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| 00:13.59 | JacobKerr | What do you guys think of one of my first small set of classes (well not first but close): http://pastebin.com/d3207e6f1 |
| 00:17.19 | mgeary | well... |
| 00:18.02 | mgeary | instead of having your mysql class handle multiple connections, why not just instantiate a new object from the class for each DB you need to connect to? that'd be much more OOP |
| 00:18.38 | mgeary | $db_one = new MySQL_DB($host,$db,$user,$pw); |
| 00:18.43 | mgeary | $db_two = new MySQL_DB($host,$db,$user,$pw); |
| 00:19.05 | JacobKerr | I c.. |
| 00:19.08 | mgeary | that's what i do |
| 00:19.18 | mgeary | and, you know, i'm so smart and all |
| 00:19.28 | mgeary | ;P |
| 00:19.29 | PoeticIntensity | I think you underestimate yourself. |
| 00:19.31 | JacobKerr | that sounds like a good idea I just had my head wrapped around setting my connection once in a config file and never having to touch it again.. |
| 00:20.06 | PoeticIntensity | I've found it helps when using multiple dbs in one application. |
| 00:20.36 | mgeary | yeah |
| 00:21.03 | mgeary | $db_comparer->moveTable($table_name,$db_one,$db_two); |
| 00:21.34 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 00:21.46 | PoeticIntensity | does it do different engines, too? |
| 00:21.57 | PoeticIntensity | like syncing mysql w/ pgsql? |
| 00:21.58 | mgeary | not currently |
| 00:22.01 | mgeary | that'd be cool |
| 00:22.07 | PoeticIntensity | still, very cool, man. |
| 00:22.10 | mgeary | but i don't do (enough) work with pgsql |
| 00:22.21 | PoeticIntensity | yeah..... |
| 00:22.42 | PoeticIntensity | it's amazing that people use what has become to be known as the "industry standard"..... even if it sucks hardcore.... |
| 00:22.47 | PoeticIntensity | MySQL doesn't suck.... |
| 00:22.48 | mgeary | hehehehe |
| 00:22.50 | PoeticIntensity | but Windows does... :) |
| 00:23.07 | JacobKerr | I want to start using more and more classes so I can just use code over and over again easily and hopefully one day I will have a good set of classes I can use to put together a CMS quick etc. |
| 00:23.12 | PoeticIntensity | yup.... |
| 00:23.28 | JacobKerr | it took me like 14 hr. to build those dumb classes LOL. |
| 00:23.32 | PoeticIntensity | that line of thinking has worked for me, JacobKerr . |
| 00:23.35 | mgeary | JacobKerr: they're a great start |
| 00:23.36 | JacobKerr | still a little slow I guess.. |
| 00:23.49 | PoeticIntensity | nah |
| 00:23.58 | mgeary | one other insight-- |
| 00:24.31 | JacobKerr | k, I appreciate all the insight I can get.. |
| 00:24.50 | mgeary | it's my philosophy that in nearly all cases, an Object's method (function) should never return html, but rather should return data (often an array). It is the role of the template system to render this array into html, xml, plain text, etc |
| 00:25.16 | mgeary | except for my debug class, NONE of my classes *ever* print output to the browser |
| 00:25.29 | mgeary | doing so severely limits their usefulness |
| 00:25.50 | PoeticIntensity | code gets *really* messy *really* fast while allowing classes to output to the browser... (in my experience) |
| 00:25.58 | JacobKerr | I was thinking of doing that, just returning the array and doing what I need with it outsidde of the class |
| 00:26.20 | PoeticIntensity | man... I want to go driving. |
| 00:26.23 | PoeticIntensity | I think I will. |
| 00:27.07 | JacobKerr | Yeah but this class is for developers only in the end I will output the code for a cvs or htaccess that can easily be copyed and saved. |
| 00:27.51 | JacobKerr | is there a function where you can set a list of characters to take out of a string instead of using a bunch of str_replace? |
| 00:27.56 | bradym | the nice thing about not outputing data inside a class or function is you always know where to go to modify the output.. it's always in your view/template file as opposed to spending half an hour reading through your code to trace to where that stupid missing tag is ;) |
| 00:28.03 | JacobKerr | I guess I could of made a function that did all those... |
| 00:28.26 | JacobKerr | Good point. |
| 00:28.57 | mgeary | JacobKerr: str_replace can accept arrays |
| 00:29.08 | JacobKerr | oh nice.. |
