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| 00:16.52 | mgeary | hey |
| 00:16.57 | mgeary | you screen fanboys |
| 00:17.19 | mgeary | when i do: screen -R |
| 00:17.35 | mgeary | i'm getting: |
| 00:17.37 | mgeary | There is a screen on: |
| 00:17.37 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.43 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.54 | mgeary | anyone know why it's not attaching to that screen? |
| 00:19.35 | mgeary | nevermind. looks like i'm calling screen -R in the wrong place. might be being called recursively |
| 00:19.46 | beandog | do screen -x |
| 00:20.05 | fungus | -R attempts to resume the first detached screen session it finds. |
| 00:20.11 | fungus | -x Attach to a not detached screen session. |
| 00:20.31 | fungus | woot |
| 00:21.39 | timinator | gotta run guys.... later |
| 00:21.53 | thebigdog | or screen -r |
| 00:36.29 | mgeary | you know, for a development machine, what do you think would give a bigger boost: more RAM, or a faster video card? I mean, my CPU is almost never pegged as it is... |
| 00:36.45 | beandog | ram. |
| 00:36.50 | mgeary | let's say assuming you were already at ~3 gigs of ram |
| 00:36.54 | beandog | ram is always the answer. |
| 00:37.07 | beandog | ram ram ram. |
| 00:37.11 | mgeary | heh |
| 00:37.16 | beandog | but you do neeed a good video card to play games. |
| 00:37.16 | beandog | so |
| 00:37.19 | beandog | thats a tough choice. |
| 00:38.22 | mgeary | nah. these are Macs, remember? games don't really apply ;) |
| 00:41.03 | mgeary | but man, i'm looking at my ram usage via top |
| 00:41.05 | tierra | if this is for development, definitely video card, gaming is priority! |
| 00:41.09 | tierra | hehe |
| 00:41.30 | mgeary | Vsize of "Address Book.app" == 115 megs |
| 00:41.38 | tierra | is it PHP development? |
| 00:41.39 | mgeary | that's just crazy |
| 00:41.46 | mgeary | yeah, mostly |
| 00:42.54 | tierra | scripted languages aren't that much of a push for CPU, moreso the RAM... my field, with C++, needs both, bad... |
| 00:43.10 | tierra | well, RAM not as much, more CPU |
| 00:43.21 | tierra | but still, both are factors |
| 00:44.13 | olds | tierra: I thought your employer scrapped that project? |
| 00:44.31 | tierra | it's been 'on the cusp' consistently |
| 00:44.39 | olds | ahh |
| 00:45.48 | tierra | like now... as we all consider how much more money we could all be making |
| 00:45.56 | olds | srsly |
| 00:46.08 | olds | I hear the thing with SoC fell through |
| 00:46.22 | tierra | which 'thing'? them hiring us? |
| 00:46.27 | olds | yea |
| 00:46.48 | tierra | xilch|w is still trying really hard to bring us on |
| 00:46.55 | olds | ahh |
| 00:47.13 | tierra | I feel bad, cuz I know he's hurting without us, but he won't go find anyone else |
| 00:47.56 | tierra | he's still hanging on the chance that we kick this project, and just move over |
| 00:48.53 | tierra | and now I've heard recently that com4 is looking at the possibility of working with Redhat, so he's really going to be hurting if that happens |
| 00:49.27 | olds | I can neither confirm or deny that report |
| 00:49.52 | olds | but yes, he did get a job offer from Redhat |
| 00:52.07 | olds | he's not sure if he'll take it or not |
| 00:52.37 | tierra | maybe he's torn on leaving xilch|w in that situation... |
| 00:53.09 | tierra | just like we're torn on leaving Phoenix in that situation |
| 00:53.21 | tierra | heh |
| 00:53.39 | olds | I think it has to do more with moving to NC and leaving behind friends |
| 00:54.16 | tierra | ouch, yeah, I hadn't thought about relocation |
| 00:54.39 | macnewbold | wow, relocation is a big deal IMHO |
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| 00:55.51 | olds | yea |
| 00:56.27 | xilch|w | tierra: you are a situation |
| 00:56.35 | tierra | no joke |
| 00:57.31 | tierra | heh |
| 00:57.53 | xilch|w | you still at work? |
| 00:58.16 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 00:58.51 | tierra | we just had a nice long overview meeting today of where we stand for Phoenix 2.0 ... doesn't sound like they want to cool down on development |
| 00:58.57 | tierra | yeah, still at work |
| 00:59.03 | xilch|w | right on - me too |
| 01:00.51 | olds | I'm in the CS Lab :( |
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| 02:20.05 | mindjuju | ~yow |
| 02:32.16 | beandog | man it feels like a friday. |
| 02:33.26 | mindjuju | what you up to beandog? |
| 02:33.34 | beandog | I think Im gonna try playing with x264 |
| 02:33.54 | mindjuju | oh cool, what video format? .mov or .flv? |
| 02:34.04 | mindjuju | do any other players support 264? |
| 02:34.14 | beandog | I dunno, I hadnt thought about it |
| 02:34.16 | beandog | I was gonna do avi |
| 02:34.31 | beandog | do I have to use one of those two? |
| 02:34.49 | mindjuju | well, you don't, but here is the catch, as far as i know |
| 02:35.01 | mindjuju | the client player has to have the codec to play it |
| 02:35.06 | beandog | oh, thats okay |
| 02:35.09 | beandog | its for my mythbox, not any devices |
| 02:35.12 | mindjuju | quicktime has it built in as long as you update fairly recently |
| 02:35.15 | mindjuju | ah |
| 02:35.25 | mindjuju | the other is Flash 9 as of like 4 months ago |
| 02:35.49 | mindjuju | i just upped our base requirements to 9 so that i can use 264, i'm excited |
| 02:35.57 | beandog | base requirements? |
| 02:36.23 | mindjuju | yeah, i get to establish minimum requirements to view our videos |
| 02:36.42 | mindjuju | flash 9, IE 6+, FF 1+ |
| 02:36.58 | mindjuju | if you have at least that, you can watch the vids |
| 02:37.27 | mindjuju | shoot |
| 02:37.46 | olds | I hear the playback for x264 in linux (mythtv) takes some serious cpu because the linux codec can't utilize multiple cores |
| 02:37.49 | mindjuju | though, pgsql maybe a little bit hard unless PoeticIntensity is intently and poetically sitting around |
| 02:38.02 | beandog | oh gotcha. |
| 02:38.15 | beandog | pfft |
| 02:38.19 | beandog | I taught PoeticIntensity his psql |
| 02:38.19 | burnin | In a class destructor I'm trying to do the right thing and close what should be an open pg_connection, but it seems like I always get an error reported in the apache error log saying its not a valid postgresql resource. |
| 02:38.31 | burnin | the line in my destructor looks like this... |
| 02:38.34 | mindjuju | beandog, didn't know you wrote pgsql |
| 02:38.41 | beandog | Ive been using it for ... lets see. |
| 02:38.41 | burnin | if (pg_connection_status($this->dbconn)===PGSQL_CONNECTION_OK) pg_close($this->dbconn); |
| 02:38.48 | beandog | 6 years now? |
| 02:38.48 | PoeticIntensity | *blink* |
| 02:38.52 | beandog | :) |
| 02:39.22 | beandog | mindjuju: my first programming job was with pg, actually |
| 02:39.26 | beandog | I learned that before mysql. |
| 02:39.31 | olds | you could always through in a check to make sure it's a valid resource |
| 02:39.49 | beandog | so PoeticIntensity, answer him. ;) |
| 02:40.12 | burnin | olds, ah, duh. :) just looked at the error log again and it says "pg_connection_status(): 22 is not a valid PostgreSQL link resource" |
| 02:40.13 | olds | yea, is_resource |
| 02:40.21 | burnin | I was thinking it was the pg_close() that was erroring. |
| 02:40.26 | olds | :) |
| 02:40.26 | beandog | it could be closed already |
| 02:40.30 | olds | yup |
| 02:40.54 | burnin | so would the resource already be closed by the time the PHP class __destruct() method is called? |
| 02:41.00 | burnin | PHP5 btw |
| 02:41.41 | PoeticIntensity | burnin, I've never closed my connections... |
| 02:41.43 | olds | hmmm, iirc it depends |
| 02:41.47 | beandog | me neither. |
| 02:41.54 | PoeticIntensity | unless they're persistent, they're automatically closed upon completion of the script. |
| 02:42.10 | olds | yea, I wouldn't stress it |
| 02:42.19 | PoeticIntensity | I've never had any problems / resources / what-not problems due to not closing connections. |
| 02:42.25 | PoeticIntensity | in either MySQL, or PGSQL. |
| 02:42.35 | burnin | I was thinking that closing the resource was the right thing to do, cleaning up before the class instance goes in the garbage. |
| 02:42.36 | influx^^ | ha |
| 02:42.39 | beandog | :) |
| 02:42.41 | burnin | maybe I'm going to far with my clean up |
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| 02:42.53 | mindjuju | hmm... PI connection was closed |
| 02:42.54 | olds | burnin: I don't think it makes any difference |
| 02:43.00 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 02:43.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 02:43.14 | beandog | lol |
| 02:43.18 | burnin | olds, perhaps, but I'd prefer to not have all those error messages in my log files. |
| 02:43.27 | olds | throw in the is_resource |
| 02:43.31 | olds | and call it good |
| 02:43.49 | burnin | olds, will do, thanks. |
| 02:43.56 | olds | np |
| 02:44.05 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... fates? beandog? |
| 02:44.11 | PoeticIntensity | man.... |
| 02:44.21 | beandog | battle of the fates is the title track to the fight in episode 1 |
| 02:44.27 | beandog | I think. |
| 02:44.28 | PoeticIntensity | Today, as you know, I received the database crud from the company I'm replacing.... |
