| 00:00.04 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 00:00.04 | jbot | calls mindjuju on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 00:00.17 | mindjuju | sup utah_dave |
| 00:02.56 | mgeary | ~busy |
| 00:03.54 | mindjuju | hey mgeary, was actually meaning to ask you a question |
| 00:04.11 | mgeary | no, i haven't gotten your present yet. |
| 00:04.16 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 00:04.28 | mgeary | ;) 'sup? |
| 00:05.28 | mindjuju | hey, if I am playing an flv (streaming) and I click on the player to advance to a point beyond halfway, when the video jumps to the new location, it looks bad, shows artifacts |
| 00:05.43 | mindjuju | then when i click back to a time previous in the timeline, it now shows artifacts as well |
| 00:05.50 | mindjuju | i think it is a codec issue |
| 00:05.53 | mindjuju | what do you think? |
| 00:06.02 | mgeary | well, it'd be a keyframe issue |
| 00:06.19 | mindjuju | like not enough keyframes? |
| 00:06.20 | mgeary | the way video compression works, it uses temporal compression, which tracks the changes from one frame to the next |
| 00:06.43 | mgeary | if you jump to a non-keyframe, it has to kind of guess, as quickly as it can |
| 00:07.11 | mgeary | i would expect that once you hit a new full keyframe, the artifacts disappear. do you get that? |
| 00:07.22 | mindjuju | nope, it stays funky |
| 00:07.31 | mgeary | huh |
| 00:07.37 | mgeary | is this anywhere live that i could see it? |
| 00:07.50 | mindjuju | its exacerbated by the fact that the video is all text so it really shows artifacting |
| 00:08.02 | mindjuju | mgeary, let me get you a quick URL and send to you via PM |
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| 00:38.57 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 00:38.57 | jbot | mgeary has karma of 6 |
| 00:39.01 | mgeary | aww |
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| 00:45.23 | mgeary | hey, who all is still around? Has anyone done much with relaying files from outside the webroot to the browser? I'm seeing a problem with it in Firefox |
| 00:58.00 | mgeary | well, i'll ask again tomorrow |
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| 01:42.05 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 01:42.05 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 02:08.15 | bradym | ~lart ie |
| 02:08.15 | jbot | keeps mailing ie free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 02:08.29 | bradym | haha.. sending AOL cds to MS... classic :) |
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| 05:01.31 | influx^^ | i r here |
| 05:11.42 | jsmith-away | mindjuju: I'm still here! |
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| 14:52.33 | Utah_Dave | ~rlart |
| 14:52.34 | jbot | gives synic a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 14:58.37 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 14:58.37 | jbot | duct-tapes mindjuju to the floor and drools on him |
| 15:02.51 | herlo | Utah_Dave: you just wanted the rlart to get mindjuju didn't you! |
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| 16:09.18 | Utah_Dave | herlo: yep! I wish you could point the rlart at someone. |
| 16:09.20 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 16:09.38 | herlo | Utah_Dave: that's what ~lart is for |
| 16:09.41 | herlo | ~lart Utah_Dave |
| 16:09.41 | jbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Utah_Dave until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 16:09.45 | herlo | ~rlart |
| 16:09.46 | jbot | decapitates tierra conan the destroyer style |
| 16:10.00 | Utah_Dave | ouch, not my nuts! |
| 16:13.22 | mgeary | hey folks |
| 16:13.51 | herlo | Utah_Dave: yeppers, you should watch out for them squirrels, THEY'RE DANGEROUS! |
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| 16:20.08 | mgeary | hey, anyone else here seen Firefox problems with using readfile() to pass media files outside the webroot down to the browser? The browser hangs and doesn't let you navigate away from that page until the media file has fully downloaded. And yes, i *am* passing a Content-Length header... :/ |
