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| 00:23.20 | influx^^ | how so? |
| 00:24.21 | PoeticIntensity | yo, dataw0lf (not a sarcastic question, just an uninformed one).... |
| 00:24.26 | PoeticIntensity | What do you think of global warming? |
| 00:29.07 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: Well I think it's definitely happening, and that humanity is contributing to it considerably. Is it as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Who knows. It's bad, and I definitely think stricter corporate green policies need to be enforced, but I think there are bigger problems involving our oil dependency then how it warms the earth. |
| 00:29.39 | PoeticIntensity | good answer! I was just honestly wondering. |
| 00:30.09 | dataw0lf | no problem. I don't have any issue explaining my positions (and I didn't think you were being snide at all). |
| 00:30.18 | PoeticIntensity | nothing snide about it. |
| 00:30.22 | PoeticIntensity | Just curious... |
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| 00:30.44 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not sure what I think yet, but something that strikes me as odd is how long we've actually been able to monitor the earth's temperature... |
| 00:31.10 | PoeticIntensity | seems a bit pompous of humanity to think we can have such a profound effect on earth with such little data. |
| 00:31.18 | dataw0lf | well we take core samples from glaciers and the arctic to determine temperature thousands of years ago. |
| 00:31.49 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... However, you're talking to a guy who is pretty skeptical about the scientific method in general.... |
| 00:32.11 | PoeticIntensity | I know it works, but I think we take ourselves as being "right" a bit too much. |
| 00:32.29 | dataw0lf | the scientific method? Or science? The scientific method I don't understand being skeptical about, but science, certainly. Being skeptical about science is what science is all about. |
| 00:33.00 | PoeticIntensity | During the 70's, it seems I remember hearing that a new "ice age" was coming upon us, and we should start preparing for it. |
| 00:33.19 | dataw0lf | you were reading scientific articles in the seventies? |
| 00:33.24 | PoeticIntensity | nope... |
| 00:33.29 | PoeticIntensity | but I talk to people who were. |
| 00:33.32 | dataw0lf | that's one article that anti global warming people bring up that was a hypothesis. |
| 00:34.06 | dataw0lf | as opposed to thousands of peer reviewed articles citing the effects and causes of global warming. |
| 00:34.20 | PoeticIntensity | I'm just intrigued at how often scientists (who all believe in the same methodology) come up with opposing viewpoints. |
| 00:34.32 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not surprised by it, but.... |
| 00:35.02 | dataw0lf | well there's often a general consesus in the scientific community about things. Like global warming, evolution. But there's always going to be a small but vocal minority that will state the opposite. |
| 00:35.16 | PoeticIntensity | definitely causes some trepidation in me about our own ability to accurately determine stuff.... |
| 00:35.35 | PoeticIntensity | that's true.... (and I know I'm being general).... I'm just investigating with an extremely open mind. |
| 00:37.11 | PoeticIntensity | I guess I just see blunders science has made in the past by assuming things were as they are, when in fact they weren't - and it leads me to believe that with everything we know, there is *much* more which we don't - and have to assume. |
| 00:37.54 | PoeticIntensity | and sometimes stuff we "know" is right is based on assumptions which might come as being completely incorrect. |
| 00:38.57 | PoeticIntensity | Stuff they're finding out about black holes now shoots holes in previously-thought correct principles of the universe - which if based upon would disprove the existence of these black holes... |
| 00:39.01 | PoeticIntensity | (if that made any sense at all) |
| 00:39.31 | PoeticIntensity | I'm just really skeptical about stuff we think we "know" based on science. |
| 00:39.40 | PoeticIntensity | mostly just fringe stuff... |
