| 00:35.04 | burnin | orsonj, 204.228.142.195 |
| 00:46.21 | orsonj | I only get one listing for that addr. It is beginning to sound like one of those things that will never happen, but are technically possible, so they bite you 3 years later when you've completly forgot about it. |
| 00:55.02 | burnin | orsonj, how are you attempting to pull all possible domains on a reverse lookup? I can't even get dig to show all 3 domains attached to that ip. |
| 01:01.04 | orsonj | I'm using http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.gethostbyaddr.php#64527 and I check some with dig |
| 01:02.44 | orsonj | I'm not trying to get all possible domains, just the results of a reverse lookup where there are multiple. (slight difference) |
| 01:04.21 | orsonj | I am attempting to make my searchengine bot detector a bit more robust. |
| 01:04.24 | orsonj | http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2006/09/how-to-verify-googlebot.html |
| 01:04.38 | orsonj | http://botsosphere.blogspot.com/2007/05/automatic-verification-of-machine.html |
| 01:05.30 | orsonj | First link: google's official howto, second link: some guy who thinks it is a bad idea. |
| 01:07.55 | orsonj | Doing a half check has worked fine for me, but I feel like doing a full implementation just 'cause |
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| 01:11.29 | orsonj | myipneighbors does a good job, but I have no idea how it works. |
| 01:13.42 | burnin | could be wrong, but I suspect myipneighbors is based on their own crawling as I see they are listing subdomains as well, which are not included in the DNS records. |
| 01:13.54 | burnin | and they are missing some subdomains. |
| 01:14.38 | burnin | and, they seem to be missing one of the domains to which it resolves from DNS records. |
| 01:15.32 | orsonj | yeah, sounds likely |
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| 04:20.42 | jgiboney | wps isn't | for an or statement? |
| 04:21.10 | wps | yes, || is or and && is and |
| 04:21.23 | jgiboney | so in your email you asked if they were the same |
| 04:21.47 | wps | not if || and && were the same |
| 04:21.54 | wps | but if my logic produced the same results |
| 04:22.10 | wps | in English: |
| 04:22.29 | jgiboney | b would have to equal true or false wouldn't it? |
| 04:22.33 | wps | if $var does not equal a or b |
| 04:22.35 | wps | compared to |
| 04:22.50 | wps | if $var does not equal a and $var does not equal b |
| 04:23.14 | jgiboney | have you tried it? |
| 04:23.17 | wps | it works in English, but not in PHP" |
| 04:23.45 | jgiboney | i think that both sides of the || have to be an equation |
| 04:24.09 | wps | they do |
| 04:24.32 | jgiboney | so they are different in both english and php |
| 04:24.56 | jgiboney | in the first one only one has to be false, in the second both have to be false |
| 04:25.14 | wps | not if English doesn't have the restriction that both sides of the || have to be an equation :) |
| 04:25.37 | jgiboney | that is true |
| 04:26.51 | jgiboney | are you having a problem coding that or something? |
| 04:27.01 | wps | nope, just exploring my options |
| 04:27.28 | wps | eating Pepperidge Farm Goldfish crackers is nearly impossible without a beverage |
| 04:27.39 | jgiboney | lol |
| 04:27.45 | jgiboney | i would agree |
| 04:30.46 | jgiboney | with your second question, isn't the ":" give you a choice between two options? |
| 04:31.19 | wps | yes, but instead of a default, I don't want the var to be set |
| 04:32.11 | jgiboney | if the var isn't set it would equal null/false/0 |
| 04:37.00 | jgiboney | Is most PHP done procedurally? Is most "well-done" PHP done procedurally? |
| 04:37.43 | wps | what do you mean by "procedurally"? |
| 04:38.01 | jgiboney | instead of object oriented |
| 04:38.18 | wps | ah, yes, I would definitely say that most PHP is not OOP |
| 04:39.09 | wps | well… hmm… perhaps I was too quick with that statement |
| 04:39.18 | wps | it's hard to know how much PHP is out there and how it is being used |
| 04:39.29 | wps | OOP is relatively new to PHP |
| 04:39.47 | jgiboney | is that because of bad habits, because OOP is more demanding, or because OOP is not necessary for most PHP programming? |
| 04:40.15 | wps | PHP didn't support OOP (well, thoroughly) until this last release |
| 04:40.40 | jgiboney | oh, i thought it was OO since PHP3 |
| 04:40.48 | wps | nope… didn't do true OOP until 5 |
