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| 14:57.00 | timinator | morning guys |
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| 15:41.08 | mindjuju | morning gents |
| 15:41.24 | thebigdog | morning |
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| 16:10.03 | mindjuju | free copy of MS Vista for all you sadists! - http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/11/snag-vista-ultimate-for-free-in-exchange-for-your-privacy/ |
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| 16:21.58 | mindjuju | ~colo |
| 16:22.57 | mindjuju | jbot: colo is taking your server to a datacenter and use their internet connection for phat pipe |
| 16:22.57 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 16:23.19 | mindjuju | ~colo |
| 16:23.19 | jbot | rumour has it, colo is taking your server to a datacenter and use their internet connection for phat pipe |
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| 17:11.21 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, free Vista eh'? |
| 17:12.09 | mindjuju | yeah, i'll prolly pass on that, though i guess i could fire up a box, slap vista on it and activate some macros to simulate web traffic |
| 17:12.10 | PoeticIntensity | interesting. |
| 17:12.40 | mindjuju | it's like that grocery "discount" card that they really use to track your purchases |
| 17:13.21 | mindjuju | heh, all my purchases are under William Jefferson Clinton, 1400 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington D.C. |
| 17:13.33 | mindjuju | don't remember the zip on hand, but used the right zip when filling out the app |
| 17:14.50 | PoeticIntensity | awesome! |
| 17:15.28 | mindjuju | yeah, good times |
| 17:15.55 | mindjuju | he gets all my targeted coupons, i get my privacy |
| 17:16.06 | mindjuju | its win win |
| 17:38.38 | SunSparc | I don't think he lives at that address anymore. |
| 17:38.46 | SunSparc | But they probably forward. |
| 17:39.51 | mindjuju | yeah, i've had these grocery cards since Houston... it's a good thing they are all owed by larger parent company. like my kroger card works at smiths, etc |
| 17:42.25 | SunSparc | Nice |
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| 17:57.59 | orsonj | ~rlart |
| 17:58.00 | jbot | nabs the moon and broadsides thebigdog with the sea of tranquility |
| 17:59.33 | orsonj | can anyone check to see if they can hit google? |
| 17:59.50 | jsmith | orsonj: Works for me! |
| 17:59.58 | SunSparc | My arm is not that long. |
| 18:00.27 | SunSparc | I am able to access their web site though. |
| 18:00.30 | orsonj | I was hoping someone in our group would be closer than I was. |
| 18:00.47 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:00.49 | orsonj | I think I'm getting a dns error someone have an ip? |
| 18:01.14 | SunSparc | Google.com = 64.233.187.99 |
| 18:01.18 | orsonj | thank |
| 18:01.20 | orsonj | s |
| 18:01.59 | jsmith | ~nslookup google.com |
| 18:01.59 | jsmith | ~host google.com |
| 18:02.00 | jbot | see nslookup google.com |
| 18:03.07 | SunSparc | ~lart jbot |
| 18:03.07 | jbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at sunsparc |
| 18:03.13 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:03.33 | orsonj | odd, I can't get there that way either. |
| 18:04.05 | SunSparc | how about apple.com? |
| 18:07.31 | orsonj | apple comes up fine. |
| 18:12.27 | SunSparc | can you traceroute to google? |
| 18:13.46 | unum | orsonj: it's your network |
| 18:13.53 | unum | one of the usu it guys just noticed it |
| 18:14.10 | orsonj | the last ip it hits is 209.124.191.168 |
| 18:14.21 | unum | ah it's on nm too |
| 18:14.25 | unum | oh you start that |
| 18:18.52 | orsonj | ok, it's back now |
| 18:20.44 | orsonj | funny, usu sent out an official outage notice that google was down. |
| 18:21.01 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 18:50.00 | jsmith | orsonj: Seriously? |
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| 19:15.22 | mindjuju | that's funny, talk about delusions of grandeur on the part of USU IT-- let's see, Google isn't coming up, is it: A. Our network or B. Google ? |
| 19:16.56 | bradym | wait, what did USU IT do now? |
