| 00:00.09 | Black_Chaos | inner joins are different from left joins |
| 00:00.17 | Black_Chaos | they do completely different things |
| 00:00.31 | mgeary | an inner join is a left inner join by default |
| 00:00.50 | wps | look what I started |
| 00:02.16 | mgeary | in fact, it seems like a LEFT JOIN recently became a LEFT OUTER JOIN by default, which messed me up a couple of times. I now specify INNER JOIN instead of LEFT JOIN just to be more explicit. That the join is a left join is assumed |
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| 00:23.27 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
| 00:35.24 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 01:00.57 | macnewbold | when mgeary comes back, someone might want to let him know that a left join has always been a left outer join, and an inner join is fundamentally different from a left join, since it is always an inner join rather than a left, right, or full outer join |
| 01:01.21 | macnewbold | inner join only has rows that have matching parts in both tables (call them A and B) |
| 01:01.47 | macnewbold | left [outer] join has rows from A, whether or not they have a match in B, and all the rows that are in the inner join |
| 01:02.35 | macnewbold | right join is same but with the opposite tables, and a full outer join (not supported by some databases) has all the rows from the left join plus all the rows from the right join (each of which already included all the rows from the inner join) |
| 01:02.53 | macnewbold | it's like a Venn diagram - inner is a subset of left or right, and full outer is all of them |
| 01:03.12 | macnewbold | or if you prefer, inner join is the intersection between left outer and right outer joins |
| 01:03.32 | macnewbold | so Black_Chaos was right when he was correcting mgeary |
| 01:03.38 | macnewbold | and it is all wps' fault |
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| 03:44.19 | beandog__ | holars |
| 03:44.25 | herlo | rsimpkins: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html |
| 03:44.29 | herlo | beandog__: hi |
| 03:44.30 | beandog__ | meh, stupid nick. |
| 03:44.50 | herlo | beandog__: you know how to ghost your old nick right? |
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| 03:45.02 | beandog__ | meh |
| 03:45.03 | beandog__ | oh well. |
| 03:45.04 | beandog__ | :) |
| 03:45.27 | beandog | there we go. |
| 03:45.31 | herlo | beandog: its easy |
| 03:45.32 | herlo | hehe, yeah |
| 03:45.43 | herlo | nice |
| 03:45.51 | beandog | long day. |
| 03:45.53 | beandog | -_- |
| 03:46.01 | herlo | beandog: same here |
| 03:48.42 | beandog | herlo: where you at |
| 03:49.11 | herlo | vegas |
| 03:49.18 | beandog | ah nice |
| 03:49.35 | herlo | yeah, except I just eat subway and go to bed basically |
| 03:49.39 | herlo | no partying for me |
| 03:50.00 | beandog | poo |
| 03:50.02 | beandog | how long you there for |
| 03:50.11 | herlo | til friday |
| 03:50.18 | herlo | then I fly to LA for a week |
| 03:50.22 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 03:50.26 | beandog | I might be going to la this weekend |
| 03:50.27 | herlo | get to see my son though, bonus |
| 03:50.32 | herlo | beandog: scale? |
| 03:50.35 | beandog | yah |
| 03:50.36 | beandog | you going? |
| 03:50.38 | herlo | me too |
| 03:50.40 | herlo | yup |
| 03:50.43 | beandog | spot on |
| 03:50.48 | beandog | where you gonna be hanging |
| 03:50.50 | herlo | I've already booked my room |
| 03:50.53 | herlo | westin |
| 03:51.04 | beandog | yah I dont have one yet |
| 03:51.07 | herlo | I arrive Friday night |
| 03:51.19 | herlo | beandog: you could crash at my room if you like, maybe donate a few bucks |
| 03:51.31 | herlo | I think I've got two beds and I don't plan on beign there much anyway |
| 03:51.50 | beandog | herlo: yah? thatd be cool.... I havent made any plans yet |
| 03:52.02 | herlo | beandog: just pm'd you my number if you wanna |
| 03:52.07 | beandog | ok |
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| 16:02.52 | mindjuju | ~APB PoeticIntensity |
