| 00:01.52 | brasto | time to go. c-y'all later. |
| 00:02.17 | brasto | wps, I'll work on my resume and send it in soon. |
| 00:02.23 | wps | k |
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| 00:13.03 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 00:13.32 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 00:13.49 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 00:13.50 | jbot | There is no chin under Chuck Norris Beard. There is only another fist |
| 00:15.03 | herlo | ~chuckfact |
| 00:15.04 | jbot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 00:15.18 | Black_Chaos | ~chuckfact |
| 00:15.18 | jbot | Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 00:15.53 | herlo | ~chuckfact |
| 00:15.53 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 00:19.43 | thebigdog | no more barrens chat plz |
| 00:21.05 | thebigdog | hehe - http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/wonderwoman-25478.jpg |
| 00:21.22 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 00:21.29 | thebigdog | too funny |
| 00:21.48 | mindjuju | did you see the WoW action figures ? / do yo uhave any? |
| 00:22.36 | thebigdog | no and no |
| 00:22.49 | thebigdog | i make my son dress up in wow costumes |
| 00:23.04 | thebigdog | right now he loves the troll frost mage costume |
| 00:23.20 | mindjuju | here it is - http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/928a/ |
| 00:24.05 | mindjuju | didn't see any of them on the SP : WoW episode, so don't know how cool they are |
| 00:24.08 | mindjuju | prolly not that cool |
| 00:24.35 | thebigdog | they are cool |
| 00:24.40 | thebigdog | i like the undead warlock |
| 00:24.49 | mindjuju | which one is undead worklock? |
| 00:25.17 | mindjuju | well, now we know what to get thebigdog for Christmas |
| 00:25.37 | thebigdog | that last one |
| 00:25.59 | thebigdog | warrior is in pvp gear |
| 00:26.04 | thebigdog | they all look like in pvp gera |
| 00:26.16 | thebigdog | merciless gladiator gear to be exact |
| 00:26.17 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 00:26.33 | mindjuju | maybe fungus should check it out then too |
| 00:26.37 | mindjuju | he likes WoW |
| 00:27.04 | thebigdog | actually s2 arena gear |
| 00:27.17 | thebigdog | the warriors gear is named merciless gladiator's |
| 00:27.33 | thebigdog | it might all be |
| 00:31.48 | fungus | http://www.thinkgeek.com/9f2f/ |
| 00:32.13 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 00:44.20 | wps | I don't understand how people's employers allow them to leave for four hours on a Friday for a Geek Lunch |
| 00:44.36 | wps | :) |
| 00:45.27 | mindjuju | my schedule is more production based than anything |
| 00:45.32 | fungus | four hours is a problem, but a two hour lunch once a month isn't too hard. |
| 00:45.45 | tierra | haha, quarter of us are self-employed I think |
| 00:46.12 | fungus | Especially when the boss understands the benefits contributing to the community |
| 00:46.32 | mindjuju | yeah, that's true too. and this past itme, it had a quick tutorial on photoshop |
| 00:46.38 | mindjuju | and lesson free, so that was a benefit |
| 00:46.51 | mindjuju | plus swapped out the backup tape at xmission, so a plus there too |
| 00:49.09 | fungus | I couldn't swing the tutorial thing, but I can usually swing a long lunch. |
| 00:49.41 | tierra | I could've done both, had I not shown up to work Friday at 11:30 or so |
| 00:50.02 | tierra | getting in late, plus taking 3-4 hour lunch wouldn't have worked |
| 00:50.43 | mindjuju | yeah, that would be hard to stretch me thinks |
| 00:50.51 | tierra | well, it didn't work, that's why I didn't show :( |
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| 01:21.30 | mindjuju | so tierra |
| 01:21.54 | mindjuju | i see that you are on #xmlounge @ xmission, |
| 01:22.05 | mindjuju | do they tell you when system outage or anything like that by being there? |
| 01:22.28 | tierra | I don't have anything hosted there, nor do I have XM as my ISP... heh |
| 01:22.56 | mindjuju | really? there is a tierra in the list of users |
| 01:22.59 | mindjuju | also a macnewbold |
| 01:23.03 | mindjuju | i thought it was you guys |
| 01:23.17 | tierra | I know 2 of the employees there, as well as a portion of the others there, I just like to idle there :) |
| 01:23.27 | mindjuju | ohhhh.... gotcha |
| 01:23.44 | mindjuju | k, just wondering if there was some benefit there i didn't know about |
| 01:24.15 | tierra | I was working out some colo details there at one point, but that never panned out |
| 04:14.31 | mindjuju | ugh, i can't find a decent thing to listen too!!!! |
| 04:17.32 | burnin | kcpw? |
| 04:17.51 | burnin | wbur? |
| 04:18.26 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 04:18.32 | burnin | :) |
| 04:18.36 | burnin | web radio |
| 04:18.55 | mindjuju | yeah, DI.fm |
| 04:20.00 | mindjuju | what you listening to over there burnin? |
| 04:20.24 | burnin | npr news |
| 04:20.56 | mindjuju | oh, i can listen to music, but can't listen to talk radio while coding |
| 04:21.10 | mindjuju | but i can watch movies |
| 04:21.38 | mindjuju | i think the difference is that talk radio is political and I tend to focus too much attention to what speaker says |
| 04:22.24 | mindjuju | snoopy? awesome! |
| 04:22.33 | mindjuju | i've got corban watching Charlie Brown |
| 04:25.01 | orsonj | just got it a few days ago off of amazon |
| 04:25.11 | mindjuju | nice |
| 04:43.14 | orsonj | If you ever get to go to an RC air show and they do snoopy vs the red baron with this playing, that is as good as it gets. |
