| 00:05.20 | PoeticIntensity | volume 2 of the link above: |
| 00:05.21 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGkfdQSyKKQ |
| 00:05.31 | mindjuju | is there one? cool! |
| 00:07.44 | beandog | mindjuju: the youtube local addict |
| 00:08.24 | mindjuju | meh, listening to this speaker drone on about tax allocation and making notes of where things need to be cleaned up, got to watch something while listening to that stuff |
| 00:08.51 | herlo | I'd say |
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| 00:21.00 | SunSparc | mindjuju: When I click on that first link I get, "This video or group may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community." |
| 00:21.34 | mindjuju | yeah, cause its videos of tons of people getting hurt, no bad language or anything like that |
| 00:22.13 | mindjuju | at least 3 vids of skiers who slide down like 1000 feet tumbling, several car racing videos |
| 00:22.19 | mindjuju | way ouch |
| 00:22.40 | mindjuju | the whole time i'm watching, i'm like, oh freak! oh freak! |
| 00:25.57 | mindjuju | wow, in PoeticIntensity 's post, there is a backdraft explosion thats nuts |
| 00:26.09 | PoeticIntensity | huge. |
| 00:28.02 | mindjuju | on that one, that's crazy, you see this huge explosion, and this dude that's filming is like 30 feet away and suddenly, static, camera goes out, must have been a heck of an explosion |
| 00:32.43 | timinator | gotta run.... later guys |
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| 00:51.27 | mgeary | anyone still around that knows squid at all? i've got it basically working, but rather than showing the "Access Denied" on blocked domains, i'd prefer it either redirect to another website or show something more customizable |
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| 01:01.04 | mgeary | found it |
| 01:30.34 | mgeary | later folkds |
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| 05:06.26 | mindjuju | i kindly took of that autojoin tunafart off ya utah_dave |
| 05:06.29 | mindjuju | hope you don't miss it |
| 05:06.40 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 05:06.43 | Utah_Dave | thanks, mindjuju |
| 05:07.02 | Utah_Dave | I was wondering if I was going to have to figure out how to turn that sucker off! :) |
| 05:07.14 | Utah_Dave | I thought that was hilarious though. |
| 05:07.21 | mindjuju | yeah, good times |
| 05:07.32 | mindjuju | sooo... now i have to ask you big question |
| 05:07.41 | mindjuju | got a moment to think / answer ? |
| 05:09.19 | Utah_Dave | sure! |
| 05:09.25 | Utah_Dave | anything for the great mindjuju |
| 05:09.55 | mindjuju | uh, you may not think i'm so great in a minute... |
| 05:09.55 | mindjuju | when we gonna get you to present and what topic should i write ya down for? |
| 05:10.05 | mindjuju | :) |
| 05:10.22 | Utah_Dave | he he |
| 05:10.32 | mindjuju | dude! now that we've lost jsmith we've got nobody to talk about asterisk ... maybe you could do PHP and Asterisk ? |
| 05:10.49 | mindjuju | that would be such a hawt topic |
| 05:11.04 | Utah_Dave | Hmm. that would be fun. I actually haven't done a lot of PHP with Asterisk |
| 05:11.22 | Utah_Dave | but maybe that would be fun to give that a whirl |
| 05:11.39 | mindjuju | absolutely! k, here is where I back off and let ya think about it a bit |
| 05:11.46 | mindjuju | i'll bug ya about it in a week |
| 05:12.28 | mindjuju | We've got dataw0lf presenting on PHP and securiity this month, thebigdog doing PHP and SQL next month (joint meet with utah database users group) so then we have a free month after that |
| 05:12.37 | Utah_Dave | ok, well when were you looking for someone to present? |
| 05:12.43 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 05:12.58 | mindjuju | i need to send an email to mailing list to group to call for additional speakers, but i think asterisk could be really cool |
| 05:13.16 | mindjuju | maybe we could tag team with Utah Asterisk (i think there is such a group) |
| 05:14.42 | influx^^ | Where will the presentations be? |
| 05:14.52 | mindjuju | in Draper |
| 05:15.11 | mindjuju | @ Bill Good Marketing - 12393 Gateway Park Place Suite 600 |
| 05:15.28 | influx^^ | :\ |
| 05:15.30 | influx^^ | Aight. |
| 05:15.43 | influx^^ | And I thought dataw0lf was in Reno. |
| 05:15.44 | mindjuju | we should organize carpooling |
| 05:15.57 | mindjuju | dataw0lf is in reno, but is coming up for this monthmeeting |
| 05:16.34 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I'll start putting together a presentation. |