| 16:02.52 | jbot | ACTION calls Leland to stake out PoeticIntensity |
| 16:03.15 | mindjuju | morning gents |
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| 17:02.53 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you around? |
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| 17:11.55 | PoeticIntensity | ~ping mindjuju |
| 17:11.56 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 17:18.06 | synic | mindjuju: hybrid on ravetrax |
| 17:18.09 | synic | aah yeah. |
| 17:47.45 | thebigdog | i guess mindjuju is sleeping at the keyboard again |
| 17:55.31 | herlo | woohoo f9-Alpha is available |
| 18:03.41 | mgeary | F9? |
| 18:03.59 | wps | one of the keys in the upper-right of his keyboard has been fixed |
| 18:04.38 | SunSparc | I use F9 all the time. |
| 18:04.53 | SunSparc | Shows me all of my windows at once. |
| 18:05.05 | wps | me too… mine mutes my music |
| 18:05.21 | SunSparc | So very handy |
| 18:06.57 | SunSparc | I wonder if F9 would be similar to R8? |
| 18:07.00 | SunSparc | http://www.audiusa.com/audi/us/en2/new_cars/Audi_R8.html |
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| 18:43.42 | timinator | could someone hit this in IE for me: http://ithinkiknowitall.com/ ? Tell me if there are google ads on the sides or Amazon ads please?? |
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| 19:04.02 | fungus | Google ads on the sides, amazon at the bottom of the sidebar |
| 19:08.43 | orsonj | I don't see either ads :) (using ff with noscript) |
| 19:09.34 | orsonj | My favorite thing about these new fangled high fancy active super ad systems. They are easy to break. |
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| 19:10.16 | dataw0lf | http://metaatem.net/selcolor.php |
| 19:11.25 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 19:11.26 | jbot | ACTION hires Duane Lee to spray mace at thebigdog |
| 19:11.33 | mindjuju | ~APB PoeticIntensity |
| 19:11.34 | jbot | ACTION summons Beth to rough up PoeticIntensity |
| 19:11.34 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you here now |
| 19:11.38 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:11.44 | mindjuju | heck of a day, let me tell you |
| 19:11.47 | mindjuju | heck of a day |
| 19:12.27 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, that link you sent over is awesome! |
| 19:13.53 | dataw0lf | yea, pure CSS |
| 19:14.05 | PoeticIntensity | yo, mindjuju, I'm here now. |
| 19:14.43 | PoeticIntensity | wow, dataw0lf.... |
| 19:14.48 | PoeticIntensity | that's pretty sick. |
| 19:18.12 | burnin | so if I use the mail() function to send mail through a relay and I want responses to go to the email account on the relay do I just set the sendmail_from PHP ini setting to the address of the email account on the relay? |
| 19:21.41 | burnin | dataw0lf, so do you have a script to auto generate a page like that, or was it done by hand? :) |
| 19:22.14 | dataw0lf | burnin: not mine |
| 19:24.51 | optikal | So I'm digging around for some awesome 3rd party website monitoring... anyone have any recommendations? |
| 19:25.16 | thebigdog | what type of monitoring? |
| 19:25.39 | optikal | thebigdog: Just basic http/https/pop3/smtp, possibly scripted transaction tests, performance tests, server load tests |
| 19:26.02 | thebigdog | that is testing though |
| 19:26.15 | thebigdog | you could do your own with nagios |
| 19:26.36 | optikal | We already have Nagios setup, but we'd like a third party service as well to backup our personal results and to get results from around the world. |
| 19:26.38 | thebigdog | transaction tests you could run selenium |
| 19:27.14 | thebigdog | i have not researched that out for 3rd parties |
| 19:27.23 | tierra | so, next time you need a local SMTP relay, and no local delivery, use postfix... I've learned my lesson |
| 19:27.41 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:27.47 | thebigdog | what did you do tierra? |
| 19:27.53 | dataw0lf | postfix++ |
| 19:28.07 | thebigdog | i love postfix |
