IRC log for #uphpu on 20071229

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00:02.07tierramindjuju: yeah
00:02.53mindjujuhey, yesterday you sent a link for a group on last.fm, wasn't sure how it worked
00:03.03mindjujudoes it let us make our own channels and link them there?
00:06.15tierrait doesn't let you run your own radio if that's what you're asking
00:07.23dataw0lfmindjuju: it's a web interface which you connect to with your media player and it updates with what songs you've played
00:07.47dataw0lfkeeps a running history
00:07.55mindjujuoh hey, that cool!
00:08.57tierrayeah, it tracks your listening habits... keeps statistics, and can make recommendations/suggestions, keep you informed about local shows related to the type of music you listen to, etc...
00:09.19dataw0lftierra proposed to last.fm, but she turned him down :(
00:09.20mindjujucurious
00:09.49mindjujui thought what i'd do was i'd pretend to be one of those deaf mutes ?
00:10.01dataw0lfI always tell him, "last.fm is evil - it could be turned against us by the terrorists"
00:10.14dataw0lfI mean if they find out that none of us listening to David Hasselhoff, that could be their next vector of attack.
00:10.14tierrait has streams you can listen to with the type of music you listen to, or the type of music a group listens to, etc... but that's paid subscription
00:10.27tierramindjuju: yeah
00:10.47mindjuju:)
00:11.21mindjujui like the avatar, did you come up with it??
00:12.35tierrana, it's from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
00:12.58tierrathe text is quoted from Catcher in the Rye
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01:48.06mindjujuit truly amazes me how dumb people are
01:48.53mindjujupeople always complaining about how their stuff never sells on eBay, well here is why http://cgi.ebay.com/Geotrax-Roundhouse_W0QQitemZ300184572393QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item300184572393   AND http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2264950
01:49.10mindjujuyup, you can get the same thing from a real store for less and with less shipping cost
01:49.14mindjujuduh!
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02:29.54jgiboneySo what's up with tasers?
02:30.13PoeticIntensitywps changed the topic and forgot to change it back. :)
02:30.18jgiboneylol
02:30.18PoeticIntensitywe were having a discussion about em' earlier.
02:30.56influx^^/topic m.a.s.e.r.s
02:30.57influx^^.
02:44.28mindjujuk, this is freakin' cool - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggqg6q5xegE&feature=related
02:45.42mindjujui take it back, this is better - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqVh4_Qc-ic&feature=related
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03:34.26jgiboneyis it possible to center a bunch of floating object?
03:34.26wpsjgiboney: is seems like all we talk about in here is tasers
03:34.51jgiboneytasers is a good subject
03:41.25jgiboneyor maybe the better question is, do css margins reset when the window resizes?
03:41.55RedHeronjgiboney, depends on the browser, I think, on that one.
03:44.25jgiboneyi was asked to try to get these movies to center, but I can't figure how http://forodeherbales.com/edge/movies.php
03:45.49jgiboneyand keep them so that they expand to the width of the screen
03:45.55RedHeronPut them into a table, center the table?
03:45.58RedHeronOh.
03:46.08jgiboneysorry, i should have typed that faster
03:46.23jgiboneylol
03:47.39RedHeronI think Flash Video can expand to the content, just make it width=100%
03:47.44RedHeronAnd height=100%
03:47.58RedHeronAspect ratio can be a problem.
03:48.00RedHeronhrmmmm.
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05:15.50mgearyh'lo folks
05:15.56jgiboneyhello
05:16.10mgearyany Mac/iTunes fans around?
05:19.52mgearyah, found a workaround. nm
05:19.55mgearylater!
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05:29.25jgiboneyFor those who are still awake, is it possible to have two mysql full text searches in one statement?
05:42.30RedHeronNot that I'm aware of.
05:43.05jgiboneyso am I going to have to do two sqls and merge the two results?
05:43.23RedHeronI think so, just because it's fulltext.
05:43.46jgiboneywell, that stinks, but oh well
05:43.59RedHeronThink of the capacity of fulltext and then think of how a machine might bog if it had to deal with a large entry or 12.
05:45.50jgiboneyya, that wouldn't be fun, but I need the ability for people to find movies without having to know the exact name of the movie
05:46.07jgiboneylike Spider-man is usually going to be searched for as spiderman
05:50.41RedHeronTell it to ignore punctuation
05:50.47RedHeronregexp
05:51.28jgiboneyexcept that the title of the movie is Spider-man, so the database has to have it that way
05:52.06jgiboneyi think i am just going to make the alternate thing more exact instead of a full text search
05:52.34RedHeronI still say regexp matching
05:52.42RedHeronIgnore the punctuation and whitespaces
05:53.05jgiboneyhow do you put redexp into mysql
05:54.14RedHeronUse PHP to parse similar name structures beginning with the same letter.