| 04:43.36 | mindjuju | when do they do RC air shows? |
| 04:43.50 | mindjuju | are you a pilot? i'd love to take Corban |
| 04:44.46 | orsonj | They do one every year at the logan airport. sometimes they have a flying doghouse. |
| 04:45.16 | orsonj | My dad got into it one year and I got so I could fly a little, but not too well. |
| 04:47.04 | orsonj | I think they do it on labor day up here. |
| 04:47.30 | mindjuju | was googling it while waiting for a server to reboot. i think Bridgerland R.C. Club Air Show does the show, in Logan, right? |
| 04:49.09 | orsonj | yep, although, at the last one they said they may have to move to a different location (still in cache valley) |
| 05:22.52 | orsonj | ~lart Sound Juicer |
| 05:22.52 | jbot | eats Sound Juicer's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 05:23.18 | mindjuju | is it like fruity loops? |
| 05:23.24 | orsonj | ubuntu's default cd ripper |
| 05:23.32 | mindjuju | oh, gotcha |
| 05:23.50 | orsonj | it uses cdparanoia, but not to its fullest potential :( |
| 05:24.15 | mindjuju | what features do you miss out on? |
| 05:24.45 | orsonj | the ones that make it sound proper (no skipping, clicking, etc.) |
| 05:25.52 | orsonj | I end up going back to grip. It isn't as nice to use, but the output is worth it. |
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| 15:45.59 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 15:46.38 | mindjuju | hey, thebigdog, wasn't there a plugin for Eclipse for databases that you were saying was good? |
| 15:46.49 | mindjuju | tried googling for it and couldn't find anything |
| 15:46.50 | thebigdog | they do have one |
| 15:47.02 | thebigdog | one sec |
| 15:47.03 | herlo | for database design? or just administration? |
| 15:47.34 | thebigdog | http://www.eclipse.org/datatools/ |
| 15:47.35 | mindjuju | for database design because that is what we were talking about at the time |
| 15:47.57 | herlo | mindjuju: right, but I was asking thebigdog whether it was for design or admin |
| 15:48.14 | thebigdog | you can do both |
| 15:48.20 | mindjuju | that's what i meant, when he and i were talking, that's what we were talking about |
| 15:48.24 | mindjuju | database design |
| 15:48.29 | thebigdog | i personally dont use it all that much for design though |
| 15:48.40 | mindjuju | yeah, you got erwin, don't you? |
| 15:48.43 | thebigdog | i do all design in my head |
| 15:48.50 | thebigdog | i have used erwin |
| 15:49.05 | thebigdog | i have a windows app that i tend to use @ work |
| 15:49.31 | mindjuju | which one? |
| 15:50.24 | thebigdog | http://sqlmanager.net/products/studio/postgresql |
| 15:50.29 | thebigdog | i use that one here at work |
| 15:50.38 | thebigdog | and i have used db visualizer too |
| 15:50.41 | thebigdog | i use that one at home |
| 15:51.02 | thebigdog | http://www.dbvis.com/products/dbvis/ |
| 15:51.21 | thebigdog | i like db visualizer tons |
| 15:51.32 | thebigdog | but that is one you have to purchase |
| 15:51.41 | thebigdog | i have used tora on linux too which is really good |
| 15:51.44 | herlo | thebigdog: are these ones useable in Linux? |
| 15:51.45 | thebigdog | that is like toad |
| 15:51.49 | herlo | ahh |
| 15:51.53 | herlo | tora then? |
| 15:52.01 | thebigdog | tora is linux based |
| 15:52.03 | thebigdog | qt really |
| 15:52.15 | thebigdog | the guy that wrote toad did tora |
| 15:52.20 | thebigdog | but with qt :( |
| 15:52.30 | thebigdog | dbvisualizer is java based like jedit |
| 15:52.31 | herlo | qt? |
| 15:52.33 | thebigdog | so it runs good |
| 15:52.39 | thebigdog | kde |
| 15:53.05 | herlo | thebigdog: okay, just requires the qt-libs then |
| 15:53.11 | herlo | no worries there |
| 15:53.15 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 15:53.15 | herlo | tx |
| 15:53.28 | thebigdog | that pg studio is windows based |
| 15:53.49 | thebigdog | which is a corp type product i have to use at work |
| 15:53.57 | thebigdog | but it has a killer stored proc debugger for pgsql |
| 15:55.11 | thebigdog | i do like dbvisualizer cause i can have it hook into all the dbs that my clients use |
| 15:55.33 | thebigdog | it is not free though |
| 15:55.46 | thebigdog | http://www.dbvis.com/products/dbvis/imageviewer.jsp?image=images/screens/alloy.png |
| 15:55.49 | thebigdog | man it works good though |
| 15:56.28 | thebigdog | pgadmin is good too |
| 15:56.37 | thebigdog | and mysql tools is pretty decent |
| 15:56.57 | herlo | yeah, I just downloaded dbvis |
| 15:57.31 | herlo | I looked at pgadmin, probably will set that up once I get the db going |
| 15:57.41 | herlo | or phpmysqladmin depending on the db I choose |
| 15:58.15 | jsmith | phppgadmin works quite well |
| 15:58.22 | herlo | nice |
| 15:58.27 | jsmith | herlo: And that's reason enough not to use MySQL |
| 15:58.30 | jsmith | me ducks |
| 15:58.59 | herlo | jsmith: I'm not arguing |
| 15:59.24 | herlo | the problem I have right now is that I don't know pgsql, but I know mysql |
| 15:59.34 | herlo | and I need a set of tools to get me up and going quickly |
| 15:59.54 | jsmith | pgadmin-III or phpPgAdmin then... |
| 16:00.03 | thebigdog | i just cant stand having to install a php app to manage my dbs |
| 16:01.56 | jsmith | pgadmin-III isn't a PHP app |
| 16:02.06 | jsmith | thebigdog: Yeah, you and I, we use the command-line! |
| 16:02.16 | jsmith | thebigdog: But as for herlo, being a pg nub and all... |
| 16:02.28 | thebigdog | commandline is nice too |
