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| 00:27.45 | Kamehameha | hey all |
| 00:28.23 | Kamehameha | anyone got a sec for a quick php question? |
| 00:29.37 | Kamehameha | hmmm either I'm not connected or everybody is asleep ;) |
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| 14:36.23 | timinator | morning all |
| 14:41.01 | mindjuju | morning |
| 14:41.22 | timinator | how you doing mindjuju |
| 14:42.04 | mindjuju | coding since my son woke up at 6 |
| 14:42.09 | mindjuju | getting some good stuff done |
| 14:42.19 | mindjuju | you? |
| 14:42.26 | timinator | good deal... don't let me bug ya |
| 14:42.34 | timinator | just getting rolling this morning |
| 14:42.53 | timinator | bought one of the new mac keyboards.... not sure that I like it just yet though |
| 14:42.54 | mindjuju | you weren't buggin |
| 14:43.02 | timinator | I feel like I'm going to break the thing |
| 14:43.04 | mindjuju | the roll up kind? |
| 14:43.42 | timinator | no: http://www.apple.com/keyboard/ |
| 14:44.26 | timinator | the USB version |
| 14:44.30 | timinator | w/ the 10 key |
| 14:49.09 | timinator | this pic doesn't do it justice: http://files.timothyhumphrey.com/12-03-07_0745.jpg |
| 14:49.14 | timinator | it's wafer thin |
| 14:51.23 | timinator | shots like this are better: http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/gallery/wired_2_20070807.jpg |
| 14:52.09 | timinator | notice the USB hub underneath.... that'll give you a gauge on the thickness of the rest of it |
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| 15:46.13 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 15:46.13 | jbot | wallops mindjuju with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 15:48.59 | thebigdog | what a wondering monday morning |
| 15:49.31 | wps | wow, thebigdog |
| 15:49.36 | wps | looks like you have some prestige |
| 15:49.48 | thebigdog | for? |
| 15:49.51 | wps | working for a company who's domain was the sixth registered |
| 15:49.52 | wps | http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/first71.html |
| 15:50.06 | wps | 7 nov 1985 |
| 15:50.38 | thebigdog | yep |
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| 15:51.58 | thebigdog | i should have had ray.com |
| 15:52.10 | thebigdog | i was too young at the time though |
| 15:52.55 | mindjuju | that's cool |
| 15:54.04 | mindjuju | timinator, that keyboard looks cool |
| 15:54.23 | timinator | thx |
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| 16:06.36 | mindjuju | ugh! |
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| 16:08.31 | mindjuju | if anybody has a feed on good Trance today, let me know |
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| 16:16.14 | mindjuju | give mgeary food |
| 16:16.27 | mgeary | ~give mgeary TWO new windshields :/ |
| 16:16.28 | jbot | ACTION gives TWO new windshields :/ to mgeary |
| 16:17.19 | mindjuju | two? were you driving behind a construction vehicle? |
| 16:17.25 | mgeary | yes, i'm two-for-two in having windshields crack; apparently i'm heating up my vehicles too quickly after them being outside in the cold all night |
| 16:17.43 | mgeary | Craaaaaaack! |
| 16:17.59 | mgeary | great big horizontal cracks along the base of my windshields |
| 16:18.08 | mgeary | one yesterday morning, one this morning |
| 16:18.16 | mindjuju | yuck! |
| 16:18.54 | mgeary | never happened to me before. the first one i can understand, since there was already a crack that had grown from an unsealed rock-chip, but the second one, today, really surprised me |
| 16:24.26 | timinator | that's |
| 16:24.40 | timinator | s/that's/that's for mindjuju/ |
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| 16:35.27 | orsonj | interesting keyboard. I bet it feels like typing on this one: http://tinyurl.com/yrebfh |
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| 16:57.19 | mindjuju | orsonj - those keyboards look cool, but not sure how i'd do on one. there would be no bounce to the keys |
| 16:58.55 | mindjuju | i need a hawt way to display the time, any ideas |
| 16:59.02 | mindjuju | preferably with a 2.0 edge |