05:54.40jgiboneyso i would have to return my whole database out of mysql
05:55.20RedHeronJust the first-letter matches, and just the one column in one table.
05:55.39RedHeronHave the names in one table, the links with those names in another.
05:55.53jgiboneybut i need to match multiple words also
05:56.01RedHeronSuch as?
05:56.06jgiboneyToy Story
05:56.16jgiboneysomeone types in boy story or somthing
05:56.29jgiboneyi still want to catch the story
05:56.35RedHeronThat would require more in-depth coding.
05:56.45RedHeronAnd yes, that *would* mean parsing the whole database.
05:56.47jgiboneywhich is why i am using full text
05:57.19RedHeronThe only other option I see is human.
06:34.57jgiboneyOkay, you can have two full text searches in one statement, i just haven't figured out how to make it work for me
06:35.14jgiboneywell i can't figure out the "or" yet
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17:04.07jgiboneyI can'
17:04.31jgiboneyt believe you people are getting the same results in IE and Firefox
17:04.44jgiboneyIt is so wierd
17:08.28wpswhat's your screen resolution? is IE maximized?
17:08.44jgiboneymaximized 1024 x 768
17:09.10jgiboneyall of those elements are floating, it shouldn't decide what is in there and what isn't
17:11.01jgiboneyI just figured it out
17:11.07jgiboneysorry
17:11.20wpswhen I view at that resolution I only get four across
17:11.54jgiboneyand two underneath?
17:12.03wpsyeah
17:12.09wpsit's not wide enough to display all of them
17:12.17jgiboneyit has something to do with a cookie and the ratings
17:12.29jgiboneyi know what the problem is now
17:12.34wpsit does?
17:12.49wpsfrom what I can see there just isn't enough horizontal space to display that many across
17:12.54jgiboneyya, this app has the ability to turn off certain ratings
17:13.18wpsI'm don't know how a cookie could give you any more horizontal space
17:13.23jgiboneyit wasn't about the space, it was that I was only getting four of the six movies period
17:13.38jgiboneytwo weren't showing
17:13.56jgiboneyI had the "r" rated movies turned off in a cookie
17:14.03wpsoh
17:14.18jgiboneyit was wierd because a friend of mine, must have had the same setting
17:14.28jgiboneywe both were only getting four movies
17:14.34jgiboneysorry about that
17:14.54jgiboneybut at least I figured it out
17:15.00wpsyeah
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20:09.44RedHeronR
20:09.46RedHeron?
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21:16.11RedHeronWe're so off-topic it's unreal.
21:16.30orsonjhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20071228/020818.shtml
21:18.04orsonjbasically, it seems like people got tweaked about the 2o7.net addr (when used like 192.168.112.2o7.net)
21:18.40orsonjpersonaly it reminds me of the borg (2 of 7)
21:18.47RedHeronYep, that would violate corporate security policy where I work.
21:25.12jgiboneyIs there a way to put post data in a <a>
21:28.14orsonjjust get data as far as I know.
21:28.47jgiboneydoes PHP_SELF contain the post data?
21:34.58orsonjdoesn't look like it
21:38.33RedHeronPHP_POST is the only place, really, to reliably grab the post data.
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21:39.17RedHeronAnd you can check by referring your page to itself, checking for and validating the data, and then issuing a redirect to the next page.
21:40.52RedHeronOr, you can simply drop it into a temporary table, then validate it, then go to the next page and retireve it.
21:43.23RedHeronAnd $_POST is far better than $_GET for security, though checks are still needed because it's not perfect and can be poisoned.
21:48.44orsonjI would argue against post being _far_ better than get for security, but it is slightly better as is isn't cached as often
21:49.57RedHeronorsonj: only if you want browser poisoning instead of cache cracking.
21:50.28RedHeron$_GET is passed via the browser URL.
21:51.22orsonjI guess it is easier to pass around urls rather than forms
21:51.46orsonjI was thinking more for server security rather than user security
21:51.54RedHeronSecurity is security.
21:52.23RedHeronThough if we're talking about server security, if your caches are vulnerable, the problem isn't with PHP.
21:56.49orsonjI was thinking it is just as easy to fake get data as it is to fake post data from a hacker's point of view. What are the other implications of using get vs post?
22:13.09RedHeronWell, think of it from the perspective of someone using a library computer rather than a home system.
22:33.01RedHeronLibrary system with a jailed browser vs. home user with tools and knowledge.
22:34.00RedHeron$_GET leaves it open with virtually nothing more than a browser and a little second-hand knowledge.
22:34.28RedHeron$_POST requires more in-depth knowledge, and is therefore "safer" because of the level of understanding required to poison it.
22:35.21RedHeronBoth require security measures to be taken in the code, so both shouldn't be trusted as "safe".
22:35.39RedHeronIf that makes sense.
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