| 00:08.33 | bradym | looks like the spammers have finally realized that it's not halloween season anymore.. today's the first day in awhile i haven't gotten halloween related spam |
| 00:10.46 | timinator | I'm out ladies, catch ya on the flip side.... |
| 00:18.39 | Utah_Dave | later everyone |
| 00:25.43 | influx^^ | w/ 7 |
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| 01:48.58 | JacobKerr | Paris: What Would You Do . Very good song.. |
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| 06:32.17 | mindjuju | ~stressed |
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| 15:55.42 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:57.03 | orsonj | morning |
| 15:58.07 | Utah_Dave | morning |
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| 16:29.16 | PoeticIntensity | mornin' all. |
| 16:29.26 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... thebigdog - remember that query I was runnin' yesterday? |
| 16:29.54 | PoeticIntensity | it finished. Here's the total time it took... |
| 16:29.56 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:30.05 | PoeticIntensity | 1807599 row(s) affected. |
| 16:30.05 | PoeticIntensity | Total runtime: 18,092,441.179 ms |
| 16:30.05 | PoeticIntensity | SQL executed. |
| 16:34.02 | PoeticIntensity | 5.02 hours. |
| 16:34.24 | Utah_Dave | yup |
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| 16:36.46 | brasto | Utah_Dave: ms == microseconds? |
| 16:37.02 | brasto | er... PoeticIntensity? |
| 16:37.39 | brasto | or... is it megaseconds... |
| 16:38.02 | Utah_Dave | brasto: yeah, microseconds |
| 16:38.17 | Utah_Dave | 18,092,441.179/1000/60/60 |
| 16:38.18 | brasto | that's what I figured |
| 16:38.39 | Utah_Dave | =5.025678105 hours |
| 16:39.09 | PoeticIntensity | which, for *one* query, is IN-SANE. |
| 16:39.14 | PoeticIntensity | but... it's done... |
| 16:39.18 | PoeticIntensity | and it's working. :) |
| 16:40.38 | fungus | It actually milliseconds |
| 16:40.42 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix |
| 16:40.50 | Utah_Dave | oops, yeah, you're right, fungus |
| 16:40.50 | PoeticIntensity | it can't be. |
| 16:41.05 | PoeticIntensity | if it were milliseconds, then the query would have taken 50 hours... |
| 16:41.10 | PoeticIntensity | right? |
| 16:41.18 | PoeticIntensity | 100 milliseconds to 1 second... |
| 16:41.32 | fungus | no 1000 milliseconds to 1 second |
| 16:41.45 | fungus | 1000000 microseconds to 1 second |
| 16:41.49 | PoeticIntensity | bah. |
| 16:42.16 | PoeticIntensity | fungus the great is right yet again... |
| 16:44.34 | brasto | ~congratulate fungus |
| 16:44.34 | jbot | ACTION congratulates fungus on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 16:44.40 | brasto | lol |
| 16:57.43 | mgeary_ | micro = one millionth |
| 17:18.26 | orsonj | µ = micro, m = mili |
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| 17:42.35 | mindjuju | wps, went to omniture yesterday for PLUG meeting, that is an awesome building |
| 17:42.44 | wps | isn't it? |
| 17:42.49 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 17:42.59 | wps | it's so nice to see an employer that understands and appreciates asthetic |
| 17:43.09 | wps | and that environment affects employees productivity and moral |
| 17:43.25 | mindjuju | i love the corporate mentality. work hard play hard |
| 17:43.33 | mindjuju | ebay had it, looks like omniture really has it |
| 17:43.49 | wps | yeah |
| 17:43.52 | wps | they throw huge parties |
| 17:44.08 | mindjuju | yeah, the HR lady came up and talked about Halloween and what a big thing it was |
| 17:44.26 | mindjuju | we prolly had about 50 kids come by my office, she said it was close to 1000 there |
| 18:29.33 | mindjuju | darn you crazy guy in spain who signed me up for SPAM in spanish! I loathe you! |
| 18:30.03 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:31.04 | mindjuju | i keep getting Viagra SPAM in spanish, oh and this school that wants to teach me English. I already know english!!! |
| 18:31.32 | unum | I wonder if people sign people here up for spam just to annoy us |
| 18:31.46 | unum | of course our email addresses are on our website |
| 18:32.29 | unum | the email address that I get the most spam to isn't on our main site and shouldn't be linked from anywhere |
| 18:32.38 | unum | but we use it to bulk email people |
| 18:32.44 | unum | I wonder if they sign us up for spam |
| 18:33.05 | mindjuju | probably, but this dude actually thought his email was mine. and apparently gave it to everybody including his wife. i know this because his grandma sent him pictures of another grandchild, which i received |
| 18:33.18 | mindjuju | then his wife posted an email saying she forgave him for his having an affair with another woman |
| 18:33.26 | influx^^ | hahaha |
| 18:33.29 | mindjuju | which i accidentally posted here in the IRC |
| 18:33.30 | influx^^ | self-owned |