| 02:44.37 | beandog | Oh yah, did you get that backup restored?? |
| 02:44.42 | beandog | mindjuju: is that right? |
| 02:44.50 | beandog | *star wars nerdia* |
| 02:44.55 | PoeticIntensity | I finally got it restored and am looking at the db schema in MSSQL 2000 (on my laptop's windows partition) |
| 02:45.07 | beandog | \o/ |
| 02:45.10 | mindjuju | k, i'm back |
| 02:45.15 | beandog | in black |
| 02:45.17 | mindjuju | yeah from episode one |
| 02:45.21 | PoeticIntensity | is it normal for a company to create like 200 tables when only 15 are necessary? |
| 02:45.21 | mindjuju | playing on winamp |
| 02:45.34 | PoeticIntensity | insane... |
| 02:45.37 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: at our last job, they created 13 databases when one would have worked. |
| 02:45.43 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 02:45.43 | mindjuju | PI, i can top that, are you ready |
| 02:45.48 | PoeticIntensity | oh man... |
| 02:45.50 | PoeticIntensity | my brain is fried. |
| 02:46.05 | mindjuju | 61, count them 61 access databases running on the production server |
| 02:46.06 | PoeticIntensity | mmmmkay.... ready! |
| 02:46.18 | beandog | mmmm, access. |
| 02:46.19 | PoeticIntensity | ACCESS? |
| 02:46.23 | mindjuju | and the goofus was wondering why the server was crashing 3x a day |
| 02:46.25 | mindjuju | access |
| 02:46.27 | beandog | it's like trying to cook your dinner in a toaster. |
| 02:46.30 | mindjuju | as in MS access |
| 02:46.40 | PoeticIntensity | access.....!? |
| 02:46.41 | olds | what's the topic for this month's talk? |
| 02:46.41 | mindjuju | i crap you not |
| 02:46.45 | PoeticIntensity | I can't believe it. |
| 02:46.50 | PoeticIntensity | and...... wow. |
| 02:47.06 | mindjuju | olds, that's still in the works, was going to be dataw0lf, but i think there may be a change in plan |
| 02:47.10 | PoeticIntensity | beandog told me at lunch today that he programmed an app in both PHP and ASP running on an IIS server... |
| 02:47.15 | mindjuju | was to be PHP and Security |
| 02:47.26 | PoeticIntensity | I thought that was freakin' cool (along with complete insanity) |
| 02:47.35 | beandog | yah |
| 02:47.38 | beandog | theyd log in in asp |
| 02:47.42 | beandog | and part of the site was in php5 |
| 02:47.48 | beandog | and I had to transfer sessions back and forth between the two. |
| 02:48.00 | mindjuju | Now, i think it'll be ecomm thorugh Authorize.net -- have Authorize.net come out and talk about their APIs and gateways and how to code to them |
| 02:48.00 | PoeticIntensity | craziness. |
| 02:48.05 | mindjuju | thought it'd be a cool topic |
| 02:48.05 | olds | I'd be willing to give a talk on memcache if anyone has any interest in that |
| 02:48.19 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju - yeah... that's cool! |
| 02:48.27 | PoeticIntensity | what's memcache, olds ? |
| 02:48.50 | PoeticIntensity | I'm still kinda sad though... |
| 02:49.02 | olds | oh, it's used in high-availability sites to cache stuff to memory |
| 02:49.02 | PoeticIntensity | I was *so* looking forward to the security topic by dataw0lf. |
| 02:49.12 | PoeticIntensity | olds, I'm totally game for that. |
| 02:49.17 | olds | but the daemon and memory can be spread around multiple machines |
| 02:49.20 | olds | but accessed as 1 |
| 02:49.30 | olds | and they're bindings for multiple languages |
| 02:49.33 | PoeticIntensity | I really need to learn proper caching techniques. |
| 02:49.35 | olds | and you can throw anything into it |
| 02:49.49 | olds | well, anything serializable |
| 02:49.51 | beandog | caching is fun to do. |
| 02:49.52 | mindjuju | that does sound pretty cool |
| 02:49.54 | beandog | I do it on my webserver. |
| 02:49.55 | beandog | helps quite a lot. |
| 02:50.04 | PoeticIntensity | so I've heard... |
| 02:50.08 | beandog | pages only get created once every 24h |
| 02:50.14 | olds | it has the advantage of being accessible by multiple languages |
| 02:50.20 | PoeticIntensity | I've never had a site with so much traffic, that it'd warrant caching. |
| 02:50.31 | olds | so you could cache complex queries and access them from perl, python, and php |
| 02:50.33 | mindjuju | i'm going to find out for sure if Authorize can do it tomorrow, so i've already got them online, but if they can't can you present on Thursday olds? |
| 02:50.38 | PoeticIntensity | oh... beandog, yeah... I'm playing around with doing that on the new naturesway site. |
| 02:50.44 | PoeticIntensity | just create the whole site with a cron job.. |
| 02:50.45 | beandog | :) |
| 02:50.47 | burnin | so is the caching performed at the PHP application level or is it a server setting, i.e. an apache module or something? |
| 02:50.50 | PoeticIntensity | it's only updated once per day, anyway. |
| 02:50.51 | beandog | pear.net/Cache_Lite |
| 02:50.53 | beandog | pear ftw. |
| 02:51.05 | mindjuju | ~wtf ftw |
| 02:51.06 | beandog | burnin: you can do both |
| 02:51.10 | beandog | for the win |
| 02:51.16 | mindjuju | ah |
| 02:51.27 | olds | memcache is used by digg, facebook, etc |
| 02:51.35 | olds | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.memcache.php |
| 02:51.52 | beandog | its almost disgusting how fast myth compiles on a dualcore amd64 |
| 02:52.04 | mindjuju | or olds, if they do accept for next thursday, can i put you done for April, our next open slot? |
| 02:52.15 | PoeticIntensity | ahem, beandog, the proper vernacular is amd64 X2. |
| 02:52.17 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 02:52.23 | olds | when in April? |
| 02:52.25 | beandog | poor vern. |
| 02:52.41 | PoeticIntensity | alright.... I better be gettin' home. |
| 02:52.42 | mindjuju | April 17th |
| 02:52.43 | beandog | misses fern. |
| 02:52.47 | beandog | g'nite PoeticIntensity |
| 02:52.49 | PoeticIntensity | this MSSQL crap is frying my brain. |
| 02:52.53 | mindjuju | good night PI |
| 02:52.53 | beandog | enjoy your movies |
| 02:52.53 | olds | that should be fine |
| 02:52.57 | PoeticIntensity | night..... |
| 02:53.00 | mindjuju | awesome, i'm writting it down |
| 02:53.04 | PoeticIntensity | and, thankee muchly, beandog . |
| 02:53.06 | beandog | so mindjuju check this out |
| 02:53.13 | beandog | I figured out how record my VHS tapes |
| 02:53.15 | beandog | with myth :D |
| 02:53.31 | PoeticIntensity | myth ftw. |
| 02:53.33 | beandog | and they actually look really good, quality wise. |
| 02:53.55 | olds | how long should I make the presentation |
| 02:53.55 | beandog | chau |
| 02:55.00 | mindjuju | beandog, that's cool, i've got tons of vhs i still have to convert |
| 02:55.08 | beandog | really? |
| 02:55.13 | beandog | Im doing all my church videos |
| 02:55.14 | beandog | is fun. |
| 02:56.04 | mindjuju | yeah, stuff like Final Countdown and Sea Prince and the Fire Child |
| 02:56.08 | mindjuju | old stuff, hard to find |
| 02:56.14 | beandog | hmm |
| 02:56.19 | beandog | yah |
| 02:56.24 | beandog | it's nice to have a digital copy |
| 02:56.26 | beandog | makes life easier. |
| 02:56.48 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 02:56.59 | beandog | so much easier to pirate. |
| 02:57.19 | mindjuju | yeah, but some of that stuff you're not going to find |
| 02:57.36 | mindjuju | sure sure the new stuff, but the older... |
| 02:57.44 | mindjuju | especially late 70s early 80s |
| 02:58.21 | beandog | yah |
| 02:58.25 | beandog | no digital transfers around |
| 02:58.25 | beandog | yet |
| 02:58.31 | beandog | maybe never will be. |
| 02:58.34 | beandog | theres gonna be a lot of lost media. |
| 03:04.17 | mindjuju | well, in that case what you ahve to do is fix up a system like you have -- convert vhs to avi |
| 03:04.33 | beandog | well |
| 03:04.40 | beandog | my way of doig things is incredibly tedious. |
| 03:04.42 | mindjuju | right now, i'm too busy converting my dvd to avi , but when i finish that, then vhs |
| 03:04.51 | beandog | I *think* that those combo dvd / vcr things can burn a vhs straight to dvd. |
| 03:04.56 | beandog | although |
| 03:04.58 | beandog | that doesnt make sense. |
| 03:05.04 | beandog | i wanna get one though just to have hdmi on an vhs player. |
| 03:05.42 | mindjuju | hdmi - i'm not to worried about seeing the sweat glisten from Gandolf's beard as I am in having all my DVDs on my file server |
| 03:05.51 | beandog | mm |
| 03:05.56 | beandog | movies? |
| 03:06.14 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm terrible with putting DVDs back in their case |
| 03:06.21 | mindjuju | so i rip to server and store the DVDs in basement |
| 03:06.26 | mindjuju | that way they last |
| 03:09.26 | beandog | lates |
| 03:09.30 | beandog | I think Im gonna make some cookies! |
| 03:20.43 | herlo | mmm, cookies |
| 03:20.48 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: ping |
| 03:21.02 | beandog | herlo: he went home |
| 03:21.42 | herlo | beandog: oh |
| 03:21.43 | herlo | thansk |
| 03:21.52 | beandog | wanta cookie? |
| 03:22.06 | herlo | beandog: I do, but I'm in Raleigh |
| 03:22.14 | beandog | ah |
| 03:22.16 | beandog | home of red hat. |
| 03:22.20 | beandog | I think. |
| 03:22.35 | herlo | thats where I am |
| 03:22.40 | herlo | on their campus |
