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| 15:44.33 | mindjuju | greets to all |
| 15:44.46 | influx^^ | mornin', mindjuju. |
| 15:44.49 | influx^^ | Sorry about today. |
| 15:44.56 | mindjuju | no worries |
| 15:45.04 | orsonj | good morning |
| 15:45.10 | influx^^ | mornin' orson |
| 15:45.11 | mindjuju | morning orsonj |
| 15:45.27 | thebigdog | oh morning to all |
| 15:46.16 | influx^^ | El Perro Grande! |
| 15:46.24 | influx^^ | Buenos dias, seƱor! Como esta? |
| 15:46.43 | mindjuju | yeah thebigdog -- where you been? |
| 15:46.50 | mindjuju | was about to send a hunting party after ya |
| 15:46.56 | thebigdog | mindjuju, vacation |
| 15:47.11 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 15:47.49 | thebigdog | and daughter was back in the hospital again the week before thanksgiving...so dealt with that too |
| 15:48.34 | mindjuju | sorry to hear that, didn't know you had sick child :( |
| 15:48.54 | influx^^ | :[ |
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| 16:03.17 | mindjuju | 2 macnewbold s ? |
| 16:03.28 | mindjuju | somethin' funny gong on around here! |
| 16:05.30 | mindjuju | wow - 1 TB drive - $250 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151&CMP=OTC-PayPalHoliday07&ATT=N82E16822136151&cm_mmc=OTC-PayPalHoliday07-_-HardDrives-_-E2L-_-22136151 |
| 16:05.40 | mindjuju | pay with paypal and get 20% back or something |
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| 16:21.14 | mindjuju | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 16:21.22 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah (3h 9m 12s), last said: 'I really like CoD 4's new Perks system, and their huge unlockable system.'. |
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| 16:26.05 | Jacob_Kerr | now when i join the room do i log in or do I need to send a command via /msg every time I get on? |
| 16:26.16 | Jacob_Kerr | Nice AC / DC Rocks! :) |
| 16:26.24 | thebigdog | send a message to mindjuju and it will all work |
| 16:26.48 | Jacob_Kerr | via /msg NickServ |
| 16:27.15 | mindjuju | what IRC client are you using? |
| 16:27.21 | Jacob_Kerr | Xchat |
| 16:27.48 | timinator | BRB |
| 16:28.57 | thebigdog | Jacob_Kerr, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:29.01 | mindjuju | Jacob_Kerr - try pressing ctrl+s and it appears to bring up some kind of dialog where you can input autologin info |
| 16:29.08 | mindjuju | http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?p=14714&sid=23c88e49192df4bb9e2e490b830816a4 |
| 16:29.19 | mindjuju | he wants to autologin into freenode, yes? |
| 16:29.36 | Jacob_Kerr | oh nice I use that every time I join the room. I just did not know if that logged me in or not. |
| 16:29.38 | thebigdog | oh ctrl+s |
| 16:29.41 | Jacob_Kerr | yeah |
| 16:29.44 | thebigdog | then go to the network |
| 16:29.50 | Jacob_Kerr | does not ask password though |
| 16:29.52 | thebigdog | there is a nickserv password |
| 16:29.55 | Jacob_Kerr | k. |
| 16:30.08 | thebigdog | add it there |
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| 16:30.55 | Jacob_Kerr | k, thanx reconnecting...... |
| 16:30.56 | thebigdog | check the auto connect box as well |
| 16:31.01 | Jacob_Kerr | k. |
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| 16:31.11 | PoeticIntensity | morning, all! |
| 16:31.48 | mindjuju | greets PoeticIntensity |
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| 16:32.02 | PoeticIntensity | have a happy Thanksgiving, mindjuju ? |
| 16:32.13 | mindjuju | pretty good, yourself? |
| 16:32.15 | Jacob_Kerr | Thank you guys :) |
| 16:32.25 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 16:32.27 | PoeticIntensity | good food... |
| 16:32.30 | PoeticIntensity | good family... |
| 16:32.42 | PoeticIntensity | no extreme weirdness... :) |
| 16:33.01 | mindjuju | that cool |
| 16:33.42 | PoeticIntensity | yup, yup! |
| 16:38.36 | Jacob_Kerr | Here's a very informative article on typography accross all browsers and platforms: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/howtosizetextincss |
| 16:38.54 | Jacob_Kerr | just for who ever maybe interested. |