| 18:33.51 | mindjuju | so her apology is scattered to the internet and makes me feel like a jerk everytime i think about it |
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| 18:38.51 | PoeticIntensity | so....... |
| 18:39.00 | PoeticIntensity | who's all going to the meeting tonight? |
| 18:39.03 | PoeticIntensity | (is it tonight?) |
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| 18:40.35 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... calendar on UPHPU says it is.. |
| 18:40.47 | PoeticIntensity | maybe change the IRC topic to "today" instead of "Thursday"...? |
| 18:43.04 | *** topic/#UPHPU by Utah_Dave -> Meeting Tonight @7p - RIA with PHP, REST and ExtJS | Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org |
| 18:48.58 | timinator | this is rocking: |
| 18:48.58 | mindjuju | sorry, was talking to tonight's sponsor |
| 18:49.11 | mindjuju | yup, meeting tonight, it'll be simulcast |
| 18:50.13 | mindjuju | you can pick it up on ours or UTOS streaming server |
| 18:54.41 | timinator | I'll have to catch the simulcast |
| 18:54.49 | timinator | what are the details, mindjuju |
| 18:55.09 | Utah_Dave | me too |
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| 19:01.24 | timinator | anyone here upgraded to Mac OS 10.4.11? |
| 19:07.14 | thebigdog | heavens no |
| 19:09.34 | unum | upgrade? from debian? no I think you meant downgrade |
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| 19:56.43 | PoeticIntensity | heh heh |
| 20:09.37 | thebigdog | what a day...what a day |
| 20:09.52 | mindjuju | dude, you're tellin' me |
| 20:10.10 | thebigdog | atleast i will have some pie later today |
| 20:10.11 | mindjuju | it's nuts on this side |
| 20:10.30 | mindjuju | all i have over here is ice cold IBC |
| 20:10.40 | thebigdog | oh that sounds pretty good |
| 20:10.52 | thebigdog | i have a fountain coke machine that is nice |
| 20:10.56 | mindjuju | yeah, at least 2 bottles in the garbage can |
| 20:11.04 | mindjuju | yup, that is nice |
| 20:11.08 | thebigdog | however, i have been drinking a ton of mate lately...trying to cut back some |
| 20:11.36 | mindjuju | mate? isn't that the postum kinda drink or something from Latin America |
| 20:11.44 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:11.45 | mindjuju | you sip it in a spoon type thing |
| 20:12.05 | thebigdog | i drink the kind that is in a tea bag |
| 20:12.15 | thebigdog | so you dont need the spoon/straw |
| 20:12.20 | mindjuju | oh |
| 20:12.30 | mindjuju | yeah, the spoonStraw is pretty cool |
| 20:12.31 | thebigdog | it is ok none the less |
| 20:12.56 | thebigdog | yah it is a bombilla |
| 20:12.59 | thebigdog | is the name |
| 20:13.00 | mindjuju | first the spoonStraw, then the spork, what will they think of next? |
| 20:13.33 | mindjuju | skife - spoon with cutting edge on one side? |
| 20:14.05 | thebigdog | yeah or just use a fork |
| 20:14.08 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:16.11 | influx^^ | That's barbaric. |
| 20:16.25 | mindjuju | what's barbaric? |
| 20:16.32 | influx^^ | Using a fork to cut food. |
| 20:17.15 | mgeary_ | timinator: did you mean OS 10.5? |
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| 20:17.26 | timinator | nope |
| 20:17.29 | timinator | 10.4.11 |
| 20:17.39 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:17.45 | mgeary | i believe i was on 4.11 for a while |
| 20:17.51 | mgeary | on 10.5 now |
| 20:19.19 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: ping |
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| 20:19.40 | orsonj | how long was I gone? |
| 20:20.03 | PoeticIntensity | yo, herlo . |
| 20:20.07 | timinator | I need a cool name for a project I'm working on |
| 20:20.18 | PoeticIntensity | ~wash herlo |
| 20:20.18 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on herlo and says "That was for the smell" |
| 20:20.48 | timinator | there's a sales company.... that will remain nameless because this conversation is archived |
| 20:21.15 | timinator | but their distributors are using a dos inventory/order entry system |
| 20:21.25 | influx^^ | Disk Operating System? |
| 20:21.28 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: why are you washing me |
| 20:21.34 | timinator | I'm working on a web based solution |
| 20:21.44 | timinator | yes, DOS |
| 20:21.48 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, because you pinged me. |
| 20:21.52 | timinator | green screen |
| 20:21.53 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: I'm looking to put about 1minute of audio in front of some podcasts |
| 20:21.56 | influx^^ | Wow. |
| 20:21.57 | timinator | whole 9 yeards |
| 20:22.01 | timinator | *yards |
| 20:22.08 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, audacity. |
| 20:22.13 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: yup |
| 20:22.22 | PoeticIntensity | definitely the best tool for the job. |
| 20:22.22 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: that's not the question :) |