| 00:29.32 | mgeary | str_replace(array("a","b","c"),array("1","2","3"),$some_text); |
| 00:29.38 | JacobKerr | One of these days I am going to get regular expressions down LOL.. |
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| 00:48.45 | mgeary | who's still around? |
| 00:48.53 | mgeary | anyone here a photography buff? |
| 00:57.03 | SunSparc | buff? |
| 00:57.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 00:58.09 | SunSparc | Good evening all! |
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| 04:43.30 | mindjuju | wps, you around? |
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| 15:38.01 | wps | sorry I missed you, mindjuju |
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| 15:53.49 | mindjuju | no worries, wps-- sending PM |
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| 16:10.46 | mindjuju | ~seen thebigdog |
| 16:10.48 | jbot | thebigdog <n=bigdog@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 5d 16h 53m 6s ago, saying: 'well 50 to start'. |
| 16:12.43 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 16:12.44 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 16:14.09 | mindjuju | ~toejam utah_dave |
| 16:14.10 | jbot | ACTION wipes all the crud and utah_dave from out between his toes. Yuck! |
| 16:14.29 | Utah_Dave | ~rlart mindjuju |
| 16:14.43 | mindjuju | utah_dave, that command doesn't accept a param |
| 16:14.45 | mindjuju | you meant |
| 16:14.48 | mindjuju | ~lart utah_dave |
| 16:14.48 | jbot | steals utah_dave's mojo |
| 16:14.59 | Utah_Dave | ~mindjuju mindjuju |
| 16:15.08 | Utah_Dave | ~mindjuju |
| 16:15.09 | jbot | somebody said mindjuju was sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or sweat sexy hawtness |
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| 16:15.23 | Utah_Dave | oh, speaking of windows system administrator |
| 16:15.36 | Utah_Dave | I performed some magic on IIS for a client yesterday |
| 16:15.54 | mgeary | you uninstalled it? |
| 16:16.08 | fungus | No, he did "black magic" |
| 16:16.30 | Utah_Dave | I wish I could have uninstalled it. |
| 16:16.38 | mindjuju | hey, what's the base permission required to access files in a folder on a linux box? just read rights, right? |
| 16:16.49 | mindjuju | not execute, etc ... |
| 16:16.54 | mgeary | you need execute to list it |
| 16:16.59 | macnewbold | in a folder, to get to that dir you need execute perms |
| 16:17.03 | Utah_Dave | They installed some other software on the box and in the process they reset the password for the IUSR user |
| 16:17.46 | mindjuju | how did you get it back, utah_dave? |
| 16:17.51 | Utah_Dave | It took forever to figure out why the web app wasn't working |
| 16:18.15 | Utah_Dave | Google pointed me to a vbs script someone wrote that pulls the password out of meta-data or something |
| 16:18.46 | mindjuju | curious, i just saw that same thing about a week ago |
| 16:18.59 | mindjuju | for when mgeary had question about IUSR, IWAM |
| 16:19.05 | Utah_Dave | then I reset the passwords in IIS to that password and BAM! I'm the hero |
| 16:19.16 | mindjuju | nice! |
| 16:19.18 | Utah_Dave | it pulled out the password for the IWAM user as well |
| 16:19.33 | mgeary | hey hey, it's time to start hitting up companies in Maryland for work. they'll get an automatic 6% discount on your programming: http://www.informationweek.com/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=203103232 |
| 16:20.16 | Utah_Dave | heh |
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| 16:28.18 | mindjuju | ah, the day before Thanksgiving, time to do some laid back coding, unfoob a box, and put on the Star Wars Holiday Special |
| 16:28.30 | orsonj | heh |
| 16:28.32 | mgeary | ~gobble |
| 16:28.33 | jbot | ACTION gobble-gobbles |
| 16:29.02 | wps | as root, I added my user to an additional group |
| 16:29.19 | wps | when I view what groups that user belongs to it shows the new group |
| 16:29.31 | wps | when I exit root and view my groups as myself though it does not show that new user |
| 16:32.59 | mgeary | you may need to re-log in |
| 16:34.13 | wps | ah… good suggestion |
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| 16:36.08 | wps | that worked |
| 16:36.09 | wps | thanks |
| 16:36.11 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:36.14 | mgeary | seen that myself |