| 00:40.10 | PoeticIntensity | however, I'll have to admit - this whole global warming thing fits quite nicely into a "fringe" thing... at least for me. |
| 00:40.21 | PoeticIntensity | but who knows... |
| 00:41.28 | PoeticIntensity | wow.... I apparently had a lot to say about that.... must be about time to leave for the day. |
| 00:42.09 | dataw0lf | well black holes aren't based on observational science whatsoever, except for the observation of what black holes do their environs/surroundings. |
| 00:42.21 | dataw0lf | astrophysics has a lot of guesswork. You have to assume x = y, etc |
| 00:42.53 | dataw0lf | while climatologists have had a huge number of observational science key moments in the past three or four decades. |
| 00:43.12 | PoeticIntensity | True... |
| 00:43.37 | dataw0lf | don't get me wrong, I don't swear to any scientific theory proposed, or necessarily to a consensus made by scientists. |
| 00:43.44 | PoeticIntensity | Most climatologists also seemed to think that 2007 would be a horrendous year as far as hurricanes were concerned. |
| 00:43.49 | dataw0lf | However, global warming itself seems pretty clear cut. |
| 00:44.03 | dataw0lf | You're thinking meteorologists. |
| 00:44.06 | PoeticIntensity | thank you. |
| 00:44.08 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 00:44.11 | dataw0lf | Meteorologists can't predict anything. |
| 00:44.17 | dataw0lf | Climatology is different. |
| 00:44.22 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
| 00:45.05 | dataw0lf | most people seem hung up on the fact that a microscience like meteorology can be less predictable and theorized than a macroscience like climatology. |
| 00:45.16 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not very educated in the whole global warming thing, and I must admit - I have a lot of conservative friends... so... |
| 00:45.25 | dataw0lf | But that's actually a de facto standard in observational science, especially anything involving the Earth. |
| 00:45.27 | PoeticIntensity | But, I'm also fairly open-minded. |
| 00:45.51 | dataw0lf | I don't see why global warming is a liberal/conservative thing. |
| 00:45.58 | PoeticIntensity | well.. me either.... |
| 00:46.16 | PoeticIntensity | however, most conservatives seem to think (at least the ones I know) that it's a bunch of crap. |
| 00:46.17 | dataw0lf | I get that some people want to question evolution because they tend to take a literal application/review of the Bible (which tends to sway to the conservative side) |
| 00:47.15 | dataw0lf | you can admit that you don't want more caps on emissions and realize that global warming isn't bogus. |
| 00:47.29 | dataw0lf | I just don't get it |
| 00:48.00 | PoeticIntensity | yeah..... |
| 00:48.24 | PoeticIntensity | anyway... thanks for entertaining my question :) |
| 00:48.27 | dataw0lf | yup. |
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| 00:59.55 | Utah_Dave | ~fastattack mindjuju |
| 01:00.01 | Utah_Dave | darn |
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| 01:03.54 | Utah_Dave | ~water mindjuju |
| 01:04.08 | mindjuju | ~nyuk utah_dave |
| 01:04.08 | jbot | ACTION grabs utah_dave nose and hammers it with his other hand! |
| 01:04.17 | dataw0lf | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 01:04.17 | jbot | ACTION launches the Knee of the Crippled Roosters and smiles at mindjuju's pain |
| 01:04.19 | Utah_Dave | ~whoopie mindjuju |
| 01:04.26 | mindjuju | ~bdhit utah_dave |
| 01:04.27 | jbot | ACTION and mindjuju demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on utah_dave's forehead |
| 01:04.27 | Utah_Dave | ~dhit dataw0lf |
| 01:04.27 | jbot | ACTION appears on dataw0lf's left side and performs the Ricer Slayer Blow upon dataw0lf's shoulder |
| 01:04.40 | Utah_Dave | ~smack mindjuju |
| 01:04.41 | jbot | ACTION smacks mindjuju upside the head. |
| 01:04.43 | dataw0lf | NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo......... |
| 01:04.50 | mindjuju | ~jattack utah_dave |
| 01:04.51 | jbot | ACTION reprograms utah_dave phone to be the new AOL support line |
| 01:04.58 | Utah_Dave | ~melvin mindjuju |
| 01:04.58 | jbot | ACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 01:05.05 | mindjuju | ~jattack utah_dave |