| 20:22.25 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 20:22.57 | herlo | I'm looking for someone to record about 1minute of music for me that would be either public domain or by-sa creative commons licensed. Know any good places I could look? |
| 20:23.02 | herlo | Or are you interested? |
| 20:23.03 | timinator | my package includes Order Entry, Inventory Tracking, and possibly Accounting |
| 20:23.11 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I'd love to. |
| 20:23.21 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: let me post the track I'm currently using... |
| 20:23.55 | PoeticIntensity | ok |
| 20:23.55 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: we need to meet up so you can show me sometime. You coming to UPHPU tonight? |
| 20:23.55 | PoeticIntensity | yup |
| 20:23.59 | timinator | I've been thinking on it for months, and can't think of anything worthwhile.... any thoughts?? |
| 20:24.01 | PoeticIntensity | I'll be there, *and* most likely the Applebees afterward. |
| 20:24.25 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: applebees only for me |
| 20:24.27 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: cool! |
| 20:24.36 | PoeticIntensity | oki doke. |
| 20:24.42 | PoeticIntensity | we'll have to chat. |
| 20:25.04 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: sweet! |
| 20:25.10 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 20:25.14 | PoeticIntensity | it'll be good to meet ya. |
| 20:25.59 | herlo | For sure! |
| 20:26.08 | thebigdog | the more and more i use pgsql the more and more i realize how much i love it |
| 20:26.44 | herlo | thebigdog: you need to do a presentation on it at DBUG |
| 20:26.46 | influx^^ | applebees where? |
| 20:26.51 | herlo | or whatever brasto is calling it |
| 20:26.54 | herlo | influx^^: Draper |
| 20:26.54 | thebigdog | i would like that |
| 20:27.03 | influx^^ | aw shucks |
| 20:27.05 | influx^^ | ok |
| 20:27.07 | herlo | thebigdog: brasto isn't here right now, please leave a message |
| 20:27.12 | herlo | influx^^: why? |
| 20:27.28 | influx^^ | I was thinking it might be the one at the gateway. |
| 20:27.50 | PoeticIntensity | yo, herlo, do you have an IRC channel for your group? |
| 20:27.53 | herlo | s/slq/sql/g |
| 20:27.57 | thebigdog | today i am writing tons of update sql scripts |
| 20:27.57 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: #utos |
| 20:28.21 | thebigdog | which is tedious, however its nice to learn how to modify tables and move data around based on changes |
| 20:28.51 | herlo | thebigdog: I'm still a bit lost as ot granting right and things in pgsql... |
| 20:29.04 | thebigdog | that is kinda difficult |
| 20:29.14 | thebigdog | im the only one here that is allowed to do that on our dbs |
| 20:29.29 | thebigdog | you can do some killer stuff with it |
| 20:29.36 | thebigdog | and i love pgsql schemas |
| 20:29.42 | thebigdog | i wish you could cross schemas though |
| 20:29.46 | thebigdog | that is a drawback |
| 20:30.40 | thebigdog | i still think back to a project wps and I had that we used pgsql |
| 20:30.54 | thebigdog | we integrated jabber into the application for online chatting |
| 20:31.09 | thebigdog | i hooked the user registration into the jabber db schema with triggers |
| 20:31.20 | thebigdog | so if a user was created their jabber user was also created |
| 20:31.26 | thebigdog | same with edit/remove |
| 20:31.29 | thebigdog | pretty slick |
| 20:32.11 | PoeticIntensity | I'd love to learn the theory / concept / examples behind triggers and more advanced stuff. |
| 20:32.27 | thebigdog | you can do some pretty cool stuff with pgsql |
| 20:32.27 | PoeticIntensity | I know what they *can* be used for, but I've never actually set one up, nor understand the advantages of them. |
| 20:32.31 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt. |
| 20:32.33 | thebigdog | and the postgis stuff rocks |
| 20:32.43 | PoeticIntensity | lovin' it so far, though. |
| 20:32.45 | herlo | thebigdog: come and teach it! |
| 20:32.52 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, the big reason |
| 20:32.53 | herlo | thebigdog: I want to know more! |
| 20:33.07 | thebigdog | is that you are in a transaction and connection |
| 20:33.19 | thebigdog | so making addition queries does not require a new connection |
| 20:33.24 | thebigdog | speed |
| 20:33.27 | PoeticIntensity | makes sense. |
| 20:33.37 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, do you have a channel for the utdb group? |
| 20:33.44 | PoeticIntensity | er.. utodb? |
| 20:33.48 | thebigdog | and you can write custom everything too |
| 20:33.49 | PoeticIntensity | the db one? |
| 20:33.50 | PoeticIntensity | heh. |
| 20:33.52 | thebigdog | with different langs |
| 20:33.52 | wps | anything thebigdog and wps do is slick |
| 20:33.58 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:34.02 | thebigdog | ^5 wps |
| 20:34.10 | wps | ^5 |