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| 17:05.15 | mindjuju | now here is a cool clock -- http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/clock |
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| 17:11.18 | orsonj | on the web or on your wall? |
| 17:11.38 | orsonj | or both? :) |
| 17:12.57 | mindjuju | looking for a clock for the web |
| 17:15.37 | thebigdog | that is a pretty cool clock |
| 17:15.51 | mindjuju | that flash one, yeah, that's unique and awesome |
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| 17:25.06 | Jacob_Kerr | Man the ammount I have learned in 2.5 months blows my mind :). I look back on some of my code and can hardly believe I did it... |
| 17:25.51 | Jacob_Kerr | OOP rocks, once you go OOP there's no going back! |
| 17:26.18 | thebigdog | hopefully that learning will continue |
| 17:28.08 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah, I think I am going to learn allot in the next year or so. We are hiring an adavanced PHP guy here at my work soon so maybe I can learn allot from him and maybe in a year can be at his lvl.. |
| 17:30.03 | orsonj | so, anyone see that article about cellphone penetration reaching over 50% worldwide |
| 17:31.07 | mgeary | i saw that there are now half as many cellphones as people on the planet, which isn't really exactly the same thing |
| 17:31.22 | orsonj | there must be more phone numbers than there are people now |
| 17:31.34 | mgeary | wouldn't surprise me |
| 17:31.38 | orsonj | yeah, I guess I mis interpreted the headline. |
| 17:32.45 | orsonj | I like this quote: "The mobile industry has constantly outperformed even the most optimistic forecasts for subscriber growth," |
| 17:32.45 | mindjuju | dedicated cell, dedicate office and grandcentral - so 3 here |
| 17:32.47 | orsonj | home, work, cell for me. |
| 17:33.14 | orsonj | that almost describes my next week and a half also "homework cell" |
| 17:57.21 | timinator | cell + work for me.... but really it's just 1 cell |
| 17:57.22 | timinator | :) |
| 17:57.28 | timinator | nice and simple |
| 17:59.01 | timinator | mindjuju: have you checked out "the perfect mix"??? |
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| 18:00.59 | mindjuju | timinator, clicked on link, looking for feed |
| 18:01.28 | timinator | ah... 1 sec |
| 18:01.43 | mindjuju | nah, no worries, i think i found it |
| 18:01.55 | timinator | k |
| 18:02.38 | timinator | www.dj-eros.com/tmp_podcasts.xml |
| 18:02.51 | timinator | :) |
| 18:04.05 | timinator | I've also liked www.nocturnalradio.org/podcast/nocturnal.xml |
| 18:05.07 | mindjuju | yeah, nocturnal is way good |
| 18:05.13 | mindjuju | this saturday's was awesome |
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| 19:07.35 | mindjuju | Lunchtime poll - Is it wrong to hate Javascrpt or am I just painfully naive ?? |
| 19:07.53 | thebigdog | sometimes i truly hate it |
| 19:08.14 | mindjuju | k, but when i say hate, i mean like, will you code a site specifically omitting JS a part of the coding language |
| 19:08.30 | thebigdog | no |
| 19:08.44 | thebigdog | websites need some form of js |
| 19:09.10 | dataw0lf | <3 JavaScript |
| 19:09.11 | mindjuju | k, cause i'm on another channel on a diff IRC server, and this dude goes off on this major rant when I offer a simple JS solution. the dude is doing freakin' schizoNuts SQL queries |
| 19:09.20 | mindjuju | to do the work JS could easily do |
| 19:09.45 | thebigdog | really depends on what you are doing i figure |
| 19:09.46 | mindjuju | i say, if the client wants it sorted, let their CPU handle it |
| 19:09.59 | mindjuju | in this case, sorting table data |
| 19:10.10 | mindjuju | but he's doing it some super jacked up way |
| 19:10.31 | thebigdog | depends on what type of sorting he is doing |
| 19:10.41 | thebigdog | sometimes js does not do a good job in that |
| 19:11.19 | dataw0lf | how would JS do any worse of a job sorting than any other language/tool? |
| 19:11.22 | mindjuju | true, like dates could be problematic trying to sort, but it seems like the http://www.workingwith.me.uk/articles/scripting/standardista_table_sorting was pretty good |