| 05:16.35 | mindjuju | which is not this Thursday, but next |
| 05:16.43 | Utah_Dave | I think I could do it in 2 months |
| 05:16.44 | mindjuju | Utah_Dave, that would be awesome! |
| 05:17.03 | influx^^ | I wouldn't mind chipping in for gas. |
| 05:17.17 | Utah_Dave | maybe 3. I'm supposed to have a bunch of business trips coming up |
| 05:17.30 | Utah_Dave | I should find out a tentative travel schedule this week or next |
| 05:22.30 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: how good is your internets at Bill Good? |
| 05:23.18 | mindjuju | meh, 2 T1s |
| 05:23.43 | mindjuju | i need to drop the sample rate on the stream to accommodate larger audience |
| 05:24.21 | mindjuju | course, there may be something different on this stream that would require remapping assets |
| 05:24.26 | mindjuju | i should know by Thursday |
| 05:24.28 | Utah_Dave | Would it be possible to get a connection straight to the internet without firewalls as stuff? for asterisk presentation? |
| 05:25.05 | mindjuju | oh, i see what you mean. yeah Nov meeting was first meet with no firewall -- all the way open |
| 05:26.44 | Utah_Dave | ok, I'm trying to decide whether to use my production box, or bring in a small server with a sandbox system all set up |
| 05:26.58 | Utah_Dave | I'm thinking a local machine might work nicely |
| 05:27.04 | mindjuju | yeah true that |
| 05:27.18 | Utah_Dave | maybe we could have people who are listening to the stream call in to test it? |
| 05:27.21 | mindjuju | would be willing to help in any way possible |
| 05:27.33 | mindjuju | yup |
| 05:27.40 | Utah_Dave | OK, I think this could be fun. |
| 05:28.07 | mindjuju | :) |
| 05:29.22 | Utah_Dave | ~prankcall mindjuju |
| 05:29.29 | mindjuju | :) |
| 05:29.29 | Utah_Dave | dangit |
| 05:31.18 | mindjuju | utah_dave PM posted |
| 05:31.35 | Utah_Dave | just read it! |
| 05:50.21 | Utah_Dave | well, I'm off to bed |
| 05:50.26 | Utah_Dave | later, mindjuju |
| 05:51.13 | mindjuju | laterz |
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| 15:03.42 | timinator | mornin' gents |
| 15:04.27 | herlo | morning |
| 15:20.01 | timinator | I HATE IMAP!!!! |
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| 15:46.04 | timinator | thebigdog is in the house!!! |
| 15:49.27 | mindjuju | timinator, what is wrong with IMAP? |
| 15:52.36 | timinator | the whole point is that it syncs your email with the server's email |
| 15:52.45 | timinator | and I find it doesn't sync well |
| 15:52.59 | timinator | I'd rather just download the email and be done with it |
| 15:53.24 | mindjuju | i'm a POP3 kind of guy myself |
| 15:53.29 | timinator | why keep the email on the server and waste the bandwidth?!?! |
| 15:53.52 | timinator | and why bog down the server's HD unnecessarily ?? |
| 15:53.55 | timinator | me too |
| 15:54.03 | mindjuju | well, could be handy if accessing the email from remote |
| 15:54.21 | timinator | I've done IMAP on all my accounts for the last 2 yrs, and I've hated it since day 1 |
| 15:54.28 | mindjuju | heh |
| 15:54.30 | timinator | yes, that's the only benifit |
| 15:55.00 | timinator | but POP has a way to keep the last x days of email on the server too |
| 15:55.23 | timinator | so, if you're out an about, you log in and see the last 30 days of emails |
| 15:55.44 | timinator | but then it's constantly cleaning off the server when you're not out |
| 15:55.46 | mindjuju | is that POP3 or is it the email client being nice? I thought it was the email client and not POP RFC |
| 15:55.58 | timinator | oh, probably |
| 15:56.04 | timinator | ya, probably the client |
| 15:56.38 | mindjuju | well, i'd better double check, hate to give you bad info |
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| 16:00.23 | brasto | mindjuju, you pinged me yesterday? |
| 16:00.37 | brasto | actually, you whaleslapped me, but same diff |
| 16:00.42 | brasto | :) |
| 16:02.07 | brasto | timinator: I've found that using POP's setting to leave mail on the server for x days doesn't work very well. Especially if they don't tell the client to delete items from the server when removed from "Deleted Items", or whatever they use for trash |
| 16:02.30 | timinator | *shrug |
| 16:02.39 | brasto | IMAP is great for people who need access to their email from multiple computers - e.g.: students. |
| 16:02.47 | timinator | I haven't had probs... and used POP since I were a wee lad |
