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| 14:44.44 | mindjuju | greets gents |
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| 14:53.43 | influx^^ | mindjuju: ! |
| 14:53.49 | influx^^ | I spaced the comic |
| 14:54.06 | influx^^ | I've been busy looking for a job around here. |
| 15:02.14 | mindjuju | how is the job hunt going? |
| 15:04.49 | mindjuju | brb |
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| 15:20.08 | timinator | mornin' ladies |
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| 15:33.30 | synic | crap, I forgot about the lunch again. I r stupid. |
| 15:41.51 | brasto | anyone have a copy of LoTR handy (the book(s), not the movie)? |
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| 15:43.53 | pelaofeliz | brasto: how come? |
| 15:44.22 | brasto | sweet! I'm looking for a quote in it, and I don't have the book near me. It's when they first arrive in Lothlorien, and I think it's when Haldir takes off the blindfolds. Haldir says something like this: "And though in these times love is mingled with grief, it grows, perhaps, the stronger". |
| 15:44.41 | brasto | If you have a moment pelaofeliz, send that quote to me, please. |
| 15:45.01 | pelaofeliz | ...searching... |
| 15:45.42 | brasto | It's a great summary of this year for me, so I'm going to make that the first sentence of my Christmas newsletter. |
| 15:47.13 | pelaofeliz | found it |
| 15:47.20 | pelaofeliz | ...it's just before they take off the blindfolds |
| 15:47.25 | brasto | We found that my wife has a brain tumor, and I nearly lost her after she delivered our fourth child. But this grief has made me appreciate what I have, what I nearly lost. |
| 15:47.36 | brasto | sweet, I was close. |
| 15:48.08 | pelaofeliz | "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater." |
| 15:48.43 | pelaofeliz | That's terrifying |
| 15:48.45 | brasto | Yes! I love that quote. Thanks pelaofeliz. That's one of the many gems in LoTR. |
| 15:48.46 | pelaofeliz | is she okay now? |
| 15:50.53 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org |
| 15:51.23 | brasto | Yes, she's gone through much, she has no hair after radiation therapy, and she's lost some memories. But daily more of herself returns. Each week strength returns. She was bed-ridden for about 2 months. She went to a wheelchair, to a cane, to walking short distancess, and now she walks longer distances. She couldn't find the words she wanted to communicate her needs and desires, now she usually can. When she can't right away, she can pause for a moment a |
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| 15:53.08 | pelaofeliz | brasto: and she's cancer free? |
| 15:54.25 | brasto | not yet. She has a year of chemo treatments - still 10 months to go. Every other month she will get an MRI on her brain, and they evaluate the progress. To be officially cancer free, I think she'll need to go 8 years without any cancer growth. |
| 15:54.50 | pelaofeliz | wow |
| 15:55.17 | pelaofeliz | do you have kids? How are they handling it? |
| 15:56.17 | mindjuju | ~quote Goog |
| 15:56.43 | mindjuju | ~quote Adobe |
| 15:57.16 | mindjuju | ~quote adbe |
| 15:58.09 | brasto | We have 4, including a baby she had 4 days before she had seizures and went bed-ridden for 2 months - when she lost all her memories. I've had to answer questions from my children I never thought I'd have to answer: "When will mom die?" (from my 8-year-old daughter) and "Why does mommy have a brain tumor?" (from my 4-year-old boy). Overall, our family has grown stronger though - like that quote from Tolkien. |
| 16:02.32 | brasto | if I recall correctly, pelaofeliz, Haldir is astonished at something one of the Hobbits says, wishing nothing bad had happened, even if it meant they could not see Lothlorien? |
| 16:03.31 | pelaofeliz | right. |
| 16:04.52 | pelaofeliz | immediately before that quote, Merry says "...if I had known what the world outside was like, I don't think I should have had the heart to leave it." |
| 16:04.53 | pelaofeliz | Haldir: "Not even to see fair Lothlorien?" then the quote |
| 16:05.13 | brasto | cool |
| 16:05.15 | pelaofeliz | "...to leave [the Shire]." |
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| 16:07.56 | brasto | they managed to put most of that quote in the movie, but they gave the line to Galadriel, and they left out the most important part: they left out "it grows perhaps the greater". |
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| 16:08.47 | pelaofeliz | yeah |
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| 16:17.58 | brasto | ~seen Utah_Dave |
| 16:18.00 | jbot | utah_dave <n=David_Bo@c-67-172-225-211.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 16h 27m 15s ago, saying: '~lart flaky routers'. |
| 16:18.36 | brasto | rats, I need to 'ras Utah_Dave a bit about going to San Diego and not being able to enjoy it... |
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| 16:20.27 | brasto | ~welcome fungus |
| 16:20.28 | jbot | [all in unison] Hi, fungus! |
| 16:21.23 | brasto | screen name aka nick |
| 16:21.24 | fungus | Stupid 12-yr old trying to be disgusting. |
| 16:21.40 | brasto | you chose that name when you were 12? |