| 20:34.13 | thebigdog | there is a php lang for plpgsql too |
| 20:34.17 | thebigdog | never used it |
| 20:34.23 | thebigdog | the python one is nice |
| 20:34.26 | PoeticIntensity | :-T |
| 20:34.30 | thebigdog | and of course the c one rocks |
| 20:34.47 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: that's not my group |
| 20:34.53 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: utdb |
| 20:34.55 | PoeticIntensity | oh? I thought it was... |
| 20:35.03 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: its brasto's |
| 20:35.04 | mgeary | new topic: rear-wheel drive is a very bad idea in Utah. discuss. |
| 20:35.07 | herlo | I'm just helping... |
| 20:35.15 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, we also use triggers to do additional work |
| 20:35.33 | thebigdog | so we pass the data into the stored procedure and then hit many tables with 1 call |
| 20:35.48 | PoeticIntensity | so the stored proc uses "1" connection? |
| 20:35.49 | thebigdog | kinda like a materialized view |
| 20:35.57 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:36.09 | thebigdog | even though you might be doing many queries |
| 20:36.12 | thebigdog | inside it |
| 20:36.13 | PoeticIntensity | so.... it's like a custom program able to do anything with any tables... |
| 20:36.20 | PoeticIntensity | I like it. |
| 20:36.28 | thebigdog | its a function inside the database |
| 20:36.42 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 20:36.46 | thebigdog | that allows you access to the database |
| 20:36.48 | PoeticIntensity | I understand the basic concept / idea... |
| 20:37.10 | PoeticIntensity | just haven't ever done it or saw the immediate need. |
| 20:37.13 | thebigdog | for example i use alot of functions in queries that return results |
| 20:37.21 | PoeticIntensity | the whole "1 connection" thing brings it together quite nicely, though. |
| 20:37.24 | thebigdog | so i dont have to do nasty joins |
| 20:37.43 | thebigdog | so lets say i need to do 4 queries |
| 20:37.55 | thebigdog | i can create a sp and pass all the data in |
| 20:38.04 | thebigdog | have the sp do all 4 queries with the data |
| 20:38.19 | thebigdog | and dont forget you can do logic control too |
| 20:38.33 | thebigdog | so you can do something like this |
| 20:38.47 | thebigdog | create a function called: updateSave(object); |
| 20:39.00 | thebigdog | which contains data and table ddl info |
| 20:39.18 | thebigdog | then in your sp you can determine if you need to update or create a new one |
| 20:39.19 | herlo | though he gets the concept |
| 20:39.22 | thebigdog | that is really nice |
| 20:39.29 | thebigdog | oracle has 1 by default |
| 20:39.56 | thebigdog | or something like updateSaveUser(userData); |
| 20:40.13 | thebigdog | so you dont have to determine if you need an insert or update statement |
| 20:40.17 | thebigdog | the sp will do it for ya |
| 20:40.33 | thebigdog | granted you have 2 queries though |
| 20:40.38 | thebigdog | but it is still nice |
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| 20:42.20 | thebigdog | some other cools things are transaction isolations and rollback features in sp |
| 20:42.30 | thebigdog | you can catch things and then do recovery on it |
| 20:43.34 | PoeticIntensity | niiiice. |
| 20:44.28 | thebigdog | taking the update/insert approach you could do that |
| 20:44.37 | thebigdog | always insert...if insert fails then do an update |
| 20:46.22 | thebigdog | wps and i used them for our application messaging system too |
| 20:46.28 | thebigdog | which pretty cool as well |
| 20:47.15 | thebigdog | so if you wanted to send 1 message to multiple users you used an sp that would loop through the sql statements |
| 20:48.48 | thebigdog | its not too hard |
| 20:48.57 | thebigdog | just cutting your teeth can be a little difficult |
| 20:49.16 | thebigdog | with oracle you can do some really killer stuff too |
| 20:49.52 | thebigdog | i wouldnt mind doing a pgsql advanced topics presentation |
| 20:50.03 | thebigdog | on triggers, stored procedures, domains and other things |
| 20:51.29 | thebigdog | domains are awesome to use in pgsql |
| 20:53.04 | thebigdog | another cool thing in pgsql is support for arrays |
| 20:53.08 | thebigdog | in ddl |
| 20:54.32 | thebigdog | enough of my rants of love |
| 20:56.21 | timinator | thebigdog: you should present |
| 20:56.31 | timinator | I'm betting there's a ton of interest in this group |
| 20:56.41 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:56.53 | thebigdog | it would be good to help everyone out with the topic |
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| 20:57.02 | thebigdog | i know there are many users that would enjoy it |
| 20:57.11 | thebigdog | i thought i did one before |
| 20:57.30 | thebigdog | i think my fav presentation was with dataw0lf |
| 20:57.34 | thebigdog | we did that joint venture |
| 20:57.47 | timinator | should've recorded it.... I'll take an mp3 anyday |