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| 16:39.47 | mindjuju | i have a bad feeling we are going to talk about ems |
| 16:41.01 | mgeary | hey all, i've got a MySQL/Sproc question to get your brains warmed up this morning |
| 16:41.06 | mgeary | so, here's the situation-- |
| 16:41.19 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL |
| 16:41.29 | mindjuju | ah sprocs - how do i love thee |
| 16:42.08 | Jacob_Kerr | not just ems in this article it covers allot of cool stuff to make all text through out all browsers and platforms have to same height, line height etc. etc. |
| 16:42.21 | mgeary | i've got 80 "converters" running across 20 machines. These converters hit a DB server on subnet to retrieve the next record ready for processing... |
| 16:43.06 | mgeary | whenever a record is served up for processing, i create a new DB row in a "conversion state changes" table. This row is given a datetime stamp |
| 16:43.13 | mgeary | now, here's my problem: |
| 16:43.58 | mgeary | wait, first let me describe the sproc a bit: |
| 16:44.21 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:44.53 | mgeary | the sproc checks to see if there are any "stale" records that were 'checked out' for processing, if it finds one, it returns that record; if it doesn't, it gets the next new record. Once it's identified which record to deliver, it creates that "state change" record |
| 16:46.15 | mgeary | now, it *appears* that what's happening is that several converters are hitting the DB at very nearly the same time, and the DB is returning the *same* row for processing. This shouldn't happen, but my speculation is that the converters are hitting so close in succession that the sproc for converter A hasn't finished by the time converter B hits, and so the "state change" record hasn't yet been created |
| 16:46.24 | mgeary | does that make any sense at all? |
| 16:47.42 | mgeary | (when a record is delivered up for conversion, it also gets a bit flipped to disqualify it from appearing in future sproc results) |
| 16:47.49 | unum | are you using transactions? |
| 16:48.21 | mgeary | no |
| 16:48.47 | unum | well then I would say of course it can happen |
| 16:49.05 | unum | and should be expected to happen with a significant number of users |
| 16:49.10 | mgeary | don't see how a txn would help in this case |
| 16:49.46 | mgeary | since it's not a "all or nothing" type of deal, like, say a CC transction |
| 16:49.55 | unum | but you want it to be |
| 16:50.15 | mindjuju | i've never used row locking, but know it exsits |
| 16:50.16 | unum | well sort of |
| 16:50.24 | unum | I guess I'm thinking of it wrong |
| 16:50.29 | mgeary | row locking isn't supported in MyISAM |
| 16:50.35 | mindjuju | oh, bummer |
| 16:53.23 | mgeary | what's basically happening is that two sprocs are being instantiated at the same time, and before the first sproc is able to update the returned record with a "don't pick me" flag, the second sproc has already picked it. that's basically the problem boiled down |
| 16:53.26 | thebigdog | you might need to look at table locking |
| 16:53.45 | mgeary | maybe so |
| 16:53.55 | thebigdog | cause your reads are still going to happen |
| 16:53.59 | mindjuju | but thebigdog, if lock table, won't that significantly reduce performance ? |
| 16:54.06 | thebigdog | yes |
| 16:54.24 | mindjuju | i was thinking that, but thought the punch from a complete table lock would negate any benefit |
| 16:54.48 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:54.49 | thebigdog | the database is working as expected |
| 16:54.49 | mindjuju | course, there doesn't appear to be much choice in this matter |
| 16:54.50 | unum | I would think there would be a way to do it with a transaction |
| 16:55.07 | thebigdog | cause the data has not been committed when converter b is reading |
| 16:55.54 | thebigdog | a transaction is going to isolate the commit |
| 16:56.06 | thebigdog | the problem is the read that is happening before the commit |
| 16:56.11 | mgeary | right |
| 16:56.22 | thebigdog | but you are talking two seperate processes though |
| 16:56.29 | mgeary | would locking even help that? Since the read would still happen |
| 16:56.43 | mgeary | or would the sproc as a whole be put "on hold" during the lock? |
