| 00:00.53 | mindjuju | weird, didn't get bounce back from my email on geek lunch nor topic for next meet |
| 00:00.58 | mindjuju | did anybody get those emails? |
| 00:02.39 | SunSparc | Night all!! |
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| 00:21.43 | mindjuju | brasto, you still around? |
| 00:26.26 | bradym | hey mindjuju, i got both the geek lunch and meetnig emails you were asking about |
| 00:27.30 | mindjuju | oh good, seems like something wrong with my email client |
| 00:27.52 | PoeticIntensity | I received both emails as well. |
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| 02:24.54 | bradym | anyone around good with grep? |
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| 04:00.33 | mindjuju | haven't used grep in along time, but ask away and i'll see if i can help |
| 04:00.52 | mindjuju | quid pro quo, anybody here use sqlite in a production enviroment? |
| 04:01.20 | bradym | figured out my question, thanks though :) |
| 04:01.52 | bradym | mindjuju: i used it in an off-line app i built with php at my last job |
| 04:02.11 | mindjuju | pretty reliable? |
| 04:02.16 | bradym | oh yeah |
| 04:02.30 | bradym | no security, but very reliable |
| 04:02.53 | bradym | though i believe you can pay for something that will encrypt the data |
| 04:03.50 | bradym | even with that i wouldn't store sensitive data in sqlite |
| 04:05.02 | mindjuju | In that case, i'll prolly just install mysql |
| 04:10.47 | bradym | course if you put the sqlite db outside of the web root and have the correct permissions set, it's as secure as any file on your server... i just like the extra layer of needing a username/pass to get at any of the data |
| 04:13.31 | bradym | sqlite is what Adobe Air and Google Gears are using for their database components |
| 04:13.34 | mindjuju | i need something fairly secure to be in place for about 2 ~ 3 weeks while I get the permanent sql solution in place |
| 04:14.16 | mindjuju | but you know, i think i'll do mysql |
| 04:14.20 | mindjuju | it's not that big of deal |
| 04:15.04 | bradym | the permanent solution being? ms sql? |
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| 04:16.23 | mindjuju | still haven't decided if i want it to connect in directly with that server |
| 04:16.37 | mindjuju | wanted time to give it a think and weigh risks / advantages |
| 04:16.46 | mindjuju | but this app has to launch sooner |
| 04:17.42 | bradym | mindjuju: take a look at sqlyog - great interface to mysql for windows |
| 04:17.57 | mindjuju | what's it written in? |
| 04:18.14 | bradym | it's a desktop app, not one you install on your server |
| 04:19.52 | bradym | depending on the config of your server, you can connect to remote boxes - with the enterprise version you can tunnel the connection over http so you don't have to have port 3306 open on the server |
| 04:20.46 | mindjuju | that'd be cool |
| 04:21.19 | bradym | it's pretty slick - i use it for all of my local db development, and have used it on a couple live servers too |
| 04:35.47 | olds | 21:00 <@mindjuju> quid pro quo, anybody here use sqlite in a production enviroment? |
| 04:35.51 | olds | yes |
| 04:36.09 | olds | it's nice |
| 04:36.12 | olds | for simple development |
| 04:55.43 | olds | such a weird problem with my tetris game |
| 04:56.00 | olds | no matter what, the first piece that is randomly generated is always the same type as the second piece |
| 04:56.13 | olds | even though they are randomly picked |
| 04:56.26 | olds | or at least should be random |
| 04:58.00 | olds | so weird |
| 05:10.43 | olds | heh, simple fix ... just sleep the thread long enough so the random number object doesn't get seeded with the same value (which must be based off of time) |
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| 07:19.30 | mgeary | hey folks, anyone around? |
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| 15:33.51 | influx^^ | is anyone in salt lake here? |
| 15:34.12 | influx^^ | olds: yo? |
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| 15:59.07 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 16:00.10 | herlo | morning |
| 16:00.43 | mindjuju | sup herlo |
| 16:01.15 | orsonj | mornin' |
| 16:01.24 | mindjuju | morning orsonj |
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| 16:02.19 | orsonj | I woke up to 8" of power this morning. |
| 16:02.39 | mindjuju | we got about 2 where I am |
| 16:02.45 | mindjuju | not that i'm complaining |
| 16:02.47 | orsonj | I have one pile of snow that is almost up to my head. |
| 16:02.54 | orsonj | right, no complaints |
| 16:04.27 | fungus | The lake here is almost completely frozen over. |
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| 16:16.35 | herlo | mindjuju: nada, heading to work now |
| 16:16.35 | herlo | you? |
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| 16:32.45 | olds | influx^^: sup |
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| 17:41.09 | mindjuju | ~APB brasto |
| 17:41.09 | jbot | ACTION hires Beth to find brasto |
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| 17:54.53 | timinator | back |
| 17:54.55 | timinator | sheesh |
| 18:00.26 | mindjuju | sup bro |