| 16:36.41 | orsonj | heh, the ubuntu live cd will install ati drivers for you, but requires a reboot for them to work. catch-22 |
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| 16:57.37 | mgeary | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc |
| 16:57.43 | mgeary | some cops are such idiots |
| 16:59.02 | mgeary | here's the article: http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695229509,00.html |
| 17:01.30 | wps | I don't think that the cop is 100% out of line though |
| 17:01.38 | wps | that guy did not do anything that the cop asked him to do |
| 17:01.47 | wps | and that guy was out of his car walking around and not obeying him |
| 17:01.52 | mgeary | i agree that the driver didn't handle it completely well |
| 17:01.56 | mgeary | but the cop was still out of line |
| 17:02.03 | wps | I would be afraid if I was the cop |
| 17:02.12 | wps | the driver is an idiot |
| 17:02.16 | wps | you NEVER disobey a cop |
| 17:02.21 | wps | do what he says and work it out in court |
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| 17:02.36 | mgeary | yeah, but that's a problematic philosophy |
| 17:02.47 | wps | if a cop has a gun/taser drawn on you, why on earth would you do anything but get on the ground |
| 17:02.48 | mgeary | i understand what you're saying, and to an extent, i agree |
| 17:03.01 | mgeary | but there is so much abuse of power |
| 17:03.09 | wps | even handcuffed the guy still doesn't obey the cop |
| 17:03.27 | wps | I agree that there is abuse of power, but I also think that that guy asked for it |
| 17:03.54 | mgeary | at another level, what the cop did falls under the definition of a "speed trap", which is illegal |
| 17:04.07 | mgeary | you have to allow a vehicle "coasting down" time after a sudden speed limit change |
| 17:04.24 | mgeary | the cop was sitting right at the 40mph sign |
| 17:07.40 | pelaofeliz | did the cop also searched the car without consent? |
| 17:09.09 | mindjuju | i think once the driver is arrested the police officer has the authority to inspect the car |
| 17:09.33 | mindjuju | but need to double check that |
| 17:10.15 | pelaofeliz | so... if you refuse to sign a ticket, that's grounds for arrest? |
| 17:10.27 | wps | I think so |
| 17:10.36 | mgeary | yeah, apparently so |
| 17:10.50 | mgeary | but signing just acknowledges *receipt* of the ticket |
| 17:11.09 | pelaofeliz | that makes sense, I guess |
| 17:11.13 | wps | you're not admitting guilt… you're just signing that you acknowledge that you were caught |
| 17:11.28 | mgeary | i wonder if they actually charged the driver with anything |
| 17:13.00 | pelaofeliz | "Jared Massey is still fighting the speeding charge in Uintah County Justice Court. A trial is set for Jan. 12." |
| 17:13.15 | mgeary | yeah, but that's not grounds for arrest |
| 17:13.26 | mgeary | if they arrested him, they'd either need to charge him or release him |
| 17:13.28 | wps | why would you ever walk towards or around a cop when he had a gun/taser drawn on you? |
| 17:13.38 | mindjuju | but disobeying a direct order from police office is grounds |
| 17:13.42 | mgeary | right |
| 17:13.42 | pelaofeliz | 'cause you're a tough guy? |
| 17:13.52 | mgeary | mindjuju: but was he charged with that? that's what i wonder |
| 17:14.16 | mindjuju | i'm sure that was on the list of things the report contained |
| 17:14.27 | mindjuju | speeding, disobey |
| 17:14.46 | mindjuju | but truthfully, there isn't enough video here to see enough context to determine much |
| 17:15.09 | pelaofeliz | well, it's very easy to determine that the cop didn't need to taser the guy |
| 17:15.11 | mindjuju | there are parts of the film where you can see it's been cut |
| 17:15.15 | mgeary | i heard yesterday that in the last ~10 months, 14 people in Canada have died after being tasered |
| 17:16.02 | mindjuju | well, not obeying a direct order from a police officer is a very bad thing |
| 17:17.04 | mgeary | which is not to say that all orders from cops *ought* to be obeyed |
| 17:17.22 | mgeary | did you see about that photographer in Seattle who was arrested for taking pictures of an arrest? |
| 17:17.23 | pelaofeliz | yes, but they're not allowed to taser someone without a threat of physical harm, or other means of control would be harmful or have already been tried |