| 03:22.45 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 03:22.46 | beandog | rawk |
| 03:22.51 | beandog | herlo == t3h cool |
| 03:23.05 | herlo | beandog: I'm going to fudcon tomorrow-sunday with my eeep c |
| 03:23.14 | beandog | fudcon. |
| 03:23.18 | beandog | who came up with that dumb name |
| 03:23.26 | beandog | with your what? |
| 03:23.28 | beandog | that teeny asus? |
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| 03:24.07 | herlo | beandog: it stands for fedora users and developers conference |
| 03:24.14 | beandog | I know. |
| 03:24.17 | herlo | and its a play on words :) |
| 03:24.17 | beandog | its still dumb. |
| 03:24.21 | beandog | ah well. |
| 03:24.23 | beandog | :) |
| 03:24.25 | herlo | nah, its to get rid of the fud |
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| 03:35.00 | mindjuju | fudcon sounds fun, but its shmoocon for me |
| 03:37.02 | beandog | wb juju |
| 03:37.08 | beandog | what are you using to encode your dvds? |
| 03:37.11 | mindjuju | thx beandog |
| 03:37.30 | mindjuju | i was going to try the new KFC boneless spicy buffalo wings, but they were all out |
| 03:38.02 | beandog | did you beat the cashier with a golf club? |
| 03:38.08 | mindjuju | how did the cookies come out |
| 03:38.24 | beandog | I just put them in the oven |
| 03:38.24 | mindjuju | nah, it's almost closing time so i just got some plain old chicken and came back |
| 03:38.39 | beandog | I dont trust chicken from fast food places |
| 03:38.51 | beandog | the last one I had put me in the hospital. |
| 03:38.58 | mindjuju | yipes! what happened? |
| 03:39.07 | beandog | threw up fora bout 12 hours straight |
| 03:39.14 | mindjuju | yuck |
| 03:39.18 | beandog | yah, twas unfun. |
| 03:39.32 | beandog | Im a lot more careful now. |
| 03:41.23 | influx^^ | After arriving to my destination with a meal from KFC, about a bite into the drumstick I realized the chicken was rancid. |
| 03:41.31 | mindjuju | oh no! |
| 03:41.43 | influx^^ | Yeah. Good times. |
| 03:42.38 | mindjuju | i haven't had that kind of food problem but i did get charged $170 for a freakin' gyro at Mad Greek |
| 03:42.50 | mindjuju | it was good, but not THAT good |
| 03:42.50 | beandog | are you serious? |
| 03:42.52 | beandog | that is gross. |
| 03:43.24 | mindjuju | yeah, called up the store manager and told him i was coming in, in about 30 minutes and to have $160 cash |
| 03:43.30 | mindjuju | and he did, |
| 03:43.43 | influx^^ | :O |
| 03:43.52 | influx^^ | I'm guessing it was an honest mistake. |
| 03:44.13 | influx^^ | Either way... |
| 03:44.17 | mindjuju | yeah, i came on a bit strong, but as soon as I saw they were going to give me my cash, i backed off and assumed as much |
| 03:44.40 | mindjuju | not a bad gyro, but... |
| 03:46.13 | influx^^ | Heh. Yeah. |
| 03:49.23 | beandog | :) |
| 03:55.12 | mindjuju | beandog, what doctype do you use? |
| 03:55.23 | mindjuju | xhtml traditional? |
| 03:55.32 | beandog | on my stuff, yah |
| 03:55.35 | mindjuju | sorry, had KFC on the brain, how embarassing |
| 03:55.38 | mindjuju | I mean Transitional |
| 03:55.43 | beandog | for anything work related, 4.1 transitional |
| 03:55.59 | beandog | I enjoy the pain of writing XHTML |
| 03:56.48 | beandog | ooh, Krull just started playing. |
| 03:56.49 | beandog | great score. |
| 03:56.57 | mindjuju | krull the movie? |
| 03:57.05 | mindjuju | haven't seen it, but wanted to |
| 03:57.11 | beandog | buh! |
| 03:57.13 | beandog | you are missing out my man |
| 03:57.18 | beandog | in fact, I dont have that on DVd. |
| 03:57.20 | mindjuju | did you see that email on the mailing list |
| 03:57.23 | beandog | no |
| 03:57.26 | beandog | I hardly read it lately. |
| 03:57.28 | mindjuju | about looping image in td |
| 03:57.36 | mindjuju | oh man, it's a guy just starting out in HTML |
| 03:57.41 | beandog | yah? |
| 03:58.14 | mindjuju | well, he's asking a question about a looping image in the table, doesn't have the starting html tag, |
| 03:58.28 | mindjuju | his code is flooded with Script comments saying insert this here, insert that there |
| 03:58.33 | beandog | oy |
| 03:58.34 | beandog | sad. |
| 03:58.43 | mindjuju | yeah, long way to go |
| 03:59.02 | beandog | it's all good |
| 03:59.05 | beandog | we were all there once. |
| 03:59.12 | mindjuju | true that |
| 04:06.56 | mindjuju | so wps, if you were putting style on a single HTML page like this one in the mailing list, you'd put the CSS on the tag and not in between style tags? |
| 04:07.37 | wps | depends |
| 04:08.02 | wps | there are times to put it inline, times to put it in the header and times to put it in an external document |
| 04:08.34 | mindjuju | hmm, maybe i should start rereading my css books to know when to do which |
| 04:08.48 | mindjuju | i've always put them in external files now, thought that was the best way |
| 04:09.03 | influx^^ | I'd say so. |
| 04:09.14 | influx^^ | Usually is, in my opinion. |
| 04:11.27 | mindjuju | yeah, except that wps is CSS guru so if he's doing something in a particular way, I try to see why |
| 04:11.50 | wps | it is the preferred place, mindjuju |
| 04:16.49 | mindjuju | with? |
| 04:16.57 | jsmith | If it's small and you care about disk i/o on your web server |
| 04:18.09 | wps | yeah |
| 04:18.15 | wps | that's what I was saying… each has it's place |
| 04:18.21 | wps | entirely depends on the situation |
| 04:18.50 | wps | if you are positive that you won't use the style declaration on other pages, then there is nothing wrong with putting it in the header |
| 04:19.47 | wps | you want to avoid inline if you can though… the more you hardcode things the less dynamic it can be |
| 04:20.35 | mindjuju | valid arguments, looks like time to pull out the books for sure and reread |
| 04:21.29 | beandog | man |
| 04:21.33 | beandog | it really feels like a friday. |
| 04:21.42 | wps | .me agrees |
| 04:22.06 | Black_Chaos | +1 friday |
| 04:22.33 | mindjuju | sup Black_Chaos |
| 04:22.44 | Black_Chaos | not much. u? |
| 04:23.10 | mindjuju | just tidying up and doing some small sysadmin stuff |
| 04:23.19 | Black_Chaos | you guys missed a good udbug meeting |
| 04:23.39 | mindjuju | how did it go? it was on normalization, wasn't it? |
| 04:24.01 | Black_Chaos | it was good |
| 04:24.35 | Black_Chaos | kinda slow for me since I knew it already. but good for a first meeting |
| 04:24.44 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 04:24.50 | mindjuju | was it recorded? |
| 04:24.51 | Black_Chaos | I think once the group gets rolling it will be really fun |
| 04:25.04 | Black_Chaos | no recording |
| 04:25.08 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 04:25.17 | mindjuju | did thebigdog go? he said he was thinking about it |
| 04:25.37 | Black_Chaos | hopefully herlo will get recording stuff available to all the groups |
| 04:25.49 | herlo | Black_Chaos: for sure |
| 04:26.18 | herlo | I didn't ave tiem enough to get it all setup or all fo the grouyps this month |
| 04:26.25 | Black_Chaos | whos thebigdog? There were a couple others there but I wouldn't know thebigdog |
| 04:26.35 | mindjuju | ray hunter |
| 04:26.59 | Black_Chaos | no I don't believe he was there |
| 04:27.16 | Black_Chaos | herlo: I know your trying. Its cool that you are doing it |
| 04:29.21 | herlo | nd I should make this months uphpu. what's it on? |
| 04:35.14 | mindjuju | we're in the process of having a change in topic, i should get topic confirmation from a presenter tomorrow |
| 04:35.43 | mindjuju | I've asked Authorize.net to come out to the meeting and talk about coding to their APIs, maybe a little ecomm security |
| 04:36.05 | mindjuju | olds also volunteered if they couldn't to do a presentation on memcache |
| 04:36.16 | Black_Chaos | sweet |
| 04:36.20 | mindjuju | and fungus offered to do mysql replication |
| 04:36.43 | mindjuju | so i got some aces i can play if Authorize doesn't come through |
| 04:36.59 | mindjuju | it's short notice so i don't hold them in bad light |
| 04:37.39 | mindjuju | black_chaos , which topic did you think was sweet? |
| 04:38.23 | Black_Chaos | well they all sound cool but I was sweet-ing the Authorize.net |
| 04:38.35 | mindjuju | ah cool, i was hoping that sounded cool |
| 04:39.10 | mindjuju | finding out more about their APIs and being able to code to them better could help in jobs in general and in consulting gigs |
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| 05:35.41 | mindjuju | cya gents, heading home for the night |
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| 15:59.34 | SunSparc | Magandang umaga lahat na kayo! |
| 16:00.15 | SunSparc | Und guten mogen auch! |
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| 16:14.22 | brasto | SunSparc's speaking in tongues... |
| 16:14.33 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:15.06 | brasto | Phillipino, SunSparc? |
| 16:15.22 | SunSparc | That is one, correct |
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| 16:16.19 | brasto | second line is German, SunSparc? |
| 16:16.33 | synic | nope, klingon |
| 16:16.40 | synic | actually, they are pretty much the same thing |
| 16:16.44 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:16.48 | SunSparc | brasto: yes |