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| 16:30.30 | Black_Ch1os | mgeary: are you putting a Content-Type or Content-Disposition header on it? |
| 16:31.05 | mgeary | Content-Type, yes, Content-Disposition, no |
| 16:31.11 | mgeary | however, i've found something else interesting-- |
| 16:31.57 | mgeary | it appears to be related to a limitation in Firefox for simultaneous connections to a server. If i change the address to the relaying script to a FQDN address instead of the IP address that the rest of that page's assets are on, it works |
| 16:32.12 | mgeary | so, one solution would be to have a meda.myserver.com subdomain |
| 16:32.24 | mgeary | but it still seems like there ought to be a way to solve this problem using headers |
| 16:36.38 | mgeary | Black_Ch1os: here are the headers i'm currently getting: |
| 16:36.41 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/26335/ |
| 16:42.19 | Black_Ch1os | I'm pretty sure I had done it on an IP |
| 16:42.40 | Black_Ch1os | you could try the Content-Disposition header. That looks like the only other thing I had |
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| 16:43.51 | mgeary | what did you set it to? |
| 16:43.58 | thebigdog | mgeary what limitations does firefox have for sim connections |
| 16:44.44 | mgeary | thebigdog: dunno, but the default behavior is such that if you use readfile() to pass a mutli-meg file down to the browser, FF will not let you navigate away from that page until the file is done downloading |
| 16:45.02 | thebigdog | what is your url? |
| 16:45.15 | mgeary | i'll PM it to you |
| 16:45.33 | thebigdog | k |
| 16:53.25 | Black_Chaos | Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=whatever_you_want |
| 16:55.44 | mgeary | ah, but that's to force-download a file |
| 16:55.50 | mgeary | which is also useful, but not what i want in this case |
| 16:56.02 | mgeary | this alternate server approach will work okay for now |
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| 17:39.04 | PoeticIntensity | heh... anyone interested in the DAZ3D job posting? |
| 17:39.09 | PoeticIntensity | (in the mailing list) |
| 17:52.20 | PoeticIntensity | uhh... is anyone .... alive? |
| 17:53.28 | mindjuju | number 5 alive! |
| 17:55.09 | mindjuju | hey! you're good! |
| 17:55.19 | mindjuju | didn't know if anybody would catch it |
| 17:55.23 | PoeticIntensity | buh.... |
| 17:55.26 | PoeticIntensity | I loved Short Circuit. |
| 18:00.09 | mindjuju | ~ashquote |
| 18:00.10 | jbot | Give me some sugar baby |
| 18:00.20 | mindjuju | ~lart utah_dave |
| 18:00.20 | jbot | whips utah_dave with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 18:03.38 | Utah_Dave | ~wake mindjuju |
| 18:03.39 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:04.03 | mindjuju | sup, yo! |
| 18:05.41 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: hey |
| 18:06.16 | PoeticIntensity | howdy! |
| 18:06.29 | mgeary | we just picked up Daz3D as a client. heh. |
| 18:06.47 | mgeary | never heard of them before, and now they're all over the place ;) |
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| 18:10.34 | brasto | ~ping herlo |
| 18:10.35 | jbot | pong herlo |
| 18:11.58 | brasto | what's the name of the company that herlo works for? |
| 18:12.08 | brasto | and what are their rates? |
| 18:12.55 | brasto | I may be able to convince the management here to use them for training for me and others here. |
| 18:13.22 | orsonj | heh, I watched Short Circuit just last week. |
| 18:15.14 | herlo | brasto: Guru Labs |
| 18:15.26 | herlo | brasto: http://www.gurulabs.com/training is probably what you ar elookig for |
| 18:15.43 | herlo | brasto: also, we give UG member discounts for courses taken at GL |
| 18:18.59 | brasto | herlo, if the training were officially for lnxi employees, me being one of them, would the UG member discount apply? If it does, would it apply to the group since I'm a UG member, or to just me? |
