| 00:00.39 | thebigdog | i go a couple |
| 00:00.39 | thebigdog | .6mm |
| 00:00.39 | thebigdog | .73mm |
| 00:00.39 | thebigdog | .88mm |
| 00:00.40 | thebigdog | 1.14mm for my son |
| 00:02.01 | thebigdog | clapton with the .73mm on the acoustic, gwar 1.14mm |
| 00:02.27 | thebigdog | .6mm and .73 on the fender |
| 00:02.39 | thebigdog | im going to try them both out and see which one i like |
| 00:02.43 | mindjuju | you have a fender? i thought those were REALLY expensive? |
| 00:02.55 | thebigdog | well this one is only 1500 |
| 00:02.58 | thebigdog | but it is nice |
| 00:03.04 | thebigdog | 50th aniv edition |
| 00:03.12 | mindjuju | 1500 sounds like a lot to me |
| 00:03.13 | thebigdog | fungus, i love gh |
| 00:03.35 | fungus | It's as close as I'll ever get to playing a real guitar |
| 00:03.45 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:03.50 | thebigdog | it is really fun to play |
| 00:04.05 | mindjuju | i guess the real question though, thebigdog , is how good is your frampton? can you play "do you feel like i do?" |
| 00:04.15 | thebigdog | oh no |
| 00:04.20 | thebigdog | its not that good |
| 00:05.35 | PoeticIntensity | we should write a "uphpu" song and record it... |
| 00:05.42 | PoeticIntensity | how long you been playing, thebigdog ? |
| 00:05.57 | thebigdog | years but im not that good |
| 00:06.09 | thebigdog | i only play when i have free time |
| 00:06.13 | PoeticIntensity | me too. |
| 00:06.14 | thebigdog | and i dont have much of that |
| 00:06.17 | PoeticIntensity | me either. |
| 00:06.30 | PoeticIntensity | what with all these video games and all.. :) |
| 00:06.43 | PoeticIntensity | I *really* do need to practice drumming more. |
| 00:06.49 | thebigdog | but hopefully if i get a new mac then i want to start getting into some recording |
| 00:06.57 | PoeticIntensity | wha...!? |
| 00:07.00 | PoeticIntensity | use Linux! |
| 00:07.05 | PoeticIntensity | gentoo, baby! |
| 00:07.14 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 00:07.29 | PoeticIntensity | ardour, ladspa, and jamin (and a bit of audacity) is all ya need, bro. |
| 00:07.39 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:07.43 | thebigdog | i should try that out |
| 00:07.47 | PoeticIntensity | dude... |
| 00:08.00 | PoeticIntensity | I'd show you a song I recorded 100% in Linux, but you'd laugh at the song... :) |
| 00:08.08 | thebigdog | i just need something to make some beats...i cant play drums unlike yoursefl |
| 00:08.14 | PoeticIntensity | well, dude.... |
| 00:08.23 | PoeticIntensity | record all the guitar / vocals / etc.... |
| 00:08.27 | PoeticIntensity | then send me the ardour files... |
| 00:08.32 | PoeticIntensity | I'll slap down a drum track or two. |
| 00:08.36 | PoeticIntensity | done deal! |
| 00:08.54 | thebigdog | hehe that would be great |
| 00:09.00 | thebigdog | i just need to learn how to do that |
| 00:09.15 | PoeticIntensity | I've been writing / recording songs for years in Linux now... |
| 00:09.16 | thebigdog | get the guitar recorded |
| 00:09.30 | PoeticIntensity | I just started collaborating, and it's much easier than most people think. |
| 00:09.49 | PoeticIntensity | especially if the same format is used.... |
| 00:09.55 | PoeticIntensity | but heck... even if you use a mac or windows, or whatever... |
| 00:10.04 | PoeticIntensity | just record the tracks and bounce it down to an mp3..... |
| 00:10.09 | PoeticIntensity | then send the mp3 to the next musician... |
| 00:10.13 | PoeticIntensity | they do the same.... |
| 00:10.14 | thebigdog | how do you record guitar? |
| 00:10.22 | thebigdog | dont you need some hardware |
| 00:10.23 | PoeticIntensity | electric or acoustic? |
| 00:10.28 | thebigdog | electric |
| 00:10.33 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 00:10.38 | PoeticIntensity | I've done it two ways: |
| 00:10.56 | PoeticIntensity | 1. record with a high-quality condenser, the actual amplified signal. |
| 00:11.02 | PoeticIntensity | (through the amp) |
| 00:11.05 | PoeticIntensity | or... |
| 00:11.20 | PoeticIntensity | plug the guitar into a preamp and then add all the filters via software. |
| 00:11.47 | thebigdog | but dont you need to have a midi device that the guitar goes into and then to the computer |
| 00:11.55 | PoeticIntensity | oooooohhhh no, brother. |
| 00:12.01 | PoeticIntensity | never do a guitar through MIDI. |
| 00:12.31 | PoeticIntensity | you've just got to have a good audio card.... |
| 00:12.36 | thebigdog | ok |
| 00:12.47 | thebigdog | so the audio card need to have a computer jack then? |
| 00:12.50 | PoeticIntensity | depending on how many channels you want to record simultaneously... |
| 00:12.55 | thebigdog | guitar jack |
| 00:13.00 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 00:13.02 | PoeticIntensity | not really. |
| 00:13.18 | PoeticIntensity | just use a little converter plug to take the 1/8th inch to the guitar-standard 1/4 inch. |
| 00:13.31 | PoeticIntensity | this is what I use: |
| 00:14.00 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOD1010E |
| 00:14.15 | PoeticIntensity | but, before you get scared, that sucker can record 8 channels simultaneously. |
| 00:14.21 | PoeticIntensity | you'll never need that for a guitar. |
| 00:14.24 | timinator | thebigdog: are we talking about your son's guitar? cause MIDI will be fine for that :) |
| 00:14.35 | thebigdog | no i have one |
| 00:14.55 | thebigdog | that is nice PoeticIntensity |
| 00:15.01 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 00:15.06 | PoeticIntensity | I've been building my studio for about 2 years now. |
| 00:15.06 | timinator | borrowing his doesn't qualify bro |
| 00:15.46 | timinator | jk |