| 16:17.08 | brasto | sweet |
| 16:17.10 | mgeary | what'd i miss |
| 16:17.11 | mgeary | ? |
| 16:17.36 | SunSparc | How about this one: хорошее утро |
| 16:19.32 | brasto | don't recognize that one, I'd guess Japanese or Chinese. |
| 16:19.33 | SunSparc | mgeary: you almost missed brasto dancing |
| 16:19.48 | thebigdog | SunSparc, russian |
| 16:19.50 | brasto | doh! |
| 16:19.52 | SunSparc | brasto: not pictoral enough |
| 16:19.57 | SunSparc | thebigdog: bingo! |
| 16:20.00 | mgeary | what're we doing? guessing languages? |
| 16:20.06 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 16:20.16 | thebigdog | i got one |
| 16:20.19 | brasto | yep, now I see it's russian |
| 16:20.39 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:20.47 | thebigdog | Càit a bheil mi agus cò sgrìobh seo? |
| 16:21.14 | brasto | thebigdog: that's a language spoken somewhere in Eurasia. |
| 16:21.26 | thebigdog | hehe...it is spoken today |
| 16:21.31 | SunSparc | gaelic |
| 16:21.35 | thebigdog | good job |
| 16:21.41 | SunSparc | woot! |
| 16:22.51 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 16:22.56 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you there? |
| 16:22.57 | SunSparc | Nice broad answer |
| 16:23.00 | brasto | Gaelic is spoken in Irland or England, wich is in Eurasia. |
| 16:23.24 | thebigdog | is spoken in argentina too |
| 16:23.48 | brasto | cool, I thought Argentina was all spanish. |
| 16:24.00 | mgeary | boy, you know, i'm considering some dangerous surgery to enhance my little soldier of love. I just wish someone would email me with some safer alternatives. |
| 16:24.01 | thebigdog | they have a lot of european langs |
| 16:24.09 | SunSparc | thebigdog: You speak Gaelic? |
| 16:24.19 | thebigdog | nope...but i have been thinking of learning it |
| 16:24.25 | thebigdog | i have heard it |
| 16:25.28 | mgeary | and getting sick of it |
| 16:25.44 | brasto | ah, that explains... |
| 16:25.55 | SunSparc | Please, don't get me started on spam. |
| 16:26.13 | brasto | mgeary: do you have sendmail-sbls installed? |
| 16:26.20 | SunSparc | thebigdog: check this out: http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/ionnsachadh/ |
| 16:26.20 | olds | we use the google apps gmail for our corporate email |
| 16:26.20 | mgeary | using postfix, fwiw |
| 16:26.38 | brasto | ah, so it's not on your vps? |
| 16:26.54 | brasto | look into this, mgeary: spamhaus.org |
| 16:27.05 | mgeary | blacklists? |
| 16:27.11 | brasto | sort of |
| 16:27.30 | brasto | it's a subscription to the top known spammer IP addresses |
| 16:27.55 | brasto | block all access from these ip address, so they can't even negotiate a connection |
| 16:28.14 | thebigdog | SunSparc, yeah i have seen those |
| 16:28.26 | thebigdog | i have looked at attending the gaelic college too |
| 16:28.35 | thebigdog | but the wife is not onboard....yet! |
| 16:29.51 | SunSparc | thebigdog: cool. What is she not onboard about? |
| 16:30.01 | SunSparc | Learning a new language? |
| 16:30.08 | thebigdog | moving |
| 16:30.34 | SunSparc | You want to move in order to go to college? |
| 16:30.42 | thebigdog | i want to move their |
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| 16:31.06 | SunSparc | Ah, yeah, I have thought about moving to Scotland. |
| 16:31.33 | thebigdog | it would be fun to move there |
| 16:31.38 | thebigdog | but the wife would not like it |
| 16:31.46 | SunSparc | I hear they hate Americans though. |
| 16:32.01 | mgeary | nah, they mostly just hate GWB |
| 16:32.02 | SunSparc | My wife would not be too keen on it either. |
| 16:32.25 | herlo | SunSparc: GWB or Scotland? |
| 16:32.30 | SunSparc | hehe, I don't know why, he seems like a pretty nice guy. |
| 16:32.42 | SunSparc | herlo: hehe |
| 16:33.05 | thebigdog | once they meet thebigdog...it is all good |
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| 16:33.17 | herlo | SunSparc: a nice guy who many think he F***d the US up |
| 16:33.46 | brasto | ~gwb |
| 16:33.47 | jbot | gwb is, like, a fucking money |
| 16:34.02 | mgeary | ~pottymouth jbot |
| 16:34.32 | SunSparc | herlo: Yeah, I have heard that. Of course, he is not the first and will probably not be the last. |
| 16:34.33 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:34.39 | herlo | nope |
| 16:34.48 | brasto | ~forget gwb |
| 16:34.48 | jbot | i forgot gwb, brasto |
| 16:34.57 | SunSparc | brasto: good call |
| 16:35.07 | brasto | ~dict gwb |
| 16:35.56 | brasto | ~lart people who think jbot factoids with swear words are funny |
| 16:35.56 | jbot | whips people who think jbot factoids with swear words are funny with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 16:36.14 | brasto | ~wiki gwb |
| 16:36.44 | brasto | what's that got to do with money? |
| 16:36.59 | fungus | ~assrape |
| 16:37.00 | jbot | ACTION bends fungus over. uNF uNF uNF. |
| 16:37.08 | mgeary | oh jeeze, fungus |
| 16:37.21 | fungus | I didn't create that one. |
| 16:37.25 | brasto | ~gwb is George W Bush |
| 16:37.25 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 16:38.44 | SunSparc | fungus: but you invoked it |
| 16:39.37 | fungus | had to, since brasto lart'ed me |
| 16:40.03 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:40.24 | brasto | ~brastotack fungus |
| 16:40.24 | jbot | ACTION lectures fungus on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until fungus can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 16:42.51 | mgeary | ~stevejobsify fungus |
| 16:42.52 | jbot | ACTION drags fungus by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until funguss eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 16:43.28 | fungus | Oooh, Macworld is coming. |
| 16:44.04 | mgeary | indeed, though it seems they've already tipped their hand with the new offerings |
| 16:44.12 | mgeary | upgraded Xserve, upgraded MacPro |
| 16:45.02 | fungus | Those are not macworld type announcements though |
| 16:45.13 | fungus | macworld is usually consumer stuff |
| 16:45.39 | fungus | like iphones, ipods, ilife, macbooks, etc |
| 16:46.53 | mgeary | well, macbooks are as much pro as MacPros, though i concede that Xserves aren't the stuff of MacWorld |
| 16:52.07 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: le ping |
| 16:53.51 | SunSparc | Digg.com says: MacWorld keynote is in... 3 days, 23 hours, 6 min, 18 sec |
| 16:54.15 | PoeticIntensity | sup? |
| 16:54.53 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: I was wondering how you mssql project is coming |
| 16:54.57 | mgeary | bah, iPhone |
| 16:55.23 | PoeticIntensity | it's .. done... |
| 16:55.27 | wps | that and iTunes movie rentals and wps' credit card will come out |
| 16:55.28 | SunSparc | AppleTV already has a USB2 port. They just need it to do something |
| 16:55.30 | PoeticIntensity | I'm now just sifting through all the tables. |
| 16:55.43 | beandog | that stupid appletv box needs an spdif port. |
| 16:55.45 | PoeticIntensity | figuring out the crap ones from the ones I actually need. |
| 16:55.46 | beandog | what is this, 1987? |
| 16:55.59 | PoeticIntensity | I'll then export the ones I need to csv, and import them into PGSQL. |
| 16:56.01 | wps | what is spdif? |
| 16:56.09 | PoeticIntensity | digital out, wps. |
| 16:56.11 | beandog | digital audio out |
| 16:56.20 | wps | optical? HDMI? |
| 16:56.24 | PoeticIntensity | both |
| 16:56.26 | SunSparc | It has HDMI |
| 16:56.35 | wps | I know what the AppleTV has |
| 16:56.35 | beandog | it has DVI |
| 16:56.41 | wps | I'm trying to understand what spdif is |
| 16:56.47 | PoeticIntensity | spdif is a technical reference to anything digital audio out. |
| 16:56.53 | beandog | wps: just a different audio jack |
| 16:56.54 | PoeticIntensity | coaxial, optical, etc... |
| 16:56.55 | wps | ah |
| 16:57.03 | SunSparc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spdif |
| 16:57.06 | olds | mindjuju here? |
| 16:57.17 | PoeticIntensity | olds no. |
| 16:57.20 | olds | k |
| 16:57.23 | wps | most people refer to that as "optical" :) |
| 16:57.34 | mgeary | does the AppleTV have a TV receiver? |
| 16:57.43 | olds | no |
| 16:57.46 | PoeticIntensity | true...., however, not all digital audio out is "optical". |
| 16:57.57 | wps | understood |
| 16:58.09 | mgeary | so why would one bother with an AppleTV instead of simply a MacMini with FrontRow? |
| 16:58.25 | beandog | just get a tivo. |
| 16:58.29 | mgeary | i guess the AppleTV is cheaper, but i've already got a couple of Minis |
| 16:58.30 | olds | price |
| 16:58.30 | beandog | and pay $400 for their lifetime subscription. |
| 16:58.30 | PoeticIntensity | also (not to beat a dead horse) - most people think that optical out is superior to coaxial (both digital out), which is not the case... |
| 16:58.35 | beandog | plus $300 for the box. |
| 16:58.36 | beandog | it's a steal! |
| 16:58.38 | PoeticIntensity | both are identical as to quality. |
| 16:58.44 | wps | so, since AppleTV has HDMI, doesn't it have spdif? |
| 16:58.52 | beandog | it doesnt have hdmi |
| 16:58.53 | beandog | it has DVI |
| 16:59.01 | PoeticIntensity | HDMI incorporates a digital audio out. |
| 16:59.02 | beandog | whch can connect to an HDMI port, but it'll only do video |
