| 00:41.34 | orsonj | odd, grc.com seems to be down. |
| 00:43.27 | orsonj | actually, maybe it is just really slow |
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| 10:50.38 | beandog | I cant sleep. |
| 10:52.45 | herlo | beandog: hi |
| 10:52.57 | beandog | awake! |
| 10:52.59 | beandog | whats up herlo |
| 10:53.03 | beandog | I havent fallen asleep yet |
| 10:53.06 | beandog | Im screwd. |
| 10:53.28 | herlo | yup |
| 10:53.40 | beandog | what you doing |
| 10:53.47 | beandog | are you in Paraguay this week? |
| 10:53.49 | herlo | I'm in Cinci, gettgin ready to catch an airplane and head to Raleigh to teach a class this morning |
| 10:54.00 | herlo | Paraguay would be nice though |
| 10:54.34 | beandog | whens your flight? |
| 10:54.50 | herlo | 7:50 EST |
| 10:55.00 | herlo | I'm hopping in the shower in about 5mins |
| 10:55.09 | herlo | shuttle leaves at 6:30 |
| 10:55.09 | beandog | oh |
| 10:55.12 | influx^^ | good morning |
| 10:55.17 | beandog | oh yah, EST |
| 10:55.19 | herlo | or 4:30 MST |
| 10:55.20 | beandog | sucks to be you. |
| 10:55.32 | herlo | beandog: its not too bad, I get to bed early is all |
| 10:55.33 | influx^^ | 3:55 MST |
| 10:55.46 | herlo | influx^^: that is the current time |
| 10:55.50 | influx^^ | Yes. |
| 10:56.18 | influx^^ | heh. |
| 10:56.36 | influx^^ | Have either of you worked with mambo before? |
| 10:57.38 | herlo | yeah, a little |
| 11:08.56 | influx^^ | K. I want to create an e-mail form for a site that's using mambo, but php's mail function doesn't seem to work. |
| 11:09.02 | influx^^ | Any idea why that might be? |
| 11:15.14 | herlo | influx^^: windows or *nix? |
| 11:25.32 | influx^^ | mmm.... |
| 11:25.39 | influx^^ | I imagine nix. |
| 11:25.42 | influx^^ | let me check |
| 11:25.53 | influx^^ | Yep. Linux. |
| 11:44.59 | influx^^ | going to bed. msg me anything you think of |
| 12:37.42 | herlo | sendmail is the service php calls |
| 12:37.54 | herlo | it could be configured |
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| 15:31.30 | timinator | morning everyone |
| 15:33.14 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
| 15:33.24 | timinator | nada |
| 15:33.27 | timinator | just workin' |
| 15:33.29 | timinator | u? |
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| 15:55.47 | orsonj | mornin1 |
| 15:55.55 | orsonj | s/1/'/ |
| 15:56.28 | orsonj | my back keeps reminding me that I shoveled the driveway this morning, but I already know that. |
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| 16:10.18 | mgeary | morning |
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| 16:15.48 | brasto | cool, I found a good one for anyone from the 80s: |
| 16:15.53 | brasto | ~mount mindjuju |
| 16:15.54 | jbot | ACTION zaps mindjuju into a computer, mounts mindjuju into the file system, and renames mindjuju to 'Tron'. |
| 16:16.29 | orsonj | heh |
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| 16:54.54 | timinator | LOL, that one's funny |
| 16:55.36 | mgeary | so... pursuant to our discussion last week, i'd like to play around with getting a proxy server set up. Do i assume correctly that a proxy server would need to have 2 NIC cards? One for the internal network (we'd plug our switch into it), and one to connect to our DLS router? |
| 16:56.34 | dataw0lf | yes. theoretically you could just set it as your gateway and do routing through the same NIC, but it's not advisable. |
| 16:57.20 | mgeary | what would the consequences of that be? |
| 16:57.41 | mgeary | i guess people could just set the gateway to be the router directly, thus bypassing the proxy server |
| 16:57.52 | mgeary | (our current config) |