| 00:16.07 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:16.54 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOAP2496 |
| 00:16.59 | PoeticIntensity | that's what I'd recommend for you, thebigdog |
| 00:17.16 | PoeticIntensity | it can handle two channels... |
| 00:17.21 | thebigdog | nice i was looking at that same one |
| 00:17.23 | PoeticIntensity | then all ya need is a mic and a preamp. |
| 00:17.38 | PoeticIntensity | and it's 100% compatible with Linux. |
| 00:17.50 | thebigdog | sweet |
| 00:17.51 | PoeticIntensity | and BUYAH! |
| 00:17.55 | PoeticIntensity | You're a recording genius. |
| 00:17.57 | thebigdog | that is not a bad price either |
| 00:18.02 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 00:18.18 | mindjuju | does it let you record both channels at the same time? |
| 00:18.25 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, yes. |
| 00:18.46 | PoeticIntensity | and the one I bought can do 8. |
| 00:18.56 | PoeticIntensity | that's the only way I can record my drums semi-professionally. |
| 00:20.23 | mindjuju | so PoeticIntensity, why would I buy the one you show v say this one that has it built in - http://cgi.ebay.com/Behringer-UB502-sound-Mixer_W0QQitemZ230214338643QQihZ013QQcategoryZ41472QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:20.27 | mindjuju | the preamp i mean |
| 00:20.37 | mindjuju | not trying to start flamewars,really trying to understand |
| 00:20.42 | PoeticIntensity | no prob. |
| 00:20.57 | mindjuju | i mean, i know that with the mixer, you don't get to record both channels at the same time |
| 00:21.02 | PoeticIntensity | that has no computer interface, as far as I can tell. |
| 00:21.03 | mindjuju | since the mixer is combing them |
| 00:21.15 | mindjuju | yeah, not computer interfface, but can't you output from that into the computer? |
| 00:21.29 | PoeticIntensity | the one I'm showing thebigdog is actually recording each channel. |
| 00:21.40 | PoeticIntensity | two completely different devices. |
| 00:21.48 | PoeticIntensity | and yes... you can record from that to the computer. |
| 00:21.51 | PoeticIntensity | however... |
| 00:21.51 | SunSparc | Laterz |
| 00:22.01 | PoeticIntensity | tweaking after-the-fact is going to be impossible due to the meshing of the channels. |
| 00:22.18 | mindjuju | gotcha, so the money is spent to record the channels seperately |
| 00:22.18 | PoeticIntensity | with mine, if I want to tweak the EQ of the snare, I can do so with the snare track. |
| 00:22.22 | timinator | ya, I don't understand either..... why don't you use the guitar's built-in mic and plug that directly into the computer via the 1/4" jack.... then use Audacity or something to mix |
| 00:22.22 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 00:22.48 | mindjuju | and mix in post production |
| 00:22.49 | thebigdog | timinator, you could do that |
| 00:22.51 | PoeticIntensity | timinator, the signal from the guitar is usually not high enough to do any serious recording. |
| 00:22.54 | thebigdog | but that is one channel |
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| 00:23.04 | PoeticIntensity | a pre-amp does nothing but boost the signal. |
| 00:23.07 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog is right. |
| 00:23.12 | PoeticIntensity | a guitar is one channel. |
| 00:23.14 | thebigdog | yeah you dont have any amp to it |
| 00:23.20 | thebigdog | its like a whisper |
| 00:23.51 | thebigdog | yours does not go to 11 like mine |
| 00:24.12 | timinator | right, but you can amplify and mix using the software on a digital level, rather than in a pre-amp on the analog side..... not to mention, there's nothing more to buy |
| 00:24.59 | timinator | pre-amp for amplification obviously.... mixer for mixing |
| 00:25.01 | timinator | :) |
| 00:25.22 | mindjuju | wait wait, so with that card you do need a preamp or don't? |
| 00:25.33 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 00:25.34 | PoeticIntensity | you do. |
| 00:25.40 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 00:25.43 | PoeticIntensity | you don't *need* it... |
| 00:25.48 | PoeticIntensity | it just records whatever comes in. |
| 00:25.54 | PoeticIntensity | it has no amplifier built-in. |
| 00:25.59 | PoeticIntensity | (AFAIK) |
| 00:26.02 | PoeticIntensity | It might... |
| 00:26.05 | mindjuju | but you could boost the audio in post? |
| 00:26.06 | PoeticIntensity | however... |
| 00:26.16 | PoeticIntensity | yes, but it's not recommended... |
| 00:26.24 | mindjuju | because of distortion ? |
| 00:26.25 | PoeticIntensity | when you boost the audio in post, you boost all noise as well. |
| 00:26.30 | mindjuju | k |
| 00:26.40 | PoeticIntensity | and if it's within the computer, that usually mean a lot of noise (relatively) |
| 00:26.52 | PoeticIntensity | with a separate pre-amp, you can get boost with little noise. |
| 00:27.43 | PoeticIntensity | another huge reason to get a separate audio card just for recording music, is that most integrated audio cards have a set frequency at which they record. |
| 00:27.54 | PoeticIntensity | you can't change that. |
| 00:28.10 | PoeticIntensity | it's usually at 48000HZ, which means you've gotta downsample after-the-fact in order to get it onto a CD. |
| 00:28.35 | PoeticIntensity | with the 2496 card (m-audio), it can record from 22000 to 192000HZ. |
| 00:28.47 | PoeticIntensity | so... |
| 00:28.53 | PoeticIntensity | anyway.... |
| 00:29.02 | PoeticIntensity | I'm *very* interested in recording quality, though... |
| 00:29.16 | PoeticIntensity | if you're just messing around, the integrated card usually works just fine. |
| 00:31.55 | PoeticIntensity | mixer or interface? |