| 16:04.44 | thebigdog | np |
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| 16:19.55 | PoeticIntensity | riiight. |
| 16:20.08 | PoeticIntensity | did some more HDs fry on you? |
| 16:20.37 | mindjuju | hey, he can get a new job, cause that means that a highly paid, super sexy position is about to open up where he is currently working |
| 16:20.41 | mindjuju | which is.... |
| 16:21.29 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:21.36 | thebigdog | im just tired of the no direction here |
| 16:21.50 | mindjuju | ah yes |
| 16:21.51 | thebigdog | management needs an overhaul |
| 16:22.20 | mindjuju | the left hand not only doesn't know what the right hand is doing, but is currently located in the right foot socket |
| 16:22.32 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:23.01 | mindjuju | yup, can totally empathize with ya bro |
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| 16:28.06 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 16:28.23 | mindjuju | wow, seems kinda personal |
| 16:31.00 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold 's router for filling up my IRC chat logs with connects and disconnects |
| 16:31.00 | jbot | offers macnewbold 's router some herring for filling up my IRC chat logs with connects and disconnects |
| 16:32.12 | mgeary | some herring? |
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| 16:32.43 | mgeary | wasn't wonderful |
| 16:33.02 | mgeary | raw mackerel, on the other hand, is quite tasty on crackers |
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| 16:33.20 | mindjuju | wasn't a herring the tool that was offered to King Arthur to cut down the largest tree in the forests of the Knights who formerly said Ni! ? |
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| 16:35.42 | mindjuju | rock on! |
| 16:36.28 | mindjuju | yeah, mine just left and the new hire is in office going through company procedures |
| 16:36.36 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:36.44 | thebigdog | did he get fired or left vol. |
| 16:37.47 | mindjuju | well, the HR felt mercy and decided to demote him to (me looks both ways and whispers...) phone text support |
| 16:37.55 | mindjuju | since it was the holidays |
| 16:38.02 | mindjuju | i don't imagine he'll want to stay there long |
| 16:38.11 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:38.28 | thebigdog | our hr did the other thing |
| 16:38.37 | thebigdog | promoted to office network admin |
| 16:38.37 | mindjuju | just fire out right? |
| 16:38.42 | mindjuju | you're kidding |
| 16:38.45 | thebigdog | nope |
| 16:38.58 | thebigdog | i smacked him down hard for login in as root on one box |
| 16:39.15 | thebigdog | i told him if he ever does that again i will close all his accounts |
| 16:39.49 | mindjuju | that's a geek's version of a pimp slap, for sure |
| 16:39.53 | thebigdog | i kid you not every day he does something that i could put on the daily wtf |
| 16:40.00 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 16:40.23 | mindjuju | i did same thing for the guy now in tech support, ripped out all access to servers |
| 16:40.28 | thebigdog | i actually revoked all his svn privs today |
| 16:40.30 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 16:40.55 | thebigdog | he brought the network down on friday...so i had an early day...yeah |
| 16:41.04 | thebigdog | i left so i did not have to fix it |
| 16:41.20 | thebigdog | that like a snowday back in school |
| 16:41.21 | mindjuju | wow, how does the company not just fire him outright? |
| 16:41.38 | thebigdog | he has complained to HR and they see that he might do something |
| 16:41.59 | thebigdog | he has probably complained about me already |
| 16:42.09 | thebigdog | hostile admin thebigdog |
| 16:42.39 | thebigdog | add that to the pile of crap |
| 16:42.57 | thebigdog | so im thinking that i might need to leave...cause he is going to do something really stupid |
| 16:43.06 | thebigdog | that will be major and i dont want to fix it |
| 16:44.03 | mindjuju | good point, while my padawan was running around screwing things up, some of the stuff he did reflected badly on me and my rep |
| 16:44.14 | mindjuju | i should have fired the dude 6 months ago |
| 16:44.29 | mindjuju | we have this advisor come in office who needed to produce this video |
| 16:44.45 | mindjuju | we setup the green screen, everything... lighting looks to be a little too much, but doable |
| 16:45.05 | mindjuju | and what does the egghead do? As the advisor is present, he walks back and forth as many speakers do |
| 16:45.35 | mindjuju | we had a prop just behind the speaker, so instead of just unzooming the camera which he could have done, he moved the camera side to side |
| 16:45.50 | mindjuju | but on a green screen, since you can take the background out, you don't have a point of reference |
| 16:46.05 | mindjuju | so when we put in the new background, it made the prop look like it was floating ala Harry Potter |
| 16:46.10 | mindjuju | made the whole video worthless |
| 16:49.34 | thebigdog | that is too funny |
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| 17:19.36 | mgeary | so, i just heard that Peter Jackson has an agreement to make 2 Hobbit movies |
| 17:20.32 | orsonj | he did LoTR correct? |
| 17:20.54 | orsonj | It's still morning |
| 17:21.37 | orsonj | Any thinking done before noon is optional |
| 17:22.03 | mgeary | ah, apparently he's going to *produce* the movies, but not necessarily direct. not sure how i feel about that |