| 16:03.32 | brasto | I bet that's 'cuzz u b using a mac, timinator |
| 16:04.01 | timinator | perhaps |
| 16:04.04 | timinator | mac++ |
| 16:04.14 | brasto | students often use computers in various computer labs. Computers that wipe all user data ever time they reboot. These students need their email on the server. |
| 16:04.16 | mindjuju | email protocols IMAP and POP3 shouldn't act differently on different OSs |
| 16:04.26 | mindjuju | because of the RFCs |
| 16:04.47 | mindjuju | now an email client may add extra features or do things differently, but that is independent of the OS |
| 16:05.17 | mindjuju | oh, and gave you the whaleslap yesterday cause you tried to mount me... dude gross |
| 16:05.37 | brasto | mindjuju: agreed, it's the Clients that cause the problem. Outlook doesn't delete mail properly on the server when using leave mail on server for x days, and you don't remove mail from the server when deleted from the user's trash folder. |
| 16:05.45 | brasto | lol |
| 16:06.17 | brasto | that's the *nix version of mount, mindjuju, not the sick-minded version... |
| 16:06.35 | mindjuju | yeah, you can "mount" drives in winders too |
| 16:06.39 | mindjuju | but... |
| 16:06.44 | mindjuju | mount jbot |
| 16:06.50 | mindjuju | that's just weirdness |
| 16:06.55 | brasto | lol |
| 16:08.35 | mindjuju | so anyways... |
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| 16:09.16 | mindjuju | yeah, there is that advantage like timinator and I were talking, but that's about it |
| 16:09.32 | timinator | yes, that's it..... |
| 16:10.00 | timinator | but when you have a large volume of email... it looses stability |
| 16:10.20 | timinator | My ThunderBird Profile is >9GB |
| 16:10.24 | timinator | and I hate it |
| 16:11.05 | timinator | part of my prob is that I get a large amount of spam because I have several catch-all accounts |
| 16:11.21 | timinator | and I've only gotten halfway through the SpamAssasin install |
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| 16:12.15 | timinator | but IMAP should be able to handle volume, and my experience is that it doesn't |
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| 16:19.33 | mgeary | morning |
| 16:19.56 | unum | I love imap |
| 16:20.03 | unum | pop is for laptop lovers |
| 16:21.18 | brasto | timinator, part of that may be your mail server, what do you use for your imap mail? I use dovecot. I've never tested it with >9gb data, but it works better than... whatever I was using before... |
| 16:22.13 | timinator | I use dovecot |
| 16:22.41 | timinator | server held mail is much smaller than 9+ GB |
| 16:23.00 | timinator | Local Profile, with all accounts and such, is >9GB |
| 16:24.53 | wps | anyone know off the top of their head how to restore a file that as been removed (and committed) from SVN? |
| 16:26.08 | pelaofeliz | you should be able to 'svn update -r### filename', I think |
| 16:26.21 | pelaofeliz | where '###' is a revision number where the file still existed |
| 16:27.46 | brasto | wow, I never use catchalls for that reason. I get enough spam just for having 'sales@[domain]' and 'admin@[domain]'. |
| 16:29.27 | orsonj | I like catchalls (or at least a really easy to setup new aliases) |
| 16:30.08 | orsonj | anyone here ever play with seaside? (smalltalk web kit) |
| 16:30.44 | orsonj | It has a really different approach to web development. |
| 16:31.29 | orsonj | Each user's session is stored as a paused virtual machine |
| 16:33.07 | _psychic_ | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/213058895/article.pl |
| 16:33.10 | orsonj | url: http://seaside.st/ interesting podcast talking about it: http://twit.tv/floss21 |
| 16:34.28 | mindjuju | bill gates explains diff between Mac and Microsoft - http://gizmodo.com/341802/bill-gates-explains-the-difference-between-microsoft-and-apple |
| 16:36.34 | orsonj | heh, Instead of doing my pointers lab, I wrote a program that explained pointers using a very basic virtual machine. |
| 16:49.38 | mindjuju | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 16:49.41 | jbot | dataw0lf <n=jsimpson@adsl-75-14-203-206.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 23h 30m 8s ago, saying: '(even though the blu-ray was a +385 option....)'. |
| 16:58.18 | wps | pelaofeliz: how do I figure out what it's last version number was? is that possible? |
| 17:04.23 | pelaofeliz | wps: yeah, it is |
| 17:05.14 | pelaofeliz | from the directory the file used to be in, run 'svn log -v' (for verbose) |