| 16:57.00 | thebigdog | you need the on hold of the process |
| 16:57.17 | mgeary | ? |
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| 16:57.23 | mindjuju | here is mroe info on locking in mysql http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/internal-locking.html |
| 16:58.36 | thebigdog | table locking will probably not work either |
| 16:58.52 | thebigdog | you are talking process queue it seems |
| 16:59.10 | thebigdog | perhaps table locking to an extent |
| 16:59.56 | thebigdog | but locking the table is not going to stop the reads |
| 17:00.03 | mgeary | exactly |
| 17:00.29 | mgeary | ....reluctantly |
| 17:01.45 | thebigdog | like you need to use select...from...lock in share mode queries |
| 17:01.59 | thebigdog | but with innodb tables |
| 17:02.39 | mindjuju | you know, i think locks are going against the grain here. it'll cause performance issues out the wazoo. i think mgeary should allow the pull on records and only allow the insert if it hasn't already been flagged or recently committed |
| 17:02.43 | mindjuju | biggest bang for buck |
| 17:02.49 | thebigdog | or using serializable on select queries with innodb |
| 17:04.16 | thebigdog | i would test with innodb |
| 17:04.26 | thebigdog | and then check out shared mode queries and see how they perform |
| 17:05.10 | thebigdog | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/innodb-locking-reads.html |
| 17:05.15 | thebigdog | something like that |
| 17:06.51 | thebigdog | if that does not work then i would look at another method |
| 17:07.31 | thebigdog | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/innodb-lock-modes.html |
| 17:07.37 | thebigdog | that is another good read |
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| 17:52.57 | mgeary | thebigdog, mindjuju, unum: i think i've got an answer to my issue: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/miscellaneous-functions.html#function_get-lock |
| 17:53.34 | thebigdog | nice |
| 17:54.11 | mindjuju | way to go mgeary! |
| 17:54.18 | mgeary | can't take the credit |
| 17:54.42 | mgeary | i know a mysql superstar. i try to but him as rarely as possible, but he's a nice ace-in-the-hole |
| 17:55.15 | mgeary | s/but/bug |
| 17:56.20 | thebigdog | thats a pretty nice function |
| 17:56.26 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:56.31 | thebigdog | especially in a sp |
| 17:57.59 | thebigdog | if anyone is curious about locks in pgsql check out the view table that you can query pg_locks |
| 17:58.36 | thebigdog | that makes it really nice to query a view for the data |
| 18:04.32 | macnewbold | ~seen Jacob_Kerr |
| 18:04.46 | jbot | jacob_kerr is currently on #uphpu (1h 32m 44s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1h 22m 38s, last said: 'not just ems in this article it covers allot of cool stuff to make all text through out all browsers and platforms have to same height, line height etc. etc.'. |
| 18:04.48 | thebigdog | he was here |
| 18:04.54 | macnewbold | cool |
| 18:04.55 | Jacob_Kerr | Wuz up macnewbold |
| 18:04.58 | macnewbold | howdy |
| 18:05.20 | Jacob_Kerr | I'm logged in now so I can get PMs :) |
| 18:05.24 | macnewbold | cool |
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| 18:32.43 | mgeary | hey, how can i recursively rename a directory of .JPG files to .jpg? |
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| 18:40.50 | wps | you on a Mac? |
| 18:41.49 | mgeary | linux |
| 18:44.35 | wps | I think that this will work |
| 18:45.00 | wps | find . | sed 's/\(.*\)\.JPG/mv \1.JPG \1.jpg/'|sh |
| 18:45.23 | wps | unfortunately, the rename tool does not appear to have a recursive option |
| 18:45.41 | mgeary | yeah, thanks for that. i'll try it |
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| 18:56.03 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 18:56.03 | jbot | There is no chin under Chuck Norris Beard. There is only another fist |
| 18:58.21 | unum | mindjuju: did you see the huckabee video? |
| 18:58.31 | mindjuju | loved the huckabee video |