| 17:22.07 | mgeary | http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hkuaB7l-Jr9A2pNhbvKbnjEAXVIQD8TJVJL00 |
| 17:22.08 | brasto | ~wiki hobbit moview |
| 17:22.10 | brasto | doh! |
| 17:22.19 | brasto | ~wiki hobbit movies |
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| 17:23.17 | Michael-Memphis | I need some php help |
| 17:23.39 | brasto | the hobbit will take up 2 movies? |
| 17:23.54 | Michael-Memphis | ummm yes? |
| 17:24.37 | orsonj | what kind of problem do you have? |
| 17:25.06 | brasto | Michael-Memphis: that hobbit comment was from conversation before your question. what do you need help with? |
| 17:26.06 | brasto | mgeary: any news on why it's going to be 2 movies? I'm not sure "The Hobbit" can gracefully split it's story into half for two movies, personally... |
| 17:26.11 | Michael-Memphis | haha cool, so I got a simple form with three variables and I need the unique id to auto generate when I put info in, Like I put in my wifes name and then a different last name and it cannot put it in the database cause the strings match |
| 17:26.33 | mgeary | brasto: yeah, i'm wondering as well. if i had to bet, i'd say movie 1 ends when he gets the ring |
| 17:26.53 | orsonj | In retrospect I should hae said: Ok, he passes. Answer the question. |
| 17:26.56 | Michael-Memphis | you guys should watch the Borne movies...those rock |
| 17:27.11 | orsonj | s/hae/have/ |
| 17:27.12 | brasto | what I'd like to see is a hobbit movie after "Return of the King" with the real ending... but since he already killed off Saruman, that's not likely... |
| 17:27.29 | mgeary | brasto: i heard that the "extended version" had that |
| 17:27.53 | mgeary | Michael-Memphis: can you restate your question/problem? |
| 17:27.59 | brasto | yep, the extended version killed off saruman |
| 17:28.02 | mgeary | do you want a JS solution, or a PHP solution? |
| 17:28.43 | Michael-Memphis | nice...okay I have a form for firstname lastname and phone(number) and the mysql table has a unique id and I need the script to make a new unique id with each entrance of new info |
| 17:28.47 | brasto | agreed, Michael-Memphis, I'm not sure I understand your question |
| 17:28.51 | brasto | doh! |
| 17:28.58 | brasto | lol |
| 17:29.10 | mgeary | Michael-Memphis: is this in addition to the primary key? |
| 17:29.18 | mgeary | your table *does* have a primary key, right? |
| 17:29.35 | mgeary | preferably an integer(10) auto-incrementing key... |
| 17:29.37 | mgeary | right? |
| 17:29.41 | brasto | Michael-Memphis: pull the unique id from the database, and let the database make the id? |
| 17:29.41 | Michael-Memphis | anyone teach php by chance...... no I think it is the primary key...I am cramming this to get a new job, got canned from my last SOS temp job |
| 17:30.02 | mgeary | got canned? what'd you do? Log in to a machine as root? |
| 17:30.25 | brasto | rm -rf / |
| 17:30.31 | mgeary | Michael-Memphis: show us your DB table structure |
| 17:31.31 | Michael-Memphis | sounds good...no the documentation for this company was all over the place, then we had a meeting of them asking us to make things better and I suggested getting all the documentation centralized and a buddy e-mailed someone over my bosses head, and he liked that idea and then boss caught wind and fired me, since I am a temp no reason was needed... |
| 17:31.53 | Michael-Memphis | can I put up the mysql script to show you the table layout? |
| 17:33.10 | Michael-Memphis | the boss was sitting on his job cause he had to wait it out to get stock cash out or something to that effect |
| 17:33.42 | Michael-Memphis | any of you guys close to the U of U? |
| 17:36.49 | Michael-Memphis | hello? |
| 17:36.51 | brasto | ~give Michael-Memphis a new job |
| 17:36.52 | jbot | ACTION gives a new job to Michael-Memphis |
| 17:36.56 | brasto | :) |
| 17:37.05 | Michael-Memphis | haha whats the new job? |
| 17:37.07 | brasto | you can post your scripts online |
| 17:37.32 | Michael-Memphis | I would just get whatever job but i am trying to get out of debt, so I gotta make more than I spend in a month |
| 17:37.42 | brasto | or, post the important part of the table and small snippets of code here |
| 17:37.53 | herlo | ew! |
| 17:38.03 | brasto | what's that guideline, dataw0lf? up 2 4 lines each? |
| 17:38.22 | brasto | lol |
| 17:38.28 | Michael-Memphis | CREATE TABLE `members` ( |
| 17:38.30 | herlo | brasto: don't spam the irc channel with your code! |
| 17:38.34 | herlo | :) |
| 17:38.41 | orsonj | ~pastebin |
| 17:38.42 | jbot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 17:38.45 | brasto | herlo, even if you just send 4 lines or so? |
| 17:38.52 | herlo | brasto: hehe |
| 17:39.08 | herlo | brasto: sure, that's probably fine... |
| 17:39.22 | brasto | ;) |
| 17:39.43 | herlo | ~lart brasto and his 50 lines |
| 17:39.43 | jbot | hits brasto and his 50 lines with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 17:39.51 | mgeary | ~karma brasto |
| 17:39.52 | jbot | brasto has karma of 2 |
| 17:39.57 | herlo | ~karma herlo |
| 17:39.57 | jbot | herlo has karma of 6 |
| 17:39.58 | mgeary | too bad hombre |
| 17:40.01 | mgeary | ~karma megeary |
| 17:40.01 | jbot | megeary has neutral karma |
| 17:40.02 | herlo | ooh, 6 lines for me |
| 17:40.05 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 17:40.05 | jbot | mgeary has karma of 6 |
| 17:40.08 | brasto | hey, how can I get some karma??? |
| 17:40.09 | mgeary | ^5 herlo |
| 17:40.16 | herlo | ~megeary++ |