| 20:58.24 | thebigdog | that was a couple years back if i recall |
| 20:58.36 | thebigdog | wps did i not do a presentation on pgsql |
| 20:59.57 | herlo | thebigdog: we'll record this one :) |
| 21:00.06 | thebigdog | oh yeah for sure |
| 21:00.21 | thebigdog | what do we have for january mindjuju ? |
| 21:00.25 | herlo | mindjuju and I are gonna be doing a lot more... |
| 21:00.28 | herlo | :) |
| 21:00.29 | mgeary | can anyone recommend a good place for Name Server hosting? |
| 21:00.35 | herlo | mgeary: bind |
| 21:00.38 | herlo | :) |
| 21:00.41 | mgeary | nope |
| 21:00.46 | herlo | mgeary: on your desktop |
| 21:00.46 | mgeary | don't wanna do it meself |
| 21:00.55 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:01.02 | thebigdog | with your registrar |
| 21:01.05 | herlo | mgeary: most domain registrars will do it |
| 21:01.08 | mgeary | yes |
| 21:01.11 | mgeary | but that's the problem-- |
| 21:01.21 | thebigdog | easydns |
| 21:01.31 | mgeary | i need to offer a name server for domains that i'm not in control of |
| 21:01.42 | thebigdog | what? |
| 21:01.48 | thebigdog | not in control of? |
| 21:02.17 | mgeary | historically, our policy has been: you either point your A/MX/whatever records to us, or you transfer the domain to us. We do not allow people to just point their nameserver to us |
| 21:02.54 | thebigdog | oh |
| 21:03.07 | thebigdog | ~wake mindjuju |
| 21:03.08 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 21:05.09 | wps | thebigdog has presented on: XML, PHP and GTK, Basic Linux network security, troubleshooting and tips, and Eclipse AJAX tools |
| 21:05.21 | thebigdog | oh no database |
| 21:05.31 | thebigdog | the linux and security was with dataw0lf |
| 21:05.38 | wps | thebigdog has presented on: (1) XML, (2) PHP and GTK, (3) Basic Linux network security, troubleshooting and tips, and (4) Eclipse AJAX tools |
| 21:05.40 | thebigdog | those are all old |
| 21:06.55 | thebigdog | we have anyone schedule for january? |
| 21:07.30 | thebigdog | i dont see anyone on there |
| 21:07.36 | thebigdog | perhaps that might be a good month |
| 21:20.33 | mgeary | sorry, back now. so, any good NS hosting options? |
| 21:20.52 | mgeary | thebigdog: you've used easydns? |
| 21:26.31 | mgeary | huh. no way i'm paying $35/year just for DNS services :/ that'd be $7k/year just for DNS |
| 21:26.44 | herlo | mgeary: easydns is free |
| 21:27.01 | mgeary | ah, that's their domain renewal fees, i presume |
| 21:27.01 | herlo | IIRc |
| 21:27.17 | mgeary | http://www.easydns.com/dnsmanage.php3 |
| 21:27.27 | mgeary | well, it appears that for "any domain", it's still $20/year per domain |
| 21:27.30 | mgeary | which is crazy |
| 21:27.48 | herlo | mgeary: I use tosdomains.net, $8.88 IIRC |
| 21:27.51 | herlo | per domain |
| 21:28.05 | fungus | mydomain.com is pretty good for NS hosting |
| 21:28.09 | herlo | so is anyone going to post the meeting on uphpu.org for tonight? |
| 21:28.35 | herlo | fungus: I used to use them, they were pretty good |
| 21:28.35 | fungus | so is xname.org |
| 21:29.03 | herlo | wps: thebigdog... post the meeting on uphpu.org for tonight? |
| 21:29.07 | herlo | mindjuju: ?? |
| 21:29.40 | wps | what do you mean? |
| 21:29.57 | herlo | wps: no post about tonights meeting exists |
| 21:30.10 | herlo | on uphpu.org, though its on the evetns page |
| 21:30.12 | wps | ah |
| 21:30.21 | herlo | it |
| 21:30.29 | herlo | I wondered about that... |
| 21:30.43 | wps | allow me to remedy the situation |
| 21:31.55 | herlo | wps: why thank you... |
| 21:32.30 | wps | done |
| 21:32.41 | herlo | :) |
| 21:38.49 | herlo | mindjuju: what's the irc channel going to be for the meet tonight? |
| 21:38.54 | herlo | does anyone know? |
| 21:39.36 | wps | I assume it will be #uphpu |
| 21:40.32 | herlo | wps: is that were the other ones were? I thought they were in something like #uphpu-meeting |
| 21:40.41 | wps | I don't know |
| 21:40.42 | wps | sorry |
| 21:40.48 | herlo | wps: worth a try, thanks |
| 21:41.13 | herlo | UPHPU and BYU-UUG at the same time tonight |
| 21:46.06 | influx^^ | w/ 7 |
| 21:46.47 | herlo | http://utosf.org if you want to verify anything for me... |
| 21:53.07 | timinator | BRB |
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| 21:57.58 | thebigdog | i will be online tonight for it |
| 21:58.10 | thebigdog | so i can check streams and stuff |
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| 22:03.46 | timinator | I'm back |
| 22:03.52 | timinator | looks like everyone left w/ me |
| 22:03.53 | timinator | :) |
| 22:04.39 | wps_ | remind me… |
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| 22:04.42 | wps_ | what does this do? |
| 22:04.46 | wps_ | =& |
| 22:05.27 | wps_ | $var =& $class->something |
| 22:07.12 | thebigdog | sets $var as a ref to $class->something |
| 22:07.44 | thebigdog | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.references.php |
| 22:08.08 | wps_ | thanks |
