| 00:17.40 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
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| 00:52.01 | PoeticIntensity | CSS question: |
| 00:52.11 | PoeticIntensity | I seem to always have problems with form text boxes and positioning. |
| 00:52.40 | PoeticIntensity | in IE, it puts a much larger space below the form than FF does, and this usually gives me grief. |
| 00:52.50 | PoeticIntensity | does anyone know a workaround for this? |
| 00:53.01 | PoeticIntensity | I've tried margins, padding, etc... |
| 00:53.02 | influx^^ | Have you tried messing with margins? |
| 00:53.04 | influx^^ | Ah. |
| 00:53.16 | influx^^ | What do you put below the form, usuall? |
| 00:53.17 | PoeticIntensity | nothing works - to keep the two consistent. |
| 00:53.22 | PoeticIntensity | nothing. |
| 00:53.29 | influx^^ | Mind if I take a look at the source? |
| 00:53.31 | PoeticIntensity | sure. |
| 00:53.32 | PoeticIntensity | hold on |
| 00:53.54 | influx^^ | What version(s) of FF and IE are you using? |
| 00:54.20 | PoeticIntensity | http://rafb.net/p/8MKQ1l44.html |
| 00:54.22 | mindjuju | yeah, send us webpage |
| 00:54.26 | PoeticIntensity | that's the html |
| 00:54.46 | PoeticIntensity | http://rafb.net/p/7VDGG067.html |
| 00:54.49 | PoeticIntensity | that's the CSS. |
| 00:55.08 | PoeticIntensity | unfortunately, the webpage is inaccessible via. Internet. |
| 00:55.27 | influx^^ | np |
| 00:55.31 | influx^^ | simple enough, it seems |
| 00:55.36 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 00:55.38 | mindjuju | curious, never seen the disparity that bad |
| 00:55.38 | PoeticIntensity | nothing crazy at all. |
| 00:55.39 | influx^^ | so, yeah... what versions of IE and FF? |
| 00:55.43 | PoeticIntensity | latest. |
| 00:55.46 | PoeticIntensity | 2.0.11 |
| 00:55.48 | PoeticIntensity | and IE 7 |
| 00:56.02 | PoeticIntensity | forms *always* give me the same trouble. |
| 00:56.14 | PoeticIntensity | with IE, there's a huge space (above and below) |
| 00:56.17 | PoeticIntensity | with FF, it's normal. |
| 00:56.29 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 00:56.36 | PoeticIntensity | *huge* means about twice the space as FF. |
| 00:56.44 | PoeticIntensity | seems like about 25px in IE. |
| 00:56.47 | PoeticIntensity | and about 10 in FF. |
| 00:56.56 | influx^^ | No no. I was scratching my head thinking about getting a copy of IE 7 |
| 00:56.58 | influx^^ | brb. |
| 00:57.24 | PoeticIntensity | ah |
| 00:57.49 | PoeticIntensity | I'm beginning the actual conversion of the naturesway.com website to open source tech. |
| 00:58.09 | PoeticIntensity | the code on the live site (take a look) is .... interesting. |
| 00:58.26 | PoeticIntensity | I'm re-creating it using CSS whereas they used tables for layout. |
| 00:58.39 | influx^^ | Good times. |
| 00:58.46 | PoeticIntensity | and the darn search bar / store locator are causing me the usual trouble. |
| 00:59.04 | influx^^ | err |
| 00:59.13 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... for good times, take a look at naturesway.com in IE, and then look at it in FF. |
| 00:59.22 | PoeticIntensity | the developers said it would look identical in "all browsers". |
| 00:59.51 | influx^^ | Yeah... right. |
| 00:59.58 | influx^^ | first one i pulled it up in was safari. |
| 01:01.35 | mindjuju | the image size, it isn't specified |
| 01:01.47 | mindjuju | <a href=""><img class="go_button" alt="" src="images/btn_go.gif"></a> |
| 01:01.55 | mindjuju | specify the image height here, that should fix it |
| 01:02.40 | influx^^ | mindjuju to the rescue? |
| 01:03.00 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 01:03.04 | PoeticIntensity | I'll give that a try. |
| 01:04.06 | PoeticIntensity | bah... |
| 01:04.08 | PoeticIntensity | I was hoping you were right. |
| 01:04.17 | mindjuju | huh? worked over here! |
| 01:04.26 | PoeticIntensity | the images aren't what are causing the gap... |
| 01:04.45 | PoeticIntensity | it's the gap over the word "search" and under the store locator "field". |
| 01:05.07 | mindjuju | oh, sorry, thought you meant between the word search and the input box |
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| 01:05.25 | PoeticIntensity | hrmph..... |
| 01:06.25 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 01:06.46 | PoeticIntensity | I can always relatively position the div directly below the one with the forms. |
| 01:06.55 | PoeticIntensity | that'll probably do the trick. |
| 01:07.42 | PoeticIntensity | nah.... |
| 01:07.43 | PoeticIntensity | it won't. |
| 01:07.52 | PoeticIntensity | it will if I do it absolutely, but.... |
| 01:08.01 | PoeticIntensity | then the one below that won't be correct, either. |
| 01:08.03 | PoeticIntensity | however... |
| 01:08.12 | PoeticIntensity | I can absolute em' both, and that *will* work. |
| 01:09.54 | PoeticIntensity | *grr* |
| 01:09.59 | PoeticIntensity | ~grr |
| 01:10.00 | jbot | hmm... grr is a sound that honeypea makes when she's patient, and should be angry or <honeypea> grr :) |
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| 01:12.02 | RedHeron | PoeticIntensity: did you try using non-breaking spaces? |
| 01:12.10 | RedHeron | |
| 01:12.13 | RedHeron | ? |
| 01:12.17 | PoeticIntensity | no. |
| 01:12.34 | RedHeron | That's usually my last-ditch effort on stuff like that. |
| 01:12.36 | PoeticIntensity | According to my understanding, those are used to expand a misbehaving <td> or such... |
| 01:12.50 | RedHeron | They're also typographical. |
| 01:12.52 | PoeticIntensity | in this case, I want to eliminate space, not create it... |
| 01:12.56 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 01:13.01 | mindjuju | i'm still confused on which things are behaving poorly |
| 01:13.01 | PoeticIntensity | if you're talking horizontal spacing.. |
| 01:13.10 | PoeticIntensity | the <form> tag. |
| 01:13.23 | PoeticIntensity | in IE, it creates a vertical space. |
| 01:13.27 | PoeticIntensity | in FF, it doesn't. |
| 01:13.30 | RedHeron | Right. |
| 01:13.37 | PoeticIntensity | I need both to look identical. |
| 01:13.55 | PoeticIntensity | I'm on a path that will work now, for sure.. |
| 01:14.11 | PoeticIntensity | I just didn't wanna use this particular path... (positioning each element absolutely) |
| 01:14.13 | RedHeron | Preventing a line break is usually a font tag with a 1-point-tall inside of it. |
| 01:14.28 | RedHeron | If I'm reading the question correctly. |
| 01:14.57 | PoeticIntensity | not sure I've heard of that one, RedHeron ... |
| 01:15.12 | PoeticIntensity | I'm pretty against font tags, as it is... |
| 01:15.54 | RedHeron | Everything has its uses... it's a matter of knowing the rules, but also one of knowing the hacks\\\\\exceptions |
| 01:15.57 | RedHeron | woops. |