| 19:17.17 | mindjuju | bradym - (11:20:52 AM) orsonj: funny, usu sent out an official outage notice that google was down. |
| 19:17.25 | bradym | lol |
| 19:18.00 | bradym | that doesn't suprise me one bit |
| 19:18.20 | mindjuju | why is that? |
| 19:18.36 | bradym | it's USU IT... |
| 19:18.47 | bradym | they do that kind of thing |
| 19:19.08 | bradym | lol |
| 19:19.11 | bradym | Logan |
| 19:19.20 | mindjuju | ah |
| 19:19.40 | mindjuju | seems like i've heard Logan has trees, i should go up there and check |
| 19:19.58 | bradym | i went to school there and worked there doing webdev and anything related to technology... so I dealt with the IT group a fair amount |
| 19:20.18 | bradym | Yes, Logan does indeed have trees |
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| 19:20.38 | mindjuju | bradym - are there lots of trees in Logan? |
| 19:20.56 | bradym | not more than any other place in Utah.. |
| 19:21.13 | bradym | though we're in a valley so the trees on the mountains make it really beautiful in the fall |
| 19:21.22 | bradym | er.. logan is in a valley.. |
| 19:21.29 | mindjuju | oh, bummer |
| 19:22.21 | bradym | yeah, it's nothing like virginia in terms of the tree population |
| 19:23.54 | herlo | bradym: there's South Carolina |
| 19:24.11 | herlo | and West Virginia, and North Carolina too, what about Massachussetts? |
| 19:24.21 | bradym | i meant Logan is nothing like Virginia in terms of the tree population |
| 19:24.30 | bradym | :) |
| 19:24.41 | herlo | hehe |
| 19:24.52 | mindjuju | yeah, North Carolina... beautiful |
| 19:25.00 | mindjuju | went down there for a wedding of college buddy |
| 19:26.29 | bradym | I agree - NC is great |
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| 19:34.31 | timinator | still away for the most part though :( |
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| 19:57.36 | beandog | http://www.lefthandedtoons.com/131/ |
| 19:57.44 | beandog | I have another new favorite comic |
| 19:59.19 | mindjuju | beandog, that's very true |
| 19:59.29 | mindjuju | we have regular pillows and "show" pillows |
| 19:59.40 | mindjuju | and nobody is allowed to use the "show" pillows |
| 20:01.37 | beandog | like the guest towels |
| 20:01.42 | beandog | I always use them just to spite people. |
| 20:01.53 | mindjuju | :) |
| 20:04.25 | unum | my coworker relates to that one |
| 20:04.31 | unum | he saw the price tag |
| 20:04.41 | unum | his wife assured him they were on a really good sale |
| 20:04.55 | unum | he said he chose to believe that meant 95% off |
| 20:14.15 | mindjuju | was it hmm hmmm hmmm toasty! ? |
| 20:35.41 | brasto | yeppers! |
| 20:45.16 | SunSparc | Even if their stuff is slightly more costly. |
| 20:48.33 | brasto | s/Quiznos/Quizno's/ |
| 20:48.54 | SunSparc | Those are good things to have. Then you could get the bite sized over priced Sammy's for free. |
| 20:49.25 | brasto | it's $2 off regular or large sub |
| 20:51.03 | SunSparc | Oh |
| 20:51.04 | SunSparc | :( |
| 20:51.14 | SunSparc | The Sammy's look tasty |
| 20:51.28 | SunSparc | in an appetizer way. |
| 20:51.45 | bradym | Ok, anther sql question - I've heard people say that using distinct is "evil".... is there anything to back that up? |
| 20:52.42 | SunSparc | I have never heard that. Why would it be evil? |
| 20:52.45 | jsmith | bradym: Look at the output of an EXPLAIN on the query... |
| 20:52.47 | SunSparc | I think it is quite handy |
| 20:54.05 | SunSparc | Although, I guess using distinct assumes some possible problems with the organization and normalization of the database... |
| 20:54.36 | bradym | jsmith: i'm looking, but i probably don't know what i'm looking for ;) |
| 20:55.05 | dataw0lf | bradym: DISTINCT optimization is terrible on large data sets. |
| 20:55.36 | dataw0lf | and with a properly designed db you shouldn't have cloned rows anyways |
| 20:56.40 | dataw0lf | well, very rarely, anyways. |
| 20:57.59 | bradym | cloned rows, yeah.. definitely.. but sometimes there's a field that will have duplicate data.. say locations of a store or something.. and there are several of them in one city.. |
| 20:59.09 | bradym | so the better way to do that would be use a group by clause? |
| 20:59.52 | bradym | or let php handle filtering out duplicates? |
