| 00:00.01 | thebigdog | ouch |
| 00:00.03 | thebigdog | no go |
| 00:18.21 | timinator | I'm out guys... later all |
| 00:19.33 | mindjuju | k, it's just freakin' crazy how good apache web server is |
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| 00:22.08 | herlo | mindjuju: funny thing about that is, it started out as "A Patchy Webserver" |
| 00:22.13 | herlo | seriously |
| 00:22.22 | swb | thebigdog: yes, I think there are a few actually |
| 00:22.33 | mindjuju | you know what the next question is though |
| 00:22.52 | mindjuju | if Apache is this good on windows, what is apache like on linux? |
| 00:23.17 | herlo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server |
| 00:23.19 | mindjuju | sure, i've run small stuff on ubuntu, but this apache install i'm using in production |
| 00:23.39 | herlo | mindjuju: you aren't running linux? shame on you :) |
| 00:24.14 | herlo | mindjuju: apache 2 was actually rebuilt to better support windows |
| 00:24.32 | mindjuju | well, it runs like a champ |
| 00:24.48 | mindjuju | everything is intuitive, its fast and peppy |
| 00:25.41 | herlo | if you like apache for its speed, try lighttpd |
| 00:25.57 | herlo | its faster and more peppy, scales almost as good |
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| 00:33.48 | mindjuju | peppy web servers rock |
| 00:33.53 | fungus | but lighttpd is more complex in setting up PHP |
| 00:34.54 | fungus | but for simple static content, lighttpd totally rocks. |
| 00:35.23 | PoeticIntensity | man.... today is shot. |
| 00:35.23 | fungus | or for serving more complex stuff like RoR. |
| 00:35.30 | PoeticIntensity | thank heavens its over. |
| 00:35.46 | swb | TGIAF |
| 00:35.52 | swb | thank goodness it's almost Friday |
| 00:36.00 | PoeticIntensity | I told my boss that my computer is slow today in our "review".... :) |
| 00:36.09 | fungus | my head has been buried in Oracle crud all day. ugh. |
| 00:36.23 | PoeticIntensity | he authorized me to get a new one.... So... I decided to build my own. |
| 00:36.30 | SunSparc | Night all! |
| 00:36.38 | PoeticIntensity | How in the world am I supposed to get any work done when I know what's gonna be comin' in the mail tomorrow? |
| 00:37.05 | fungus | Nice! |
| 00:37.08 | PoeticIntensity | I'm gonna be tryin' out the new Phenom 9600 :) |
| 00:37.15 | PoeticIntensity | I know the Intel quad core is faster, but I don't care. |
| 00:37.16 | PoeticIntensity | I like AMD. |
| 00:37.17 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 00:37.46 | PoeticIntensity | He also let me get a (get this) 8800GT video card. |
| 00:37.52 | fungus | I'm an AMD fan too, but until they get back in the lead, I gotta go Intel for now. |
| 00:37.56 | PoeticIntensity | looks like I'll be playing a few games -ahem- after hours. |
| 00:38.49 | PoeticIntensity | fungus, where is your spine? ;-) |
| 00:39.06 | fungus | spine? me? lol |
| 00:39.13 | PoeticIntensity | Even knowing the numbers, going to Intel would almost be akin to going to... *gulp* Windows.... :) |
| 00:39.37 | fungus | I'm a CPU whore, I'll go wherever I can get da speed! |
| 00:39.42 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:39.42 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 00:39.51 | PoeticIntensity | well... hopefully AMD pulls itself out. |
| 00:39.59 | fungus | agreed |
| 00:40.21 | PoeticIntensity | and my ~$200.00 purchase today hopefully helped em'. |
| 00:40.38 | fungus | Also Intel published open specs for drivers on their Graphics chipsets long before AMD/ATI. |