| 01:05.06 | jbot | ACTION starts to capture utah_dave VOIP packets and post them to the web |
| 01:05.19 | Utah_Dave | ~fart mindjuju dataw0lf |
| 01:05.19 | jbot | ACTION farts in mindjuju dataw0lf's general direction |
| 01:05.29 | mindjuju | that jsmith attack (jattack) is really pretty good, almost like the timattack |
| 01:05.33 | mindjuju | ~timattack utah_dave |
| 01:05.34 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to go postal on utah_dave! |
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| 01:05.56 | Utah_Dave | ~wpsattack mindjuju |
| 01:05.56 | jbot | ACTION grabs mindjuju's global.css and starts to chastise mindjuju! |
| 01:06.07 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 01:06.13 | Utah_Dave | ~sliime dataw0lf |
| 01:06.15 | mindjuju | ~macattack utah_dave |
| 01:06.16 | jbot | ACTION uses a paperclip to hotwire utah_dave's car! |
| 01:06.31 | Utah_Dave | ~brastoattack mindjuju |
| 01:06.48 | mindjuju | i haven't gotten around to everybody |
| 01:07.09 | Utah_Dave | ~brasto mindjuju |
| 01:07.27 | Utah_Dave | and my all time favorite |
| 01:07.35 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 01:07.36 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 01:07.42 | mindjuju | blows the air to synic |
| 01:13.11 | Utah_Dave | ~dufus |
| 01:13.19 | Utah_Dave | ~help |
| 01:13.35 | mindjuju | ? |
| 01:14.01 | Utah_Dave | ~freshmeat |
| 01:14.01 | jbot | it has been said that freshmeat is at http://www.freshmeat.net |
| 01:14.15 | Utah_Dave | ~md5 mindjuju |
| 01:14.16 | mindjuju | yipes! 6:10p, i've got to leave shortly, my has a meeting at 7p |
| 01:14.21 | mindjuju | cya'll |
| 01:14.25 | Utah_Dave | later |
| 01:15.03 | Utah_Dave | ~uptime |
| 01:15.09 | Utah_Dave | ~time |
| 01:15.10 | jbot | i heard time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2007.12.19 1:15:10 GMT |
| 01:15.56 | Utah_Dave | ~cpustats |
| 01:15.56 | jbot | Total CPU usage: 21388.5 s ... Total used: 2.4 % (parent/child ratio: 100.0 %) |
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| 01:22.41 | beandog | mm, gotta love rsync |
| 01:22.44 | beandog | when it works |
| 01:39.08 | beandog | :) |
| 01:39.13 | beandog | love for rsync all around |
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| 01:50.15 | beandog | whats everyone up to tonight |
| 01:50.30 | beandog | I think Im gonna be here for a few more hours working |
| 01:50.32 | beandog | -_- |
| 01:50.36 | beandog | no movies for you |
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| 02:17.47 | beandog | I think I have something growing in my ear |
| 02:21.21 | burnin | earwax |
| 02:21.24 | burnin | :) |
| 02:27.27 | beandog | that would be boring |
| 02:27.32 | beandog | I was hoping it was aliens coming to visit me |
| 02:27.41 | beandog | that reminds me |
| 02:27.47 | beandog | anyone ever seen the animated series of Star Trek? |
| 02:28.01 | beandog | I watched an episode last night for the first time, it was actually pretty good. |
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| 18:06.42 | GreatWhiteWizard | jbot welcome back |
| 18:06.43 | jbot | back, Sup yo? |
| 18:08.11 | mgeary | client had messed up their DB auth |
| 18:08.37 | mindjuj1 | ^5 Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:08.41 | mindjuj1 | sup bro |
| 18:09.05 | Lone_Wanderer | heya mindjuj1 |
| 18:09.11 | Lone_Wanderer | what's ^5? |
| 18:09.20 | mindjuj1 | high 5 |
| 18:09.26 | orsonj | the a/c in our office died and I've got a huge fan blowing on my face. My eyes are bugging me. |
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| 18:09.57 | mindjuju | just finished reading backlog |
| 18:10.21 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 18:10.22 | mindjuju | that pic of everybody in security formation in front of the bradley is freakin' awesome |
| 18:10.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah it looks cool |
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| 18:10.50 | Lone_Wanderer | but I keep thinking "grenade" |
| 18:11.18 | mindjuju | how long you going to be in town? |
| 18:12.03 | Lone_Wanderer | until Jan. 4th |
| 18:14.00 | mindjuju | i know i promised ya a LAN party before you took off for Boot, but it fell through, I wonder if we should do one 12/29? |