| 16:59.20 | beandog | at least, I dont *think* it has an HDMI port |
| 17:00.01 | wps | it does have HDMI audio and video |
| 17:00.03 | wps | http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html |
| 17:00.12 | beandog | hey lookie there. |
| 17:00.21 | beandog | hmm |
| 17:00.23 | beandog | I guess I will buy one. |
| 17:00.30 | beandog | they totally revamped thsi thing. |
| 17:00.32 | beandog | its about time. |
| 17:00.45 | wps | I will with one of two things: video rentals and/or DVR |
| 17:00.52 | wps | otherwise, it's not worth the price for me |
| 17:01.03 | beandog | just put gentoo on there |
| 17:01.06 | fungus | I just want my macbook tablet |
| 17:01.08 | wps | just streaming my music and pictures to my tv isn't worth $300 |
| 17:01.18 | beandog | its only $300? |
| 17:01.20 | beandog | now Im really gonna get one. |
| 17:01.36 | wps | wait a week… it's sure to be upgraded |
| 17:02.00 | beandog | I wonder what kinda proccie it has |
| 17:02.14 | beandog | wps: wait? me? |
| 17:02.23 | SunSparc | wps: I stream my entire DVD library through my AppleTV to my tv. It is great. My wife and kids never have to go looking for a movie again, aside from scrolling through the list. |
| 17:02.46 | wps | you ripped them all and put them all into iTunes? |
| 17:02.50 | beandog | "Intel processor" |
| 17:02.53 | beandog | lovely spec list. |
| 17:02.54 | beandog | :B |
| 17:02.55 | SunSparc | wps: Yep! |
| 17:02.59 | wps | how many movies do you have? |
| 17:03.00 | PoeticIntensity | beandog - log into pidgin. |
| 17:03.08 | wps | how much hard drive space are they taking up |
| 17:03.16 | SunSparc | Several hundred |
| 17:03.27 | SunSparc | a couple hundred gb |
| 17:03.31 | wps | ripping all of that must have taken forever |
| 17:03.43 | SunSparc | I have the movies at about 500mb each |
| 17:03.54 | SunSparc | It did take several months :) |
| 17:04.00 | SunSparc | My brother helped. |
| 17:04.56 | mgeary | 500mb? that's not allowing for a high datarate |
| 17:05.19 | mgeary | i ripped Pirates 3 last night and it was 1.5 gigs at the smallest size/datarate i dared do |
| 17:05.25 | olds | this is going to sound weird, but can you eval a class definition to load that class? |
| 17:05.26 | mgeary | of course, it's also almost 3 hours |
| 17:05.44 | mgeary | olds: why would you do such a thing? eval is evil |
| 17:05.45 | olds | don't ask why |
| 17:07.42 | mgeary | you'd have to eval such a long string, there'd be so much risk of something going awry. |
| 17:07.49 | olds | oh man |
| 17:07.51 | mgeary | i just don't see how that could possibly be a good idea |
| 17:07.52 | olds | it totally works |
| 17:08.01 | olds | I'm not going to use it, I was just curious |
| 17:09.24 | beandog | SunSparc: do you know what processor it has? |
| 17:09.25 | SunSparc | mgeary: I used 2 pass encoding and 500 kbps average bitrate |
| 17:09.39 | mgeary | SunSparc: h264? |
| 17:09.43 | olds | mgeary: don't worry, I'm not that dumb |
| 17:09.47 | SunSparc | mgeary: yes |
| 17:09.50 | mgeary | i use ~1200 kbps |
| 17:10.06 | mgeary | SunSparc: what dimensions do you output? |
| 17:10.14 | SunSparc | beandog: Intel[1] 1.0 GHz "Crofton" Processor[33] |
| 17:10.22 | beandog | 1.0ghz? yeeks. Is it quiet? |
| 17:10.26 | mgeary | do you really find that 500kbps gives you enough quality? |
| 17:10.40 | SunSparc | beandog: I don't hear it. but it runs really hot |
| 17:10.50 | SunSparc | mgeary: depends on the movie |
| 17:11.04 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, I use right below 2000kbps... |
| 17:11.05 | SunSparc | mgeary: 1024x768 on some lower on others |
| 17:11.13 | mgeary | jeeze |
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| 17:11.28 | mgeary | i do ~700x~300 |
| 17:11.32 | PoeticIntensity | what codec are you using to compress, SunSparc ? |
| 17:11.35 | SunSparc | mgeary: I don't find that I notice the quality much while I am watching it. |
| 17:11.44 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: h264 |
| 17:11.47 | PoeticIntensity | ah |
| 17:12.02 | beandog | SunSparc: what video card? |
| 17:12.10 | beandog | ATI, Im guessing |
| 17:12.25 | PoeticIntensity | *ouch*... |
| 17:12.35 | SunSparc | beandog: I am getting my info from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV |
| 17:12.54 | beandog | ooh, nvidia |
| 17:12.55 | beandog | thx SunSparc |
| 17:12.58 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:12.59 | beandog | you da man. |
| 17:13.27 | SunSparc | hehe, thanks |
| 17:13.57 | SunSparc | mgeary: I use Handbrake |
| 17:14.00 | mgeary | me too |
| 17:14.10 | SunSparc | :) It rocks |
| 17:14.14 | mgeary | yeap |
| 17:14.43 | mgeary | i've started ripping all our DVDs as well. With our little kids, the lifespan of any given DVD is seriously in question |
| 17:17.45 | SunSparc | Seriously. While I am ripping them, I make backup hard copy and stick that in the DVD case in case the AppleTV is busy and the kids still want to watch movies downstairs. Then I have all the originals in a big optical disc folder. |
| 17:26.33 | mgeary | nice, though that's a lot of time |
| 17:26.40 | mgeary | you use Toast to duplicate the disc? |
| 17:26.59 | SunSparc | Yes, after it is ripped |
| 17:27.13 | SunSparc | I use Mac the Ripper to do the ripping |
| 17:27.23 | mgeary | i thought you used HandBrake |
| 17:27.30 | SunSparc | That is for the encoding |
| 17:28.00 | SunSparc | Although Handbrake does rip as well, but not to a dvd format |
| 17:28.12 | mgeary | yeah, i use Handbrake to rip and encode |
| 17:28.28 | SunSparc | Yep, I do that sometimes also. |
| 17:28.39 | mgeary | so what is Mac the Ripper doing for you that Toast & Handbrake wouldn't? |
| 17:28.59 | SunSparc | Although if I rip multiple disks to my drive with Mac the Ripper than I can queue them all up in Handbrake and sleep while it does it's thing. |
| 17:29.16 | beandog | I loves to rip dvds. |
| 17:29.17 | mgeary | how big does a rip file end up? about 4.7 gigs? |
| 17:29.33 | mgeary | does it rip all tracks? |
| 17:29.52 | SunSparc | Mac the Ripper takes off any security features and lays down a duplication of the dvd on the hard drive in standard TS folders. |
| 17:29.55 | thebigdog | depends on the movie and what you pull out of it |
| 17:30.13 | SunSparc | thebigdog: yes |
| 17:30.21 | SunSparc | usually about the size of the dvd |
| 17:30.26 | thebigdog | usually i combine them all into 1 file |
| 17:30.36 | mgeary | i see, so you then just burn the VIDEO_TS folder to a DVD |
| 17:30.39 | thebigdog | with audio, video and any subtitles |
| 17:31.07 | thebigdog | the i save mine and convert that file to divx |
| 17:31.48 | thebigdog | handbrake is a nice too |
| 17:31.49 | thebigdog | tool |
| 17:33.49 | SunSparc | mgeary: yes |
| 17:34.16 | SunSparc | thebigdog: how do you combine them? |
| 17:34.25 | thebigdog | mplayer |
| 17:34.40 | thebigdog | beandog showed me a cool command |
| 17:34.40 | SunSparc | mplayer++ |
| 17:34.49 | thebigdog | to copy that stuff |
| 17:35.36 | beandog | dumpstraem? |
| 17:35.39 | beandog | stream |
| 17:35.52 | thebigdog | yeah something like that |
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| 17:36.13 | beandog | written in php, even! |
| 17:36.16 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:36.22 | thebigdog | youll have to share it |
| 17:36.33 | beandog | yah Im still working on getting it cleaned up for release. |
| 17:36.35 | beandog | its in svn though. |
| 17:36.37 | thebigdog | i have a bash script that does mine |
| 17:36.53 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/svn/dvd2mkv.php?root=bend&view=markup |
| 17:37.22 | beandog | autodetects widescreen / fullscreen movie, picks widescreen. autodetects english language track (with most channels), and subtitles |
| 17:37.27 | beandog | and crams it all into a matroska file. |
| 17:37.29 | beandog | :) |
| 17:37.36 | beandog | oh and it gets the chapter info too. |
| 17:37.43 | beandog | and the aspect ratio. |
| 17:38.06 | beandog | and its interactive. :) |
| 17:38.06 | thebigdog | nice |
| 17:38.10 | beandog | and it stores it all in a sqlite db! |
| 17:38.15 | thebigdog | sweet |
| 17:38.29 | mgeary | ~revive beandog |
| 17:38.30 | jbot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive beandog |
| 17:39.01 | thebigdog | i just dump to a vob file |
| 17:39.04 | thebigdog | and then work my magic |
| 17:39.10 | beandog | thats what I do. no encoding for me. |
| 17:39.20 | beandog | takes too long. |
| 17:39.34 | mgeary | so you just have a ton of 4-gig files lying around?? |
| 17:39.53 | mgeary | sheesh |
| 17:39.58 | beandog | 821GB, actually. |
| 17:40.00 | mgeary | i mean, HDs are cheap, but still |
| 17:40.10 | beandog | :) |
| 17:40.12 | beandog | yah |
| 17:40.18 | beandog | I got my last 750GB drive for $150 :D |
| 17:40.26 | mgeary | that is good |
| 17:40.41 | mgeary | Costco's got a 1TB drive for $249, but yours is a better deal |
| 17:40.59 | beandog | yah its actually crazy, going to 1 TB and the price almost doubles. |
| 17:41.08 | beandog | probably because thats the ceiling right now |
| 17:41.11 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:41.15 | mgeary | it's psychological |
| 17:41.36 | mgeary | though that drive was external and had FW |
