| 00:00.06 | mindjuju | oh i saw that one yesterday |
| 00:00.08 | mindjuju | it's cool! |
| 00:00.17 | SunSparc | Good night all! |
| 00:00.20 | tierra | yeah, I linked it here yesterday |
| 00:00.44 | mindjuju | what's the data plan run for it? |
| 00:01.44 | tierra | $20/mo unlimited |
| 00:01.50 | mindjuju | wha! |
| 00:01.51 | tierra | w/ 200 text |
| 00:02.00 | mindjuju | i could handle $20 a month |
| 00:02.04 | mindjuju | who is it through? |
| 00:02.06 | tierra | on 3G even, which is nice |
| 00:02.11 | tierra | AT&T |
| 00:02.21 | tierra | but they don't sell this phone... at least, not yet |
| 00:03.23 | tierra | I get downloads around 100KB/s on the phone on average |
| 00:04.07 | tierra | so unlimited data for $20 is very nice when you're on 3G... probably even better if you're on a PDA-phone |
| 00:04.48 | tierra | though I have been able to hook up my laptop to my phone, and use internet through it, so I could use it fast like that |
| 00:05.09 | mindjuju | that's cool! i've just been looking at verizon for service cause that's how i'm getting it so cheap now |
| 00:05.25 | tierra | what do you have? |
| 00:05.37 | mgeary | mmmm. Marzipan + Dark Chocolate = <3 |
| 00:05.42 | mindjuju | family plan with my father in law, i pay in $10 a month |
| 00:05.50 | mindjuju | but prolly use about 5 minutes a month |
| 00:05.54 | mindjuju | no kidding |
| 00:05.55 | tierra | heh |
| 00:06.09 | macnewbold | so can you get just unlimited internet for $20/month or do you have to have a voice plan too? |
| 00:06.21 | tierra | probably only with voice plan |
| 00:06.35 | macnewbold | I've got a verizon phone, but if unlim. internet were an option for that cheap, I'd seriously consider it |
| 00:06.46 | macnewbold | especially after I get me a macbook air |
| 00:06.55 | mindjuju | are you getting one? |
| 00:06.56 | macnewbold | I've been using the same old laptop since 2001 |
| 00:06.58 | olds | that'd be a sweet setup |
| 00:07.07 | tierra | which kinda sucked, I was on an old plan, didn't need more minutes, and it was cheaper than their cheapest now, but I had to sign a new contract on a new plan |
| 00:07.09 | macnewbold | and I'm really glad I've waited to get a new one |
| 00:07.30 | macnewbold | I'm not getting one right away, but when I'm looking to get one, something that sweet for $1800 is sounding really nice |
| 00:13.45 | mgeary | what's the difference on those two hard drives? |
| 00:13.49 | mgeary | what's SSD? |
| 00:14.02 | mindjuju | solid state |
| 00:14.14 | mgeary | ah, Flash Drive |
| 00:14.16 | mindjuju | like thumb drive, AFAIK |
| 00:14.21 | mindjuju | no moving parts |
| 00:14.26 | mgeary | but don't those have a finite number of read/write ops they can do? |
| 00:14.36 | mgeary | or have they fixed that now? |
| 00:14.46 | fungus | Yes, but that number is high enough to make it usable. |
| 00:14.52 | mgeary | ah |
| 00:15.04 | mgeary | how does the seek time compare? |
| 00:15.09 | mgeary | and transfer rates? |
| 00:15.23 | mindjuju | seems like i've heard ssd is slower |
| 00:15.25 | fungus | Incredibly faster seek times |
| 00:15.28 | mindjuju | but can't remember where it was |
| 00:15.31 | mindjuju | oh, guess i was wrong |
| 00:15.39 | fungus | transfer might be slower though |
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| 00:15.55 | timinator | I'm out guys... later |
| 00:16.07 | Zelut | i have a php tuning question if anyone is available. |
| 00:17.04 | mgeary | Zelut: go for it |
| 00:17.14 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_state_disk |
| 00:17.43 | Zelut | i need some performance tuning tips for improved memory consumption. my box is using too much ram and dipping into swap. |
| 00:17.56 | mgeary | Zelut: that's a pretty vague request |
| 00:18.04 | Zelut | its been suggested i remove any php mods that i don't need, problem is i know jack about php other than installing it |
| 00:18.12 | olds | you need to profile your app |
| 00:18.16 | mgeary | Zelut: xdebug.org |
| 00:18.20 | olds | see where the memory consumption is coming from |
| 00:18.27 | mgeary | xdebug has a good memory profiling feature |
| 00:18.30 | olds | yea |
| 00:18.35 | Zelut | so all i'm basically running is wordpress, with a caching plugin. |
| 00:18.39 | olds | load that into kcachgegrind |
| 00:19.01 | fungus | Removing mods won't reduce the memory footprint that much, most of the memory is probably in the application |
| 00:19.06 | mgeary | agreed |
| 00:19.09 | olds | wordpress w/ caching uses about 6MB as I recall |
| 00:20.01 | Zelut | is there anything basic you'd suggest as far as tuning from the default? (ubuntu 7.10, php5) |
| 00:21.02 | mgeary | Zelut: how much ram do you have on the machine? |
| 00:21.11 | olds | Zelut: how many users is this site getting per day? |
| 00:21.24 | Zelut | 512M, roughly 5K uniques/day |
| 00:21.47 | mgeary | 512 aint much on a server |
| 00:21.50 | Zelut | i've got wp-cache plugin going, which should be generating static pages so the db requests aren't rampant |
| 00:22.05 | fungus | Using Apache's mpm_worker will be a lot better than mpm_prefork |
| 00:22.08 | olds | well, they're not exactly static |
| 00:22.41 | olds | how much do you have allocated to php? |
| 00:22.46 | Zelut | well, yeah.. wp didn't design it very well. moveable types model seems smarter to me, but it'd be a big job to port my site |
| 00:22.47 | olds | in terms of memory |
| 00:22.52 | fungus | You will need to ensure that each of the PHP modules you are using are thread safe before switching though. |
| 00:23.36 | Zelut | olds: hehe where would i find that? as i say, i don't know much in regards to php other than installing it.. |
| 00:24.03 | olds | so, are you getting errors that you're out of memory? |
| 00:24.29 | mgeary | no, he's getting HD swapping |
| 00:24.37 | olds | ahh |
| 00:24.40 | olds | hmm |
| 00:24.48 | Zelut | well i've had OOM errors too, but i *think* i've covered that.. |
| 00:25.31 | Zelut | i've tuned mysql a bit, tweaked prefork (i know worker is suggested, but switching breaks some other package..) |
| 00:26.05 | Zelut | ..and now i'm looking at tweaking php. also tentatively looking at moving to lighttpd to replace apache2. |
| 00:27.04 | fungus | using lighttpd to serve all your static content can help a whole lot. |