| 19:04.06 | mindjuju | that's too funny that Prince hired Web Sheriff to go after thePirateBay, he should have checked thePirateBay website first... he'd have seen the Web Sheriff has already been berated and humiliated by TPB |
| 19:04.14 | mindjuju | love reading those TPB taunts |
| 19:10.16 | brasto | ~thepiratebay |
| 19:10.45 | mindjuju | ~wiki thepiratebay |
| 19:11.48 | mindjuju | jbot, thepiratebay is an Internet site that bills itself as "the world's largest BitTorrent tracker" and also serves as an index for .torrent files that it tracks. |
| 19:11.48 | jbot | mindjuju: okay |
| 19:11.54 | mindjuju | ~thepiratebay |
| 19:11.54 | jbot | i heard thepiratebay is an Internet site that bills itself as "the world's largest BitTorrent tracker" and also serves as an index for .torrent files that it tracks. |
| 19:12.00 | mindjuju | there ya go! |
| 19:12.57 | mindjuju | yeah, was only mentioning the legal threats section of their web page, not the theft of software |
| 19:13.23 | brasto | I know, I wasn't accusing anyone in this group of anything |
| 19:15.14 | burnin | Nobody expects the MPAA Inquisition!!! |
| 19:15.23 | burnin | ok, so maybe they do |
| 19:15.24 | mindjuju | love that sketch |
| 19:15.35 | mindjuju | bring out... the comfy chair! |
| 19:16.08 | burnin | mindjuju, actually that would be unauthorized copying of software, technically I don't think any actual theft occurs. |
| 19:17.23 | burnin | of course the MPAA doesn't see it that way, they equate copyright infringement with car jacking. |
| 19:17.49 | mindjuju | and Hatch sees it as an offense so grievous it's worthy to blow up your computer to stop |
| 19:19.26 | mindjuju | that orrin really makes me mad some times |
| 19:19.40 | timinator | the prob is greed..... greed corrupts.... and as the MPAA is greedy, they see "theft" in every corner |
| 19:21.29 | timinator | if they had their way, I'd have to buy another copy of my media for every type of player that I own |
| 19:22.01 | timinator | my $0.02 |
| 19:22.04 | timinator | :) |
| 19:23.14 | brasto | ~mpaa |
| 19:23.14 | jbot | i guess mpaa is Motion Picture Association of America, the evil sons of b*tches that are trying to make DVD a win32 and MacOS only product., but they are so stupid as to have their 'trade secret' available in public court records |
| 19:23.41 | burnin | timinator, actually I think if they had their way you'd pay everytime to used the licensed content. Or was it, you'd just pay them, or maybe that was the mob, the difference becomes less obvious the more wacko they get. |
| 19:24.23 | herlo | burnin: mpaa == the mob |
| 19:24.41 | burnin | wouldn't surprise me |
| 19:24.44 | timinator | ya, I bet you're right.... every time you watch a move, your CC would be charged |
| 19:25.03 | timinator | s/move/movie/ |
| 19:25.16 | herlo | timinator: I bet everytime you watch a move too |
| 19:26.05 | burnin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX |
| 19:26.18 | timinator | and a percentage of your sodas and popcorn while watching said movie |
| 19:26.20 | timinator | :) |
| 19:26.39 | timinator | oop, you went to the fridge, that's another $1.84 |
| 19:30.09 | herlo | timinator: and the commercials at the beginning of every move |
| 19:30.24 | timinator | ah, you had to reinstall your iPod? That's another $9.95 |
| 19:30.25 | herlo | 15 minutes of commercials right after I just paid $10 |
| 19:30.39 | herlo | ~wtf |
| 19:30.45 | timinator | yes, there's so many ways they make $$ on movies already |
| 19:30.54 | timinator | and product placement is huge now |
| 19:32.57 | timinator | I'm not against them making money.... but that's not the issue here |
| 19:35.00 | burnin | I think the only thing I have against them is their interference with the government and legal system. |
| 19:35.39 | burnin | if they want to make their products available on limited hardware/software and charge up the wazoo for every view by every individual I say go for it. |
| 19:35.53 | burnin | Let the market decide if its a dumb idea not the law. |
| 19:37.00 | burnin | when their competitor provides great movies at a great price that you can watch anytime anywhere on anything then the greedy tight wads will get their collective greedy butts whooped. |