| 17:41.45 | mgeary | which bumps the price a bit, but dang, it's better |
| 17:42.12 | beandog | yah |
| 17:42.18 | beandog | I cant believe how much the prices are going down |
| 17:42.26 | beandog | it seems like just a year ago that youd pay $250 for a 80gb drive. |
| 17:44.24 | mgeary | or even $250 for 250gigs. |
| 17:44.59 | herlo | Im waiting for 1tb to be $150 or less |
| 17:45.21 | mgeary | might be a while yet |
| 17:45.33 | beandog | yah |
| 17:45.34 | mgeary | prolly have to wait until drives > 1TB come out, like beandog was saying |
| 17:45.39 | beandog | exactly |
| 18:05.42 | mgeary | how can i use ffmpeg to convert a video file to another file with as little compression as possible? |
| 18:06.09 | mgeary | for example, in Quicktime if you use the Animation code at 100% quality, it only uses a zip-like compression. it's lossless |
| 18:06.19 | mgeary | is there an equivalent i could access with ffmpeg? |
| 18:06.31 | beandog | well what do you want to convert it to |
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| 18:06.49 | mgeary | the context is, i have a compressed video that the client has lost the source to, and we need to make some edits |
| 18:07.15 | mgeary | so i want to get it from FLV into something editable (quicktime-friendly), and then i'll need to re-compress. so i'd like that initial conversion to not compress |
| 18:07.27 | mgeary | in order to avoid munging it yet again |
| 18:07.55 | mgeary | ffv1 ? |
| 18:08.02 | mgeary | looks like that's lossless |
| 18:08.16 | beandog | oh |
| 18:08.20 | beandog | so just another container. |
| 18:08.27 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:08.42 | beandog | mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy foo.flv -o bar.avi might work |
| 18:08.54 | mgeary | don't have mencoder, just ffmpeg |
| 18:09.03 | mgeary | is there an equivalent? |
| 18:10.30 | beandog | mm |
| 18:10.31 | beandog | dunno. |
| 18:10.35 | beandog | I dont know ffmpegs syntaxt oo well. |
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| 18:21.44 | Utah_Dave | herlo: I have a Fedora question for you |
| 18:22.24 | beandog | http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=83550&in_page_id=2 |
| 18:22.29 | beandog | that is freaking awesome. |
| 18:23.28 | Utah_Dave | that is funny |
| 18:23.53 | herlo | Utah_Dave: shoot |
| 18:24.43 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I'm cleaning up to go to FUDCon, so I'll be in and out for the next hour or so... |
| 18:26.04 | beandog | herlo: have fun man :) |
| 18:26.16 | herlo | :) |
| 18:28.03 | Utah_Dave | ok. |
| 18:28.46 | Utah_Dave | I've got a sweet new production server I'm setting up. It's running a PHP database app that doesn't even make the machine yawn |
| 18:28.51 | beandog | I think Im gonna go watch TRON |
| 18:29.12 | SunSparc | It still rocks! |
| 18:29.19 | Utah_Dave | I'm running Fedora 8 on it. I might want to run some virutal servers on it for testing later. |
| 18:29.41 | Utah_Dave | Are there any performance hits or reasons to not run the Xen kernel in this instance? |
| 18:29.55 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 18:29.56 | jbot | ACTION calls Beth to rough up thebigdog |
| 18:29.57 | Utah_Dave | while I'm not actually running any virtual servers on it? |
| 18:30.02 | mindjuju | ~APB olds |
| 18:30.03 | jbot | ACTION summons baby Lyssa to rough up olds |
| 18:34.55 | olds | sup |
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| 19:29.04 | timinator | mgeary: that looks cool |
| 19:29.13 | mgeary | its a ton of fun |
| 19:32.55 | influx^^ | yeah! |
| 19:32.59 | influx^^ | I went to that place once. |
| 19:33.04 | influx^^ | Best tubing experience ever. |
| 19:33.19 | influx^^ | I'm working a few miles from there right now. |
| 19:33.41 | influx^^ | I think. |
| 19:33.43 | influx^^ | hmm. |
| 19:38.24 | mindjuju | anybody know what qcodo is, or use it? |
| 19:52.14 | bradym | it's an MVC framework for PHP.. never used it though.. we're using CodeIgniter |
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| 20:33.32 | herlo | jsmith: ping |
| 20:33.54 | jsmith | herlo: plink |
| 20:35.15 | herlo | jsmith: I couldn't find the eeep c people so I came back |
| 20:35.40 | herlo | I'm in the yum rawhide project |
| 20:42.20 | jsmith | herlo: Gotcha |
| 20:43.07 | herlo | :) |
| 20:50.02 | mindjuju | uh oh, somebody's pickin' fight with orsonj on the mailing list |
| 20:51.17 | influx^^ | ...and emergency Kazoos. |
| 20:57.15 | mindjuju | awesome - http://www.brandonbird.com/halloween_treat.html |
| 20:57.23 | mindjuju | influx that was for you bro |
| 21:00.22 | SunSparc | It's the old TABLEs are evil debate. |
| 21:02.48 | influx^^ | heh. Thanks, mindjuju. |
| 21:02.51 | influx^^ | I dig the walken |
| 21:03.06 | influx^^ | It'd be cool if it were in eps format |
| 21:05.25 | influx^^ | o |
| 21:05.30 | influx^^ | the fight is about tables? |
| 21:07.10 | PoeticIntensity | sorta.... |
| 21:07.13 | PoeticIntensity | not really a fight. |
| 21:07.18 | PoeticIntensity | unless orsonj responds, of course... |
| 21:07.54 | PoeticIntensity | anyone here wanna place bets on who has the most "inbox" email sitting in their gmail account? |
| 21:15.01 | timinator | mine is for several maillists.... so I've got a bunch |
| 21:15.14 | SunSparc | 19932 email message in my Gmail inbox |
| 21:15.19 | PoeticIntensity | niice. |
| 21:15.27 | PoeticIntensity | I've got 15007 |
| 21:15.30 | SunSparc | Sweet |
| 21:15.41 | SunSparc | Gmail told me, "You are currently using 2358 MB (37%) of your 6308 MB." |
| 21:15.58 | PoeticIntensity | 11% here. |
| 21:16.46 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: You are catching up with me. :) |
| 21:17.27 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 21:17.33 | PoeticIntensity | I'll have to subscribe to more spam. |
| 21:18.02 | influx^^ | Let's compare spam counts. |
| 21:19.04 | PoeticIntensity | I delete my spam... |
| 21:19.15 | influx^^ | I have spam sitting in my account from 2000. |
| 21:19.34 | influx^^ | I didn't set up the account to delete old email/spam lik eI thought I had. |
| 21:20.08 | tierra | I though that was a default 30-day setting in Gmail |
| 21:20.20 | SunSparc | I setup Gmail to be an archive of all my old mail. |
| 21:20.23 | influx^^ | Well, I had my e-mail on kenny's servers. |
| 21:20.35 | influx^^ | Everything was migrated this week. |
| 21:20.47 | tierra | ah |
| 21:20.48 | influx^^ | I have about 30k spam emails to sift through. |
| 21:20.58 | influx^^ | So, not a whoooole lot, but quite a bit. |
| 21:21.11 | tierra | where they flagged before at least? |
| 21:21.16 | tierra | you can filter on headers |
| 21:21.29 | tierra | I think |
| 21:21.29 | influx^^ | They're in a spam folder. |
| 21:21.40 | influx^^ | thanks to gmail |
| 21:22.13 | tierra | my spam box has 1500 despite the 30 day deletion policy |
| 21:22.39 | tierra | so, about 50/day |
| 21:24.56 | tierra | Pandora just needs to allow downloading the J2ME app regardless of checking phone version |
| 21:24.58 | influx^^ | I'd just like to be able to create folders in gmail. |
| 21:25.18 | tierra | I'm like 90% positive it'll work on my phone, but they don't officially support it |
| 21:25.52 | tierra | labels are folders in Gmail |
| 21:26.34 | tierra | I wish you could look at your inbox without any mail that _has_ a label though |
| 21:26.39 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.. IMO, labels are better than folders. |
| 21:27.06 | tierra | or maybe some label:none filter or something |
| 21:28.39 | unum | what postgresql function do I want to use to format a double precision number |
| 21:31.25 | PoeticIntensity | bah... |
| 21:31.26 | PoeticIntensity | I do it in PHP. |
| 21:31.33 | PoeticIntensity | numeric is the type. |
| 21:31.51 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... I know I've done it in PGSQL, though. |
| 21:32.08 | PoeticIntensity | ROUND(number,2) maybe? |
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| 21:48.06 | unum | PoeticIntensity: thanks |
| 21:48.15 | PoeticIntensity | yup... did it work? |
| 21:48.22 | PoeticIntensity | I pulled that outta the air. |
| 21:48.34 | unum | I casted my double precision to a numeric and then it worked |
| 21:48.40 | unum | this sql statement is nasty |
| 21:48.45 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 21:48.48 | unum | it has three subselects |
| 21:48.56 | unum | a lot of math... |
| 21:48.57 | PoeticIntensity | wow.... it sure is snowing here. |
| 21:49.07 | unum | here too |
| 21:49.15 | mgeary | nothing here |
| 21:49.19 | timinator | not snowing in Ogden |
| 21:49.22 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh* |
| 21:49.25 | SunSparc | keeps thinking about it here |
| 21:49.40 | PoeticIntensity | snow during work doesn't help productivity.... |
| 21:49.49 | unum | I was using substring but that messing up my sort |
| 21:50.07 | unum | of course I didn't think I would ever have a number above 9 |
| 21:50.25 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 21:50.29 | PoeticIntensity | isn't that always the case. |
| 21:50.30 | olds | man it's pouring snow in downtown slc where I am |
| 21:51.00 | wps | feet… and feet worth |
