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15:41.54timinatormorning guys
15:42.03timinatoreveryone have a good new year?
15:44.48orsonjyep, except for throwing off my sleep schedule :)
15:45.23orsonjAnd I don't feel like watching Stargate for a while
15:56.40timinatorLOL
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16:00.00Utah_Davemorning everyone
16:02.17timinatormorning Dave
16:04.59mindjujumorning gents
16:05.17RedHeronI'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
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16:08.10SunSparcHappy New Year everyone!!
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16:31.53Utah_Davequestion for you Mac aficionados
16:32.42Utah_DaveI'm setting up some file shares on a linux server. What's better for OS 9 and OS X?   Samba or NFS?
16:35.58SunSparcHmmm
16:36.29SunSparcI have personally never used NFS.
16:36.52SunSparcBut Samba has worked well in OS X.
16:37.39SunSparcThat question might get some good results at the Apple Discussion boards:  http://discussions.apple.com/
16:37.48Utah_DaveI was just wondering because I ran into an issue where a client locked up my Linux server hard by copying a file from OS 9 that had some foreign characters up onto the file share
16:37.58Utah_Davethanks for the link, SunSparc.
16:38.09dataw0lfI'm sure there are problems with NFS on OS X.
16:38.15SunSparcNp
16:38.19dataw0lfI'd probably be inclined to use Samba.
16:38.39SunSparcMac OS is extremely lenient in naming conventions.
16:38.54Utah_Daveyeah, that's what I figured
16:39.19Utah_DaveOK, we're probably going to continue to use Samba, then
16:40.02SunSparcYou might check if Samba has some kind of character checking mechanisms.
16:42.34dataw0lfnone that I know of.
16:43.45dataw0lfsamba should use unicode, but I don't know about OS 9 clients.
16:43.50dataw0lfwhat version are you using Dave?
16:45.13SunSparcYou might also ask around on #samba
16:51.06Utah_Davedataw0lf: I have a client that has several OS 9 clients. I'm not sure what version exactly
16:51.45Utah_DaveActually, it wasn't linux that locked up. It was Windows 2000 Server. We're moving to Samba. I'm not thinking straight
16:51.57dataw0lfahh.
16:52.05Utah_DaveI was planning on moving to Samba because of that lockup issue
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17:29.22mgeary2007. what a year
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17:34.44Lone_Wanderermacnewbold: ping
17:41.38macnewboldLone_Wanderer: pong
17:42.48Lone_Wandereryay
17:42.59macnewboldhehe
17:43.02macnewboldsorry :)
17:43.06Lone_WandererHow closely are you working with the LinkingUniverse project?
17:43.12Lone_WandererNo problem.
17:43.42macnewboldpretty closely, though one of our guys is doing a lot of the work
17:43.59Lone_WandererApparently Eric (sp?) wrote some code to hash the work history data
17:44.07macnewboldyeah, he's the guy
17:44.10Lone_Wandererkk
17:44.23Lone_Wandererwhat's the problem that hashing it is supposed to solve?
17:45.09macnewboldit was simply for generating a unique ID that could identify the same job as we pull it the next time, since facebook doesn't give a unique ID for job history items, just names and dates
17:45.16Lone_Wandererkk
17:59.58Lone_Wanderermacnewbold: Do you know where the code for it is by any chance?
18:01.05macnewboldLone_Wanderer: I think it is index.php
18:01.19macnewboldthere are a bunch of functions in there that help with this stuff
18:01.26macnewboldthough actually,
18:01.34macnewboldthat part might instead be in the profile folder
18:01.36Lone_WandererMaybe I need to check again, then.
18:01.43macnewboldwhich may be under biz whatever
18:01.50Lone_WandererI've looked all over the profile folder and haven't been able to find it.
18:02.02macnewboldhm, I'll get logged in and see if I can see it
18:02.11macnewboldyou could grep for table names and see where they occur perhaps
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18:21.34timinatorBRB
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18:54.32mgeary~yow
18:57.38mgearyit was Professor Plum in the Library with THE FALAFL!