| 18:20.10 | herlo | brasto: good question. contact sales@gurulabs.com, I bet they'll work with you on it. My guess is they do company rates lower than individual rates... |
| 18:21.34 | brasto | herlo, also might they negotiate to beat competitors? Even if they don't, I'll encourage that way by showing some of the raving reviews in the mail archives at PLUG and UPHPU, but it may help. The training source they've used in the past is "Horizon" or something like that. |
| 18:21.53 | herlo | brasto: New Horizons |
| 18:22.37 | herlo | brasto: they don't do well with Linux training so much, they're more of a all-in-one *sort-of* good solution... |
| 18:22.43 | herlo | we suck less than they do any day |
| 18:22.55 | herlo | on our worst day, we suck 10X less :) |
| 18:23.06 | herlo | at least |
| 18:23.19 | thebigdog | at least |
| 18:23.53 | herlo | :) |
| 18:23.59 | brasto | lol, I'll let them know that we need to switch to Guru Labs because they "suck 10x less" |
| 18:24.06 | herlo | brasto: exactly! |
| 18:26.48 | brasto | is the OSTC conference announced by Stephen Shaw associated with UOSC, herlo? |
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| 18:28.55 | brasto | and, herlo, what's your role in Guru Labs? Instructor, or admin + instructor? |
| 18:32.13 | mindjuju | herlo puts the guru in guru labs |
| 18:32.47 | thebigdog | herlo is half of the guru in guru labs |
| 18:32.52 | thebigdog | dax is the other half |
| 18:33.09 | mindjuju | so would that mean that herlo is gu or would he be ru ? |
| 18:33.15 | thebigdog | ru |
| 18:33.26 | mindjuju | the tail end, gotcha |
| 18:33.35 | mindjuju | ~herlo |
| 18:33.36 | jbot | i guess herlo is the best boardgamer ever, works for Guru Labs and generally reads good things his friends lend him |
| 18:33.53 | mindjuju | jbot, herlo is also "the ru" |
| 18:33.53 | jbot | ACTION pokes is with a sharp needle also "the ru" |
| 18:34.15 | mindjuju | new office? did you get promoted from the broom closet? |
| 18:34.20 | thebigdog | i did |
| 18:34.24 | thebigdog | i have a window office now |
| 18:34.38 | mindjuju | window? sounds like a punishment |
| 18:34.41 | thebigdog | i took over our vp of sales office |
| 18:34.45 | thebigdog | it is |
| 18:35.23 | thebigdog | but my window is small |
| 18:35.24 | mindjuju | vp of sales office? awesome! Did you graduate from cubicles to the legendary 4 ways and a door? |
| 18:35.31 | thebigdog | i did |
| 18:35.34 | thebigdog | i have a full office now |
| 18:35.51 | thebigdog | right next door to the coo |
| 18:35.57 | mindjuju | that rox! nothing like I door. keeps the unwashed masses out |
| 18:36.02 | thebigdog | basically im the tech b**** now |
| 18:36.23 | thebigdog | when the coo comes in then he wants me to fix his broken crap |
| 18:36.53 | thebigdog | i had to fix his printing situation cuase our network admin spent 2 days on it and i fixed it in 20 min |
| 18:37.19 | mindjuju | awesome! i love when stuff like that happens, makes you look like a champ |
| 18:37.44 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:37.53 | thebigdog | i call our network admin champ |
| 18:37.58 | thebigdog | in a kinda mean way |
| 18:38.16 | mindjuju | well, now that you have an office, i think uphpu should pitch in and buy you this -- http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/835f/ |
| 18:38.19 | thebigdog | meaning he is not a champ and until he can prove himself...he will be know as champ |
| 18:38.48 | thebigdog | that is funny |
| 18:38.53 | thebigdog | that would be great on my door |
| 18:40.57 | thebigdog | dude this is so cool - http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/8b57/ |
| 18:41.00 | thebigdog | im getting one |
| 18:42.09 | mindjuju | that's an awesome idea! |
| 18:43.49 | thebigdog | i need this too - http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/mugs/299a/ |
| 18:44.16 | mindjuju | nah, this is the one you need |
| 18:44.17 | mindjuju | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/6a73/ |
| 18:44.21 | mindjuju | i'm getting one, btw |
| 18:45.50 | thebigdog | hehe that is great |