| 00:27.16 | olds | http://ocaoimh.ie/wp-super-cache/ |
| 00:27.33 | Zelut | i've got that |
| 00:27.38 | olds | a coworker was looking at that when we were implementing a wp project |
| 00:27.50 | olds | the super cache? |
| 00:28.23 | Zelut | yeah, wp-super-cache plugin is going (was originally wp-cache, but i moved to the super cache recently) |
| 00:28.40 | olds | hmmm |
| 00:29.11 | olds | latest wp? |
| 00:29.18 | Zelut | i wonder if there is a list someplace of the mods WP makes use of, and i assume i can remove the rest. |
| 00:29.47 | Zelut | latest wp, latest plugin version. updated services.. everything is brand-spankin'. |
| 00:30.17 | fungus | aptitude search php- | grep i |
| 00:30.24 | fungus | aptitude search php- | egrep ^i |
| 00:30.40 | fungus | That will list the mods installed |
| 00:31.48 | Zelut | ,--8<- |
| 00:31.49 | Zelut | |ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
| 00:31.52 | Zelut | |ii php5 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag |
| 00:31.55 | Zelut | |ii php5-common 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2 Common files for packages built from the php |
| 00:31.58 | Zelut | |ii php5-gd 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2 GD module for php5 |
| 00:32.00 | Zelut | |rc php5-mcrypt 5.2.3-0ubuntu1 MCrypt module for php5 |
| 00:32.03 | Zelut | |ii php5-mysql 5.2.3-1ubuntu6.2 MySQL module for php5 |
| 00:32.05 | Zelut | `-->8- |
| 00:32.14 | olds | seems about right |
| 00:32.31 | fungus | You don't have any unnecessary mods |
| 00:32.50 | olds | yea not at all |
| 00:32.53 | Zelut | ok. anything i might tweak in the php.ini? |
| 00:33.11 | fungus | Not relating to memory |
| 00:33.23 | fungus | other than the memory_limit, but that's just a limit |
| 00:34.13 | Zelut | well, i guess that's as good as she'll get then. |
| 00:34.22 | fungus | Looks like you might have graduated to the point where you need to worry about scaling. Congrats! |
| 00:34.35 | Zelut | would this do anything helpful? http://us.php.net/apc |
| 00:35.47 | Zelut | looks like php isn't really the problem, but i'm curious. it was suggested |
| 00:36.03 | fungus | opcode caching will only help speed of handling requests, not reduce memory usage. |
| 00:36.46 | fungus | Removing unnecessary modules can help a little, but ubuntu doesn't load it up with all the crap you don't need. |
| 00:41.09 | fungus | The best memory tweaking is within the app itself though. |
| 00:41.29 | mindjuju | josephscott_out is resident Wordpress guru |
| 00:41.41 | mindjuju | you may want to come back zelut, when he's available |
| 00:43.08 | Zelut | ok |
| 00:44.34 | josephscott_out | I'm sort of here :-) |
| 00:44.50 | josephscott_out | I read the scroll back, sounds like you need more RAM |
| 00:45.04 | olds | lol yea |
| 00:46.25 | josephscott_out | I mean you can strip down the memory use, but then you won't be able to handle as much traffic |
| 00:46.54 | Zelut | i've gone from 256 to 512.. site just keeps growing hehe |
| 00:47.25 | josephscott_out | yep, nature of things I'm afraid |
| 00:48.01 | josephscott_out | speaking of which, wordpress.com did 20 million page views today |
| 00:48.02 | mgeary | oh jeeze, i wouldn't think of setting up a server with less than 2GB of ram |
| 00:48.21 | josephscott_out | thanks in part to the live blogging at live.gizmodo.com today |
| 00:48.21 | mgeary | and my inclination would be more towards 4GB |
| 00:49.02 | fungus | That's usually a bit much for just a webserver |
| 00:49.17 | mgeary | what, 2 or 4? |
| 00:49.21 | fungus | 4 |
| 00:49.24 | josephscott_out | more memory == more better :-) |
| 00:49.41 | mgeary | that's where i'd like to be, "just a bit more RAM than you'll ever need" |
| 00:49.44 | fungus | Yes, but why waste the memory by not using it. |
| 00:50.10 | fungus | There is usually a period of time before scaling to that point is necessary. |
| 00:50.18 | josephscott_out | if you OS isn't using it then your OS is broken |
| 00:50.37 | fungus | why not take advantage of all your hardware to the best of your ability with virtualization. |
| 00:50.39 | mgeary | fungus: but you're making a lot of assumptions about the load on the server, are you not? or the number of virtual hosts, etc. |
| 00:50.41 | josephscott_out | a modern OS will be caching all sorts of stuff |
| 00:51.17 | fungus | Yes, but why not run 2 or 3 webservers on that hardware. |
| 00:51.28 | mgeary | in virtual machines, you mean? |
| 00:51.31 | fungus | then as need expands, add more hardware machines |
| 00:51.37 | fungus | yes. |
| 00:51.44 | mgeary | how would that be substantially different than just having virtual hosts? |
| 00:52.13 | fungus | Imagine running 4 webservers on one machine, then running into Zelut's problem. |
| 00:52.21 | josephscott_out | VMs aren't always a good solution, especially if disk I/O is a concern |
| 00:52.37 | fungus | Just add another real machine, migrate onr ore more of your servers live, without even a burp. |
| 00:52.50 | josephscott_out | not that they don't have their place, I just don't think they are the right answer to every question |
| 00:52.51 | fungus | Right, but webservers are great for vms |
| 00:53.00 | fungus | VMs, not the old OS vms. :) |
| 00:53.12 | josephscott_out | sounded like he was also running MySQL on that server though |
| 00:53.24 | olds | assuming you have hosts to split up like that |
| 00:53.38 | josephscott_out | also, why can't your web server take advantage of the hardware as it stands? |
| 00:53.41 | fungus | Right, using virtual machines, you can move stuff around depending on resources. |
| 00:54.41 | mgeary | well, i won't argue that virtualization of servers is only going to increasse |
| 00:54.56 | mgeary | and that there are very compelling arguments to do it |
| 00:55.08 | fungus | I am a big fan of it. |
| 00:55.16 | mgeary | but i'm completely inexperienced in it, so i opt for a machine with 4 GB of ram instead :) |
| 00:55.23 | fungus | 85% of my servers here are virtual. |
| 00:55.55 | olds | 0% here |
| 00:56.12 | fungus | I love being able to do hardware maintenance in the middle of the day with no one noticing. |
| 00:56.45 | olds | we don't ever need to do hardware maintenance |
| 00:56.51 | josephscott_out | what sort of load to you generally see on those servers? |