| 22:09.58 | thebigdog | np |
| 22:12.12 | mindjuju | ~APB everybody who sent a ping |
| 22:12.13 | jbot | ACTION summons Leland to stake out everybody who sent a ping |
| 22:12.25 | mindjuju | thebigdog and herlo mainly |
| 22:12.47 | thebigdog | ? |
| 22:12.59 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm here |
| 22:13.00 | mindjuju | you sent a ping earlier or tried to wake me |
| 22:13.09 | mindjuju | herlo, you sent a ping earlier |
| 22:13.13 | mindjuju | just replying |
| 22:13.25 | herlo | mindjuju: it was in regards to setting up the audio streaming |
| 22:13.30 | mindjuju | ah, ok |
| 22:13.40 | herlo | mindjuju: didn't know what irc channel you wanted me to put |
| 22:14.05 | thebigdog | i wanted to touch base on presenting in january |
| 22:14.28 | mindjuju | i think #uphpu |
| 22:14.44 | herlo | mindjuju: cool... |
| 22:14.46 | mindjuju | thebigdog, January present would be awesome |
| 22:14.51 | mindjuju | what topic did you have in mind? |
| 22:14.54 | herlo | ~lart thebigdog |
| 22:14.54 | jbot | takes out thebigdog with the trash |
| 22:14.55 | thebigdog | perhaps doing a presentation on php + pgsql + openldap + rss + css + html + sql + domain objects + logical layouts + everything else |
| 22:15.06 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:15.07 | herlo | thebigdog: you crack me up |
| 22:15.22 | thebigdog | php + pgsql (w/ some advanced topics) |
| 22:15.37 | herlo | its thebigdog circus act |
| 22:15.44 | thebigdog | perhaps i can get a nice list going or touch on some of the items mac did in his mysql one |
| 22:15.53 | josephscott2 | we've got postgresql fans here? |
| 22:15.55 | thebigdog | welcome to the show |
| 22:16.01 | thebigdog | definitely |
| 22:16.05 | herlo | josephscott2: for sure |
| 22:16.08 | josephscott2 | nice |
| 22:16.15 | mindjuju | any chance we could get some advanced theory like taking query to the high performance level |
| 22:16.30 | thebigdog | perhaps |
| 22:16.31 | herlo | of pgsql |
| 22:16.40 | herlo | maybe from basics to advanced |
| 22:16.58 | mindjuju | josephscott2 , thebigdog is postgreSQL guru |
| 22:17.01 | josephscott2 | anything ever come of that open source db group that was talked about? |
| 22:17.12 | mindjuju | in fact, i think it's in his factoid |
| 22:17.15 | mindjuju | ~thebigdog |
| 22:17.16 | jbot | from memory, thebigdog is the postgreSQL guru, a GWAR groupie, or secretly loves AOL, or a lover of cursors |
| 22:17.40 | josephscott2 | cool, thebigdog is postgresql part of your job? |
| 22:17.43 | thebigdog | hehe we could talk cursors |
| 22:17.51 | thebigdog | yes a very large part |
| 22:17.53 | thebigdog | and postgis |
| 22:18.00 | josephscott2 | sweet, where do you work? |
| 22:18.05 | thebigdog | sabioso |
| 22:19.05 | thebigdog | mindjuju, what high performance level are you thinking |
| 22:19.31 | mindjuju | you decide, i was just thinking some meat would be good |
| 22:20.56 | josephscott2 | good to see postgresql getting some use out there. it can be tough living in a mysql world :-) |
| 22:20.56 | thebigdog | very tough |
| 22:20.56 | brasto | josephscott2: I each meeting time I was going to schedule for the first meeting didn't turn out well. |
| 22:20.56 | thebigdog | i have used it for years now |
| 22:21.02 | thebigdog | back in the 6.0 versions |
| 22:21.08 | brasto | I'll be planning a meeting, but not next week ;) |
| 22:21.33 | josephscott2 | oh yeah, things have gotten a lot better since the 6.0 days |
| 22:21.36 | thebigdog | i started using it back in 2000 |
| 22:21.39 | herlo | brasto: its for January |
| 22:21.47 | thebigdog | oh wait...1998 actually |
| 22:21.53 | thebigdog | in college i started using it |
| 22:22.05 | thebigdog | cause i did nto want to install oracle |
| 22:22.32 | josephscott2 | Berkeley? |
| 22:22.51 | brasto | herlo, you think I should hold off on the first udbug meeting until January? |
| 22:23.06 | herlo | brasto: no |
| 22:23.18 | herlo | brasto: I was saying that thebigdog could be your first meeting though... |
| 22:23.19 | PoeticIntensity | I hope it's in a local area to me... |
| 22:23.36 | thebigdog | yeah i could do that |
| 22:23.45 | thebigdog | but the earliest would be jan |
| 22:23.51 | herlo | brasto: not sure when you could have the meet |
| 22:23.58 | thebigdog | december is too hectic |
| 22:24.03 | herlo | brasto: were you planning something earlier? |
| 22:24.10 | josephscott2 | I'll do my best to be at an open source db meeting. I'll be gone the week of the 20th in Jan. not that that should be a determining factor :-) |
| 22:24.54 | josephscott2 | http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/ |
| 22:24.55 | brasto | thebigdog, herlo, josephscott2, and all, might the last week of November work? Say, Thursday? |
| 22:25.13 | thebigdog | that is thanksgiving |
| 22:25.21 | thebigdog | oh the 29th |
| 22:25.22 | josephscott2 | the 29th is the last thursday |