| 19:37.43 | burnin | instead they band together and pay for legislation to turn their paying customers into criminals. |
| 19:38.19 | mindjuju | and timinator and herlo |
| 19:38.36 | timinator | the prob is that all those competitors are in this association..... so as far as the MPAA is concerned, it's a monopoly that doesn't get hit with that classification. |
| 19:39.03 | mindjuju | that's why i love apex the electronics manufactor4 |
| 19:39.11 | timinator | so, we'd have to turn off the boob tube, or switch to independent flicks |
| 19:39.18 | mindjuju | the first to sell DVD players with a "whoops" region free hidden code |
| 19:39.24 | mindjuju | which "whoops" got leaked |
| 19:39.25 | timinator | neither is going to happen in the marketplace |
| 19:39.55 | burnin | bah, the boob tube is full of garbage anyhow, and given a market I bet indies and foreign studios would be happy to compete. |
| 19:39.56 | timinator | I LOVE podcasting for this reason |
| 19:40.02 | timinator | but that's a side note |
| 19:40.10 | mindjuju | for those of us that like our kung fu movies old and fresh from hong kong, can be hard to play on a US only DVD player |
| 19:40.16 | burnin | china and mexico are coming out with some cool movies, but I have to use the subtext. |
| 19:40.42 | timinator | cause there's no podcast for Transformers or The Godfather |
| 19:40.45 | timinator | etc |
| 19:42.40 | timinator | but, there's another prob.... and that is that Hollywood and the Government are good buddies. Hollywood has deep pockets, and the Gov't officials have lots of power |
| 19:43.23 | timinator | oh, and Hollywood has influence |
| 19:44.25 | timinator | that's why Obama is doing so well, even though he's Muslim..... did you hear that Oprah is backing him big time? |
| 19:44.25 | herlo | mindjuju: thanks |
| 19:44.36 | timinator | *sigh |
| 19:44.43 | mindjuju | yeah, heard about Oprah |
| 19:44.55 | timinator | I better stop opening cans of worms and get back to work |
| 19:44.57 | timinator | :) |
| 19:46.07 | timinator | here's the link to the latest article I've read about Oprah/Obama: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8T5C5GG1&show_article=1 |
| 19:46.21 | timinator | I love seeing .php in links |
| 19:46.29 | herlo | timinator: podcasting rocks |
| 19:46.30 | timinator | makes me all warm and fuzzy inside |
| 19:46.51 | herlo | more to come... |
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| 19:52.19 | mindjuju | fungus, i know i've asked you like a thousand times, and promise this to be the last time, what is the name of that restaurant you recommended for geek lunch? GL is next friday and we need a place |
| 19:53.52 | fungus | Shanghi Cafe |
| 19:54.41 | mindjuju | fungus - does this address look right? http://utah.citysearch.com/profile/10388917/ |
| 19:55.17 | fungus | yup, that's it |
| 19:56.08 | mindjuju | macnewbold - are you and your crew up for some Chinese food at Shanghai Cafe @ 145E 1300S |
| 19:56.10 | fungus | Oh, a word of warning. Their service sucks, they can be abrupt and rude, but the food is worth it IMHO |
| 19:56.31 | mindjuju | cool, rude comments great food! |
| 19:56.55 | Jacob_Kerr | How reliable is Apache's ASP Support? |
| 19:56.58 | mindjuju | i can still throw a couple of insults in Mandarin if needed |
| 19:58.49 | mgeary | Jacob_Kerr: did you just ask what i think you asked? |
| 19:59.11 | mindjuju | yeah, i wondered if ASP meant something other than Active Server Pages |
| 19:59.19 | mgeary | why would you ever, ever ever serve ASP with Apache? |
| 19:59.20 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I prob. could have worded that beter.. |
| 19:59.56 | mgeary | there's a used-to-be-OSS something-or-other that can run ASP on Apache, but it's gone commercial. It's name is something... |
| 19:59.59 | Jacob_Kerr | Well the company I work for has hosting with Apache and they support ASP. |
| 20:00.11 | Jacob_Kerr | We're thinking about moving an ASP site to it.. |
| 20:00.21 | mindjuju | i used to do ASP, as far as i know there are 2 options |
| 20:00.30 | mindjuju | chilisoft and .... |
| 20:00.35 | mgeary | yeah, chilisoft, that's it |
| 20:00.38 | mgeary | there's also this: http://www.apache-asp.org/ |