| 16:22.00 | fungus | about that. |
| 16:22.21 | fungus | maybe closer to 14 |
| 16:22.53 | fungus | it started in the BBSs |
| 16:22.55 | mindjuju | i got my first handle on BBS |
| 16:22.56 | brasto | s/12/geeky 12/ |
| 16:22.57 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 16:23.06 | brasto | doh! |
| 16:23.14 | brasto | that didn't correct the right sentence... |
| 16:23.22 | mindjuju | Harry's Asylum in Houston |
| 16:23.30 | brasto | s/12 to 14/geeky 12 to 14/ |
| 16:23.48 | brasto | ~BBS |
| 16:23.49 | jbot | [bbs] bulletin board system, typically used by dialing in directly with a modem, back in the "old days" |
| 16:24.03 | brasto | cool |
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| 16:27.59 | mindjuju | man, half the office is out sick today |
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| 16:38.58 | timinator | I'm out till Thursday... have a good week everyone |
| 16:40.47 | SunSparc | Man, those days of BBS's were interesting. |
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| 16:59.33 | orsonj | looks like macnewbold's computer had a fun weekend |
| 16:59.45 | mgeary | ? |
| 17:01.21 | macnewbold | no kidding |
| 17:01.42 | macnewbold | I've been fighting our stupid routers since last wednesday morning |
| 17:02.38 | mindjuju | timinator, out til Thursday? man, i need to start looking |
| 17:03.03 | mindjuju | macnewbold, did you get your router fixed? |
| 17:03.09 | macnewbold | :( |
| 17:03.11 | macnewbold | maybe |
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| 17:09.43 | PoeticIntensity | mornin' all! |
| 17:09.54 | mindjuju | sup PoeticIntensity |
| 17:10.16 | PoeticIntensity | just crawlin' in to work... |
| 17:10.53 | mindjuju | must have been on heck of a party |
| 17:13.00 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
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| 17:23.42 | mgeary | RIP Dan Fogelberg, 56 |
| 17:23.50 | mindjuju | i just saw that |
| 17:23.57 | mindjuju | that's sad |
| 17:24.13 | mindjuju | i was just trying to think of the name of that particular song |
| 17:25.59 | mindjuju | or the funds we pay out for social security and medicare / medicaid |
| 17:26.37 | mgeary | at least those funds go back to the taxpayers who paid them |
| 17:26.43 | mindjuju | psh |
| 17:26.48 | mgeary | instead of Halliburton |
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| 17:28.51 | mindjuju | http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/technology/16goog.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin |
| 17:29.24 | orsonj | I like the illustration |
| 17:30.13 | mindjuju | on growth spurt? |
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| 17:34.42 | mindjuju | this article about google v micrsoft, is really v interesting |
| 17:34.53 | mindjuju | talks a little about product lifecycle and business plan |
| 17:36.24 | orsonj | the picture of the boxing ring |
| 17:36.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:37.50 | orsonj | anyone here play with openid? |
| 17:38.15 | mindjuju | orsonj -- just saw it on security now, but don't know anything about it |
| 17:38.20 | mindjuju | is it any good? |
| 17:38.48 | orsonj | It's got potential. |
| 17:39.05 | orsonj | The implementation is a bit more than I can swallow. |
| 17:39.27 | orsonj | I've been trying to look at some php server code to play with. |
| 17:41.56 | orsonj | btw, PPP (Perfect Paper Passwords) has just settled down to a stable spec. |
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| 17:48.53 | mgeary | orsonj: i stumbled across a PHP class-based implementation of PPP recently |
| 17:49.21 | mgeary | looked promising |
| 17:56.32 | mindjuju | anybody by chance know timinator 's email addy? |
| 17:56.37 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.13 | thebigdog | what? |
| 17:57.13 | mindjuju | know timinator email address? |
| 17:57.14 | thebigdog | yeah i have it |
| 17:57.14 | thebigdog | one sec |
| 18:01.18 | orsonj | yep, that guy is pretty sharp. |
| 18:01.48 | fungus | lol |
| 18:02.55 | orsonj | he looked at my code (which I modified from another person's code) to get started, then I copied all his good stuff. |
| 18:03.06 | orsonj | except classes |
| 18:03.47 | orsonj | I haven't taken time to familiarize myself with php classes. |
| 18:08.39 | mgeary | gotta do that |
| 18:08.46 | mgeary | very nice |
| 18:08.59 | mgeary | not as good as python, but waaay better than nothing |
| 18:09.56 | orsonj | and python is another on the list of next things to learn |
| 18:10.33 | mindjuju | wow! nearly 6g email? when did they do the last increase? |
| 18:10.41 | mindjuju | last i saw it was nearing 3g |
| 18:10.57 | wps | not sure… just keeps inching upward |
| 18:11.29 | orsonj | that's nothing. I might have to purchase extra space. I'm up to 71M |
| 18:12.16 | mindjuju | wow - http://www.local6.com/news/14857286/detail.html |
| 18:12.36 | fungus | 6g is nothing, my email provider gives me unlimited storage (as long as I keep buying bigger hard drives). :P |
| 18:12.53 | mindjuju | what kind of world do we live in where a girl brings a steak knife to school to... eat with? and then gets arrested on felony charges? |