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| 18:47.43 | thebigdog | mindjuju you need this - http://images.thinkgeek.com/action/large/211ac8b.jpg |
| 18:49.20 | mindjuju | oh wow, i've seen the pinnacle of t-shirts, and it is this - http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/pvp/90e1/ |
| 18:50.41 | undertakingyou | mindjuju: a number 9 is rather small though :) |
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| 18:56.06 | mgeary | ~bofh |
| 18:56.06 | jbot | hmm... bofh is Bastard Operator From Hell - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ |
| 18:56.11 | mgeary | hahaha. oh |
| 18:58.12 | dataw0lf | bofh++ |
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| 19:06.48 | mgeary | ~seen fungus |
| 19:06.52 | jbot | fungus <n=olsonl@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:1647> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 21h 21m 53s ago, saying: 'IIRC the enum type only stores the index of the value in the table itself, hence using very little storage'. |
| 19:07.03 | mgeary | ~seen jbot |
| 19:07.04 | jbot | jbot is currently on #asterisk-doc (3d 21h 30m 46s) ##t42 (3d 21h 30m 46s) #how (3d 21h 30m 46s) #ol (3d 21h 30m 46s) #flyspray (3d 21h 30m 46s) #asterisk-dev (3d 21h 30m 46s) #asterisk (3d 21h 30m 46s) #byumug (3d 21h 30m 46s) #orkut (3d 21h 30m 46s) #nslu2-linux (3d 21h 30m 46s) ... |
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| 19:31.59 | PoeticIntensity | good stuff. |
| 19:38.01 | mgeary | (working on something for National Treasure 2) |
| 19:38.17 | mgeary | i've now got his email address. Anyone want to pitch him a script? ;) |
| 19:41.50 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, I used to work for DAZ3D. |
| 19:41.53 | PoeticIntensity | great company.... |
| 19:41.55 | PoeticIntensity | great people... |
| 19:42.01 | mgeary | cool |
| 19:42.06 | PoeticIntensity | just... kinda cheap... at least they were like 4 years ago or so. |
| 19:42.25 | PoeticIntensity | I left because they couldn't pay me enough to raise a family the way I wanted. |
| 19:42.26 | mgeary | yeah, that salary/expectations didn't seem all that striking to me |
| 19:42.32 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 19:42.41 | mgeary | though apparently they as a company are doing just fine |
| 19:42.54 | PoeticIntensity | very good people to work with... |
| 19:43.06 | mgeary | so... we'll just happily continue working with them as clients :) |
| 19:43.12 | PoeticIntensity | Company MO is "have a good time while at work." |
| 19:43.16 | PoeticIntensity | good deal! |
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| 20:39.37 | PoeticIntensity | have a good weekend, ya'll! |
| 20:51.11 | mgeary | ~slacker PoeticIntensity |
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| 21:07.14 | mindjuju | thebigdog , you around? |
| 21:07.27 | thebigdog | y |
| 21:09.23 | mindjuju | let's say you have a toolbar made in JS, and that when you push a button in that toolbar, it creates a DIV in the DOM, where that div is loaded with all kinds of info and possible AJAX requests |
| 21:10.55 | mindjuju | now when another button is pressed, the newly created DIV should disappear and an even newer created div appear. What is better for the first DIV to do, be destroyed or hide? |
| 21:11.15 | mindjuju | if it is hidden, doesn't it take up client resources and could be a potential problem? |
| 21:12.38 | dataw0lf | yes but if it's destroyed and that div is accessed again, you'll have to send the request again. |
| 21:12.52 | mindjuju | yes, that's true |
| 21:13.27 | mindjuju | so should i let it sit hidden at the possibility that it could be called again and tax client resources in the interim ? |
| 21:14.28 | dataw0lf | what's the taxing that's happening? |
| 21:14.31 | mindjuju | which of course, i don't mind because it is one less thing for my server to handle |
| 21:14.35 | dataw0lf | the div isn't doing anything. |
| 21:14.59 | dataw0lf | even if "destroyed", the client browser has still already cached it, most likely. |