| 00:40.57 | PoeticIntensity | (nod) |
| 00:41.00 | PoeticIntensity | that was nice. |
| 00:42.07 | fungus | nice! |
| 00:42.17 | mindjuju | course, she's the queen of the 80s |
| 00:42.35 | mindjuju | very few things beat 80s Madonna |
| 00:43.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 00:43.52 | fungus | And even much of the 90s |
| 00:44.48 | mindjuju | that's v true, but i favor her 80s incarnation |
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| 00:45.53 | Jacob_Kerr | Hey guys |
| 00:46.31 | mindjuju | sup Jacob_Kerr |
| 00:46.49 | Jacob_Kerr | How can I read the type of error coming back from a MySQL server and know what type it is.. |
| 00:47.05 | Jacob_Kerr | Like if I get a duplicate entry error I want to rename etc.. |
| 00:47.37 | fungus | mysql_errno() |
| 00:47.45 | Jacob_Kerr | oh nice.. |
| 00:47.56 | Jacob_Kerr | Thanx man. |
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| 01:43.12 | mgeary | Gish is an awesome game |
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| 02:46.51 | mindjuju | tierra |
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| 02:49.18 | senorchamo_ | yo, mindjuju ... |
| 02:49.22 | senorchamo_ | This is PoeticIntensity |
| 02:49.30 | senorchamo_ | you around? |
| 02:49.33 | mindjuju | yup |
| 02:49.40 | senorchamo_ | looks like the transfer stopped... |
| 02:49.44 | senorchamo_ | but it's still connected. |
| 02:49.51 | senorchamo_ | it's just stalled. |
| 02:50.14 | senorchamo_ | looks like we're stalled at 2.23G |
| 02:50.28 | senorchamo_ | which is just shy of last night's transfer. |
| 02:50.40 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 02:51.45 | senorchamo_ | thanks, bud. |
| 02:52.05 | senorchamo_ | uh oh.... |
| 02:52.09 | senorchamo_ | looks like it *just* timed out. |
| 02:52.38 | senorchamo_ | still connected, though... I think.' |
| 02:54.06 | senorchamo_ | looks like wget supports resume... |
| 02:54.08 | senorchamo_ | lemme try. |
| 02:54.41 | senorchamo_ | ah.... won't let me connect. |
| 02:55.15 | mindjuju | k, try again |
| 02:55.44 | senorchamo_ | still won't connect. |
| 02:57.26 | senorchamo_ | hrm.... |
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| 03:00.46 | mindjuju | senorchamo - k, try again |
| 03:01.04 | senorchamo_ | k... it worked... |
| 03:01.10 | senorchamo_ | but upon resume, it says it finished the whole file. |
| 03:01.13 | senorchamo_ | how big is the 1st one? |
| 03:02.04 | mindjuju | 2.51 |
| 03:03.00 | senorchamo_ | ok.... |
| 03:03.01 | senorchamo_ | I'm an idiot. |
| 03:03.04 | senorchamo_ | they both finished. |
| 03:03.12 | senorchamo_ | but.... not like... "hey I'm finished"... |
| 03:03.19 | mindjuju | oh hey! cool! |
| 03:03.20 | senorchamo_ | it just stopped until it timed out. |
| 03:03.22 | senorchamo_ | yeah... |
| 03:03.32 | senorchamo_ | neither of the files work with video, though. |
| 03:03.36 | senorchamo_ | I'll tinker with that for a bit... |
| 03:03.40 | senorchamo_ | see what I can figure out. |
| 03:03.45 | senorchamo_ | thanks loads, mindjuju! |
| 03:03.48 | senorchamo_ | I'll talk to ya in a bit. |
| 03:03.49 | mindjuju | :) |
| 03:03.51 | senorchamo_ | (or tomorrow) |
| 03:13.09 | mindjuju | holy smokes! |
| 03:13.22 | mindjuju | huge lightning/thunder over here |
| 03:13.29 | mindjuju | second time i've seen thunder with snow |
| 03:14.02 | burnin | yep, heard it here too, sounded like it was traveling across the valley. |
| 03:14.18 | mindjuju | craziness! |
| 03:14.18 | senorchamo_ | heading south? |
| 03:14.39 | burnin | yeah, went from north to south |