| 18:09.35 | bradym | anyone used the jquery tablesorter plugin? |
| 18:11.44 | bradym | nvm, found the answer to my question |
| 18:13.16 | mindjuju | sorry, haven't |
| 18:14.52 | bradym | amazing what happens when you read the documentation, even more amazing is that there's actually *good* documentation when I need it... who'da thunk it? |
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| 18:28.34 | entellus | all. respect. Anyone has experience with php extension developement? |
| 18:30.38 | olds | it seems difficult |
| 18:30.41 | olds | thats all I know |
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| 18:32.42 | entellus | is it possible to invoke an internal php function from an extension |
| 18:33.05 | olds | something tells me no |
| 18:33.12 | olds | but I'm only like 1% sure on that |
| 18:33.27 | entellus | that's fine. thanks a lot |
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| 18:58.12 | mgeary | hey |
| 18:58.32 | mgeary | what city are the the Blazers from (NBA)? |
| 18:58.55 | mgeary | portland |
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| 19:21.36 | bradym | anyone know a good way to find the spam score, and get info about why an email is being blocked? |
| 19:24.57 | fungus | spam score is highly subjective. Every organization has different methods of scoring spamminess. |
| 19:26.17 | fungus | http://www.zoneedit.com/blcheck.html has a pretty good blacklist checker to see what lists you are on, if any. |
| 19:27.09 | fungus | also DNSStuff has a good one too |
| 19:27.10 | fungus | http://member.dnsstuff.com/pages/tools.php |
| 19:28.36 | bradym | my email is getting through to gmail just fine, not getting through to hotmail at all, and ending up in yahoo spam box.. so trying to figure out what is causing it to be flagged.. just an email with some text and a link |
| 19:28.47 | bradym | it's a "email this page to a friend" thing |
| 19:30.58 | fungus | Start with checking if your server is blacklisted, but those types of emails (minimal text + URL) are often awarded spammy points. |
| 19:31.30 | bradym | yeah, checking via that zoneedit.com link |
| 19:31.45 | fungus | dnsstuff is faster and prettier. :) |
| 19:32.03 | bradym | shouldn't be on any blacklists, this feature hasn't actually been launched to the public yet |
| 19:33.35 | bradym | wow, way faster |
| 19:34.40 | bradym | not on any blacklists... maybe i'm missing some headers and being flagged for it |
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| 19:53.38 | mgeary | huh. i was also asked yesterday by a client if there was some sort of "spam checker" we could run prospective emails through |
| 19:53.54 | mgeary | i'd imagine spamassassin could be used somehow there |
| 19:59.07 | _psychic_ | gmail :) |
| 20:01.20 | fungus | You can setup spamassassin and pass your test messages through it. |
| 20:01.36 | bradym | anyone have a reference for "required" email headers? |
| 20:01.47 | fungus | But those tests aren't very effective, since spamassassin can be configured wildly different from site to site. |
| 20:02.48 | mgeary | so, _psychic_ and SunSparc didja see that there's a Kneaders coming into those huge buildings that're being built between our two offices? |
| 20:03.05 | _psychic_ | between our offices? |
| 20:03.17 | _psychic_ | you work at Gunnies? |
| 20:03.18 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 20:03.22 | _psychic_ | where do you work? |
| 20:03.27 | mgeary | 560 south |
| 20:03.41 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 20:03.49 | _psychic_ | even better, there's a killer pizza place in there |
| 20:03.55 | mgeary | is it good? |
| 20:03.58 | mgeary | i was wondering about it |
| 20:04.04 | _psychic_ | its gourmet pizze |
| 20:04.07 | _psychic_ | *pizza |
| 20:04.11 | mgeary | so it's spendy |
| 20:04.15 | _psychic_ | so its kinda different, but I really liked it |
| 20:04.16 | _psychic_ | kinda |
| 20:04.29 | _psychic_ | 11-13 for a medium sized pizza |
| 20:04.38 | mgeary | so about like CPK |
| 20:04.46 | _psychic_ | half a pizza per person is pretty good for lunch at least |
| 20:04.55 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:04.58 | _psychic_ | they have weird pizzas there though |
| 20:05.04 | _psychic_ | they made a mistake first time we went there |
| 20:05.06 | mgeary | like what? |
| 20:05.15 | _psychic_ | and gave us the potato pizza they made on accident |
| 20:05.21 | _psychic_ | it ended up being a group favorite |
| 20:07.02 | _psychic_ | it's called pizzeria 711 or something |
| 20:07.26 | mgeary | 712, i think |
| 20:11.02 | _psychic_ | mgeary: is Kneaders more than bread? I've not been there before. |
| 20:11.23 | mgeary | Kneaders is awesome |
| 20:11.27 | mgeary | awesome sandwiches |
| 20:11.35 | _psychic_ | how pricy is it? |
| 20:11.39 | _psychic_ | *pricey |
| 20:12.11 | mgeary | $5 for a big sandwich & a drink |
| 20:12.46 | _psychic_ | great |
| 20:12.56 | _psychic_ | is it on the south side of the bldg? |
| 20:14.04 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:14.06 | mgeary | south east |
| 20:14.14 | mgeary | still being constructed |
| 20:14.23 | mgeary | just being framed now, so it'll be a few months, i'd guess |
