| 00:00.39 | wps | pet peeve of the day: when strangers ask to connect via LinkedIn |
| 00:00.49 | wps | uh… doesn't that defeat the entire point? |
| 00:00.54 | dataw0lf | no kidding |
| 00:01.25 | wps | like people that join a user group and then ask all of the members to connect |
| 00:01.45 | wps | just because you both subscribe to the same mailing list doesn't mean that you are associates |
| 00:02.03 | wps | you have to actually know the person… like the request I just received Lonnie |
| 00:02.14 | mgeary | s/yield/reap/ |
| 00:02.21 | dataw0lf | I actually just got my second job offer from Google through LinkedIn |
| 00:02.44 | wps | I like it as a central repository of people's resumés |
| 00:02.49 | dataw0lf | I don't know if they cold contact people, though |
| 00:02.51 | mindjuju | Hold the Press! you work for Google? |
| 00:03.01 | fungus | I held out from joining until I had like 4 or 5 people bugging me about it. |
| 00:03.17 | fungus | Then gave into the pressure |
| 00:03.30 | mindjuju | everybody tell fungus to give me $10 |
| 00:03.35 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: no, I interviewed there about a year ago, but they were offering a midlevel job for lesser than I'd make in Reno considering cost of living |
| 00:03.58 | mindjuju | that's pretty cool though they asked you in for interview |
| 00:03.59 | dataw0lf | and then they contacted me again via both email and linkedin about possibly considering the position agan |
| 00:04.01 | fungus | lol |
| 00:04.14 | mindjuju | was it for your python skillz |
| 00:04.30 | dataw0lf | it was a python engineer job, yea |
| 00:07.23 | dataw0lf | but LinkedIn is pretty cool -- I found a bunch of Python engineers in the Reno/Tahoe area I wouldn't have known about otherwise |
| 00:07.47 | dataw0lf | which then led me to create http://www.nnpig.org/ (just a layout for right now, I'm working on getting the Django backend done) |
| 00:08.02 | mindjuju | like fungus, i've resisted thus far, but have started to rethink my position on linkedin |
| 00:08.26 | wps | nnpig? |
| 00:08.38 | dataw0lf | northern nevada python interest group |
| 00:08.47 | wps | why PIG instead of PUG? |
| 00:08.55 | dataw0lf | it's what Python uses |
| 00:09.02 | dataw0lf | they call em PIGs |
| 00:09.05 | wps | interesting |
| 00:09.20 | dataw0lf | baypiggies.net <-- up there with UPHPU in terms of user group quality |
| 00:09.44 | dataw0lf | (but they also have the three most famous Python programmers, if not more, in the group, which helps) |
| 00:11.50 | dataw0lf | (and they meet at Google, which helps even more ;-)) |
| 00:12.01 | wps | wow… that would help |
| 00:12.21 | timinator | anyone mess with Flash Remoting? |
| 00:12.44 | bradym | what's the character limit in a get string? 255? |
| 00:13.36 | dataw0lf | bradym: it's dependent upon the browser |
| 00:13.44 | mindjuju | timinator - as mgeary |
| 00:13.44 | bradym | k |
| 00:13.46 | mindjuju | he might have |
| 00:13.53 | timinator | Flash CS3 doesn't have the Remoting Extensions.... but previous versions did.... so, my AMFPHP stuff doesn't work with CS3 |
| 00:13.58 | timinator | k |
| 00:14.08 | timinator | ping: mgeary |
| 00:14.14 | dataw0lf | bradym: theoretically, FF doesn't have a set limit. I think IE's is 2083 |
| 00:14.48 | mgeary | hey |
| 00:15.12 | mgeary | haven't tried remoting with CS3 :/ |
| 00:15.58 | dataw0lf | ooh, speaking of CS3 |
| 00:16.05 | dataw0lf | aw jea |
| 00:16.15 | dataw0lf | I'm done "buying" CS3 from a "official" site |
| 00:16.34 | mindjuju | did you get a better price from a reseller? |
| 00:16.51 | mindjuju | or roll the dice on an eBay auction? |
| 00:17.12 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 00:17.13 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 00:17.15 | dataw0lf | yes, something like that |
| 00:17.58 | mindjuju | k, i know exactly what that means. You waited outside a software store until you saw somebody buy it and wearing a Bush/Chaney tshirt |
| 00:18.07 | dataw0lf | much closer! |
| 00:20.55 | olds | lol |
| 00:24.41 | timinator | LOL |
| 00:25.06 | timinator | mgeary: don't try Remoting w/ CS3.... it doesn't have it |
| 00:25.30 | timinator | I'm doing a hack job of pulling my v7 Remoting Extention into CS3 |
| 00:26.01 | timinator | s/Extention/Extension/ |
| 00:26.46 | timinator | and though it shows up in the Libraries, I'm having trouble exporting a swf w/ it |
| 00:26.52 | timinator | *shrug |
| 00:34.27 | dataw0lf | dang I should stop highlighting "hack" |
| 00:38.57 | ScottBaiowulf | you could have it change hack to heck |
| 00:39.11 | ScottBaiowulf | I'm h3x0ring the gibson. |
| 00:39.32 | dataw0lf | that's an awesome nick |
| 00:39.40 | ScottBaiowulf | :] |
| 00:40.09 | SunSparc | Night all! Drive extra safe! |