| 19:28.17 | thebigdog | postfix + dovecot |
| 19:28.19 | optikal | Yeah. We've got in-house testing down pat, but just need something to backup our in-house results incase someone complains and tries to blame it on our testing methods or whatever. |
| 19:28.21 | thebigdog | you cant beat that |
| 19:28.45 | tierra | well, I had trouble getting exim going without attempting to deliver locally |
| 19:29.29 | tierra | and then played with sSMTP for a while, enough to get it all working, and then realize that I don't have a SMTP relay to use that doesn't rewrite From addresses |
| 19:31.23 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:34.00 | timinator | TY fungus and orsonj |
| 19:35.01 | fungus | What does dovecot have that courier-imap doesn't? |
| 19:36.45 | orsonj | ~ping PoeticIntensity |
| 19:36.45 | jbot | pong PoeticIntensity |
| 19:36.57 | PoeticIntensity | yo, orsonj |
| 19:37.06 | orsonj | is ilovemyjournal up? |
| 19:37.09 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 19:37.16 | PoeticIntensity | comcast is givin' me grief. |
| 19:37.38 | orsonj | ok, I was wondering. I was looking at something, then it disappeared |
| 19:37.48 | PoeticIntensity | what time? |
| 19:37.51 | orsonj | just now |
| 19:37.53 | PoeticIntensity | minutes ago? |
| 19:37.55 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 19:38.24 | orsonj | I guess about 10-15 minutes ago |
| 19:38.29 | PoeticIntensity | ok |
| 19:38.37 | PoeticIntensity | ergh... |
| 19:38.49 | PoeticIntensity | my wife doesn't wanna reset the modem, and AFAIK, that's the only way to get it back up. :) |
| 19:39.01 | PoeticIntensity | so... looks like it will wait until I get home from work. |
| 19:39.03 | PoeticIntensity | :-T |
| 19:39.15 | orsonj | no problem |
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| 19:40.59 | orsonj | PoeticIntensity: try this out in your userContent.css: http://rafb.net/p/nDTM6C80.html |
| 19:41.27 | orsonj | improves the readability of scriptures.lds.org |
| 19:41.38 | PoeticIntensity | interesting... |
| 19:41.55 | PoeticIntensity | I think I might just do that... |
| 19:41.57 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, orsonj. |
| 19:42.14 | orsonj | I was about to post that to the journal, but I can do it at home tonight. |
| 19:42.25 | PoeticIntensity | aw, man... sorry. |
| 19:42.50 | orsonj | don't worry about it. Maybe I'll actually do some work while I'm at work. |
| 19:43.03 | PoeticIntensity | isn't that the truth. |
| 19:44.24 | orsonj | heh, It is ...related... to work. ...css, web dev... :) |
| 19:44.35 | PoeticIntensity | but of course! |
| 19:44.56 | influx^^_ | http://a777.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/42/m_4a0f7aea1ee152c8398c9cc54ea9db68.gif |
| 19:45.34 | orsonj | The superscript replacement style is worth looking at even for those not interested in scriptures.lds.org |
| 19:48.59 | pelaofeliz | optikal: we use gomez for remote monitoring -- the do distributed monitoring & alerts, you can write your own test scripts, etc. We just use the basic features, but they've worked great for us, and the reporting is good. |
| 19:49.25 | optikal | pelaofeliz: Nice. Thanks. |
| 19:50.28 | optikal | So far from what I've dug up the most likely candidates are dotcom-monitoring.com, alertsite.com and webmetrics.com. |
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| 20:05.44 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 20:05.45 | timinator | If I change an HTTP user/password while the user is logged on to a webpage w/ that HTTP auth..... would it kick them off on the next page reload??? |
| 20:05.54 | beandog | mindjuju: yo |
| 20:05.58 | beandog | playing with NFTL |
| 20:06.00 | beandog | whee! |
| 20:06.02 | beandog | or is it NTFL |
| 20:06.20 | beandog | Either way, I expect to quickly brick my flash filesystem. |
| 20:07.18 | mindjuju | timinator, you may want to ask dataw0lf or fungus on that, but my understanding is that it would knock them off if their http user / pass was changed after they logged in with it |