| 21:01.45 | dataw0lf | either/or. I wouldn't use DISTINCT on any large data set, but with small tables (or when you're not worried about optimization) it can be useful. |
| 21:04.21 | bradym | ok, cool.. thx dataw0lf |
| 21:04.59 | bradym | one of these days i'm gonna have to go take a db class |
| 21:05.50 | dataw0lf | there's nothing wrong with DISTINCT in theory, generally. It's usually with how DBMSes implement it. |
| 21:07.00 | dataw0lf | and how people model their databases, too. |
| 21:07.48 | bradym | ok, that makes more sense.. i keep thinking if DISTINCT is so evil, why is it in sql in the first place? |
| 21:08.24 | dataw0lf | because let's say you have a city field, and you want to DISTINCT Springville. But then you have to DISTINCT city, state, and maybe even zipcode. Exponentially the query is going to grow in processing time. |
| 21:09.03 | dataw0lf | there are a lot of people who just tend to use DISTINCT when modelling their data correctly and/or processing it via PHP, ASP, or whatever would work better and faster. |
| 21:14.04 | bradym | ok.. so i did a query both ways, the main difference i see in the EXPLAIN results for each is that DISTINCT has "Using filesort" - is that where the extra prcessing comes from? |
| 21:14.21 | bradym | oops.. i got that backwards |
| 21:14.53 | bradym | group by has the filesort |
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| 21:24.24 | brasto | ~Tim Burton |
| 21:24.30 | brasto | ~wiki Tim Burton |
| 21:24.31 | bradym | What news mindjuju? |
| 21:24.39 | mindjuju | brasto? you don't know Tim Burton???? |
| 21:24.51 | brasto | name sounds familiar... |
| 21:24.52 | mindjuju | bradym - Tim Burton is going to direct Alice in Wonderland |
| 21:25.02 | mindjuju | k, so that's awesome, he'll do really well, except |
| 21:25.08 | bradym | awesome |
| 21:25.13 | brasto | ah... the santa/holloween movie guy? |
| 21:25.20 | mindjuju | what is Johnny depp going to be? Alice? |
| 21:25.30 | bradym | the mad hatter of course... |
| 21:25.33 | bradym | :) |
| 21:25.47 | mindjuju | Tim Burton -- Johnny Depp - Danny Elfman = perfect combination |
| 21:26.35 | bradym | brasto: Batman (the original), Beatlejuice, Sleepy Hollow, Nightmare before Christmas.. all Tim Burton.. plus many others |
| 21:26.53 | mindjuju | don't forget Charlie and choco factory |
| 21:27.20 | mindjuju | batman 2 was the best of the batman |
| 21:27.37 | bradym | i know i missed a bunch of his good ones :) |
| 21:28.19 | mindjuju | i don't know what it is about that combination, but the three of them make awesome movies |
| 21:28.32 | bradym | yeah definitely |
| 21:28.39 | mindjuju | so, back to the quandry |
| 21:28.48 | mindjuju | what's Johnny Depp goign to be? Alice? |
| 21:28.52 | mindjuju | jabberwocky? |
| 21:29.09 | mindjuju | maybe the cheshire cat? |
| 21:31.49 | bradym | The mad hatter |
| 21:32.03 | mindjuju | Oh! The mad hatter! |
| 21:32.11 | mindjuju | i bet that's it |
| 21:32.17 | mindjuju | he'd be an awesome mad hatter |
| 21:32.59 | bradym | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mad_Hatter.JPG |
| 21:34.05 | mindjuju | i've always wanted to play American McGee's Alice |
| 21:37.44 | bradym | never actually heard of it, just thought that was a cool pic of the mad hatter |
| 21:43.45 | fungus | I've played American McGee's Alice. |
| 21:43.57 | mindjuju | is it as good as it looks? |
| 21:44.01 | fungus | Its quite twisted, but still fun. |
| 21:44.35 | fungus | I'll try to bring my copy to the Geek Lunch on Friday, you can borrow it. |
| 21:44.44 | mindjuju | that would be awesome! |
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| 22:35.11 | mgeary | what's the linux-approved CLI way of adding a user? |
| 22:35.26 | mgeary | don't see the useradd script on this system |
| 22:36.20 | mgeary | ah, nevermind, just wasn't in my path |
| 22:44.22 | mgeary | how do you specify that someone should be chrooted in ftp? i've set the home directory, but it's still possible to "cd .." out of it |
| 22:45.05 | synic | depends on the ftpd |
| 22:45.19 | mgeary | vsftpd |
| 22:45.30 | mgeary | ah |
| 22:45.30 | mgeary | found it |
| 22:46.28 | mgeary | bingo |
| 22:56.55 | wps | pingbacks and trackbacks are stupid |