| 20:00.39 | Jacob_Kerr | Well I run with Rack Space and ASP Support is an option. |
| 20:00.48 | mgeary | but jeeze, i'd never run ASP on Apache |
| 20:00.56 | mgeary | well, *I'd* never run ASP.... ;) |
| 20:01.19 | mindjuju | if i recall, rackspace offers asp through chilisoft |
| 20:01.24 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah I agree prob. a bad idea moving the classic asp site to the Apache server.. |
| 20:01.27 | mindjuju | had a box at rackspace |
| 20:01.31 | Jacob_Kerr | cool.. |
| 20:02.28 | Jacob_Kerr | Does the ASP run just as well on through chilisoft as it does through IIS.. |
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| 20:02.54 | mindjuju | depends on how complex the code is |
| 20:02.57 | mindjuju | and how well written |
| 20:03.08 | Jacob_Kerr | k. |
| 20:03.25 | mindjuju | but all things being equal i remember it being mostly close, a few things that couldn't be overcome |
| 20:03.45 | mindjuju | errr... i think i said that wrong |
| 20:03.59 | mindjuju | i meant to say that it took some patching but worked after that and a monkey wrench |
| 20:04.06 | mindjuju | my brain is still off eatting turkey |
| 20:04.11 | mindjuju | i'm only half here today |
| 20:08.47 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL. |
| 20:17.10 | timinator | mindjuju: I found a kick-butt trance podcast |
| 20:17.17 | timinator | do you use iTunes? |
| 20:17.30 | timinator | iTunes URL: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=110466425 |
| 20:19.53 | mindjuju | yup, have itunes |
| 20:20.54 | timinator | cool |
| 20:21.22 | timinator | the stream is here (for those w/o iTunes): http://dj-eros.com/tpm_podcasts.xml |
| 20:21.58 | brasto | don't that just beat all... we have a kvm switch for serial interface with several head nodes in a super-computing system. The KVM, I just found, has a Linux OS. However, you can only interface with it remotely with Internet Explorer... |
| 20:22.22 | timinator | eek |
| 20:22.26 | brasto | ~lart the fathead programmer who wrote the remote admin software for our kvm |
| 20:22.26 | jbot | blames the fathead programmer who wrote the remote admin software for all the evil in the world for our kvm |
| 20:22.41 | timinator | <chant> ssh ssh ssh </chant> |
| 20:23.35 | brasto | who would put something on a linux machine that you can only use from a Windows machine is beyond me |
| 20:24.02 | brasto | it's worse than writing a web site only to work with one browser. |
| 20:56.25 | herlo | brasto: wine! |
| 20:57.15 | brasto | herlo is there a way to install Internet Explorer on a linux distro with wine? |
| 20:59.24 | herlo | brasto: yuk |
| 20:59.38 | brasto | agreed, herlo |
| 20:59.54 | brasto | it's a kvm that you can only connect to remotely with IE |
| 21:00.14 | brasto | but the kvm's underlying OS is Linux |
| 21:01.51 | herlo | brasto: probably, but I wouldn't want to try |
| 21:02.03 | brasto | me neither |
| 21:02.19 | herlo | ~lart ie |
| 21:02.19 | jbot | does a little 'renice 20 -u ie' |
| 21:02.32 | herlo | brasto: note the *little* ie |
| 21:02.49 | brasto | :) |
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| 21:36.38 | mindjuju | thx |
| 22:06.47 | thebigdog | brasto you can do it with wine |
| 22:07.49 | thebigdog | i have it running on my box |
| 22:08.41 | thebigdog | this might be worth something http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/news/28 |
| 22:09.13 | thebigdog | and you can use crossover too |
| 22:09.19 | thebigdog | that is pretty stable |
| 22:09.40 | thebigdog | http://www.codeweavers.com/ |
| 22:25.31 | mindjuju | top 5 reasons to get an iphone - http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wishlist/what-iphone-thirdparty-apps-would-you-like-264784.php |
| 22:25.35 | mindjuju | num 5 is my fav |
| 22:30.38 | herlo | http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/08/iphone-problems-apple-tech-wireless-cx_df_0611iphone_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=20000 |
| 22:30.49 | herlo | top 5 reasons *not* to get an iPhone |