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| 16:59.36 | mgeary | next question: how beefy would such a machine need to be, if all it was doing was acting as a proxy server? i've got several old 450 MHz G4 Macs lying around. I'm thinking that one of them could do the job nicely, even though they're too slow for production work these days. |
| 17:00.58 | mgeary | final(?) question: My inclination would be to use squid as the proxy server. Do i understand correctly that it could handle all my proxying needs (shutting out some domains/ports altogether, some on a per-internal-ip basis, etc.)? |
| 17:04.29 | mindjuju | mgeary, if you need a pci nic i have a spare 10/100 |
| 17:05.19 | mgeary | i could presumably salvage one from one of our other machines. but i don't know offhand if the "native" NIC is soldered to the motherboard on a G4. I think it might be |
| 17:10.11 | orsonj | I don't think you need much horsepower for a proxy, and yes double nics are a security matter, not a feasability matter. |
| 17:11.44 | orsonj | Are you doing content filtering, or just port/ip filtering? I don't remember the details from before. |
| 17:13.15 | mindjuju | he needs both |
| 17:13.26 | orsonj | If you aren't doing content filtering, you can skip squid altogether and just have a fancy iptables setup. |
| 17:13.43 | mindjuju | dude is visiting some kind of forum |
| 17:13.55 | mindjuju | and wasting time |
| 17:14.12 | orsonj | oh, yeah. that jogged my memory |
| 17:14.59 | orsonj | Yeah, I think squid can handle it. Just a matter of figuring squid out. |
| 17:15.42 | dataw0lf | got a new laptop |
| 17:15.49 | thebigdog | gratz |
| 17:15.49 | mindjuju | what kind? |
| 17:16.04 | thebigdog | squid can do it |
| 17:16.06 | dataw0lf | HP |
| 17:16.12 | orsonj | As of yet, I have yet to try anything that requires all the functionality of squid. Other proxies have worked. and are easier to work with. |
| 17:16.15 | dataw0lf | 15.4", core 2 duo t7500 (2.2 ghz), 3 gigs of RAM, 256mb nvidia geforce 8400M, wireless a/g/n, 250 gig 5400 RPM SATA HD, blu-ray rom + supermulti dvd+ r/rw |
| 17:16.28 | mgeary | i don't need *content* filtering, just IP/port |
| 17:16.29 | dataw0lf | beat that, MBP! |
| 17:16.44 | mgeary | well, in some cases |
| 17:16.45 | thebigdog | mgeary then dont use squid |
| 17:16.55 | mindjuju | dataw0lf that's awesome! |
| 17:17.06 | mindjuju | my thinkpad isn't nearly that beefy |
| 17:17.12 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, that sounds nice |
| 17:17.15 | mindjuju | but it holds up well |
| 17:17.35 | dataw0lf | yea, I don't have a blu-ray dvd to test my drive out and see how it works, but everything else is uber spiffy. |
| 17:17.38 | mgeary | my MPB doesn't have blu-ray, or a 250GB HD, but i've got 4GB RAM and the C2D 2.2 Ghz chip |
| 17:17.57 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:18.13 | thebigdog | i would love to get a new laptop |
| 17:18.44 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Nah, I was in the market and the company offered to just buy me one |
| 17:18.52 | dataw0lf | it was between this and an MBP ;-) |
| 17:19.09 | mgeary | awwww, dw.... |
| 17:19.16 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:19.21 | dataw0lf | mgeary: I opted out of 4 gigs of RAM for the blu-ray drive |
| 17:19.22 | mindjuju | funny |
| 17:19.33 | dataw0lf | (even though the blu-ray was a +385 option....) |
| 17:20.39 | mindjuju | curious, i thought crucial laptop memory was still being made in lehi |
| 17:21.16 | mgeary | it's not for a laptop, fwiw |
| 17:21.24 | mgeary | it's for an Xserve |
| 17:21.27 | mgeary | might make a diff |