| 18:13.02 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:13.16 | wps | that's rediculous |
| 18:14.09 | beandog | heh |
| 18:14.11 | beandog | thats great. |
| 18:14.14 | beandog | gotta love overreacting. |
| 18:14.18 | SunSparc | Give me a break. |
| 18:14.27 | mindjuju | i'm glad i'm not in school these days |
| 18:14.29 | beandog | only in Floriduh. |
| 18:14.37 | mindjuju | so many legal landmines, its crazy |
| 18:15.20 | tierra | omg... that's ridiculous |
| 18:15.44 | tierra | the terrorists really have won |
| 18:15.57 | mindjuju | i've gotten some really nasty paper cuts, i'm surprised they don't ban paper |
| 18:16.01 | beandog | well, you gotta remember all the crazy school shootings too. |
| 18:16.21 | beandog | thats not nearly as dumb as the schoolt hat wouldnt let girls carry purses unless they were on their period |
| 18:16.34 | tierra | heh |
| 18:16.35 | mindjuju | oh, i heard about that |
| 18:16.45 | beandog | nevermind that any fool could strap a knife to their back |
| 18:16.58 | orsonj | nonpublic school++ |
| 18:18.53 | beandog | dont they make you dress up? |
| 18:18.56 | beandog | that would be even worse. |
| 18:19.27 | mindjuju | my son goes to a nonpublic school and he doesn't have to |
| 18:19.45 | orsonj | and who needs knives/guns etc anyway. In the most recent bourne movie he pounded a book into some guy's throat. |
| 18:19.52 | mindjuju | on the other hand, I went to a private school a little while and dressing up wasn't THAT bad |
| 18:19.57 | orsonj | we should ban books from schools. |
| 18:20.32 | mindjuju | books? you could kill somebody with a book by dropping on their head! |
| 18:21.36 | beandog | or you can die from boredom in class |
| 18:21.41 | beandog | I dont see anybody freaking out about that. |
| 18:21.44 | wps | or STDs |
| 18:22.26 | wps | honestly, I'm more worried about my kids and morality than I am their peers having steak knives |
| 18:24.08 | beandog | wps: you obviously arent taking the threat of todays world seriously |
| 18:24.31 | tierra | it's not about whether kids can bring knifes to school or not... it's about having these all these dumb laws that we can't realistically expect kids to have memorize, especially ones that don't even seem illegal (she just wants to cut up her food, give me a break), or even expect parents to ensure these things aren't making it into their kids backpacks everyday before school... |
| 18:24.53 | tierra | okay, lets start setting up metal detectors for elementary schools] |
| 18:24.55 | tierra | heh |
| 18:24.58 | beandog | heh |
| 18:25.09 | beandog | I remember kids bringing big ol knives to school when I was a kid |
| 18:25.18 | beandog | Im pretty sure there werent any knife fights. |
| 18:25.28 | beandog | I mean, whod be stupid enough to stab someone on school grounds. |
| 18:25.38 | tierra | getting arrested for something you didn't even know was a law is dumb |
| 18:26.01 | beandog | arresting a 10-year old is asinine. |
| 18:26.06 | tierra | that too |
| 18:26.14 | beandog | poor kid |
| 18:26.19 | beandog | thats gonna be on her record her entire life. |
| 18:27.24 | tierra | I'm sure plenty of girls were cutting wrists though |
| 18:27.26 | tierra | heh |
| 18:27.56 | beandog | hmm |
| 18:28.00 | beandog | I think I would have remembered that |
| 18:28.07 | beandog | marijuana was a problem, I know that much. |
| 18:29.07 | beandog | thats all I can remember |
| 18:30.59 | mindjuju | yeah, smoking in the boys room |
| 18:31.15 | mindjuju | actually for us though, it was a couple of particular bathrooms, but you could find another easy enough |
| 18:32.26 | beandog | so you were a pothead, mindjuju ? |
| 18:32.28 | beandog | is that what youre saying |
| 18:32.35 | mindjuju | nope , :) |
| 18:32.48 | mindjuju | a debater |
| 18:32.54 | beandog | oh |
| 18:32.59 | beandog | I was in Spanish Club for like 2 weeks. |
| 18:33.01 | beandog | it was boring. |
| 18:33.10 | beandog | and what was the other one .. FEMA or something |
| 18:33.11 | mindjuju | dude, debater chix were hawt |
| 18:33.13 | beandog | FBLA? |
| 18:33.14 | beandog | I cant remmber. |
| 18:33.20 | mindjuju | and smart |
| 18:33.21 | beandog | FBLA sounds right. |
| 18:33.27 | influx^^ | mindjuju: job hunt going not so great |
| 18:33.44 | influx^^ | I was brought onto a freelance project this weekend though, so that helps. |
| 18:33.57 | mindjuju | that cool, influx^^ |
| 18:35.25 | influx^^ | yes sir. |
| 18:40.05 | orsonj | metal detectors aren't all that great. wood, bone, rock and glass all make it through just fine. You could probably get a cat of nine tails through. |
| 18:40.36 | beandog | obviously we need to strip search the 5 year olds. |
| 18:40.46 | orsonj | yep, have the teachers do it. |
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| 19:29.23 | mindjuju | synic, you around? |
| 19:32.24 | synic | mindjuju: yeah. |
| 19:33.22 | mindjuju | synic PM sent |
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| 19:44.20 | dataw0lf | I'm waging a War on Christmas! |
| 19:46.57 | dataw0lf | apparently that's what us secular progressives are supposed to do, disregarding the fact that every protestant based christian faith discouraged Christmas as a religious holiday until the early 20th century. |