| 01:16.14 | RedHeron | Guess I should watch what I'm typing. Hehehe. |
| 01:17.33 | mindjuju | sorry wasn't able to be of more help |
| 01:18.05 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, no worries... |
| 01:18.05 | PoeticIntensity | I'm just surprised nobody else has had that problem. |
| 01:18.05 | influx^^ | ?me groans. |
| 01:18.05 | RedHeron | mindjuju: you eliminated a possibility... that's helping. :-) |
| 01:18.08 | PoeticIntensity | (true, RedHeron ) |
| 01:18.16 | mindjuju | about sexy form positioning though, i always go here - http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/InForm/ |
| 01:18.34 | mindjuju | v hawt |
| 01:19.38 | RedHeron | PoeticIntensity: Also: nested tables or no? |
| 01:19.47 | mindjuju | i think PI is going CSS |
| 01:19.48 | PoeticIntensity | using no tables at all. |
| 01:19.55 | PoeticIntensity | unless it's tabular data. |
| 01:19.59 | mindjuju | yeah, i swore off tables 3 years ago |
| 01:20.10 | mindjuju | after wps lecture on CSS |
| 01:20.10 | PoeticIntensity | I'm a n00b at it, but learning very quickly. |
| 01:20.12 | RedHeron | Tables might help with the layout in this particular case with making the appearance more uniform. |
| 01:20.16 | PoeticIntensity | heh... me too, mindjuju . |
| 01:20.46 | bradym | PoeticIntensity: have you tried setting the padding and margin of the form element both to 0? |
| 01:20.47 | PoeticIntensity | RedHeron, I doubt I'll use tables, although ironically, I have no doubt I could make it look uniform using tables. |
| 01:20.48 | RedHeron | I take that back. |
| 01:20.53 | PoeticIntensity | bradym, yes. |
| 01:21.12 | RedHeron | PoeticIntensity: Totally up to you. |
| 01:21.15 | bradym | figured you had, but had to check :) |
| 01:21.34 | PoeticIntensity | wps converted me to at least trying out CSS.... |
| 01:21.43 | PoeticIntensity | the more I use(d) it the more I like(d) it. |
| 01:21.48 | RedHeron | http://static.pici.se/pictures/GXjOJXrum.jpg |
| 01:21.51 | PoeticIntensity | and... like anything else - practice makes perfect. |
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| 01:22.41 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah... I use tables as well. |
| 01:22.48 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 01:22.50 | PoeticIntensity | I just use tables for what they were intended to be used for. |
| 01:23.01 | PoeticIntensity | (or at least try) |
| 01:23.21 | RedHeron | Ah, so no actually using them for useful things like layout and holding actual data. |
| 01:24.01 | RedHeron | I just got a job because of one site I'm not even done with. |
| 01:24.12 | RedHeron | And a site that I don't like much. |
| 01:24.23 | RedHeron | http://utah.pirate-party.us/ |
| 01:24.34 | RedHeron | And if you look, keep it under wraps, it's not finished yet. |
| 01:24.41 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 01:24.43 | PoeticIntensity | my lips are sealed. |
| 01:24.46 | RedHeron | Thanks. |
| 01:25.48 | RedHeron | I haven't even scripted the PHP security onto it yet, nor completed the login pages. |
| 01:26.26 | RedHeron | I'm also waiting for the server admin to give me SQL access so I can complete an online form for it. |
| 01:27.08 | RedHeron | But the job I got was from a property developer building a nursing home, since he really liked the layout. |
| 01:28.28 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 01:28.32 | PoeticIntensity | sounds like you lucked out, bro. |
| 01:28.35 | RedHeron | Anyway... combination of tables and CSS on that one, and it looks pretty much identical in all browsers. The most direct solution is usually the simplest. |
| 01:30.49 | RedHeron | Most of my work is a fair amount better than that, but he liked the fact that it was simple and straightforward, since he is fairly computer illiterate. |
| 01:31.16 | influx^^ | RedHeron: Do you mostly do freelance work? |
| 01:31.20 | RedHeron | Not to mention it loads nice and fast. |
| 01:31.29 | RedHeron | influx^^: I'm 100% freelance. |
| 01:31.38 | influx^^ | Please, step into my office. |
| 01:31.45 | influx^^ | Don't mind the mess. |
| 01:35.05 | PoeticIntensity | btw, mindjuju and influx^^ , the absolute positioning worked like a charm. |
| 01:35.29 | PoeticIntensity | kind of a pain, but now it's identical on both browsers. |
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| 01:36.43 | influx^^ | I don't know what possesed these guys to ditch XMission and go with someone else. |
| 01:37.13 | RedHeron | influx^^: usually, quantity over quality |
| 01:38.02 | RedHeron | Lower prices without an investigation to the costs of that lower price. |
| 01:38.08 | RedHeron | (if that makes sense) |
| 01:38.23 | influx^^ | I thought XMission provided access points for free to local businesses. |
| 01:38.40 | mindjuju | not that i know of |
| 01:38.49 | mindjuju | they do have public wifi, but don't know the range |
| 01:38.59 | mindjuju | i know that macnewbold has their alleynet service |
| 01:39.32 | RedHeron | influx^^: I've never heard of XMission doing anything like that for free except to the SLC Public Library. |
| 01:40.02 | influx^^ | *nod* |
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| 01:40.36 | influx^^ | Anchorfree is annoying. |
| 01:41.10 | RedHeron | Personally, I think wireless is annoying. It's not dependent enough for me to use regularly. |
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| 01:42.14 | RedHeron | Though I do have to admit, when I need to just send a quick email, wireless is pretty durned handy. |
| 01:44.19 | PoeticIntensity | heh... nice. |
| 01:44.31 | mindjuju | still at work here |
| 01:46.53 | mindjuju | k, my typing speed is way slower now, or this is wrong - http://www.keybr.com/ |
| 01:47.57 | influx^^ | Hey, PI. |
| 01:48.05 | influx^^ | I just tried removing the margins from the form and it worked for me. |
| 01:48.20 | influx^^ | There's no gap between the bottom input field and the home link |
| 01:48.35 | influx^^ | Nor is there a gap between "Search" and the logo. |
| 01:49.08 | RedHeron | mindjuju: seemed to be accurate to my last typing test. |
| 01:49.19 | influx^^ | PoeticIntensity: |
| 01:49.26 | PoeticIntensity | yo. |
| 01:49.48 | PoeticIntensity | oh... really? |
| 01:49.56 | PoeticIntensity | in IE? |
| 01:50.12 | influx^^ | Yep. |
| 01:50.13 | influx^^ | IE 7 |
| 01:50.19 | PoeticIntensity | funky... I'll have to try it again. |
| 01:50.27 | influx^^ | Are you on Vista or XP? |
| 01:50.29 | PoeticIntensity | margin-top: 0px; |
| 01:50.31 | PoeticIntensity | (XP) |
| 01:50.37 | PoeticIntensity | and margin-bottom: 0px; |
| 01:50.38 | PoeticIntensity | right? |
| 01:50.41 | influx^^ | margin: 0; on my end. |