| 17:23.04 | mgeary | for the record, it does appear that NICs are built-in to the motherboard on G4s |
| 17:23.21 | mgeary | but rather than take you up on your offer, mindjuju, i'll just pop over to EBC at lunch at nab one |
| 17:23.29 | mindjuju | k |
| 17:23.33 | mgeary | i can't imagine a 10/100 NIC costs more than a few bucks these days |
| 17:23.43 | mindjuju | yeah true that |
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| 17:24.01 | mindjuju | hey, while you're down there can you price a USB 2 PCI card |
| 17:24.08 | mgeary | sure |
| 17:24.31 | mindjuju | thx, my file server has USB 1, things would be cooler if it were 2 |
| 17:24.40 | mgeary | indeed |
| 17:25.02 | mindjuju | brb |
| 17:25.47 | mgeary | Zonet 10/100 NIC PCI: $8.00 |
| 17:29.42 | mgeary | i don't see any PCI USB cards |
| 17:29.51 | mgeary | http://www.ebccomputers.com/index.php?op=pub_display_parts |
| 17:31.36 | beandog | pci usb? |
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| 17:32.22 | mgeary | so, if i didn't use squid, how would i set up this proxy machine? If i can configure it without the second NIC, do i mess around with IPFW? or...? |
| 17:32.31 | beandog | Ive got a netgear usb nic, it works great. |
| 17:35.29 | orsonj | If you are doing iptables, a second nic would be easier to configure. |
| 17:35.54 | mgeary | OS X doesn't have iptables (natively). I believe ipfw is the counterpart |
| 17:36.01 | mgeary | but i've only ever used that as a firewall |
| 17:36.29 | orsonj | Right, I didn't realize you were using a mac. |
| 17:36.39 | mgeary | hey, it's me we're talking about here |
| 17:37.04 | orsonj | I don't have my os-person table map out |
| 17:37.18 | mgeary | ah, well, i guess we can forgive you |
| 17:37.44 | mgeary | so is squid fairly complex, then? |
| 17:38.05 | orsonj | I don't think it is quite as bad as sendmail. |
| 17:38.17 | mgeary | ugh. that bad, eh? |
| 17:39.06 | orsonj | I don't know for sure, I haven't actually setup squid before. I just know it does a _ton_ of stuff. |
| 17:43.49 | orsonj | Here's my high level grand master plan for a single nic setup (details to be filled in by the minions) |
| 17:43.53 | orsonj | Proxy is setup to forward stuff back and forth from router's ip to everywhere else. |
| 17:43.56 | orsonj | The router is setup to only allow traffic from the firewall box. |
| 17:43.59 | orsonj | Dhcp or everyone's computer is configured to use the firewall box as the default gateway. |
| 17:44.21 | orsonj | proxy == firewall box |
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| 18:39.56 | mindjuju | L-O-L-A... lola! |
| 19:09.58 | thebigdog | mgeary, all you need is an http proxy no? |
| 19:10.21 | mgeary | that'd be a good 1st step |
| 19:10.37 | mgeary | but i may need to regulate IRC traffic too |
| 19:11.02 | thebigdog | that should be easy enough |
| 19:11.15 | mgeary | using which tool/s? |
| 19:11.15 | thebigdog | dont you have a router now though for your internet traffic? |
| 19:11.22 | thebigdog | what do you currently have in place? |
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| 19:11.47 | mgeary | we have a switch hooked up to a Cisco 678 DLS router |
| 19:12.20 | thebigdog | what is your plan currently? |
| 19:12.50 | mgeary | to set a proxy server with 2 NICs between the switch and the router |
| 19:14.51 | thebigdog | squid and ipfw then |
| 19:14.55 | thebigdog | squid for http |
| 19:15.03 | thebigdog | for proxy |
| 19:15.17 | thebigdog | squidGuard for blocking |
| 19:16.18 | thebigdog | dont skimp on nics |
| 19:19.55 | fungus | Maybe you should consider a firewall/proxy specific distro, with an easy to manage web interface. |
| 19:20.07 | fungus | pfsense, smoothwall, m0n0wall |