| 20:14.24 | mgeary | :/ |
| 20:14.27 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 20:14.35 | _psychic_ | well it'll be warm enough to walk by then |
| 20:14.43 | _psychic_ | someone please make the snow stop |
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| 22:12.25 | stderr- | pchow |
| 22:12.49 | PoeticIntensity | it's snowing again up in SLC, _psychic_ ? |
| 22:12.49 | SunSparc | Lightning? |
| 22:13.16 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: ? |
| 22:13.17 | stderr- | it stormin' something fierce here |
| 22:13.20 | stderr- | it's* |
| 22:13.31 | SunSparc | We have blue skies here in Orem |
| 22:13.56 | stderr- | well I'm in Reno |
| 22:14.20 | SunSparc | Well, then we will probably be getting some of that. |
| 22:18.07 | mgeary | going for a unified branding front? |
| 22:18.15 | stderr- | stderr is my main nick, but it was already taken on FreeNode when I registered years and years ago |
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| 22:18.51 | mgeary | dangit. who's on for CornNut duty? |
| 22:18.59 | mgeary | ~cornnuts olds |
| 22:19.07 | mgeary | jbot? |
| 22:19.12 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 22:19.21 | mgeary | 'es out |
| 22:20.01 | SunSparc | er schlaft? |
| 22:20.19 | SunSparc | danke |
| 22:20.34 | SunSparc | Did not sound right without that |
| 22:20.47 | PoeticIntensity | I love CorNuts. |
| 22:20.47 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:21.08 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic_, sorry... you said earlier if someone could get rid of the snow... |
| 22:21.11 | PoeticIntensity | I thought you were in SLC. |
| 22:21.28 | _psychic_ | yeah thanks you can have it all |
| 22:33.16 | fungus | jbot, are you alive? |
| 22:33.16 | jbot | The dead cannot live |
| 22:33.42 | mgeary | ~cornnuts fungus |
| 22:33.48 | mgeary | jbot! |
| 22:33.57 | PoeticIntensity | anyone seen untraceable? |
| 22:33.59 | mgeary | ~give jbot 10 lashes |
| 22:34.10 | mgeary | ~mindjuju |
| 22:34.10 | jbot | it has been said that mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness |
| 22:34.13 | mgeary | huh |
| 22:34.23 | mgeary | ~stevejobsify PoeticIntensity |
| 22:34.44 | mgeary | looks like jbot has forgotten some actions |
| 22:34.55 | PoeticIntensity | :-( |
| 22:34.59 | mgeary | ~nerdschool PoeticIntensity |
| 22:35.07 | mgeary | bummer |
| 22:35.35 | timinator | later guys.... I'm out |
| 22:35.57 | bradym | if you're compressing js files with mod_deflate, does it do any good to minify them? |
| 22:36.38 | bradym | i guess stripping out the comments would help a bit, but other than that, would the benefit be worth it? |
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| 23:01.41 | jgiboney | Do rss pages have to be .xml in order for rss readers to recognize them? Is there a way to put line returns into the description of a rss item? |
| 23:02.18 | _psychic_ | no |
| 23:02.52 | _psychic_ | and no, probably not reliably (unless you use HTML) |
| 23:03.26 | jgiboney | can i put html in the description? |
| 23:03.42 | _psychic_ | sure, but I don't know how many readers will render HTML |
| 23:03.53 | _psychic_ | (most do I would guess) |
| 23:04.11 | _psychic_ | and on the first note, I'd just make sure your content type header is set correctly |
| 23:04.20 | _psychic_ | extension doesn't matter as much afaik |
| 23:05.11 | jgiboney | what about being able to recognize that there is a feed for a site, for example in ie it doesn't say that there is a feed to this site www.expresslanevideo.com |
| 23:05.56 | wps | you have to add this to the header |
| 23:05.56 | wps | <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Utah Graphic Artists Forum Syndication" href="http://ugaf.org/feed/" /> |
| 23:06.20 | jgiboney | thanks |
| 23:06.21 | _psychic_ | I'm talking about the HTTP headers |
| 23:06.32 | _psychic_ | but that probably helps too |
| 23:07.18 | wps | that link in the header is what makes browsers and aggregators recognize that a site offers syndication |
| 23:07.33 | wps | when are you opening your doors to customers, jgiboney? |
| 23:07.47 | jgiboney | when we get funding |
| 23:08.01 | jgiboney | hopefully within the next 4 to 6 months |
| 23:08.24 | jgiboney | there is still a lot of work to do though |
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| 23:12.35 | jgiboney | oh one more question, will attaching google analytics to the rss page ruin it? |
| 23:13.39 | wps | probably |
| 23:13.49 | wps | most people that want stats on their feed run it through feedburner |
| 23:13.51 | _psychic_ | most readers don't execute JS |
| 23:14.05 | wps | right, but an XML file isn't supposed to have js at the bottom |
| 23:16.08 | jgiboney | would it be good to use feed burner? |
| 23:16.31 | wps | if you want stats on your syndication usage, sure |
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| 23:42.22 | mindjuju | they should really outlaw more than 2 business meetings in a day |
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| 23:42.42 | mindjuju | where's OSHA? surely this qualifies |
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