| 21:51.08 | wps | up to the rain gutters |
| 21:51.37 | wps | and you have to dig a tunnel out |
| 21:52.12 | SunSparc | wps: I have had that dream |
| 21:52.17 | SunSparc | That would be mega sweet! |
| 21:52.28 | SunSparc | And you could just have tunnels all over the place |
| 21:52.43 | SunSparc | And play hide and seek in them with your kids. |
| 21:52.46 | olds | and then the sun comes out |
| 21:52.49 | wps | imagine how crazy that would look walking down the street |
| 21:52.55 | olds | and meltsthe roof of your tunnels |
| 21:52.56 | wps | just rooftops at toe level |
| 21:53.11 | SunSparc | Yeah, that would be weird |
| 21:53.15 | PoeticIntensity | rooftops would be covered as well.... |
| 21:53.18 | PoeticIntensity | they'd just be bumps. |
| 21:53.21 | PoeticIntensity | big bumps. |
| 21:53.22 | wps | there would be so much flooding as it melted though |
| 21:53.29 | wps | oh yeah :) |
| 21:53.31 | PoeticIntensity | and most houses would cave in. |
| 21:53.35 | olds | lol |
| 21:53.41 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:53.47 | PoeticIntensity | however... |
| 21:53.48 | PoeticIntensity | I must confess. |
| 21:53.52 | PoeticIntensity | I've had that dream as well. |
| 21:54.11 | PoeticIntensity | imagining that the snowplows kept up with it all.... |
| 21:54.12 | wps | jbot, make olds dream it |
| 21:54.12 | jbot | make: *** No rule to make target `olds dream it'. Stop. |
| 21:54.15 | SunSparc | snow on olds++ |
| 21:54.29 | PoeticIntensity | the streets would just be huge "gutters" of sort.. |
| 21:54.56 | PoeticIntensity | I think if it snowed a foot per day for 3 months straight, that'd be simply awesome. |
| 21:55.09 | timinator | Bora Bora ++ |
| 21:55.19 | PoeticIntensity | and I think the plows could keep up, too. |
| 21:55.42 | wps | snow is so much better than salt water in your mouth and sand in your crotch |
| 21:55.49 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 21:56.00 | timinator | I disagree :) |
| 21:56.09 | PoeticIntensity | I must interject, however, that nothing compares to the sound of waves on the beach... |
| 21:56.32 | timinator | I'd much rather have sand and saltwater in my crotch than snow in my crotch |
| 21:56.36 | PoeticIntensity | I've lived by mountains my whole life, and the sounds of the beach beat any sound of the mountains. |
| 21:56.38 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:56.49 | mindjuju | ^5 timinator |
| 21:56.51 | wps | I hate swimming, heat, humidity, sand, salt water, traveling, flying, vacationing, customs, other countries |
| 21:56.56 | timinator | ^5 mindjuju |
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| 21:57.44 | timinator | with a hole, so the snow can get in his crotch |
| 21:57.56 | timinator | hehe |
| 21:57.57 | Utah_Dave | ~ping herlo |
| 21:57.58 | jbot | pong herlo |
| 21:58.28 | herlo | Utah_Dave: pong |
| 21:58.28 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:58.40 | olds | why can't php have named arguments!? so frustrating |
| 21:58.52 | timinator | don't mind him, he's just got snow of the crotch |
| 21:58.52 | SunSparc | olds: eh? |
| 21:58.59 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:59.15 | Utah_Dave | hey, does running the kernel with Xen affect performance of the host OS if there are not guest OS'es running? |
| 21:59.28 | Utah_Dave | I'm running Fedora 8 |
| 21:59.54 | mindjuju | plus, while i'm not currently shopping, the womenz look much better on the beach than in a parka in snow |
| 21:59.55 | herlo | Utah_Dave: a little because the xen hypervisor requires resources |
| 21:59.58 | olds | SunSparc: it's just frustrating |
| 22:00.26 | Utah_Dave | hm |
| 22:01.13 | unum | my sql statement is at 2875 chars |
| 22:03.18 | SunSparc | olds: What do you mean by "named arguments" |
| 22:03.34 | herlo | Utah_Dave: stop xend |
| 22:03.52 | wps | I wish you could take an antibiotic and a pain pill every day without any negative side effects |
| 22:03.57 | mgeary | python++ |
| 22:04.02 | mgeary | SunSparc: like this: |
| 22:04.22 | mgeary | function bleh(arg1=default_value,arg2=something,...) |
| 22:04.38 | wps | you can do that in PHP, can't you? |
| 22:04.39 | mgeary | so you don't have to "pad" optional arguments to get to one you want to specify |
| 22:04.50 | mgeary | wps: not if you do this: |
| 22:04.59 | olds | no |
| 22:05.02 | SunSparc | wps: eating well and exercising regularly would be just as effective with only positive side effects. |
| 22:05.06 | olds | http://www.diveintopython.org/power_of_introspection/optional_arguments.html |
| 22:05.09 | mgeary | function bleh($input_a,$input_b="x",$input_c,$input_d="y") |
| 22:05.20 | wps | I swear I've seen PHP that looked like that |
| 22:05.22 | SunSparc | Yeah, I do that in PHP |
| 22:05.25 | PoeticIntensity | me too. |
| 22:05.28 | PoeticIntensity | I've done it many times. |
| 22:05.30 | mgeary | okay |
| 22:05.32 | mgeary | now try this: |
| 22:05.46 | mgeary | let's say you want to specify input_d, but NOT input_b |
| 22:05.50 | mgeary | how you gonna do that? |
| 22:05.51 | olds | yea |
| 22:06.01 | wps | I have no idea |
| 22:06.02 | mgeary | ^5 olds |
| 22:06.09 | olds | ^5 |
| 22:06.09 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
| 22:06.14 | mgeary | in python you can do: |
| 22:06.15 | SunSparc | null? |
| 22:06.27 | timinator | I just pass an array in that case |
| 22:06.37 | timinator | bleh($stuff) |
| 22:06.38 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:06.54 | timinator | then $stuff["input_d"] |
| 22:07.01 | olds | timinator: which pisses me off because then you have to know the contents of the array when pouring over the code |
| 22:07.01 | synic | python you can do: bleh(5, input_d=3434) for your function call |
| 22:07.10 | timinator | true |
| 22:07.11 | mgeary | exactly |
| 22:07.28 | PoeticIntensity | in PHP, can't you just pad it? |
| 22:07.42 | PoeticIntensity | bleh(5,,,3434) |
| 22:07.46 | olds | ok, and I go and change the function parameters |
| 22:07.46 | PoeticIntensity | er something? |
| 22:07.53 | olds | so the 3rd is now the fourth |
| 22:07.55 | timinator | or put your optional vars at the end |
| 22:07.59 | PoeticIntensity | yes... I know it's a pain... |
| 22:08.03 | PoeticIntensity | but it can be done. |
| 22:08.07 | olds | no |
| 22:08.11 | olds | that's not named arguments |
| 22:08.18 | timinator | true |
| 22:08.23 | PoeticIntensity | I've never heard of named arguments, so... |
| 22:08.26 | PoeticIntensity | I really can't argue. |
| 22:08.36 | mgeary | it's elegant |
| 22:08.38 | mgeary | that's all |
| 22:08.39 | PoeticIntensity | however, it looks like it's awesome. |
| 22:08.41 | mgeary | just a nice touch |
| 22:08.56 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt. |
| 22:08.58 | synic | named arguments are awesome, especially for things like say... a mysql connection: db = MySQLdb.connect(username='foo', passwd='something') |
| 22:08.59 | mgeary | kind of like how list comprehension is elegant |
| 22:09.02 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 22:09.05 | olds | it just saves from doing things like this pullStats('','','','','','',5,'','','','','','',10); |
| 22:09.08 | olds | or whatever |
| 22:09.15 | synic | they don't have to be in any sort of order, and if you don't pass one in, it'll use the defaults |
| 22:09.21 | olds | yup |
| 22:09.28 | PoeticIntensity | very nice. |
| 22:09.32 | olds | synic is on the trolley |
| 22:09.46 | PoeticIntensity | I'm in a Mustang. :) |
| 22:10.01 | PoeticIntensity | sorry... I'm tired. |
| 22:10.21 | PoeticIntensity | I don't wanna caffeinate myself today, but it looks like I might need to. |
| 22:10.32 | olds | mmmm caffeine |
| 22:10.42 | PoeticIntensity | yup.. |
| 22:10.44 | PoeticIntensity | gonna need it. |
| 22:10.51 | PoeticIntensity | aww shucks.... |
| 22:11.03 | PoeticIntensity | I just looked out the window thinking I could drive in the snow, and it's already stopped. |
| 22:12.03 | mindjuju | holy crap! Dow down by 300 today |
| 22:14.30 | olds | there's no recession! |
| 22:14.31 | jsmith | mindjuju: That means it's discount day tomorrow... the Dow Jones Industrials on a 10% off sale ;-) |
| 22:14.33 | olds | there's no inflation! |
| 22:14.54 | influx^^ | there's no RealID! |
| 22:14.58 | influx^^ | ...yet |
| 22:16.42 | Utah_Dave | thanks, herlo |
| 22:16.47 | olds | influx^^: do you have much experience with UI design? |
| 22:17.43 | herlo | np |
| 22:21.33 | influx^^ | Not yet. For what are you asking? |
| 22:22.04 | olds | we might have a job for a UI/Frontend person here at my place of employment |
| 22:25.15 | influx^^ | What's the UI/Frontend for? |
| 22:25.22 | influx^^ | Intranet? |
| 22:25.25 | influx^^ | Website? |
| 22:25.35 | influx^^ | Boss's Pet Poodle site? |
| 22:26.44 | olds | variety of projects |
| 22:26.54 | olds | not intranet stuff |
| 22:27.17 | influx^^ | What's your company again? |
| 22:28.00 | olds | http://neutroninteractive.com we didn't design it or code it, hence the abundance of tables |
| 22:29.05 | olds | http://www.clover-design.com/ these guys did it |
| 22:29.52 | timinator | I'll take the site for the boss' pet poodle |
| 22:29.53 | timinator | :) |
| 22:30.00 | olds | hehe |