| 19:11.45 | dataw0lf | sorting dates in JS is a breeze since it has a builtin Date object. |
| 19:12.06 | thebigdog | when not dealing with standard data types |
| 19:12.32 | thebigdog | multi sorts can be problematic |
| 19:13.15 | dataw0lf | well multisorts can be problematic in almost any language. |
| 19:13.16 | mgeary | mindjuju: that one had some issues last i tried using it |
| 19:13.33 | mindjuju | really? |
| 19:13.35 | mgeary | yep |
| 19:13.42 | mgeary | but i've had great success with the tablesort thingy that uses scriptaculous |
| 19:13.44 | thebigdog | what it really boils down to the programmer |
| 19:14.11 | mindjuju | mgeary, what kind of data were you sorting, what kind of errors? |
| 19:14.52 | mgeary | trying to recall... it's kind of fuzzy. Seems like it was dates, though. At least, the way we were formatting the dates |
| 19:16.12 | mindjuju | oh |
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| 19:41.35 | jsmith | mgeary: Good one... |
| 19:41.46 | mgeary | that's such a great film |
| 19:42.13 | jsmith | No kidding... |
| 19:42.28 | jsmith | I wish all great Greek epics were turned into films like that ;-) |
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| 19:54.35 | mgeary | heheh |
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| 20:26.32 | PoeticIntensity | alright. I have an SQL question. |
| 20:26.45 | PoeticIntensity | can CASE statements reside within the WHERE clause? |
| 20:27.11 | PoeticIntensity | I've only ever done them in determining fields to select. |
| 20:27.26 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: I'm pretty sure they can |
| 20:27.34 | PoeticIntensity | I'm searching on it now... |
| 20:27.42 | PoeticIntensity | I'm really hoping they can. |
| 20:27.55 | PoeticIntensity | hrm... postgresql.com seems to be down. |
| 20:28.20 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 20:28.23 | PoeticIntensity | it's .org |
| 20:42.30 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, it can be in the where clause |
| 20:43.04 | jsmith | The problem he's going to run into is that he's going to want to reference column names in his CASE statement |
| 20:43.10 | jsmith | That always throws people for a loop |
| 20:43.29 | thebigdog | it should be ok |
| 20:43.36 | jsmith | SELECT '1' as foo WHERE CASE WHEN foo='1' THEN 1=1 ELSE 1=0 END; |
| 20:43.46 | jsmith | Try that... it doesn't work. |
| 20:47.07 | thebigdog | that alias should not work without the case either |
| 20:47.20 | thebigdog | when refed in the query |
| 20:49.08 | jsmith | It will in a HAVING clause, but not a WHERE, as I recall |
| 20:49.36 | thebigdog | its something to test out and see |
| 20:49.45 | thebigdog | i dont put case in the where clause though |
| 20:50.02 | jsmith | Neither do I |
| 20:50.12 | jsmith | Hence the reason I didn't do too much testing |
| 20:51.27 | thebigdog | i wonder about this one http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/static/functions-conditional.html |
| 20:51.43 | thebigdog | right before 9.13.2 Coalesce |
| 20:52.30 | jsmith | Yeah... interesting. |
| 20:52.44 | jsmith | Maybe it's because I was using an alias and not a real column name |
| 20:52.58 | thebigdog | perhaps |
| 20:56.24 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 20:56.32 | PoeticIntensity | turns out I don't need to do a case statement anyway.. :) |
| 20:56.43 | thebigdog | ~slap PoeticIntensity |
| 20:56.44 | jbot | ACTION slaps PoeticIntensity, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:57.05 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
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| 22:06.32 | orsonj | one of the guys here at work is saying no one outside of academics uses macs. what percentage of this group uses macs? |
| 22:09.52 | mgeary | your guy is a dork |
| 22:09.55 | mgeary | ignore him |
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| 22:10.59 | mgeary | he's up in the night |
