Quite powerful |
| 21:55.06 | SunSparc | Sub-selects alone are cool, but using them with IN is downright useful. |
| 22:03.34 | jsmith | Yeah, but depending on your database (and your indices), they can be a drag on performance |
| 22:06.06 | SunSparc | yeah yeah |
| 22:06.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:07.21 | SunSparc | Use the right tools for the right tasks. Not every task needs the same tool. |
| 22:08.31 | unum | I have a bunch of subselects for a certain page and it takes FOREVER |
| 22:08.41 | unum | but I don't know that there's a faster way to do it |
| 22:11.32 | _psychic_ | cache the data? |
| 22:11.58 | mgeary | are you certain all your subselects are using indices properly? |
| 22:15.49 | unum | no I'm not certain |
| 22:15.50 | thebigdog | wps you around? |
| 22:16.03 | thebigdog | or any css gurus |
| 22:16.11 | thebigdog | im using css to do my image hovers |
| 22:16.20 | unum | I don't think I can cache the data seeing as how I want it updated frequently |
| 22:16.26 | thebigdog | is there a way to preload them |
| 22:16.35 | thebigdog | preload the hovers |
| 22:17.30 | wps | yes |
| 22:17.32 | wps | there are two optinos |
| 22:17.43 | wps | put it as a background image for some other div that is display none |
| 22:17.59 | wps | or, even better, have your on state and hover state in the same image and then just shift their position on hover |
| 22:19.24 | thebigdog | like z position |
| 22:19.53 | thebigdog | wps you have an example of that last one |
| 22:20.08 | wps | background-position: top left |
| 22:20.08 | wps | vs |
| 22:20.11 | wps | background-position: bottom left |
| 22:20.20 | wps | so, if you image is 20 x 20 pixels |
| 22:20.35 | wps | make it 40 x 20 and have the default on top and the hover on bottom |
| 22:20.37 | wps | of the same image |
| 22:21.08 | mindjuju | the same way arcades load sprites, one gif with many images, CSS shifts the gif up/down - left/right on a :hover trigger |
| 22:21.15 | mindjuju | beauty idea, wps. |
| 22:21.58 | thebigdog | k i will try it out |
| 22:22.55 | cole_joplin | it means some photo management, but it's a sound option |
| 22:24.14 | mgeary | the sprite approach is super economical |
| 22:27.49 | cole_joplin | Wade, I have an Omniture question |
| 22:28.20 | cole_joplin | are yopu guys hiring for PHP devs? |
| 22:28.25 | mgeary | hey |
| 22:28.37 | mindjuju | yeah, several here hiring PHP devs |
| 22:28.44 | mgeary | we're hiring a php dev. but you're not looking for yourself, are you, cole_joplin ? |
| 22:28.45 | mindjuju | wps is, mgeary is, olds is |
| 22:28.47 | cole_joplin | expanding? |
| 22:28.59 | cole_joplin | or replacing? |
| 22:29.04 | mgeary | expanding |
| 22:29.10 | mindjuju | oh and swb is |
| 22:29.20 | mgeary | it's been raining work |
| 22:29.26 | _psychic_ | we should have a developer auction |
| 22:29.35 | mindjuju | congrats to mgeary on his influx in business! |
| 22:29.43 | _psychic_ | mgeary: same here |
| 22:29.59 | cole_joplin | more jobs is a good thing |
| 22:30.06 | cole_joplin | very positive |
| 22:30.11 | mgeary | yep |
| 22:30.17 | mindjuju | php = sexy |
| 22:30.19 | mgeary | but you're dodging the question |
| 22:30.27 | cole_joplin | I know someone who is looking...mostly C++ |
| 22:30.41 | mgeary | what level are they at? |
| 22:30.47 | cole_joplin | but being recruited for "mostly php" at Ominture |
| 22:30.54 | cole_joplin | what should I tell him? |
| 22:31.17 | cole_joplin | or if that's not PC, nevermind |
| 22:31.28 | cole_joplin | it's no biggie |
| 22:32.02 | herlo | cole_joplin: hey |
| 22:32.16 | jsmith | Ah, the days of PHP and Omniture.... brings back memories |
| 22:32.46 | cole_joplin | I've been busy...good busy...fun busy |
| 22:33.23 | cole_joplin | my friend just got an email from Microsoft wanting to talk to him |