| 01:50.44 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 01:50.47 | influx^^ | You don't need to specify the units if it's just 0. |
| 01:50.52 | influx^^ | that could have been it. |
| 01:51.00 | influx^^ | so try top and bottom again without px |
| 01:51.41 | influx^^ | hm. px doesn't seem to make a difference on my end. |
| 01:53.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... still doesn't work. |
| 01:53.10 | PoeticIntensity | I'm fine with the absolute positioning. |
| 01:53.10 | influx^^ | hmm. |
| 01:53.18 | influx^^ | one more sec. |
| 01:53.27 | influx^^ | What class/id are you editing? |
| 01:53.44 | PoeticIntensity | I just need it to work on IE, FF and Safari. |
| 01:53.49 | PoeticIntensity | main_search_store |
| 01:54.35 | influx^^ | No, no. :) |
| 01:54.42 | influx^^ | Edit the styles for the form itself. |
| 01:54.51 | PoeticIntensity | bingo. |
| 01:54.52 | PoeticIntensity | that'd do it. |
| 01:55.18 | PoeticIntensity | I'll give that a try later on, but I'm pretty sure that's the issue. |
| 01:55.26 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, influx^^ . |
| 01:55.35 | influx^^ | np |
| 01:55.43 | influx^^ | :) |
| 01:58.32 | RedHeron | Also, I'd like to gather some PHP-generated art, if anyone gets bored and wants to give it a shot. The art will be entered into a contest on Memorial Day Weekend with a prize of $1,000 |
| 01:58.41 | RedHeron | No entry fee, by the way. |
| 01:58.57 | PoeticIntensity | influx^^, BUYAH, BABY! That was it! |
| 01:59.02 | influx^^ | :D |
| 01:59.06 | influx^^ | ^_^ |
| 01:59.22 | PoeticIntensity | margin: 0px 0px 0px 0px; |
| 01:59.25 | influx^^ | ^5 RedHeron |
| 01:59.26 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 01:59.34 | influx^^ | You don't need more than one 0px; |
| 01:59.34 | PoeticIntensity | alright... All drinks on me! |
| 01:59.39 | influx^^ | woo |
| 01:59.42 | influx^^ | water, please. |
| 02:00.22 | mindjuju | way to go influx^^ |
| 02:00.58 | influx^^ | Gracias. |
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| 02:10.50 | influx^^ | Bah. |
| 02:10.56 | influx^^ | I keep forgetting to authenticate. |
| 02:11.07 | influx^^ | All this time I thought RedHeron was being a snob. |
| 02:11.22 | RedHeron | I' |
| 02:11.27 | RedHeron | I'm still a snob. |
| 02:11.42 | influx^^ | Heh. |
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| 02:30.53 | mindjuju | ~tunafart utah_dave |
| 02:30.53 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to utah_dave, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 02:31.04 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 02:31.11 | Utah_Dave | ~pluck fernplant |
| 02:31.17 | PoeticIntensity | you're freakin' hilarious, fernplant |
| 02:31.17 | Utah_Dave | ~chop fernplant |
| 02:31.25 | Utah_Dave | dang |
| 02:31.25 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 02:31.31 | fernplant | nobody here but us ferns! |
| 02:31.31 | Utah_Dave | ~pull fernplant |
| 02:31.38 | Utah_Dave | ~burn fernplant |
| 02:31.39 | jbot | ACTION pours gasoline all over fernplant, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 02:31.44 | Utah_Dave | yes! |
| 02:31.44 | PoeticIntensity | OUCH! |
| 02:31.57 | fernplant | yipes! |
| 02:32.12 | anti_utah_dave | :) |
| 02:33.07 | Utah_Dave | Man, I'm troubleshooting some an interesting bug with a calendaring app I wrote |
| 02:33.47 | Utah_Dave | Crossing the calendar year has had some fun effects! |
| 02:34.13 | mindjuju | like what? |
| 02:34.50 | burnin | php calendar app? |
| 02:35.18 | Utah_Dave | well, Monday is part of 2007 as well as the first week of 2008 |
| 02:35.45 | Utah_Dave | I guess there's several standards for deciding what week a day falls on when you hit the beginning of the year |
| 02:36.03 | Utah_Dave | It's just kind of screwing up work totals for this week. |
| 02:38.17 | mindjuju | i wonder if it'll be Huckabee v Obama come nov 4 ? |
| 02:39.00 | RedHeron | Looks to be. |
| 02:39.09 | RedHeron | Obama is at 36% |
| 02:39.18 | mindjuju | yeah, was looking at that |
| 02:39.30 | RedHeron | Got a URL for the GOP? |
| 02:39.50 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard/ |
| 02:39.56 | mindjuju | click on state in the upper right |
| 02:39.59 | mindjuju | click iowa |
| 02:41.01 | mindjuju | there are some things on there though, that make me concerned it may not be accurate |
| 02:41.09 | RedHeron | It's not. |
| 02:41.11 | mindjuju | like the significant vote republican |
| 02:41.23 | RedHeron | From a statistical standpoint, those numbers are off by almost 14% |
| 02:42.13 | RedHeron | Er.... 1.4% outside of margin, rather. |
| 02:44.35 | burnin | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2008/by_state/US_Page_0103_VD.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS |
| 02:46.55 | mindjuju | wow, maybe the Yahoo numbers were close |
| 02:47.15 | mindjuju | i was confused because the repubs vote was in the tens of thousand where the dem votes were in the hundreds |
| 02:47.24 | mindjuju | but cspan is reporting the same thing |
| 02:47.44 | mindjuju | i thought iowa was fairly middle of the road when it came to red or blue |
| 02:48.39 | RedHeron | mindjuju: the Democratic caucuses are held differently. |
| 02:48.54 | mindjuju | how so? |
| 02:49.21 | RedHeron | mindjuju: where the GOP counts individual votes, the Dems tend to go by precinct votes based on a verbal vote or a count of hands. |
| 02:50.00 | RedHeron | There are 1781 precincts in Iowa. |
| 02:50.16 | mindjuju | curious |
| 02:50.22 | RedHeron | Only 1588 of those have reported. |
| 02:51.17 | RedHeron | 1593 now |
| 02:52.43 | PoeticIntensity | God help us all if that's the case (Huckabee vs. Obama) |
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| 02:53.01 | RedHeron | God might be the only one who can? |
| 02:53.05 | PoeticIntensity | alright... I'm outta here! |
| 02:53.10 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for all the help, ya'll.. |
| 02:53.13 | mindjuju | cya |
| 02:53.15 | PoeticIntensity | I'm sure I'll be asking more in the days / weeks to come. |
| 02:53.17 | influx^^ | more problems? |
| 02:53.19 | RedHeron | Glad to be of no use. :-) |
| 02:53.20 | PoeticIntensity | not at all. |
| 02:53.25 | influx^^ | haha |
| 02:53.36 | influx^^ | We all have our areas of "I think I know a little about that." |
| 02:53.52 | influx^^ | later PI |
| 02:55.37 | Utah_Dave | ~nosepick mindjuju |
| 02:55.38 | jbot | ACTION plucks mindjuju out of the nose of humanity and flicks him out the window! |
| 02:55.48 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 02:55.53 | mindjuju | ~toejam utah_dave |
| 02:55.53 | jbot | ACTION wipes all the crud and utah_dave from out between his toes. Yuck! |
| 02:56.01 | Utah_Dave | Well, I've got my bug fixed... I think |
| 02:58.44 | Utah_Dave | thanks, RedHeron. |
| 02:59.01 | Utah_Dave | Just gotta have people test it tomorrow on our test server and then push it live |
| 03:01.48 | Utah_Dave | that's cool. But this is on an intranet that doesn't touch the scary interwebs. |
| 03:11.27 | Utah_Dave | I did some more testing. I'm going to go ahead and push out the fix |
| 03:11.34 | mindjuju | rock on |
| 03:12.08 | Utah_Dave | sometimes you gotta go for it |
| 03:12.10 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 03:12.40 | mindjuju | roll the dice and take a chance! |
| 03:13.43 | Utah_Dave | I've been bitten before doing that, but you look like a hero when it works out! |
| 03:14.01 | Utah_Dave | just kidding. I'm really conservative on that kind of thing |
| 03:14.09 | Utah_Dave | I test like crazy before deploying stuff |
| 03:15.10 | orsonj | crazy man, I just edit stuff directly on the server and fix stuff as bug reports come in. ;) |
| 03:16.00 | Utah_Dave | I had a bug that was driving me nuts a while back. |
| 03:16.23 | Utah_Dave | Once every 2 or 3 months, everybody would lose their team assignment in the database |
| 03:16.37 | Utah_Dave | and I'd have to go in and fix it from the latest backup |
| 03:16.43 | orsonj | ouch |
| 03:16.54 | Utah_Dave | It ALWAYS happened when I was out of town on business |
| 03:17.00 | Utah_Dave | EVERY time! |
| 03:17.20 | Utah_Dave | So I started logging every single query that wasn't a select |
| 03:17.37 | Utah_Dave | After about 6 months it happened while I was in town |
| 03:17.54 | Utah_Dave | I pored over the logs for hours until I figured it out |
| 03:18.19 | mindjuju | what was it? |
| 03:18.38 | orsonj | he's going to charge us all for the answer. I just know it. |
| 03:18.58 | Utah_Dave | Well, when people log into my app, it goes in Novell and figures out what team they are on and updates that info in my database, so they show up on the correct teams |
| 03:19.05 | Utah_Dave | The military leadership had started a language training class without telling anybody |
| 03:19.27 | Utah_Dave | So they had a team in Novell, but I didn't know about it. And they swore that that would never happen |
| 03:19.50 | Utah_Dave | They weren't supposed to try to use my app, but one of the guys has a brother working here, so he knew about it and tried to log in. |
| 03:20.12 | Utah_Dave | and because his team didn't exist in my DB, it set his and everyone else's team to null |
| 03:20.23 | Utah_Dave | So, it was mostly my fault for not checking my data |
| 03:20.39 | Utah_Dave | but it sure was embarrassing that it kept happening for so long |
| 03:20.53 | Utah_Dave | I do a LOT better job checking my data before doing anything with the db |
| 03:22.00 | mindjuju | talking about databases, i wonder when somebody is goign to write a database connector for LOGO |
| 03:22.18 | orsonj | logo as in the little turtle language? |
| 03:22.29 | mindjuju | yup |
| 03:22.52 | mindjuju | you know you want to do your web apps in LOGO |
| 03:23.37 | mindjuju | no more CSS, no more tables, just hawt LOGO |
| 03:24.11 | orsonj | That would in some ways be sort of cool. |
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| 03:25.37 | mindjuju | ah yea, logo |
| 03:25.50 | mindjuju | maybe i'll teach it to my son |
| 03:26.05 | Utah_Dave | Well, I'm heading home |
| 03:26.07 | Utah_Dave | later guys |
| 03:26.12 | mindjuju | cya |
| 03:26.20 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 03:26.21 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
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| 03:26.29 | mindjuju | how rude! |
| 03:26.38 | mindjuju | farts, then splits! |
| 03:26.54 | mindjuju | oh! i'll get him good! |
| 04:37.25 | orsonj | anyone know how to calculate a cube root |
| 04:42.50 | RedHeron | orsonj: Do you need a calculation, or the actual equation? |
| 04:43.17 | orsonj | just found something: pow(x,1/3) |
| 04:43.21 | mindjuju | i'm seeing this, but not verified |
| 04:43.25 | orsonj | that works for my case |
| 04:43.25 | mindjuju | yup, that's what i saw |
| 04:43.26 | mindjuju | <?php |
| 04:43.26 | mindjuju | $num = 8; |
| 04:43.26 | mindjuju | $pow = 1/3; |
| 04:43.26 | mindjuju | echo pow($num, $pow); |
| 04:43.26 | mindjuju | ?> |
| 04:44.14 | orsonj | I was looking for something like nroot(x,3), but that works. |
| 04:45.52 | orsonj | looking for an excuse to explain newtonian approximation? (I think that is the correct term.) |
| 04:49.17 | RedHeron | Either that, or I was going to make up something that sounded really cool, but was in actuality pretty boring. |
| 04:50.48 | RedHeron | And that would have led me into a diatribe about the precision of certain 64-bit processors being less than 12 significant digits, and this in turn leading to possible issues with the Columbia. |
| 04:51.13 | RedHeron | Which would further have led me into expounding on the virtues of precision when dealing with anything financial. |
| 04:51.32 | RedHeron | I guess you guys were pretty lucky to avoid all of that. |
| 04:52.36 | orsonj | well, I don't think I would have noticed the difference between your first two options. however, the precision issues I might find interesting. |
| 04:52.48 | orsonj | Not sure where columbia comes in though. |
| 04:53.43 | orsonj | or is that a nasa product |
| 04:53.50 | RedHeron | Right. |
| 04:54.03 | RedHeron | But how about that election, eh? |
| 04:54.40 | mindjuju | talking about precision in significant numbers -- that reminds me of an age old question - Half a bee, philosophically, must ipso facto half not bee. But half the bee has got to be vis-à-vis its entity - d'you see? But can a bee be said to be or not to be an entire bee when half the bee is not a bee due to some ancient injury? |
| 04:54.45 | orsonj | the one that is next year. Wait, it is this year now. |
| 04:55.06 | RedHeron | http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA |
| 04:55.21 | RedHeron | And primarily started. |
| 04:55.39 | RedHeron | mindjuju: 2 bee, or not 2 bee? |
| 04:55.57 | mindjuju | well, not 2 bee, but 1/2Bee |
| 04:56.10 | RedHeron | bee/2? |
| 04:56.12 | mindjuju | :) |
| 04:56.21 | RedHeron | BeeOS? |
| 04:56.36 | orsonj | bee/2 = bee + 0 |
| 04:57.05 | RedHeron | Depends on which MP we're talking about? |
| 04:57.09 | orsonj | MP? Motion Picture? I like movies. |
| 04:57.18 | mindjuju | Monty Python |
| 04:57.23 | RedHeron | No, Member of Parliament! |
| 04:57.45 | orsonj | never did get into Money Python |
| 04:57.59 | mindjuju | shame |
| 04:58.01 | orsonj | ehhhh, whatever |
| 04:58.18 | RedHeron | orsonj: It's actually great when you have nothing better to do at 3am and nothing to do the next day. |
| 04:58.48 | orsonj | I would imagine, however I don't get those opportunities much anymore |