| 18:14.25 | mindjuju | maybe dataw0lf could come up if he ain't scared of me and my halo 2 skillz |
| 18:16.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. |
| 18:16.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if real life infantry skills translate to in-game infantry skills. |
| 18:16.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Of course, I'd have to have at least one partner to be able to use anything I learned. |
| 18:17.13 | orsonj | you say reminds me of grenades and that reminds me of the scene at the beginning of pirates 3. "Ready, Aim, <explosion>" |
| 18:17.21 | Utah_Dave | I work with a bunch of military guys |
| 18:17.31 | mindjuju | yeah, seems my taunting has scared off dataw0lf |
| 18:17.46 | mindjuju | so guys, what do ya'll think? LAN party all day on the 29th? |
| 18:17.47 | Utah_Dave | when we play Blackhawk down, we use real infantry tactics |
| 18:17.55 | Utah_Dave | it's fun |
| 18:18.02 | Lone_Wanderer | It just makes me think "grenade" because they're all in a tight group |
| 18:18.10 | Lone_Wanderer | one grenade would kill them all |
| 18:19.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Other than antiword and catdoc, are there any programs that read MS Word documents? |
| 18:19.50 | Utah_Dave | OpenOffice |
| 18:19.53 | Lone_Wanderer | on Unix that can be run from the command line |
| 18:20.15 | orsonj | strings? |
| 18:20.36 | Lone_Wanderer | :p |
| 18:20.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm hoping for something that will preserve, to some degree, the formatting in the Word doc. |
| 18:21.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Since I'm going to be handling resumes. |
| 18:21.29 | Lone_Wanderer | But I guess if plain text is as good as it gets, they might just have to deal with it. |
| 18:24.08 | orsonj | a quick google search brings up linbox-converter. that might be worth a look |
| 18:26.11 | orsonj | oh, wait. It uses an actual msoffice to print to ps to do convert |
| 18:26.49 | orsonj | interesting idea though. |
| 18:28.08 | orsonj | I wonder what google uses to convert word docs to their html format. |
| 18:28.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah I was wondering about that. |
| 18:28.29 | Lone_Wanderer | But I doubt an answer would be forthcoming. |
| 18:29.16 | orsonj | although you might be able to exploit that to convert for you. I don't know how easy it would be to script upload/download with google docs. |
| 18:30.06 | macnewbold | so what's the meeting on tomorrow, mindjuju? |
| 18:31.03 | mindjuju | no meeting tomorrow, website changed and mailing list emailed a couple of weeks ago, though i should send out a reminder saying no meeting |
| 18:31.13 | macnewbold | ~poke Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:31.14 | jbot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Lone_Wanderer, pokes Lone_Wanderer repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:31.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you know of any command line utilities, other than antiword and catdoc, that can read and interpret MS Word docs? |
| 18:31.39 | macnewbold | cool - I was just looking at the ical feed and it was still on there |
| 18:32.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm specifically looking for something that will maintain the formatting of the doc to some degree |
| 18:32.05 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: on windows there is a MS Word Reader you can get I think, or openoffice might be able to help if you sent it a print command or something |
| 18:32.06 | mindjuju | curious, let me check that |
| 18:32.25 | macnewbold | antiword can do it pretty decent sometimes - it can print to postscript |
| 18:32.37 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: can you use a Mac? |
| 18:32.41 | mgeary | TextEdit will do it on a Mac |
| 18:32.56 | Lone_Wanderer | It's got a -f flag that supposedly conserves bold, italic and underlining, but it's not working in my tests. |
| 18:33.29 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: It's got to run from a PHP script on a *nix server, so things I have to fiddle with manually aren't a good option. |