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| 17:05.36 | pelaofeliz | that will tell you all the revisions committed in that directory, including the files changed |
| 17:06.08 | pelaofeliz | ...the output could be really big, so I'd pipe it to a file, then just search for the filename |
| 17:07.15 | wps | that worked |
| 17:07.15 | wps | thank you |
| 17:07.21 | pelaofeliz | yep |
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| 17:55.10 | cole_joplin | Hey everyone |
| 17:55.20 | cole_joplin | is mike balzotti in here anymore? |
| 17:59.22 | mindjuju | sup cole_joplin |
| 17:59.47 | cole_joplin | Hi |
| 17:59.58 | cole_joplin | Mike is coming to work for us on Monday |
| 18:01.11 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
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| 18:09.09 | mgeary | Mike Balzotti? anyone know if he's related to Mark Balzotti? |
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| 18:50.17 | timinator | drool drool: http://store.apple.com/AppleStore/WebObjects/BizCustom?qprm=78313&node=home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro&cid=CDM-US-Mac-C004848-116259&Email_PageName=6237B-SB&Email_OID=184714&cp=116259&sr=em |
| 18:52.13 | jsmith | Criminey.... that's expensive |
| 18:52.26 | jsmith | For that price, they ought to throw in a MacBook too |
| 18:52.54 | timinator | you can bump it to 32 GB of Ram |
| 18:53.33 | jsmith | Yeah, I can bump my current desktop to at least 16, for a whole lot less money |
| 18:53.44 | jsmith | timinator: Besides, if I had one of those I'd just put Linux on it anyway ;-) |
| 18:54.01 | timinator | that's crazy |
| 18:54.11 | timinator | aluminum PB? |
| 18:54.22 | timinator | wallstreet? |
| 18:54.26 | jsmith | Yup |
| 18:54.31 | jsmith | 15" |
| 18:54.40 | timinator | nice |
| 18:54.46 | jsmith | This thing has been through a lot, and keeps on ticking |
| 18:54.55 | jsmith | Not the fastest horse in the race, but it gets the job done |
| 18:55.02 | jsmith | Linux runs great on it |
| 18:55.10 | timinator | they're good machines, and they look great |
| 18:55.19 | jsmith | This one looks a little worse for the wear |
| 18:55.26 | timinator | ya |
| 18:56.36 | mindjuju | that comp costs more than i paid for my jeep |
| 18:57.21 | mindjuju | course though, with the right apps, that comp will help you make a pretty penny |
| 19:03.12 | timinator | LOL ....I just did the same thing |
| 19:04.13 | timinator | "one of these, and one of those, and 4TB of HD, and a wireless keyboard and mouse, and...." |
| 19:05.17 | timinator | this is a cool page: http://www.apple.com/macpro/design.html |
| 19:09.37 | influx^^ | flat fee* |
| 19:11.26 | PoeticIntensity | okay.... |
| 19:11.37 | PoeticIntensity | I have another CSS question regarding floats. |
| 19:12.01 | PoeticIntensity | Say I have a block 200px wide... |
| 19:12.20 | PoeticIntensity | inside that block, I have one block which is 80px wide... |
| 19:12.29 | PoeticIntensity | and another block 80px wide which is floated to the right. |
| 19:12.44 | PoeticIntensity | in FF, the two inside blocks are perfectly aligned as columns.. |
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| 19:13.10 | PoeticIntensity | in IE, the right-floated block is pushed down to the end of the first block... |
| 19:13.20 | PoeticIntensity | is there any way I can tell IE not to push the floated block down? |
| 19:14.06 | influx^^ | I think I know what you're talking about. I don't know that there is, but what I had used in the past was putting the box that should be on the left, on the right and have it float to the left. |
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| 19:14.16 | influx^^ | Been a while though, so I may be feeding you wrong info. :\ |
| 19:15.14 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 19:15.22 | PoeticIntensity | crap, crap, crap... not sure if that'll work. |
| 19:15.30 | PoeticIntensity | ugh. |
| 19:15.56 | PoeticIntensity | any insights, mgeary, wps, orsonj ? |
| 19:16.04 | PoeticIntensity | ^^^ |
| 19:16.40 | influx^^ | it's doing this in any version of ie that supports css? |
| 19:16.48 | PoeticIntensity | I've only got IE 7 |
| 19:16.51 | influx^^ | ok |
| 19:16.58 | influx^^ | pastebin the code |
| 19:17.01 | PoeticIntensity | it needs to compatible with 6 and 7. |
| 19:17.03 | PoeticIntensity | oh, man.... |
| 19:17.11 | influx^^ | too much source? |
| 19:17.13 | PoeticIntensity | the code ..... yes. |
| 19:17.22 | influx^^ | Ok |