| 22:13.25 | mgeary | he probably also says, "oh well, if you're doing *creative* work, yeah, use a mac, but if you want to do 'real' work, get a PeeCee". We'll ignore entirely for now the fact that for 2+ years now, Macs have been Intel machines.... |
| 22:15.29 | macnewbol1 | orsonj: I'm with mgeary - for a couple of years we all did our work on Mac OSX (or in my case, FreeBSD, plus one other guy on gentoo). the only windows box was for testing |
| 22:16.14 | mgeary | google this: apple growth of laptop sales |
| 22:16.39 | mgeary | "Apple, however still managed to more than triple the industry growth by growing its retail Mac units 62 percent year-over-year this month and delivering a whopping 94 percent increase in retail notebook sales over the same period" |
| 22:17.02 | mgeary | forget market share. if you're tripling the rest of your industry, you're growing. |
| 22:17.42 | mgeary | your guy at work is just bitter because he thinks he can't afford a Mac |
| 22:33.38 | orsonj | He can afford a mac. He got a high end tablet with vista ultimate. money isn't his problem. |
| 22:34.07 | orsonj | He likes the quirky little things that microsoft actually does ok at. |
| 22:36.03 | orsonj | of course he did go to great lengths to buy it in a different country and use a "free" educational licence for ultimate. |
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| 22:42.42 | bradym | speaking of apple... i got a MBP over the weekend :) |
| 22:43.30 | mgeary | well hey. all those nickels finally added up, eh? |
| 22:46.23 | timinator | congrats bradym |
| 22:47.53 | tierra | I use a mac here at work, but I use a PC at work as well, and I use the PC more |
| 22:47.56 | timinator | has for years |
| 22:48.03 | bradym | i've been needing to get a new computer for awhile.. and i've been wanting to get a MBP so I finally did some comparisons and realized that they aren't as expensive as I thought.. they're not exactly cheap, but a similar specced machine from anywhere else is pretty close to the same price |
| 22:48.20 | bradym | yeah, i'm on windows at work |
| 22:48.21 | tierra | given a choice, I hate macs |
| 22:48.34 | bradym | yeah? why? |
| 22:49.10 | tierra | I work probably 50% less efficient with the "equivalent" tools |
| 22:49.29 | tierra | there's nothing on a Mac that appeals to me honestly |
| 22:49.58 | tierra | but I'm also writing desktop application software on the Mac primarily |
| 22:50.02 | tierra | so it could be bias |
| 22:50.09 | bradym | it's definitely going to take some getting used to, but i'm happy with imy MBP so far |
| 22:50.11 | tierra | but for my stuff, it sucks |
| 22:50.27 | bradym | fair enough |
| 22:50.32 | tierra | oh, I've had this mac for > 1 year... I'm used to it, it still sucks |
| 22:52.24 | tierra | at least Finder has a tree view like Gnome, which I wish explorer on Windows doesn't, which is very annoying, especially when I don't have a terminal (read: cygwin) |
| 22:52.55 | tierra | err... which I wish Explorer in Windows *did* have |
| 22:53.19 | bradym | yeah |
| 22:53.27 | orsonj | The thing that turned me off of vista was when my wife bought a new laptop with vista and it couldn't play DVDs smoothly. |
| 22:53.57 | mgeary | orsonj: nope, it was too busy chucking in DRM |
| 22:54.12 | tierra | seems like a problem elsewhere... |
| 22:54.29 | mgeary | doubt it. haven't you read that "longest suicide note" about DRM + Vista? |
| 22:54.48 | tierra | heh, that's a pretty horrible quality to be judging operating systems |
| 22:55.12 | tierra | assuming that *is* the reason it wasn't playing smoothly |
| 22:55.30 | orsonj | I put vlc on it and vlc could play it smoothly. |
| 22:55.31 | bradym | i think it says a lot about the OS actually... if you can't even do a simple thing like watch a movie, what else are you not going to be able to do? |
| 22:55.35 | mgeary | what, you mean because the OS downgrades your system to protect content? |
| 22:56.46 | orsonj | I want to try ubuntu on it and see how that works. |
| 22:57.17 | mgeary | tierra: you're writing desktop apps for Mac? like what? |
| 22:57.41 | tierra | the same project management (scheduling) software I've been working on the last 4 years |