| 18:34.23 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:35.02 | Lone_Wanderer | random question, dataw0lf |
| 18:35.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Random question which may disturb some people... |
| 18:35.52 | Lone_Wanderer | There was a guy in my platoon who constantly had an expression on his face that made me want to hit him as hard as I could. |
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| 18:36.06 | Lone_Wanderer | No-one ever did, because we didn't want to get recycled. |
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| 18:36.38 | Lone_Wanderer | But when he gets to his unit, will there be people there who will? |
| 18:38.28 | bradym | hey mindjuju, what games would you be playing if this lan party happens? I'll be in UT for the holidays |
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| 18:40.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, retard moment. What's the command to print out all the PHP config stuff? |
| 18:40.54 | bradym | phpinfo() |
| 18:41.00 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju: I'll have to look at a calendar |
| 18:41.08 | Lone_Wanderer | but it should work for me, as far as I know |
| 18:41.12 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks bradym |
| 18:41.26 | bradym | np, i have lots of retard moments myself ;) |
| 18:45.02 | mindjuju | bradym - comps and consoles, group decides games in advance |
| 18:45.34 | mindjuju | utah_dave, do you think you'd want to go? |
| 18:46.10 | mindjuju | everybody is invited |
| 18:47.19 | bradym | cool - it would be fun to meet some of you guys :) |
| 18:47.37 | mindjuju | bradym - which do you play comps or consoles? |
| 18:47.58 | bradym | comps |
| 18:48.06 | bradym | i'm not that good, but i enjoy it anyways :) |
| 18:48.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I suck at pretty much all games myself. |
| 18:48.49 | Lone_Wanderer | But I can have fun losing, so it's all good. |
| 18:49.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Except Wolfenstein: ET. I was decent at that once upon a time. |
| 18:49.57 | mindjuju | well, i've got a spare xbox and TV |
| 18:50.09 | mindjuju | though nobody'd prolly want to play on any of my comps |
| 18:50.27 | mindjuju | unless it was counterstrike or half life |
| 18:51.34 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Most likely |
| 18:51.45 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Ok good. |
| 18:52.10 | PoeticIntensity | Lone_Wanderer, there's a new version of ET out... |
| 18:52.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Because man, he seriously needs it. |
| 18:52.16 | bradym | ET is fun.. i was just playing that the other night |
| 18:52.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh cool. |
| 18:52.24 | Lone_Wanderer | We should play it. |
| 18:52.28 | PoeticIntensity | I've been 100% addicted to it since it came out. |
| 18:52.31 | PoeticIntensity | absolutely. |
| 18:52.41 | PoeticIntensity | go to www.enemyterritory.com and watch the home-page video. |
| 18:52.47 | Lone_Wanderer | >.> |
| 18:52.49 | Lone_Wanderer | <.< |
| 18:52.57 | Lone_Wanderer | At work right now. |
| 18:53.04 | PoeticIntensity | it's quite a bit better than than the old one (without sacrificing all the good aspects of the original) |
| 18:53.06 | dataw0lf | CoD 4++ |
| 18:53.19 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... how did I know that was coming up... ;-) |
| 18:53.28 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta try it. |
| 18:53.39 | PoeticIntensity | I just can't afford another addiction right now. |
| 18:54.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Quake Wars? |
| 18:54.22 | Lone_Wanderer | This doesn't look like Wolfenstein. |
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| 18:54.56 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - would you be up for LAN on the 29th? |
| 18:55.01 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you wtill around? |
| 18:55.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, a helicopter built like that would never work. |
| 18:55.13 | PoeticIntensity | I would, mindjuju, but holy cow, I suck at console games. |