| 19:47.43 | dataw0lf | so theoretically I'm traditionally christian! |
| 19:47.44 | dataw0lf | woot. |
| 19:48.52 | burnin | dataw0lf, have you been listening to Bill O'Reilly rants or perhaps reading Christian/Atheist articles on digg? :) |
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| 19:51.30 | dataw0lf | I actually watched a Bill O'Reilly interview set to a laugh track this morning, so I'm a little feisty. 'Twas hilarious. |
| 19:53.41 | dataw0lf | I'm trying to find the clip where the caller calls Bill O'Reilly about lying about military service. |
| 19:56.32 | dataw0lf | I'm thinking of starting a website called "alversusbill.com" to get a petition to have Bill O'Reilly and Al Franken duke it out in a deathmatch ring. |
| 19:56.50 | dataw0lf | donate all the proceeds to the charity of the winner's choosing. |
| 20:02.27 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 20:03.39 | fungus | hey mgeary |
| 20:03.40 | mgeary | do you see any problem with doing "sudo rndc -p 54 reload" nightly as part of a cron maintenance process? If the serial #s of my zone files haven't changed, there shouldn't be a problem with reloading too often, should there? |
| 20:04.21 | fungus | No, it won't create any "problems", but it isn't necessary. |
| 20:04.42 | mgeary | yeah, i just keep forgetting the syntax :) |
| 20:05.07 | mgeary | and this way, if i forget to reload, it'll catch the additions every night |
| 20:05.31 | fungus | You could tweak the named.conf to listen on the normal 993 port, so you could leave of the -p |
| 20:05.51 | fungus | but I am sure of any Mac specific issues that may cause. |
| 20:06.47 | mgeary | np |
| 20:07.11 | fungus | If you make changes that often, you could just add a shell alias. |
| 20:07.17 | mgeary | true |
| 20:07.33 | mgeary | now i just need to write a nice python script to make the slave named.conf entries |
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| 21:50.47 | mindjuju | so was SCSI's use in servers from a reliability standpoint or data transfer / features standpoint? |
| 21:51.02 | thebigdog | both |
| 21:52.46 | mindjuju | so is SATA better than SCSI on those comparatives ? |
| 21:53.27 | mindjuju | seems like the NAS i was looking at was SATA w / hot swap, and 3g/sec data dtransfer |
| 21:55.52 | thebigdog | sata are poor mans scsi drives |
| 21:56.42 | thebigdog | sata do not spin near the speed of scsi drives |
| 21:57.01 | PoeticIntensity | true.... |
| 21:57.04 | thebigdog | sata are cheap |
| 21:57.07 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 21:57.13 | thebigdog | that is why they are used in sans/nas |
| 21:57.16 | PoeticIntensity | but what about data transfer? |
| 21:57.25 | PoeticIntensity | spin speed don't mean jack, AFAIK. |
| 21:57.30 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:57.34 | thebigdog | it means everything |
| 21:57.39 | PoeticIntensity | ...? |
| 21:57.48 | thebigdog | faster reads and more data read in the same about of time |
| 21:57.50 | PoeticIntensity | I think as far as it affects data transfer... |
| 21:57.56 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 21:58.05 | thebigdog | data transfer to the bus...big difference |
| 21:58.12 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
| 21:58.14 | thebigdog | scsi drives have to drive arms too |
| 21:58.18 | thebigdog | sata/pata have 1 |
| 21:58.29 | PoeticIntensity | as we can see, "AFAIK" don't mean jack when PoeticIntensity is talking... :) |
| 21:58.29 | thebigdog | 2 drive arms |
| 21:59.04 | mindjuju | so when are they going to make bigger drives for SCSI like a 1T ? |
| 21:59.09 | thebigdog | ATA drives are cheaper than SCSI or Fibre Channel drives and there's a reason. SCSI and FC drives use a processor for executing the commands and handling the interface and a separate processor controlling the head positioning through servos. ATA drives use a single processor for both which means that if the rotational positioning requires more adjustments due to factors such as rotational vibration or wear, more processor time will be ded |
| 21:59.09 | thebigdog | icated for that which can affect the performance of the drive. Because of this, you will usually see a lower RPM for the ATA disk drive and also a shorter warranty period. But it is cheaper and can be a very good, economical solution for many environments and applications. |
| 21:59.17 | fungus | SATA is up to 300MB/s which is fairly recent, SCSI Ultra320 is 320MB/s has been around for many years. |
| 21:59.43 | thebigdog | another thing is that sata talk scsi interface |
| 21:59.54 | thebigdog | so you can put sata into scsi controllers |
| 22:00.08 | thebigdog | dell does that a lot with their new disc arrays |
| 22:00.15 | beandog | so with all these fast harddrives |
| 22:00.22 | beandog | where is the bottleneck now when it comes to r/w speeds |
| 22:01.09 | thebigdog | well drive speed is still one when comparing sata and scsi |
| 22:01.19 | fungus | beandog: it's all about price/performance now. |
| 22:01.32 | thebigdog | scsi last longer too |
| 22:01.37 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, thebigdog.... I didn't know jack about any of that. |