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| 00:49.30 | timinator | later guys.... I'm out |
| 00:49.41 | mindjuju | laterz! |
| 00:59.35 | tierra | so pretty much all the open source email campaign software I've been able to find look like crap... |
| 00:59.54 | tierra | though I found two commercial solutions that look really nice, but do get expensive |
| 01:00.32 | tierra | http://www.interspire.com/sendstudio/ <- one time ~$300, includes full source |
| 01:01.22 | tierra | http://www.campaignmonitor.com/ <- the one I linked earlier, cost-per-email deal |
| 01:01.36 | tierra | both those have what I want |
| 01:02.37 | tierra | http://www.openemm.org/ <- one of the better open source alternatives I was able to find, though it's really confusing to use |
| 01:02.51 | mgeary | tierra: what are your requirements? |
| 01:03.32 | tierra | well, one of the reqs that's making things kinda hard is scheduled emails |
| 01:03.52 | tierra | the other, is an easy to use API/configuration for integrating with an existing DB |
| 01:04.24 | mgeary | we recently built a mass-email solution. it was surprisingly simple. We have a TinyMCE front-end to allow for rich-html emails, and a cron process to handle scheduling |
| 01:04.32 | tierra | SendStudio looks like it has an awesome API for integration |
| 01:05.15 | tierra | yeah, I'd write my own, but don't have nearly enough free time to do it, nor do I want the added burden of maintenance |
| 01:05.32 | ScottBaiowulf | Does anyone here have experience with the Google Maps API? |
| 01:05.48 | ScottBaiowulf | Just curious. |
| 01:06.20 | mgeary | i played around with it several months ago |
| 01:06.32 | mgeary | but i'm leaving now :) |
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| 01:06.35 | influx^^ | How difficult is it .... |
| 01:06.37 | influx^^ | drat |
| 01:07.07 | mindjuju | influx^^ thebigdog and dataw0lf both ahve played with it also |
| 01:07.19 | mindjuju | thebigdog is seems to have done a lot of work in GIS |
| 01:08.21 | influx^^ | I have an idea for a pet project that's still in top-secret-lol stage... |
| 01:08.31 | influx^^ | and I'm thinking of incorporating google maps. |
| 01:10.01 | mindjuju | influx^^ - is it like Goggles ? - http://www.isoma.net/games/goggles.html |
| 01:11.12 | influx^^ | Nah. It's kind of serious. |
| 01:11.24 | mindjuju | ah |
| 01:13.06 | influx^^ | w/ 1 |
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| 03:34.19 | orsonj | anyone have any idea why a rewrite would work on one machine, but not another |
| 03:34.20 | orsonj | RewriteEngine On |
| 03:34.20 | orsonj | RewriteBase / |
| 03:34.21 | orsonj | RewriteRule ^main(/.*)?$ main.php$1 |
| 03:46.14 | bradym | different apache versions? |
| 03:46.36 | bradym | try: RewriteRule ^main(/.*)/$ main.php$1 |
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| 04:11.34 | orsonj | hmmm.. that and other simplified variations don't seem to work either. |
| 04:19.45 | bradym | how bout: RewriteRule ^main(/.*)?/$ main.php$1 |
| 04:19.46 | bradym | ? |
| 04:20.16 | bradym | i've heard of servers where you have to have both ?/ for some reason - no idea why thoug |
| 04:20.21 | bradym | though* |
| 04:25.13 | orsonj | hmmm. no dice |
| 04:32.09 | olds | are you sure you have mod-rewrite installed? |
| 04:35.27 | orsonj | not positive, it is a shared server, but others report sucess with some rewrite rules. |
| 04:35.35 | orsonj | does phpinfo report apache mods? |
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| 04:37.56 | orsonj | doesn't look like it. any other ideas? |
| 04:38.09 | orsonj | (doesn't show apache mods that is) |
| 04:38.21 | bradym | you have shell access? |
| 04:38.38 | orsonj | yep |
| 04:39.34 | bradym | apache -M |
| 04:39.46 | bradym | that'll list the loaded modules |
| 04:40.03 | orsonj | command not found :( |
| 04:40.17 | bradym | try httpd -M |
| 04:40.44 | bradym | i'm on windoze at the moment so it's apache for me |
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| 04:41.02 | orsonj | nope that didn't work either |
| 04:41.13 | mindjuju | timinator, bro what you doing up so late? |
| 04:41.23 | bradym | command doesn't exist or nothing useful? |
| 04:41.30 | timinator | workin' |
| 04:41.39 | mindjuju | yeah, same here |
| 04:41.44 | orsonj | not found |
| 04:41.46 | mindjuju | but prolly leaving in 30 min |
| 04:41.48 | wps | what OS orsonj? |
| 04:41.56 | bradym | orson: do which httpd |
| 04:42.12 | timinator | cool |
| 04:42.23 | timinator | you still at the office, mindjuju ? |
| 04:42.24 | orsonj | which httpd: no results |
| 04:42.28 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 04:42.32 | timinator | dang |
| 04:42.36 | bradym | how bout which apache? |