| 00:31.58 | timinator | I'm out guys.... later |
| 00:32.02 | mindjuju | laterz |
| 00:32.03 | PoeticIntensity | chao, bro |
| 00:32.10 | mindjuju | interface |
| 00:32.57 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.zzounds.com/item--THKMIMD442 |
| 00:33.10 | PoeticIntensity | there's one. |
| 00:33.26 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.zzounds.com/item--THKMIMD662 |
| 00:33.28 | PoeticIntensity | there's six. |
| 00:33.55 | mindjuju | so on that first one, what if i have an XLR? |
| 00:33.55 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOD1010LT |
| 00:33.57 | PoeticIntensity | and there's eight. |
| 00:34.02 | PoeticIntensity | you need a pre-amp. |
| 00:34.05 | PoeticIntensity | hold up... |
| 00:34.08 | PoeticIntensity | I'll show ya what I got. |
| 00:34.15 | mindjuju | oh the preamp will convert to phono? |
| 00:34.22 | PoeticIntensity | phono? |
| 00:34.24 | PoeticIntensity | or mono? |
| 00:34.36 | mindjuju | 1/4" ? |
| 00:34.45 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.zzounds.com/item--STOPROPR8 |
| 00:34.47 | PoeticIntensity | that's the pre-amp I've got. |
| 00:34.52 | PoeticIntensity | it's got 8 channels... |
| 00:35.08 | PoeticIntensity | and it just does XLR. |
| 00:35.15 | PoeticIntensity | on the back it's got 1/4" out. |
| 00:35.29 | PoeticIntensity | that then, plugs into the 1/4" ins on my delta 1010. |
| 00:35.43 | PoeticIntensity | which is then recorded in the software on 8 separate channels. |
| 00:36.59 | PoeticIntensity | if you just have a 1/4" that you wanna use, like, say from a guitar, or a keyboard, or mp3 player... |
| 00:37.28 | PoeticIntensity | then you can plug that directly into the interface, due to its having a switch for mic level ins or line level ins. (+4dB or -10dB, I believe) |
| 00:37.57 | PoeticIntensity | not sure if that's making any sense. |
| 00:38.14 | mindjuju | does |
| 00:38.16 | mindjuju | PM sent |
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| 15:47.46 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 15:50.45 | orsonj | morning |
| 15:51.23 | mindjuju | anybody else going to that Adobe meet tonight at Neumount? |
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| 16:03.40 | thebigdog | herlo we need to hit some lunch when you are in town |
| 16:03.55 | thebigdog | now that i work down the street from ay |
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| 16:05.05 | jsmith | thebigdog: Where you working now? |
| 16:05.24 | thebigdog | im working for a new company in bountiful |
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| 16:05.43 | jsmith | thebigdog: Cool... hopefully you're making twice as much there ;-) |
| 16:05.50 | thebigdog | a little more |
| 16:06.04 | thebigdog | but going to be doing some cool stuff here |
| 16:07.02 | timinator | mawnin' all |
| 16:07.09 | timinator | congrats again thebigdog |
| 16:08.07 | thebigdog | ty |
| 16:12.16 | mindjuju | hey, thebigdog and timinator, drip, tierra and all other northside guys |
| 16:12.25 | thebigdog | yeha |
| 16:12.25 | timinator | sup |
| 16:12.33 | mindjuju | we gots geek lunch on your turff, this next time around |
| 16:12.46 | mindjuju | where are we going? |
| 16:12.58 | timinator | hmmmmmm |
| 16:13.02 | timinator | what city? |
| 16:13.12 | thebigdog | bountiful |
| 16:13.17 | thebigdog | cause im here |
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| 16:13.40 | mindjuju | bountiful cause its half way |
| 16:15.05 | mindjuju | i wonder if there is a Japanese restaurant in bountiful |
| 16:15.21 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:15.26 | timinator | ya, sushi sounds good |
| 16:15.35 | timinator | which Friday are we talking? |
| 16:15.54 | mindjuju | Feb 1st, not this friday, next |
| 16:17.25 | timinator | cool |
| 16:17.41 | mindjuju | have you eaten at marcello ristorante italiano? any good? |
| 16:17.59 | mindjuju | holy crap! |
| 16:18.09 | mindjuju | Tepanyaki Japanese steak house! |
| 16:18.13 | mindjuju | seems to be in bountiful! |
| 16:19.35 | mindjuju | thebigdog, do you like tepanyaki? |
| 16:19.44 | mindjuju | here is location, by the way - http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=bountiful,+utah+Tepanyaki+Japanese+Steak+House&ie=UTF8&z=9&iwloc=A&om=0 |
| 16:19.58 | thebigdog | yeah it is expensive for lunch though |
| 16:20.05 | mindjuju | oh |
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| 16:35.35 | timinator | there's a Winger's |
| 16:35.50 | mindjuju | Wingers is good |
| 16:35.52 | olds | Winger's is nasty |
| 16:36.09 | timinator | hmmph |
| 16:36.09 | olds | well there ya have it |
| 16:36.09 | olds | omg flame war |
| 16:36.15 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:36.18 | timinator | no thanks |
| 16:36.40 | thebigdog | no wingers |
| 16:36.43 | timinator | didn't work well last time around, let's not have history repeat itself |
| 16:36.45 | thebigdog | chipotlles |
| 16:37.15 | timinator | chipotle is good |
| 16:38.16 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:38.22 | mindjuju | so is that 2 votes for chipotle ? |
| 16:38.25 | thebigdog | herlo and i frequent that place |
| 16:38.29 | thebigdog | herlo is down for it |
| 16:38.31 | thebigdog | drip is too |
| 16:38.37 | mindjuju | where is drip? |
| 16:38.46 | mindjuju | ~seen drip |
| 16:38.48 | jbot | drip <n=chatzill@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 6d 21h 56m 58s ago, saying: 'some days I work from home.'. |
| 16:39.17 | thebigdog | i dont think he is in the office yet |
| 16:41.15 | mindjuju | so is it Chip, then? |
| 16:43.22 | timinator | I'm flexible.... and it seems to be the best option |
| 16:44.08 | timinator | allthough, I'd prefer Tepanyaki |