| 22:01.40 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for the info. |
| 22:01.53 | thebigdog | but fungus hit it |
| 22:01.57 | thebigdog | it is all about price |
| 22:02.00 | mindjuju | man, i just want a kickin' hdd that has 1T |
| 22:02.06 | fungus | you can spend a $#!tload and get super fast and have a different bottleneck, or just deal with cheap drives and keep the bottleneck at the drive. |
| 22:02.12 | mindjuju | are SATA more reliable that PATA? |
| 22:02.18 | thebigdog | and scsi drives you cant get in big sizes |
| 22:02.38 | mindjuju | yeah, what up that? SCSI drives = small |
| 22:03.13 | thebigdog | i think the 500g scsi drives are out |
| 22:03.19 | thebigdog | and the 750g sata drives are out too |
| 22:04.23 | fungus | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822332012 |
| 22:04.32 | fungus | versus |
| 22:04.33 | fungus | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151 |
| 22:04.52 | fungus | Half the price and 8x the capactiy |
| 22:06.17 | thebigdog | mindjuju, they are in terms of data transfer integrity |
| 22:06.42 | thebigdog | also too they are coming out with the sata 6.0gbit/s transfer |
| 22:07.02 | mindjuju | so maybe i should hold out on upgrading my home network? |
| 22:07.17 | tierra | well, there's also seek time to consider, which is more than twice as fast on the SCSI drive |
| 22:07.32 | tierra | but that's only really worth it for commercial purposes |
| 22:07.51 | fungus | Exactly. Unless you *need* super fast, SATA300 is just fine. |
| 22:09.05 | tierra | for a commercial high load db, SCSI is the way to go, and that's where the price difference comes in |
| 22:09.11 | dataw0lf | SCSI over SATA at home would be ridiculous. |
| 22:09.17 | dataw0lf | too expensive for almost no gain in home use |
| 22:09.20 | thebigdog | also to note is that sata transfers are not always sustained due to the disconnect-reconnect and aggregation |
| 22:09.39 | thebigdog | mindjuju, if talking home...sata is the way to go |
| 22:09.56 | thebigdog | i would only get scsi in work production |
| 22:10.00 | thebigdog | where speed is key |
| 22:10.06 | thebigdog | db servers and web servers |
| 22:10.12 | mindjuju | k |
| 22:10.31 | thebigdog | unless you have tons of $$$ to spend |
| 22:10.39 | mindjuju | heh, nope, not really |
| 22:11.29 | thebigdog | just get a bunch of firewire 3200 drives and put them in an lvm |
| 22:11.35 | thebigdog | that would be the cool factor |
| 22:11.52 | mindjuju | yeah, don't have firewire card, was thinking NAS |
| 22:12.15 | thebigdog | or you can get some usb ports and get a ton of usb drives |
| 22:12.19 | thebigdog | like 600 of them |
| 22:12.29 | thebigdog | and have the biggest usb drive chain |
| 22:12.38 | thebigdog | i would pay $10 to see that |
| 22:12.51 | mindjuju | USB drives i have, but they are all USB1 |
| 22:13.02 | thebigdog | anyone ever pics of the ps2 or ps3 cluster someone built |
| 22:13.08 | thebigdog | ever seen |
| 22:13.15 | mindjuju | nope, you got pics? |
| 22:14.22 | thebigdog | i think it was in a magazine |
| 22:14.27 | thebigdog | linux mag |
| 22:14.48 | thebigdog | http://arrakis.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ps2/cluster.php |
| 22:14.50 | thebigdog | there it is |
| 22:15.25 | mindjuju | cool! maybe i'll just buy 2 of these and call it a day, then start saving up for a box with SATAs |
| 22:15.45 | thebigdog | i think i saw it on g4 - http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/44404/PS2_Supercomputer.html |
| 22:20.54 | beandog | mindjuju: how can they be usb1? |
| 22:26.04 | mindjuju | beandog, not sure i follow? |
| 22:26.12 | thebigdog | ~follow mindjuju |
| 22:26.14 | beandog | meh |
| 22:26.16 | beandog | n/m |
| 22:30.32 | mgeary | drives aren't USB1 or 2, the controllers are |
| 22:30.36 | mgeary | unless they're flash drives |
| 22:31.15 | mgeary | a HD attached via USB1 would be more painful than pulling your hair out strand by strand |
| 22:31.23 | mindjuju | oh i see where he got hung up, yeah, said that wrong |
| 22:31.34 | mindjuju | the controller in my comp is USB 1 |
| 22:31.44 | mindjuju | USB drives i have... |
| 22:32.13 | beandog | right |
| 22:32.24 | beandog | laziness prevails once again |
| 22:32.25 | beandog | :) |
| 22:32.27 | beandog | thanks mgeary |
| 22:32.39 | beandog | I'm almost ashamed for that one |
| 22:33.51 | beandog | I thought usb2 was faster |
| 22:34.27 | mgeary | but FW is a "lower level" protocol. copying a ton of files over Firewire doesn't (really) engage the CPU, but USB does |
| 22:34.40 | mgeary | also you can boot from a FW drive, but not (easily) from a USB drive |
| 22:35.03 | mgeary | and there's FW800 which is, i'm pretty sure, faster than USB2 |
| 22:35.03 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:35.14 | beandog | I cant argue with the booting over usb. its a royal pain in the bootiekins. |
| 22:35.23 | beandog | yah, Ive heard there was a 2nd gen FW |
| 22:35.35 | mgeary | also, FW can supply more power over it's wire, so you can actually have a (small) drive that is powered by the FW cable |
| 22:35.39 | mgeary | no transformer needed |