| 04:43.11 | orsonj | not positive on OS. 1&1 server |
| 04:43.23 | wps | k |
| 04:43.50 | bradym | you might have to go in through the control panel and enable mod_rewrite, or even .htaccess files |
| 04:44.05 | bradym | haven't used 1&1 enough to be familiar with their setup |
| 04:44.35 | orsonj | .htaccess files work, because redirect stuff works fine, as well as their php5 hack |
| 04:45.53 | bradym | could be that your domain isn't setup with permissions for mod_rewrite |
| 04:45.59 | olds | what kind of project planning software do you guys use? |
| 04:47.12 | bradym | olds: i've used freemind for drawing stuff out before, but i haven't been using anything specific other than that |
| 04:47.47 | stderr- | @task |
| 04:47.58 | olds | we use fogbugz for the progression of the project and actually handing off invidual tasks to people and recording time and stuff |
| 04:48.22 | olds | but I'd like something to map out timelines while we're in the planning phase |
| 04:49.02 | olds | yea |
| 04:49.06 | olds | we looked at @task |
| 04:49.27 | olds | it just seemed ..... big and cumbersome for a company of 10 people |
| 04:49.30 | mindjuju | orsonj - i found this - http://faq.1and1.com/scripting_languages_supported/configuring_apache_server_using_htaccess/4.html |
| 04:49.32 | olds | but I'll take another look |
| 04:49.39 | mindjuju | talks about config and starting up rewrite |
| 04:49.41 | bradym | only other thing i've used is http://www.taskcoach.org/ - but it's a personal task list, not for teams |
| 04:50.05 | bradym | http://webcollab.sourceforge.net/ seems nice, i've played with it a bit but haven't ever used it with a team |
| 04:51.14 | olds | yea.... that's kindof similar to what we use now |
| 04:51.20 | mindjuju | hope that helps |
| 04:52.13 | wps | http://taskspro.com/ is my favorite |
| 04:52.20 | wps | I've tried or at least looked into them all |
| 04:52.29 | wps | most have horrible interfaces |
| 04:52.36 | wps | and poor work flows |
| 04:52.39 | wps | many have too many features |
| 04:53.39 | orsonj | mindjuju: looks good. |
| 04:53.44 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 04:54.04 | orsonj | anyone know offhand what the [R,L] at the end of a rewriterule is? |
| 04:54.39 | timinator | mindjuju: did you get your file upload script working? |
| 04:54.40 | olds | yea |
| 04:55.18 | olds | it's what tells the rewrite rule what to do |
| 04:55.18 | wps | they are how the rewrite is treated… change the URL with the redirect… redirect but keep it… what error to use (303, 404, 403, etc), etc |
| 04:55.19 | mindjuju | timinator, i'm almost finished installing apache on win2k3 and going that route |
| 04:55.27 | timinator | eek |
| 04:55.34 | timinator | God be with you, my son. |
| 04:55.38 | mindjuju | heh |
| 04:55.45 | stderr- | had to play some call of duty 4 |
| 04:55.53 | stderr- | olds: you tried @task? it's meh. |
| 04:55.57 | stderr- | have to use it for work though |
| 04:55.58 | mindjuju | but you know what, i know this isn't saying much, but Apache on Winders 2k3 is freakin' amazing |
| 04:56.02 | bradym | orsonj: R is the redirect code (like wps said), L means it's the last rule to be processed |
| 04:56.11 | olds | I think I'l stick with fogbugz |
| 04:56.12 | mindjuju | at least 3x as fast as IIS on the server reboot, intuitive |
| 04:56.17 | olds | and use something else for gantt charts |
| 04:56.20 | stderr- | word |
| 04:56.24 | wps | @task has way too many features |
| 04:56.27 | timinator | not saying much there mindjuju |
| 04:56.29 | timinator | :) |
| 04:56.33 | wps | and one of the most unintuitive interfaces I've ever used |
| 04:56.41 | mindjuju | yeah, didn't realize how bad IIS suxed until tonight |
| 04:56.42 | stderr- | we have a basecamp account too but we don't use it much |
| 04:57.04 | timinator | but I am very glad that there's a light at the end of the tunnel for ya mindjuju |
| 04:57.09 | bradym | yeah, we use basecamp but i don't think i've logged into it in like 3 months\ |
| 04:57.09 | wps | it does just about anything but it takes you two months to figure it out |
| 04:57.13 | mindjuju | yea for sure |
| 04:57.19 | wps | and if there is that high of a learning curve, no one uses it |
| 04:57.28 | olds | yea |
| 04:57.32 | olds | hmmm |
| 04:57.50 | bradym | mindjuju: what pushed you to move from IIS to apache? |
| 04:58.07 | bradym | just curious, definitely a good move :) |
| 04:58.15 | wps | my #1 complaint (and I understand that this isn't important to most people) is that nearly all of them look like someone took a dump in your web browser |
| 04:58.17 | olds | yea, basecamp looks better |
| 04:58.33 | wps | TasksPro and BaseCamp are basically the only ones that I can stand looking at |