| 18:55.22 | mindjuju | it's both, computers and consoles |
| 18:55.26 | PoeticIntensity | Lone_Wanderer, no doubt... |
| 18:55.37 | PoeticIntensity | but it's amazingly fun. |
| 18:55.38 | mindjuju | ET could be one of the games played |
| 18:55.47 | PoeticIntensity | I would dig that. |
| 18:58.58 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: maybe |
| 19:08.34 | GreatWhiteWizard | wps, are @task and basecamp php-based? |
| 19:11.13 | Lone_Wanderer | basecamp is a RoR app I believe |
| 19:11.14 | orsonj | there should be some kind of multiplayer desktop tower defense |
| 19:11.54 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... orsonj - that'd be the bomb. |
| 19:12.15 | PoeticIntensity | I'm debating on trying to beat my high score on "hard" today.... |
| 19:14.23 | bradym | there are lots of different tower defense maps for warcraft 3 |
| 19:14.32 | bradym | i believe that's where it started |
| 19:16.21 | dataw0lf | brasto: @task is Java based, basecamp is RoR |
| 19:20.16 | brasto | good to know, thanks dataw0lf. |
| 19:20.23 | brasto | are either of those open source? |
| 19:30.01 | dataw0lf | brasto: activCollab is a basecamp clone that is open source. |
| 19:30.10 | dataw0lf | and it's written in PHP |
| 19:30.39 | bradym | another good one is webcollab - http://webcollab.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:30.39 | dataw0lf | it does require a license, however. |
| 19:32.54 | brasto | cool, I'll take a look at those also dataw0lf, thanks again. |
| 19:51.30 | brasto | tasks pro, wps' personal favorite, is php, but does not seem to be open source. I wonder if the free tasks jr has most of the same features? |
| 20:11.24 | brasto | found what I was looking for here: |
| 20:11.25 | brasto | http://crowdfavorite.com/compare-tasks-features/ |
| 20:11.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know whether it's possible to make money by writing facebook apps if people do nothing more than add it to their profile? |
| 20:17.59 | macnewbold | a lot of facebook apps run ads it seems |
| 20:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 20:20.09 | dataw0lf | facebook apps are an ingenious vehicle for ad based revenue |
| 20:20.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I see, I see. |
| 20:21.03 | Lone_Wanderer | It seems kind of underhanded to me. |
| 20:23.09 | dataw0lf | well all advertising is pretty underhanded |
| 20:29.54 | macnewbold | brasto: basecamp is definitely Ruby on Rails, and not open source. it's a service they sell. It's from 37signals, the guys who wrote Rails. |
| 20:30.07 | macnewbold | I don't know about @task |
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| 20:37.44 | sean_t23 | What's the best way to create xml using php, right now i just use a simple function to create the tags, is their a better way? |
| 20:37.50 | dataw0lf | @task is written in Java. |
| 20:38.34 | Lone_Wanderer | sean_t23: If all you're doing is creating it, you can write a really simple class that will do it. |
| 20:38.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Provided you understand the magic of recursion. |
| 20:39.26 | dataw0lf | sean_t23: utilize SimpleXML as much as possible |
| 20:53.22 | sean_t23 | I think I'm going to go with DOM even thou it seems kinda Heavy |
| 20:58.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Using those is so complicated though. |
| 20:59.07 | Lone_Wanderer | You have to instantiate all these classes and worry about what's going where and all that crap. |
| 20:59.14 | Lone_Wanderer | WAY over-engineered. |
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| 21:18.36 | mgeary | sean_t23: i vote simpleXML as well |
| 21:18.53 | sean_t23 | Ya, but they allow you to extend your objects as you go, I'm writing a very complex xml cms system IMO and it allows me to have a popup extend a page and that extend ui_component, So I kinda need the complexity |
| 21:19.39 | sean_t23 | If I was just hooking up a ajax handler I would definetly go with either a homebrew function or something Simpler |
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| 21:52.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I hate this kind of error. |