| 23:02.06 | dataw0lf | couldn't agree more |
| 23:06.33 | mgeary | pingbacks? |
| 23:07.07 | tierra | !wp pingback |
| 23:07.14 | tierra | ~wp pingback |
| 23:07.21 | tierra | ~wiki pingback |
| 23:09.51 | orsonj | sounds like it is supposed to be a more realtime version of google's link: search option. |
| 23:13.47 | mindjuju | huh, dude nearly kills self by drinking nearly a liter of vodka - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_re_eu/airport_vodka |
| 23:14.07 | wps | wow |
| 23:17.43 | tierra | heh |
| 23:19.06 | tierra | YYUUUU CAN TAKE NOT MY FREEDOM!!111!!! |
| 23:20.37 | wps | funny… I was wondering the same thing |
| 23:21.02 | mindjuju | i was trying to find that out, but all i could find is that vodka is 40% alcohol |
| 23:21.47 | dataw0lf | the normal serving amount? |
| 23:21.51 | dataw0lf | it's not food. |
| 23:21.57 | dataw0lf | but 1 oz is a shot. |
| 23:22.08 | mindjuju | yeah, but i meant compared to like a beer |
| 23:22.10 | wps | ha ha |
| 23:22.12 | tierra | I'd be plastered with an 1/8th of that bottle |
| 23:22.14 | wps | what a great quote |
| 23:22.18 | wps | "it's not food" |
| 23:22.41 | dataw0lf | or 1.5 rather |
| 23:22.48 | wps | I'm surprised someone posted about phpBB |
| 23:22.54 | dataw0lf | 1.5 ounce = 1 beer, about mindjuju |
| 23:22.58 | wps | I cannot think of a product hat has an ugly security record |
| 23:23.04 | wps | s/hat/that/ |
| 23:23.10 | dataw0lf | but it's not really accurate because hard liquor is absorbed quicker |
| 23:23.12 | wps | s/ugly/uglier/ |
| 23:23.21 | dataw0lf | especially if it's served mixed with a carbonated drink, but that's neither here nor there |
| 23:24.01 | dataw0lf | I could probably kill that bottle of vodka in about an hour if I was really trying, and not go to the hospital. |
| 23:24.02 | mindjuju | so dataw0lf, that's the equivalent of drinking 33 beers? alcohol wise? |
| 23:24.33 | mindjuju | 1 liter = 33 ounces |
| 23:24.46 | dataw0lf | 1.5 ounces is a shot, I corrected myself |
| 23:25.32 | dataw0lf | it's 22, bro |
| 23:25.41 | dataw0lf | probably equivalent to more like 25 beers, but yea |
| 23:26.20 | mindjuju | sorry, actually somebody in office |
| 23:26.23 | mindjuju | got distracted |
| 23:26.56 | tierra | you should have been like: "... one second, I'm busy... " |
| 23:26.59 | tierra | hehe |
| 23:27.49 | tierra | "ok, let's see, 1 liter of vodka, 1.5 oz per shot..." mumuring under your breath |
| 23:28.40 | mindjuju | well, i was thinking next we could work out the BAC, but it doesn't mention weight |
| 23:28.44 | mindjuju | so that oen is out |
| 23:29.26 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty surprised he was able to stomach it down, and then had to be taken to the hospital |
| 23:29.54 | dataw0lf | if you got the chops to force that down, you're probably a heavy drinker, and if you're at least medium sized I don't think it would send you to the hospital to chug a bottle of vodka |
| 23:30.30 | mindjuju | curious |
| 23:31.10 | dataw0lf | I've never actually chugged a bottle of liquor all the way, but I've drank a bottle of whiskey many a time in an hour which would be basically the same effect. |
| 23:31.10 | mindjuju | wps, did you see the reply to your email |
| 23:31.16 | wps | yeah |
| 23:31.34 | dataw0lf | http://www.keynoter.com/articles/2007/12/12/news/news02.txt |
| 23:31.46 | dataw0lf | "Wile said when she complained to the judges at Dockside about the display, one told her, “If you don't like it, just sit down and shut up. The kids shouldn't be here, anyway.”" |
| 23:31.50 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:32.23 | wps | ha ha |
| 23:39.51 | mgeary | hey, anyone here have experience storing double-byte chars in mysql? |
| 23:42.32 | thebigdog | skeeter asked me once to dance too...that skeeter |
| 23:43.36 | dataw0lf | well kids should DEFINITELY not be allowed to see that. |
| 23:43.41 | dataw0lf | No living thing should, really. |
| 23:43.56 | dataw0lf | even the idea makes my retinas tingle |
| 23:44.02 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:46.11 | thebigdog | well then |
| 23:46.17 | thebigdog | ill have to tell skeeter that |
| 23:46.50 | dataw0lf | hehe |
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