| 22:33.31 | mgeary | Cringley is, for the most part, a complete dork, but this article does make for an interesting read: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080111_003899.html |
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| 22:39.09 | mindjuju | anybody looking for a job? |
| 22:39.37 | mindjuju | pretty cool one at that, with what i imagine would be tons of swag and street cred |
| 22:39.51 | mgeary | thebigdog's old jog? ;) |
| 22:39.55 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:39.55 | mgeary | s/jog/job/ |
| 22:39.57 | mindjuju | even better |
| 22:40.05 | mgeary | *MY* job??! |
| 22:40.12 | timinator | better than a line cook at McDs?!?! |
| 22:40.14 | mindjuju | better |
| 22:40.18 | mgeary | psh |
| 22:40.21 | mindjuju | better than whopper king even! |
| 22:40.37 | mindjuju | here is job promo - http://www.joestump.net/2008/01/digg-is-hiring-lamp-programmers.html |
| 22:40.47 | timinator | digg?! |
| 22:40.55 | timinator | eph |
| 22:40.57 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:41.06 | timinator | I'll pass.... |
| 22:41.11 | timinator | even if I were looking |
| 22:41.13 | mindjuju | really? |
| 22:41.21 | timinator | yep |
| 22:41.27 | mindjuju | man, i think working at digg would be tons of fun |
| 22:41.35 | timinator | digg is a tad liberal for my tastes |
| 22:41.38 | mindjuju | challenging , etc |
| 22:41.54 | timinator | and I don't think the work would be fun |
| 22:41.59 | mindjuju | yeah, but liberalism isn't communicable |
| 22:42.07 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:43.03 | timinator | liberalism is a mindset... and it's repulsing |
| 22:43.25 | mindjuju | yeah, but you're not going to become liberal by working at a place with mainly liberals |
| 22:43.32 | timinator | same with an "entitlement" mentality.... makes me sick |
| 22:43.52 | timinator | it's not that I'll change my views |
| 22:44.14 | timinator | it's simply frustrating |
| 22:44.34 | mindjuju | course though, i love a good debate |
| 22:45.09 | influx^^ | mmm? |
| 22:45.21 | influx^^ | liberalism is a mindset? |
| 22:45.28 | influx^^ | what is liberalism? |
| 22:45.57 | timinator | I'm probably using the wrong term |
| 22:47.01 | timinator | :) |
| 22:48.22 | influx^^ | Well, I'm not arguing. I just don't quite understand. |
| 22:49.12 | timinator | I started talking about 1 thing and ended up talking about another.... |
| 22:49.18 | SunSparc | No one really understands. Everyone has their own definitions of the same words. Everyone actually agrees on everything, they just do not know it because their communication is tainted by misunderstanding. |
| 22:49.31 | influx^^ | ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:49.44 | olds | lol |
| 22:49.44 | timinator | and I've got a green light on a project, so I gotta go |
| 22:49.46 | timinator | sorry |
| 22:49.54 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:49.55 | influx^^ | how convenient |
| 22:50.05 | olds | 15:43 <+timinator> liberalism is a mindset... and it's repulsing |
| 22:50.12 | olds | s/liberalism/conservatism |
| 22:50.21 | olds | done and done |
| 22:50.28 | mgeary | gotta add the trailing slash for s/ to work |
| 22:50.28 | influx^^ | conservativism? |
| 22:50.33 | influx^^ | conservatism? |
| 22:50.41 | influx^^ | so, what's that then? |
| 22:50.48 | timinator | geez.... give me a sec |
| 22:50.50 | timinator | dangit |
| 22:50.51 | influx^^ | Someone opposed to any change at all? |
| 22:50.56 | olds | I guess |
| 22:51.04 | olds | I would assume the opposite of liberalism |
| 22:51.07 | influx^^ | Hmm. |
| 22:51.13 | influx^^ | Ok. |
| 22:51.28 | influx^^ | I don't really look at parties or anything anymore. Never quite did. |
| 22:51.42 | olds | house parties are lame most of the time anyway |
| 22:51.55 | olds | not sure what that has to do with this topic |
| 22:52.04 | olds | ;) |
| 22:52.29 | SunSparc | olds: neither do those in the parties |
| 22:54.17 | influx^^ | :) |
| 22:59.00 | PoeticIntensity | olds.... topic pretty much means nothing in here. |
| 22:59.02 | xilch|w | did somebody say parties? |
| 22:59.04 | PoeticIntensity | we chat about pretty much everything. |
| 22:59.10 | PoeticIntensity | see? |
| 22:59.15 | PoeticIntensity | interest is all that matters. |
| 22:59.25 | unum | I got involved with a party so I could have more say |
| 23:00.03 | unum | the funny thing is I'm still registered unaffiliated |
| 23:01.36 | SunSparc | me too |
| 23:02.11 | unum | I hold a position the county party and I'm registered unaffiliated |
| 23:02.17 | influx^^ | I haven't changed my registration since I first registered to vote. |
| 23:02.41 | unum | I need to call four other people and tell them to set up locations as well |
| 23:02.45 | timinator | okay.... I got about 60 seconds..... |
| 23:03.01 | timinator | I was trying to say that digg seemed to start out as a great thing |
| 23:03.22 | timinator | and then they seemed to switch to a group of people that complained about the country |
| 23:03.35 | timinator | and bitching about how they got a raw deal |
| 23:03.48 | timinator | now, I don't even like to check their site out |
| 23:03.56 | timinator | that's what I was trying to say |
| 23:04.08 | timinator | should never had said "liberalism" though |
| 23:04.09 | timinator | :) |
| 23:04.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:04.29 | PoeticIntensity | I understood what ya meant, timinator. |
| 23:04.32 | PoeticIntensity | and I agree. :) |
| 23:04.36 | timinator | and it led to me think of other negative people that I know |
| 23:04.41 | timinator | and try to aviod |
| 23:04.48 | timinator | I try to avoid negative people |
| 23:04.58 | timinator | or people that think they got a raw deal in life |
| 23:05.03 | timinator | it's a joke |
| 23:05.13 | PoeticIntensity | I should blog about what I think about that. |
| 23:05.16 | timinator | get up and get back out there |
| 23:05.18 | PoeticIntensity | people getting a "raw deal". |
| 23:05.41 | timinator | k, that's what I meant about not being fond of a position w/ digg.com |
| 23:05.48 | timinator | sorry to bring politics into it |
| 23:06.52 | olds | I just think the misleading titles on digg are hilarious |
| 23:07.00 | timinator | ya |
| 23:07.04 | mindjuju | come on Friday 5p |
| 23:07.06 | timinator | k, my 60 sec are up |
| 23:07.16 | mindjuju | cya timinator |
| 23:07.47 | olds | I don't necessarily disagree with everything on there, although I do find ron paul supporters to be more obnoxious than Brazilian soccer fans at the world cup |
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| 23:08.11 | olds | seems like every fifth article on there is about ron paul |
| 23:08.25 | olds | RON PAUL ATE A CHEESBURGER!11!1one |
| 23:08.34 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:09.13 | olds | I'm not against ron paul, I just think his supporters are a little .... excitable |
| 23:09.36 | olds | ok I'm done |
| 23:09.58 | mindjuju | anybody doing anything fun this weekend? |
| 23:10.48 | mindjuju | going bachelor with the kids? that could be fun |
| 23:10.49 | SunSparc | Instead of a double or triple father. |
| 23:10.52 | SunSparc | wha huh? |
| 23:10.55 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 23:10.59 | olds | working on Pong with XNA |
| 23:10.59 | SunSparc | The wife left me |
| 23:11.14 | influx^^ | too excitable, is what you're saying. |
| 23:11.16 | influx^^ | ? |
| 23:11.28 | mindjuju | the other day Tiff went off to a meeting and I made cereal for dinner |
| 23:11.33 | olds | I'm done influx^^ :) |
| 23:11.43 | mindjuju | open box, pour cereal, pour milk, insert spoon, all done |
| 23:11.44 | influx^^ | Just clearing it up for myself. |
| 23:12.27 | SunSparc | Yeah, life around the house is a bit different without the wife. |
| 23:12.45 | influx^^ | Breaking out the blue warpaint and sharpened poles, eh SunSparc? |
| 23:12.46 | olds | I can't imagine living with my gf, that'd be odd |
| 23:13.20 | SunSparc | influx^^: Yep! |
| 23:13.49 | SunSparc | I see much Wii happening with my 5 year old and 2 year old over the next couple days. |
| 23:14.19 | SunSparc | Tubing could be fun. Should be sunny tomorrow |
| 23:14.25 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:14.27 | mindjuju | sunsparc, what games do you have for the wii that are fun for kids that age? |
| 23:14.36 | mindjuju | my son is 4yrs |
| 23:14.43 | olds | Raymond's Raving someting |
| 23:14.48 | olds | that's pretty kid friendly |
| 23:14.58 | SunSparc | Wii Sports, of course. And Mario and Sonic Olypics 2008. |
| 23:15.06 | SunSparc | I need to get some more games. |
| 23:15.12 | olds | rabbids |
| 23:15.13 | SunSparc | We just got the Wii barely. |
| 23:15.28 | olds | Raymon Raving Rabbids |
| 23:15.36 | olds | err Rayman |
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| 23:27.02 | timinator | time to break out the Keeblers |
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| 23:40.37 | mgeary | ~cornnuts olds |
| 23:40.38 | jbot | ACTION sends olds out for CornNuts™ for everyone. "Mmm, extra crunchy!" |
| 23:43.15 | olds | thanks? |
| 23:58.16 | mgeary | thanks, my foot. where's my cornnuts? |
| 23:59.14 | beandog | does ubuntu come with a crond installed? |