| 19:20.37 | mindjuju | i've heard good things about smoothwall |
| 19:20.54 | thebigdog | shorewall |
| 19:21.07 | beandog | just get a router with openwrt |
| 19:21.12 | beandog | :D |
| 19:21.12 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:21.34 | fungus | That is really cool. Earn lots of geek points for that. |
| 19:21.54 | thebigdog | im not sure you need a proxy though |
| 19:21.57 | thebigdog | how many users you have? |
| 19:22.35 | thebigdog | i have used shorewall with great success not sure on smoothwall |
| 19:22.50 | thebigdog | get 4 nics too |
| 19:22.55 | thebigdog | then you are uber c00l |
| 19:22.57 | beandog | Ive got it on my router at home, its great. |
| 19:23.01 | fungus | I thought shorewall was just an iptables interface, not a complete distro |
| 19:23.08 | mindjuju | 4 nics? |
| 19:23.12 | beandog | nothing like being able to ssh into your router to really brick it good. |
| 19:23.25 | thebigdog | shorewall is just a tool on top of iptables/netfilter |
| 19:23.57 | thebigdog | put in as many nics as you can |
| 19:23.58 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:24.01 | fungus | Ahh, smoothwall and the others are complete distros packaged for firewall/proxy stuff. |
| 19:24.06 | thebigdog | oh |
| 19:24.21 | mgeary | we've got < 10 users |
| 19:24.41 | thebigdog | no need for proxy imho |
| 19:24.58 | beandog | just get a whiffle bat |
| 19:25.01 | mgeary | hehehe |
| 19:25.03 | fungus | Unless you want to do some filtering |
| 19:25.19 | mgeary | well, i'm also always looking for something new to learn. that's kind of another reason |
| 19:25.20 | thebigdog | or caching |
| 19:25.35 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:25.38 | thebigdog | the geek factor |
| 19:25.41 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:25.43 | mgeary | :D |
| 19:26.00 | beandog | in other words, he wants to kill time |
| 19:26.04 | mgeary | hah |
| 19:26.07 | thebigdog | yep |
| 19:26.14 | mgeary | but, if you weren't thinking of the whiffle bat approach, thebigdog, when you said "no need for proxy" then, what were you thinking? |
| 19:26.28 | thebigdog | firewall/blocking |
| 19:26.37 | thebigdog | cause it sounds like 1 person is not working |
| 19:26.44 | thebigdog | which sounds more like an hr issue |
| 19:26.45 | mgeary | firewall where? |
| 19:27.01 | mgeary | mindjuju: see above "want to know how" comment :) |
| 19:27.06 | mindjuju | ah |
| 19:27.32 | mindjuju | missed that comment, and truly none of my bidness |
| 19:27.44 | mgeary | no, it's a valid point |
| 19:27.52 | mgeary | but one i'm choosing to overlook at the moment |
| 19:28.06 | mgeary | employer's prerogative, you know ;) |
| 19:28.36 | orsonj | sometimes it is a better investment to reshape behavior than to find someone better. |
| 19:28.43 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:28.48 | orsonj | but sometimes not |
| 19:28.50 | mgeary | assuming that the reshaping efforts are successful |
| 19:29.17 | mgeary | if you can help someone gain self-discipline, you're doing them a favor for the rest of their life |
| 19:29.19 | orsonj | besides that, doesn't everyone want to build their own proxy |
| 19:29.34 | mgeary | anyway, thebigdog if i just did a firewall/blocking, i'd still have to inject a machine between the switch and the router, no? |
| 19:29.44 | thebigdog | correct |
| 19:29.58 | fungus | If you just "want to know", you could just log all URL requests without inserting a firewall/proxy into the mix |
| 19:30.08 | unum | I use a proxy te get around the company firewall.... |
| 19:30.11 | thebigdog | basically im saying you would not need to install squid/squidGuard if you dont need proxy/filtering |