| 20:08.14 | fungus | IIRC, it does kick them off because the Authentication header is passed with every request. |
| 20:08.32 | timinator | cool |
| 20:08.59 | mindjuju | but that was my answer too |
| 20:09.05 | mindjuju | ^5 fungus |
| 20:09.18 | timinator | oh |
| 20:09.28 | timinator | ^5 mindjuju and fungus |
| 20:09.54 | mindjuju | ^5 |
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| 20:34.13 | Jacob_Kerr | Wuz uP! |
| 20:39.43 | mgeary | hey wps |
| 20:39.51 | wps | hey |
| 20:43.46 | mgeary | hey folks, just a heads-up, that it appears we're going to try to hire an additional PHP developer |
| 20:44.26 | mgeary | this might be a great opportunity for one of the more junior people here |
| 20:44.59 | mgeary | we don't need a superstar, we just need a hard worker who's willing to expand upon their understanding of OOP |
| 20:45.03 | mindjuju | influx^^_ was looking a little while ago, don't know if he still is |
| 20:45.30 | mindjuju | but now that i think about it, your operation is setup in Orem |
| 20:45.36 | mgeary | we are |
| 20:46.37 | mindjuju | its a good time to be a PHP dev with 3 really good positions depending on skillset |
| 20:47.57 | influx^^_ | ? |
| 20:48.14 | influx^^_ | :( |
| 20:48.17 | mindjuju | mgeary is posting a junior level PHP position |
| 20:48.22 | influx^^_ | Gah. |
| 20:48.25 | influx^^_ | I like. |
| 20:48.45 | influx^^_ | But, dangit. I think getting a car may be a good idea now. |
| 20:48.49 | mgeary | influx^^_: where are you? |
| 20:48.58 | influx^^_ | Downtown SLC. |
| 20:49.03 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:50.00 | mindjuju | brb gents |
| 20:50.39 | influx^^_ | http://www.findinternettv.com/Video,item,793354302.aspx |
| 20:50.40 | influx^^_ | err |
| 20:50.43 | influx^^_ | sorry bout that guys. |
| 20:50.49 | influx^^_ | Meant to paste it somewhere else. |
| 20:53.41 | PoeticIntensity | ~ping orsonj |
| 20:53.42 | jbot | pong orsonj |
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| 21:01.07 | orsonj | pong PoeticIntensity |
| 21:01.20 | PoeticIntensity | it's back up. |
| 21:01.24 | orsonj | ok |
| 21:01.26 | PoeticIntensity | not sure what happened, but.... it's up. |
| 21:02.03 | orsonj | looks good from my end |
| 21:31.14 | mgeary | hey wps |
| 21:31.25 | mgeary | if i'm on a list, do i automatically have a login to uphpu.org? |
| 21:31.33 | wps | no |
| 21:31.36 | mgeary | k |
| 21:31.44 | wps | the website and the mailing lists are completely separate |
| 21:32.30 | wps | I have enhanced the website registration for recently however so that new users are automatically subscribed to the mailing lists (unless they deselect the checkbox) |
| 21:32.43 | wps | s/for// |
| 21:32.54 | wps | thank you, jbot |
| 21:34.29 | wps | so, I have always been taught that you only use _REQUEST if you absolutely need to be able to accept the value from multiple sources and you are sure that it won't be a security problem |
| 21:35.10 | wps | specifically, you never use _REQUEST to pick things up out of a post because people can send the values in via the get |
| 21:35.32 | wps | someone just told me though that that is paranoia and that you might as well just always use _REQUEST |
| 21:35.50 | wps | because if someone wanted to hack you they can easily fake a post |
| 21:35.57 | mgeary | well |
| 21:36.01 | mgeary | "easily" is relative |
| 21:36.11 | mgeary | 99% of the internet audience couldn't do it |
| 21:36.12 | wps | faking a post seems like it would be a lot more work than adding some value pairs to a URL |
| 21:36.18 | wps | right |
| 21:36.23 | mgeary | but there's also the elegance of your architecture |
| 21:36.28 | mgeary | you'd like to know where the values are coming from |
| 21:36.33 | wps | I think using _REQUEST willy-nilly is foolish |
| 21:36.36 | mgeary | agreed |
| 21:37.04 | mgeary | so, on the job posting form on the site |