| 16:44.11 | timinator | :) |
| 16:44.36 | mindjuju | so, 1 vote chip, 1 vote tep |
| 16:44.53 | timinator | ya, mark me down for tep |
| 16:44.54 | jgiboney | is PHP's garbage collect could enough to not to have to destroy objects? |
| 16:45.40 | jgiboney | could should be good |
| 16:50.34 | olds | huh |
| 16:51.27 | jgiboney | is PHP's garbage collection good enough, that I don't have to go through and destroy objects |
| 16:54.26 | herlo | mmm, chipotle! |
| 16:54.31 | herlo | thebigdog: when? |
| 16:54.48 | thebigdog | anytime next week |
| 17:12.50 | olds | jgiboney: yes |
| 17:13.02 | jgiboney | thank you |
| 17:13.07 | olds | you shouldn't ever have to destroy objects unless you have some need to |
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| 17:26.49 | tierra | the last lunch we had in Bountiful was at Chipotle... |
| 17:27.01 | tierra | don't want to do something different? |
| 17:30.10 | thebigdog | there might be some other places in bountiful |
| 17:30.17 | thebigdog | herlo might have some advice on that |
| 17:30.22 | mindjuju | last count we had it was 1 vote chip(thebigdog), 1 vote tep (timinator) |
| 17:30.25 | thebigdog | im new here so not too familiar with it all |
| 17:30.26 | mindjuju | don't know what herlo's vote was |
| 17:30.28 | thebigdog | i just love chips |
| 17:30.34 | mindjuju | and drip isn't present |
| 17:30.41 | thebigdog | he might not make it |
| 17:30.49 | mindjuju | drip or herlo? |
| 17:30.49 | thebigdog | he has a lot on his plate |
| 17:30.53 | thebigdog | drip |
| 17:31.31 | timinator | :) |
| 17:31.35 | timinator | sushi sushi sushi sushi sushi |
| 17:31.40 | timinator | mmmmm sushi |
| 17:31.58 | mindjuju | Tepanyaki could be fun |
| 17:32.03 | mindjuju | and next friday is a payday |
| 17:33.24 | thebigdog | make sure they are open for lunch |
| 17:33.28 | thebigdog | im not sure they are |
| 17:33.45 | mindjuju | if we did tep, would you go thebigdog? |
| 17:33.50 | mindjuju | i know how much you like chip |
| 17:34.04 | thebigdog | i might |
| 17:34.11 | thebigdog | i would probably bring the wife though |
| 17:34.15 | thebigdog | cause she loves that place |
| 17:34.24 | mindjuju | she loves tepankayki? |
| 17:34.29 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 17:34.42 | mindjuju | oh cool! we get to meet Mrs. thbigdog |
| 17:34.53 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:34.58 | thebigdog | she would come to chips too |
| 17:35.05 | thebigdog | cause she loves it there as well |
| 17:35.09 | thebigdog | either is good for me |
| 17:35.19 | mindjuju | tierra, how you dig on Tepanyaki if they are open? |
| 17:35.49 | tierra | I thought the Tepenyaki burned down |
| 17:35.59 | tierra | actually |
| 17:36.03 | thebigdog | nope |
| 17:36.06 | thebigdog | it is up and running |
| 17:36.24 | tierra | and in, back up and running? |
| 17:37.06 | tierra | *as in |
| 17:37.08 | thebigdog | i dont think it ever bruned down |
| 17:37.49 | tierra | maybe I'm confusing it with the other japanese resturaunt in the same strip mall |
| 17:38.15 | thebigdog | yeah cause teps in not in a strip mall |
| 17:38.40 | mindjuju | weird, phone disconnected for tepanyaki |
| 17:38.53 | mindjuju | thebigdog, is the one your going to called tepanyaki japanese steak house? |
| 17:39.06 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:39.13 | thebigdog | the one off the highway |
| 17:39.22 | thebigdog | by the davis hospital |
| 17:39.23 | mindjuju | k, i'm searching again |
| 17:40.06 | thebigdog | http://utah.citysearch.com/profile/37202442/clearfield_ut/tepanyaki_japanese_steak_house.html |
| 17:40.22 | tierra | clearfield? |
| 17:40.29 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:40.37 | thebigdog | that is the north one |
| 17:40.40 | thebigdog | there might be one in slc |
| 17:40.45 | mindjuju | where is clearfield? |
| 17:40.55 | thebigdog | that one does not open till 3:30pm though |
| 17:41.31 | thebigdog | are you thinking the one in lehi? |
| 17:41.53 | thebigdog | or is it provo? |
| 17:42.01 | mindjuju | there is one in lehi and provo |
| 17:42.17 | mindjuju | holy smokes! Clearfield is just shy of Ogden |
| 17:42.34 | tierra | yeah, that's a bit of a drive, even from bountiful |
| 17:42.40 | thebigdog | yeah that is way north |
| 17:42.50 | thebigdog | there is one in slc too i think |
| 17:43.06 | mindjuju | yeah, one in downtown SLC |
| 17:43.31 | mindjuju | oh wait, my bad |
| 17:43.34 | mindjuju | it says opening soon |
| 17:43.40 | thebigdog | hehe |
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| 17:49.34 | mindjuju | thebigdog, timinator, tierra, have ya'll heard of Cafe Alicia ? |
| 17:49.43 | thebigdog | no |
| 17:49.50 | tierra | nope |
| 17:50.28 | mindjuju | hey, there is an indian restaurant |
| 17:50.35 | mindjuju | a bountiful royal india |
| 17:50.44 | timinator | me either |
| 17:50.53 | timinator | but I'm up for it |
| 17:51.25 | thebigdog | anyone know of a free software for windows that burns isos? |
| 17:51.58 | mindjuju | yeah, there is one, let me see if i can find the anme for you real quick |
| 17:52.07 | timinator | nope... if you find anything solid, let me know |
| 17:52.14 | mindjuju | but it is burn only, not compile iso |
| 17:52.26 | thebigdog | i just need to burn is all |
| 17:53.05 | mindjuju | isorecorder |
| 17:53.22 | mindjuju | if i recall, there was event talk of making it a powertool |
| 17:55.13 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: CDburnerXP works fine |
| 17:56.35 | timinator | got lunch meetings and errands.... be back around 2 |
| 17:57.14 | mindjuju | so, thebigdog, you have cdburnerxp recommended by utah_dave and iso recorder - http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm |
| 17:57.33 | mindjuju | utah_dave, good to see another free alternative, i seem to alway get asked that question |
| 17:57.38 | mindjuju | nice to know there are some choices |
| 17:58.22 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it actually works pretty well for regular cd burning as well dealing with isos |
| 17:58.52 | tierra | well, I tell you what, you'll never find a better mexican restaurant in Utah than Lorena's in Bountiful, I'm always happy to eat there |
| 17:59.11 | tierra | in fact, I'm pretty sure I'll be eating there for lunch today |
| 17:59.36 | thebigdog | ty i will check them out |
| 17:59.47 | tierra | it's at least one trip there per week for our office, two this week as I went on Monday |
| 17:59.50 | tierra | heh |
| 18:00.07 | tierra | some of the best Chile Verde anywhere |
| 18:00.22 | thebigdog | that sounds good too |
| 18:00.34 | Utah_Dave | you guys are making me hungry! |
| 18:00.44 | mindjuju | so do we want to eat at Lorena's? |
| 18:00.51 | tierra | if you're not a fan of chile verde, I like to just get the small combo plate myself |
| 18:00.51 | thebigdog | im down for it |
| 18:00.59 | thebigdog | and if tierra is then it is all good |
| 18:01.05 | tierra | of course :) |
| 18:01.29 | mindjuju | coolio, i'll advertise it shortly |
| 18:50.10 | RedHeron | http://www.freepress.net/news/29744 |
| 18:50.15 | RedHeron | Auction begins tomorrow. |
| 18:51.44 | RedHeron | Heh. |
| 18:52.58 | _psychic_ | best have more cash than Google does, then. :) |
| 18:58.15 | thebigdog | i am so going to get some of that |
| 18:58.37 | mindjuju | i thought the auciton was going to be over several weeks or a month or something |
| 18:58.43 | mindjuju | with days of bidding and counter bidding |
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| 19:07.09 | thebigdog | man i ready for some lunch |
| 19:08.30 | RedHeron | mindjuju: It merely STARTS tomorrow. |
| 19:08.53 | mindjuju | yes, i understand that |
| 19:09.13 | mindjuju | i misread what thebigdog was saying, no worries |
| 19:16.21 | RedHeron | Just don't let it happen again! |
| 19:16.55 | jsmith | thebigdog: Lunch is a great idea... and the chile rellenos were great today :-p |
| 19:17.11 | thebigdog | oh |
| 19:17.38 | thebigdog | perhaps i need some chipottles today |
| 19:29.20 | brasto | herlo, what's the utos wiki url? |
| 19:29.31 | brasto | I have my password, but don't remember where the wiki is... |
| 19:30.17 | optikal | Lorenas eh? I was going to see about attending this geek lunch already, but that just makes it that much more awesome... Lorenas is grrrrreeeat.</tony the tiger> |
| 19:30.33 | optikal | We'll see if I make it though... will be my first week at the new job, so may be tough to juggle. |
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| 19:40.15 | thebigdog | anyone using any live chat software with their site? |
| 19:40.51 | mindjuju | timinator does |
| 19:41.05 | mindjuju | i have a VERY simple one using meta refresh |
| 19:41.17 | mindjuju | i looked into your suggestion of using xmpp, but was never able to get it rolling |
| 19:41.32 | mindjuju | though comet seems reasonable |
| 19:41.36 | mgeary_ | thebigdog: to do what? customer support? |
| 19:41.40 | mgeary_ | or letting members chat together? |
| 19:41.48 | mgeary_ | we're doing the latter right now |
| 19:41.49 | thebigdog | customer support |
| 19:41.56 | thebigdog | what are you guys running? |
| 19:42.10 | mindjuju | prolly flash based solution |
| 19:42.18 | mgeary_ | well, we're not doing it for support, so it's not apples-to-apples |
| 19:42.26 | mgeary_ | naw, mindjuju, we found something really liteweight: |
| 19:42.42 | mindjuju | oh, i hear the flash communication server handles chat very well |
| 19:42.58 | mgeary_ | yeah |
| 19:43.05 | mgeary_ | if you want to pay for FCS |
| 19:43.15 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:43.17 | mindjuju | yeah, but you have red5 as viable |
| 19:43.21 | thebigdog | mgeary_, wha are you guys running |
| 19:43.21 | mgeary_ | yes |
| 19:43.27 | mgeary_ | thebigdog: trying to find the link |
| 19:43.58 | mgeary_ | here: http://www.linuxuser.at/index.php?title=Most_Simple_Ajax_Chat_Ever |
| 19:44.05 | mgeary_ | like i said, it's *really* liteweight |
| 19:44.22 | mgeary_ | but it seems to work alright. We're going to beef it up with some caching and possibly archiving |
| 19:44.23 | olds | lol |
| 19:44.39 | olds | we rolled our own php based socket server |
| 19:44.46 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:44.51 | olds | for ajax + flash based communication |
| 19:44.54 | thebigdog | that seems like a lot of work olds |
| 19:44.58 | olds | it was a giant headache |
| 19:45.05 | thebigdog | i have setup a jabber one that worked really well |
| 19:45.12 | olds | especially since it was only a proof of concept for another company |
| 19:45.19 | thebigdog | im just wondering if i want to do it again |
| 19:45.26 | olds | it's like the most brittle code ever |
| 19:47.31 | thebigdog | last one i did hooked into a jabber server that was awesome |
| 19:47.36 | thebigdog | really allowed for scaling |
| 19:49.22 | olds | wow |
| 19:49.33 | olds | I'm just looking at this socket code again |
| 19:49.37 | olds | I forgot how much of it there is |
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| 19:56.29 | mgeary_ | thebigdog: that sounds cool |
| 19:58.19 | thebigdog | it was pretty cool |
| 19:58.29 | thebigdog | i set up the jabber server to use pgsql |
| 19:59.02 | thebigdog | so i used triggers to create jabber accounts when people created new user accounts |
| 19:59.12 | mgeary_ | nice |