| 00:57.10 | fungus | CPU load averages about 20% |
| 00:57.24 | fungus | per host |
| 00:57.24 | josephscott_out | so fairly low |
| 00:57.40 | josephscott_out | we do hardware maint by taking the server out of the load balancing group |
| 00:57.56 | fungus | Yes, but if I had a separate machine for each server, load would be way down, and costs would go way up |
| 00:57.56 | olds | ditto, but that is so so so so rare |
| 00:58.16 | mindjuju | you know, gents |
| 00:58.27 | mindjuju | this conversation, right here, would be awesome for a uphpu meet |
| 00:58.42 | mindjuju | a panel on getting the most out of your web server |
| 00:59.06 | josephscott_out | fungus: how much did that server cost? |
| 00:59.19 | fungus | about $12k |
| 00:59.19 | josephscott_out | usually people buy fewer big servers to run VMs on |
| 00:59.38 | fungus | But that one host runs about 20 servers |
| 00:59.40 | josephscott_out | so still not really cheap :-) |
| 00:59.57 | josephscott_out | and you need more than one in order to do hw maint |
| 01:00.06 | fungus | Yup, I have 6 |
| 01:00.23 | josephscott_out | I don't mean to sound so poo-poo on VMs, really, I don't |
| 01:00.32 | olds | why not just load balance? |
| 01:00.34 | fungus | A good chunk of that price is VMware licensing. :( |
| 01:00.53 | josephscott_out | vmware, not xen? |
| 01:01.04 | josephscott_out | that will take chunk out of the performance as well |
| 01:01.17 | fungus | I would like to switch to Xen, but that will be quite a while to happen. |
| 01:01.47 | fungus | You can't really load balance a variety of servers. |
| 01:02.16 | olds | I think you're missing my point |
| 01:02.20 | fungus | A load balancer won't help me in my situation. |
| 01:02.40 | josephscott_out | and that's the key point, use the best tool for the job/situation |
| 01:02.47 | fungus | Right. |
| 01:02.50 | olds | but whatever |
| 01:02.54 | josephscott_out | and I'm really out now |
| 01:03.24 | josephscott_out | Zelut: add more memory :-) |
| 01:03.27 | josephscott_out | later |
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| 01:06.42 | mindjuju | so olds, i'm thinking this will be the topic for May |
| 01:06.45 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.59 | mindjuju | Panel of 4 or 5 people |
| 01:07.18 | mindjuju | what you think? |
| 01:08.28 | mgeary | sounds cool |
| 01:08.40 | mindjuju | hey mgeary, didn't know you were still around |
| 01:08.44 | mindjuju | wouldn't that be cool? |
| 01:08.47 | mgeary | yep |
| 01:08.58 | mindjuju | hey, that reminds me, are you going to Neumont on Jan 23? |
| 01:09.10 | mgeary | Neumont...? |
| 01:09.26 | mindjuju | it's like a big Adobe meeting for Flex, Flash, Air |
| 01:09.34 | mindjuju | i know a lot of UGs are going |
| 01:09.35 | mgeary | ah, well then i guess i just answered your question |
| 01:09.36 | mindjuju | like Flash |
| 01:09.48 | mgeary | i've stepped down as the UDFUG leader. after 8 years, it was time for a change |
| 01:10.29 | mindjuju | 8 years, that a heck of a long time |
| 01:10.43 | mgeary | yeap |
| 01:13.09 | mgeary | so, by the way |
| 01:13.14 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 01:13.17 | mgeary | the wifey *fixed* the dryer. how cool is that? |
| 01:13.25 | mgeary | she replaced the motor, the blower and the belt |
| 01:13.26 | mgeary | sheesh |
| 01:13.35 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 01:13.44 | mgeary | seriously. |
| 01:14.03 | mindjuju | course though, i think there was a Simpsons episode about that |
| 01:14.10 | mgeary | oh yeah? |
| 01:14.12 | mgeary | missed that one |
| 01:14.18 | mindjuju | Marge finds a collection of Time Life Repair books |
| 01:14.25 | mindjuju | and becomes this awesome handyman |
| 01:14.25 | mgeary | don't get to watch simpsons, now that i've got kids ;) |
| 01:14.34 | mgeary | and? |
| 01:15.00 | mindjuju | but nobody wants to hire a female carpenter / handyman, so Homer pretends to do the work and collects payment / praise, while she does all the work |
| 01:15.08 | mindjuju | twas pretty funny |
| 01:16.19 | mgeary | heh |
| 01:16.21 | mgeary | there we go |
| 01:17.52 | PoeticIntensity | I would *very* much like to have a meeting about getting the most out of hardware, mindjuju |
| 01:18.07 | PoeticIntensity | I know very little about a lot of it. |
| 01:18.11 | PoeticIntensity | I'd like to know more. |
| 01:18.12 | mindjuju | yeah, just finished documenting how the series would go |
| 01:18.16 | mindjuju | we could have 3 series |
| 01:18.21 | mindjuju | errr... series of 3 |
| 01:18.32 | mindjuju | battle of sysops, battle of codepoets and battle of dbas |
| 01:18.41 | mindjuju | panel of 3 ~ 5 players |
| 01:18.45 | mindjuju | and all questions / answers |
| 01:18.54 | mindjuju | or maybe small presentation? |
| 01:18.55 | PoeticIntensity | very interesting... |
| 01:19.11 | mindjuju | so for codepoets, it would be things you could do to your code to make it streamlined |
| 01:20.16 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta say this: I'd be super-duper happy to give a presentation where I do nothing but rant on how sick people must be to do Microsoft -> Linux transitions all day. |
| 01:20.34 | PoeticIntensity | I thought I'd be working on code today.... but NOOOOO.... |
| 01:20.46 | mindjuju | how did that database conversion go? |
| 01:20.48 | PoeticIntensity | I've been setting up two tables and fighting tooth and nail to keep the data consistent. |
| 01:20.59 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 01:21.07 | mindjuju | sorry couldn't help more, was swamped |
| 01:21.17 | PoeticIntensity | getting the SQL wasn't hard (thanks to you), but there were character set problems... |
| 01:21.28 | PoeticIntensity | and other crud that crept up... |
| 01:21.35 | PoeticIntensity | just a royal paint in the hiney... |
| 01:21.36 | mindjuju | oh yeah, the utf8 stuff |
| 01:21.39 | PoeticIntensity | but - now most of it's done... |
| 01:21.41 | PoeticIntensity | (yes) |
| 01:21.51 | mindjuju | well good, i'm glad you made it past database migration |
| 01:21.57 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 01:22.06 | PoeticIntensity | in the company's db, they have around 200 tables... |
| 01:22.10 | PoeticIntensity | I've migrated two of them. |