| 21:15.22 | mindjuju | yeah, i that's true, it isn't actively doing anything but sitting there |
| 21:15.42 | mindjuju | so, hidden it is! |
| 21:15.53 | mindjuju | thx dataw0lf |
| 21:15.57 | thebigdog | hidden is good unless you know you will never access/need it again |
| 21:16.45 | dataw0lf | np |
| 21:20.40 | mgeary | itunes |
| 21:20.40 | mgeary | sweet |
| 21:24.05 | thebigdog | anyone know if javascript in ajax calls ever gets run |
| 21:25.14 | mindjuju | not sure what you mena |
| 21:27.46 | dataw0lf | http://wbztv.com/topstories/local_story_334132330.html |
| 21:30.14 | mgeary | taking a hostage is a good way to get a bullet in the head |
| 21:49.56 | cole_joplin | mindjuju....is the guy talking about h.264? |
| 21:51.04 | mindjuju | no, this is prior to 9, so a smidgy old, but has good concepts in general |
| 21:52.35 | cole_joplin | ok, got it |
| 21:53.32 | cole_joplin | I'll be trying to get the time to test live h.264 streams with the base player 9, as it'll be Feb before the Flash Media Server 3 is ready |
| 22:00.18 | Black_Chaos | http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/more/11/30/kneviel.ap/index.html?cnn=yes |
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| 22:25.53 | brasto | is jonathon duncan in this irc channel? |
| 22:30.44 | mindjuju | i wonder if it is possible to change a div 's ID on the fly? |
| 22:32.01 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: yup! |
| 22:32.06 | brasto | id=<?php echo "$phpvariable" ?> |
| 22:32.28 | brasto | that should do what you want mindjuju |
| 22:32.35 | mindjuju | actually, i meant in JS |
| 22:32.43 | brasto | of course, I'm assuming |
| 22:32.51 | brasto | "change on the fly" on the server side |
| 22:32.53 | mindjuju | but i see that it is possible. thx gents! |
| 22:33.01 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: with jQuery's selectors you can select it and then change it |
| 22:34.08 | brasto | Is JQuery something that works with AJAX, is it an alternative to AJAX, or is it something entirely unrelated? |
| 22:34.26 | mindjuju | JQuery is an AJAX framework |
| 22:41.21 | mgeary | this is awesome: http://www.break.com/index/kelly-pickler-on-game-show1.html |
| 22:43.01 | mindjuju | she's blond, she doesn't need to know geography |
| 22:43.35 | mindjuju | jk. it's way funny |
| 22:48.38 | bradym | haha.. "i thought europe was a country" |
| 22:49.47 | mgeary | it's kind of sad how the southern accent seems to add to the effect |
| 22:51.06 | mgeary | i will say i wouldn't have thought a 3rd grader would necessarily know the answer to that, though the kid on the show was actually a 5th grader, it seems |
| 22:52.53 | mgeary | my 2nd grader has been all over Europe, he's smart as a whip, and i doubt he'd know the capital offhand of any country in Europe |
| 22:53.07 | mgeary | but maybe he'd surprise me :) |
| 22:56.53 | mindjuju | today's 80's flashback brought to you by MicroMachines and some dude who talks REALLY fast - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bpIOgYX4_0 |
| 23:03.38 | wps | I can't believe I watched that entire thing |
| 23:03.53 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:04.16 | mindjuju | catchy toon and crazy video -- love those 80s |
| 23:04.25 | wps | I think it's so tacky when people put notices on their website that it's under construction |
| 23:04.28 | wps | what website isn't? |
| 23:04.42 | wps | don't make excuses for it sucking |
| 23:06.13 | dataw0lf | wps: I put similar messages to prevent the wave of "omg this link is not working omg ur site is broken lol" comments |
| 23:06.50 | mgeary | understatement, you know |
| 23:18.37 | mgeary | ~lart shared hosting that doesn't offer php5 |
| 23:18.37 | jbot | shoots shared hosting that doesn't offer php5 in his sleep |
| 23:22.46 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:23.02 | mgeary | well, if i could *control* the hosting, i wouldn't be complaining.... ;) |
| 23:23.23 | brasto | but that's because I "share" off my vps... |
| 23:23.39 | *** join/#uphpu nAmir (i=Aviv@gateway/tor/x-5e83dbfbbc062f6c) |