| 22:35.53 | mgeary | FW800 has been out for quite a while. it's used in a lot of video contexts |
| 22:35.58 | beandog | well, if FW makes so much sense, its obvious why USB is more popular. |
| 22:36.02 | mgeary | hahahaha |
| 22:36.07 | beandog | :) |
| 22:36.44 | beandog | heh |
| 22:36.59 | thebigdog | the computer industry is driven by porn |
| 22:37.22 | beandog | thebigdog: are you trying to tell us something? |
| 22:37.32 | beandog | were all very understanding here in #uphpu |
| 22:37.33 | synic | the internet is for porn |
| 22:37.36 | thebigdog | yes, mindjuju loves porn |
| 22:37.56 | thebigdog | oh wait...we all love p0rn |
| 22:38.09 | thebigdog | if there was no p0rn i would not have a job |
| 22:38.18 | beandog | O.o |
| 22:38.22 | beandog | Im not sure I want to go there |
| 22:38.30 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:42.52 | mindjuju | that's funny, didn't know the internet had any other uses other than pr0n |
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| 22:43.44 | mindjuju | oh, and "hacking gibsons" |
| 22:44.14 | influx^^ | hax hax hax |
| 22:44.52 | mindjuju | for some reason, they've been playing that movie nonstop for the last 3 weeks |
| 22:46.38 | brasto | porn destroys families, and victimizes women. the internet is for everything but porn. Abusers add porn, thereby dirtying something great. |
| 22:46.54 | influx^^ | awww |
| 22:47.02 | mindjuju | brasto, we was all joking |
| 22:47.24 | mindjuju | well, at least i think we was ;p |
| 22:48.29 | fungus | the internet wasn't built "for" porn, but porn played a huge role in it's popularization. |
| 22:48.46 | mindjuju | fungus, v true |
| 22:49.32 | fungus | The same way porn decided the ending of the Beta vs VHS battle. |
| 22:50.42 | fungus | Few people want to admit it, but the porn industry has driven lots of new technologies into the forefront. |
| 22:50.50 | mgeary | that's very true |
| 22:51.05 | mgeary | unfortunate, but true |
| 22:52.34 | brasto | fungus, that's true. Porn is evil, but it does motivate people, and it make certain technologies popular. |
| 22:53.32 | SunSparc | Sounds like we have some porn apologists here. |
| 22:53.47 | SunSparc | satan has done a lot for us. |
| 22:54.00 | SunSparc | I mean he is evil and all, but.... |
| 22:54.01 | fungus | I disagree that porn is evil. |
| 22:55.44 | fungus | The deeds done to create porn, or the deeds that porn addicts can be led to may be evil, but porn in itself is not evil. |
| 22:56.48 | brasto | SunSparc: I'm not supporting porn. It's a popular thing, and it contributes to multimedia popularity, but I think they would have grown popular anyway. |
| 23:00.17 | SunSparc | fungus: porn is not like a hammer or some other tool that you can say is morally inert. A hammer is neither good nor evil, it is only how it is used that makes it evil. Porn on the other hand would not exist except for evil. That makes porn inherently evil. |
| 23:00.40 | brasto | well put SunSparc |
| 23:00.53 | SunSparc | brasto: I cannot even dignify your previous comment with a reply. |
| 23:01.00 | SunSparc | brasto: Thank you. |
| 23:01.12 | SunSparc | Nothing personal. |
| 23:01.13 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:02.01 | cole_joplin | I think there is a huge difference between the delivery mechanism (or tool) and the content (the item belineg delivered) |
| 23:02.16 | brasto | no worries. I'll restate it this way. Whether or not porn made technology or the internet popular, it remains thankless from me. I have no gratitude for anything it contributed. |
| 23:02.34 | SunSparc | brasto: Good call :) |
| 23:02.59 | SunSparc | cole_joplin: I agre. |
| 23:04.49 | SunSparc | Anyone here use SVN on a Mac? Of those of you do who, have anyone of you ever run 'svn' from the cli as root? Not as sudo, but as root. |
| 23:04.54 | cole_joplin | Another example is the rcher content that will be making its way onto cell phones. Content versus delivery. As any content demand grows, the delivery system must upgrade or die. |
| 23:05.03 | mgeary | SunSparc: i do, but i've never run it as root |
| 23:05.10 | fungus | SunSparc: never as root. |
| 23:05.30 | fungus | being root is a bad thing. |
| 23:05.37 | mgeary | hey folks, we're building a mass-email tool for a client to use on their mailing list. Anyone have any guidelines on what kind of mail server activity can get you on a blacklist? I'm talking about things like # of messages per hour, not about anything pertaining to mail content. |
| 23:05.56 | SunSparc | mgeary, fungus: yeah, that seems to be the common concensus. I need to rethink the way an app I have inherited is working. |
| 23:06.13 | mgeary | right now, we're chunking the batch in 500 address increments. we send individual emails, we don't BCC or such |
| 23:06.21 | cole_joplin | I know a lot about email delivery.... |
| 23:06.30 | fungus | mgeary: don't focus on details to avoid blacklisting. Focus on being a responsible sender. |
| 23:06.32 | mgeary | we're using our own server for delivery |
| 23:06.48 | mgeary | i believe it *is* responsible |
| 23:06.49 | SunSparc | mgeary: why not use mailman? |
| 23:06.55 | cole_joplin | The biggest hurdle I see is at the policy level of the mail server you are sending to |
