| 00:01.07 | bradym | lol |
| 00:01.09 | bradym | i agree |
| 00:02.48 | SunSparc | Meetings are not so much the problem. It is meetings that have the sole purpose of meeting for the sake of having a meeting. I have been in 5 minute meetings that were far more productive that meetings that were 2 hours long. |
| 00:05.26 | mindjuju | no doubt |
| 00:18.10 | bradym | oh yeah |
| 00:25.00 | SunSparc | Good night! Drive safe. It just started snowing again in Orem. |
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| 01:23.00 | mindjuju | where be beandog? |
| 01:27.21 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - http://gizmodo.com/345944/pioneer-mep+7000-and-sep+c1-software-is-digital-dj-dream-purists-nightmare |
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| 04:24.28 | Trevyn | Evening... |
| 04:24.41 | Trevyn | Anyone want to come in and do some consulting work? |
| 04:24.51 | Trevyn | I have a contact with CarbonDrum.com |
| 04:25.18 | Trevyn | They have a site that was developed by a company in utah that was contracting out to inidia |
| 04:25.49 | Trevyn | the sites not fully functional but I think the code looks good |
| 04:25.58 | Trevyn | They are shopping around for developers. |
| 04:26.33 | Trevyn | Im looking to bring in someone to help them document there specifications, and help to give them estimates on the level of work they still need |
| 04:26.42 | Trevyn | Any one interested? |
| 04:37.17 | Trevyn | trevyn at esourcehome.com |
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| 06:56.18 | edgecast | greetings to the uphpu IRCers ... it's been a while |
| 06:56.30 | thebigdog | evening |
| 06:57.10 | edgecast | thebigdog: don't see you at the meetings |
| 06:57.11 | thebigdog | how is it going? |
| 06:57.22 | thebigdog | too much work |
| 06:57.53 | edgecast | not bad, staying darn busy myself ... but I made the SEO nad authorize.net presentations |
| 06:58.54 | thebigdog | nice |
| 06:59.01 | thebigdog | i need to present sometime next month |
| 06:59.10 | edgecast | been trying to solve a css issue all night ... anyone care to take a stab? wps? |
| 06:59.27 | thebigdog | what is the issue? |
| 06:59.36 | thebigdog | i dont think anyone is on right now |
| 07:00.29 | edgecast | trying to style a doc to look like a paper form or word doc form |
| 07:01.10 | edgecast | I want to have a blank underlined in red dashes |
| 07:01.32 | edgecast | data appearing should be centered and blue ... easy enough ... |
| 07:02.13 | edgecast | then I want to place a label for the slot tightly under the line |
| 07:02.19 | edgecast | that's the hard part |
| 07:02.20 | thebigdog | k |
| 07:02.35 | edgecast | but I want it all to float |
| 07:03.02 | edgecast | "inline" |
| 07:03.37 | edgecast | however the blank wraps the label under the line should follow |
| 07:04.33 | thebigdog | might be better to get some screen shots to show what you are trying to fix |
| 07:05.13 | edgecast | I have sample code I can put on a server or pastebin |
| 07:06.24 | edgecast | Have the wherewithall to take a peak? |
| 07:06.24 | thebigdog | if you have some screen shots |
| 07:11.07 | edgecast | I can send you a word doc or link if you need, but i think you can get the picture here http://test.edgecast.net/users/jeremy/label.html |
| 07:13.08 | edgecast | I just need the label "Name" to drop below the line and not affect the alignment of the field data or the line wrapping |
| 07:15.19 | edgecast | are you scheduled to present next month, thebigdog? |
| 07:15.45 | thebigdog | let me check the url |
| 07:15.47 | thebigdog | i might be |
| 07:15.57 | thebigdog | i want to do something on advanced pgsql |
| 07:16.03 | thebigdog | but not sure how many users would like that |
| 07:16.12 | thebigdog | most like mysql and might want presentation on that |
| 07:16.55 | edgecast | I've enjoyed them all ... just need to get to more |
| 07:17.04 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 07:17.18 | thebigdog | so you want the label "name" under the red dash line? |
| 07:20.02 | edgecast | yup |
| 07:21.11 | edgecast | seems like I need a absolute div in a relative div |
| 07:21.20 | edgecast | but I need it all to flow inline |
| 07:21.37 | thebigdog | let me see |