| 04:58.34 | mindjuju | bradym, more need than desire, though now things different |
| 04:58.43 | mindjuju | i had a problem where IIS and PHP weren't working together |
| 04:58.51 | mindjuju | and having major probs with file upload |
| 04:58.55 | wps | we need to get you off windows, mindjuju |
| 04:59.00 | olds | wps: fogbugz isn't bad imo |
| 04:59.10 | wps | :) |
| 04:59.13 | mindjuju | wasn't the script, cause it was just a print_r($_FILES) |
| 04:59.15 | bradym | oh yeah, i've heard horror stories about php and IIS |
| 04:59.27 | wps | I've heard horror stories about IIS |
| 04:59.34 | bradym | well yeah, that too |
| 04:59.38 | wps | :) |
| 04:59.43 | mindjuju | yeah, it takes a lot of maintenance |
| 04:59.57 | mindjuju | i just need to find a way to get the company to be more accepting of other OSs |
| 04:59.58 | olds | wow |
| 05:00.03 | olds | basecamp is only $24/month |
| 05:00.11 | olds | for what we need |
| 05:00.12 | wps | do the executives have to know what's running the website? |
| 05:00.18 | mindjuju | i'm liking ubuntu |
| 05:00.31 | wps | olds: TasksPro is a one time fee and you can install it on your server |
| 05:00.43 | mindjuju | wps , they don't. |
| 05:00.46 | mindjuju | it's all blackbox to them |
| 05:00.52 | mindjuju | as long as it works... |
| 05:01.05 | bradym | so.... pop in that ubuntu cd! :) |
| 05:01.06 | olds | I think taskspro is kindof ugly :) |
| 05:01.31 | mindjuju | well this server i'm launching is the company's first Apache server and I think they are going to love it |
| 05:01.56 | mindjuju | tons of functions off the cuff without having to route around in the IIS metadata |
| 05:02.19 | bradym | i don't even know what that means, but it sounds painful |
| 05:02.21 | bradym | :) |
| 05:02.28 | mindjuju | v painful |
| 05:02.42 | mindjuju | i was surprised how readable http.conf was |
| 05:03.59 | wps | I'm so sick of working over VPN |
| 05:04.03 | wps | it absolutely blows |
| 05:04.09 | wps | it is slower than freak'in dial up |
| 05:04.18 | bradym | mindjuju: be sure to head over to http://ilovejackdaniels.com and get your mod_rewrite cheat sheet (among others), I've got it hanging next to my computer |
| 05:04.30 | bradym | very helpful |
| 05:05.11 | mindjuju | yeah, mod_rewrite sounds cool, but i'm REALLY digging virtual hosts, talk about easy to setup and sexy to boot |
| 05:05.19 | olds | yea, basecamp is what we need |
| 05:05.25 | mindjuju | doing the same in IIS is obtuse |
| 05:05.41 | bradym | virtual hosts rock |
| 05:06.10 | wps | I can't believe you're just experiencing Apache for the first time, mindjuju |
| 05:06.12 | wps | that's crazy |
| 05:06.16 | wps | Apache rocks the planet |
| 05:06.58 | mindjuju | yeah, sadly i've been doing PHP over IIS for a long time |
| 05:07.18 | bradym | ~lart mindjuju |
| 05:07.18 | jbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at mindjuju |
| 05:08.25 | bradym | mindjuju: for your local development environment check out xampp.org - very easy way to get everything running at once from one install |
| 05:09.41 | mindjuju | brb |
| 05:09.58 | bradym | it's also got a batch file to switch between php4 and php5 - nice for testing on both versions |
| 05:20.32 | wps | <p class='blah'></p> |
| 05:20.47 | wps | values should be wrapped in double ticks! |
| 05:40.59 | beandog | double ticks? |
| 05:41.12 | bradym | double quotes |
| 05:41.17 | beandog | meh |
| 05:41.19 | beandog | man |
| 05:41.22 | beandog | even Im not that anal. |
| 05:43.48 | orsonj | xampp++ |
| 05:44.36 | herlo | ew |
| 05:44.46 | herlo | I guess its good for dev though |
| 05:46.33 | bradym | yeah, I wouldn't use it in production, but it rocks for development |
| 05:50.28 | bradym | in fact, they tell you on the front page of the xampp site that it's not meant for production |
| 05:50.34 | orsonj | right, dev only, but really nice for getting a standalone test setup. |
| 05:51.16 | orsonj | my only problem with it was figuring out which php.ini to edit to enable modules. |
| 05:52.09 | bradym | yeah, that can be tricky at first |
| 05:54.43 | bradym | the other nice thing is it comes with compiled binaries of some apache modules you can't otherwise find for windows |
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| 08:15.48 | timinator | later guys |
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| 14:56.58 | Utah_Dave | http://gthing.net/the-true-cost-of-sms-messages/ |
| 14:57.06 | Utah_Dave | this drives me nuts |
| 15:14.45 | herlo | Utah_Dave: is it that it actually costs that or that he's using some sort of math that doesn't make sense to you? |
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| 15:52.43 | Utah_Dave | herlo: no, paying 10 to 15 cents for a stupid text message drives me nuts |