| 23:06.59 | fungus | Ensure the list is clean, opted in, etc. |
| 23:07.09 | mindjuju | fungus, as coders, we rarely have that luxury to make that call, ie, mgeary isn't blasting emails for his sake |
| 23:07.11 | mgeary | fungus: yeah, all that's in order. |
| 23:07.27 | cole_joplin | even if everything is "clean", there are throttles in place at some ISPs |
| 23:07.36 | mindjuju | mgeary, sending emails to nonexistant email addys will have the ISP blacklist you if too many |
| 23:07.39 | mgeary | my reasoning is that receiving server X has no clue about other emails going out, so i don't know how any restrictions could be applied |
| 23:07.42 | cole_joplin | particularly AOL and Comcast.net |
| 23:07.43 | mindjuju | so try to clean out bouncebacks |
| 23:07.49 | fungus | ISPs only throttle nonexistent email addys usually |
| 23:07.54 | mgeary | the emails are all qualified |
| 23:07.59 | mgeary | these are subscribers |
| 23:08.18 | cole_joplin | AOL looks at the number of identical emails you send in as a batch |
| 23:08.31 | cole_joplin | if you send 1000 at one time, they will ban you |
| 23:08.34 | fungus | Just use your own servers standard queuing algorithms to handle all that. |
| 23:08.49 | fungus | They were made for a reason. |
| 23:08.59 | cole_joplin | if you send 10 at a time in one SMTP exchange, and have some delays in place, you will not get banned |
| 23:09.32 | cole_joplin | So I want to stress that it's not the sender's mail server you have to worry about, it's the receiver |
| 23:09.50 | jsmith | ~fix the internet |
| 23:09.50 | jbot | ACTION opens the hood of the internet , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
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| 23:10.09 | mindjuju | cole_joplin has a point ... AOL will blacklist if enough complaints come in |
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| 23:10.18 | fungus | mgeary: if you are being a responsible sender, you rarely need to worry about things like that. |
| 23:10.22 | jsmith | macnewbold: Fixed, like you fix a cat? |
| 23:10.28 | cole_joplin | they also have an automated system that does the counting |
| 23:10.51 | mindjuju | i know, qualified, filled out form... etc etc, see small print, but can't tell you how many times i've had to call AOL because a legit client of ours has marked us as spam |
| 23:10.52 | cole_joplin | they also look to see if you have altered the content, the sender name, looking for typical spamming patterns |
| 23:11.04 | macnewbold | jsmith: not quite, but I was about ready to consider something along those lines |
| 23:11.23 | cole_joplin | It's not the list |
| 23:11.28 | cole_joplin | Some is content |
| 23:11.42 | cole_joplin | MOst of it is volume in one SMTP exchange |
| 23:12.10 | mindjuju | thebigdog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk9xzUHKKiA&NR=1 |
| 23:12.37 | mindjuju | or anybody else who likes the wassup commercials |
| 23:13.20 | cole_joplin | I also want to stress that if you get AOL and Comcast to start banning your IP, your ISP will get very angry at you and shut down all your email servers. |
| 23:13.47 | wps | a job announcement just went out to the list a few minutes ago |
| 23:13.49 | cole_joplin | Your ISP will sell you down the river fast. |
| 23:13.52 | wps | did anyone receive it (via email)? |
| 23:14.07 | cole_joplin | They aren't going to jeoaprdize their banks for your business requirements |
| 23:14.11 | mgeary | wps: yes |
| 23:14.24 | wps | k… my copy must be stuck in traffic |
| 23:14.34 | wps | thanks |
| 23:15.27 | wps | there we go |
| 23:15.43 | mgeary | looking for someone to share the burden, wps? |
| 23:15.47 | wps | yup |
| 23:15.51 | mgeary | fun |
| 23:15.58 | wps | would be my counterpart |
| 23:16.39 | wps | it'd be a sweet job as you wouldn't be lost in the sea of engineers |
| 23:16.41 | brasto | brb |
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| 23:16.54 | wps | it'd be a team of three… director, me, you |
| 23:17.35 | mgeary | well hey, influx^^ was looking for work.... |
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| 23:26.41 | influx^^ | hmm? |
| 23:26.44 | influx^^ | what? |
| 23:27.20 | influx^^ | can't access my email right now. at a temp assignment. |
| 23:28.25 | mindjuju | so gents, i hate to play the "what's worse" game, but i have a question... |
| 23:28.51 | mindjuju | What's worse? plugging PHP module into IIS or running Apache/PHP on a win 2k3 box? |
| 23:29.10 | mindjuju | from my standpoint, they were 6s |
| 23:29.10 | thebigdog | pluging php into iis |
| 23:29.15 | mindjuju | wondering what consensus was |
| 23:29.17 | brasto | ~lart the inflated "Cast not your Perl before Swine" thread in PLUG |
| 23:29.17 | jbot | stabs the inflated "Cast not your Perl before Swine" thread in PLUG |
| 23:29.25 | herlo | brasto: agreed |
| 23:29.36 | herlo | PHP with IIS is worse IMO |
| 23:29.39 | fungus | mindjuju: IIS is worse |
| 23:29.50 | mindjuju | k |
| 23:30.02 | brasto | herlo same for "Never a Doh! moment"... |
| 23:30.05 | herlo | apache/php on 2k3 is smooth and easy, and apache is actually built to work on windows very nicely |