| 19:59.36 | thebigdog | so i could pull data into the app from the jabber server |
| 19:59.41 | thebigdog | like messages and such |
| 19:59.51 | mgeary_ | yeah |
| 20:00.02 | thebigdog | and it really had no traffic on the site |
| 20:00.11 | thebigdog | just hit the jabber server |
| 20:00.20 | thebigdog | and i used a java applet for the chatting |
| 20:00.28 | thebigdog | wps did not created me a nice flash one :( |
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| 20:58.20 | mgeary_ | ~rlart |
| 20:58.21 | jbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in cycokilr's direction, hitting cycokilr and sending cycokilr flying into the closet |
| 20:58.44 | cycokilr | ouch |
| 20:59.00 | cycokilr | i was trying to get some sleep.. |
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| 21:05.59 | SunSparc | Permission to be reassigned to engineering? |
| 21:06.33 | mindjuju | make it so! |
| 21:06.45 | timinator | permission granted |
| 21:06.50 | SunSparc | Sweet! |
| 21:06.54 | SunSparc | I mean, thank you sir. |
| 21:10.08 | herlo | brasto: http://collective.utos.org |
| 21:10.26 | herlo | brasto: it also works as http://wiki.utos.org |
| 21:12.53 | thebigdog | ~lart mindjuju |
| 21:12.53 | jbot | beats mindjuju over the head with a microkernel |
| 21:13.15 | mindjuju | ~dhit thebigdog |
| 21:13.15 | jbot | ACTION appears on thebigdog's left side and performs the Ricer Slayer Blow upon thebigdog's shoulder |
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| 21:15.53 | herlo | mindjuju: why I otta! |
| 21:16.00 | mindjuju | sorry! |
| 21:16.16 | mindjuju | i was blocking so fast, didn't get to deflect to somebody i chose |
| 21:16.20 | mindjuju | it was pretty random |
| 21:16.53 | mindjuju | you know, #uphpu rules are that if you want to deflect an attack, you have 30 seconds from the time of the attack to deflect, else your deflection failed |
| 21:19.07 | mindjuju | love that one |
| 21:19.14 | mindjuju | is it the one with the chorus? |
| 21:19.14 | Utah_Dave | I love your rules, mindjuju |
| 21:19.22 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Yep |
| 21:21.19 | mgeary | Freude, schöne Götterfunkel, Tochter aus Elysium.... |
| 21:22.01 | SunSparc | mgeary: Exactly |
| 21:22.18 | mgeary | Wir betreten feuertrunken Heiliger, dein Heiligtum |
| 21:22.23 | mindjuju | ~nosepick utah_dave |
| 21:22.23 | jbot | ACTION plucks utah_dave out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 21:23.55 | kingsol | can someone tell me why this wouldn't work in MySQL |
| 21:24.03 | kingsol | SELECT source,count(1) from site_data.site_job_apps GROUP BY source ORDER BY count(1) DESC |
| 21:24.03 | kingsol | |
| 21:24.50 | kingsol | this syntax will work in mssql but isn't workign mysql for me |
| 21:27.48 | mindjuju | what is the error it is saying? |
| 21:28.26 | kingsol | Invalid use of group function |
| 21:29.13 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 21:29.44 | PoeticIntensity | have you tried just selecting the count(1) without the source? |
| 21:31.09 | PoeticIntensity | okay.... |
| 21:31.12 | PoeticIntensity | I have a question... |
| 21:31.21 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta google to ask it, though. |
| 21:32.05 | kingsol | cool |
| 21:32.12 | kingsol | without the order by |
| 21:32.15 | kingsol | the query works great |
| 21:32.39 | mgeary | kingsol: are you trying to impose an order on what gets grouped? |
| 21:32.42 | jsmith | What if you put the ORDER BY before the GROUP BY? |
| 21:32.43 | mgeary | 'cause you can't do it that way |
| 21:33.29 | mgeary | if you want the result of a group by to be in a specific order (like getting the last/first item), you need to do a subquery in the join |
| 21:33.34 | mgeary | is that what you want, kingsol? |
| 21:34.42 | mgeary | otherwise known as a "groupwise max" |
| 21:35.14 | mgeary | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/example-maximum-column-group-row.html |
| 21:35.19 | kingsol | what I am after is ordering the each source by the total records |
| 21:36.09 | mgeary | try COUNT(site_data.source) instead of COUNT(1) |
| 21:36.27 | kingsol | ok.. one sec |
| 21:38.27 | jsmith | kingsol: On MySQL 5, you should be able to do "SELECT source, COUNT(1) as foo FROM site_data.site_job_apps GROUP BY source ORDER BY foo DESC" |
| 21:38.35 | jsmith | kingsol: In fact, I just tried it here, and it worked for me. |
| 21:38.45 | kingsol | that worked |
| 21:38.53 | jsmith | ;-) |
| 21:38.53 | kingsol | great htank you guys! |
| 21:39.06 | jsmith | Nice to know I still have some MySQL skillz |
| 21:39.38 | kingsol | you all rock... thank you |
| 21:39.41 | mgeary | kingsol: which worked? |
| 21:39.56 | mgeary | aliasing the COUNT() result? or changing what you counted? |
| 21:40.04 | kingsol | changing what we counted |
| 21:40.11 | mgeary | gotcha |
| 21:40.16 | jsmith | Hmmmn... aliasing the count worked for me |
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| 21:41.50 | mgeary | hey, anyone have a good link i can give to someone who thinks using IE on the Mac is a good idea? It's been officially dead and unsupported for, what 4 years now? |
| 21:43.04 | _psychic_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac (Concerns and Problems) ? |
| 21:43.23 | mgeary | yeah, got that one |
| 21:43.49 | mgeary | was hoping for something straight from Microsoft, 'If you use IE on the Mac, you're crazy, stupid, or both'. You know... ;) |
| 21:44.27 | mindjuju | that article that _psychic_ posted says that |
| 21:44.30 | herlo | Utah_Dave: gee thanks |