| 07:22.37 | thebigdog | try changing the span to a div |
| 07:22.41 | thebigdog | they might stack |
| 07:23.00 | thebigdog | then switch the order |
| 07:23.09 | thebigdog | label div on bottom |
| 07:23.16 | thebigdog | data div on top |
| 07:24.49 | thebigdog | how is that coming? |
| 07:29.11 | thebigdog | edgecast, did that help |
| 07:29.25 | edgecast | not have any luck |
| 07:29.53 | edgecast | check it |
| 07:29.56 | thebigdog | remove the <br/> |
| 07:30.33 | edgecast | I am getting the stacking now, but I had to add a div to group them together |
| 07:30.48 | thebigdog | nice |
| 07:31.34 | edgecast | however, the div wraps because of block display |
| 07:31.54 | edgecast | changing it to inline make the dotted line wrap too |
| 07:32.20 | thebigdog | yeah that dotted line needs on the data div |
| 07:32.26 | thebigdog | needs to be on the data div |
| 07:32.47 | thebigdog | try removing the group div |
| 07:32.53 | thebigdog | and the <br/ |
| 07:32.58 | thebigdog | what does that give |
| 07:33.01 | edgecast | I need the dotted line to be bigger than the data |
| 07:33.15 | thebigdog | do that in the css for the div |
| 07:33.19 | thebigdog | make the width bigger |
| 07:33.24 | thebigdog | and then that is the bottom border |
| 07:33.27 | edgecast | taking out the br causes them to not wrap when in linline |
| 07:33.45 | thebigdog | that is fine for now |
| 07:34.02 | edgecast | I see what you mean about the dotted line |
| 07:35.06 | thebigdog | did you remove the <br/> and grouping div |
| 07:38.15 | edgecast | yeah ... I'm not getting anywhere |
| 07:38.52 | edgecast | I appreciate your willingness, but I don't want to waste anymore of your time |
| 07:41.47 | edgecast | what are you thinking about presenting on? |
| 07:44.21 | thebigdog | k i got it working for ya |
| 07:44.28 | thebigdog | you will need to tweak it some though |
| 07:44.30 | edgecast | thebigdog: I think it would be cool to see some people introduce their favorite PHP API's or classes |
| 07:44.52 | edgecast | yeah? |
| 07:45.00 | thebigdog | message me your email address |
| 07:45.08 | thebigdog | what i will paste bin it |
| 07:48.43 | edgecast | cool ... looks promising |
| 07:49.50 | edgecast | thebigdog: I'll just set the line height of the label and use that neg value for a margin |
| 07:49.54 | edgecast | should work |
| 07:50.09 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 07:50.13 | thebigdog | that should be fine |
| 07:50.19 | thebigdog | i figure i woudl get it close for ya |
| 07:50.27 | edgecast | thanks |
| 07:50.55 | edgecast | I think it would be cool to see some people introduce their favorite PHP API's or classes for a presentation ... |
| 07:51.10 | edgecast | what do you think |
| 07:51.40 | edgecast | I'd like to see what database or mail APIs other are using |
| 07:53.02 | edgecast | or any set of functions some of our members think they can't live without |
| 07:53.27 | edgecast | thebigdog: hust an idea |
| 07:53.31 | edgecast | just |
| 07:53.58 | thebigdog | that might be good |
| 07:54.07 | thebigdog | feb meeting we are doing with the new database user group |
| 07:54.16 | thebigdog | so we wanted to focus on something db'ish |
| 07:54.38 | thebigdog | if you attend lunch we can have a nice discussion on those apis |
| 07:54.46 | thebigdog | i will be there too |
| 07:55.13 | edgecast | I haven't been able to fit on of those lunches in yet |
| 07:55.26 | edgecast | I'll see |
| 07:55.32 | edgecast | Have a great night! |
| 07:57.48 | thebigdog | you too |
| 07:57.51 | edgecast | BTW, thebigdog, I tried a couple ZIP api's and the best I found is the one phpMyAdmin uses. Just a recent discovery |
| 07:58.15 | edgecast | out! |
| 07:58.16 | thebigdog | nice too know |
| 07:58.21 | thebigdog | have a good night |
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| 18:19.35 | SunSparc | Welcome back jbot |
| 18:19.46 | wps | jbot: hug mgeary |
| 18:19.47 | jbot | ACTION hugs mgeary tightly until mgeary turns slightly blue |
| 18:22.03 | thebigdog | wps you around? |
| 18:22.07 | wps | yup |
| 18:22.42 | thebigdog | msging you |
| 18:29.15 | timinator | back |
| 18:29.20 | timinator | dang quarterlies |