| 17:40.20 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 17:40.20 | jbot | mgeary has karma of 6 |
| 17:40.26 | herlo | lol |
| 17:40.35 | mgeary | ~herlo++ |
| 17:40.40 | mgeary | ~karma herlo |
| 17:40.40 | jbot | herlo has karma of 7 |
| 17:40.42 | mgeary | oh sure |
| 17:40.44 | herlo | ~mgeary++ |
| 17:40.46 | mgeary | ah |
| 17:40.47 | mgeary | there we go |
| 17:40.58 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 17:40.58 | jbot | mgeary has karma of 7 |
| 17:40.58 | herlo | ~karma megeary |
| 17:40.58 | jbot | megeary has karma of 1 |
| 17:41.02 | mgeary | hah |
| 17:41.06 | brasto | ~me++ |
| 17:41.10 | herlo | ~megeary-- |
| 17:41.23 | herlo | ~karma megeary |
| 17:41.23 | jbot | megeary has neutral karma |
| 17:41.29 | herlo | not anymore |
| 17:41.33 | mgeary | doh |
| 17:42.28 | herlo | ~karma brasto |
| 17:42.28 | jbot | brasto has karma of 2 |
| 17:42.28 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~karma me |
| 17:42.28 | jbot | me has karma of 4 |
| 17:42.28 | herlo | jbot?? |
| 17:42.29 | GreatWhiteWizard | doh! guess I better change back... |
| 17:42.43 | Michael-Memphis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:42.51 | Michael-Memphis | ) TYPE=MyISAM AUTO_INCREMENT=14 ; |
| 17:42.53 | Michael-Memphis | ug sorry |
| 17:42.55 | Michael-Memphis | but from the mysql script it shows that ID is auto increment |
| 17:43.05 | brasto | Michael-Memphis: that's enough lines you should consider pastebin |
| 17:43.09 | brasto | ~pastebin |
| 17:43.09 | jbot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 17:43.21 | brasto | herlo recommends pastebin.ca |
| 17:43.49 | brasto | http://pastebin.ca |
| 17:44.34 | brasto | lol - for just one thread, or for the whole plug group? |
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| 17:45.46 | brasto | Michael-Memphis: ru using mysql 4 or 5, and php 4 or 5? |
| 17:45.46 | brasto | ru using mysqli extension with php or mysql extension with php? |
| 17:45.46 | Michael-Memphis | http://pastebin.ca/822319 |
| 17:45.49 | wps | the only reason I am on it is wanting to be aware of things going on in the community, but 90% of the conversations I'm not interested in |
| 17:46.04 | Michael-Memphis | the upper part is the sql and the lower the php form action called after the form is filled out |
| 17:46.44 | Michael-Memphis | I to green at this to answer that question brasto |
| 17:46.48 | mgeary | Michael-Memphis: you almost certainly don't want a UNIQUE key on firstname or lastname |
| 17:47.03 | mgeary | and the unique key on ID is redundant |
| 17:47.06 | mgeary | with Primary |
| 17:47.17 | Michael-Memphis | okay.....that is what the test files from the company I am applying to supplied... |
| 17:47.26 | mgeary | well, they're boneheads |
| 17:47.46 | brasto | ~bonehead the company that Michael-Memphis is applying to |
| 17:47.47 | jbot | that's too long, brasto |
| 17:47.52 | brasto | lol |
| 17:47.52 | Michael-Memphis | hehe I did HTML/CSS for them before and I agree....sucks I am trying to get back in.... |
| 17:48.18 | brasto | ~brastotack the company |
| 17:48.18 | jbot | ACTION lectures the company on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until the company can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 17:48.27 | Michael-Memphis | I tried to find a SLCC class for PHP and I cannot find any.... |
| 17:49.01 | wps | ~brasto |
| 17:49.02 | jbot | well, brasto is one cool guy, or the Topic Reannimator! The GreatWhiteWizard. |
| 17:49.03 | mgeary | we're your best bet for PHP wisdom is right here |
| 17:49.11 | brasto | wps, mindjuju maybe we should have a back-to-the-basics php intro course |
| 17:49.13 | mgeary | uh |
| 17:49.17 | mgeary | that didn't make much sense |
| 17:49.28 | Michael-Memphis | sweet but I need A LOT of help....free pepsi so the help?! |
| 17:49.40 | wps | I think that that would be a great meeting topic |
| 17:49.48 | wps | and one that we can do annually |
| 17:49.53 | wps | that basics |
| 17:49.56 | wps | an intro course |
| 17:50.00 | brasto | I agree |
| 17:51.34 | brasto | at least plug has interesting subject lines... ;) |
| 17:56.52 | Michael-Memphis | *for the help |
| 17:56.52 | Michael-Memphis | I've done HTML, CSS and a hint of Javascript, and my wife bought me a wicked nice laptop for Christmas so I need to up the income.....to pay for it |
| 18:01.19 | brasto | Utah_Dave: so... you went to San Diego, and didn't get to enjoy a wit of it, huh? |
| 18:01.44 | brasto | that's where I went on my honeymoon |
| 18:02.14 | brasto | over 11 years ago... |
| 18:03.54 | *** join/#uphpu Michael-Memphis (n=memphis@lre-east-1-236.usahousing.utah.edu) |
| 18:04.13 | Michael-Memphis | sorry guys I am behind the u of u firewall and it is being onry today |
| 18:04.32 | brasto | onry... |
| 18:04.34 | brasto | ~onry |
| 18:04.39 | brasto | ~dict onry |
| 18:05.17 | brasto | jk |
| 18:05.37 | Michael-Memphis | sorry |
| 18:05.47 | brasto | what goes wrong in that code, Michael-Memphis? |
| 18:06.18 | Michael-Memphis | it will not enter the data in if anything matches so if there cannot be two people with the name amy |
| 18:07.19 | brasto | that's because of the UNIQUE KEY `lastname` |
| 18:08.08 | brasto | here's my addressbook - one I wrote as a practice exercise for normalizing databases - I did it on my own time for the geeky fun and learning: |
| 18:08.58 | brasto | http://mscis.org/?catID=101&artID=4&page=1 |
| 18:09.24 | brasto | Michael-Memphis: if you are interested in learning more about databases, join udbug: http://udbug.org |