| 17:18.03 | mindjuju | hmmm... i'd say disobey police request at your own risk |
| 17:18.04 | mgeary | re: that photographer-- he was given an $8k settlement from the Seattle police dept |
| 17:18.30 | mindjuju | didn't hear about Seattle |
| 17:18.35 | pelaofeliz | ...the problem with the whole thing, though, is that if mgeary is right, and the stop itself was illegal, then basically the officer assaulted the guy |
| 17:18.44 | pelaofeliz | plus wrongful arrest |
| 17:18.52 | mindjuju | settlement doesn't always mean that the police were in the wrong, may also mena not worth getting into court for |
| 17:18.52 | mgeary | mindjuju: http://q13.trb.com/news/kcpq-acluphotog110807,0,7758293.story |
| 17:18.52 | pelaofeliz | wouldn't it? |
| 17:18.56 | mindjuju | that's why i hate settlements |
| 17:19.04 | mindjuju | gives the wrong impression, quick money for lawyers |
| 17:19.26 | mgeary | People have a right to take photographs in public places |
| 17:19.30 | mindjuju | pelaofeliz, not enough info on the video |
| 17:19.39 | mindjuju | police says there were 2 signs |
| 17:20.09 | mindjuju | that's why the dude was all wanting to go back up the road to see the second sign, from the video, we don't know if second sign or no |
| 17:20.56 | mindjuju | mgeary, totally agree, though i know the darpa offices don't offer citizens that same right. have read article about people trying to take pictures of darpa offices and having film taken or camera |
| 17:21.22 | mindjuju | pelaofeliz - then the tazered dude has more ground to argue from |
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| 17:24.42 | timinator | mawnin' |
| 17:24.55 | mindjuju | yet another reason to go MBP - these commercials are too funny - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRAUlK8_2VE |
| 17:26.10 | mgeary | yeah, that's on today |
| 17:39.52 | timinator | too funny mindjuju |
| 17:40.07 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:42.44 | mindjuju | timinator - http://kotaku.com/gaming/clips/new-wow-ads-recruit-mr-t-and-shatner-325030.php |
| 17:44.22 | timinator | those are great!! |
| 17:44.33 | mindjuju | yeah, love the Mr T on WoW |
| 17:45.45 | mindjuju | timinator, did you see that the latest UPHPU meet was posted to the site? |
| 17:45.57 | timinator | no.... checking/downloading |
| 17:46.08 | timinator | THANK YOU MINDJUJU |
| 17:48.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:48.43 | mindjuju | we're still holding on the slides, but i'll see if i can't find his num and give him a call |
| 17:56.52 | PoeticIntensity | oh man, mindjuju, that "give up on Vista" commercial is hilarious! |
| 17:57.58 | mindjuju | yeah, who ever is making those commercials is very creative |
| 18:03.25 | wps | first time that I have seen two banner ads tied together like that |
| 18:03.27 | wps | brilliant |
| 18:04.06 | mgeary | we've *almost* done a few of those |
| 18:04.12 | mgeary | they always get killed at the last minute |
| 18:04.14 | mgeary | :/ |
| 18:04.38 | mgeary | one was for the NBA, where a ball would be shot from a side banner to the hoop at the top. we were even going to make it interactive |
| 18:04.39 | mgeary | ah well |
| 18:06.23 | PoeticIntensity | makes me reflect on how many business are in the business of being creative.... vs. businesses who are in business to copy other businesses. |
| 18:06.48 | mgeary | heh. often it's those latter ones that make more money |
| 18:06.55 | PoeticIntensity | sadly, true. |
| 18:07.05 | mindjuju | no doubt, hate the "me too" phenomena |
| 18:07.07 | PoeticIntensity | because there's less risk in copying a reliable proven model. |
| 18:07.10 | mgeary | yep |
| 18:07.41 | PoeticIntensity | that was a creative business. |
| 18:11.25 | mindjuju | that would be nice... it's actually quite over here |
| 18:11.39 | mgeary | mindjuju: remind me where you work |
| 18:11.50 | mindjuju | Bill Good Marketing |
| 18:12.51 | mindjuju | it used to be hot as an oven, so I turned the AC up, since i have a couple of servers in my office, now it's too cold... i'm thinking of starting up a couple of monitors and computers to get things to warm up a little |
| 18:15.43 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - you had the right idea but wrong implementation |