| 19:30.15 | unum | and let everyone else in the office use it |
| 19:30.34 | fungus | Just insert a sniffer. |
| 19:30.41 | herlo | I just use ssh -L or ssh -D |
| 19:30.43 | mindjuju | unum, how do you get around with a proxy? |
| 19:30.46 | mgeary | fungus: we already "know" |
| 19:31.07 | mindjuju | is the proxy on a public IP? |
| 19:31.13 | unum | mindjuju: an ssh tunnel to my server at home, which has the proxy on it |
| 19:31.16 | thebigdog | herlo how was the burrito? |
| 19:31.21 | mindjuju | ah, gotcha |
| 19:31.23 | herlo | thebigdog: good |
| 19:31.26 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:31.28 | herlo | thebigdog: yours? |
| 19:31.30 | herlo | :) |
| 19:31.40 | thebigdog | wife partook of it |
| 19:31.45 | mindjuju | oh yeah, talking about burritos |
| 19:31.46 | unum | we had a couple guys using tor, but I think that got noticed by the fortinet box |
| 19:31.46 | herlo | oh, nice |
| 19:31.55 | mindjuju | ~whaleslap brasto |
| 19:31.55 | jbot | ACTION beats brasto upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:31.57 | herlo | tor is too slow anyway |
| 19:32.03 | unum | ya |
| 19:32.03 | fungus | unum: do you work at SOS Staffing??? |
| 19:32.13 | unum | fungus: maybe, why? |
| 19:32.17 | fungus | Aha, it was you! |
| 19:32.28 | unum | actually no I don't work for them |
| 19:32.34 | unum | I'm just messing with your head |
| 19:32.43 | mgeary | hahahahaha |
| 19:32.56 | unum | eventually I set up autossh because the manager wanted to use my proxy while I was gone |
| 19:32.58 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 19:33.13 | beandog | lol |
| 19:33.27 | fungus | lol, because of you I have been tasked to figure out how to block Tor on the corporate firewall. |
| 19:33.50 | unum | it's to slow anyways |
| 19:33.59 | fungus | Yeah. |
| 19:34.18 | unum | I don't know if there is a way to stop an ssh tunnel |
| 19:34.25 | fungus | Keep this hush hush, but ssh -D is really easy to use |
| 19:34.44 | fungus | and we won't be blocking ssh connections |
| 19:35.21 | fungus | ;) |
| 19:35.39 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 19:38.57 | thebigdog | you can block ssh connections |
| 19:39.03 | thebigdog | drop them after a few minutes |
| 19:39.04 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:40.20 | beandog | BOFH |
| 19:40.33 | mindjuju | ~stf bofh |
| 19:40.39 | mindjuju | ~wtf bofh |
| 19:41.23 | fungus | nah, I am generally not that mean, unless they cause me more work. |
| 19:42.01 | mindjuju | it's funny to see the cat and the mouse in the same room talking freely |
| 19:42.27 | fungus | lol |
| 19:42.39 | herlo | ssh -D rocks |
| 19:44.43 | unum | I really think that sort of stuff should be a management problem, not an it problem |
| 19:45.07 | fungus | Agreed, but sometimes management gets lazy. |
| 19:45.09 | unum | if the person gets his/her work done and isn't bothering anyone else, I don't care what they do on the internet |
| 19:45.20 | unum | call it a perk and cut their pay :) |
| 19:45.44 | unum | we have a really good manager here |
| 19:45.52 | unum | not sure about our other locations.... |
| 19:45.55 | fungus | That's how I feel, until people kill an inter-office connection. *cough* Robert Merrill *cough* |
| 19:46.09 | fungus | :) |
| 19:46.09 | mindjuju | did he really? |
| 19:46.21 | beandog | dissension in the ranks |
| 19:46.23 | fungus | Yup |
| 19:46.49 | fungus | He left his Mozy online backup running, and it saturated the link between his office and here. |
| 19:47.00 | mindjuju | yuck |
| 19:47.12 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 19:55.42 | thebigdog | im here though |