| 18:09.39 | mgeary | Michael-Memphis: remove your UNIQUE keys |
| 18:09.42 | mgeary | you really don't want them |
| 18:09.45 | brasto | I'm starting udbug, and we will have our first meeting the second Thursday of January |
| 18:10.08 | Michael-Memphis | but I gotta learn as much as possible in the next week or so |
| 18:11.19 | mgeary | Michael-Memphis: we're trying to help. really we are. have you removed those indexes? |
| 18:11.56 | Michael-Memphis | no not yet sorry I am also looking at classes for SLCC, I will do that now thanks for the help guys |
| 18:12.21 | mgeary | Michael-Memphis: there are a bazillion online PHP tutorials |
| 18:12.43 | Michael-Memphis | yeah I have gone through a few I will keep on it |
| 18:12.50 | brasto | no rush Michael-Memphis, we are all doing things also... I for one can't usually respond very quickly since I'm at work. |
| 18:14.02 | Michael-Memphis | cool |
| 18:16.42 | mindjuju | thebigdog - what you listening to over there, my brain needs a kickstart |
| 18:16.48 | mindjuju | don't feel like coding today, but need to |
| 18:16.55 | Michael-Memphis | well I gotta clean the house while my wife is at work.....thanks again guys, if any of you are close to the u of u and wanna help me out later (really school me in everything) goto www.hartdevelopments.com/work/ and use the contact |
| 18:17.03 | Michael-Memphis | I am listening to 3 doors down right now |
| 18:17.56 | mindjuju | mgeary, you got a good suggestion there... |
| 18:18.05 | Michael-Memphis | well see ya guys later |
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| 18:23.35 | mindjuju | mgeary, what was the album that had hateful hate? |
| 18:23.53 | mgeary | Blind Man's ZOo |
| 18:23.55 | mindjuju | liked that song, but don't see it here in my album folder |
| 18:23.58 | mgeary | that's a goodun |
| 18:23.59 | mindjuju | ohhh, dang it! |
| 18:24.12 | mgeary | original 10k maniacs+++++ |
| 18:24.21 | mindjuju | have to see if i can remote home to get it from home library |
| 18:27.26 | Utah_Dave | brasto: yeah, I didn't get to see any of San Diego. I was stuck in a data center the whole time |
| 18:28.56 | brasto | and this is the time of year a trip to San Diego can be most refreshing, with constant, year-round warmth... |
| 18:29.14 | mindjuju | rub it in! |
| 18:29.32 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it was nice and sunny. But it was actually kind of cold in the mornings and evenings |
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| 18:50.05 | wps | a few of you had expressed interest in the omniture dev position |
| 18:50.14 | wps | we'd like to start interviews |
| 18:50.33 | wps | please get send your resumes in as soon as you can (by end of day today preferably) |
| 18:50.34 | wps | thanks |
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| 19:08.45 | brasto | wps, I don't think I'll have my resume ready by end of business, but I can by end of day - e.g.: midnight. |
| 19:08.54 | wps | k |
| 19:13.55 | brasto | anyone here have a palm tx? |
| 19:18.07 | mindjuju | today's 80's music videos brought to you by Dunkin Donuts - Silent Running (Mike & Mechanics) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KL_fgWgK40 || All You Zombies (The Hooters) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U3rO0GbEhI |
| 19:34.57 | burnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.17 | mindjuju | oh hey, i remember that song, but didn't know what it was called |
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| 19:55.07 | mindjuju | is there any benefit in storing the info about what state a client lives in as an int or should it be saved as a 2 letter representation? i'm thinking of switching a database so that it does store it as 2 letter rep |
| 19:55.20 | mgeary | i've faced that same issue |
| 19:55.28 | mindjuju | seems moot |
| 19:55.32 | mgeary | i recently decided to go to the abbreviation as well |
| 19:55.40 | mindjuju | v little gain for the extra organization |
| 19:55.44 | mindjuju | ^5 mgeary |
| 19:55.46 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:56.45 | tierra | int? and have to go through a type lookup map... seems pointless, and more prone to introducing a bug later on down the road |
| 19:56.58 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what i was thinking |
| 19:57.24 | burnin | if you store as a two letter code then you wont need to change he app once we make Mexico and Canada states. |
| 19:57.27 | burnin | hehe |
| 19:59.46 | mindjuju | burnin, that's just scary |
| 19:59.52 | mindjuju | i know, i know, amero, etc |
| 20:00.01 | mindjuju | scary... |
| 20:01.35 | burnin | look on the bright side, we can legally take advantage of all that cheap labor from down south and we'll have all the lumber and glacial ice we'll ever need from up north. lol |
| 20:02.19 | mindjuju | i can't believe there are still there are US Senators and Representatives that deny like the NAFTA highway |
| 20:02.21 | burnin | I always tease my Canadian friends about annexing Canada into the states. |
| 20:02.32 | mindjuju | it's posted on the freakin Canada DOT website |
| 20:02.48 | mindjuju | has color brochure PDF, i crap you not |
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| 20:07.57 | burnin | back to work... |
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| 21:14.33 | orsonj | My grandma recently got a world cell phone. (I'd never heard of such a thing, but anyway) Her phone number started with 44. A quick google shows it as UK. I wonder how she got a UK phone number. |