| 18:16.05 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... good call, mindjuju |
| 18:20.15 | influx^^_ | (************) |
| 18:20.16 | influx^^_ | ... |
| 18:21.12 | influx^^_ | I'll be checking the job list in a second, but I'll ask here as well: Do any of you know off the top of your heads of any entry-level positions for anything? |
| 18:22.04 | mgeary | for anything?? |
| 18:22.36 | mindjuju | do you have resume online somewhere? |
| 18:23.03 | orsonj | I seem to remember seeing a sign for entry level food service on my way to work. ;) |
| 18:23.27 | influx^^_ | mindjuju: I can have one up in a few minutes. |
| 18:23.44 | influx^^_ | orsonj: If it comes to that, I'll do it, but I'm hoping it doesn't. |
| 18:24.01 | mgeary | influx^^_: where are you located? |
| 18:25.34 | influx^^_ | mgeary: downtown slc |
| 18:26.12 | mgeary | \itunes |
| 18:26.14 | mgeary | oops |
| 18:26.18 | mgeary | :D |
| 18:26.48 | influx^^_ | Para bailar La Bamba! |
| 18:26.56 | influx^^_ | Para bailar La Bamba, se necesita un poco de gracia! |
| 18:27.15 | mgeary | "you need a bit of grace" ? |
| 18:27.23 | mindjuju | you do |
| 18:27.25 | influx^^_ | yes. I probably used the wrong word though. |
| 18:27.48 | mindjuju | actually, that sounded bad, i meant that to sound funny |
| 18:27.59 | influx^^_ | resume: http://www.hellofount.com/files/resume-martin_moreno.pdf |
| 18:28.20 | influx^^_ | :] |
| 18:28.31 | influx^^_ | w/ 2 |
| 18:30.50 | influx^^_ | Does the company consist of more than two people? |
| 18:31.06 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:31.14 | mindjuju | mgeary works for media rain |
| 18:31.14 | mgeary | barely ;) |
| 18:31.17 | mgeary | naw |
| 18:31.21 | mindjuju | oh, i thought you did |
| 18:31.29 | mgeary | that's SunSparc and _psychic_ |
| 18:32.02 | mgeary | but we're in Orem |
| 18:32.52 | influx^^_ | :o |
| 18:43.03 | timinator | anyone use amfphp? |
| 18:43.16 | timinator | and passed vars/arrays to a PHP method? |
| 18:43.33 | timinator | how does that syntax look on the AS side? |
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| 18:51.14 | influx^^_ | Well, I still work for my boss, so that's good. |
| 18:52.14 | mgeary | timinator: i've done it, but haven't for quite some time. it's not fresh in my mind :/ |
| 18:52.21 | mgeary | SunSparc was just doing that a day or so ago |
| 18:53.06 | timinator | ~APB SunSparc |
| 18:53.06 | jbot | ACTION summons Beth to find SunSparc |
| 18:54.49 | influx^^_ | 2-hour bus ride to orem. :D |
| 18:57.12 | mgeary | yeah, but these days, i'm sure there are loads of decent opportunities in the SLC area |
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| 19:00.19 | influx^^_ | I hope so. What makes you say that, though? |
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| 19:00.53 | mgeary | well, we were last in hiring mode about 6 months ago, and it seemed like there were far more openings than candidates |
| 19:02.54 | influx^^_ | Ah. |
| 19:08.39 | mindjuju | yeah, lady at omniture was saying they have like 100 openings right now |
| 19:08.52 | PoeticIntensity | croikey! |
| 19:18.09 | wps | if you do apply at Omniture, let me refer you and I'll share the referral bonus with you |
| 19:22.19 | unum | do they have these positions listed somewhere? |
| 19:31.52 | influx^^_ | k |
| 20:00.11 | burnin | do any of you use uml for some of your projects? and if yes which editor and can it export to html files? |
| 20:00.18 | burnin | I'm playing with umlet and bouml. |
| 20:01.06 | burnin | umlet is simple, easy, and written in java so it runs on linux, windows, mac, etc. bouml is much more complicated and difficult to use, but it can export to html format. |
| 20:05.50 | burnin | mgeary, do you use something like UML to jot down and communicate design ideas? |
| 20:06.03 | mgeary | nope |
| 20:06.09 | burnin | just code? |
| 20:06.10 | burnin | :) |
| 20:06.12 | mgeary | haven't found a Mac tool that makes it easy |
| 20:06.23 | mgeary | OmniGraffle is good, but it has no real export capabilities |
| 20:07.36 | burnin | mgeary, umlet will run on a mac, and it can export the models as jpg, svg, pdf, or eps. |
| 20:11.27 | mgeary | but that's not very useful exports |
| 20:11.33 | mgeary | OmniGraffle will do that as well |