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| 16:06.50 | timinator | mornin' |
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| 16:18.18 | mgeary | hey, can anyone hit account.authorize.net this morning? |
| 16:19.18 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: it's not coming up for me |
| 16:19.18 | mgeary | figures |
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| 16:24.28 | mindjuju | anybody made it to work today? |
| 16:25.07 | jsmith | Oh wait, I work from my basement ;-) |
| 16:25.40 | mindjuju | $jsmith = "nerd"; |
| 16:27.27 | jsmith | mindjuju: There's a small performance penalty for using double quotes there... I'd go for $jsmith = 'nerd'; |
| 16:28.31 | mindjuju | too true, my bad |
| 16:28.44 | mindjuju | i forgot what i was going to ask |
| 16:29.22 | jsmith | mindjuju: You were going to ask whether I still like Virginia ;-) |
| 16:29.40 | mindjuju | of course you still like Virginia |
| 16:29.46 | olds | you know, that performance penalty thing is so miniscule |
| 16:33.46 | mindjuju | OH! I remember now! jsmith comment made me forget |
| 16:33.55 | mindjuju | k, the question is, what time should we do Geek Lunch? |
| 16:34.01 | mindjuju | i've gots to send out the email today |
| 16:34.09 | mindjuju | thebigdog, you around? |
| 16:34.25 | thebigdog | im here |
| 16:34.34 | mindjuju | what time should we do lunch? |
| 16:35.13 | jsmith | olds: Every little bit helps ;-) |
| 16:36.31 | olds | the first rule of optimization.... don't do it |
| 16:36.33 | mindjuju | tierra, what you think |
| 16:36.45 | olds | the second rule of optimization... see rule #1 |
| 16:43.25 | mindjuju | kid invents snow machine - http://gizmodo.com/349584/real+world-calvin-builds-snow-machine-creates-backyard-mountain-overnight |
| 16:43.38 | mindjuju | jsmith -- yall get snow yet in Virginia? |
| 16:43.58 | jsmith | mindjuju: We got ~5 inches a week or so ago |
| 16:44.00 | fungus | "yall"? |
| 16:44.06 | fungus | :) |
| 16:44.07 | jsmith | mindjuju: And we've had skiffs of snow several times |
| 16:44.23 | jsmith | mindjuju: I wish you'd send us more this direction |
| 16:44.50 | mindjuju | dude, you can have this snow! |
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| 17:10.47 | SunSparc | I agree, jbot |
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| 17:12.54 | brasto | mindjuju: for the combined udbug/php meeting, do we want to cover SQL in general, with brief overviews of various php database extensions? |
| 17:18.57 | wps | I think you should write SQL for us |
| 17:19.03 | wps | we'll bring our projects and you can finish them |
| 17:19.10 | wps | :) |
| 17:19.25 | jsmith | Oooh, in that case... I have a whole pile of projects |
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| 17:24.21 | tierra | mindjuju: whatever time we normally do lunch I guess.. 12:30 |
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| 17:33.51 | cole_joplin | pinging mindjuju |
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| 18:07.10 | mindjuju | tierra, sounds good to me |
| 18:08.43 | mindjuju | good for you thebigdog , timinator, drip, and all other northern geeks? |
| 18:08.51 | mindjuju | 12:30 lunch that is |
| 18:10.00 | tierra | lunch in Bountiful, at Lorenas btw |
| 18:10.51 | timinator | 12:30 sounds good to me |
| 18:10.56 | timinator | this Friday? |
| 18:11.21 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 18:11.57 | timinator | lunch is at Lorenas? |
| 18:12.03 | tierra | yeah |
| 18:12.05 | timinator | anyone have a link/map? |
| 18:12.19 | mindjuju | in bountiful, well woods cross |
| 18:12.25 | mindjuju | can send map, do you think you can go? |
| 18:12.27 | mindjuju | at that time |
| 18:12.52 | tierra | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&geocode=&q=lorenas&near=Bountiful,+UT&ie=UTF8&z=14&iwloc=A&om=0 |
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| 18:17.56 | timinator | I'm not sure yet mindjuju |
| 18:18.19 | timinator | got a lunch meeting that will prove profitable |
| 18:18.27 | timinator | been trying to have it for >2wks |
| 18:18.46 | timinator | it's set for end-of-the-week.... shooting for Thurs |
| 18:20.02 | timinator | so pencil me in... but if I duck out, know that it's only because I need to feed my family |
| 18:20.03 | timinator | :) |
| 18:20.54 | mindjuju | K |
| 18:21.09 | mindjuju | herlo, you going to be in town this friday? |
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| 18:42.48 | mindjuju | heya brasto, totally forgot that you IMd me |
| 18:42.56 | brasto | no worries |
| 18:43.14 | brasto | I only just got back after a meeting, so i'd'a not seen it 'till now anyway |
| 18:44.06 | mindjuju | maybe we should email the mailing list and see what suggestion we get |