| 22:25.37 | brasto | I thought I might present on database design, but I'm game for a team presentation. |
| 22:25.39 | josephscott2 | I show the CTO breakfast and a blogger dinner |
| 22:25.51 | josephscott2 | on the 29th |
| 22:26.33 | josephscott2 | could do the 27th |
| 22:26.51 | josephscott2 | is there a potential location? |
| 22:27.04 | brasto | I'm also fine if thebigdog would like to do a presentation on pgsql, but since it's a general db group, I'd suggest including things that it has in commone with other dbs and things that separate it from others. |
| 22:27.13 | herlo | josephscott2: blogger dinner? |
| 22:27.24 | brasto | location will be Linux Networx - now LNXI |
| 22:27.39 | josephscott2 | bloggers sit around and chat over dinner |
| 22:27.47 | herlo | josephscott2: I get that, where? |
| 22:27.48 | brasto | will herlo be in town on the 27th? |
| 22:27.49 | thebigdog | i would be game for that |
| 22:27.52 | herlo | brasto: no |
| 22:27.56 | thebigdog | or a joint ventuer with uphpu |
| 22:27.59 | herlo | brasto: i'm gone that entire week |
| 22:28.33 | josephscott2 | herlo: haha, well, I'm not sure. Usually that gets pinned down closer to the actual date. Usually in the Sandy/Draper area |
| 22:28.34 | brasto | the only week in December I'd want to try is the first week, though I'd do the second if people are still around. |
| 22:28.46 | herlo | josephscott2: I'd like to come and talk with them at some point... |
| 22:28.51 | herlo | josephscott2: is there a site? |
| 22:28.56 | herlo | website |
| 22:29.02 | brasto | PoeticIntensity: does Linux Networx work for you for a location? |
| 22:29.05 | josephscott2 | not that I've seen, pretty informal |
| 22:29.12 | PoeticIntensity | brasto, absolutely. |
| 22:29.16 | PoeticIntensity | point of the mountain-ish? |
| 22:29.18 | herlo | josephscott2: how do you find out about them? |
| 22:29.21 | brasto | PoeticIntensity: yep |
| 22:29.31 | brasto | right by the prison |
| 22:30.03 | brasto | ~pie thebigdog |
| 22:30.03 | jbot | ACTION hits thebigdog in the face with a cream pie |
| 22:30.50 | herlo | ~buy anotherpie brasto |
| 22:30.51 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen brastos for anotherpie |
| 22:30.52 | josephscott2 | herlo: Laura Moncur has an email list for the blogger dinner and stuff : http://laura.moncur.org/ |
| 22:31.01 | herlo | ~buy brasto another pie |
| 22:31.02 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen another pies for brasto |
| 22:31.15 | herlo | josephscott2: tx |
| 22:31.58 | brasto | ~pie thebigdog again |
| 22:31.59 | jbot | ACTION hits thebigdog again in the face with a cream pie |
| 22:32.12 | josephscott2 | Bluffdale, UT, cool, not far from me |
| 22:32.45 | mindjuju | bambi meets godzilla, why haven't i heard of this before? |
| 22:33.49 | herlo | josephscott2: not seeing any sort of email list |
| 22:33.59 | brasto | thebigdog, herlo, josephscott2, PoeticIntensity, etc: might the first or second week of December work? |
| 22:34.18 | herlo | brasto: maybe, I'll know my schedule next week prbly |
| 22:34.42 | josephscott2 | herlo: ask her about it: http://laura.moncur.org/mail/ I handed her a card at one of the dinners and have been on the list ever since |
| 22:35.15 | josephscott2 | brasto: first week works for me I think |
| 22:35.33 | josephscott2 | maybe even the second if it is one the 13th |
| 22:36.01 | brasto | if in the second week, I'd probably go with the 13th |
| 22:36.18 | brasto | uphpu meetings are on third thursday's, right mindjuju? |
| 22:36.25 | mindjuju | 10-4 |
| 22:36.30 | herlo | josephscott2: will do, tx |
| 22:36.42 | PoeticIntensity | brasto, probably. |
| 22:50.30 | mindjuju | Santa not allowed to say "ho ho ho" for fear that women may take offense (as in THAT kind of 'ho') - http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071115/wl_asia_afp/lifestyleaustraliachristmasoffbeat |
| 23:03.02 | mindjuju | using a stapler to rob a store? I bet staplers come under gov control soon - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071115/ap_on_fe_st/odd_stapler_bandit |
| 23:12.10 | timinator | those stories are nothing...... |
| 23:12.23 | timinator | Saudi punishes gang rape ***victim*** with 200 lashes |
| 23:12.29 | thebigdog | oh pie was good today |
| 23:12.32 | timinator | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071115145104.rykb7bub&show_article=1 |
| 23:13.01 | timinator | see how peaceful Islam is?!?! |
| 23:15.12 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 23:15.18 | timinator | first, you get raped, then you get 200 lashes for "being in the car of an unrelated male at the time of the rape" |
| 23:17.42 | thebigdog | well 50 to start |
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| 23:20.22 | timinator | fungus: I wouldn't tell too many people that, if I were you |
| 23:20.24 | timinator | *shrug |
| 23:20.40 | brasto | thebigdog: will the first or second Thursday in december work for an udbug meeting? |