| 04:58.52 | mindjuju | how could you not like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7YedEopp4 |
| 04:59.05 | RedHeron | mindjuju: I feel like sending an email to president@whitehouse.gov and saying: "Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!" |
| 04:59.22 | mindjuju | or this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H6DSoqZz_s&feature=related |
| 04:59.38 | orsonj | I don't like them on dialup ;) |
| 05:00.01 | mindjuju | ah, dialup |
| 05:00.23 | RedHeron | Wow. Someone still uses dialup? |
| 05:01.44 | orsonj | dialup and a 733Mhz P3 |
| 05:02.20 | orsonj | You'd think a geek like me would have something capable of running vista. |
| 05:02.49 | mindjuju | my file server is a precision 220 (dual p3 600mhz) |
| 05:02.57 | mindjuju | home file server, that is |
| 05:03.05 | RedHeron | orsonj: just because you *can* doesn't mean you *should*. |
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| 05:04.23 | orsonj | My wife got a laptop last year with vista, so I'm not completly isolated from technology. |
| 05:04.36 | orsonj | But this is my main box |
| 05:05.11 | orsonj | I do most of my web devlopment on it. (including hosting a test server) |
| 05:06.46 | orsonj | Sad thing is, laptop doesn't feel much more responsive than this one. |
| 05:07.20 | RedHeron | orsonj: I love my desktop. |
| 05:07.29 | RedHeron | I don't *need* to run Vista. |
| 05:07.51 | orsonj | I'd rather build a myth box than get a replacement for this. (although, it could easily do both.) |
| 05:10.55 | orsonj | I think something along the lines of th Eee or olpc would be fun |
| 05:11.46 | orsonj | I've also got my eye on the openmoko phone (which specs are almost as good as my computer) |
| 05:12.18 | orsonj | I guess I just think there are more cool things to spend money on than a desktop computer. |
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| 05:13.39 | orsonj | mindjuju: I was just saying how I'd rather do something like a myth box, or Eee or olpc or openmoko phone than put money in a new desktop. |
| 05:14.02 | mindjuju | myth = hawt |
| 05:15.47 | orsonj | (I run irc on a different, more well connected, computer.) |
| 05:15.49 | mindjuju | i just ran into this program about 2 months ago, and i'm loving it - http://www.binaryfortress.com/displayfusion/ |
| 05:16.41 | mindjuju | i've got 4 21' CRT and i'm using the app to give each monitor its own background, allowing me to display the visible light spectrum over the four monitors |
| 05:16.42 | mindjuju | v cool |
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| 05:17.21 | orsonj | nice |
| 05:17.52 | orsonj | did you once post a picture of your setup just before you plugged in the fourth? or was that someone else? |
| 05:18.27 | burnin | http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ is a nice hardwareless kvm, can't do everything displayfusion does but it does work across platforms |
| 05:18.30 | mindjuju | prolly me |
| 05:23.41 | orsonj | http://rafb.net/p/nKyaiM12.html <-- circle program in logo. (kturtle anyway) not sure exactly why 2800/sides^3 fixes things so nicely, but seems to work. |
| 05:25.28 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 05:49.37 | orsonj | In retrospect my referencing vista may have made it sound like I wanted vista. I only mentioned it because the minimum requirements are a modern computer. |
| 05:50.16 | mindjuju | more than a modern computer, a modern computer with the latest in graphics, a buttload of ram and a peppy cpu |
| 05:50.29 | mindjuju | all to get functionality that didn't work |
| 05:50.40 | mindjuju | at least not on my work computers it didn't |
| 05:51.44 | orsonj | speaking of which, I was dissing vista a while back because it couldn't play a dvd. |
| 05:52.19 | orsonj | Turns out it was mostly the dvd's fault. It was a dvd that wasn't optimized by hollywood's best |
| 05:52.51 | orsonj | A normal dvd plays fine on it |
| 05:52.52 | mindjuju | not optimized? dvd? |
| 05:53.53 | orsonj | My wife got a training dvd from somewhere and media player would play it like it was downloading off of bad dsl and didn't quite buffer enough. |
| 05:54.08 | orsonj | vlc was able to cope with it in realtime though. |
| 05:54.48 | orsonj | regular dvd's used around 15-20% system resources rather than 110% |
| 05:55.13 | mindjuju | not sure that you can optimize a DVD though. the DVD prolly had some macrovision crap that was decoding / bogging ya down |
| 05:55.38 | orsonj | Haven't you seen dvd encoding by <insert company here> on movies? |
| 05:55.53 | orsonj | I think some stuff actually does better than others. |
| 05:56.23 | orsonj | I could be off though |
| 05:58.18 | orsonj | But I installed ubuntu on an external drive and it performed about the same on the same (real) dvd |
| 05:58.56 | orsonj | Of course I installed all the compiz stuff, so it was a fair test. |
| 05:58.57 | mindjuju | hmm... what are the specs of the cpu? |
| 05:59.51 | orsonj | Amd turion x2 64 (forget the speed) (32 bit OS in both cases) |
| 06:00.50 | mindjuju | more than enough power |
| 06:01.46 | orsonj | hollywood videos played fine, I don't know what is different about the one dvd |
| 06:03.12 | orsonj | I need to burn a 64 bit ubuntu and install it to see how it works. |
| 06:03.46 | orsonj | I doubt the proprietary drivers would work, but I have been surprised before. |
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| 14:05.32 | timinator | morning guys |
| 14:27.46 | mindjuju | morning timinator |
| 14:28.02 | timinator | sup mindjuju |
| 14:28.11 | timinator | how's your week shaping up? |
| 14:28.57 | mindjuju | long |
| 14:29.37 | timinator | what's on your agenda for today? |
| 14:31.02 | mindjuju | got to finish this education app i'm building where people get to administer tests |
| 14:31.12 | mindjuju | and clients get to take them |
| 14:31.14 | mindjuju | you? |
| 14:35.23 | mindjuju | plus, today is payday so that makes things better |
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| 14:56.29 | Utah_Dave | ~curse mindjuju |
| 14:56.30 | jbot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, mindjuju ! |
| 14:56.45 | Utah_Dave | what? he's already a Windows XP administrator! |
| 14:56.54 | mindjuju | yeah, was just going to say |
| 15:16.37 | timinator | sorry mindjuju, got pulled away..... |
| 15:16.51 | timinator | I'm working on some reporting functions |
| 15:17.33 | timinator | giving the Company Owners info about how their company is doing... based off info in our system |
| 15:18.26 | timinator | info that they haven't had before, and yet they make decisions off of anyway... they've just been using their gut instinct on how their business is doing to make those decisions |
| 15:22.51 | brasto | ~logo |