| 21:37.51 | mgeary | it's a pretty fine distinction between "required skills" and "required experience". Yes, i know semantically there's a significant difference, but given the context it seems to be splitting hairs to me |
| 21:38.11 | wps | that's fine… just put a period in the other box so that the form submits :) |
| 21:42.07 | wps | your review of the form is good though… I have thought the same thing before and have considered updating it and combining some of the textareas |
| 21:44.25 | wps | good luck |
| 21:44.29 | wps | ;( |
| 21:45.21 | wps | I have found 90% of my jobs through the list but it isn't working for me now that I am on the other side of the hiring table |
| 21:45.35 | wps | jbot, wedgie the list |
| 21:45.35 | jbot | ACTION hangs the list from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 21:48.17 | SunSparc | Everyone must have jobs they love at the moment. |
| 21:48.36 | wps | but they can't be as cool as working with me |
| 21:48.47 | SunSparc | True that. |
| 21:48.58 | SunSparc | Hmmm, perhaps the planets are mis-aligned... |
| 21:49.13 | SunSparc | Yep! |
| 21:49.15 | wps | the fact that jsmith used to grace these halls should be enough to make anyone come running |
| 21:49.53 | dataw0lf | I'm probably moving back to Salt Lake with my girlfriend in ~9 months |
| 21:50.13 | dataw0lf | still too early to look for jobs though |
| 21:50.27 | SunSparc | Or perhaps everyone is waiting to see who will win the primary elections and decide whether to start building their bomb shelters or sigh in relief. |
| 21:51.13 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 21:52.11 | mgeary | eeh. the primaries are a no-brainer, imo |
| 21:52.33 | dataw0lf | mgeary: let's hope so |
| 21:52.51 | mgeary | they're the most electable from each party |
| 21:53.07 | beandog | ~pick mindjuju |
| 21:53.07 | jbot | ACTION carefully extracts the boogers from mindjuju's nose and feeds them to olds |
| 21:53.14 | SunSparc | mindjuju: that was probably the best pick |
| 21:53.17 | wps | I heard some lady said she wasn't going to vote for McCain because she didn't like his neck |
| 21:53.27 | mgeary | he's got some serious cheeks |
| 21:53.30 | _psychic_ | lack of one, you mean |
| 21:53.34 | mindjuju | beandog, that was hilarious, didn't know about that one |
| 21:53.45 | mindjuju | didn't vote because of no neck? |
| 21:53.46 | beandog | :) |
| 21:54.42 | mgeary | but not for McCain |
| 21:54.47 | mgeary | heh. i wasn't allowed to ;) |
| 21:54.54 | dataw0lf | who? Obama? |
| 21:55.00 | mgeary | yup |
| 21:55.04 | dataw0lf | holla! Good job. |
| 21:55.23 | _psychic_ | are democratic primaries closed? |
| 21:55.24 | mgeary | most logical choice, imo (obviously) |
| 21:55.27 | mgeary | no |
| 21:55.34 | mgeary | at least, not in Utah |
| 21:55.41 | _psychic_ | GOP ones are afaik |
| 21:55.45 | mgeary | which is good, because for some reason, they've got me listed as unaffiliated |
| 21:55.58 | wps | I'm afraid McCain's going to die |
| 21:55.59 | mgeary | yeah, GOP are, hence the "not allowed" snark above |
| 21:56.34 | dataw0lf | man if Barack can pull off winning the nomination, it's on. |
| 21:56.45 | _psychic_ | naw it's probably over |
| 21:56.54 | _psychic_ | don't think the GOP will win this run - almost regardless |
| 21:57.11 | dataw0lf | well it's funny because Barack will pull the same move Reagan did |
| 21:57.20 | dataw0lf | pull in a lot of the other party |
| 21:57.35 | dataw0lf | plus sweep independents, even if he does run against McCain |
| 21:58.55 | mgeary | i'd go for Obama/Edwards for a ticket |
| 21:59.22 | dataw0lf | but yea, the GOP wasn't on good footing to begin with, the fracturing the party has seen during the primaries, they're pretty much screwed. |
| 21:59.37 | dataw0lf | I'd go for an Obama/Richardson ticket |
| 21:59.41 | dataw0lf | mmmm, that'd be swell |
| 21:59.53 | mgeary | yeah, that would be good |
| 22:00.07 | mgeary | i liked Richardson |
| 22:00.09 | dataw0lf | or maybe Biden, even though I'm meh about him |
| 22:00.12 | mgeary | but he never had much chance |
| 22:00.13 | dataw0lf | yea, I really like Richardson |
| 22:00.15 | wps | I have a general problem with the democratic view in that everything I hear is that they want to make government too big and too controlling |
| 22:00.21 | wps | I don't want the US to be a russia |
| 22:00.21 | dataw0lf | he'd make a swell Secretary of State or V.P. |
| 22:00.27 | dataw0lf | wps: What, like Bush? |
| 22:00.30 | wps | our government needs to be smaller and less involved not bigger |
| 22:00.43 | wps | I'm not saying like anyone |
| 22:00.45 | mgeary | yeah, the government's MUCH less involved now |
| 22:00.55 | _psychic_ | who cares who it's like |
| 22:00.55 | dataw0lf | Bush has done more to bloat the government then anyone in recent history |
| 22:00.56 | mgeary | what with PATRIOT and all |
| 22:00.56 | _psychic_ | party people |
| 22:01.13 | _psychic_ | s/party/partisan |
| 22:01.13 | dataw0lf | I don't really care for either the "democratic" or "republican" stances |
| 22:01.17 | dataw0lf | which is why I like Obama |
| 22:01.31 | _psychic_ | how does he cross those traditional lines? |
| 22:01.41 | wps | every time I hear a democratic candidate speaking they say things like I will make it so that you are guaranteed health car and jobs |
| 22:01.52 | wps | I don't want a government guaranteeing that |
| 22:01.53 | dataw0lf | it's not whether he crosses the traditional lines on his individual viewpoints, it's whether he'll work with the other party. |
| 22:01.57 | wps | I believe in a free economy |
| 22:02.07 | beandog | free, baby |
| 22:02.08 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: so he has a "democratic stance." |
| 22:02.20 | mgeary | wps: it can't be a free economy when you've got the healthcare industry *writing the bills* for congress |
| 22:02.21 | _psychic_ | wps: then get rid of the fed :) |
| 22:02.23 | mgeary | how is that free?? |
| 22:02.25 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: his healthcare plan is more republican than most. |
| 22:02.43 | wps | that should be stopped, mgeary |
| 22:02.54 | dataw0lf | all of his plans incorporate both sides of the aisle |
| 22:02.58 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: "Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All" isn't very republican |
| 22:03.02 | wps | I know the answers aren't simple |
| 22:03.12 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: but "unmandated coverage" is. |
| 22:03.29 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: not sure what you mean |
| 22:03.50 | dataw0lf | have you even read or heard any details about Barack's health care plan or are you just pulling h1 bullets? |
| 22:04.30 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I'm not pulling any bullets I'm asking questions |
| 22:04.34 | dataw0lf | I'm not willing to argue buzzword points from campaigns. |
| 22:04.38 | _psychic_ | sorry if it comes across as antagonistic |
| 22:04.43 | _psychic_ | just trying to understand |
| 22:05.07 | _psychic_ | my point was that universally available government healthcare is not very republican imho |
| 22:05.16 | dataw0lf | well you should read up on his plan. It's been attacked by Hillary and entrenched democrats et. all as being republican. |
| 22:05.33 | _psychic_ | reading it a bit now: the "National Health Insurance Exchange:" looks more friendly |
| 22:05.42 | dataw0lf | there you go |
| 22:05.51 | _psychic_ | I'm not knocking it |
| 22:05.53 | wps | barak's website is intense |
| 22:05.55 | dataw0lf | read about the policies rather than taking the media headlines |
| 22:06.01 | wps | I can't imagine how much he has spent on it |
| 22:06.06 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I'm not! |
| 22:06.14 | _psychic_ | I don't know much about it - it's why I ask |
| 22:06.19 | dataw0lf | You did! You quoted a headline from it |
| 22:06.29 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/ |
| 22:06.38 | _psychic_ | it's a heading from that page |
| 22:07.01 | _psychic_ | is that what you're talking about? |
