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| 10:04.24 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 14:47.18 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
| 14:48.36 | timinator | sup mindjuju |
| 14:55.24 | timinator | I had a dream last night... and you were in it mindjuju |
| 14:55.33 | timinator | we were driving to the UPHPU meeting |
| 14:55.39 | timinator | and we got pulled over |
| 14:55.45 | timinator | and I was riding shotgun |
| 14:55.51 | timinator | and my phone kept going off |
| 14:55.58 | timinator | it was ticking the cop off |
| 14:56.04 | timinator | ...... |
| 14:56.19 | timinator | then I realized that my ringtone was my alarm clock |
| 14:56.24 | timinator | *shrug |
| 15:46.15 | mindjuju | hilarious! |
| 15:58.25 | orsonj | funny :) |
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| 16:29.05 | mindjuju | have anybody here seen that post from Yahoo saying that they WEREN'T keen on the M$ offer and were considering working with Google? |
| 16:29.19 | mindjuju | read it over the weekend, but can't find it now, and was going to send it to a friend |
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| 16:48.01 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:48.07 | SunSparc | Depends on your definition of young |
| 16:48.24 | jgiboney | and it depends on your definition of death |
| 16:48.32 | SunSparc | Very true |
| 16:48.46 | jgiboney | like my social life is just about dead |
| 16:49.30 | mgeary | hey, speaking of job openings |
| 16:50.04 | wps | is everyone really that happily employed? |
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| 16:50.35 | SunSparc | jgiboney: What is your definition of a social life? And are we not included in that? |
| 16:50.36 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 16:50.52 | jgiboney | you keep me alive |
| 16:51.52 | jgiboney | i was up till 3 making diagrams last night, the night before i was up till 12:30 diagrammin, the night before I was up till 2 coding.... it was awesome! |
| 16:53.59 | mgeary | does anyone know of any project manager type positions open? |
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| 17:12.41 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
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| 17:51.31 | brasto | ~cookie |
| 17:51.58 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 17:52.14 | mgeary | heh |
| 17:54.59 | mgeary | hey, so our shoutbox implementation went down nicely enough. However, the customer is now talking about hosting scheduled moderated chats with potentially thousands of participants. I'm thinking at that point something socket-based might be more efficient than an ajax auto-refreshing approach. Anyone have any thoughts on that? |
| 17:59.41 | mgeary | the silence is resounding |
| 18:01.31 | mindjuju | for anybody curious, i found that article from Reuters saying that Yahoo is considering an alliance with google - http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN0362915520080204 |
| 18:01.54 | mindjuju | if i recall correctly, wasn't Yahoo at one point using google search results |
| 18:01.58 | orsonj | moderated irc? are they looking for a web based client for people who don't groc IRC? |
| 18:02.03 | mindjuju | like 5 or 6 years ago? |
| 18:03.37 | mgeary | orsonj: well, it needs to have more biz logic than irc, but yeah, you could think of it that way |
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| 18:03.54 | cycokilr | of course.. |
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| 18:33.08 | thebigdog | missed everyone at the lunches |
| 18:33.15 | thebigdog | lunch |
| 18:41.47 | macnewbold | I was sad to miss it |
| 18:41.52 | macnewbold | especially since it was quite close to us |
| 18:42.05 | macnewbold | we had some other commitments last friday |
| 18:42.10 | macnewbold | who went besides thebigdog? |
| 18:42.28 | thebigdog | herlo timinator |
| 18:42.30 | thebigdog | and some others |
| 18:42.48 | timinator | we missed ya man |
| 18:42.51 | cycokilr | geek lunch? |
| 18:42.59 | cycokilr | where was it? |
| 18:44.15 | macnewbold | Lorenas, in Woods Cross |
| 18:44.28 | thebigdog | yeah it was good |
| 18:47.55 | herlo | thebigdog: hi |
| 18:48.02 | herlo | food was awesome |
| 18:48.08 | herlo | you all missed out |
| 18:48.38 | thebigdog | yeah it was good |
| 18:48.41 | thebigdog | and good company |
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| 19:12.25 | PoeticIntensity | man.... Has anyone had any direct experience with Comcast's packet (torrent) .... stuff? |
| 19:12.37 | PoeticIntensity | like... them blocking traffic.... |
| 19:24.17 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - don't have any experience with it, but do know that there is a class action against comcast for it, if you need info, i'll try to find again |
| 19:24.24 | mindjuju | i think it is a lawyer in New York |
| 19:24.35 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 19:24.47 | mindjuju | read it at the same time i found out about the FCC placing fines on comcast |
| 19:25.07 | PoeticIntensity | I started downloading a torrent of a movie I can't rip (which I bought on Saturday), and ever since, I've been having to reset my modem 2-3 times per day. |
| 19:25.11 | PoeticIntensity | it shuts down the whole network... |
| 19:25.12 | PoeticIntensity | all ports. |
| 19:25.16 | PoeticIntensity | no SSH, no HTTP.. |
| 19:25.21 | PoeticIntensity | it's quite frustrating. |
| 19:25.53 | PoeticIntensity | so... FWIW, I seem to have first-hand experience with the comcast block. |
| 19:25.56 | PoeticIntensity | and it sucks. |
| 19:26.32 | mgeary | class action suits are teh suck |
| 19:26.42 | mgeary | no one benefits but the lawyers |
| 19:29.24 | PoeticIntensity | I'm quite glad for them, actually.... As long as it's legitimate. |
| 19:29.44 | PoeticIntensity | When big corps think they can do crap to people and get away with it... |
| 19:30.09 | PoeticIntensity | I've personally benefited by 2 or 3 class action lawsuits... |
| 19:30.19 | PoeticIntensity | albeit not much, I still felt better. |
| 19:30.20 | mgeary | i'm not saying big corps should have to pay the piper when they screw consumers over. i'm saying that the way class actions suites work benefits no one but they laywers |
| 19:30.41 | mgeary | whee. i get a $40 check in the mail |
| 19:30.44 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 19:30.50 | mgeary | and some lawyer gets $4.2 mil |
| 19:30.54 | PoeticIntensity | and if they cost me $40.00, then I believe it's a-okay. |
| 19:31.06 | PoeticIntensity | I couldn't care less what the lawyer gets... |
| 19:31.15 | PoeticIntensity | as long as the wrong is made right. |
| 19:31.21 | PoeticIntensity | I bought some DRAM a bit ago... |
| 19:31.30 | PoeticIntensity | found out about the lawsuit... |
| 19:31.32 | PoeticIntensity | filed... |
| 19:31.38 | PoeticIntensity | and I got paid back the price of the RAM. |
| 19:31.42 | PoeticIntensity | so..... |
| 19:31.56 | PoeticIntensity | if the lawyer gets billions.... then... good for him. |
| 19:32.17 | PoeticIntensity | anyway.... just my opinion. |
| 19:46.02 | brasto | when running ls -l, in the first column where 'l' means 'link' and 'd' means 'directory', what does 'p', 'c', and 'b' mean? |
| 20:01.33 | bradym | anyone know if there's an apache certification of some sort? |
| 20:07.32 | burnin | brasto, info ls p = FIFO named pipe, c = character special file, b = block special file. |
| 20:12.10 | timinator | speaking of linux commands... what's the grep command to view the system info? |
| 20:12.55 | thebigdog | like what system info? |
| 20:12.57 | burnin | uname, vmstat, ps, top, one of those? |
| 20:13.08 | timinator | no, like cpu, ram, etc |
| 20:13.25 | brasto | tx burnin |
| 20:13.36 | thebigdog | free |
| 20:14.28 | thebigdog | there are tons of commands you just need to know what you want |
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| 20:19.48 | timinator | cool, tx |
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| 20:24.13 | Black_Chaos | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:24.23 | Black_Chaos | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 20:24.24 | Black_Chaos | etc |
| 20:31.29 | brasto | yeah, timinator... what Black_Chaos said... ;) |
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| 21:06.01 | wps | can you check a value against a sub-portion of another value within an SQL query? |
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| 21:06.27 | dataw0lf | wps: val = substr(val, 1, 4) ? |
| 21:06.28 | cole_joplin | ping Black_Chaos |
| 21:07.06 | wps | can I do that as part of my MySQL query? |
| 21:07.22 | mgeary | wps: yes |
| 21:07.48 | wps | also note that I don't know the exact position of the sub-string |
| 21:07.57 | mgeary | REGEX |
| 21:07.57 | wps | so I would just be wanting to check if the string exists within the string |
| 21:08.11 | mgeary | is this in the SELECT or the WHERE? |
| 21:08.13 | wps | hmm… I've never considered using REGEX within an SQL query |
| 21:08.18 | wps | in the where |
| 21:08.59 | mgeary | of course, with regex, your indexes tend not to be used, iirc |
| 21:09.07 | mgeary | whereas with substr, it would |
| 21:21.04 | fungus | Anyone here have any IAX or SIP provider recommendations? |
| 21:21.14 | herlo | digium |
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| 21:21.48 | fungus | digium does services too? |
| 21:21.55 | herlo | fungus: think so |
| 21:22.02 | herlo | they have a bunch of stuff. |
| 21:51.34 | thebigdog | are <p> tags allowed to be nested? |
| 21:52.53 | wps | my opinion: no |
| 21:52.58 | wps | officially: I don't think so |
| 21:53.43 | thebigdog | k, im getting some funky validation erros with nested p tags and div tags |
| 21:53.56 | thebigdog | i'm just going to remove them |
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| 22:51.38 | jgiboney | Does anybody have any links to some good in-depth Ruby On Rails overviews? |
| 22:53.07 | SunSparc | http://bakery.cakephp.org/articles/view/cakephp-vs-ruby-on-rails |
| 22:54.11 | dataw0lf | What's that consist of, one line? "CakePHP uses PHP, so FAIL." ? |
| 22:55.12 | dataw0lf | jgiboney: I'd suggest becoming familiar with Ruby itself, first. |
| 22:55.52 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: ^ attempt at humor |
| 22:56.41 | dataw0lf | jgiboney: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/12/14/revisiting-ruby-on-rails-revisited.html This is the redux version of "Rolling with Rails" which was one of the more popular tutorials when Rails became trendy. |
| 23:00.34 | jgiboney | thank you |
| 23:00.38 | dataw0lf | np |
| 23:02.10 | _psychic_ | if you already know php, a php framework might work better |
| 23:02.40 | jgiboney | its not to develop with, i have a presentation for school on RoR |
| 23:03.01 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 23:03.16 | jgiboney | so if you have any good dirt on it... i am open |
| 23:03.38 | _psychic_ | i don't use it because I don't really know ruby, and I'm not sure ruby has proven itself on the web yet |
| 23:03.55 | _psychic_ | php does great, and it's well established |
| 23:04.00 | _psychic_ | and I know it :) |
| 23:04.12 | _psychic_ | but if you're a ruby guy, I'm sure it's really great |
| 23:04.24 | _psychic_ | I've incorporated rails features into my stuff |
| 23:05.15 | dataw0lf | "Good dirt" ? Is the fact that previous to fastthread ( about 6 months ago ), the creator of Rails had around ~400 restarts a day on his core Rails application -- is that "good dirt" ?? |
| 23:05.28 | jgiboney | lol |
| 23:05.31 | dataw0lf | now he's down to about 10. Woohoo. |
| 23:05.37 | dataw0lf | go, DHH, go! |
| 23:05.38 | jgiboney | do you have a source on that? |
| 23:05.56 | dataw0lf | http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html |
| 23:05.57 | jgiboney | I have never used Ruby |
| 23:06.19 | dataw0lf | straight from DHH himself. He told Zed Shaw privately about it (Zed Shaw wrote fastthread as well as many other useful Rails addons/tools) |
| 23:06.32 | jgiboney | thanks |
| 23:06.36 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: that looks like a rant from an outsider to me. I'd take it with a bit of salt. |
| 23:06.47 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: "Zed Shaw" is an outsider? |
| 23:06.53 | _psychic_ | he is now |
| 23:07.02 | _psychic_ | as far as rails is concerned |
| 23:07.06 | dataw0lf | He literally made Rails what it is today with most of his inventions. And DHH admitted to it after that was published. |
| 23:07.11 | _psychic_ | and I thought it was Mongrel |
| 23:07.19 | dataw0lf | He didn't just write Mongrel. |
| 23:07.29 | dataw0lf | He's written about a bajillion things for Rails. |
| 23:07.48 | _psychic_ | and threw them all in the trash, apparently. |
| 23:08.15 | dataw0lf | well, no, he gave them over to other community members and fled the sinking ship. |
| 23:08.36 | dataw0lf | Just because one writes a negative article about a community doth not mean he's kicked out of said community. |
| 23:09.11 | dataw0lf | in fact, most Rails programmers seemed pretty impressed by that article (if you've read the hundreds of comments via IRC and the mailing list) |
| 23:09.15 | _psychic_ | I mean self-kicked. |
| 23:28.43 | wps | I'm fallen in love with left joins |
| 23:29.35 | SunSparc | Congrats! Have you set a date? |
| 23:30.04 | wps | nope, we're going with a auto incrementing primary key! |
| 23:32.31 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 23:32.34 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:32.47 | SunSparc | Here is the media break for the afternoon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMj3PJDxuo |
| 23:33.47 | Black_Chaos | ImprovEverywhere Rocks |
| 23:34.53 | jsmith | wps: Yes, left joins do rock ;-) |
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| 23:37.14 | SunSparc | Black_Chaos: That is the first I have seen of them |
| 23:37.50 | Black_Chaos | I've been following them for awhile now |
| 23:38.27 | SunSparc | I think it works because they had so many people participating. |
| 23:39.35 | Black_Chaos | this one's my favorite: http://www.improveverywhere.com/2005/12/10/suicide-jumper/ |
| 23:45.24 | SunSparc | That is way cool |
| 23:54.17 | mgeary | wps, you've fallen in love with left joins as opposed to... |
| 23:54.25 | mgeary | left joins are the default |
| 23:55.31 | jsmith | mgeary: As opposed to right joins, of course! |
| 23:55.37 | jsmith | mgeary: Equijoins! |
| 23:56.30 | Black_Chaos | left joins are the default in what? |
| 23:58.01 | mgeary | inner joins |
| 23:58.11 | mgeary | inner joins are always left joins unless specified otherwise |
| 23:58.20 | mgeary | outer joins too, i believe |
| 23:58.37 | mgeary | in fact, i don't think right outer joins are even supported by some DBs, since you can just do a left instead |