| 01:22.10 | mindjuju | oh |
| 01:22.30 | PoeticIntensity | I do believe, however, that these two tables are *BY FAR* the most difficult. |
| 01:22.44 | PoeticIntensity | I also believe that 60-70% of the rest of them aren't even necessary... |
| 01:22.47 | PoeticIntensity | so... we're good. |
| 01:23.46 | mgeary | well, later folks. gonna go home and watch the dryer |
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| 07:33.34 | olds | mindjuju: sounds good |
| 07:33.41 | olds | about the May topic |
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| 15:37.25 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you around? |
| 15:39.54 | jsmith | thebigdog: Quick question for you... deep dark database question. |
| 15:40.27 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:40.30 | thebigdog | im here |
| 15:40.35 | thebigdog | ~ping mindjuju |
| 15:40.36 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 15:40.39 | jsmith | thebigdog: Let's say I have a PostgreSQL query like SELECT foo, bar, baz FROM yak WHERE sky = 'blue', and it returns 100,000 records, using the proper index |
| 15:40.55 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:41.01 | jsmith | thebigdog: Then let's say I add a "LIMIT 10" to the end of the query, and suddenly the planner goes all wonky and uses the wrong index |
| 15:41.19 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:41.27 | jsmith | thebigdog: Any ideas on how to beat it into submission? Adding the "LIMIT 10" makes the query go from minutes to literally hours. |
| 15:41.49 | thebigdog | use a cursor |
| 15:42.20 | jsmith | thebigdog: That's an idea... Why didn't I think of that?j |
| 15:42.26 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 15:42.51 | jsmith | So easy, no wonder I didn't think of it! I was looking for the difficult solution. |
| 15:42.53 | thebigdog | i use cursors for anything really over 5000 records |
| 15:43.06 | thebigdog | that i need to get a limit with |
| 15:43.07 | jsmith | (Retrain the planner, for the query to use the "wrong" index, etc.) |
| 15:43.38 | thebigdog | i think limits should use built in cursors |
| 15:43.40 | thebigdog | imho |
| 15:44.02 | jsmith | I'm learning that lesson myself, obviously ;-) |
| 15:44.50 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 15:50.21 | thebigdog | mindjuju, is sleeping at the computer again |
| 15:51.23 | thebigdog | anyone have a 17" mac book? |
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| 15:51.54 | thebigdog | timinator, what size is your mac? |
| 15:52.03 | timinator | large |
| 15:52.04 | thebigdog | you have a pro right? |
| 15:52.07 | timinator | very large |
| 15:52.16 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 15:52.17 | jbot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to spray mace at thebigdog |
| 15:52.21 | timinator | ... yes... MacBook Pro |
| 15:52.30 | timinator | 17" screen |
| 15:52.47 | timinator | 160 GB HD, 2 GB Ram, etc |
| 15:52.54 | thebigdog | how much diff between the 15" one? |
| 15:53.12 | timinator | I used to have a 15"... and I really like the 17" better |
| 15:53.17 | timinator | but I use mine on a desk |
| 15:53.18 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:53.55 | timinator | but I prefer the screen real estate to the overall size/convinence..... fungus is the opposite |
| 15:54.27 | timinator | but I don't plan on ever going back to a 15" or smaller |
| 15:54.28 | thebigdog | is the keyboard full? |
| 15:54.31 | timinator | yep |
| 15:55.10 | thebigdog | my boss wants me to order one...man they are expensive |
| 15:55.24 | timinator | yep.... but I think they're worth it |
| 15:55.28 | timinator | :) |
| 15:55.34 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 15:56.00 | timinator | what's your main comp? |
| 15:56.11 | timinator | will you use this MBP as your main? |
| 15:56.34 | thebigdog | i have a really nice deal desktop...but im going to be telecommuting |
| 15:56.40 | thebigdog | yes |
| 15:56.43 | thebigdog | that will be my main |
| 15:56.47 | timinator | yep |
| 15:57.11 | timinator | gotcha.... working on your lap or working on another desk? |
| 15:57.20 | thebigdog | he told me specifically to get the mac laptop i want |
| 15:57.35 | thebigdog | this will replace my work desktop here |
| 15:57.43 | thebigdog | so i can be mobile |
| 15:57.45 | timinator | ya know..... my vote goes to the 17" either way.... screen real estate is important to me |
| 15:57.50 | timinator | gotcha |
| 15:57.53 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 15:57.59 | thebigdog | i have 2 19" monitors here |
| 15:58.02 | thebigdog | and i love it |
| 15:58.07 | thebigdog | so hte laptop needs it too |
| 15:58.08 | timinator | you'll miss that |
| 15:58.17 | timinator | laptop handles 1 monitor only |
| 15:58.21 | timinator | :( |
| 15:58.32 | thebigdog | i will just use my 22" at home |
| 15:58.41 | timinator | cool |
| 15:58.43 | thebigdog | which will be 24" in the not to distant future |
| 15:58.55 | timinator | cool |
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| 16:00.04 | timinator | I'd go 17" then... max out the ram w/ Crucial or something |
| 16:00.08 | thebigdog | if they dont go for the 17" then i might do the 15" |
| 16:00.41 | timinator | ya... the 15 isn't bad man.... but the 17 is a noticeable upgrade |
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| 16:01.07 | thebigdog | well i can always request the 17" and see what they do |
| 16:01.22 | thebigdog | 3k is still alot for a laptop |
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| 16:03.25 | mgeary | wow, it's cold out there |
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| 16:05.42 | mindjuju | Holy Crap! |
| 16:05.57 | timinator | the 15 is a solid machine |
| 16:06.06 | mgeary | ?? |
| 16:06.10 | mindjuju | Sun just bought MySQL - http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/2008/01/16/sun-acquires-mysql/ |
| 16:06.18 | mgeary | well well |
| 16:06.39 | timinator | wow |
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| 16:10.51 | _psychic_ | I don't think things will change much, but it is a little unnerving to have a big key of the LAMP stack owned by Java people. :) |
| 16:12.37 | mindjuju | the blog entry really helps to explain things |