| 22:57.48 | mgeary | what are you writing it in? |
| 22:57.52 | tierra | C++ |
| 22:58.01 | mgeary | ah |
| 22:58.55 | tierra | despite the language, there isn't a decent file comparison / merge tool on Mac, period. |
| 22:59.04 | tierra | FileMerge is a joke |
| 23:00.10 | tierra | SCPlugin isn't really useful, I fall back on CLI for Subversion on Mac... |
| 23:02.56 | tierra | Xcode at least provides a somewhat decent GDB frontend, thank god... I miss Visual C++ everytime I need to debug |
| 23:03.08 | tierra | could be a lot better though |
| 23:03.29 | tierra | omg, and the window management... that really kills me |
| 23:04.07 | tierra | I'm jumping between 10-15 source files constantly, and F9 is not helpful, at all |
| 23:04.25 | tierra | I have to hunt down the files everytime |
| 23:04.55 | mgeary | tierra: bbedit |
| 23:05.03 | tierra | used it, don't like it |
| 23:05.18 | mgeary | i've never found anything as good at file comparing (on the mac) |
| 23:05.42 | thebigdog | tierra just use eclipse |
| 23:05.52 | mgeary | eclipse is too slow on Mac |
| 23:06.04 | thebigdog | not in my hands |
| 23:06.08 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:06.57 | tierra | I should say, I've used TextWrangler, it's not worth $125 for BBEdit |
| 23:08.16 | tierra | I haven't seen any kind of SCM integration in TW |
| 23:10.03 | thebigdog | isnt utah_dave on a mac |
| 23:10.07 | thebigdog | or ubuntu? |
| 23:11.08 | thebigdog | http://developer.apple.com/tools/eclipse.html |
| 23:11.19 | mgeary | http://166.70.44.60/download/bbdiff.png |
| 23:11.30 | mgeary | nothing to not like in that :) |
| 23:12.10 | tierra | oh yeah, now I remember looking at that... separate windows?! why?! |
| 23:12.27 | tierra | iirc, scroll wasn't even in sync |
| 23:12.32 | mgeary | you can set it to |
| 23:13.13 | thebigdog | does it do entire projects? |
| 23:13.30 | mgeary | yeah, it can. i don't use it for that, though |
| 23:14.15 | tierra | http://ibaku.net/dump/winmerge.png |
| 23:14.18 | tierra | http://ibaku.net/dump/meld-1.png |
| 23:14.22 | tierra | http://ibaku.net/dump/xcode-diff.png |
| 23:14.44 | tierra | those were taken back when I was doing some deep research into diff/merge tools |
| 23:15.01 | tierra | those weren't the only ones I looked at... I looked through probably 20+ tools |
| 23:15.23 | mgeary | i've heard good things about BeyondCompare on Win |
| 23:15.39 | tierra | FileMerge doesn't let you edit the file at all, doesn't do code highlighting... |
| 23:15.57 | tierra | I don't remember what I didn't like about BC, but I do remember looking at it |
| 23:16.24 | tierra | I remember hearing good things about it from others as well, but wasn't impressed myself |
| 23:17.00 | tierra | overall, I like WinMerge best when it comes to overall features, cost, etc... |
| 23:17.08 | tierra | just sucks that it's Windows only |
| 23:18.11 | tierra | very powerful file filters, newline difference handling, code highlighting, non-collapsing diff view, keyboard shortcuts make sense |
| 23:19.33 | tierra | I was likely tossing every other diff viewer on Windows out the window, especially if it costed anything just because WinMerge is so useful |
| 23:20.15 | thebigdog | http://thebigdog.biz/eclipse-compare.png |
| 23:20.59 | tierra | that's what I don't like about collapsing diff views (which is about 90% of diff viewers)... I have a hard time matching code up |
| 23:21.38 | tierra | not even the standard unix diff tool collapses, I don't understand why anyone thought that would be a good thing |
| 23:23.37 | tierra | it definitely looks cooler, especially with FileMerge, and maybe that's why everyone started doing it, but it's less useful / less efficient for the job |
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| 23:25.02 | dataw0lf | tierra: collapsible diffs sux |
| 23:25.12 | dataw0lf | just lyke u |
| 23:25.30 | tierra | totally |
| 23:25.57 | tierra | lyke, worse than macs |
| 23:26.08 | dataw0lf | k lets not go overboard |
| 23:42.09 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL |