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| 18:33.44 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:34.22 | orsonj | can't afford quarterlies |
| 18:34.29 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 19:01.47 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 19:01.47 | jbot | strangles optikal with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 19:02.20 | burnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.54 | SunSparc | ~wiki 9-pole |
| 19:03.38 | mindjuju | i wonder if that is magnetic poles? |
| 19:04.03 | dataw0lf | no, it's like the poles on a power plug |
| 19:04.06 | _psychic_ | pins |
| 19:05.13 | burnin | never seen them named poles, lines, legs, circuits, pins, but never poles. |
| 19:05.15 | dataw0lf | poles != pins |
| 19:05.37 | burnin | dataw0lf, that's kinda what I was thinking when I read that. |
| 19:05.39 | dataw0lf | I've never heard of a "9-pole serial cable" |
| 19:05.43 | dataw0lf | but a pole isn't a pin |
| 19:06.04 | _psychic_ | I thought switches had poles |
| 19:06.45 | burnin | sure, single pole double throw |
| 19:07.41 | SunSparc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch#Contact_arrangements |
| 19:08.30 | burnin | but poles in a switch are related to the internal contacts and switching mechanism, the external connections still are not called poles. |
| 19:08.41 | burnin | i think :) |
| 19:09.07 | burnin | not that comedy needs to be accurate or anything, just noting. :) |
| 19:10.07 | burnin | ah, note that in the wiki article the external connections are "terminals" |
| 19:16.26 | mindjuju | yeah ICANN! - http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080130-google-leads-icann-follows-domain-tasters-can-now-eat-dirt.html |
| 19:24.02 | burnin | nice |
| 19:24.22 | burnin | now if they could crack down on the squatters |
| 19:24.38 | burnin | but that may be more complicated. |
| 19:24.49 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 19:26.10 | mindjuju | and, as much as I dislike squatters, i think its a business model that exists because it works. though I love how the market has shifted to made up words to get around squatters, like mebo or what ever that online IM client is called |
| 19:26.14 | mindjuju | and other web 2.0 names |
| 19:29.30 | burnin | hmm, my opinion differs :D, but then you know how opinions are |
| 19:29.56 | burnin | I'd compare domain name squatting to an extortion racket. |
| 19:30.16 | mindjuju | yeah, there is a fine line there, i'm not sure where it is for me |
| 19:30.30 | burnin | that may seem a bit extreme, but then what value does the squatter actually provide from their business? |
| 19:30.33 | mindjuju | like spamming is obviously a successful business model too, but i don't agree with it and wish it would stop |
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| 19:48.17 | orsonj | little kids are helpful for coming up with nonword words for domains, etc. |
| 19:49.17 | mindjuju | that's a good idea orsonj |
| 19:49.42 | dataw0lf | is that how people are coming up with these crappy domain names of late? |
| 19:50.08 | mindjuju | probably |
| 19:50.20 | orsonj | afriskito is one my little sister came up with 10 years ago, and I just registered it. |
| 19:50.32 | burnin | heh, that gives me an idea, perhaps a PHP app in which you can enter some keywords about your site to which you need a domain and tie it into some web based thesaurus to generate some random domain names. |
| 19:50.50 | mindjuju | that could be cool |
| 19:50.59 | burnin | but then it would probably get abused and all the random names would get squatted. lol |
| 19:51.17 | orsonj | I think someone did that already (both parts) |
| 19:51.18 | mindjuju | funny you say that |
| 19:51.24 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 19:51.44 | mindjuju | http://www.lightsphere.com/dev/web20.html |
| 19:52.09 | orsonj | beat me to it |
| 19:52.25 | mindjuju | it's funny how many of those names are already purchased by squatters |
| 19:52.32 | orsonj | no kidding |
| 19:53.16 | mindjuju | darn! zoolia.com registered! oh shucks! |
| 19:53.16 | synic | tierra: |
| 19:53.38 | burnin | hmm, its almost what I was thinking, but it doesn't accept keywords or use a thesaurus |
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| 20:35.05 | timinator | play the mac ad on the right: http://gizmodo.com/ |
| 20:36.09 | tierra | synic: yeah? |
| 20:36.34 | synic | just seeing if it would still work. |
| 20:36.36 | synic | carry on :) |
| 20:39.15 | synic | (I was bored) |
| 20:42.11 | SunSparc | Cool, looks like it goes between frames in the page. |
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| 21:19.05 | mgeary | ahhh, here's one for you slow-dancers out there |
| 21:19.50 | thebigdog | sweet i finally got the stars to work |
| 21:26.00 | SunSparc | stars? |
| 21:26.09 | mgeary | the itunes rating stars |
| 21:26.20 | jsmith | Oh goodness... |
| 21:27.57 | jsmith | If a PHP programmer falls in a forest.... |
| 21:28.17 | SunSparc | ... will his control structures still iterate? |
| 21:29.08 | jsmith | case 'SunSpark': |
| 21:29.10 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.16 | SunSparc | lol |
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| 21:58.09 | mindjuju | k, i'm buying a taser |
| 21:58.37 | SunSparc | k, i'm buying a Glock |
| 21:58.45 | SunSparc | And an elephant |
| 21:59.02 | mindjuju | you can buy a glock if you want, it's prolly a bit stronger than what I need |
| 21:59.53 | SunSparc | Problems with your kids acting up? |
| 22:01.01 | mindjuju | well, i've got this FREAKIN sign with the FREAKIN' Jolly Roger and a note that says i got a FREAKIN huge project dumped on me and to please do not disturb, and I still get IDIOTS coming in to ask freakin' stupid questions! i even give my email addy and IM name so they can IM me if urgent or to tell me there is a fire in the building |
| 22:01.32 | dataw0lf | I can lend you one of my handguns but I don't have a taser, mindjuju |
| 22:01.44 | mindjuju | i need something bro, this is driving me crazy |
| 22:01.54 | dataw0lf | I hear ya |
| 22:02.05 | SunSparc | mindjuju: got a door with a lock? |
| 22:02.30 | mindjuju | sadly no lock, but a nice wood door |
| 22:02.35 | mindjuju | maybe i'll barricade it |
| 22:02.41 | SunSparc | Filing cabinet baby! |
| 22:03.01 | mindjuju | but the thought of electricity arcing 3 feet from my door knob seemed to give me satisifaction |
| 22:03.17 | dataw0lf | well |
| 22:03.18 | dataw0lf | *sigh* |
| 22:03.19 | dataw0lf | Alright |
| 22:03.29 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:03.29 | dataw0lf | go buy a disposable camera and I'll walk you through creating your own taser |
| 22:03.38 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 22:03.47 | mindjuju | yeah, was going to say, i could just hook up a tesla coil, but that prolly kicks too hard |
| 22:04.00 | dataw0lf | a disposable camera is just about the right power |
| 22:04.22 | dataw0lf | a little on the light side but if you hook it up to your doorknob, they ain't coming around again, I guarantee it |
| 22:04.36 | mindjuju | sold! |
| 22:05.18 | dataw0lf | ok, make sure you get a disposable camera with a flash |
| 22:05.34 | dataw0lf | pop off the plastic case with a screwdriver, omnitool, whatever |
| 22:05.53 | dataw0lf | there'll be two contacts next to the flash |
| 22:06.22 | dataw0lf | take two wires wrap electrical tap around one end of each, with just a little wire exposed |
| 22:06.26 | dataw0lf | connect both to those two contacts |
| 22:06.39 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/OhsbAJ41.html |
| 22:06.43 | dataw0lf | charge the flash, and anything those wires touch will light up like a Christmas tree |
| 22:06.49 | wps | note the array in paste there |
| 22:07.13 | wps | is is a print_r of $staged_results->data |
| 22:07.39 | wps | why would the isset check on line ten return false? |
| 22:08.12 | SunSparc | Using an associative array? |
| 22:08.25 | SunSparc | Will is still check the index? |
| 22:09.21 | SunSparc | s/is/it/ |
| 22:09.21 | wps | I thought it would |
| 22:09.21 | dataw0lf | it should, but I'd use empty instead, Wade |
| 22:09.24 | dataw0lf | http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.empty.php |
| 22:09.27 | mgeary | you can't reference an assoc array by offset, iirc |
| 22:09.28 | mgeary | you shouldn't in any case |
| 22:09.28 | herlo | yes, I know its quiet, but you should be able to get on now |
| 22:09.41 | herlo | http://stream.utosf.org:8080 |
| 22:09.41 | wps | meaning that if the key is a string, you can't reference it by it's position (number)? |
| 22:09.47 | dataw0lf | wps: well theoretically a hash is unordered |
| 22:09.53 | mgeary | right |
| 22:09.54 | dataw0lf | but PHP has so many idiotic rules who knows |
| 22:10.03 | wps | weird, I thought you could |
| 22:10.19 | mgeary | you may be able to, but you should expect unpredictable results |
| 22:10.31 | dataw0lf | yea, it's definitely not recommended |
| 22:10.36 | wps | empty() looks better than isset() |
| 22:10.43 | wps | when would be a good time to use isset()? |
| 22:11.16 | dataw0lf | on simpler items to speed things up. isset is a construct, I think empty is a proper function. |
| 22:11.38 | wps | that worked |
| 22:11.38 | wps | thanks |
| 22:12.05 | dataw0lf | the thing is that isset is checking to see if the variable exists while empty is checking to see if anything is in a variable |
| 22:12.20 | dataw0lf | but again, PHP idioms are so retarded that a lot of things are twisted up and broken. |
| 22:17.25 | herlo | join #utos for the discussion in irc |
| 22:17.58 | mgeary | what discussion? |
| 22:18.05 | dataw0lf | UTOS discussion |
| 22:18.15 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 22:18.36 | dataw0lf | Utah Open Source Convention |
| 22:18.40 | SunSparc | What is going on at the capital? |
| 22:18.47 | dataw0lf | HB 139 |
| 22:18.47 | mgeary | are they discussing something interesting? |
| 22:18.50 | mgeary | ah |
| 22:19.21 | mgeary | http://166.70.44.60/download/a_bit_much.png |
| 22:19.25 | mgeary | just saw this on register.com |
| 22:19.36 | mgeary | i'm sorry, but THREE of those annoying talking head banners? |
| 22:19.39 | mgeary | jeeze |
| 22:19.42 | wps | holy crap |
| 22:19.51 | mgeary | you like that? |
| 22:19.52 | wps | that's ridiculous |
| 22:19.58 | mgeary | especially THOSE ads |
| 22:20.10 | wps | yeah |
| 22:20.14 | mgeary | where you have to be careful that your mouse doesn't enter them or they start ROBOTALKING TO YOU VERY LOUDLY |
| 22:20.21 | mgeary | AND WATCHING YOUR MOUSE |
| 22:24.31 | orsonj | http://tetratech.info/orson/registerdotcom.png <-- why noscript rocks |
| 22:24.56 | mgeary | heh |
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| 22:25.48 | mgeary | bigdog_ut: ping |
| 22:25.57 | bigdog_ut | whatz up |
| 22:26.03 | mgeary | check yer IM |
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| 22:26.10 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 22:26.19 | bigdog_ut | sorry vista crashed...i hate it |
| 22:44.43 | bigdog_ut | i think tech support with tech people is worse then when they are not techy |
| 22:47.53 | mgeary | well, if you have to call tech support you've already lost |
| 22:52.17 | SunSparc | I have an associative array full of values and I need those values to be assigned to properties of the same name in a class. In other words, I need convert the array of values into class properties. My question: is there a way to do that quicker than this: http://pastebin.com/d48cbea85 |
| 22:52.55 | mgeary | yes |
| 22:53.19 | SunSparc | Do tell |
| 22:53.24 | SunSparc | Please |
| 22:53.25 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:54.07 | mgeary | this would be the first thing you could do: |
| 22:54.07 | mgeary | http://pastebin.com/m15a1615c |
| 22:54.19 | mgeary | array_keys is your friend |
| 22:54.50 | SunSparc | Ah, very nice. I knew there had to be a more efficient way. |
| 22:54.52 | SunSparc | Thank you |
| 22:55.07 | mgeary | np |
| 22:55.23 | mgeary | of course, you have to trust your input in something like that |
| 22:55.32 | mgeary | or use _set to restrict what can be set |
| 22:55.34 | mgeary | etc |
| 22:56.22 | SunSparc | You mean, I have to be sure it is in the correct order. |
| 22:56.25 | mgeary | no |
| 22:56.36 | mgeary | you have to make sure someone doesn't set a prop that you don't want set |
| 22:56.42 | mgeary | like id |
| 22:56.45 | SunSparc | Ah, right |
| 22:56.47 | mgeary | or is_approved |
| 22:56.48 | mgeary | etc |
| 22:58.13 | olds | yea, around here we use the magic methods __get and __set |
| 22:58.19 | mgeary | same here |
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| 23:59.43 | mgeary | how can you tell what server(s) "dig" will use when you dig a domain? |