| 03:15.23 | burnin | thought they brought a big snow plow down my street for a second, I was thinking 'huh?'. |
| 03:16.11 | mindjuju | i just saw the flash from my office |
| 03:16.51 | burnin | I have the blinds closed here in the home office, had to go look out the door to make sure the neighborhood was still there. |
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| 03:52.31 | mindjuju | tierra, you still around? |
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| 15:47.02 | jgiboney | hidden, since i don't have any |
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| 15:50.20 | timinator | morning guys! |
| 15:50.28 | jgiboney | good morning |
| 15:51.25 | influx^^ | mornin' |
| 15:52.06 | mindjuju | morning |
| 15:55.14 | influx^^ | Is anyone in here running IE 6? |
| 15:56.07 | jgiboney | i am not |
| 15:56.37 | jgiboney | but i might have quick access to one, if you need me to |
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| 15:59.25 | influx^^ | k |
| 15:59.30 | influx^^ | give me a sec and i'll shoot a url |
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| 16:15.20 | influx^^ | http://www.hellofount.com/neutron/Fount/ |
| 16:15.29 | influx^^ | That's what I'd like to have someone using IE 6 check out. |
| 16:17.40 | influx^^ | Sorry abou tthe load times. |
| 16:17.47 | influx^^ | I'm not quite done with everything. |
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| 16:21.49 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: http://www.hellofount.com/neutron/Fount/ |
| 16:21.59 | influx^^ | Still working on it, but what do you think so far? |
| 16:22.08 | jgiboney | it seems to work in ie 6, but it is really slow |
| 16:22.16 | influx^^ | Yeah. That'd be the filesizes. |
| 16:22.36 | influx^^ | I'll be reducing them later. |
| 16:23.01 | influx^^ | I want each piece to transition to another when the link to the other is clicked on... in flash. |
| 16:23.10 | influx^^ | So, I'll be doing that later as well. |
| 16:23.16 | dataw0lf | influx^^: very nice |
| 16:23.21 | dataw0lf | you should do it in javascript |
| 16:23.38 | dataw0lf | and just degrade gracefully |
| 16:23.58 | influx^^ | I will, eventually. |
| 16:24.15 | influx^^ | Or maybe I'll just spend an afternoon doing it. |
| 16:26.43 | influx^^ | I'll be going to bed now. |
| 16:26.47 | influx^^ | Later. |
| 16:26.59 | dataw0lf | g'night |
| 16:59.41 | olds | hi there dataw0lf |
| 17:01.58 | olds | srsly influx where are you hosting this |
| 17:02.17 | dataw0lf | olds: sup |
| 17:03.37 | olds | how's reno? |
| 17:04.42 | dataw0lf | ok. getting married and moving back to SLC though |
| 17:05.01 | olds | married eh? |
| 17:05.06 | olds | how long you been dating? |
| 17:05.34 | dataw0lf | on and off for about a year and a half |
| 17:05.41 | dataw0lf | been living together for about 6 months |
| 17:05.48 | olds | ahh |
| 17:05.54 | olds | I still don't live with my gf |
| 17:06.09 | dataw0lf | hah |
| 17:06.14 | dataw0lf | same girl?? |
| 17:06.17 | olds | been dating for ... lets see... 3.5 years |
| 17:06.18 | olds | yup |
| 17:06.24 | dataw0lf | dang dude |
| 17:06.27 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 17:06.38 | olds | some day it'll happen |
| 17:06.52 | olds | but com4 is my wife/roomie for now and that's cool with me |
| 17:07.25 | olds | why are you moving back to slc? |
| 17:07.28 | dataw0lf | ehl oh ehl |
| 17:08.03 | dataw0lf | the tech industry in Reno is meh, and I'd like to live in a cheap area with the economy the way it is |
| 17:08.18 | olds | true |