| 23:20.59 | fungus | lol |
| 23:21.10 | fungus | hows this? |
| 23:21.26 | mindjuju | hey fungus, or some of you other shell gurus got a question |
| 23:21.56 | timinator | what are the details on the stream of tonight's meeting? |
| 23:21.58 | mindjuju | the meeting tonight is in an area of the building where all ports are on a firewalled subnet, as you may know |
| 23:22.03 | timinator | fungus: ya, that's better |
| 23:22.10 | fungus | lol |
| 23:22.14 | fungus | mindjuju: what's up? |
| 23:22.46 | timinator | :) |
| 23:23.08 | mindjuju | so, if i setup a box with ssh on port 443, they can now ssh over to that box |
| 23:23.15 | mindjuju | can they ssh to another box from my box? |
| 23:23.47 | *** part/#uphpu brasto (n=brasto@out.lnxi.com) |
| 23:23.47 | fungus | Yup |
| 23:24.01 | mindjuju | @ timinator , if you go to 76.8.222.140 you will see a link to the streaming and another link for the IRC |
| 23:24.17 | mindjuju | k |
| 23:24.25 | fungus | is your goal to get past a firewall, by bouncing your ssh through a machine with two NICs? |
| 23:24.26 | timinator | cool |
| 23:24.31 | fungus | If so, that should work. |
| 23:25.03 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec |
| 23:31.54 | timinator | ~lart fungus |
| 23:31.54 | jbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at fungus |
| 23:32.02 | mgeary | fungus: sweet! |
| 23:32.15 | timinator | ~lart mgeary |
| 23:32.15 | jbot | send killer squirrels to attack mgeary |
| 23:32.15 | fungus | Guilty pleasure. :P |
| 23:32.20 | timinator | :) |
| 23:32.35 | mgeary | ~chide timinator for not coming "out" |
| 23:32.43 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:33.01 | mgeary | timinator: speaking of which, can i get my Debbie Gibson CD back from you? |
| 23:33.14 | timinator | ~flip mgeary |
| 23:33.14 | jbot | ACTION gives mgeary the .|.. ..|. |
| 23:33.23 | mgeary | hahahaha |
| 23:33.40 | timinator | :) |
| 23:34.00 | fungus | that means he doesn't want to give it back. |
| 23:35.56 | mgeary | he probably wore it out |
| 23:37.14 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:37.40 | timinator | it's not easy to wear out a CD |
| 23:41.14 | mindjuju | man, "Ruebens with extra Sauer" belches are the nastiest |
| 23:41.52 | mgeary | hahaha. reminds me of a saying from my mission regarding Doners-- |
| 23:41.53 | mgeary | "you can only eat a doner once, but the burps stay with you forever" |
| 23:42.08 | mgeary | see, it's funny because they say that about a mission, you know... really, it's funny.... |
| 23:42.16 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:42.29 | mgeary | ah well |
| 23:42.40 | mgeary | hey, can anyone complete/correct my understanding of DNS. A given lookup has a TTL. As i understand it, workstations generally cache a lookup result for the TTL time, and then will hit the nameserver for the current subnet. Likewise, the nameservers will cache for TTL seconds... do subnet nameservers (Xmission, in my case), then hit the "owning" nameserver directly? or are there generally other layers in there as well? I'm trying to get a feel for the load bei |
| 23:44.31 | timinator | I'm out... if everything works out, I'll see ya all tonight on the meeting's stream/chat |
| 23:45.44 | mindjuju | mgeary, not sure, but know that fungus and herlo prolly do |
| 23:51.30 | fungus | Almost all ISP's do regular recursive lookups |
| 23:51.47 | fungus | Ask the master for the NS references, then ask the owner of the domain |
| 23:51.56 | fungus | but yes, that is how TTLs work |
| 23:52.44 | mgeary | fungus: so is there a rule-of-thumb way to guesstimate the load being a NS places on a machine? |
| 23:54.03 | fungus | It takes a whole lotta NS traffic to cause much load in Bind. |
| 23:54.20 | mgeary | whole lot = millions of requests? |
| 23:54.26 | fungus | or more |
| 23:55.01 | fungus | At Arosnet, we had really crummy hardware for our nameservers and they handled all that recursive crap just fine |
| 23:55.34 | mgeary | i know generally 2 name servers are used. what rules are used to determine when the second entry is used? any way to estimate the relative load of the second NS as compared to the first? |
| 23:55.42 | mgeary | is the 2nd only used if the 1st is unresponsive? |
| 23:56.35 | fungus | The reason for the second is primarily for failover in case of problem. |
| 23:56.40 | fungus | not for load balancing |
| 23:56.57 | mgeary | right. so it would generally receive a *small* fraction of the load of the first, right? |
| 23:57.15 | fungus | right |
| 23:57.21 | mgeary | thanks |
| 23:57.34 | fungus | It always best to have the second nameserver in a different location |
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| 23:58.12 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:58.30 | mgeary | wondering if i could get away with that server being my home offsite back-up machine |
| 23:58.41 | mgeary | (which has a 15MB connection on a static IP) |