| 19:17.31 | influx^^ | I'll put something together. |
| 19:17.38 | influx^^ | just a minute while i boot up windows |
| 19:19.09 | influx^^ | ok, loading ie and ff |
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| 19:25.07 | influx^^ | ok |
| 19:25.16 | influx^^ | PoeticIntensity: http://pastebin.ca/847048 |
| 19:25.21 | influx^^ | That's what I was talking about. |
| 19:30.33 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, man.. talkin' to the boss now. |
| 19:30.37 | PoeticIntensity | I'll get at the code in a sec. |
| 19:32.48 | influx^^ | k |
| 19:43.34 | PoeticIntensity | influx^^, I can't copy / paste the code without grabbing all the stupid line numbers... |
| 19:43.38 | PoeticIntensity | does that code work in IE? |
| 19:43.45 | influx^^ | It does for me. |
| 19:43.49 | influx^^ | Hold on a minute. |
| 19:44.18 | influx^^ | Damn post is expired. |
| 19:44.21 | influx^^ | ach, sorry |
| 19:44.28 | PoeticIntensity | rafb.net work great |
| 19:45.09 | influx^^ | I'll upload the txt |
| 19:45.09 | PoeticIntensity | works great. |
| 19:45.09 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 19:45.09 | pelaofeliz | there's a link at the right that says 'raw' |
| 19:45.09 | PoeticIntensity | bingo |
| 19:45.09 | PoeticIntensity | thanks |
| 19:47.06 | PoeticIntensity | k, influx^^ I got it. |
| 19:47.08 | PoeticIntensity | and it works... |
| 19:47.19 | PoeticIntensity | the example I gave was an extremely watered down version of the problem I'm having... |
| 19:47.33 | PoeticIntensity | to illustrate, change the width to both blocks to 99 |
| 19:47.39 | PoeticIntensity | (99 + 99 < 200) |
| 19:47.52 | PoeticIntensity | and IE will push the left one down. |
| 19:47.52 | influx^^ | Ohhhhh. |
| 19:48.00 | influx^^ | I know what you're talking about. |
| 19:48.04 | PoeticIntensity | so.... |
| 19:48.15 | PoeticIntensity | my question is : is there *any* way to keep it from doing this? |
| 19:48.27 | PoeticIntensity | (and still float the 2nd block right) |
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| 19:49.05 | PoeticIntensity | wb beandog |
| 19:49.20 | influx^^ | mmm... maybe |
| 19:49.22 | influx^^ | let me try something |
| 19:49.23 | beandog | tanks |
| 19:49.29 | influx^^ | aloha beandog |
| 19:49.57 | beandog | que talar |
| 19:53.50 | influx^^ | I cant think of a way to keep that from happening withou resorting to absolute positioning, right now. |
| 19:54.22 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I'm googling like mad... |
| 19:54.28 | PoeticIntensity | seems like others have experienced the same problem. |
| 19:59.40 | influx^^ | :\ |
| 19:59.52 | influx^^ | I've got to get to work now. :( |
| 19:59.56 | influx^^ | Let me know if you find something. |
| 20:01.51 | PoeticIntensity | will do |
| 20:03.17 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you still around? |
| 20:04.06 | mgeary | ~fernpee |
| 20:04.07 | jbot | ACTION whistles for BigDrink, the 180-lb Labrador Retriever with the 40-gallon bladder, to relieve himself on that fern over there in the corner... |
| 20:23.39 | thebigdog | for timinator |
| 20:23.51 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:31.35 | PoeticIntensity | influx^^, I figured it out - but sadly, it wasn't the problem I thought it was... |
| 20:31.50 | PoeticIntensity | It was misplacing divs (which should have been outside the container) inside the container... |
| 20:31.51 | PoeticIntensity | so... |
| 20:32.07 | PoeticIntensity | the whole problem I thought was the problem, really was a non-issue. |
| 20:39.57 | orsonj | glad to hear it. (just caught up on backlog) |
| 20:42.46 | influx^^ | misplacing divs? |
| 20:42.56 | influx^^ | ah |
| 20:43.12 | influx^^ | What was supposed to be? |
| 20:49.55 | PoeticIntensity | okay... next CSS question: |
| 20:50.25 | PoeticIntensity | influx^^, there was a div at the bottom which was *way* too wide to fit - somehow FF made it work anyway... while IE couldn't. |
| 20:50.29 | PoeticIntensity | okay... |
| 20:50.43 | PoeticIntensity | do floating columns push divs down as they expand? |
| 20:50.46 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 20:50.47 | influx^^ | No. |
| 20:50.51 | PoeticIntensity | suck. |
| 20:51.01 | PoeticIntensity | this is borderline insane... |
| 20:51.07 | influx^^ | place a div that clears |
| 20:51.15 | PoeticIntensity | OH! |
| 20:51.20 | PoeticIntensity | I remember reading about that.. |