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| 21:55.31 | mgeary | she's running a bit slow lately |
| 22:09.27 | brasto | then again, 44 is the start of some area codes, such as 440, which I believe goes to Atlanta, GA... |
| 22:15.36 | mindjuju | actually brasto, 44 is the country code for UK |
| 22:15.41 | orsonj | right, however the phone number was 12 digits rather than the usual 10 |
| 22:16.01 | mgeary | yeah, other countries don't have the same phone # paradigm |
| 22:16.07 | mindjuju | so you'd have to dial something lijke 011-44-andphonehere |
| 22:16.11 | mgeary | some #s in germany are very short, others are very long |
| 22:16.24 | mgeary | depends on how many people live in your area |
| 22:16.41 | mindjuju | germany = 49 |
| 22:16.52 | mgeary | yep |
| 22:17.14 | orsonj | I was googling some more and it looks like you can purchase a "world phone" that comes with a UK number. (charges like 1.50/min though) |
| 22:17.18 | mgeary | 61 = australia |
| 22:17.40 | orsonj | It's like permanent roaming mode |
| 22:17.48 | mindjuju | sounds pricey |
| 22:21.47 | orsonj | she said it was setup to charge her cc every time she made a call. no other charges though. |
| 22:22.13 | mindjuju | curious |
| 22:22.49 | orsonj | but yeah, I like my 10 cents per minute prepaid phone. (I use less than $20/month, so no plan for me.) |
| 22:23.20 | mindjuju | hey, that's awesome orsonj! a lot of people pay out the wazoo for cell phone |
| 22:25.47 | orsonj | I used to do $30-35/mo when I was using a data plan, but I killed that about a year ago. |
| 22:26.08 | mindjuju | i keep getting tempted by dataplan |
| 22:26.14 | mindjuju | would be cool to hear from my servers |
| 22:26.45 | orsonj | the OpenMoko might get me back on a data plan |
| 22:27.38 | mindjuju | do they have a viable phone out for a gen consumer? seems liek i read somewhere that the first ones are rough cut and might have big issues |
| 22:29.00 | orsonj | yep, they still seem to be dev-only at the moment. |
| 22:29.47 | mindjuju | on the other hand, how cool is this - http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html |
| 22:30.21 | mindjuju | freakin phone in a foam box with everything you need |
| 22:36.33 | orsonj | yep although it may be dev-only, the dev kit is awsome! |
| 22:47.54 | dataw0lf | http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2007/fortune/0712/gallery.dumbest_advertising.fortune/12.html |
| 22:48.52 | mgeary | can anyone pull up mstar.net in a browser? |
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| 22:53.31 | bradym | comes up fine for me mgeary |
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| 22:55.42 | mgeary | huh. not at all for me |
| 22:56.04 | mgeary | bradym: can you hit dev.gearyweb.com, perchance? |
| 22:56.12 | mgeary | should just say "hello" or such |
| 22:56.32 | bradym | yeah, i see hello |
| 22:57.01 | mgeary | okay |
| 22:57.01 | brasto | mindjuju, I know 44 is the country code for uk, but 440 is also the area code for Atlanta, and both meet the criteria "start with 44". |
| 22:57.12 | mgeary | anyone else here on xmission? |
| 22:57.16 | mgeary | i think there's a problem |
| 22:57.34 | mgeary | some problem between the xmission and mstar networks somehow |
| 22:57.40 | brasto | given orsonj's clarification that it's a 12 digit phone number, it becomes more clear it's definitely the country code. |
| 22:58.48 | bradym | mgeary: you know about the xmission irc server? |
| 22:58.57 | mgeary | oh yeah |
| 22:59.16 | mgeary | where is it? |
| 22:59.28 | bradym | irc.xmission.com i think |
| 22:59.34 | bradym | and join #xmlounge |
| 22:59.43 | bradym | they have support people that staff the room |
| 23:00.12 | brasto | ~lart people that have their own irc servers so you can't find them on freenode |
| 23:00.12 | jbot | drops a truckload of VAXen on people that have their own irc servers so you can't find them on freenode |
| 23:00.19 | mgeary | seriously |
| 23:00.43 | brasto | ;) |
| 23:00.57 | bradym | though xmission may have had their irc server before freenode came to be ;) |
| 23:01.14 | brasto | there was irc before freenode? |
| 23:01.15 | brasto | jk |
| 23:01.24 | bradym | lol |
| 23:01.47 | brasto | is irc the oldest chat protocol still in use? |
| 23:02.39 | bradym | i'd imagine so |
| 23:02.53 | brasto | ~wiki irc |
| 23:03.05 | bradym | though i bet there's some old-timer unix hackers still using talk.. |
| 23:03.14 | mgeary | so, can someone hit the mstar.net page and relay me a support #? |
| 23:03.24 | mgeary | xmission is blaming htem |
| 23:03.24 | mgeary | them |
| 23:03.48 | PoeticIntensity | Call (877) 678-2763 to speak with an Mstar representative |
| 23:03.53 | brasto | I remember reading a bit about mut and bitnet |
| 23:04.17 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: thanks |
| 23:04.24 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 23:04.50 | brasto | cool, irc was used by Kuwaitis during the Iraqi invasion. |
| 23:08.09 | bradym | wasn't bitnet more like usenet than irc? |
| 23:10.00 | dataw0lf | yes, mostly because it was PTP/cache and forward |
| 23:10.53 | brasto | yes. but the person that developed irc was inspired by bitnet, and he used bitnet ideas to create irc as a replacement for mut - if I understand correctly |
| 23:11.16 | brasto | s/but/and/ |
| 23:12.35 | dataw0lf | well, Bitnet Relay, not bitnet proper. |
| 23:13.30 | dataw0lf | IRC has kinda had a second golden age with the advent of FreeNode |