| 22:07.08 | _psychic_ | "Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All" ? |
| 22:07.16 | dataw0lf | right, it's a bullet point that doesn't explain anything. And you're trying to argue it. |
| 22:07.41 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 22:08.20 | _psychic_ | do you think it's a republican ideal to have quality, affordable, government-provided healthcare that *everyone* qualifies for? |
| 22:08.24 | _psychic_ | or am I reading that wrong? |
| 22:11.42 | dataw0lf | I'm saying that Barack has made concessions towards the middle of the aisle in a variety of his positions, including healthcare. That includes saying he would NOT mandate healthcare |
| 22:12.12 | dataw0lf | and I'm saying that by quipping bullet points you just gloss over a candidate's real position |
| 22:12.28 | dataw0lf | I could say McCain is "PRO WAR" but that wouldn't describe his position on Iraq at all. |
| 22:12.49 | _psychic_ | I'm bringing them up for clarification's sake, not argument's sake. |
| 22:13.17 | _psychic_ | And it's not some media headline. It's Obama's own site. |
| 22:13.24 | dataw0lf | it doesn't clarify anything because in politics bullets mean nothing |
| 22:13.39 | _psychic_ | I expected you to clarify :) |
| 22:14.16 | dataw0lf | and I don't have the time nor patience to do so |
| 22:14.34 | _psychic_ | yeah apparently - sorry for asking questions |
| 22:15.06 | SunSparc | _psychic_: I would not take it personally, dataw0lf has a very short fuse. |
| 22:15.30 | dataw0lf | you have no idea |
| 22:15.56 | SunSparc | And from my understanding of bullet points, they should be concise summaries. If they do not mean anything, they should not be used. |
| 22:15.59 | _psychic_ | Dunno how I set it off, really. Usually supporters of a given candidate are up for answering questions, rather than RTFM-like responses. |
| 22:16.40 | SunSparc | _psychic_: That is what I was would expect also. |
| 22:16.57 | dataw0lf | Jesus christ |
| 22:17.12 | SunSparc | Where?!? |
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| 22:17.23 | dataw0lf | I didn't want to start an argument. I said that Barack Obama would appeal more to republicans and independents. If you don't understand why, look it up. |
| 22:17.35 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 22:18.46 | SunSparc | Barack appeals to me more than Hillary does. |
| 22:19.06 | dataw0lf | yea, well, you also hate homosexuals, so maybe you should stick with the David Duke ticket. |
| 22:19.11 | SunSparc | In listening to Barack speak he actually seems like a fairly reasonable individual. |
| 22:19.12 | _psychic_ | ... |
| 22:20.31 | _psychic_ | I really like rocky road ice cream over strawberry. |
| 22:20.32 | beandog | its a trap! |
| 22:20.39 | SunSparc | I might actually go back and vote for him today, just to sway the vote away from Hillary. |
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| 22:24.59 | SunSparc | That sounds very latin |
| 22:26.12 | _psychic_ | We'll I've already pissed off dataw0lf on accident, so I'm trying not to do it on purpose now. |
| 22:28.03 | SunSparc | I seem to have also. Welcome to the club |
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| 23:18.08 | beandog | rawr. |
| 23:21.56 | beandog | the big dog house |
| 23:26.03 | SunSparc | Who let the dog out? |
| 23:28.20 | mindjuju | better question - who gave the dog asparagus |
| 23:31.28 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 23:33.00 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 23:33.00 | jbot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that olds is stuck to the floor |
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| 23:57.59 | pelaofeliz | object question for all you object experts |
| 23:58.37 | pelaofeliz | I've got a stdClass object that's coming over SOAP, that I want to become a specific class on the server side |
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| 23:58.53 | pelaofeliz | ...in order to call some methods on it |
| 23:59.00 | pelaofeliz | is there an easy way to do that? |