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19:06.04orsonjdeep fried beans? sounds.....good
19:06.17orsonjman, I better get some lunch before stranger things start sounding good.
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20:23.27timinatorI just gave someone an analogy for OOP..... what do you all think of it:   OOP is like Harry Potter's wand: the wand is the Object, the spells said while swishing the wand are the methods/functions
20:28.10RedHeronIsh.
20:28.23Lone_WandererAlthough that requires that the person be familiar with Platonic ideals in the first place.
20:28.39Lone_WandererOr that they be relatively intelligent and able to grasp the concept.
20:29.14RedHeronI think that last one is the key.
20:29.55Lone_WandererWell, explaining platonic ideals isn't a difficult or lengthy proposition.
20:30.04Lone_WandererBut it requires someone to be semi-intelligent.
20:30.12RedHeronRight.
20:30.26RedHeronA sense of humor also helps.
20:30.38Lone_WandererWhat's humor got to do with philosophy?
20:30.44mgearydo Red Herons eat Red Herrings?
20:31.08RedHeronmgeary: only if it's not Red #40
20:31.30RedHeronLone_Wanderer: think plural on that word: "humors"
20:41.06mindjuju~yow
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20:43.49timinatorLOL
20:51.17timinatorLone_Wanderer: so, how would you explain the "Platonic Ideal"
20:51.33Lone_WandererImagine a cat.
20:51.39Lone_WandererGot it?
20:55.38timinatoran orange cat
20:55.45timinatora kickable orange cat
20:55.48Lone_WandererOkay.  How do you know it's a cat?
20:55.51timinatorbig and fluffy
20:56.08timinatorbecause of prior experience w/ cats
20:56.31timinatorand pleanty of documentation on cats
20:56.33Lone_WandererYou know it's a cat because you have an idea in your head
20:56.38timinatoryes
20:56.52Lone_Wandererthat's the platonic ideal
20:57.07Lone_Wandererthe idea you have in your head
20:57.24Lone_Wandererevery real cat is an instance of the platonic idea cat
20:57.30timinatorI can see how some might get confused :)
20:57.33Lone_Wandererjust as objects are instances of classes
20:57.58timinatorI like my wand analogy better  :)
20:58.18timinatorbut that's more about objects vs methods rather than classes vs objects
20:58.38Lone_Wandereryeah
20:58.53SunSparcAnyone here play with OpenID's?
20:59.29jsmithJust a bit
21:00.21SunSparcjsmith: Have you set up your own identity server or used an existing popular one?
21:03.22jsmithSunSparc: I'm using Verisign's... pip.verisignlabs.com
21:03.58SunSparcThat is good.  They have a trustworthy name.
21:04.27SunSparcI have been thinking of setting up my own id server.  Just for fun.
21:04.27jsmithYup
21:13.38mgearyping dataw0lf
21:26.10Lone_WandererOkay this is not good.
21:26.20Lone_WandererFacebook needs to make some kind of easy typeahead ajax thing.
21:26.49Lone_Wandererbecause just dumping out hugenormous lists of things is not going to make me or my  users happy
21:29.44Lone_WandererI guess I could just use javascript to... no, that's retarded.
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21:32.18dataw0lfmgeary: hm?
21:32.43mgearyhey dude. was looking for some python support, but the folks over at #utahpython are lending a hand
21:32.58dataw0lfah word.
21:33.23dataw0lflet me know if you still need help.
21:33.29mgearydanke
21:34.00Lone_Wandererdw did you see the xkcd comic on python?
21:34.03Lone_WandererThe most recent one, anyway.
21:35.24dataw0lfyea.
21:37.08Lone_WandererYou know, I'm half tempted to steal Facebook's JS for this type-ahead thing.
21:52.21dataw0lfoh man
21:52.29dataw0lfthe two tiger attack survivors had sling shots on them
21:54.15_psychic_I heard they were dangling legs over the barrier
21:54.54Lone_WandererSounds like they were probably shooting the tiger with rocks or something too.
21:55.48SunSparcSounds like fun
21:56.45_psychic_except the part where you get killed by an angry animal
21:57.11dataw0lftoo bad two survived
21:57.13_psychic_maybe they'll get a darwin award
21:57.30dataw0lfor at least sterilized.
21:57.31SunSparcWell, I am sure it was at least an adventure for them.
21:58.03SunSparcIf they were pestering the animal then perhaps they should be put down instead of the animal.
21:58.29dataw0lfthey would've if the cops hadn't intervened.
21:58.38dataw0lfI think the tiger was well on her way of "putting them down"
21:58.51_psychic_6' under
21:59.12SunSparcAs I understand it, that is what tigers do.  :)
21:59.28dataw0lfespecially when hit with some slingshots by some idiots
21:59.31dataw0lfpoor tiger :\
21:59.39Lone_Wandereryeah :(
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22:47.09thebigdogkinda funny, has some language http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html
22:48.57wpsI'm looking for someone that I can outsource the creation (and by that I mean editing content in a template… very easy) of HTML emails too
22:49.05wpsanyone interested? anyone know anyone that would be?
22:49.18thebigdogLone_Wanderer can do it
22:50.24Lone_Wanderereh? what?
22:50.38wpsthebigdog says you have a speciality
22:50.40Lone_WandererOh.  Yes, I can.  But you can't afford my services I'm afraid.
22:50.50wpscompany is paying… I don't care what it costs
22:50.57thebigdoghehe
22:50.57mgearywell hey
22:51.02mgearyif you don't care what it costs...
22:51.04mgearyi'll do it
22:51.05Lone_WandererOh yes.  Yes, I do have a specialty.
22:51.10wps:)
22:51.14wpsI just don't want to do them anymore
22:51.16Lone_WandererHowever I am... indisposed.
22:51.17wpssuch a waste of time
22:51.27Lone_Wandererokay $100 an hour.
22:51.37Lone_WandererPlus you have to provide me with a laptop to work on.
22:51.43timinatorI'm in
22:51.49mgeary actually, wps, i might have someone less expensive than Lone_Wanderer...
22:52.41PoeticIntensityI'll charge the cheap (and Lone_Wanderer beating) price of only $99.99 / hr.
22:53.05PoeticIntensityand you'll only have to provide me a desktop. :)
22:54.02wpsalso, my team is still desperately looking for a web app engineer
22:54.05wpsfull time
22:54.14PoeticIntensityI know a guy.
22:54.30PoeticIntensityHe's actually wanted to apply for that job, but he's uncertain...
22:54.41PoeticIntensityHis job now is ... stressful.
22:54.54PoeticIntensityHe might wanna jump over if you contacted him. :)
22:55.10_psychic_wps: define "web app engineer"
22:58.04wpshttp://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu-jobs/2007-December/000149.html
22:58.43wpsgreat team… good pay… good benefits… very successful company… great product
22:59.07_psychic_doesn't mention pay or product
22:59.17wpspay is on there
22:59.21wpswhat do you mean by product?
22:59.29_psychic_"great product"
22:59.39wpsomniture: web analytics and business optimization
22:59.46_psychic_oh you work there?
22:59.47_psychic_nice
22:59.56_psychic_I have a few friends there
22:59.58wpsthis position isn't developing our product though
23:00.04wpsthis position is in marketing
23:00.07wpsbut I think that that is a plus
23:00.08timinatorLone_Wanderer: you leaving?
23:00.20wpsyou won't be a lemming in a sea of hundred of engineers
23:00.30wpsyou'd be on a team of three developing web applications
23:00.37wpsdatabase and backend work
23:00.45Lone_WandererI am yeah.
23:00.53_psychic_cool
23:00.56wps"the execution of all technology integrations, marketing application development, website backend and database management"
23:01.05Lone_WandererGoing to be a "something other than web developer".
23:01.20_psychic_"the execution of all technology integrations"  <== meaningless  :)
23:01.44_psychic_I've heard good things about omniture though
23:03.12timinatorLone_Wanderer: what's your plan? do you have a plan?
23:03.26_psychic_wasn't it piloting or something?
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23:03.36Lone_WandererYeah.  Step 1: Join the military.  Step 2: ????  Step 3: New career!
23:03.43Lone_WandererYeah, I'm going to be a helicopter pilot.
23:03.48_psychic_for the military?
23:04.17Lone_WandererThe route is turning out to be circ... not-straight.
23:04.29Lone_WandererI hope to be a military pilot.
23:04.35wpswhere does the day go?
23:04.44wpsI can't believe it's already 16:00
23:04.50Lone_WandererBut if I don't get the WO slot, I'll still have the college money from the GI bill.
23:04.57Lone_Wanderer1600.  There's no : in military time.
23:05.09wpsthere is on my clock
23:05.13Lone_WandererDROP AND GIVE ME 20 PRIVATE, AND THEN DO IT AGAIN RIGHT!
23:05.16Lone_WandererYour clock is wrong.
23:05.46Lone_WandererI just wanted an excuse to yell.
23:05.53wpshttp://screencast.com/t/NjlAcjEE
23:05.55Lone_WandererIn text.
23:06.37mgearymost of Europe (at the very least) used HH:MM format (as opposed to hh:MM a) ;)
23:06.47mgearys/used/uses/
23:07.13Lone_WandererDoes PHP now infer the ?> at the end of a file if you forget it?
23:07.16Lone_WandererAnd has it always?
23:07.29_psychic_yeah for a while
23:07.35Lone_Wandererk
23:07.36_psychic_not the best practice if you ask me
23:07.59mgearyjeeze yeah. that should throw a parse error IMO
23:08.32_psychic_it might in strict mode.
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23:10.07Lone_WandererI'm used to it doing so.
23:15.31Lone_WandererSo... OOP.  Not my strong point.
23:15.47Lone_WandererIf I create a MySQL function (this is PHP 5) within a class's constructor
23:16.01Lone_Wanderererr not function
23:16.03Lone_Wandererconnection
23:16.33Lone_Wandererdo I need to grab the link that's created and assign it to a... I forget the technical term, but a variable within the object
23:16.53Lone_Wandereror can I just let it kind of float around as the "most recently opened connection" so it'll get used by default?
23:20.00mgearyis this class specifically designed to manage your DB connection?
23:21.39_psychic_singleton-ize it
23:22.38Lone_Wandererno, it's not
23:22.53mgearythen you probably shouldn't be opening the DB connection there
23:23.47mgearyif you want to be OOP, then make a (possibly static/singleton) class to open/close your DB connection. if you don't want/need to be OOP, then open the connection in whatever config/startup file you include in every other page
23:23.54mgearyi use a DB class
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23:28.12mgearywell, it will work if you rely on the "use last opened connection". it's just better form to do that in a logical place. It doesn't make for a super robust architecture, but it'll work
23:29.05mgearyugh. the way you say that makes me wonder if you have fifty mysql_connect() statements in one project :/
23:29.15mgearybut i'm suuuure you don't
23:29.28timinator:)
23:29.31thebigdoghehe...php singleton...that is funny
23:29.53mgearytiminator, you could still take that approach with a class. Just check to see if the connection has been initialized, and if so, use it. if not initialize it
23:30.10_psychic_thebigdog: just because it doesn't stay in memory really long doesn't make it less a singleton
23:30.17thebigdoghehe
23:30.55timinator$this->_db_connect(); $sql stuff; mysql_close();
23:31.09thebigdogsingleton = 1 object instantiated in a system
23:31.31mgearytiminator: so for every query, you're incurring the overhead of a new open/close sequence?