| 20:51.21 | influx^^ | div#potatoes { clear: both; } |
| 20:51.24 | PoeticIntensity | didn't make much sense. |
| 20:51.28 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 20:51.38 | PoeticIntensity | I'll try that.. I bet that'll work. |
| 20:51.50 | PoeticIntensity | it's slightly absurd. |
| 20:51.54 | influx^^ | Took getting used to. |
| 20:51.58 | influx^^ | But still annoying.. |
| 20:52.02 | orsonj | yep, float is good for what it was intended for, but not for layout. |
| 20:52.08 | influx^^ | Definitely. |
| 20:52.26 | PoeticIntensity | bingo, influx^^ |
| 20:52.30 | PoeticIntensity | clearing it worked 100% |
| 20:52.37 | influx^^ | :) |
| 20:53.35 | PoeticIntensity | so are you a designer, influx^^ ? |
| 20:53.45 | influx^^ | Yeah. |
| 20:53.48 | PoeticIntensity | I see.... |
| 20:53.56 | PoeticIntensity | I started in design, and then discovered PHP. |
| 20:53.56 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:54.02 | influx^^ | Heh. That's kind of what I'm doing. |
| 20:54.03 | PoeticIntensity | and databases. |
| 20:54.20 | PoeticIntensity | so... I'm much more into dev than design, but I still enjoy seeing if I can make CSS do what I need it to. |
| 20:54.22 | influx^^ | Though I'll only do PHP as much as I intend to right now until I find someone I can work with. |
| 20:54.31 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 20:54.41 | PoeticIntensity | at any rate, I appreciate your help immensely. |
| 20:54.57 | influx^^ | No problem. I'm glad I can help since you all have helped me out with my PHP foibles. |
| 20:55.40 | PoeticIntensity | ^5 influx^^ |
| 20:55.40 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:57.50 | influx^^ | ^5 |
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| 21:19.00 | macnewbold | ~greet beandog |
| 21:19.01 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on beandog |
| 21:19.21 | beandog | holas |
| 21:19.26 | beandog | ooh, oatmeal |
| 21:19.26 | beandog | I can has more? |
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| 21:48.45 | mindjuju | ~yow |
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| 21:56.08 | cycokilr | oh yeah.. |
| 22:30.57 | beandog | quiet today. |
| 22:31.04 | beandog | ~pants |
| 22:31.04 | jbot | Allows an individual to connect an internal LAN to the Internet.. URL: http://www.vu.union.edu/~pants/ |
| 22:31.31 | mgeary | and here i thought they were for keeping my bottom covered |
| 22:33.55 | mgeary | so here's a nifty trick: |
| 22:34.18 | mgeary | know how if you have a single checkbox if it's not checked, *nothing* gets sent to the server? |
| 22:34.56 | mgeary | well, just put a <input type='hidden' name='checkbox_name' value=''> before the checkbox. That way, if the checkbox IS checked, it will override the hidden field, but if not, the empty hidden value will get submitted |
| 22:35.08 | mgeary | badda-bing |
| 22:37.01 | unum | I do everything with ajax so I end up grabbing the checkbox values |
| 22:37.35 | beandog | Hmm, that is interesting. |
| 22:37.54 | beandog | sneaky. |
| 22:38.42 | mgeary | my form generation is all abstracted anyway, so with one small fix, i can eliminate the need for constant special checking |
| 22:54.54 | beandog | thats the way to do it |
| 22:58.44 | timinator | rocks |
| 22:59.31 | mgeary | so...... |
| 22:59.46 | mgeary | remember how i was saying we *just* bought a new Xserve? |
| 23:00.12 | mgeary | guess what Apple started shipping *today*? |
| 23:00.25 | mgeary | an Xserve with 2x the RAM and 2x the processors |
| 23:00.28 | mgeary | same prie |
| 23:00.29 | mgeary | price |
| 23:01.20 | _psychic_ | you should be used to apple price cuts by now mgeary |
| 23:01.42 | mgeary | well, here's the thing |
| 23:01.53 | mgeary | Apple is sending me a RMA, and refunding the card |
| 23:02.07 | mgeary | and i'm placing a new order today for the big brother |
| 23:02.13 | mgeary | that's pretty good service, IMO |
| 23:02.22 | _psychic_ | yeah they do have good cust. service |
| 23:02.33 | jsmith | mgeary: Lucky! |
| 23:02.49 | SunSparc | _psychic_: amen to that |
| 23:03.40 | SunSparc | The Mac Pro now comes with 8 cores standard. |
| 23:04.27 | fungus | Eeek, Apple still gouges on RAM upgrades. |
| 23:04.34 | mgeary | oh yes |
| 23:04.40 | SunSparc | Thank goodness for crucial.com |
| 23:04.46 | mgeary | $32k for 32gigs, if i recall correctly |
| 23:04.48 | fungus | yes, totally |
| 23:05.05 | fungus | crucial++ |
| 23:05.17 | mgeary | however, the RAM i just ordered is a slower speed :/ |