| 19:59.12 | mindjuju | thx, but was going to ask him about January meet |
| 20:05.02 | thebigdog | hehe |
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| 20:37.06 | SunSparc | Has anyone seen a flikr gallery on a personal web site? In other words, has anyone taken the flickr api and created something like Gallery2 that can be installed and used on a server that is not on flickr but uses a flickr account, of course. |
| 20:38.40 | orsonj | hmmm, haven't seen that myself, but sounds like a great idea. |
| 20:42.56 | SunSparc | Yeah, it does. :) |
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| 21:05.45 | pelaofeliz | Speaking of job openings, we're hiring at Doba: http://www.doba.com/company/careers/career/000057.html |
| 21:05.56 | pelaofeliz | We're looking for a couple of entry- to mid-level engineers. We do mostly LAMP work, but we're just looking for good engineers -- if you have no experience with LAMP, no problem. |
| 21:06.25 | pelaofeliz | I'll post to the UPHPU job board, too |
| 21:17.06 | wps | mindjuju: do we have a topic for this month's presentation? |
| 21:18.20 | mgeary | hey, SimpleXML question: how do i return a node as a string, instead of a node object? |
| 21:19.18 | mgeary | when i do: echo $message->text, it outputs a string nicely, but if i stick that same variable into another variable, it retains its object state |
| 21:20.09 | influx^^ | muh? |
| 21:20.10 | influx^^ | wha? |
| 21:20.12 | influx^^ | huh? |
| 21:22.23 | mgeary | strval() did it, though it seems there ought to be a SXML method to do it |
| 21:45.42 | mindjuju | wps, sorry i'm back. topic for this omnth is PHP and Security |
| 21:45.52 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 21:45.54 | SunSparc | mgeary: How were you sticking the variable into another variable? You mean by assignment? |
| 21:46.01 | wps | cool, that sounds good |
| 21:46.09 | mgeary | SunSparc: placing it into an array |
| 21:47.01 | wps | me reminds the group of the awesome job with wps at Omniture that is still open |
| 21:47.03 | SunSparc | That's interesting |
| 21:48.55 | SunSparc | mgeary: What if you just did a regular assignment? |
| 21:49.18 | mgeary | SunSparc: you mean $b = $a->someNodeName; ? |
| 21:49.25 | SunSparc | Right |
| 21:49.40 | mgeary | i would think that would still capture an object |
| 21:49.51 | mgeary | i can try, though |
| 21:50.04 | mgeary | but since $a->someNodeName is an object.... |
| 21:50.39 | mgeary | i could just do the __toString() (or whatever it is), but i don't like calling magic functions like that |
| 21:50.53 | mgeary | maybe i should get over that |
| 21:51.30 | SunSparc | Yeah, understood. But it is interesting that "echo" would not call it an object but instead output the string value. |
| 21:52.15 | SunSparc | It might be a good idea to understand what is happening so that you are not surprised later by a side effect. |
| 21:52.38 | SunSparc | More magic would be type casting to (string) if it would work. |
| 21:52.42 | mgeary | well, echo is hitting that magic function |
| 21:52.53 | mgeary | supposedly you can hit a bug if you try typecasting: |
| 21:53.12 | mgeary | at least with (int) |
| 21:53.25 | SunSparc | Odd |
| 21:53.26 | mgeary | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.simplexml.php#76647 |
| 22:05.39 | mindjuju | timinator and all other technoFreaks - DI - Breaks is playing DJ wicked Wes Spring Break 2k7, pretty good if you like break beats |
| 22:22.25 | PoeticIntensity | I have a CSS question: |
| 22:22.28 | PoeticIntensity | driving me crazy. |