| 21:52.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Comment out dang near the entire file and it still won't go away. |
| 21:52.30 | orsonj | ~lart mindjuju |
| 21:52.30 | jbot | beats mindjuju into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 21:52.39 | orsonj | ~lart mindjuju's protomatter |
| 21:52.39 | jbot | throws mindjuju's protomatter's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 21:52.43 | mindjuju | foiled! |
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| 21:54.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I have no response to stink bombs other than lethal force, and that seems a bit excessive. |
| 21:54.59 | mgeary_ | well jeeze, Lone_Wanderer, with an attitude like that you can't become a cop like so many other ex-mils do.... ;) |
| 21:55.01 | mindjuju | know any kung fu moves? |
| 21:55.41 | mindjuju | lone_wanderer --> http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~pound/kungfu.html |
| 21:56.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, well if I were a cop |
| 21:56.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd just kill anyone who looks at me wrong. |
| 21:57.58 | herlo | ouch! |
| 21:58.08 | mindjuju | oh sorry, that was for science |
| 21:58.18 | mindjuju | show Lone_Wanderer how to use http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~pound/kungfu.html |
| 21:58.20 | Lone_Wanderer | yay, bug fixed |
| 21:58.32 | Lone_Wanderer | sorry mindjuju, I'll have to... |
| 21:58.48 | Lone_Wanderer | running grasshopper pounce you later |
| 21:59.09 | mindjuju | nah, no worries, i gotta go do a field training on how to use a new app i wrote, cya'll in an hour or so |
| 21:59.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Although I find the prospect of a move called "10,000 virgin breath" to be tantalizing... |
| 21:59.58 | herlo | http://heroeswiki.com/Takezo_Kensei |
| 22:06.17 | orsonj | interesting, "mongolian virgin pose", "kiss of the paradise assault", "happy ghost maneuver" |
| 22:07.35 | mindjuju | that block using the mongolian virgin pose is pretty powerful |
| 22:07.46 | mindjuju | could block near about anything dataw0lf could strike you with |
| 22:13.17 | mgeary_ | hey |
| 22:13.39 | mgeary_ | has anyone found a decent OSS webmail system? i've got SquirrelMail installed, but it's a dog |
| 22:14.39 | orsonj | I've heard of roundcube, but I don't know how good it is. |
| 22:17.08 | bradym | horde has a nice interface, if you can beat it into submission |
| 22:21.45 | bradym | this one looks nice, but don't ask me how to pronounce the name... |
| 22:21.46 | bradym | http://www.uebimiau.org/ |
| 22:23.22 | fungus | Roundcube has a really cool interface. |
| 22:23.39 | fungus | but has some issues with sending large emails. |
| 22:24.29 | fungus | Unless you need to send multi-megabyte emails and maintain a low PHP memory limit, you should check out roundcube. |
| 22:25.27 | fungus | And like bradym said, Horde is really cool to use now, but is a large complicated PITA to get setup initially. |
| 22:25.53 | bradym | i spent several hours trying to install it once, finally gave up |
| 22:33.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Having trouble with a file upload form. |
| 22:34.22 | jsmith | Sure... blame it on a kernel update ;-) |
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| 22:43.44 | wps | mindjuju, was tomorrow's meeting cancelled? |
| 22:47.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know the name of the Firefox plugin that lets you watch HTTP data as it's passed back and forth? |
| 22:47.47 | wps | me friend uses it… let me ask |
| 22:48.28 | wps | jbot, wake mindjuju |
| 22:48.28 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 22:51.06 | mindjuju | k, i'm back from training |
| 22:51.25 | mindjuju | wps, meeting tomorrow canceled |
| 22:51.30 | mindjuju | well, pushed back to Jan |
| 22:51.36 | mindjuju | going to send out an email today |
| 22:51.38 | wps | k… I'll get it off the calendar |
| 22:51.41 | mindjuju | macnewbold noticed that it was on the ical |
| 22:51.42 | mindjuju | coolio |
| 22:52.43 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Live HTTP Headers? |