| 16:12.50 | SunSparc | WHAT? |
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| 16:13.18 | _psychic_ | well they are always really big on how things won't change... but things inevitably do when that happens |
| 16:14.45 | thebigdog | haha...sun is not all java |
| 16:15.19 | herlo | mindjuju: how much was the deal for ? |
| 16:15.24 | SunSparc | I got my nick from Sun. Surprise. |
| 16:15.26 | thebigdog | 1b |
| 16:15.43 | thebigdog | also oracle bought bea |
| 16:15.45 | thebigdog | for 7b |
| 16:15.48 | thebigdog | and some change |
| 16:15.51 | mindjuju | SANTA CLARA, CA January 16, 2008 Sun Microsystems, Inc. (NASDAQ: JAVA) today announced it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire MySQL AB, an open source icon and developer of one of the world's fastest growing open source databases for approximately $1 billion in total consideration. |
| 16:15.53 | herlo | thebigdog: yeah, knew that one was coming |
| 16:16.25 | thebigdog | my thoughts are what markets is sun trying to enter |
| 16:16.25 | fungus | Sun buying MySQL!? wow. |
| 16:16.39 | josephscott_lap | seems like desperate move for both companies |
| 16:16.48 | thebigdog | mysql is huge with some enterprises and with hosting companies |
| 16:17.00 | thebigdog | for oracle it is a great move |
| 16:17.11 | thebigdog | they get tons of enterprise customers |
| 16:17.23 | thebigdog | that positions them to offer tons of additional services |
| 16:17.33 | thebigdog | imho a great move by oracle |
| 16:17.46 | thebigdog | now sun's move that is a little weird |
| 16:18.00 | thebigdog | they have a great partnership with oracle |
| 16:18.15 | thebigdog | not sure why they are looking for a database solution |
| 16:18.35 | _psychic_ | trying to control more of the web development environment |
| 16:19.26 | josephscott_lap | trying to get someone to buy their hardware |
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| 16:48.09 | timinator | anyone have a recommendation on a SEO company? |
| 16:48.16 | _psychic_ | vizad? |
| 16:48.26 | _psychic_ | http://www.vizad.com/ |
| 16:49.58 | SunSparc | http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35291 |
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| 17:09.18 | timinator | thanks guys |
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| 17:35.29 | timinator | anyone want to be a "Website Expert"?? |
| 17:35.30 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:35.48 | timinator | I've got a client that's looking for an outsite, professional opinion |
| 17:35.58 | timinator | s/outsite/outside/ |
| 17:36.06 | thebigdog | im a guru |
| 17:36.09 | thebigdog | not an expert |
| 17:36.13 | timinator | dang |
| 17:36.18 | mgeary | on what? you looking for UI comments, architecture comments,...? |
| 17:36.22 | timinator | sorry, looking for experts |
| 17:36.29 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:36.40 | thebigdog | ~thebigdog |
| 17:36.40 | jbot | [thebigdog] the postgreSQL guru, a GWAR groupie, or secretly loves AOL, or a lover of cursors |
| 17:36.53 | mindjuju | ~dhit thebigdog |
| 17:36.54 | jbot | ACTION manages to land Gentoo Install Time on thebigdog, freezing him for days |
| 17:37.04 | timinator | not sure.... probably an overall opinion.... they probably want to know that they spent their money wisely, and that they're looking good on the net |
| 17:37.18 | mgeary | heh |
| 17:37.38 | timinator | that's true, mindjuju; but I'm looking for an expert on websites, not kicking thebigdog's butt |
| 17:37.40 | timinator | :) |
| 17:38.23 | timinator | UNEDITED VERSION: I'm looking for a website expert, not a kick ass expert |
| 17:38.33 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:39.30 | mgeary | timinator: how much of a time commitment are you/they looking for? |
| 17:40.26 | timinator | not sure man.... I meant the initial comment as a joke... but I can't think of a better set of experts |
| 17:41.04 | mindjuju | yar, i think piratically anybody here could do it |
| 17:42.18 | timinator | alright... I'll take a list of names... but no stealing my client :) |
| 17:46.40 | timinator | jk guys.... sheesh |
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| 17:47.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:50.30 | timinator | My client said, he "would like somebody professional (like a marketing or copy person) to check this out before it goes out to the public." |
| 17:50.46 | timinator | anyone w/ pro-level marketing/copy experience? |
| 17:51.07 | olds | my coworker is a marketing guy... used to work for Warner Bros online marketing |
| 17:51.43 | olds | that's all I've got |
| 17:52.43 | timinator | will he give me a favorable review while being subjective?? |
| 17:52.45 | timinator | :) |
| 17:53.53 | olds | yea, he's good at that marketing stuff |
| 17:54.44 | timinator | k, I'm asking him to be a bit more specific on what he's looking for first. |
| 17:58.43 | macnewbold | timinator: you could send them our way if you wanted... |
| 17:59.02 | olds | yea, mac's company would probably be the way to roll |
| 17:59.07 | macnewbold | my partner is a marketer, with a degree in it and everything |
| 18:00.00 | timinator | ya, that's true |
| 18:00.20 | wps | I can't stand it when people send emails and then send instant messages to tell you they sent an email |
| 18:00.32 | wps | (and I have usually already received the email before then even got the instant messages sent) |
| 18:00.35 | beandog | wps, or a phone call |
| 18:00.38 | wps | yeah |
| 18:01.47 | mindjuju | meh, i do it, but only to people i suspect get over 100 emails a day, and I want them to watch out for it, but never convey the message of the email in the IM |
| 18:02.38 | macnewbold | or people that email or IM you to warn you they're about to call - though sometiems that is useful I guess, depending who it is |
| 18:03.01 | timinator | ya, that depends |
| 18:03.15 | mindjuju | true too macnewbold, again only to people that are pretty high up and that maintain a REALLY busy schedule |
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| 18:03.40 | timinator | if they're the people that call you and everything else in your world stops, cause what they have to say is that important... I like a heads up in that case |