| 22:22.43 | PoeticIntensity | I know what the z-index does - and my question is: does it do it with background-images? |
| 22:22.45 | PoeticIntensity | like... |
| 22:23.08 | PoeticIntensity | if I want background-image-2 to be behind background-image-1 - would implementing z-indexes on the two work? |
| 22:23.17 | PoeticIntensity | because if it does, I'm not doing something right... :-| |
| 22:23.24 | PoeticIntensity | any ideas? wps? orsonj? |
| 22:23.32 | mgeary | you know z-index only works if position is absolute, right? |
| 22:23.43 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh*.... |
| 22:23.43 | PoeticIntensity | yes... |
| 22:23.47 | PoeticIntensity | but I forgot. |
| 22:23.49 | PoeticIntensity | DANGIT! |
| 22:23.53 | mgeary | was that the problem? |
| 22:23.55 | PoeticIntensity | I believe that's the problem... |
| 22:23.56 | mgeary | ~mgeary++ |
| 22:23.58 | PoeticIntensity | I'll investigate. |
| 22:24.42 | PoeticIntensity | yup.... t'was the problem indeed.. |
| 22:24.44 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, bud. |
| 22:24.53 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:29.43 | mindjuju | Atari ET? |
| 22:32.03 | mindjuju | while i have seen many strange and weird things like "Star Wars Holiday Special", i never saw nor played Atari ET |
| 22:32.05 | jsmith-busy | one piece? |
| 22:32.15 | mgeary | jsmith-busy: that's all you need to get your health up |
| 22:32.22 | mindjuju | though i understand all the unsold cartridges are in a dump in arizona |
| 22:33.44 | PoeticIntensity | Enemy Territory (ET) |
| 22:34.01 | mindjuju | oh |
| 22:34.44 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(Atari_2600) |
| 22:35.05 | mgeary | critics didn't like the game, but i enjoyed it |
| 22:37.39 | mgeary | ping thebigdog |
| 22:38.06 | mgeary | so, i've been following this link to set up squid: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2001/07/26/squid.html |
| 22:38.12 | mgeary | and the good news is, i have it running |
| 22:38.18 | mgeary | tested with Firefox |
| 22:38.48 | mgeary | however, that article doesn't say where/how ACLs are set up. Are they files, or entries in a common file? |
| 22:51.41 | mgeary | nevermind on that |
| 22:51.48 | mgeary | they're in the config file |
| 22:59.30 | wps | best CD cover art of all time: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61GD04G7CJL._SS500_.jpg |
| 23:00.59 | mindjuju | k, that's just scary |
| 23:01.41 | bradym | if I have nightmares tonight i know why.. |
| 23:11.19 | wps | :) |
| 23:14.15 | mindjuju | fungus - more pics on the new think notebooks - http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/05/thin-macbook-laptop-concept-images/ |
| 23:14.24 | mindjuju | brb |
| 23:17.33 | wps | I think mindjuju meant "thin notebooks" |
| 23:27.46 | jsmith-busy | wps: Yeah, wouldn't "think" notebooks be thinkpads? |
| 23:28.40 | wps | yeah |
| 23:31.20 | mindjuju | whoops, sorry i did mean thin |
| 23:31.21 | thebigdog | mgeary, pong |
| 23:32.43 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 23:36.34 | thebigdog | mgeary, you can also use squidGuard too |
| 23:41.49 | influx^^ | think notebooks = product pushed by <lou dobbs>Communist China</lou dobbs>. |
| 23:45.10 | RedHeron | influx^^: May I use that on a tee-shirt? |
| 23:45.35 | influx^^ | Heh. You may. |
| 23:46.13 | RedHeron | Thanks! If I make money on it, I'll ask you where to send your split. |
| 23:46.19 | influx^^ | Otay |
| 23:47.31 | influx^^ | :D |
| 23:48.07 | mindjuju | wow - for those of you who watch world's most amazing videos, this is the best of that show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v66GbfH-HzI |
| 23:48.11 | mindjuju | talk about ouch |