| 18:45.23 | brasto | right, because I can do mysql specific php stuff, but maybe people want postgres or both, or SQLite extension info. |
| 18:45.33 | mindjuju | vtrue |
| 18:45.56 | mindjuju | i always forget about SQLite, but it seems to be pretty sexy right now |
| 18:46.03 | brasto | I can also do a sql hierarchy and use php to convert it to xhtml ul's |
| 18:46.34 | fungus | PDO would be nice, but that might deserve an entire presentation by itself. |
| 18:46.37 | Utah_Dave | ooh, i'd like the sql hierarchy |
| 18:47.01 | brasto | I've thought it would be fun to present the sql hierarchy for a while |
| 18:47.16 | brasto | if that's what people want, I'll start preparing it. |
| 18:50.31 | mindjuju | uno momento por favor |
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| 18:55.33 | mindjuju | brasto, are you going to present or is somebody in the group going to present? |
| 18:59.30 | brasto | if it's 'Storing and Retrieving Hierarchical Data in a Database With PHP' or something like that, I'll do it. |
| 19:00.04 | brasto | If it's various introductions on how to connect to various databases with PHP, I'll do the MySQL part, and I'll look for volunteers for the other dbs |
| 19:00.25 | brasto | like maybe thebigdog for postgres |
| 19:00.46 | thebigdog | im back all whatz up |
| 19:01.00 | thebigdog | mindjuju, what did you need |
| 19:02.23 | brasto | thebigdog: we were discussing UDBUG presenting at the next UPHPU meeting. If people want postgres and PHP info, maybe you can help present |
| 19:02.39 | thebigdog | i sure can |
| 19:02.49 | brasto | cool |
| 19:02.54 | thebigdog | i can do a small presentation on advanced pgsql |
| 19:03.11 | thebigdog | i remember that was something we had discussed as the material for the presentation |
| 19:03.18 | thebigdog | im open to whatever |
| 19:04.53 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog - was also going to ask what time lunch this friday |
| 19:04.56 | mindjuju | 12:30? |
| 19:05.07 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 19:05.10 | olds | oracle can do recursive queries :) |
| 19:05.11 | thebigdog | that would be good |
| 19:05.16 | olds | makes hierarchical queries very easy |
| 19:06.21 | olds | for mysql I like to use the Modified Preorder Tree Traversal Algorithm |
| 19:06.30 | olds | makes the most sense |
| 19:15.05 | wps | mindjuju: I have the two new events on the calendar |
| 19:15.17 | mindjuju | awesome! thx |
| 19:15.18 | brasto | hmmmm... |
| 19:15.29 | brasto | ~wiki modified preorder tree traversal algorithm |
| 19:15.58 | brasto | olds, I use this: |
| 19:15.59 | brasto | http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/hierarchical-data.html |
| 19:30.32 | olds | yea |
| 19:30.44 | olds | that's the Modified Preorder Tree Traversal |
| 19:31.25 | jsmith | What's the name of that book? Something like "Trees and Hierarchies in SQL for Mere Mortals?" |
| 19:31.38 | olds | I think they call it the nested set |
| 19:40.37 | herlo | mindjuju: I'll be in town this Friday. You and Heartsbane (#utos) should talk too |
| 19:41.01 | herlo | mindjuju: my guess is you are referring to a Geek Lunch? |
| 19:41.22 | herlo | I had asian food |
| 19:41.26 | herlo | mmm, yummy |
| 19:41.34 | wps | why would any sane-minded entrepreneur include the word pit in the name of his eatery? |
| 19:41.45 | herlo | pita pit roks |
| 19:41.54 | herlo | they have awesome food |
| 19:41.55 | mindjuju | yup herlo, on the geek lunch |
| 19:41.58 | mindjuju | can you go? |
| 19:42.03 | herlo | mindjuju: depends |
| 19:42.10 | mindjuju | friday @ 12:30 |
| 19:42.26 | herlo | mindjuju: I think that Heartsbane wanted to schedule one for Thursday before the HB139 hearing and then go and stream it |
| 19:42.32 | wps | I just had some cinnamon-flavored, reindeer-shaped licorice |
| 19:42.34 | herlo | mindjuju: have you already announced it? |
| 19:42.37 | wps | weird, huh |
| 19:42.39 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 19:42.43 | herlo | mindjuju: hmm |
| 19:43.33 | herlo | mindjuju: pm |
| 20:03.40 | jsmith | wps: Sounds good, in a weird sort of way |
| 20:04.17 | wps | what strange is that gummy candy, cinnomon candy, and licorice are my three favorite candies |
| 20:04.24 | wps | but I wouldn't have ever imagined putting them together |
| 20:05.01 | wps | must've been the reindeer shape throwing it off |
| 20:17.00 | PoeticIntensity | I have a pgsql question.... |
| 20:17.05 | PoeticIntensity | any takers? |
| 20:17.26 | PoeticIntensity | I'm trying to do a "INSERT INTO <table> SELECT" query... |
| 20:17.41 | PoeticIntensity | and the primary key is set to auto increment from a sequence... |
| 20:18.03 | PoeticIntensity | is there any way I can do my select and still have the key be populated from the sequence? |