| 15:22.51 | jbot | somebody said logo was a wierd graphical language, but don't tell Seymour that |
| 15:23.42 | brasto | ~seymour |
| 15:23.59 | brasto | ~wiki logo |
| 15:25.28 | brasto | ~wiki logo disambiguation |
| 15:26.10 | brasto | ~wiki logo-disambiguation |
| 15:26.18 | brasto | ~wiki logo_disambiguation |
| 15:26.27 | brasto | ??? |
| 15:26.48 | brasto | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_%28disambiguation%29 |
| 15:27.43 | brasto | ah... |
| 15:27.58 | brasto | ~wiki logo_(disambiguation) |
| 15:28.22 | brasto | ~lart overusing the underscore key |
| 15:28.22 | jbot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at overusing the underscore key |
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| 15:46.58 | mindjuju | wow, EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GT 600MHZ 512MB 1.8GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card |
| 15:47.03 | mindjuju | only $234 |
| 15:47.26 | beandog | spendy |
| 15:47.37 | mindjuju | oh, thought it was cheap |
| 15:47.42 | mindjuju | not that i have money for it |
| 15:47.51 | mindjuju | but i mean, for the card, thought it was a good deal |
| 15:47.57 | beandog | I got an 8600GTS for something like $150 |
| 15:48.15 | beandog | I dunno if thats as good though |
| 15:48.47 | mindjuju | seems like i saw something about fps being significantly higher in the 88 than the 86 |
| 15:49.12 | beandog | oh? |
| 15:49.17 | beandog | what kinda games you playing anyway |
| 15:49.28 | mindjuju | but to be honest, i haven't bought a high end video card since i was a bachelor |
| 15:49.41 | mindjuju | well, i'm playing some really intensive stuff |
| 15:49.53 | mindjuju | like half life, counterstrike, age of mythology |
| 15:49.58 | mindjuju | :( |
| 15:50.04 | mindjuju | my home computer sux |
| 15:50.08 | beandog | heh |
| 15:50.12 | beandog | ever play tron 2.0? :D |
| 15:50.27 | mindjuju | are you kiddnig? prolly fry my cpu |
| 15:50.31 | mindjuju | i've wanted to though |
| 15:50.33 | mindjuju | looked cool |
| 15:50.36 | beandog | is fun |
| 15:50.38 | beandog | the artwork is amazing |
| 15:52.13 | beandog | I played it with all my old AGP cards |
| 15:52.16 | beandog | what do you have now |
| 15:52.45 | mindjuju | honestly? can't even remember |
| 15:53.34 | mindjuju | on one of the comps, the video is onboard |
| 15:53.44 | mindjuju | so that's how good it is |
| 15:53.54 | beandog | oh |
| 15:53.57 | beandog | that might not work |
| 15:54.25 | beandog | cmon mindjuju, you gotta do the bachelor thing and drop a grand on a new gaming box |
| 15:55.10 | mindjuju | yeah, it's pretty sad at home |
| 15:55.21 | mindjuju | my work computers are top of the line, but home computers... |
| 15:55.24 | mindjuju | let me say it this way |
| 15:55.40 | mindjuju | i have to use a couple computers and monitors to keep up with what i can do at work |
| 15:58.37 | beandog | Oblivion is incredibly addictive |
| 15:58.43 | beandog | thats why I got my new one too |
| 15:59.00 | brasto | but it was only $40, since I don't want to spend a lot on my older 32 bit home computer |
| 15:59.03 | brasto | yes, it is |
| 15:59.24 | brasto | I recently reloaded Windows, and have not reinstalled Oblivion... not until I get a few important things done... |
| 16:00.19 | brasto | Morrowind was addictive, too. I miss a couple things about Morrowind, like levitation spells and paralyze spells that are worthwhile |
| 16:00.37 | beandog | I never played the 3rd one |
| 16:00.39 | beandog | I didnt like it |
| 16:00.50 | beandog | plus my video card sucked |
| 16:01.09 | brasto | but with morrowind, you start out weak and end up very powerful |
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| 16:19.21 | mindjuju | uh oh! when life imitates art - DARPA finds way to replace sleep with a nasal spray - http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/01/darpa-develops.html || xfiles - mulder investigates Vietnam vets who suffer from sleep deprivation - http://www.tv.com/the-x-files/sleepless/episode/518/reviews.html?review_id=38601&flag= |
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| 16:31.12 | mgeary | morning |
| 16:31.35 | beandog | holas |
| 16:32.32 | mindjuju | morning mgeary |
| 16:35.31 | beandog | you know |
| 16:35.33 | beandog | it occurs to me |
| 16:35.41 | beandog | none of these php job posts mention like ... what market you'll be working in |
| 16:35.46 | beandog | I think that's an interesting part of the job |
| 16:36.01 | beandog | since, aside from that, they're all the same. "You work on projects. With a team. Under some foob." |
| 16:36.33 | beandog | The chosen candidate will be responsible for building the web |
| 16:36.33 | beandog | presence necessary for The American Academy to deliver a high-touch, |
| 16:36.33 | beandog | high-quality learning experience to our teachers, students and applicants. |
| 16:36.37 | beandog | That doesn't say jack squat. |
| 16:36.51 | beandog | oh wait, bad example, theyve got an "about our company" section |
| 16:36.54 | beandog | whoops. |
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| 17:11.59 | orsonj | ~late mindjuju |
| 17:12.00 | jbot | ACTION mindjuju is passed on, is no more, has ceased to be, has expired and gone to meet its maker. mindjuju is a late mindjuju, a stiff, bereft of life. mindjuju rests in peace! If mindjuju hadn't been nailed in place mindjuju would be pushing up the daisies. mindjuju has run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. mindjuju is an ex-mindjuju. |
| 17:13.51 | _psychic_ | pining for the FJORDS?!?! |
| 17:14.51 | mindjuju | _psychic_ - love that one |
| 17:15.02 | _psychic_ | except the end is kinda wierd |
| 17:15.14 | mindjuju | if i hadn't nailed him to the perch, he would have voomed right out of the cage! |
| 17:16.17 | _psychic_ | he woulda muscled up to those bars.... and VWOOM! |
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| 18:21.47 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you around? |
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| 18:45.30 | timinator | BRB |
| 19:01.23 | orsonj | surprisingly cpu intensive |
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| 19:02.41 | orsonj | was using about 500Mhz of cpu |
| 19:16.27 | orsonj | wow, that's a lot of flash (on their website) |
| 19:19.56 | orsonj | well, it does look like an entry level job |
| 19:20.19 | orsonj | I forget what this group thinks of price ranges for different level work. |
| 19:25.46 | orsonj | I guess I made 13k working part time last year. |
| 19:26.50 | RedHeron | Every time I've gone into a "regular" job, I ask: "What stops you from making a competitive pay offer?" and I cite that I can command more in the freelance world than I can as a corporate employee. If they want me, they'll up my pay accordingly, or I'll continue to freelance. |