| 22:30.59 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:31.55 | brasto | thebigdog: I may just look into that, if for no other reason than to test websites in IE without having to have a computer with Windows anymore. |
| 22:32.30 | thebigdog | brasto, i have used wine and installed ie6 |
| 22:32.37 | herlo | brasto: the forbes site works great in ff |
| 22:32.40 | thebigdog | that seems to work ok...crossover is really nice and easy to setup |
| 22:32.49 | herlo | brasto: get a real browser I was told one day, use epiphany |
| 22:33.10 | thebigdog | epiphany rocked back in the day |
| 22:33.12 | mindjuju | herlo - looks like preFUD to me, anyhow, who can name another browser that plays SCUMM? if there is one, i'll buy that |
| 22:33.15 | brasto | epiphany - that's another spin off of firefox or mozilla, right? |
| 22:33.16 | thebigdog | i loved that browser |
| 22:33.39 | herlo | thebigdog: I hear its great, it doesn't work so well for me so far |
| 22:33.54 | thebigdog | epiphany? |
| 22:34.11 | herlo | mindjuju: http://www.switched.com/2007/06/25/five-more-reasons-not-to-buy-the-iphone/ |
| 22:34.27 | thebigdog | brasto, epiphany is built on the gecko engine |
| 22:34.34 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, and http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1890 |
| 22:34.55 | herlo | mindjuju: and you might even respect this one: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1805.html |
| 22:34.59 | herlo | :) |
| 22:35.02 | mgeary | anyone here ever implemented X-cart? |
| 22:35.27 | mindjuju | was going to say, that second one you sent, psh, half of the cons or pros |
| 22:35.27 | thebigdog | i have not used it for a about while though |
| 22:35.39 | mindjuju | i don't want a phone with GPS, the fed can already track me other ways |
| 22:35.44 | mindjuju | don't want them having realtime |
| 22:35.57 | mindjuju | which, an article posted the other day says verizon and others have given the fed that data before |
| 22:35.58 | herlo | mindjuju: turn it off |
| 22:36.08 | mindjuju | yeah, but why pay for a feature and turn it off? |
| 22:36.16 | mindjuju | rather just not have it, know what i mean |
| 22:36.46 | mindjuju | anyhow, complaining that 8g isn't enough for the iphone, which phone has more? |
| 22:37.02 | mindjuju | still, SCUMM advantage is the awesomest feature of any cell phone |
| 22:37.41 | thebigdog | herlo i use ot use galeon too |
| 22:39.42 | herlo | thebigdog: I've used that before, not a bad browser |
| 22:40.02 | herlo | mindjuju: wasn't suggesting you turn off gps all the time, just when you're not using it |
| 22:40.05 | thebigdog | i really like the simple browsers on gnome |
| 22:40.51 | thebigdog | ff is really good |
| 22:40.57 | mgeary | anyone have a nicely encapsulated class to interface with Authorize.Net that they want to share? |
| 22:43.00 | thebigdog | mgeary, i thought authorize.net has something |
| 22:43.15 | mgeary | they do, but last i checked it wasn't encapsulated in a class |
| 22:43.26 | mgeary | just wanted to poll the masses before i do that work myself |
| 22:49.05 | herlo | mindjuju: Treo 755p, and probably not |
| 22:49.19 | herlo | mindjuju: and it can (but doesn't yet for me anyway) support gps |
| 22:54.06 | mindjuju | herlo - looks like they do have SCUMM for yours, but not real keen on the GPS - http://www.freeware-palm.com/download-scummvm-v0-9-0cvs.html |
| 22:54.50 | mindjuju | you know though, between the Treo 755p and the iPhone, i wonder which has the highest chick factor |
| 22:58.04 | influx^^ | meaning what? |
| 22:58.24 | thebigdog | mindjuju, just learn lua and you will be good |
| 22:59.43 | herlo | mindjuju: Treo for sure! Its sexy and very stable. Women like men who are stable :) |
| 23:00.01 | herlo | mindjuju: girlies like men who are flashy and unsupportable |
| 23:03.12 | influx^^ | I have a treo. |
| 23:03.25 | influx^^ | I get women's numbers on a nightly basis when I flash this bad boy. |
| 23:03.37 | mindjuju | really? |
| 23:03.49 | influx^^ | In Second Life, yeah. |
| 23:04.02 | influx^^ | ;D |
| 23:05.14 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 23:05.15 | jbot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 23:06.52 | brasto | ~chuckfact |