| 04:41.28 | jgiboney | guess you can't believe everything you read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP |
| 04:41.31 | wps | also, PHP is an easy language to pick up so it is the language of choice for newbies and HTML-kiddies… most of which do not have formal programming training and therefore do not know how to do OOP or just don't utilize it |
| 04:41.51 | jgiboney | do you do a lot with OOP? |
| 04:41.56 | wps | none |
| 04:42.18 | jgiboney | why? |
| 04:42.46 | wps | in regards to the wikipedia information… I am not 100% positive about OOPs history in PHP… but my understanding is that you could make it work before 5 but it wasn't true OOP and was a headache |
| 04:42.52 | wps | I don't have a need to |
| 04:43.26 | jgiboney | is that because you usually do front end stuff? |
| 04:43.33 | wps | OOP would add unnecessary complexity and overhead for the type of programming that I do (generally) |
| 04:43.46 | wps | yes, generally |
| 04:45.01 | jgiboney | I have been working with objects over the last two days, and it adds a lot of logic to the webpage |
| 04:45.09 | wps | for example, we're actually in the process of un-OOP-ing our in-house CMS at the moment, because there is no benefit to it and it only makes it more difficult to maintain and extend |
| 04:45.10 | jgiboney | makes it take a lot longer |
| 04:45.18 | wps | yup |
| 04:45.49 | jgiboney | I would think OOP would make it easier to extend. |
| 04:46.09 | wps | "extend" may not have been the bets word to use |
| 04:48.04 | jgiboney | What do you think of memcache? |
| 04:48.12 | wps | not familiar with it |
| 04:49.03 | jgiboney | memcache is a caching system which can be used with php, perl and others |
| 04:49.30 | jgiboney | you can put objects and even whole pages into it so that they load faster |
| 04:49.44 | jgiboney | it can really reduce the need to hit the dbms |
| 04:50.20 | wps | we use a custom caching engine |
| 04:50.33 | jgiboney | that's cool |
| 04:51.11 | wps | we haven't been using it, but are turning it on now as we just hit a million page views per month |
| 04:51.34 | jgiboney | wow |
| 04:52.02 | wps | yeah, we get a lot of traffic |
| 04:52.23 | jgiboney | you work for omniture right? |
| 04:52.27 | wps | yeah |
| 04:52.33 | wps | run their website |
| 04:53.34 | jgiboney | that's cool, I participated in their web analytics competition at BYU |
| 04:53.44 | wps | nice |
| 04:57.22 | jgiboney | i wonder how all those writers are living without pay |
| 04:57.30 | wps | no kidding |
| 04:57.48 | jgiboney | they must have been getting pretty good money before |
| 05:00.38 | wps | I would think so |
| 05:00.54 | wps | that's the problem I have with it |
| 05:00.54 | wps | (granted I'm assuming) |
| 05:01.37 | wps | I have zero sympathy for those that cry that make more than 65K a year |
| 05:01.40 | wps | got over yourself |
| 05:01.49 | wps | especially professional athletes |
| 05:01.52 | wps | it's pathetic |
| 05:01.54 | jgiboney | ya, it is hard for me to understand, they seem to have been making good money, and if they had a problem with it, I would think they could negotiate better one on one |
| 05:02.38 | wps | they make enough in two years that they could retire for the rest of their live (if invested properly) |
| 05:03.03 | wps | so I say to them "boo-hoo… shut up and play your game" |
| 05:03.24 | wps | I get so sick of hearing them complain |
| 05:04.29 | jgiboney | if we wait long enough it will destroy the union (which may be good), because all these students will graduate in english and such and will want jobs, and won't care about the union because they have school loans |
| 05:04.56 | wps | I hate unions |
| 05:05.02 | wps | and wish they would all go away |
| 05:05.32 | wps | free market and healthy competition are the best things for an economy |
| 05:05.42 | wps | that's why I don't know if the writers will ever get what they way |
| 05:05.54 | wps | the networks will just find other people to write for them |
| 05:06.12 | wps | many of the shows are already back on the air getting content from alternate sources… working through loop-holes |
| 06:25.48 | olds | I think the perversion that unions have become are despicable, but their basic premise can be benefitial |
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| 21:57.11 | influx^^ | wps: Who's making you listen though? |