| 23:06.18 | wps | that Scissor Sisters rock |
| 23:06.24 | wps | so does loads of RAM |
| 23:06.46 | fungus | lol, agreed |
| 23:06.52 | fungus | on both counts |
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| 23:11.24 | mgeary | so, im going to upgrade from the single 4-core to the dual 4-core machine |
| 23:11.47 | mgeary | seems to me that for web/DB serving there would be a clear performance increase, no? |
| 23:11.53 | SunSparc | Is everyone green? http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail186.html |
| 23:12.21 | SunSparc | mgeary: Depends on how much you are serving. ;) |
| 23:12.29 | beandog | heh |
| 23:12.37 | beandog | xscreensaver has a BSOD saver :) |
| 23:13.35 | SunSparc | One of my co-workers put that on his Windows machine. Fitting. |
| 23:13.38 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 23:25.10 | SunSparc | Warning: Politician Crying -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVlwH7-05Fk |
| 23:25.49 | mgeary | http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/72961/ |
| 23:25.50 | thebigdog | i laughed at that |
| 23:28.58 | _psychic_ | why is it funny? |
| 23:35.15 | thebigdog | i cant stand her and it doesn't seem genuine to me |
| 23:36.57 | SunSparc | It is hard to tell. I do not trust her. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt and think she is a good person, but all I have to go off of is what I have seen of her in the media. |
| 23:38.07 | unum | she's too corporate for me |
| 23:38.32 | thebigdog | i have read her site and the issues she is supporting...i just dont feel that she is capable of doing anything along those lines |
| 23:38.44 | thebigdog | not the issues she supports are pretty important to me |
| 23:38.49 | unum | I agree with stallman actually |
| 23:38.49 | unum | which scares me |
| 23:38.49 | unum | though I voted richardson |
| 23:38.51 | thebigdog | but i dont see her doing anything |
| 23:39.04 | mgeary | i don't really have a problem with her, but if she gets elected, it'll just be like GWB in reverse: half the country hates her and won't let anything actually get done. So she's too polarizing to get my vote |
| 23:39.46 | mgeary | anyway, gotta head out |
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| 23:39.49 | _psychic_ | I'm almost to the point where I'll support a democratic candidate because I think big spending, and socialistic domestic policy is better than the warmongering SOB we have in there now |
| 23:40.06 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:40.19 | unum | not voting ron paul? |
| 23:40.25 | _psychic_ | and most the republican candidates are shaping up like GW |
| 23:40.44 | unum | http://www.stallman.org/ron-paul.html |
| 23:40.49 | _psychic_ | unum: I don't know if I'll get the chance to vote for him for president |
| 23:40.53 | _psychic_ | but I really want to |
| 23:41.13 | thebigdog | idont really have any fav |
| 23:41.20 | unum | my friend reregistred as a republican so she could vote for him |
| 23:41.26 | unum | in the primary |
| 23:42.06 | thebigdog | im voting for DH |
| 23:42.06 | thebigdog | just cause his name rocks |
| 23:42.06 | _psychic_ | I don't think stallman understands RP |
| 23:42.06 | _psychic_ | duncan? |
| 23:42.06 | unum | I think he does |
| 23:42.10 | thebigdog | duncan hunter |
| 23:42.14 | _psychic_ | eliminating income tax hurts the poor? |
| 23:42.25 | _psychic_ | not seeing that. |
| 23:42.31 | unum | it depends on which tax you switch |
| 23:42.40 | _psychic_ | why do you need to switch? |
| 23:42.44 | unum | I'm not sure I agree with that statement but there a lot of people who do |
| 23:43.32 | thebigdog | http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/ |
| 23:43.37 | thebigdog | i love the money sections on each |
| 23:44.07 | thebigdog | extremely interesting |
| 23:44.14 | unum | because the federal goverment still needs money |
| 23:44.14 | _psychic_ | no it doesn't |
| 23:44.14 | _psychic_ | it needs to spend less |
| 23:44.14 | _psychic_ | a lot less |
| 23:44.15 | unum | 95% less? |
| 23:44.15 | _psychic_ | if we had no income tax, we'd have our revenue 10 years ago |
| 23:44.15 | _psychic_ | income tax is definitely not 95% of the country's income |
| 23:44.35 | _psychic_ | If you think the government does a fantastic job at most everything, maybe I'm wrong. :) |
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| 23:45.41 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:45.44 | thebigdog | heavens no |