| 19:27.22 | RedHeron | They typically want me at $12-$24 per hour, when I can get 50% more than that on a typical job. |
| 19:27.53 | RedHeron | Also, as a freelancer, you tend to have to charge more since it's longer between pay stubs. |
| 19:33.44 | burnin | RedHeron, don't you also charge more to cover the non-existent benefits when your a freelancer, insurance and what not? |
| 19:34.17 | RedHeron | Yes, but when I'm calculating payroll, I always calculate gross pay. |
| 19:34.32 | RedHeron | Then deduct taxes and benefits, etc. |
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| 19:37.15 | _psychic_ | paying competitively is different than matching freelance to salary |
| 19:37.23 | _psychic_ | seems kinda apples to oranges |
| 19:37.58 | mindjuju | apples v oranges? i prefer pears! |
| 19:38.19 | mindjuju | i'm here all week. Try the veal! |
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| 19:40.43 | mindjuju | serves ya right! |
| 19:44.57 | mgeary | ah, you don't want to freelance in CH |
| 19:45.09 | RedHeron | mgeary: Why not? |
| 19:45.11 | mgeary | you'd want to get hooked up and get *inside* the system |
| 19:45.27 | mgeary | contracting would keep you outside (with respect to pension, insurance, etc.) |
| 19:45.59 | RedHeron | Well, the company's Swiss, and it's doing a project I consider important, plus it's half-pay up front and half-on-delivery. |
| 19:47.22 | mgeary | oh, so you're not *in* CH |
| 19:47.25 | RedHeron | Not that it's a lot of money, but it furthers my aims in life. |
| 19:47.32 | mgeary | well, in that case, it doesn't really matter |
| 19:47.36 | mgeary | :) |
| 19:47.49 | mgeary | what's the point of working for a CH company, if you don't get to live there? ;) |
| 19:48.08 | RedHeron | Connections, in case I visit. |
| 19:48.13 | mgeary | there ya go |
| 19:48.53 | RedHeron | I do, sometimes... but PayPal converts them to USD. |
| 19:49.21 | mgeary | slap those Euros in there |
| 20:05.39 | mgeary | given the weak dollar, you know |
| 20:06.28 | orsonj | so, given that, you could just run the wireless mesh botnet for a week in the EU and buy google |
| 20:06.44 | orsonj | rather than the requisit month in the US |
| 20:09.17 | mgeary | now there's a great song title |
| 20:09.25 | wps | very nice |
| 20:09.56 | mindjuju | psh, Jimmy Buffett - Margaretville |
| 20:10.03 | mindjuju | oops, Margaritaville |
| 20:10.13 | mindjuju | don't know how to spell the drink, let me queue up the song |
| 20:15.53 | mindjuju | SMB - the Joker - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIHP9o6X6D8&feature=related |
| 20:18.40 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:18.40 | mgeary | how can i compete with that? |
| 20:18.44 | mindjuju | it's friday, everybody needs a little steve miller |
| 20:19.14 | mindjuju | this fatboy slim version of the joker is pretty funny for those of you on lunch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgk9ouBuj-4&feature=related |
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| 20:48.11 | mindjuju | about time! mgeary and i were worried when you were gone so long timinator. We called the President, but i'll just call him back and tell them to tell everybody to stand down, you're ok |
| 20:48.27 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:48.33 | timinator | all is well |
| 20:48.35 | timinator | :) |
| 20:50.03 | timinator | don't worry about me... I can give Authorized Strike Orders using any cell phone's built in GPS technology |
| 20:50.15 | timinator | that's handy, I'll tell you |
| 20:50.33 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:51.47 | timinator | give the Strike Order, throw the cell phone like a grenade, they never know that Hell is coming for them. |
| 20:51.49 | timinator | :) |
| 20:52.03 | timinator | until it's too late, that is |
| 20:52.22 | timinator | I can't wait till I move up to Admiral |
| 20:53.21 | timinator | hehe |
| 20:53.42 | SunSparc | except maybe into a cloud of fluffy pillows. |
| 20:53.58 | SunSparc | lol |
| 21:15.03 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I got a kick out of the tunafart when I logged in |
| 21:15.41 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:33.26 | Utah_Dave | ~lart outdated Adaptec SCSI drivers |
| 21:33.26 | jbot | nabs the moon and broadsides outdated Adaptec SCSI drivers with the sea of tranquility |
| 21:34.55 | orsonj | I just bought a $10 cellphone |
| 21:35.37 | orsonj | partly because the battery in mine is dead |
| 21:37.55 | mgeary | for what network? I'm all about cheap phones |
| 21:43.06 | orsonj | t-mobile. I was going to get a prepaid account, but already have a phone, so, it was $10 to get a card, and $10 more to get a phone with it. |
| 21:43.31 | mgeary | i'm on T-mobile |
| 21:43.40 | mgeary | where'd you get the phone? |
| 21:43.50 | orsonj | and then I got the $100 boost to keep it full for a year |
| 21:44.00 | orsonj | just one of the stores here in logan. |
| 21:44.06 | mgeary | ah |
| 21:44.20 | mgeary | so it's not like an existing customer can walk in and get one for $10 with no strings |
| 21:44.31 | mgeary | there'd be a contract extension at the very least |
| 21:44.40 | mgeary | so you didn't *really* get a phone for $10 |
| 21:44.54 | mgeary | you got a phone for $10 and a contract. right? |
| 21:45.03 | orsonj | I didn't tell them I was an existing customer, I just said I had a phone that worked with t-mobile. |
| 21:45.39 | orsonj | I paid $20 and got $10 worth of minutes, a new phone number, and a phone |
| 21:45.54 | orsonj | I was about to pay $10 for a new phone number and $10 worth of minutes |
| 21:46.04 | mgeary | interesting. |
| 21:46.09 | orsonj | yep |
| 21:46.34 | mgeary | i could take that approach, and either ditch their card (using my own pre-existing card), or try to just get the phone |
| 21:46.35 | orsonj | but I opted for $10 more and the phone. |
| 21:46.53 | orsonj | right |
| 21:47.04 | mgeary | what model is it? i might try that after work today |
| 21:47.40 | mgeary | it'd be good to have a spare phone on-hand. i keep mine in my pocket, not a holster, so they tend to get linty after a year or two |
| 21:48.21 | orsonj | Nokia 2610 |
| 21:48.39 | mgeary | thanks |
| 21:49.10 | orsonj | The price listed next to the display model was $50-60 or something like that. |
| 21:49.21 | orsonj | It's just a candy bar phone |
| 21:51.20 | orsonj | (I actually replaced the screen on my sidekick a while back) |
| 21:51.35 | orsonj | Interesting little contraption they use for the screen. |
| 21:56.52 | mgeary | so how do they explain/justify giving the phone to you for $10 if the display says $50? Presumably because you're signing up for a prepaid account, and they'll make heaps of money off you as you buy minutes? |