| 20:12.46 | burnin | yeah, a developer at work showed me a UML package for Visio that exports to html which works out nice for presentations. |
| 20:13.13 | burnin | you can click on the various connecting points on the diagrams and it takes you from one to the next or back. |
| 20:15.31 | *** join/#uphpu nAmir100 (i=Aviv@gateway/tor/x-921809ba8365f1a6) |
| 20:15.50 | JacobKerr | \join JacobKerr |
| 20:16.03 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 20:16.05 | JacobKerr | hmm |
| 20:16.10 | mgeary | what'd be useful IMHO would be a UML program that created class files and stub functions and/or SQL |
| 20:16.32 | JacobKerr | \msg |
| 20:17.07 | burnin | mgeary, I think bouml can do that, and its open source so their could be a mac version |
| 20:17.52 | burnin | mgeary, but its a bit of a pain to create all the classes and what not, but perhaps thats necessary to be able to generate code from the UML. |
| 20:18.10 | burnin | http://bouml.free.fr/ |
| 20:18.14 | mgeary | well, if you're not using UML to diagram your classes, what are you using UML for? |
| 20:20.13 | burnin | its just not an easy interface to use, compared to something like umlet, but you would still diagram your classes. |
| 20:21.17 | influx^^_ | mindjuju: http://www.hellofount.com/ Old layout, but it works. (Threw it together in a night for a short-notice interview.) |
| 20:21.37 | burnin | heh, there is an OS X download of bouml. |
| 20:22.40 | burnin | anyhow, was just curious... back to work |
| 20:36.31 | JacobKerr | The answer on the registration for uphpu is case sensitive |
| 20:37.11 | JacobKerr | Well anyway I know allot more about Washington's Horses now.. |
| 20:41.38 | JacobKerr | \allserver nick & 2 |
| 20:45.43 | *** part/#uphpu JacobKerr (n=JacobKer@72.25.165.83) |
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| 21:07.24 | Jacob_Kerr | fun fun I get to figure out how to connect to a SQ Light database via php... |
| 21:07.50 | mgeary | why?? |
| 21:08.05 | mgeary | sqlite is single-user. php is nearly always multi-user |
| 21:08.08 | Jacob_Kerr | I have to pull data from a cgi carts db that is SQ Light |
| 21:08.15 | Jacob_Kerr | or lite LOL.. |
| 21:08.37 | mgeary | why on earth would they use sqlite? weird |
| 21:08.41 | wps | fixed, Jacob_Kerr |
| 21:09.18 | Jacob_Kerr | I know. |
| 21:10.24 | Jacob_Kerr | Oh cool :) |
| 21:11.26 | wps | here's one for your, mgeary: |
| 21:13.57 | macnewbold | ~greet Jacob_Kerr |
| 21:13.57 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on Jacob_Kerr |
| 21:14.19 | wps | has anyone noticed that mgeary always listens to four-star music? |
| 21:14.26 | wps | I only listen to five star music :) |
| 21:14.36 | mgeary | well here's one to blow your theory: |
| 21:14.44 | Jacob_Kerr | How's it going Mac? |
| 21:14.56 | macnewbold | good, and you? |
| 21:15.00 | Jacob_Kerr | OK.. |
| 21:15.01 | macnewbold | ready for the holiday weekend? |
| 21:15.11 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah. |
| 21:15.20 | Jacob_Kerr | I just get tom. off that's it LOL.. |
| 21:15.35 | macnewbold | apparently all of our guys are taking off at 3pm today. We get friday off too. |
| 21:15.48 | Jacob_Kerr | I can meet some other time if u like. |
| 21:15.51 | macnewbold | anyway, if you wanted to reschedule, our feelings wouldn't be hurt |
| 21:16.02 | macnewbold | if it's no trouble, we would probably like that |
| 21:16.04 | Jacob_Kerr | I do not mind at all.. |
| 21:16.23 | Jacob_Kerr | I have allot to do to get rdy for tom. anyway. |
| 21:16.24 | macnewbold | we're in no huge rush at this point, but we don't want you to feel like it keeps getting delayed more and more |
| 21:16.27 | macnewbold | perfect |
| 21:17.06 | Jacob_Kerr | One question.. |
| 21:17.11 | wps | here's a good one: |
| 21:17.40 | Jacob_Kerr | Are you guys thinking about hiring my for full time SEO becuase I do not know if I want to do full time SEO anymore. |
| 21:17.51 | Jacob_Kerr | I am more interested in programming now... |
| 21:18.20 | Jacob_Kerr | I can do a mix but would like more then anything to dive into more programming :) |
| 21:18.58 | synic | programming++ |
| 21:23.18 | Jacob_Kerr | Hey AJAX is pretty much the use of JavaScript and a server side language right? You just send a query to a .php page or .asp whatever floats your boat and then you have that page send a query back right? |