| 22:33.48 | herlo | cole_joplin: hmm, did he tell them to shove it, or is he a microsoftie at heart? |
| 22:34.07 | mindjuju | prolly running Pirate Vista |
| 22:34.08 | jsmith | herlo: Microsoft is buying everybody these days... |
| 22:34.18 | herlo | jsmith: I know, except google |
| 22:34.25 | tierra | except me... |
| 22:34.34 | jsmith | herlo: And (hopefully) Yahoo! |
| 22:34.36 | cole_joplin | I thought they were going to just invest offshore, mostly India |
| 22:34.52 | herlo | jsmith: Yahoo! turned down the initial offer, at least |
| 22:35.13 | cole_joplin | wow, after that market drop they had? amazing |
| 22:35.27 | optikal | herlo: By initial do you mean the one offered last week? |
| 22:35.30 | mindjuju | well, yahoo board thinks they can get 40 |
| 22:35.33 | herlo | optikal: yeah |
| 22:35.36 | optikal | Because that wasn't the "initial" offer... that was like the third offer. |
| 22:35.39 | mindjuju | so they didn't say no, they just said, not at that price |
| 22:35.43 | herlo | optikal: I know there was earlier discussion, but nothing formal |
| 22:35.53 | herlo | AFAIK |
| 22:36.01 | Black_Chaos | http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1068.html |
| 22:36.08 | Black_Chaos | thats how it went down for yahoo |
| 22:36.15 | cole_joplin | so, should I tell my firend to go ahead and talk to Omniture? opinions? |
| 22:36.24 | jsmith | herlo: The problem is that Yahoo! isn't rejecting the offer out of principle |
| 22:36.40 | jsmith | cole_joplin: Sure! |
| 22:37.04 | herlo | jsmith: I know, but that's the nature of the business |
| 22:37.32 | herlo | cole_joplin: I think they're a fine company |
| 22:37.32 | cole_joplin | herlo, he's not a zealot |
| 22:37.41 | herlo | cole_joplin: neither am I |
| 22:37.51 | mindjuju | black_chaos, that was awesome |
| 22:37.54 | olds | we'd like to bring on a mid-level php person |
| 22:39.02 | mindjuju | yeah, i represented for ya olds |
| 22:39.04 | cole_joplin | sorry, he's senior level, but you get what you pay for |
| 22:39.04 | unum | what defines mid-level? |
| 22:39.16 | olds | not junior, and not senior |
| 22:39.17 | olds | :) |
| 22:39.39 | jsmith | unum: Not making enough money to justify being a senior guy, but avoiding most of the n00b mistakes |
| 22:39.42 | cole_joplin | I'd say salary and experience |
| 22:39.50 | SunSparc | Someone who only has 20 signs of a lousy PHP programmer. |
| 22:39.55 | mgeary | that's what we want as well. Maybe a bit more on the junior side of the fence |
| 22:39.56 | jsmith | unum: (and not being dragged into enough meetings to justify being a manager) |
| 22:39.58 | cole_joplin | lol |
| 22:39.58 | unum | I guess I meant how many years |
| 22:40.01 | dataw0lf | mid-level is about 3 - 4 years |
| 22:40.05 | unum | dataw0lf: thanks |
| 22:40.21 | olds | some exposure to OOP |
| 22:40.22 | dataw0lf | 3 to 4 years total programming experience, I mean. |
| 22:40.27 | olds | you know, I'm not sure I'd define it like that |
| 22:40.29 | unum | I need to do more oop php |
| 22:40.36 | unum | I've done a lot of oop with c++ |
| 22:40.41 | olds | I don't really care if you have 2 years or 5 years |
| 22:40.58 | olds | I've met some really shitty programmers that have been doing it for 5+ years |
| 22:40.59 | unum | I use some oop php libraries, but have never written my own php classes |
| 22:41.02 | olds | oops |
| 22:41.05 | olds | sorry bout the language |
| 22:41.36 | dataw0lf | olds: true, but I'm talking up-to-snuff developers |
| 22:41.41 | olds | yea |
| 22:41.48 | olds | that's the most important thing |
| 22:41.51 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 22:42.34 | olds | we interviewed a kid that couldn't figure out an off by 1 problem we gave to him |
| 22:42.47 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 22:42.54 | jsmith | olds: I interviewed people that couldn't concatenate two strings in PHP |