| 21:44.34 | mindjuju | Microsoft discontinued support for the product on December 31, 2005 and removed the application from their Macintosh downloads site on January 31, 2006. Microsoft recommends "that Macintosh users migrate to more recent web browsing technologies such as Apple's Safari." [2] |
| 21:44.39 | mindjuju | second paragraph last sentence |
| 21:44.46 | mgeary | ohh nice. thanks |
| 21:46.04 | _psychic_ | you just need to ignore your cave-dwelling friend |
| 21:48.29 | mgeary | nah, it's a school teacher using an app we developed |
| 21:49.52 | tierra | it's great how often computer illiterate friends/coworkers don't trust the experts when stuff like that is brought up... |
| 21:50.03 | tierra | like they know better |
| 21:51.07 | PoeticIntensity | I just got a marching order to change the design of the site I'm working on.... |
| 21:51.19 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 21:51.33 | PoeticIntensity | they now want one of those "tabbed boxes" within the screen that doesn't refresh the whole page when the tab is clicked upon... |
| 21:51.37 | PoeticIntensity | example: |
| 21:51.42 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ajaxlessons.com/demo/workshop2.html |
| 21:51.53 | PoeticIntensity | anybody ever done anything like that before? |
| 21:52.02 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Yep |
| 21:52.08 | mgeary | yep |
| 21:52.13 | SunSparc | JavaScript is cool |
| 21:52.17 | mindjuju | through dojo toolkit yes |
| 21:52.18 | PoeticIntensity | it seems that using AJAX for it wouldn't be as efficient as using javascript to load the contents of the whole page beforehand... |
| 21:52.28 | mgeary | right |
| 21:52.31 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 21:52.34 | mgeary | we usually take that approach |
| 21:52.40 | mgeary | just have a bunch of divs with display:none |
| 21:52.41 | PoeticIntensity | did you write it from scratch? |
| 21:52.43 | SunSparc | Unless there is dynamic content |
| 21:52.45 | PoeticIntensity | precisely. |
| 21:52.48 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 21:52.48 | mgeary | it's pretty easy |
| 21:52.52 | PoeticIntensity | it's dynamic, but not based on the page. |
| 21:52.53 | bradym | PoeticIntensity: http://www.barelyfitz.com/projects/tabber/ |
| 21:53.21 | bradym | i used that for a site once, works pretty well |
| 21:53.38 | SunSparc | http://bliscompany.com/news.php |
| 21:56.39 | PoeticIntensity | awesome... |
| 21:56.46 | PoeticIntensity | I'll take a look and see what I can learn... |
| 21:56.51 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for the tips, guys. |
| 21:58.11 | mindjuju | SunSparc - did you style the pictures on that link or was that somebody else? |
| 21:58.31 | SunSparc | That whole site was pure "me". |
| 21:58.52 | mindjuju | really like the color choice and love the look of those pictures |
| 21:59.13 | SunSparc | Well, a designer did all the graphics, and I put it all together. I wish I had graphic sk1llz |
| 21:59.42 | SunSparc | I did all the xhtml, css, php, and most of the javascript |
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| 22:08.44 | wps | isn't this valid? |
| 22:08.45 | wps | function retrieve_users($group == '', $role == '', $user == '') { |
| 22:08.52 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 22:08.55 | wps | I just noticed what's wrong |
| 22:08.57 | wps | == instead of = |
| 22:09.17 | jsmith | Bingo |
| 22:09.31 | wps | I love it |
| 22:10.07 | wps | I stare at it for ten minutes and can't see the problem and not until I post publicly do I see it |
| 22:12.31 | mgeary | it's an evolutionary mechanism to regulate hubris |
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| 22:25.19 | mgeary | btw, mindjuju, that domain that NS squatted on is indeed available today. so it *is* 4 days |
| 22:26.07 | mindjuju | oh good! errrr.... that's still bad, but i guess its not so bad? |
| 22:26.17 | mgeary | could be worse, but still annoying |
| 22:26.30 | mindjuju | v annoying |
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| 22:28.01 | mindjuju | like you own 250 domains? |
| 22:28.06 | SunSparc | That is a couple. |
| 22:28.08 | mgeary | all active sites |
| 22:28.14 | tierra | heh |
| 22:28.41 | mgeary | probably make more dough as parked domains ;) |
| 22:28.48 | tierra | haha |
| 22:35.59 | PoeticIntensity | okay.... |
| 22:36.00 | PoeticIntensity | question: |
| 22:36.04 | PoeticIntensity | with this "tab box" thing... |
| 22:36.08 | mindjuju | answer: 42 |
| 22:36.20 | SunSparc | I echo mindjuju |
| 22:36.25 | PoeticIntensity | how do I make each box be absolutely positioned, yet push content below is down? |
| 22:36.29 | PoeticIntensity | ahhh yes.... duh... |
| 22:36.30 | PoeticIntensity | 42. |
| 22:36.45 | PoeticIntensity | below it. not "below is" |
| 22:37.14 | mindjuju | add a <br style="clear:both" /> after the final div |
| 22:37.31 | PoeticIntensity | I thought that only cleared floats... |
| 22:37.46 | mindjuju | oh, yeah, absolute |
| 22:37.49 | mindjuju | hmm... |
| 22:37.53 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 22:38.13 | PoeticIntensity | each "container of tabbed information" has to be positioned the same... |
| 22:38.15 | mindjuju | i've never tried clearbothon absolute |
| 22:38.25 | PoeticIntensity | the only way I know how to do that is with absolute positioning. |
| 22:38.38 | SunSparc | It has been too long for me. You can take a look at that site I did. Might help. |
| 22:38.48 | PoeticIntensity | yet, with it absolute, it basically gives the rest of the content on the page the finger. :) |
| 22:38.56 | PoeticIntensity | SunSparc, I'll take a look. |
| 22:39.12 | mindjuju | well, it takes the thing being absoluted out of the flow of the page |
| 22:39.27 | mindjuju | so everything else renders right, just minus that part absoluted |