| 18:36.11 | beandog | worst case scenario is when they call you to make sure you got their voice mail |
| 18:40.11 | thebigdog | i like to im them and tell them to not answer their phone cause i want to leave a voice email |
| 18:40.29 | wps | :) |
| 18:40.47 | thebigdog | i hate talking to people at work |
| 18:41.02 | thebigdog | except for drip |
| 18:41.05 | thebigdog | cause he is my buddy |
| 18:41.06 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:41.25 | jsmith | thebigdog: Hence the reason I work from home ;-) |
| 18:41.31 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 18:41.37 | thebigdog | i want to start doing that |
| 18:41.50 | jsmith | I'd rather get stuff done than chat about the football game all day |
| 18:41.50 | drip | some days I work from home. |
| 18:42.12 | thebigdog | my problem with working at home is that i have a little buddy that thinks its play time all the time |
| 18:42.43 | jsmith | thebigdog: Yeah, it takes discipline (and a door with a lock) |
| 18:42.56 | thebigdog | door with a lock is what i need |
| 18:43.04 | thebigdog | wife thinks im a free baby sitter too |
| 18:44.08 | beandog | so we can drop off kids at your house? |
| 18:44.27 | thebigdog | sure |
| 18:45.02 | thebigdog | granted we will have tons of fun for a couple months until i lose my house |
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| 18:47.00 | thebigdog | wps you around? |
| 18:47.07 | wps | yes |
| 18:47.23 | thebigdog | can i send you a new image for manning publishing |
| 18:49.11 | thebigdog | if anyone is interested manning is doing a special on 2 books php related |
| 18:49.48 | thebigdog | http://www.manning.com/reiersol/ |
| 18:49.59 | wps | I'll get it up |
| 18:50.01 | thebigdog | on the php in action and zend framework |
| 18:50.04 | thebigdog | wps, ty |
| 18:50.29 | thebigdog | wps is also putting up the usergroup code for ordering from manning...not sure the total discount |
| 18:50.40 | thebigdog | but that is the discount code |
| 18:54.02 | thebigdog | anyone up north heading to the meeting this thursday? |
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| 19:01.39 | timinator | thebigdog: not I |
| 19:01.41 | timinator | :( |
| 19:02.00 | thebigdog | np |
| 19:02.05 | thebigdog | i might have to come down |
| 19:02.10 | thebigdog | and perhaps bring some goodies |
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| 19:23.56 | thebigdog | anyone using qemu for emulation? |
| 19:30.45 | thebigdog | ok i guess not :) |
| 19:31.54 | beandog | vmware |
| 19:33.52 | timinator | you know what I'm using for everything, thebigdog. |
| 19:33.54 | timinator | :) |
| 19:34.04 | thebigdog | yes i do |
| 19:34.26 | thebigdog | windows...windows...windows...***sigh*** |
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| 19:41.58 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:42.22 | timinator | hehe |
| 19:42.28 | timinator | hell no |
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| 21:02.48 | SunSparc | Good riddence. I could not stand that SunSparc_ guy anyway. |
| 21:20.08 | _psychic__ | he looks and acts just like you.... |
| 21:21.35 | SunSparc | Nay, he is a bit more of a brooder. Not very talkative. |
| 21:21.36 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:30.57 | wps | anyone headed to funky town? I'd like to carpool |
| 21:31.08 | mgeary | oh won't you take me? |
| 21:31.18 | wps | sorry… I'm looking for a ride |
| 21:31.38 | wps | :) |
| 21:32.19 | unum | in postgresql is there a way to the opposite of count(value) so basically I want to know how many nulls I have with out doing a 'where value is null' clause |
| 21:32.40 | wps | thebigdog would be your resource for that one |
| 21:34.15 | pelaofeliz | unum: yes |
| 21:34.51 | pelaofeliz | something like this: COUNT(CASE WHEN field IS NULL THEN 1 ELSE NULL END CASE) |
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| 21:44.36 | mindjuju | anybody have an argument against buying an SSL cert from godaddy or knowing a good place to buy just a plan jane SSL Cert? |
| 21:45.16 | mindjuju | not a bad price, |
| 21:45.20 | timinator | nope |
| 21:46.10 | timinator | and say what you will about their marketing strategy, ......which is to bring people in, and it's working...... |
| 21:46.16 | timinator | but their business plan is solid |
| 21:46.26 | timinator | customer service is a high priority |
| 21:46.39 | timinator | they don't outsource their tech staff |
| 21:46.46 | timinator | they answer their phones |
| 21:46.52 | timinator | and they keep their prices low |
| 21:47.41 | mindjuju | funny you say that, last time i called had a human on the phone in about 3 minutes |
| 21:47.44 | mindjuju | not too shabby |
| 21:48.06 | timinator | not too shabby at all.... no other large company is like that |
| 21:48.42 | timinator | anyone heard of the O'Reilly Web 2.0 Summit? |
| 21:48.52 | PoeticIntensity | It's official. |
| 21:49.01 | timinator | GoDaddy owner/CEO spoke about just that |
| 21:49.02 | PoeticIntensity | I'm coming to the meeting tomorrow night. :) |
| 21:49.09 | timinator | cool PI |
| 21:49.16 | PoeticIntensity | you gonna make it, timinator ? |
| 21:49.29 | timinator | naw.... I wish. |
| 21:49.35 | PoeticIntensity | why not? |
| 21:49.40 | PoeticIntensity | if I might be so bold to ask... :) |
| 21:49.50 | timinator | first, I live in Ogden |
| 21:49.56 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 21:50.08 | PoeticIntensity | that's a 40-50 minute drive... |
| 21:50.33 | timinator | second, I have a washer repairman and an electrician coming over that day to make repairs |
| 21:50.47 | timinator | third, I'm swamped with work..... |
| 21:50.54 | mindjuju | awesome PI! |
| 21:51.01 | timinator | worked till 1:30 last night, then at it again at 7 this morn |
| 21:51.07 | PoeticIntensity | ouch! |
| 21:51.14 | timinator | not complaining, just explaining |
| 21:51.18 | timinator | would love to attend |
| 21:51.45 | timinator | oh.... fourth, I have a sick 9mo old son |
| 21:51.48 | timinator | pukey still |
| 21:51.58 | timinator | but my wife's taking the brunt of that |
| 21:52.25 | PoeticIntensity | the forces seem against your attending... |
| 21:52.38 | timinator | yep |
| 21:52.47 | SunSparc | Unless we have it at his house... |