| 21:24.39 | Jacob_Kerr | send data via XMLHttpRequest .. |
| 21:25.01 | PoeticIntensity | basically, yes. |
| 21:25.45 | Jacob_Kerr | I saw some code not to long ago and it did not look to hard.. |
| 21:25.58 | Jacob_Kerr | I guess it depends on what you're building. |
| 21:28.49 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 21:31.53 | macnewbold | Jacob_Kerr: no, we don't need full time seo, but having an expert in house will be very helpful sometimes |
| 21:31.54 | Jacob_Kerr | I found the code for dealing with a sqlite DB and it takes standard SQL queries and some how sends back a result.. |
| 21:32.11 | macnewbold | I'd anticipate maybe 80-90% programming 10-20% seo |
| 21:32.15 | Jacob_Kerr | K, that would work perfect then.. |
| 21:32.19 | macnewbold | and if you don't want to do SEO, we'll figure out somethign else |
| 21:32.55 | macnewbold | and on the ajax thing, xajax or sajax can be really helpful for managing some of the details |
| 21:33.04 | PoeticIntensity | I've heard macnewbold is a great person to work for.... |
| 21:33.16 | macnewbold | I haven't tried their latest versions, which seem to be a lot more complicated, but xajax is awesome imho |
| 21:33.19 | PoeticIntensity | and if he performs his CEO duties anything like he drives out on the salt flats..... |
| 21:33.33 | PoeticIntensity | You can count on nothing but good times! |
| 21:33.36 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 21:33.41 | macnewbold | :) PoeticIntensity has yet to try working here with us yet, but thank you Jason |
| 21:33.47 | Jacob_Kerr | Yeah that's on my list of a million things to learn.. |
| 21:34.05 | macnewbold | we do have in-house ping-pong, foosball, and air hockey, with plans for a pool table, |
| 21:34.14 | PoeticIntensity | sweeeeet! |
| 21:34.15 | macnewbold | and we've got some awesome paintballers too |
| 21:34.29 | Jacob_Kerr | Cool. |
| 21:34.32 | macnewbold | not to mention a concierge, masseuse, and glass blower |
| 21:34.39 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL.. |
| 21:35.18 | PoeticIntensity | that was pretty awesome, man.... |
| 21:36.11 | macnewbold | and fun too |
| 21:36.33 | macnewbold | I've been telling some of our guys that we need to go out there again |
| 21:36.47 | PoeticIntensity | if you do, and you don't tell me, I'll burn your house to the ground. |
| 21:36.56 | macnewbold | our team lead drives a convertible mitsubishi eclipse spider, and I'd love to race him :) |
| 21:37.05 | macnewbold | definitely |
| 21:37.08 | PoeticIntensity | I think you'd spank him.... |
| 21:37.11 | PoeticIntensity | unless he's modded it. |
| 21:37.12 | macnewbold | I hope so too |
| 21:37.19 | macnewbold | no, not modded |
| 21:37.24 | PoeticIntensity | Jacob's co-worker (Jordan) drives a modded Civic... |
| 21:37.31 | macnewbold | ah |
| 21:37.41 | PoeticIntensity | he'd be fun to race as well. |
| 21:37.41 | influx^^_ | http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/11/21/18462572.php |
| 21:39.54 | PoeticIntensity | I just finished writing some nasty code.... |
| 21:40.06 | PoeticIntensity | I think I'm gonna play some Desktop Tower Defense. :) |
| 21:40.49 | fungus | mgeary: SQLite isn't a bad thing. It's great for small -> medium sites, especially with mostly reads. |
| 21:41.01 | mgeary | i don't have a prob with it |
| 21:41.07 | mgeary | but i've only used it in client scenarios |
| 21:41.14 | mgeary | it's not designed for muti-user access |
| 21:41.16 | mgeary | no? |
| 21:41.30 | mgeary | it's great for embedded/standalone apps |
| 21:41.32 | fungus | It can' handle multi-user access, |
| 21:41.41 | mgeary | with writes? |
| 21:41.46 | fungus | just not tons of writes because the whole DB has to be locked |
| 21:41.50 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:42.17 | fungus | But the locks are for fractions of a second, so it won't matter for most sites. |
| 21:43.28 | mgeary | probably true |
| 21:43.31 | fungus | http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q5 |
| 21:43.51 | mgeary | but where it's so easy to use mysql/pgsql, i wouldn't build any web app on sqlite |
| 21:44.03 | mgeary | again, which is not to say that i don't use sqlite |