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| 22:53.26 | wps | well, my friend hasn't responded, but google returned this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3829 |
| 22:55.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Yay I figured it out. |
| 22:55.30 | Lone_Wanderer | That's it DW, thanks. |
| 22:56.17 | wps | my friend recommends tamper data and fire bug |
| 22:56.31 | wps | and says that the web developer tool bar shows you them as well |
| 22:57.22 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 22:57.41 | Lone_Wanderer | apparently the actual problem is that Facebook messes with your file uploads |
| 22:58.37 | bradym | speaking of facebook.. you guys getting the "put this on all of your friends walls so they don't delete your account thinking you are inactive" message? |
| 22:59.10 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 22:59.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I hope I don't, because I don't want to have to murder anyone while I'm on vacation. |
| 22:59.31 | bradym | someone just posted it on my wall today for the first time |
| 22:59.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Please, stop. |
| 22:59.44 | Lone_Wanderer | My anger is beginning to overwhelm me already. |
| 22:59.59 | Lone_Wanderer | If you speak their name, I will be required to act. |
| 23:00.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Why do people believe such stupid things? :'( |
| 23:00.44 | bradym | i wish i knew |
| 23:00.46 | Lone_Wanderer | It makes baby FSM cry. |
| 23:01.09 | bradym | lol |
| 23:02.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Hrmm. This purported "solution" did not solve my problem. |
| 23:16.01 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: please don't take the baby FSM's name in vain! |
| 23:20.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't. |
| 23:21.08 | Lone_Wanderer | It came to me and told me itself that human idiocy makes it cry. |
| 23:23.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohh, I fixed it! |
| 23:23.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Almost on accident! |
| 23:25.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Congratulations, fixing the problem has introduced yet another layer of complexity. |
| 23:25.59 | Lone_Wanderer | <3 iframes |
| 23:31.36 | mgeary | hey folks, does anyone here have a policy at work that code/techniques/frameworks that are developed at/by your company are not to be used in your own freelance/whatever projects? Would anyone be surprised/resentful at such a policy? |
| 23:32.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I think that's standard practice, if not among smallish web dev companies then certainly among larger corporations. |
| 23:33.08 | bradym | yep |
| 23:33.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Which makes me wonder, by the way, why there are no gigantic web development corporations. |
| 23:33.42 | mgeary | seems like a no-brainer to me (the policy) |
| 23:33.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Likewise. Is someone complaining? |
| 23:34.00 | mgeary | well, not yet |
| 23:34.49 | Lone_Wanderer | But they will, once you crush their independence and free-thinking with your iron fist! |
| 23:35.00 | mgeary | ah, i dunno |
| 23:35.09 | mgeary | i've considered open-sourcing my framework |
| 23:35.33 | dataw0lf | anything a developer develops at work is by rights owned by the company. |
| 23:38.20 | mgeary | if they're an employee, yes, that's generally true |
| 23:40.49 | mindjuju | for herlo and other linux aficionados - http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/9df0/ |
| 23:44.21 | herlo | mindjuju: nice |
| 23:45.13 | mindjuju | supposedly IE8 passed Acid2 - http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=367214#367214 |
| 23:51.00 | bradym | woah |
| 23:53.45 | bradym | almost as amazing is the fact that they're already actively working on the next version.. after what was it 6 years between 6 & 7? |
| 23:55.44 | mindjuju | well, the release date has yet to be seen |
| 23:56.04 | mindjuju | and a bug free working prototype passing acid2 close to launch, yet to be seen |