| 23:13.48 | dataw0lf | it's still a far cry from the wars that perpetruated between IRC networks in the early-mid nineties, though. |
| 23:13.52 | dataw0lf | those were awesome. |
| 23:13.58 | Utah_Dave | speaking of IRC. I just got tasked with setting up an IRC server on our internal network |
| 23:14.33 | *** part/#uphpu pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 23:14.34 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: why not just use an existing one? |
| 23:14.35 | Utah_Dave | any suggestions for IRC servers? Unreal IRC comes up in Google |
| 23:14.49 | SunSparc | Running your own can be time consuming and painful. |
| 23:14.50 | Utah_Dave | SunSparc: It's for our internal network that doesn't touch the internet |
| 23:15.17 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: hybrid, ratbox |
| 23:15.41 | dataw0lf | I like ratbox, personally. Hybrid and Unreal both have their own unique problems. |
| 23:16.03 | Utah_Dave | cool. I'm looking at them right now |
| 23:16.59 | bradym | dataw0lf: yeah, the network wars were quite the adventure |
| 23:17.10 | Utah_Dave | does the IRC server do the user authentication itself? Or do you have to run some other IRC services? |
| 23:17.41 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: generally other services. |
| 23:17.50 | bradym | some will have chanserv / nickserv type services built in, others you have to add it yourself.. usually as a seperate service or a bot |
| 23:18.04 | dataw0lf | bradym: Yea. I think Undernet still has a bot of me from the last time me and the rN group in Chicago hacked it. |
| 23:18.05 | Utah_Dave | Ok. I see that ratbox has a related project for that |
| 23:18.10 | brasto | I once had someone hijack my public server and run an irc server on it |
| 23:18.23 | Utah_Dave | ~hack brasto |
| 23:18.24 | jbot | ACTION teaches brasto nethack so that brasto will play until 6 AM |
| 23:18.27 | brasto | it didn't give them much joy since I shut it down within a few minutes |
| 23:18.32 | brasto | lol |
| 23:18.33 | bradym | dataw0lf: nice ;) |
| 23:18.34 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: http://freenode.net/hyperion.shtml |
| 23:19.28 | brasto | Utah_Dave: what's your OS? |
| 23:19.39 | Utah_Dave | Fedora 8 |
| 23:20.11 | brasto | you might search Fedora 8/Red Hat package repositories for what they have, then look at reviews on those products. |
| 23:22.19 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: you see that the Django book is finished and published online? |
| 23:23.38 | mgeary | dataw0lf: link? |
| 23:23.43 | mgeary | djangoproject.com |
| 23:24.03 | mgeary | http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2007/dec/16/book/ |
| 23:24.04 | mgeary | nice |
| 23:24.07 | mgeary | i love django |
| 23:24.26 | mgeary | if i had my web dev career to start all over, i would have gone straight to python |
| 23:24.35 | mgeary | it's hard now, with all the infrastructure we've got |
| 23:28.51 | dataw0lf | I got offered a job as lead developer for the Reno Gazette Journal - they're converting entirely to Django for most of their stuff, after playing with Rails for a while. I'm waiting for the salary offer this week. |
| 23:29.10 | mgeary | cool |
| 23:29.21 | mgeary | are you already in reno? |
| 23:29.37 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 23:29.39 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: yeah, I actually spent about 2 hours reading it online last night |
| 23:30.14 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Nice. I'm waiting for my print edition to arrive before I dive in. |
| 23:30.38 | Utah_Dave | cool. I'm thinking of doing a client's site in django. It's a small newspaper here in Utah |
| 23:31.15 | dataw0lf | it's a lot of fun to work in. |
| 23:31.48 | bradym | I need to get into python and django.. i've played a tiny bit with python and so far like what i see |
| 23:33.02 | dataw0lf | Core Python Programming is an excellent book if you're already an experienced programmer. |
| 23:33.24 | bradym | i was playing around with writing a desktop application, and in a couple hours i had a working (though very simple) text editor |
| 23:33.56 | bradym | it was basically a notepad clone, but it had a spellchecker too |
| 23:34.04 | bradym | thx dataw0lf, i'll check it out |
| 23:34.56 | dataw0lf | yea? Did you use Tkinter or something else? |
| 23:35.40 | bradym | seems like i was using the wx stuff |
| 23:35.51 | bradym | been almost a year since i even looked at that code |
| 23:36.57 | dataw0lf | wx is pretty slick. |
| 23:38.30 | Utah_Dave | I use wx a bit, too |
| 23:38.48 | bradym | yeah, i was very impressed.. obviously my program isn't very impressive but the fact that i was able to get something like that built in a couple hours using a language i don't even really know :) |
| 23:39.22 | synic | wxpython-- :P |
| 23:39.45 | dataw0lf | bah GTK-- |
| 23:40.03 | synic | yer face-- |
| 23:40.08 | dataw0lf | my face++ |
| 23:40.15 | synic | ! how dare you! |
| 23:40.18 | dataw0lf | :\ |
| 23:41.10 | dataw0lf | ooooh, the daily global warming argument in the office "omg it is snowing global warming is all lies ololol" |
| 23:41.34 | dataw0lf | time to explain how oceans warming up increases evaporation and thus preciptation and moisture absorption by clouds, bbiab |
| 23:44.56 | brasto | maybe dataw0lf's fart contributed to global warming... |
| 23:46.52 | dataw0lf | minutely, I'm sure. |
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