| 23:06.53 | jbot | There is no chin under Chuck Norris Beard. There is only another fist |
| 23:07.13 | brasto | ~chuckfact |
| 23:07.14 | jbot | Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush |
| 23:07.20 | mindjuju | have to wait 8 seconds or you get a note from jbot |
| 23:07.29 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 23:07.30 | jbot | There is no chin under Chuck Norris Beard. There is only another fist |
| 23:07.35 | brasto | are there only 2 chuckfacts? |
| 23:07.36 | mindjuju | there should be more, |
| 23:07.40 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 23:07.41 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 23:07.53 | mindjuju | ah-yeah |
| 23:08.03 | brasto | mindjuju: jbot gave me a notice that said someone said it 9 seconds ago |
| 23:08.13 | brasto | so apparently it's more than just 8 seconds now |
| 23:08.19 | mindjuju | k |
| 23:08.33 | brasto | ~chuckfact |
| 23:08.33 | jbot | When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 23:09.03 | influx^^ | ~rlart |
| 23:09.04 | jbot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that josephscott is stuck to the floor |
| 23:09.17 | influx^^ | fhuqwgads! |
| 23:10.33 | herlo | mindjuju: jbot makes you wait 10secs |
| 23:10.36 | brasto | ~poke someone |
| 23:10.36 | jbot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind someone, pokes someone repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:10.54 | brasto | ~nudge someone |
| 23:10.55 | jbot | ACTION elbows someone until he gets someone's attention |
| 23:14.53 | herlo | brasto: yes? |
| 23:15.16 | mindjuju | i think brasto was just looking for a fight |
| 23:15.19 | mindjuju | not with a question |
| 23:16.14 | brasto | herlo I'm not sure, are you stating it as a fact or asking me |
| 23:16.46 | brasto | ? |
| 23:17.06 | herlo | brasto: you poked me |
| 23:17.37 | brasto | herlo: I poked someone, but not herlo... |
| 23:17.46 | brasto | I also nudged someone |
| 23:22.24 | herlo | brasto: I am someone |
| 23:23.53 | thebigdog | oh here we go |
| 23:27.23 | timinator | DANG!!! nice ink thebigdog |
| 23:28.53 | mindjuju | that Mr. T commercial for WoW is awesome |
| 23:29.09 | thebigdog | which one |
| 23:29.28 | mindjuju | where he says that he has hacker skills and hacked in the night elf something or other |
| 23:29.35 | mindjuju | i've only seen one, are there others? |
| 23:29.44 | thebigdog | not sure i dont watch commercials |
| 23:30.09 | thebigdog | * thebigdog rocks some Finger Eleven - Paralyzer |
| 23:30.15 | mindjuju | @ thebigdog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bsOKH3_DNo |
| 23:30.45 | thebigdog | nice |
| 23:31.13 | mindjuju | there is a william shatner one too, but not nearly as funny |
| 23:32.16 | thebigdog | * brasto raises is eyebrows in Spock-like fashion and says "indeed" |
| 23:32.29 | thebigdog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRmGK-ztGpg&feature=related |
| 23:32.35 | thebigdog | cutnpaste is pissing me off |
| 23:33.30 | mindjuju | that's funny |
| 23:38.32 | bradym | anyone use oracle? |
| 23:39.08 | mindjuju | thebigdog did |
| 23:39.11 | mindjuju | ~ashquote |
| 23:39.12 | jbot | your primitive intellect wouldn't understand things with alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures. |
| 23:40.47 | mindjuju | ~ashquote |
| 23:40.48 | jbot | See this? This... is my boomstick! |
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| 23:42.45 | thebigdog | bradym, i do |
| 23:42.47 | thebigdog | whatz up |
| 23:43.17 | bradym | i'm trying to get some tables and views out of oracle and import them into mysql... is there something similar to mysqldump for oracle? |
| 23:44.04 | thebigdog | yeah exp |
| 23:46.28 | bradym | thx - now i just gotta figure out how to use it :) |
| 23:48.24 | thebigdog | exp full |
| 23:48.28 | thebigdog | http://www.remote-dba.net/teas_rem_util8.htm |
| 23:48.32 | thebigdog | those are the options |
| 23:48.43 | thebigdog | some exmples http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_export_syntax_example.htm |
| 23:52.44 | bradym | awesome.. thanks thebigdog |
| 23:52.56 | thebigdog | np |
| 23:56.26 | timinator | LOL |
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