| 22:42.58 | olds | it was the first (and last) problem we gave him in an interview |
| 22:43.01 | olds | wow |
| 22:43.03 | olds | that beats mine |
| 22:43.21 | jsmith | I interviewed people that didn't understand that PHP could be used to do web programming... |
| 22:43.28 | olds | huh |
| 22:43.36 | jsmith | Yup... |
| 22:43.41 | olds | usually people don't understand it can't be used to do cli stuff |
| 22:43.47 | olds | not the other way around |
| 22:43.55 | jsmith | ... and these are people who passed the resume test |
| 22:44.54 | unum | on a version of rhel we used to use the php engine always kicked out some xml version stuff that made it inconvient for cli stuff |
| 22:45.05 | unum | but I think I figured out how to remove it |
| 22:45.09 | jsmith | php -q |
| 22:45.45 | unum | how ever I may be convinced to commute |
| 22:45.46 | jsmith | So, the real question is this: How many of you have run "php -l some_script.php" before |
| 22:46.00 | unum | I don't think I have |
| 22:46.13 | olds | don't know the options off the top of my head |
| 22:46.26 | unum | I have switch to perl for all my cli stuff, not that that's been a great idea.... |
| 22:46.43 | unum | I understand perl 6 will finally have a switch statement |
| 22:46.58 | unum | actualy the new version that just came out has one I Mean |
| 22:47.06 | dataw0lf | jsmith: meh, nowadays when I dive into PHP I have Zend Studio |
| 22:47.32 | olds | I'm using Komodo IDE lately |
| 22:47.41 | olds | not sure I like it more |
| 22:47.57 | dataw0lf | I used Komodo for Python and PHP for a while |
| 22:48.00 | _psychic_ | olds: how much does it cost? |
| 22:48.07 | olds | $99 EDU |
| 22:48.27 | olds | I think it's normally $250 or something insane |
| 22:48.28 | unum | it needs to be more effecient |
| 22:48.45 | _psychic_ | I don't like Zend Studio - too slow |
| 22:49.00 | unum | I use blue fish... |
| 22:49.01 | olds | Komodo has better syntax checking for the languages it supports (a lot of them) |
| 22:49.03 | SunSparc | vim is really fast |
| 22:49.09 | unum | yes it is |
| 22:49.15 | dataw0lf | yea that was my chief complaint a while back with Zend, but when I started using it again, I haven't had any problems. |
| 22:49.33 | olds | Zend's lack of js syntax checking also slightly annoyed me |
| 22:49.47 | dataw0lf | yea, that's a problem. |
| 22:50.03 | SunSparc | I used BlueFish for a while and liked it but started using Quanta and liked it better |
| 22:50.15 | dataw0lf | ew to both BlueFish and Quanta |
| 22:50.30 | SunSparc | Kate is a nice text editor |
| 22:50.34 | olds | I've never heard of Quanta |
| 22:50.46 | SunSparc | Coda is just plain sexy, but not an IDE |
| 22:50.58 | dataw0lf | WingIDE is the greatest IDE ever |
| 22:51.00 | SunSparc | Textmate has some nice features. |
| 22:51.00 | dataw0lf | but it's Python |
| 22:51.19 | olds | one of my coworkers recently switched from Zend to textmate |
| 22:51.35 | olds | and since then he's committed at least one obvious syntax bug per week |
| 22:51.46 | olds | like forgot a comma between elements in an array |
| 22:51.47 | SunSparc | I played with TextWrangler but it did not appeal to me. |
| 22:52.09 | SunSparc | Eclipse just plain rocks. |
| 22:52.18 | olds | Eclipse is nice for Java |
| 22:52.30 | olds | I've never liked it for any other language |
| 22:52.36 | SunSparc | But I always go back to vim for quick stuff. |
| 22:53.01 | olds | I've never become comfortable with vim |
| 22:53.15 | olds | I always end up pressing some key I'm not supossed to |
| 22:53.19 | SunSparc | It is a good tool for your belt |
| 22:53.19 | olds | and things explode |
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| 22:53.57 | SunSparc | Speaking of asplode: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail94.html |
| 22:54.19 | orsonj | yep, knowing vi is just handy because there is always some form of it on any *nix box. |
| 22:54.42 | olds | yea |
| 22:54.48 | olds | I with I knew it better |
| 22:58.01 | mindjuju | wow, talk about the Empire Strikes Back - http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080211/aqm241.html?.v=2 - microsoft says they are moving forward with Yahoo merger |
| 22:58.50 | olds | consummate a transaction? |
| 22:58.57 | olds | is yahoo some sort of prostitute? |
| 22:59.04 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:59.12 | olds | odd wording |
| 22:59.44 | beandog | As we have said previously, Microsoft |
| 22:59.44 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.44 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.44 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.48 | beandog | sounds just like MS. |
| 22:59.55 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 23:00.05 | mgeary | we reserve the right to force you to see that what we're doing is for your own good |
| 23:00.15 | beandog | thats how I read it |
| 23:00.40 | olds | well, they'll just go to the stakeholders |
| 23:00.41 | mindjuju | yahoo should have a "pitch in for a bro" fund |
| 23:00.57 | olds | err shareholders |
| 23:01.03 | mindjuju | i'd throw them a couple of bills though i haven't used them in years, except as a portal to AP news wire |
| 23:01.25 | beandog | can I have a few bills? |
| 23:01.57 | beandog | rawk |
| 23:06.54 | PoeticIntensity | Microsoft is a bully. |
| 23:07.13 | PoeticIntensity | All I can say is, look what has historically happened to bullies. |
| 23:07.17 | PoeticIntensity | the future isn't too bright. |
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| 23:08.01 | beandog | but |
| 23:08.08 | beandog | Microsoft is a trusted name in the office and the home. |
| 23:08.09 | beandog | :) |
| 23:08.22 | beandog | ~pr |
| 23:08.24 | SunSparc | Bullies tend to cause a lot of pain, but in the end they always get overthrown. |
| 23:08.42 | mgeary | nah. |
| 23:08.43 | beandog | Or just grow up and terrorize neighborhood children by throwing empty beer bottles at them. |
| 23:08.52 | mgeary | they usually just fizzle out, but it can take a while |
| 23:09.02 | mgeary | look at Carnegie |
| 23:09.50 | mgeary | now if M$ gets into nano- and bio-tech, then we can start to get scared |
| 23:14.17 | mindjuju | oh crap |
| 23:14.22 | mindjuju | MS Clone |
| 23:14.35 | mindjuju | can you imagine if you got a clone of yourself and it got the BSOD in the eyes? |
| 23:14.42 | mindjuju | how do you reboot a clone? |
| 23:14.46 | mgeary | or it killed you? |
| 23:14.48 | mindjuju | kick it in the butt? |
| 23:14.56 | beandog | what a horrible movie. |
| 23:14.59 | mindjuju | give it the 3 finger salute ? |
| 23:15.00 | beandog | cute chick, though. |
| 23:15.41 | mindjuju | i can see it now, we'll have 2 camps like we have today |
| 23:15.55 | beandog | that's it, I'm moving to Canada. |
| 23:16.01 | mindjuju | iCone for the mac people, and it will be hawt like some Klaudia shiffer |
| 23:16.10 | mindjuju | and MS Clone will look like Rosie odonel |
| 23:20.41 | SunSparc | Then we could made them duke it out |
| 23:21.13 | SunSparc | And call it, "The Clone Wars", or something... |
| 23:22.09 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:22.24 | beandog | can I have a lightsaber? |
| 23:22.53 | SunSparc | Is your name Luke? |
| 23:23.17 | beandog | if that gets me a lightsaber, sure |
| 23:23.21 | beandog | :) |
| 23:23.29 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:23.32 | SunSparc | done |
| 23:52.33 | SunSparc | One thing I really like about the bluetooth mighty mouse is that it can work on one battery or two. |
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| 23:53.19 | macnewbold | nice |