| 23:45.58 | unum | ok 80% |
| 23:46.20 | _psychic_ | are you just guessing? |
| 23:46.23 | unum | nope |
| 23:46.31 | unum | http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/federal_govt_finances_employment/federal_budgetreceipts_outlays_and_debt.html |
| 23:46.41 | unum | click on 461 |
| 23:46.59 | unum | I did include social security as part of income tax |
| 23:47.12 | unum | because I understand he want to eliminate that |
| 23:50.29 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 23:50.29 | jbot | ACTION calls Leland to rough up thebigdog |
| 23:50.52 | _psychic_ | it's going to eliminate itself |
| 23:50.52 | unum | how ever you want to view it, that's 80% of the federal government |
| 23:50.52 | unum | income |
| 23:50.52 | _psychic_ | I don't see 80% |
| 23:50.53 | SunSparc | And 80% of government activities are unnecessary or should be privatized. |
| 23:51.26 | unum | ya I can run my own studies to see if a drug is safe. I have enough money to hirer a thousand people to test it.... |
| 23:51.55 | SunSparc | Good for you, most people don't, but corporations do. |
| 23:52.33 | unum | so I should trust the company that sales me the drug to say it's safe? |
| 23:53.13 | mindjuju | you trust the FDA? |
| 23:53.13 | SunSparc | If there is a good third party standards organization that deems them trustable. |
| 23:53.26 | unum | I trust the FDA more than pfizer |
| 23:53.40 | mindjuju | psh, pfizer pays the FDA |
| 23:53.53 | unum | the current system is not the best |
| 23:54.04 | unum | but there are historical reasons the current systems exist |
| 23:54.17 | _psychic_ | that's no reason to continue them |
| 23:54.28 | SunSparc | They exist because we allow them to. |
| 23:54.29 | mindjuju | yeah, but those reasons are compromised by corruption |
| 23:54.37 | _psychic_ | the government is the poster child for inefficiency |
| 23:54.45 | unum | but them not being perfect is no reason to abolish them and go back to a worse system |
| 23:54.54 | unum | _psychic_: appantly you don't have comcast |
| 23:55.03 | _psychic_ | unum: ? |
| 23:55.06 | mindjuju | well, i'd better back out gents before I get going, I have a new years resolution to try not to argue too much in uphpu |
| 23:55.14 | mindjuju | offend less people, that sort of thing |
| 23:55.20 | unum | I have never dealt with a more incompetent agency than comcast |
| 23:55.22 | _psychic_ | apparently you haven't dealt with FEMA, the TSA, or any other number of retarded government agencies |
| 23:55.31 | unum | they are worse than any goverment system I Have dealt with |
| 23:55.36 | unum | I've dealt with tsa |
| 23:55.39 | SunSparc | unum: apparently you do not have Qwest. |
| 23:55.44 | unum | I've dealt with fema |
| 23:55.51 | _psychic_ | yes but with Comcast you just quit with them!! It's not the law to use comcast! |
| 23:55.55 | unum | SunSparc: nope and I never had had them |
| 23:55.59 | _psychic_ | You can't do that with taxed dollars! |
| 23:56.05 | unum | _psychic_: then what would I do for internet? |
| 23:56.06 | _psychic_ | they just take it from you a squander it! |
| 23:56.11 | SunSparc | unum: Bad as ComCast, I have had them both |
| 23:56.18 | unum | I can't be competive in my industry with out interent |
| 23:56.29 | unum | so I need internet |
| 23:56.31 | mindjuju | dang it, where's the bigdog |
| 23:56.38 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 23:56.38 | jbot | ACTION calls Tim to find thebigdog |
| 23:56.45 | _psychic_ | unum: comcast is your only option? |
| 23:56.47 | _psychic_ | really? |
| 23:56.58 | unum | comcast or quest |
| 23:57.00 | _psychic_ | The government isn't our one-stop shop or only option. |
| 23:57.01 | unum | both of which suck |
| 23:57.04 | thebigdog | here |
| 23:57.07 | thebigdog | what you need mindjuju |
| 23:57.17 | mindjuju | don't know you were pinging me a while ago |
| 23:57.24 | SunSparc | unum: Qwest is fine, as long as I do not have to contact them or have them change anything. |
| 23:57.29 | mindjuju | was returning call, though i'm afraid cause i think i know what you are going to say |
| 23:57.33 | thebigdog | mindjuju, your to slow |
| 23:57.46 | mindjuju | is it about Jan presentation? |
| 23:57.48 | unum | got to go, I've got a date tonight |
| 23:57.53 | thebigdog | mindjuju, yeah |
| 23:58.00 | mindjuju | k, send it to me in a PM |
| 23:58.13 | thebigdog | is dataw0lf presenting? |
| 23:58.53 | mindjuju | thebigdog PM sent |