| 21:53.18 | timinator | makes me appreciative of mindjuju's implementation of audio recording and streaming |
| 21:53.28 | SunSparc | Amen to that |
| 21:53.33 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:53.42 | timinator | I do have 802.11n w/ a Comcast line |
| 21:53.52 | timinator | but I don't have much space |
| 21:53.53 | timinator | :) |
| 21:54.14 | timinator | I have a large yard though |
| 21:54.22 | timinator | and then we could BBQ |
| 21:54.24 | timinator | :) |
| 21:54.38 | mindjuju | bbq rox |
| 21:54.47 | mindjuju | one day we should do Q4U |
| 21:55.16 | timinator | that he will have 20+ geeks over for a BBQ in the back yard |
| 21:55.34 | timinator | Q4U? |
| 21:55.53 | mindjuju | do what I do -- last time i had a LAN party, stock the house with paper cups / plates , send your family to inlaws for a nice little weekend vacation |
| 21:55.55 | wps | what's the opposite of prefix? |
| 21:55.59 | mindjuju | oh, and buy a ton of garbage bags |
| 21:56.03 | mindjuju | suffix |
| 21:56.06 | wps | thank you |
| 21:56.27 | mindjuju | Q4U is a good bbq restaurant |
| 21:56.33 | timinator | ah |
| 21:56.35 | timinator | cool |
| 21:56.44 | timinator | that's a good idea mindjuju |
| 21:56.55 | mindjuju | doesn't beat Goodwood West Texas ribs, but, its good |
| 21:57.59 | orsonj | ok, their flash animation is really annoying |
| 21:58.39 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 21:58.57 | mindjuju | love how the pics don't have background color matching |
| 21:59.16 | timinator | what site are you guys on? |
| 21:59.21 | mindjuju | http://www.q4u.com/ |
| 21:59.34 | olds | q4u wasn't very good when I went there |
| 21:59.56 | mindjuju | how long ago did you go? |
| 22:00.03 | mindjuju | been about 4 years since i last went |
| 22:00.05 | olds | 2 weeks? |
| 22:00.10 | olds | maybe 3 weeks |
| 22:00.13 | mindjuju | oh |
| 22:00.16 | mindjuju | i see they moved |
| 22:00.22 | olds | yea out in kearns |
| 22:00.33 | timinator | eek |
| 22:00.36 | mindjuju | i wonder if under new owner? |
| 22:02.59 | olds | no clue |
| 22:03.49 | mindjuju | sad to hear when a good restaurant goes down |
| 22:28.33 | mgeary | ~ping PoeticIntensity |
| 22:28.33 | jbot | pong PoeticIntensity |
| 22:28.56 | PoeticIntensity | I deserve to be smacked... |
| 22:28.57 | mgeary | ~lart PoeticIntensity for not acknowledging my connectedness with all local gurus, including Jake Hilton |
| 22:28.57 | jbot | duct-tapes PoeticIntensity to the floor and drools on him for not acknowledging my connectedness with all local gurus, including Jake Hilton |
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| 22:29.01 | PoeticIntensity | but then again.... You know Jake... :) |
| 22:29.06 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:29.57 | PoeticIntensity | Jake is laughing now... |
| 22:30.09 | mgeary | i know everyone worth knowing....riiiight? |
| 22:30.26 | mgeary | or rather, everyone worth knowing knows ME |
| 22:31.44 | PoeticIntensity | when's the meeting tomorrow? |
| 22:31.50 | PoeticIntensity | usual? around 7? |
| 22:35.32 | PoeticIntensity | uhh yeah... just noticed the title. |
| 22:38.19 | PoeticIntensity | So, Mike.... I hear London loves you! |
| 22:38.26 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, ^^^ |
| 22:38.30 | mgeary | totally |
| 22:38.35 | mgeary | all great cities love me |
| 22:38.52 | mgeary | London, Paris, Berlin, Rome. they are all my brothers |
| 22:38.56 | mgeary | well, not Paris, she's my sister |
| 22:39.34 | mgeary | so, what, PoeticIntensity, you shoulder surfing on JH? |
| 22:39.56 | PoeticIntensity | as always! |
| 22:40.02 | PoeticIntensity | Jake and I are like... supah-tight. |
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| 22:56.42 | PoeticIntensity | man... |
| 22:56.52 | PoeticIntensity | despite all the cliches attached... |
| 22:56.59 | PoeticIntensity | chatting via webcam definitely has its benefits... |
| 22:57.10 | jsmith | Yup |
| 22:57.16 | mindjuju | i love web cam |
| 22:57.17 | SunSparc | I like it |
| 22:57.21 | PoeticIntensity | me too. |
| 22:57.35 | PoeticIntensity | I haven't done it much, but I just spent the last 30 minutes catching up with a good old friend... |
| 22:57.39 | mindjuju | i have one at work, at padawans office, at home and at inlaws |
| 22:57.46 | PoeticIntensity | nice! |
| 22:57.58 | PoeticIntensity | which protocol do ya'll like the best? |
| 22:57.59 | SunSparc | It is great when my 2 year old asks his mommy if he can talk to me. She put him on her lap and calls me on the computer. |
| 22:58.13 | mindjuju | skype works best for me |
| 22:58.49 | SunSparc | iChat video works with Gtalk and AIM. |
| 22:59.42 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: looks like I only have you on MSN though. |
| 23:00.02 | PoeticIntensity | Well.. video chat only works (AFAIK) through Skype on Linux. |
| 23:00.08 | SunSparc | I would have to open up Windows to chat on that. |
| 23:00.10 | PoeticIntensity | MSN, AIM, Yahoo, etc... |
| 23:00.16 | PoeticIntensity | their clients don't do video on Linux. |
| 23:00.26 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 23:00.27 | PoeticIntensity | Skype works beautifully. |
| 23:00.33 | SunSparc | Sweet |
| 23:00.54 | SunSparc | Apple needs to add Skype to iChat |
| 23:01.47 | jsmith | Skype is evil ;-) |
| 23:01.59 | jsmith | But I'm biased |
| 23:03.06 | SunSparc | Biased is evil. But I am not Skype. |
| 23:03.16 | mindjuju | and if that was before or after eBay? |
| 23:04.28 | SunSparc | ~karma |
| 23:04.29 | jbot | sunsparc has karma of 3 |
| 23:04.35 | SunSparc | Sweet |
| 23:04.51 | timinator | jsmith has a biased against non open source software |
| 23:05.32 | timinator | lame software -- |
| 23:05.39 | SunSparc | ^5 timinator |
| 23:05.47 | timinator | ^5 SunSparc |
| 23:05.50 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:06.24 | timinator | mindjuju: that reminds me of an internet video I've seen recently |
| 23:06.30 | timinator | lots of cursing though |
| 23:06.34 | mindjuju | about the whopper king? |
| 23:06.39 | timinator | yep |
| 23:06.41 | mindjuju | the one where they take whopper away for a day? |
| 23:06.50 | timinator | yes!!!! |
| 23:06.55 | mindjuju | yup, that's awesome |
| 23:07.02 | mindjuju | you don't see people going nuts about Wendy's |