| 23:30.20 | herlo | brasto: I wish that gmail had an ignore feature for labels |
| 23:30.32 | herlo | I can mute something in my inbox, but nowhere else... |
| 23:30.41 | cole_joplin | I agree...but that's like asking if you want your sister severely maimed or killed outright |
| 23:30.50 | brasto | lol |
| 23:31.03 | brasto | ouch, good analogy cole_joplin |
| 23:31.16 | mindjuju | cole_joplin, was that on my question or another statement in the IRC ? |
| 23:31.19 | brasto | fungus: do you use something in tbird for that? |
| 23:31.36 | fungus | No, I am using Mail.app on OSX |
| 23:31.54 | fungus | Pressing delete on a closed thread does what it should. |
| 23:32.12 | thebigdog | i wish tb did that |
| 23:32.28 | herlo | fungus: yeah, but if the thread comes back |
| 23:32.45 | fungus | I don't look in the plug folder that often to care. |
| 23:34.06 | brasto | I'm not sure I'd want to delete a whole thread every time on a closed thread... I'm used to it deleting the top item in the thread. |
| 23:34.51 | fungus | That is a familiarity vs design issue |
| 23:35.25 | fungus | selecting a closed thread should cause any operation apply to the whole thread. Good Design. |
| 23:35.50 | fungus | Selecting a closed thread applying to the top message. Familiar. |
| 23:36.37 | brasto | wps, I'm very interested in that position. I'd feel a bit guilty since I'm new to the job I currently have, but the Omniture opening is exactly the type of position I'm looking for. |
| 23:36.48 | brasto | that, or management over that type of position... |
| 23:37.52 | brasto | Code Greene, Omniture, and Doba are all top employment choices for me. Omniture's been on my top choices for employment for a long time. |
| 23:38.13 | mgeary | and don't forget The Treeline Group. *Everyone* wants to work for them.... |
| 23:38.59 | wps | come on in for an interview |
| 23:39.38 | mgeary | ...which isn't currently hiring. but boy, if we were, what an opportunity |
| 23:39.39 | brasto | wps, I think I'd like to review on some of the requirements - any recommendations? |
| 23:39.52 | brasto | mgeary, I'll add it to my list ;) |
| 23:40.10 | brasto | what does the treeline group do? |
| 23:40.26 | mgeary | custom app development primarily |
| 23:40.28 | wps | uh… no I don't think so |
| 23:40.35 | mindjuju | what does the treeline group do? What don't they do? |
| 23:40.36 | mgeary | (LAMP) |
| 23:40.45 | mgeary | mindjuju: hehe |
| 23:40.52 | mindjuju | like Spiderman, but less whiny and more superpowers |
| 23:40.57 | mgeary | we don't do "commodity-level" work, though |
| 23:41.06 | mgeary | at least, we don't try to be price-competitive there |
| 23:42.00 | mgeary | we build apps, not really sites, though we do sites in some contexts |
| 23:42.19 | mgeary | e.g. http://www.pteval.com/ |
| 23:43.44 | wps | wow… haven't seen Netscape for a while |
| 23:43.51 | mgeary | yeah, old screen caps |
| 23:43.55 | mgeary | :) |
| 23:44.11 | wps | yeah… Netscape on pre-OS X |
| 23:44.13 | wps | :) |
| 23:44.21 | wps | I was in high school |
| 23:44.24 | mgeary | hahaah |
| 23:44.51 | mgeary | doh! |
| 23:44.54 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 23:45.00 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 23:45.17 | wps | that was awesome |
| 23:45.22 | brasto | lol |
| 23:45.25 | mgeary | :D |
| 23:45.57 | mgeary | ahhh. i remember |
| 23:46.04 | mgeary | client took that down |
| 23:46.10 | mgeary | not all the way, apparently |
| 23:46.16 | mgeary | durn them |
| 23:47.04 | brasto | pelaofeliz: finally published the short blog. I had more to say, but kept trimming it down... people don't read long blogs... |
| 23:47.16 | brasto | link coming up |
| 23:56.32 | brasto | got distracted... for anyone interested: http://flfn.org/blog/brasto/2007-revisited |
| 23:57.20 | herlo | brasto: its untrue that people don't read long blogs |
| 23:57.37 | wps | I thought that I had written this down, but I guess I didn't |
| 23:57.42 | herlo | infact, I'd say they read blogs that are interesting to them and length only has to do with amount of interest in it... |
| 23:57.53 | brasto | ok... maybe /most/ people don't read long blogs |
| 23:57.55 | wps | anyone know how to switch to UTF-8 in mysql monitor off the top of their head? |
| 23:58.06 | *** join/#uphpu mikesmullin (i=user@63.76.119.176) |
| 23:58.08 | herlo | brasto: I still disagree with that |
| 23:58.18 | herlo | brasto: most people just *dont* read blogs |
| 23:58.20 | brasto | herlo, so your saying I don't write interesting blogs? |
| 23:58.20 | brasto | jk |
| 23:58.27 | herlo | there are 6billion people you know |
| 23:58.28 | herlo | :) |
| 23:58.29 | *** part/#uphpu mikesmullin (i=user@63.76.119.176) |
| 23:58.29 | brasto | lol |
| 23:58.58 | wps | never mind |
| 23:59.00 | wps | I remembered |
| 23:59.03 | brasto | ~seen pelaofeliz |
| 23:59.04 | jbot | pelaofeliz is currently on #utah (9h 11m 54s) #uphpu (9h 11m 54s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 7h 50m 17s, last said: 'yeah'. |
| 23:59.06 | wps | "set names utf8" |
| 23:59.26 | herlo | wps: whew, glad we could *not* help |
| 23:59.31 | brasto | wps, yep, that's it. |
| 23:59.32 | herlo | :) |
| 23:59.38 | brasto | :) |
| 23:59.40 | wps | much appreciated |