23:31.50timinatorno, I'll have several queries in a line....
23:32.05timinatorbut I'll just push the DB data into an array
23:32.07_psychic_thebigdog: define "system" ;)
23:32.35thebigdogthat its...however "system" is defined
23:32.46timinatorthen close the connection, and then loop through the arrays to push it into the display
23:32.53Lone_WandererWow.  It... worked.  I think.
23:33.05Lone_WandererOn the first... no.  This can't be right.
23:34.45timinatormgeary, are you telling me that you connect to the DB when you initiate your Object, then leave the connection open for any possible SQL request?
23:34.56thebigdogi find it more of an anti-pattern
23:36.00Lone_WandererIt worked the first time.
23:36.04Lone_WandererWhich makes me nervous.
23:36.13mgearytiminator: i do
23:36.20timinator:)
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23:36.48mgearyi have a disconnect in my deconstructor
23:36.51Jacob_Kerranyone familiar with the following error: "unexpected $end in..."?
23:36.52mgearybut that's overkill ;)
23:37.13timinatoram I the only oddball? that doesn't like to keep a needless connection running?
23:38.02_psychic_it's expensive to close and reopen
23:38.11mgearywell, the question is, is it "needless" ?
23:38.20Lone_WandererJacob_Kerr: You're going to the line number it gives you, right?
23:38.22Lone_WandererPost the code.
23:38.56Jacob_KerrWell it's a lot of code..
23:39.05Lone_WandererNot here.  dpaste.org
23:39.17Lone_Wanderer.com.  whatever.
23:42.32Jacob_Kerrhttp://dpaste.com/29692/
23:42.36Jacob_KerrI am using eval..
23:42.47Jacob_Kerrso it says line one but everything is on line 1
23:42.49Lone_Wanderereval is evil
23:42.56Lone_Wandererdon't use it
23:42.57Jacob_Kerrhttp://www.massagetableoutlet.com/shopatron_cart.php
23:43.01Lone_Wandererproblem solved ;)
23:43.09Jacob_KerrWell I do not kow how else I can do what I need to do..
23:43.27_psychic_eval("eval(" . implode($_POST) . ");");
23:43.37Lone_WandererSolve that problem first, then the one you have now will be obviated.
23:43.46Lone_WandererI just earned myself a cookie for using "obviate" in a sentence.
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23:45.02thebigdogi would move my comments into <?php
23:45.55thebigdogis that function suppose to be outside the <??>
23:46.10thebigdog2 functions i mean
23:46.29thebigdogok i see
23:46.33thebigdogyou have it all broken up
23:46.49Lone_WandererWhat's the problem you're trying to solve by using eval?
23:47.07Lone_WandererI can't read all that code right now buy maybe if you summarize it....
23:47.58thebigdogi dont think your eval looks right
23:48.14Jacob_KerrI think i figured it out..
23:48.24Jacob_Kerrcrud.
23:50.15mgeary~cookie Lone_Wanderer
23:50.55Lone_WandererNothing!  Because I ate them all.  I want cookies tonight.
23:52.41Jacob_KerrYeah np. I think I will get it figured out. :)
23:57.36timinator:)
23:57.51Lone_Wanderervalium?
23:57.59timinatoryes
23:58.13timinatordang spell checker
23:58.32Lone_Wandererwow
23:58.37Lone_Wanderermy boss just ran out
23:59.12Lone_WandererHe got a phone call.  "Hi.  WHAT?  Oh... well...  I'll be right there.  Find a fire extinguisher or something."
23:59.21mgearyuh oh
23:59.23_psychic_!
23:59.24Lone_Wanderer"Is everything okay?"  "No.  My daughter's car is on fire."
23:59.28timinatornot good
23:59.39Lone_WandererCar on fire > house on fire.
23:59.46timinatoryes

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