| 21:58.31 | orsonj | actually, I haven't seen anything cheaper than them for prepaid. |
| 21:58.55 | orsonj | A couple others are the same price/min, but not cheaper. |
| 21:59.38 | orsonj | I also like not having to pay extra network fees, government program fees, etc with prepaid, that shows up on the regular plan. |
| 22:00.55 | mgeary | i don't mind the $43/month i pay for 2 phones to share 700 mins; i'd just welcome a cheap source of replacement phones |
| 22:01.43 | orsonj | understandable, I just don't use 700 mins, more like 60. |
| 22:02.23 | orsonj | when you get above 200-300 mins, a regular plan gets reasonable. |
| 22:02.39 | mgeary | yeah, i use more like 300, but you pay a *steep* price for underestimating your minutes |
| 22:03.15 | orsonj | I have about 3 years of data on myself and a year of data on my wife, so I feel safe. |
| 22:07.48 | orsonj | Now, if I could just figure out a good health insurance situation... |
| 22:11.48 | mgeary | aren't you a student? |
| 22:12.17 | mgeary | for the record, there *is* no good health insurance situation |
| 22:12.48 | mgeary | we had a personal policy with IHC for several years. It's standard procedure for personal policies to have a $5000 maternity deductable |
| 22:13.26 | mgeary | our company recently outsourced our benefits to aplus, so now we have company insurance, but we're paying slightly higher premiums now |
| 22:15.43 | brasto | ping Black_Chaos |
| 22:16.41 | brasto | ~chuckfact |
| 22:16.42 | jbot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 22:17.17 | PoeticIntensity | yo, mindjuju .... just watched the joker video with the kittens... |
| 22:17.20 | PoeticIntensity | loved it! |
| 22:17.32 | mindjuju | wasn't that awesome! |
| 22:17.40 | PoeticIntensity | most definitely. |
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| 22:23.23 | dataw0lf | mgeary: I dunno, my health insurance policy is pretty sweer |
| 22:26.33 | influx^^ | muh? Joker? Kittens? |
| 22:30.30 | wps | check the instructions under "flags" on this page: http://us3.php.net/file_put_contents |
| 22:30.43 | wps | is says "This flag is only available since PHP 6" |
| 22:30.45 | wps | huh? |
| 22:30.48 | wps | PHP 6 isn't out yet |
| 22:30.59 | PoeticIntensity | that happened with PHP 5, too. |
| 22:31.08 | PoeticIntensity | they're writin' docs before it's released. |
| 22:31.49 | wps | for the flags, is it like this… |
| 22:31.49 | _psychic_ | (smart) |
| 22:32.19 | _psychic_ | i try to do that with cake |
| 22:32.20 | wps | file_put_contents(filename, data, FILE_APPEND); |
| 22:32.21 | PoeticIntensity | one very good reason why PHP is so wide-used. |
| 22:32.22 | wps | …or… |
| 22:32.31 | wps | file_put_contents(filename, data, 'FILE_APPEND'); |
| 22:32.34 | wps | …? |
| 22:32.53 | wps | does the flag need to be in quites? |
| 22:32.55 | _psychic_ | no quotes |
| 22:32.57 | _psychic_ | its a constant |
| 22:32.58 | wps | quotes |
| 22:32.58 | wps | k |
| 22:32.59 | wps | thanks |
| 22:33.02 | PoeticIntensity | no quotes. |
| 22:33.13 | wps | that's what I thought |
| 22:45.36 | wps | that old school 1995 table border is pretty sweet |
| 22:50.31 | mgeary | some good deals at the Apple store on refurbished MacBook Pros, yall |
| 22:50.41 | mgeary | $400 off |
| 22:55.13 | mgeary | jeeze, you've got to really dig around in the Apple Store if you want to buy an XServe :/ |
| 22:58.07 | dataw0lf | mgeary: do they come with a complimentary beret, cup of expensive coffee, and a handbook on crappy poetry? |
| 22:58.18 | mgeary | yes. AND a volvo |
| 22:59.16 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 22:59.33 | PoeticIntensity | I had a macaholic for a teacher who swore by the XServe. |
| 22:59.39 | PoeticIntensity | He ended up buying 3 of them. |
| 22:59.50 | mgeary | we've got one, and i'm about to buy another |
| 23:00.06 | PoeticIntensity | After he bought them and swore by their "ease of use", he tried to get apache running... |
| 23:00.08 | PoeticIntensity | tee hee... |
| 23:00.15 | PoeticIntensity | it wouldn't work, nor could he get it to work.. |
| 23:00.16 | mgeary | bah. it's cake |
| 23:00.30 | PoeticIntensity | so he had the Linux folk in the university look at it and get it working for him. |
| 23:00.42 | mgeary | though i will probably compile my own apache/php for the new machine |
| 23:00.46 | PoeticIntensity | Oh, he wasn't a computer programmer by any stretch.. |
| 23:00.55 | mgeary | i don't like using GUI tools to administer servers |
| 23:01.18 | PoeticIntensity | It was just beautiful seeing him eat his words after being so passionate about it's "all you have to do it plug it in and you've got everything you need" - ness. |
| 23:01.23 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 23:01.38 | PoeticIntensity | serious poetic justice... |
| 23:01.41 | mgeary | well, it actually should have been that way. He must have tried really hard to mess something up |
| 23:01.51 | PoeticIntensity | I honestly don't know. |
| 23:02.09 | PoeticIntensity | I just know that one of my other teachers (the Linux dude) spend a good portion of a day trying to get it to work. |
| 23:02.36 | PoeticIntensity | hehe..... Hearing him curse the mac's name while in a terminal was priceless. |
| 23:02.58 | mgeary | hah |
| 23:03.12 | PoeticIntensity | I don't have anything against macs, but if you swear something works, it better work. :) |
| 23:08.16 | _psychic_ | there's a difference between not working, and not knowing how to make it work |
| 23:08.19 | _psychic_ | linux != mac |
| 23:08.27 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 23:08.35 | PoeticIntensity | however, this dude claimed "all you do is plug it in, and it works!" |
| 23:08.55 | PoeticIntensity | all of this, of course, before he had even purchased the servers. |
| 23:19.01 | mgeary | hey, any hardware gurus around? |
| 23:19.56 | mgeary | just bought the xserve, but Apple's ram is crazy expensive. I'm looking for a good source for "667MHz DDR2 ECC fully buffered DIMM" chips |
| 23:20.23 | tierra | newegg? |
| 23:20.30 | PoeticIntensity | crucial.com |
| 23:21.09 | mgeary | yeah, looks good, thanks |
| 23:21.09 | PoeticIntensity | good memory, good prices, great website, etc... |
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| 23:56.40 | wps | we need more people like Richard Miller to write more great reviews/articles on uphpu.org |
| 23:57.33 | influx^^ | We need more people like [insert surname of popular democratic or republican nominee] to shake things up. |
| 23:58.16 | influx^^ | More [insert positive thing here], less [insert negative thing here]!!! |
| 23:58.16 | wps | jbot, praise Richard Miller |
| 23:58.16 | jbot | All hail Richard Miller! |