| 17:08.31 | olds | when are you moving back? |
| 17:08.45 | olds | 50K? pffft |
| 17:08.53 | dataw0lf | April~ |
| 17:09.03 | olds | and we're in downtown SLC |
| 17:09.04 | dataw0lf | mgeary: applied to Guru Labs and got a response last night |
| 17:09.16 | mgeary | you gonna be working with herlo? |
| 17:09.21 | dataw0lf | maybe |
| 17:09.57 | dataw0lf | that type of travel and networking is hard to pass up |
| 17:10.03 | dataw0lf | and I've always been interested in teaching |
| 17:10.06 | dataw0lf | so... |
| 17:10.36 | mgeary | .... |
| 17:10.38 | dataw0lf | they do need people sooner, though |
| 17:10.40 | mgeary | .... a butcher |
| 17:10.48 | olds | oh that's nothin |
| 17:10.52 | dataw0lf | a butcher? nice |
| 17:11.11 | mgeary | irony is, he's probably our strongest applicant to date |
| 17:11.27 | olds | we're having a really hard time finding anyone for our frontend position |
| 17:11.31 | dataw0lf | I'm suspicious of web developers who have had to work a lot of non tech jobs |
| 17:11.36 | dataw0lf | it's pretty easy to find a web dev job |
| 17:11.41 | mgeary | especially today |
| 17:11.44 | olds | yea |
| 17:11.45 | dataw0lf | yea |
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| 17:12.01 | dataw0lf | yea no kidding |
| 17:12.52 | olds | if anyone knows of a frontend person, send them my way |
| 17:13.15 | mgeary | olds: meaning HTML/CSS/JS production? or Design, or....? |
| 17:13.40 | olds | let's start with HTML/CSS/JS |
| 17:13.49 | olds | ideally both, but that's probably not going to happen |
| 17:14.54 | olds | we have 3 backend people, and only me and one other guy have a clue about frontend but we're not that good at it |
| 17:15.24 | olds | we're crafty with jquery, but we suck at xhtml/css stuff |
| 17:15.29 | olds | just don't know all the quirks |
| 17:15.30 | mgeary | i may know someone. My Bro-in-law is looking for better opportunities, and i really try not to hire family. What salary range are you thinking? |
| 17:15.39 | olds | 40-60 |
| 17:15.44 | olds | K |
| 17:15.47 | dataw0lf | have you talked to influx, olds? |
| 17:15.52 | olds | yeap |
| 17:15.57 | olds | he came in for an interview |
| 17:16.03 | mgeary | mindjuju: what ever happened with your B-i-L? |
| 17:16.04 | olds | and we're definitely going to consider him |
| 17:16.15 | olds | but he's the only person we've interviewed |
| 17:16.26 | dataw0lf | HTML/CSS/JavaScript is insanely easy nowadays with FireBug |
| 17:16.29 | olds | and I'd like to get some more bodies through the door to try and find someone |
| 17:16.37 | dataw0lf | but yea, I don't really have an eye for HTML/CSS |
| 17:16.39 | olds | yea, but we all suck at design |
| 17:16.44 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 17:17.28 | olds | mgeary: we have medical,dental,vision, 401K, profit sharing(soon), etc |
| 17:17.44 | mgeary | see PM |
| 17:17.57 | olds | k |
| 17:18.41 | mgeary | you getting my PMs? |
| 17:18.50 | olds | yea |
| 17:18.52 | olds | I responded |
| 17:18.57 | mgeary | hrm |
| 17:18.59 | mgeary | didn't see the response |
| 17:19.01 | olds | oh |
| 17:19.07 | olds | I didn't register or whatever with linknet |
| 17:19.09 | olds | 1 sec |
| 17:19.10 | mgeary | ah |
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| 17:20.04 | olds | better ? |
| 17:20.49 | mgeary | yep |
| 17:20.50 | mgeary | thanks |
| 17:23.03 | mgeary | in that same vein, because i do have issues with hiring family, who all is hiring in the Utah Valley area? My B-i-L is currently managing a bunch of outsource PHP developers, but he's looking for a better opportunity. He's sort of part coder, part CSS/HTML, part project manager, and part QA |