| 20:18.51 | PoeticIntensity | jsmith, thebigdog .... ^^^ |
| 20:19.22 | thebigdog | yes |
| 20:19.25 | thebigdog | modify your insert |
| 20:20.04 | PoeticIntensity | I thought if you had a select statement in your insert, it was all or nothing with the select. |
| 20:20.10 | thebigdog | nope |
| 20:20.12 | PoeticIntensity | so you can combine...? |
| 20:20.14 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 20:20.15 | PoeticIntensity | okay. |
| 20:20.17 | thebigdog | like this |
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| 20:21.01 | thebigdog | insert into table1(col1,col2,col3) select col1, col2, col3 from table2; |
| 20:21.02 | com4 | thebigdog: plz msg me. i work with xilch and want to know when you can come teach us all you know about life. |
| 20:21.14 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:21.20 | thebigdog | life = 48 |
| 20:21.21 | PoeticIntensity | hey... the thebigdog is helping ME right now.... darnit. |
| 20:21.27 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:21.32 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, that should work for you |
| 20:22.22 | thebigdog | com4, i need about another 1 - 2 weeks |
| 20:22.22 | com4 | thebigdog: ok :) We'll wait patiently |
| 20:22.22 | PoeticIntensity | awesome.... I'll try that, thebigdog - thanks. |
| 20:22.22 | thebigdog | new job and taking care of my pops has me really busy |
| 20:22.22 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, that should work good for you |
| 20:22.23 | thebigdog | then you can use the sequence for it |
| 20:22.32 | PoeticIntensity | I see... |
| 20:22.36 | PoeticIntensity | you amaze me, thebigdog, thanks. |
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| 20:22.41 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:22.46 | thebigdog | just stuff i have done |
| 20:22.47 | PoeticIntensity | quit programming and write a book. |
| 20:22.53 | thebigdog | i wish |
| 20:22.53 | PoeticIntensity | you'll make *much* more than you're making now |
| 20:22.57 | thebigdog | the wife would kill me |
| 20:23.00 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:23.05 | thebigdog | probably not |
| 20:23.09 | jsmith | thebigdog: Naw, you won't get rich |
| 20:23.10 | PoeticIntensity | I dunno, man... |
| 20:23.16 | jsmith | thebigdog: Trust me ;-) |
| 20:23.17 | PoeticIntensity | you've got quite the knowledge reserve... |
| 20:23.18 | com4 | thebigdog: understandable |
| 20:23.28 | thebigdog | jsmith, has turned me off to the idea |
| 20:23.43 | PoeticIntensity | :-T |
| 20:23.48 | jsmith | thebigdog: No I haven't! |
| 20:23.53 | PoeticIntensity | I'd buy it. |
| 20:23.59 | jsmith | thebigdog: You won't get rich, but you'll get fame and groupies! |
| 20:24.05 | mindjuju | I'd buy that for a dollar! |
| 20:25.13 | thebigdog | i want a lot of groupeis |
| 20:25.15 | thebigdog | oh wait |
| 20:25.19 | thebigdog | computer ones suck |
| 20:25.48 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i have |
| 20:25.54 | thebigdog | but i try to forget that i have |
| 20:26.59 | timinator | thebigdog has groopies?!?! |
| 20:27.03 | timinator | oh, right..... |
| 20:27.59 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:30.09 | herlo | mindjuju: I've seen robocop, it was fun back in the day |
| 20:31.38 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog - that suggestion, of course, worked perfectly. |
| 20:31.39 | PoeticIntensity | thank you. |
| 20:32.13 | thebigdog | np |
| 20:32.16 | thebigdog | glad it worked |
| 20:36.09 | timinator | anyone have an installed copy of Flash v8? |
| 20:36.15 | timinator | CS2 I think |
| 20:37.09 | timinator | I'm needing a copy of some of the libraries |
| 20:37.18 | timinator | but I upgraded from v7 to CS3 |
| 20:37.28 | timinator | and thats not working |
| 20:37.30 | timinator | :( |
| 20:46.40 | herlo | http://gamesutah.org |
| 20:48.54 | herlo | _psychic_: bring it |
| 20:50.06 | _psychic_ | played it? |
| 20:50.38 | herlo | no, sounds interesting |
| 20:50.58 | _psychic_ | hex based army combat |
| 20:51.16 | _psychic_ | there's an open community of people who make custom characters and stuff, so it's pretty extensible. |
| 20:51.24 | _psychic_ | Just got it a week or two ago though. |
| 20:51.36 | herlo | we've played all sorts of games, but I've recently moved. Odds are the first game will be settlers, then we could break that out |
| 20:53.14 | _psychic_ | I'd recommend checking it out |
| 20:53.17 | _psychic_ | it's been fun |
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| 21:06.00 | herlo | _psychic_: which one do you have, there's like 30 different expansions and about 10 different main games |
| 21:07.05 | _psychic_ | herlo: the swamp main one, then I bought some more figurines |