| 23:07.15 | mindjuju | and McDonalds... yuck! |
| 23:07.21 | mindjuju | except for breakfast menu |
| 23:09.05 | SunSparc | I personally like the Whopper. Especially when they do the $1 thing. But give a choice at fast food, I would probably take a Carls' Jr. Super Star over the Whopper. |
| 23:09.27 | timinator | taking the wopper away from the hood is like makin' me get a job, man! You're gonna bring a lot of people down, man. This is bad for the community, man. The world is comin' to an end, comin' to an end! |
| 23:09.33 | mindjuju | never had the super star, so can't argue, but it must be a mighty fine hamburger |
| 23:09.35 | SunSparc | If the option was broader than fast food, I would go for a burger at Chili's. |
| 23:10.16 | timinator | I hear you put worms in the wopper. Man I don't care, that sh** is good, man! |
| 23:10.19 | SunSparc | CJ's has some good burgers. Like the $6 jalapeno burger. Mmmmm... |
| 23:10.30 | SunSparc | timinator: lol |
| 23:10.35 | mindjuju | timinator - that's too funny |
| 23:11.05 | timinator | ya, we shut down the office for 4.8 minutes just to watch that thing |
| 23:11.11 | timinator | but this office is very NSFW |
| 23:11.12 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:13.30 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 23:13.31 | mindjuju | ~NSFW |
| 23:13.31 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, nsfw is Not Safe For Work |
| 23:13.36 | influx^^ | i always thought nws stood for nsfw |
| 23:13.45 | mindjuju | yeah, not work safe |
| 23:13.47 | mindjuju | prolly |
| 23:14.01 | timinator | *shrug |
| 23:14.22 | SunSparc | You guys seen this one: http://nacnud.com/area7/pics/reservedfordrunkdrivers.jpg |
| 23:14.30 | mindjuju | i know FARK filed a copyright request for NSFW, the abbrv |
| 23:14.45 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 23:14.45 | timinator | SunSparc: LOL |
| 23:14.51 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:15.09 | mindjuju | k, it's party time! |
| 23:15.53 | timinator | pshu tschi pshu tschi pshu tschi pshu tschi pshu tschi |
| 23:16.48 | SunSparc | Are we doing dinner at the meeting tomorrow? |
| 23:16.57 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 23:17.15 | mindjuju | uphpu afterhours - Applebees 9p - 12+ |
| 23:17.29 | mindjuju | but tell ya what now, i ain't feezin' outside int the cold til 2a like usual |
| 23:17.30 | SunSparc | Wow, that is a late dinner |
| 23:17.42 | mindjuju | once we get kicked out, that's it, i'm going home |
| 23:18.16 | mindjuju | course one time, there was an afterhours - afterhours party once that went to Denny's |
| 23:18.17 | SunSparc | No joke, this is the coldest I have seen it for this long in Utah since I moved here. |
| 23:18.18 | mindjuju | but i didn't go |
| 23:18.31 | mindjuju | but that was 1a - 3a from what i hear |
| 23:18.39 | SunSparc | Restaurant hopping. Sweet |
| 23:18.55 | SunSparc | I am sure my SO would not approve. :) |
| 23:19.06 | mindjuju | SO? |
| 23:19.10 | mindjuju | superior officer? |
| 23:19.16 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 23:19.31 | SunSparc | ~so |
| 23:19.31 | jbot | so what? |
| 23:19.36 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 23:19.42 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:19.51 | SunSparc | jbot SO is Significant Other |
| 23:19.52 | jbot | ...but so is already something else... |
| 23:20.04 | SunSparc | jbot SO is also Significant Other |
| 23:20.05 | jbot | okay, SunSparc |
| 23:20.13 | SunSparc | ~so |
| 23:20.14 | jbot | so what?. Significant Other |
| 23:20.23 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 23:20.23 | jbot | somebody said mindjuju was sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness |
| 23:20.41 | SunSparc | Scary |
| 23:20.42 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:20.50 | mindjuju | don't knwo about the sweat, but the rest is all true |
| 23:21.14 | SunSparc | I'll take your word for it |
| 23:30.36 | beandog | hawt |
| 23:38.02 | thebigdog | im hawt |
| 23:40.03 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:40.03 | thebigdog | i'm too hawt for that |
| 23:40.10 | mindjuju | oh, that's prolly what it was, i didn't check too hawt |
| 23:40.24 | mindjuju | which reminds me, what did your current employer say about greener pastures? |
| 23:40.42 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:40.55 | thebigdog | he is trying to get me to stay full time |
| 23:40.59 | thebigdog | i told him i would do part time |
| 23:41.13 | thebigdog | so he is trying to get me to stay |
| 23:41.52 | mindjuju | any increase in pay, benefits, perks? |
| 23:42.22 | thebigdog | kinda |
| 23:42.31 | thebigdog | i guess perks |
| 23:48.28 | SunSparc | Did you know that perks is actually perqs and is short for perquisite? |
| 23:48.47 | SunSparc | Did you further know that perquisite in Japanese is 特典. |
| 23:50.40 | SunSparc | I guess you can go home happy then. You have learned two things today. |
| 23:51.53 | thebigdog | great |
| 23:52.02 | thebigdog | about another 30-40 minutes for me |
| 23:52.52 | SunSparc | 30-40 minutes until you can start testing your network latency? |
| 23:53.50 | thebigdog | until thebigdog goes home |
| 23:54.49 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:55.53 | SunSparc | My paladin is up to 46 |
| 23:56.36 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:56.46 | thebigdog | my paladin is 52 now |
| 23:56.53 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 23:57.05 | thebigdog | i should be 70 in about 2-3 weeks |
| 23:57.27 | SunSparc | Probably take me a bit longer than that. |
| 23:57.34 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:57.44 | SunSparc | Only get about 4 hours per week. |
| 23:57.50 | thebigdog | http://bloodscalp-us.warcrafter.net/Bubblebumm |
| 23:58.26 | thebigdog | im going ret now...but will be holy when i hit 70 |
| 23:58.36 | thebigdog | doing healing arena style |
| 23:59.12 | SunSparc | I am doing ret also. Thought about holy. |
| 23:59.22 | thebigdog | ret for leveling |
| 23:59.32 | thebigdog | then after decide what you want to do |
| 23:59.36 | thebigdog | prot = tanking |
| 23:59.40 | mindjuju | what's ret? |
| 23:59.44 | thebigdog | retribution |
| 23:59.47 | thebigdog | full out dps |
| 23:59.57 | SunSparc | melee baby! |