| 17:23.32 | mgeary | he's prolly not advanced enough in PHP to go for your position, wps. unfortunately |
| 17:25.50 | olds | we're also looking for a good backend person, but that's a little less urgent than the frontend person |
| 17:26.54 | wps | send him over |
| 17:29.12 | wps | why is IE so stupid that it can't display a .css file in the browser? |
| 17:29.54 | jgiboney | because it is still exploring the internet, it hasn't understood it yet |
| 17:44.30 | mgeary | wps: yeah, i hate that. makes it harder to renew your cache |
| 17:45.56 | pelaofeliz | mgeary: we're hiring entry- to mid-level engineers: http://tinyurl.com/29zdbm |
| 17:46.49 | mgeary | pelaofeliz: thanks |
| 18:00.20 | olds | I looked at that Doba job |
| 18:00.27 | olds | too bad it's so far away :( |
| 18:17.52 | wps | why does Windows thing people want to be notified that there are unused icons on their desktop? |
| 18:18.50 | wps | think |
| 18:18.56 | wps | (sorry I suck at typing, fellas) |
| 18:19.12 | mgeary | has anyone been bit by this IE7 problem where you can't right-click to select multiple options in a multi-select box? http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=268436 |
| 18:19.40 | mgeary | it's apparently related to an issue with Nvidia video drivers, but that's just insane |
| 18:20.02 | mgeary | insane that there's no server-side/html fix. |
| 18:39.56 | wps | what's the best way/tool to test the download size of a page? |
| 18:40.14 | wps | including all included items (js, css, etc) and imagines included by them |
| 18:40.19 | dataw0lf | firebug will give that info |
| 18:40.27 | wps | hmm… we were just looking at firebug and didn't see it |
| 18:40.30 | dataw0lf | man I hate writing really good code and finding out it's not needed |
| 18:40.31 | wps | where in firebug? |
| 18:40.32 | mgeary | wps: have you seen YSlow? |
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| 18:40.42 | mindjuju | there is also a URL for a webservice that tells you estimated on various connection speeds |
| 18:40.58 | mindjuju | i think i may have bookmarked, let me check |
| 18:41.01 | dataw0lf | wps: the Net tab |
| 18:41.01 | wps | found it |
| 18:41.02 | wps | thanks |
| 18:41.11 | mindjuju | oh cool, k |
| 18:41.30 | orsonj | Tamper Data can show you some of that info too. |
| 18:41.43 | dataw0lf | yea, but FireBug shows it ALL to you |
| 18:41.47 | dataw0lf | it's in the Net tab |
| 18:42.16 | dataw0lf | it'll show you exact load speeds for ever non-local <img>, <script>, etc request |
| 18:42.20 | dataw0lf | every* |
| 18:42.34 | wps | it doesn't seem to be including the images linked to within style sheets |
| 18:43.17 | dataw0lf | really? mine does |
| 18:43.28 | tierra | if there's a request made for the image, it's there... is it hidden? |
| 18:43.29 | olds | turn on net monitoring |
| 18:44.16 | dataw0lf | should be enabled by default |
| 18:47.02 | orsonj | I like to use ip_relay.pl to try out web pages at slower speeds. Feeling the slowness is much more impressive than numbers. |
| 18:47.58 | mindjuju | hmm... wps took off |
| 18:48.13 | mindjuju | this isn't the one i mentioned earlier, but not to shabby neither - http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ |
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| 19:57.30 | mgeary | interesting approach to looking for clients: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=2620177&cat=18&lpid= |