| 21:07.18 | _psychic_ | you can mix it up however you want |
| 21:07.30 | _psychic_ | the terrain is all hexes, so you can build whatever you want |
| 21:07.34 | herlo | _psychic_: swarm of the marro? |
| 21:07.36 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 21:07.55 | herlo | _psychic_: okay, yeah I figured you can mix and match, but I kinda gotta start somewere |
| 21:08.44 | _psychic_ | yeah you'll need one of the "master set" boxes |
| 21:08.50 | _psychic_ | then you can add on however you want |
| 21:09.04 | _psychic_ | a friend of mine bought a bunch of star wars figures and is making his own stats for em |
| 21:09.07 | _psychic_ | pretty fun |
| 21:10.17 | herlo | _psychic_: I'm curious how much you played D&D when you were younger |
| 21:10.31 | _psychic_ | it's like easy D&D |
| 21:11.11 | mindjuju | ah D&D, those were some fun times |
| 21:11.13 | herlo | _psychic_: I'm not much into role playing games |
| 21:11.28 | _psychic_ | heroscape isn't role playing |
| 21:11.36 | _psychic_ | it's just army vs. army |
| 21:12.23 | herlo | _psychic_: cool, bring it |
| 21:16.06 | _psychic_ | cool you have an orem location |
| 21:16.12 | _psychic_ | is that someone's house, or what? |
| 21:17.14 | _psychic_ | lol http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2569887 |
| 21:18.08 | mindjuju | nice |
| 21:18.22 | _psychic_ | stuff like that is why I have *no* desire to get drunk |
| 21:18.23 | _psychic_ | none. |
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| 22:13.45 | mgeary | hey jsmith |
| 22:15.17 | jsmith | mgeary: Yes?!? |
| 22:15.31 | mgeary | you've got some experience with very (very!) large mysql dbs, no? |
| 22:15.45 | jsmith | mgeary: I claim nothing! |
| 22:15.48 | mgeary | hehehe |
| 22:15.49 | jsmith | mgeary: What's your question? |
| 22:16.21 | jsmith | mgeary: (be right back) |
| 22:16.24 | mgeary | i've got a DB table on the brink of 11 gigs. When last it tripped that approximate threshold, i started getting some sort of error |
| 22:16.38 | mgeary | i forestalled the issue then by removing a field from the DB |
| 22:18.31 | jsmith | mgeary: OK... |
| 22:18.41 | mgeary | ^^ |
| 22:18.54 | jsmith | mgeary: I have no clue |
| 22:19.01 | mgeary | k |
| 22:19.16 | jsmith | mgeary: What version of MySQL, and what was the error message? |
| 22:19.42 | mgeary | looks like it's 4.1.20 |
| 22:19.54 | mgeary | i'd have to look to try to find the msg again |
| 22:22.59 | jsmith | mgeary: You may want to move to 5.x... it helps out in a *lot* of areas with regards to large tables |
| 22:23.07 | jsmith | (especially on the indices side) |
| 22:23.12 | mgeary | yeah, it's prolly time to do that |
| 22:23.24 | jsmith | (Who would have thought that having more than one index per query was a good idea?) |
| 22:23.34 | jsmith | And with that snarky remark, I"m outta here! |
| 22:24.32 | timinator | anyone get a MSN virus just now? |
| 22:24.46 | mgeary | "Game time savings on TVs and more at costco.com" ? |
| 22:24.49 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:25.08 | mindjuju | timinator, no |
| 22:25.21 | timinator | hmmm |
| 22:25.31 | mindjuju | was it an unsolicited comment from some unknown user that linked to a virus? |
| 22:26.35 | wps | just because 18/f/ut sends you an instant message, timinator, you shouldn't click on the links she pastes |
| 22:26.48 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:27.00 | timinator | I didn't.... several people in the office did |
| 22:27.01 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:27.04 | timinator | and they're on PCs |
| 22:27.06 | timinator | uurgh |
| 22:27.33 | mindjuju | heh, i've been there before. way long ago in my JR sys admin days |
| 22:27.51 | mindjuju | had to shut down the entire network on a Saturday and clean all computers in the office from head to toe for the sircam virus |
| 22:51.51 | wps | actually, I've probably been twenty five years that I've been using a computer now |
| 22:52.43 | wps | goodbye, dave |
| 23:22.06 | cycokilr | anyone ever done anything like this: "SELECT a.col1, a.col2, b.reg1 FROM tableA a LEFT JOIN tableB b ON a.col1 REGEXP b.reg1 AND a.col2 REGEXP b.reg1" |
| 23:28.31 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
| 23:41.58 | thebigdog | cycokilr, nope |
| 23:51.55 | brasto | ~cross the streams |
| 23:51.55 | jbot | ACTION life as you know it stops instantaneously and every molecule in your body explodes at the speed of light. |
| 23:57.59 | mindjuju | why just the other day i crossed the streams |
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| 23:58.19 | SunSparc | Total protonic reversal |
| 23:58.32 | bradym | sounds painful |
| 23:58.32 | bradym | ;) |
| 23:58.39 | mindjuju | twas |