| 21:44.37 | fungus | sqlite removes the need for maintaining a db server. |
| 21:44.51 | fungus | Very handy for most people |
| 21:45.13 | mgeary | maybe so |
| 22:14.01 | Jacob_Kerr | if it has a .db extension does that meen it's sqlite? |
| 22:14.39 | mgeary | not necessarily |
| 22:14.56 | mgeary | that's a pretty generic extension |
| 22:15.42 | Jacob_Kerr | Hmmm I can not open the files via sqlite_open and it's supose to be sqlite... |
| 22:17.25 | Jacob_Kerr | maybe i should dl the files and find out what type of db it is by opening in notepad? |
| 22:17.36 | mgeary | sure |
| 22:17.55 | Jacob_Kerr | I see one or two gdb files.. |
| 22:23.20 | mgeary | ~gobble |
| 22:23.21 | jbot | ACTION gobble-gobbles |
| 22:23.22 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 22:33.05 | mindjuju | ~APB influx^^_ -- PM sent |
| 22:33.05 | jbot | ACTION calls Beth to find influx^^_ -- PM sent |
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| 22:48.00 | influx^^_ | Sorry. |
| 22:48.12 | influx^^_ | Was away. |
| 22:49.13 | mindjuju | howdy , influx^^_ |
| 22:49.18 | mindjuju | did you see IM |
| 22:49.44 | influx^^_ | Yes. |
| 22:49.46 | influx^^_ | I replied. |
| 22:50.27 | mindjuju | influx^^_ - didn't get IM back |
| 22:50.34 | influx^^_ | Weird. |
| 22:50.40 | influx^^_ | Wait. IM or PM? |
| 22:50.44 | mindjuju | PM |
| 22:51.09 | influx^^_ | Then irssi is borked on my end or something. |
| 22:51.46 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v influx^^] by ChanServ |
| 22:51.56 | influx^^ | 15:45 <influx^^_> I did do all the designs. |
| 22:51.56 | influx^^ | 15:46 <influx^^_> Hmm... |
| 22:51.56 | influx^^ | 15:47 <influx^^_> I think Sandy is about as far south as I could go. |
| 22:51.57 | influx^^ | 15:47 <influx^^_> Or further, as long as I can catch a bus/train back if I need to. |
| 22:52.01 | influx^^ | Sorry for the paste blob. |
| 22:54.47 | mindjuju | influx^^ PM sent |
| 22:57.08 | herlo | influx^^: you aren't identified probably |
| 22:57.39 | mindjuju | he should be now, he logged in like 5 min ago |
| 22:57.46 | mindjuju | i think he stepped away for a moment |
| 22:57.52 | mindjuju | man, i'm hungry |
| 22:58.30 | influx^^ | k |
| 22:58.37 | influx^^ | i forgot i can't pm people if i'm not ident'd |
| 23:15.56 | Jacob_Kerr | \msg |
| 23:16.04 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 23:26.24 | *** part/#uphpu pelaofeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 23:36.10 | mindjuju | Chemical.... hmmm... Chemical |
| 23:36.32 | herlo | mindjuju: do you have the raw audio or ogg versions of the recordings you did? |
| 23:36.41 | fungus | sweet |
| 23:36.48 | mindjuju | oh hey, you pinged me |
| 23:36.52 | herlo | mindjuju: yup |
| 23:36.53 | mindjuju | herlo - pong |
| 23:36.55 | mindjuju | and yes |
| 23:36.59 | herlo | mindjuju: that's why though... |
| 23:37.01 | orsonj | Someone I know tried using this: http://www.evrsoft.com/fastsubmit/ |
| 23:37.05 | herlo | mindjuju: can I get them somewhere? |
| 23:37.11 | orsonj | Anyone think it is likely to get them blacklisted. |
| 23:37.52 | herlo | orsonj: there are hundreds of those kind of sites. Most people know that sort of thing doesn't really work anymore |
| 23:38.10 | mindjuju | orsonj , depends on if it just throws the site on a request to be indexed by the individual search engines, or if it just writes the link to a link farm page |
| 23:38.20 | herlo | I mean, its possible that it'll help some, but there are so many things like that... |
| 23:42.01 | herlo | mindjuju: can I get the ogg or raw somewhere? |
| 23:47.25 | Jacob_Kerr | PHP 4 does not have methods for working with sqlite DBs hu? |
| 23:53.05 | cycokilr | http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/farell20040824.php3 |
| 23:55.38 | Jacob_Kerr | I know but that's funny since this article uses PHP5 methods.. |
| 23:55.50 | Jacob_Kerr | I already tried that one :) |
| 23:57.28 | Jacob_Kerr | LOL frustration. I just need to get Rack Space to upgrade.. |
| 23:58.14 | Jacob_Kerr | additional .ini files parsed: /etc/php.d/sqlite.ini |
| 23:58.31 | Jacob_Kerr | Does that meen I should be able to run some sqlite methods? |
| 23:59.15 | cycokilr | does sqlite support show up with phpinfo()? |
| 23:59.38 | Jacob_Kerr | Yes |
| 23:59.54 | Jacob_Kerr | SQLite Library: 2.8.17 |