| 22:39.32 | mindjuju | WHICH gives me an idea |
| 22:40.02 | mindjuju | i wonder what would happen if you put a div not absolute underneath it all which the other elements would respect |
| 22:40.45 | PoeticIntensity | SunSparc, it looks like you're doing it the same way the "barelyfitz" way... |
| 22:41.06 | PoeticIntensity | I really wish I could formulate sentences today... |
| 22:41.06 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: :) Could be |
| 22:41.07 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh* |
| 22:45.48 | PoeticIntensity | ooh ooh.... |
| 22:45.50 | PoeticIntensity | I'm on to somethin'... |
| 22:46.06 | PoeticIntensity | if you stack divs on top of one another... |
| 22:46.24 | PoeticIntensity | and set the visibility:hidden;position:absolute; on the ones you DON'T want to see... |
| 22:46.31 | PoeticIntensity | it leaves the one you DO want to see perfectly positioned... |
| 22:46.49 | PoeticIntensity | eeeeeenteresting... |
| 22:49.35 | SunSparc | Sounds familiar... |
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| 22:54.06 | SunSparc | Ah, Red Snapper! Very good. |
| 22:55.39 | SunSparc | U2++ |
| 22:56.30 | SunSparc | Speaking of which, anyone heard of this: http://www.u23dmovie.com/ |
| 22:57.32 | mindjuju | curious, i thought that came off of Robin Hood, sunsparc |
| 22:57.36 | mindjuju | yes, movie at Sundance |
| 22:57.41 | brasto | ok, herlo, I have a password, but I apparently remember my user name wrong... any idea what my user name was? |
| 22:57.59 | SunSparc | mindjuju: It did, that album is a greatest hits |
| 22:58.16 | mindjuju | i was going to suggest that we as geeks go to Sundance and watch a "somehow" tech related movie, but got swamped on some projects last couple of days |
| 23:01.14 | brasto | undertakingyou was the one that sent me the user name in an earlier email that I no longer have, so if he's available, he can also answer the question I just sent to herlo... |
| 23:01.38 | mgeary | alright, so i've been handed a dataset with some duplicate rows. Anyone have a nifty sql query that can delete duplicate rows, preserving the first one? |
| 23:08.40 | fungus | Just import them into an existing table with proper constraints. Best to use "INSERT IGNORE" |
| 23:09.23 | mgeary | good idea |
| 23:09.33 | mgeary | that preserves the old data in case there's probs |
| 23:09.35 | mgeary | i like it |
| 23:10.00 | fungus | yup |
| 23:10.19 | fungus | Any record that fails a constraint will simply be skipped. |
| 23:10.41 | fungus | If you want to replace the existing record with the new one you could use "REPLACE". |
| 23:21.23 | PoeticIntensity | man... I love it when stuff just works. |
| 23:21.40 | PoeticIntensity | my "tab box" theory is working ... like... too well. |
| 23:21.47 | mindjuju | dat cool |
| 23:22.01 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
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| 23:42.05 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Congrats |
| 23:42.15 | PoeticIntensity | thankee... |
| 23:42.32 | PoeticIntensity | I thought I'd take up all of today and most of tomorrow just trying to figure it out... |
| 23:42.42 | PoeticIntensity | and right now I've all but got it all finished. |
| 23:43.00 | SunSparc | I love it when a plan comes together. |
| 23:43.04 | PoeticIntensity | I guess the whole css paradigm sticks when ya keep at it. :) |
| 23:43.08 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.. me too, SunSparc... |
| 23:43.14 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:43.16 | PoeticIntensity | so does my boss... *cha-ching* |
| 23:43.26 | mindjuju | i loathe it when a plan comes all together |
| 23:44.31 | PoeticIntensity | ~slap mindjuju |
| 23:44.31 | jbot | ACTION slaps mindjuju, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 23:44.49 | mindjuju | whew! just barely |
| 23:45.06 | mindjuju | sorry bout that orsonj |
| 23:46.22 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:46.30 | PoeticIntensity | what a bunch of nuts, we are.... |
| 23:46.30 | PoeticIntensity | oh... |
| 23:46.45 | PoeticIntensity | and FWIW, the whole <br style="clear:both" /> thing doesn't work in IE7 |
| 23:46.56 | PoeticIntensity | a <div> does, though. |
| 23:46.58 | mindjuju | yeah it do |
| 23:47.05 | PoeticIntensity | <div style="clear:both"></div> |
| 23:47.09 | mindjuju | done it b4 |
| 23:47.10 | PoeticIntensity | not on mine it ain't. |
| 23:47.23 | PoeticIntensity | I done did just tried uht. |
| 23:47.35 | PoeticIntensity | deanant werk. |
| 23:47.48 | PoeticIntensity | to be more specific.... |
| 23:47.52 | mindjuju | shooooo t, i'm fixin' to bust on your HTML |
| 23:47.59 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:48.22 | PoeticIntensity | I'm trying to make an outer div extend to the bottom of a right-floated image. |
| 23:48.34 | PoeticIntensity | in IE7, the box doesn't care about the <br clear> at the bottom. |
| 23:48.51 | PoeticIntensity | the box which is supposed to be containing the image closes about 1/4 way down the image. |
| 23:48.55 | olds | DENIED |
| 23:49.09 | PoeticIntensity | have I met you before, olds? |
| 23:49.25 | PoeticIntensity | you been hangin' around here a bit.... but I never done seen ya b'for. |
| 23:50.50 | PoeticIntensity | I need food. |
| 23:50.51 | olds | I don't think we've met |
| 23:51.10 | PoeticIntensity | well, anyway.... welcome to the group, even though you've been here like months. |
| 23:51.12 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 23:51.29 | olds | yea, I've been in here off and on for over a year |
| 23:52.14 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |