| 00:02.54 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you have pics of your little ferrets |
| 00:03.01 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: not yet |
| 00:03.05 | thebigdog | man |
| 00:03.07 | dataw0lf | and the 4 month old is GIGANTIC |
| 00:03.13 | dataw0lf | he's european, apparently. |
| 00:03.13 | thebigdog | get on the ball with that |
| 00:03.25 | dataw0lf | I am, probably tonight when me and my gf give them a bath. |
| 00:03.35 | thebigdog | i want one so it can attack my cats |
| 00:04.01 | dataw0lf | you should see Aldus, my big one, he could attack a cat easily. |
| 00:04.03 | dataw0lf | At 4 months old. |
| 00:04.05 | dataw0lf | Ridiculous. |
| 00:05.59 | thebigdog | hehe that would be so funny to watch |
| 00:06.40 | thebigdog | my son asked me to get a chinchilla |
| 00:07.03 | thebigdog | then i showed him a ferret and he was all excited |
| 00:07.17 | thebigdog | he keep saying dad...they are really long |
| 00:08.07 | dataw0lf | yea, and they do the ferret excited dance |
| 00:08.33 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 00:09.07 | thebigdog | their little war dance is funny too |
| 00:09.50 | mgeary | we had a ferret living in our yard last winter. i figure it was probably someone's escaped pet |
| 00:10.05 | mgeary | it was a beautiful lil' beast. all white |
| 00:10.27 | mgeary | but they're like cats-- kill just for the sake of killing. i don't like that |
| 00:10.52 | thebigdog | they are so playful though |
| 00:10.54 | thebigdog | i love that |
| 00:10.58 | thebigdog | cats are so dull |
| 00:11.48 | thebigdog | i want a skunk so bad |
| 00:11.55 | dataw0lf | mgeary: well. they kill not for the sake of killing, but because of thousands of years of evolution has ingrained that killing instinct in them, yet since they're domesticated, they don't really know what to do with it. |
| 00:11.55 | thebigdog | that would be so killer to have |
| 00:12.10 | mgeary | dataw0lf: sure. but the result is the same ;) |
| 00:12.11 | dataw0lf | except for my parents' cats. |
| 00:12.14 | dataw0lf | they kill and eat |
| 00:12.16 | dataw0lf | everything |
| 00:12.23 | dataw0lf | cleared out a whole family of flying squirrels. |
| 00:13.12 | mgeary | i'm off early today. later folks |
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| 00:13.15 | dataw0lf | bats, too. saw Marla (the oldest and unbelievable strongest cat I've ever met, although she's really old now) take down a crow one time. |
| 00:13.18 | dataw0lf | big crow |
| 00:18.07 | thebigdog | oh man im moving |
| 00:18.34 | dataw0lf | huh? |
| 00:18.45 | thebigdog | i cant have a skunk in utah |
| 00:18.56 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_skunk#Legality |
| 00:19.13 | thebigdog | indiana might be nice |
| 00:19.26 | dataw0lf | don't. move. to. Indiana. |
| 00:19.30 | dataw0lf | Just trust me on that one. |
| 00:19.34 | thebigdog | hehe' |
| 00:19.51 | thebigdog | i want a full legal stripped black and white one |
| 00:20.05 | thebigdog | so when people come over they flip when he comes in the room |
| 00:20.15 | thebigdog | and i run around screaming...who let the skunk in |
| 00:21.21 | thebigdog | i like south dakota |
| 00:21.25 | thebigdog | 1 skunk per person |
| 00:21.31 | thebigdog | i could have a bunch of htem |
| 00:24.19 | dataw0lf | dude, when I lived in Santa Barbara, it was ridiculous. |
| 00:24.40 | dataw0lf | you can't walk around drunk near the ocean, like in Isla Vista or anything, at night, because, seriously, there are about 2 skunks per square foot |
| 00:25.17 | dataw0lf | so it's fairly amusing on a Friday night on Del Playa in Isla Vista, because there are a bunch of drunk people wandering around banging on cans, drums, whatever, to warn skunks away from them. |
| 00:28.49 | thebigdog | hehe that would be hilarious |
| 00:29.05 | dataw0lf | man it's so annoying sometimes though |
| 00:29.08 | dataw0lf | because they are EVERYWHERE |
| 00:38.47 | thebigdog | some of dimebags best work |
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| 00:41.48 | justingiboney | Good evening |
| 00:42.31 | thebigdog | whatz up |
| 00:42.38 | justingiboney | my hair |
| 00:44.50 | justingiboney | a little off topic but has anyone installed/paid for keyless entry systems in a small office? |
| 00:44.59 | fungus | how high? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:723167126_0ce7add8b5_o.jpg |
| 00:45.31 | justingiboney | lol, not that high |
| 00:46.04 | justingiboney | if he bleached his hair he would look like a sunrise |
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| 01:02.29 | PoeticIntensity | chao - all! |
| 01:52.53 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
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| 02:31.25 | JacobKerr | I say **** AUTHORITY! |
| 02:31.41 | JacobKerr | FRUSTRATION! DOMINATION! |
| 02:31.48 | JacobKerr | Anyone know that song? |
| 02:33.22 | JacobKerr | Sorry I'm a little bored working 12 hours shift to make up mist time... :) |
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| 04:00.21 | mindjuju | ~APB herlo |
| 04:00.22 | jbot | ACTION calls Duane Lee to spray mace at herlo |
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| 06:32.03 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
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| 06:42.44 | herlo | ~APB mindjuju |
| 06:42.45 | jbot | ACTION calls Beth to stake out mindjuju |
| 09:20.10 | herlo | woohoo! |
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| 14:53.03 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:27.52 | PoeticIntensity | mornin'. |
| 15:28.56 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, where you presenting? |
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| 15:35.21 | JacobKerr | Hey does anyone know of any good podcasts or vids for anything PHP (security, coding, etc.)? |
| 15:35.51 | JacobKerr | Kind of nice to listen to while working, just hoping someone knew of a good site that has some.. |
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| 15:42.51 | mindjuju | JacobKerr - as a matter of fact, i do, we just posted our audio from our meets the other day |
| 15:43.06 | JacobKerr | nice! |
| 15:43.53 | mindjuju | course, there are only 3 presents thus far |
| 15:44.23 | JacobKerr | where can I find them? |
| 15:44.36 | mindjuju | SVNlogbrowser by tierra (Bryan Petty), PHP and SQL by macnewbold and PHP and SEO by Sheri Bigelow |
| 15:44.56 | mindjuju | i'll get you a link |
| 15:44.57 | PoeticIntensity | on the uphpu.org site |
| 15:45.00 | JacobKerr | thanx |
| 15:45.04 | JacobKerr | oh I c. |
| 15:45.26 | mindjuju | cool, ya'll found them, i knew they were up there somewhere, but forgot |
| 15:45.47 | mindjuju | Did ya'll see this ? http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-062.mspx?pubDate=2007-11-13 |
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| 15:46.20 | mindjuju | send the right packet and confuse the MS DNS server to the point where it points legit traffic to naughty web sites |
| 15:46.26 | mindjuju | oh MS, how i love thee |
| 15:46.37 | JacobKerr | Does aynone know some good software or something that will help me scan my site for hacker activity? |
| 15:46.48 | Utah_Dave | ~woot |
| 15:46.52 | JacobKerr | my log files* |
| 15:46.53 | mindjuju | scan? from which side? |
| 15:47.04 | Utah_Dave | I'm using a mac for the first time! |
| 15:47.10 | JacobKerr | I hate thumbing through log files.. |
| 15:47.32 | Utah_Dave | it's kind of weird getting used to another UI |
| 15:47.33 | PoeticIntensity | heh... mindjuju ... |
| 15:47.38 | mindjuju | Awesome! Utah_Dave! |
| 15:47.49 | mindjuju | i'm going to buy Tiff a MBP if we can afford it |
| 15:47.57 | JacobKerr | log files for an apache server :) |
| 15:48.08 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: cool |
| 15:48.11 | PoeticIntensity | did you hear about the one about the secdrv.sys file in Windows? |
| 15:48.16 | PoeticIntensity | for games from Macrovision? |
| 15:48.33 | Utah_Dave | PoeticIntensity: yeah, I read about that |
| 15:48.35 | Utah_Dave | crazy |
| 15:48.37 | mindjuju | JacobKerr - i don't run an apache server so i'll let some of these guys that do suggest something to rip through logs |
| 15:48.45 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... did you see it, mindjuju ? |
| 15:48.47 | mindjuju | PI, haven't, what up with it? |
| 15:48.54 | JacobKerr | K, thanx |
| 15:48.56 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=personal_entry&eid=3307&user=1 |
| 15:49.02 | PoeticIntensity | read all about it... :) |
| 15:49.20 | JacobKerr | secdrv.sys that files that's easily hacked? |
| 15:49.32 | PoeticIntensity | well... easily is relative, but yes... it's hackable. |
| 15:49.42 | PoeticIntensity | *I* wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to hack it.. |
| 15:50.01 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 15:50.30 | JacobKerr | Well since software is developed for almost every hackable thing then it could be easy? :) |
| 15:50.51 | orsonj | morning all |
| 15:50.51 | PoeticIntensity | I'm sure it's easy for someone. |
| 15:51.01 | PoeticIntensity | mornin', orsonj.. |
| 15:51.38 | JacobKerr | I want to learn to hack so I can secure applications.. |
| 15:51.57 | PoeticIntensity | ain't nothin' wrong with that. |
| 15:52.12 | PoeticIntensity | it'd probably benefit you quite a bit. |
| 15:52.13 | thebigdog | then you need to check out websites that deal with hacking |
| 15:52.26 | thebigdog | you need to be on security mailing lists |
| 15:52.39 | thebigdog | dataw0lf probably could give you some good info |
| 15:52.46 | thebigdog | you need to know the scripts that they use |
| 15:53.01 | thebigdog | bascially you need to become familiar with a couple different langs too |
| 15:53.13 | JacobKerr | I play MOHAAS allot and one of the gamers ran DOS on my computer and had my real name, location etc. |
| 15:54.23 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, your computer already runs dos |
| 15:54.23 | JacobKerr | I remember going to one of Symantecs presentations it was pretty cool.. |
| 15:54.36 | JacobKerr | so then he just tapped into it? |
| 15:54.41 | JacobKerr | I know it runs DOS :) |
| 15:54.55 | thebigdog | not sure how mohaas runs |
| 15:55.16 | thebigdog | but he would have to get a script on your computer that would allow him to get info |
| 15:55.27 | thebigdog | how does dos have access ot your real name |
| 15:55.46 | thebigdog | you have to look at where your real name is stored...or how he can have access to it |
| 15:55.52 | JacobKerr | Well he told me he ran DOS commands. |
| 15:56.10 | thebigdog | he would then need to have a access to the dos shell |
| 15:56.35 | thebigdog | not sure the security of mohaas |
| 15:56.47 | thebigdog | but he would have to exploit something in the game to get access |
| 15:56.50 | thebigdog | which is possible |
| 15:56.51 | mindjuju | thebigdog - not necessarily netbios has big problems |
| 15:57.06 | mindjuju | you can also resolve usernames even if you don't have an in |
| 15:57.27 | thebigdog | you can also google to find people too |
| 15:57.32 | mindjuju | true that |
| 15:57.38 | thebigdog | however, netbios is different then dos |
| 15:58.00 | mindjuju | true, but you the net commands to use it |
| 15:58.05 | mindjuju | and those are command line |
| 15:58.43 | thebigdog | yes the net command...however, some of those commands require a domain controller too |
| 15:58.47 | thebigdog | which i doubt he has |
| 15:59.11 | mindjuju | depends no how JacobKerr has his box setup |
| 15:59.12 | thebigdog | granted net use and net user dont require that |
| 15:59.33 | thebigdog | but i doubt he has a domain controller |
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| 15:59.48 | mindjuju | true that, with sp2, a lot of things got more difficult, but not impossible. |
| 15:59.54 | JacobKerr | Well I had Mcafee antivirus etc. but I turned off my internet security and firewall so I guess I was open. |
| 16:00.03 | PoeticIntensity | did ya read that article, mindjuju ? |
| 16:00.04 | mindjuju | Yipes! |
| 16:00.12 | mindjuju | PI, i did. That's nuts |
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| 16:01.15 | mgeary | ~wednesday |
| 16:01.16 | jbot | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
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| 16:01.20 | PoeticIntensity | all hail mgeary ! |
| 16:01.26 | PoeticIntensity | all hail wps! |
| 16:01.30 | mgeary | morning folks |
| 16:01.38 | wps | thanks |
| 16:04.42 | mindjuju | PI, i 99.9% agree with the article, only disagree that well thought out control should be offered. seems like i read an article here recently about cisco routers and the number of them that still had default password in place. There is already control to the sys op to change password, but well thought out control would render the router unusable until pass changed |
| 16:05.22 | mindjuju | the topic you just hit on, that REALLY scares me, is MS deals with other companies that cause files and procedures to be in place in the OS |
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| 16:05.43 | mindjuju | like this whole mess with Hi Def movies on windows vista |
| 16:11.10 | JacobKerr | I also would like to know: "Why, oh why, did Microsoft include a file for games which might never-ever be played, or even installed, or even allowed???!" |
| 16:12.23 | mindjuju | yeah, that's the point PoeticIntensity hit that I think could be an awesome follow up post. Making deals with other companies to the detriment of the consumer |
| 16:13.26 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 16:13.32 | PoeticIntensity | I simply couldn't believe it when I read that. |
| 16:13.33 | JacobKerr | Does Microsoft have a ton of shares for Macrovision or is this a hidden way for microsoft and other third parties to tap into and steal information from select systems.... |
| 16:13.52 | PoeticIntensity | I knew Windows had its faults and all, but this brought the whole "security" issue to a whole new level. |
| 16:14.09 | mindjuju | JacobKerr, Macrovision is a DRM company -- been around for a long while |
| 16:14.19 | mindjuju | MS is very heavily DRM laden |
| 16:14.39 | PoeticIntensity | unless you screen, and identify *every* *stinkin'* *file* on a Windows system, you really don't know if it's useful, hackable, etc... |
| 16:14.49 | mindjuju | true that |
| 16:14.58 | beandog | nah |
| 16:15.04 | beandog | I know none of them are useful. :) |
| 16:15.04 | PoeticIntensity | even worse that it's for a "game".... |
| 16:15.05 | mgeary | you think the Macrovision thing is a big concession-- have you read this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html ? |
| 16:15.24 | mgeary | with Vista M$ shows the world whose pockets they're in |
| 16:15.26 | PoeticIntensity | why in the world would M$ install a file for a *game* on a Windows 2003 server box? |
| 16:15.41 | thebigdog | licensing |
| 16:16.01 | PoeticIntensity | all I can say is "Thank heavens I'm not tied to Windows anymore". |
| 16:16.24 | mgeary | but you're still impacted, PoeticIntensity |
| 16:16.25 | PoeticIntensity | holy cats, mgeary, that's a friggin' novel. |
| 16:16.30 | mgeary | yeah, but it's a good read |
| 16:16.45 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, how am I affected.... (not disagreeing, just curious) |
| 16:16.48 | PoeticIntensity | ? |
| 16:17.05 | mindjuju | actually, i've read this one mgeary, i was trying to quote it up a little earlier, but couldn't find it |
| 16:17.15 | mgeary | FTA: "These issues affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This document analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral damage that this incurs throughout the computer indu |
| 16:17.16 | mindjuju | but this is the one about how HD content won't play on Vista |
| 16:17.30 | mgeary | right |
| 16:17.41 | beandog | Actually I like the side effects. |
| 16:17.48 | beandog | Linux is quickly becoming the known platform for multimedia. |
| 16:17.53 | mgeary | umm, no |
| 16:17.58 | beandog | Its free, and unrestricted, and lets you do whatever the h you want. |
| 16:17.59 | beandog | :) |
| 16:18.12 | mgeary | i like Linux, but the Mac has it beat for media |
| 16:18.15 | mgeary | hands down |
| 16:18.19 | mgeary | just ask Hollywood |
| 16:18.54 | PoeticIntensity | how do you come to the conclusion that Linux is becoming "the known platform for multimedia", beandog ? |
| 16:18.58 | mgeary | but i do like what i see re: media on linux |
| 16:19.02 | JacobKerr | Mac is Unix based right? |
| 16:19.03 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: http://plug.org |
| 16:19.07 | mgeary | JacobKerr: yes |
| 16:19.20 | mgeary | but Mac !!== Linux |
| 16:19.31 | JacobKerr | Yes I know. |
| 16:19.33 | herlo | mgeary: for sure! |
| 16:19.36 | thebigdog | in movies though they are using more and more linux in the server realm for crunching |
| 16:19.45 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:19.46 | mgeary | which is not to say that they're both great platforms |
| 16:19.48 | JacobKerr | but there's some kind of relation since they are both Unix based?? |
| 16:19.50 | herlo | mgeary: Mac !!== Free (in either definition) |
| 16:20.00 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, what's at plug.org? |
| 16:20.07 | mgeary | umm, "not to say they're *not* both great platforms" |
| 16:20.09 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: where I'm presenting |
| 16:20.12 | PoeticIntensity | aahh.. |
| 16:20.13 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
| 16:20.28 | mindjuju | oh that's true about linux and movie crunching bruce perrin was talking about his work on pixar |
| 16:20.31 | mindjuju | he mentioned that |
| 16:21.29 | thebigdog | now if you are talking personal and semi large projects then mac is a huge player |
| 16:21.41 | thebigdog | but linux is growing still |
| 16:21.51 | beandog | either way, dont use Windows if you want unrestricted access to your media. |
| 16:22.01 | beandog | I dunno enough about Macs to comment |
| 16:22.05 | beandog | nor do I really care |
| 16:22.09 | PoeticIntensity | DVD authoring, music creation, etc.... |
| 16:22.21 | dataw0lf | http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article460869.ece |
| 16:22.25 | dataw0lf | that's one fat hedgehog |
| 16:22.38 | mindjuju | sup dataw0lf |
| 16:22.40 | mgeary | thebigdog: you're right about render farms, but for media authoring, and especially for video work, Macs are the only game in town, afaik |
| 16:22.52 | thebigdog | mgeary, depends |
| 16:22.55 | beandog | thats true |
| 16:22.58 | thebigdog | there are some great tools on linux too |
| 16:23.02 | beandog | I was talking about media frontends though |
| 16:23.03 | thebigdog | not many know about htem though |
| 16:23.09 | beandog | since mindjuju ws talking about hd playback |
| 16:23.15 | thebigdog | but i will take mplayer over anything |
| 16:23.17 | thebigdog | anyday |
| 16:23.18 | beandog | Apple TV doesnt hold a candle to half the stuff thats out there. |
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| 16:23.38 | dataw0lf | sup mindjuju |
| 16:24.07 | PoeticIntensity | in mgeary's defense.... the "video creation, editing, mixing, etc..." portion of media creation is absolutely dominated by macs... |
| 16:24.25 | PoeticIntensity | if you're serious about video, you have a mac. |
| 16:24.32 | PoeticIntensity | video *creation* that is. |
| 16:24.59 | mindjuju | Napoleon Dynamite was cut on a Mac with Final Cut Pro, and that speaks volumes |
| 16:25.03 | PoeticIntensity | Personally, I find Linux just as easy to use in music and photography as macs / windows. |
| 16:25.18 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: which is unfortunate |
| 16:25.22 | mgeary | yeah, not that i'm trying to defend Mac, necessarily. frankly, it's one thing that has actually *slowed* Mac adoption, imho. How many times have you heard people say, "well if you're doing 'creative' work, get a mac, but if you're doing 'real' work, get a PC" |
| 16:25.32 | PoeticIntensity | but right now, Linux doesn't even shine a candle-light against mac in the realm of video editing. |
| 16:25.32 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 16:25.33 | beandog | mindjuju, about the movie or the Mac? ;) |
| 16:26.14 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, same thing with the movie Charly. |
| 16:26.44 | mindjuju | speaks volumes about both! |
| 16:27.10 | mgeary | jeeze, 27,000 contestants entered that NetFlix recommendation system improvement contest |
| 16:27.15 | beandog | btw, anyone recommend a decent bug tracker? doesnt have to be in php ... trac is just a wee bit limited some times. |
| 16:27.32 | dataw0lf | if you're doing professional video editing, the platform hardly matters compared to the tools. |
| 16:27.40 | thebigdog | if you want features bugzilla |
| 16:27.43 | mindjuju | flyspray is suppose to be good |
| 16:27.51 | dataw0lf | and Avid, the dominant contender in L.A., is cross platform. |
| 16:27.55 | beandog | dataw0lf, right, its just that there arent many tools for each platform |
| 16:28.07 | beandog | at least, not for simple users |
| 16:28.14 | dataw0lf | well, no, not for simple users. |
| 16:28.18 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, that's true.... If you've got tens of thousands of dollars to spend on software alone. |
| 16:28.21 | dataw0lf | But I thought we were talking about 'serious' film editing. |
| 16:28.26 | dataw0lf | Like, professional. |
| 16:28.32 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 16:28.39 | beandog | No, were talking how Linux pwns Windows. ;) |
| 16:28.47 | PoeticIntensity | I personally know quite a few professional digital video editors who use Final Cut Pro exclusively. |
| 16:28.48 | dataw0lf | How does Linux pwn Windows? |
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| 16:29.06 | beandog | No HDCP DRM for one. |
| 16:29.10 | JacobKerr | Someone needs to write a wiki on SVN server |
| 16:29.27 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: My aunt is a film editor in Hollywood, and she 1) uses a Mac and 2) has told me Avid has a stranglehold on the market |
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| 16:29.35 | dataw0lf | FCP is used for indie films and stuff |
| 16:29.36 | JacobKerr | oh nvm I found it.. |
| 16:29.38 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: a co-worker of yours just called me |
| 16:29.45 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, no doubt. |
| 16:29.52 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, really? |
| 16:29.54 | orsonj | Linux gets the important stuff right and lets windows specialize in the wrong stuff |
| 16:29.54 | dataw0lf | but most large Hollywood studios use Avid. |
| 16:30.11 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, you're right on... |
| 16:30.13 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: yeah, Doug Clawson |
| 16:30.27 | dataw0lf | Bah. Vista's network stack is much better than Linux's. |
| 16:30.32 | PoeticIntensity | my contention is that Final Cut Pro is just as good as Avid. |
| 16:30.37 | dataw0lf | Vista, technology wise, > Linux. |
| 16:30.49 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... ya troll. |
| 16:30.51 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 16:30.55 | dataw0lf | No, it's true. |
| 16:31.15 | dataw0lf | I know the guy who led the black box teams for Microsoft for a year to basically fix everything security wise in Vista |
| 16:31.23 | dataw0lf | I don't use Vista much anymore. |
| 16:31.30 | dataw0lf | But that's because I've been using Unix and Linux for so long. |
| 16:31.35 | dataw0lf | Vista is actually pretty decent. |
| 16:31.48 | PoeticIntensity | you'll have to write up the reasons why you say that..... |
| 16:31.53 | orsonj | completly secures the system from the user |
| 16:32.09 | PoeticIntensity | Seems like everyone else disagrees with you on that one. |
| 16:32.16 | dataw0lf | orsonj: well so does Linux, unless you +s and that's no good. |
| 16:32.29 | orsonj | yep, a good thing actually |
| 16:32.51 | fungus | What are some examples of technology that is better in Vista? |
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| 16:33.02 | orsonj | drm |
| 16:33.08 | dataw0lf | the entire network stack, like I said. |
| 16:33.09 | orsonj | linux drm suxor |
| 16:33.33 | fungus | hm, i'll have to read about that. |
| 16:33.38 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, could you give examples of how it's better? |
| 16:33.48 | dataw0lf | that's the only thing I know indepth because of my discussions with Dan (my friend), but everything else I used in Vista when I had it on my Alienware laptop was fairly awesome. |
| 16:33.52 | dataw0lf | XNA is pretty sweet too. |
| 16:34.04 | fungus | The network stack in OpenBSD is super advanced and high speed, especially in 4.1 |
| 16:34.08 | fungus | err 4.2 |
| 16:34.15 | orsonj | yep, I think they did get a lot right, but the fact that there is the annoying I can't trust my computer thing bugs me. |
| 16:34.18 | dataw0lf | yea, uh, Kaminsky contributed to that. |
| 16:34.25 | dataw0lf | the network stack in OpenBSD, fungus |
| 16:34.31 | dataw0lf | and he rewrote the Windows network stack basically |
| 16:34.34 | dataw0lf | and it's security models |
| 16:34.41 | fungus | that's cool |
| 16:35.01 | dataw0lf | http://www.doxpara.com/ |
| 16:35.22 | dataw0lf | I'm dead serious, when I was badmouthing Vista to him in Seattle, he took 6 hours to convince me he was right. |
| 16:35.30 | dataw0lf | but Vista is a viable platform, and it's pretty dang good. |
| 16:35.39 | dataw0lf | it's light years ahead of anything Microsoft has ever produced. |
| 16:36.03 | dataw0lf | trust me, they're feeling the competition, against a competitor that their standard tactics (undercut and underengineer) don't work. |
| 16:36.11 | dataw0lf | So they've had to resort to, tada, good engineering. |
| 16:36.13 | dataw0lf | Which they're capable of. |
| 16:37.01 | dataw0lf | the funny thing is, while Linux is trying to make the user experience more seamless |
| 16:37.06 | fungus | Ok, that is reason to try it, but until is is Free, it won't go any further than just trying it out. |
| 16:37.30 | dataw0lf | Microsoft is now backpedaling, when they start engineering correctly, in user interface |
| 16:38.00 | dataw0lf | that's one thing I'd give Linux, user interface, but, honestly, I don't know much about XFCE4 or Gnome (my two standards), I usually reside at the command line, so perhaps I'm not qualified to make that statement |
| 16:38.45 | dataw0lf | fungus: yea, I don't have the same qualms you do about things being Free. |
| 16:39.05 | fungus | I have been trying to use the Gnome GUI stuff more and more, and most of the time it is pretty good. (catching up to the CLI :)) |
| 16:39.37 | dataw0lf | fungus: well ctrl-alt-<arrow key> wins it for me ;-) |
| 16:40.31 | fungus | My favorite gui goodness is the speed and ease of mounting network shares... as a user. |
| 16:40.49 | dataw0lf | All I'm saying is, yes, I prefer Linux, and BSD. But just denigrating Vista because it's Microsoft is a fairly cheap ploy. At least look at the OS indepth yourself first. |
| 16:41.03 | fungus | agreed. |
| 16:41.06 | dataw0lf | I was guilty of it too, but I got straightened out ;-) |
| 16:41.40 | fungus | But that whole Non-Free thing is a huge ding against it already. It's gotta be really awesome to make me look twice. |
| 16:41.49 | dataw0lf | Oh, I know that about you. |
| 16:41.50 | dataw0lf | ya hippie. |
| 16:42.24 | fungus | yup |
| 16:42.54 | thebigdog | money for all |
| 16:42.56 | thebigdog | ~yeah |
| 16:42.56 | jbot | [yeah] YEAH |
| 16:43.11 | dataw0lf | ^- better than Money |
| 16:44.38 | PoeticIntensity | yo, thebigdog ... you wouldn't happen to know how to convert m4p (encoded aac) music files to something non-encoded (ogg), would ya? |
| 16:44.52 | PoeticIntensity | most stuff on gentoo-wiki is out-dated. |
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| 16:45.08 | thebigdog | you want m4p to something else |
| 16:45.12 | thebigdog | like what? |
| 16:45.14 | PoeticIntensity | ogg. |
| 16:45.25 | fungus | m4p is drm'd. |
| 16:45.28 | PoeticIntensity | I just want to put an m4p file on my X5. |
| 16:45.29 | dataw0lf | aren't m4ps encrypted? |
| 16:45.31 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:45.43 | fungus | you gotta strip the encryption first before you can re-encode it |
| 16:45.44 | dataw0lf | you're going to have to break the encryption first |
| 16:45.51 | dataw0lf | dang it fungus |
| 16:46.01 | PoeticIntensity | hee hee... |
| 16:46.08 | thebigdog | or you play it and record it |
| 16:46.12 | fungus | Burn it to CD and re-rip |
| 16:46.13 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 16:46.14 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:46.28 | fungus | or check out the progress on hymn-project.org |
| 16:46.31 | PoeticIntensity | just seeing if there's a known way, which is (un)known to me. |
| 16:46.39 | fungus | there are some attempts at breaking it an easier way |
| 16:46.52 | thebigdog | or this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Convert_from_iTunes |
| 16:47.10 | fungus | However with current versions of iTunes most of the hymn-projects tools don't work |
| 16:47.31 | PoeticIntensity | bah.... death to DRM. |
| 16:47.31 | thebigdog | check out DeDRMS |
| 16:47.42 | PoeticIntensity | headin' down that path now, thebigdog ... |
| 16:47.42 | thebigdog | that probably can remove the drm stuff |
| 16:47.50 | dataw0lf | how about don't use m4ps? ;-) |
| 16:47.52 | JacobKerr | So a commit is pretty much a way of recording and monitoring acitivity with a database from start to finish for a particular user??? |
| 16:47.52 | thebigdog | not sure how it works though |
| 16:47.58 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:48.07 | thebigdog | russian music sites+++++++ |
| 16:48.17 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, right... I never do.. this is for my brother. He bought a "talk-on-tape" thing and it was encoded... |
| 16:48.21 | PoeticIntensity | he also has an X5. |
| 16:48.35 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, a commit is when the work is finalized to the database |
| 16:48.38 | fungus | I just got the entire Guitar Hero music collection via bittorrent yesterday |
| 16:48.42 | JacobKerr | I see.. |
| 16:48.57 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, if you have a database that handles transactions you can do additional things too |
| 16:49.07 | thebigdog | like rollback, points and other things |
| 16:49.14 | JacobKerr | Nice. |
| 16:49.18 | dataw0lf | fungus: are the GH tracks public domain? |
| 16:49.22 | JacobKerr | Counds very complex.. LOL |
| 16:49.26 | JacobKerr | Sounds* |
| 16:49.59 | fungus | nope |
| 16:50.56 | dataw0lf | fungus: THIEF! |
| 16:51.05 | beandog | so, any bug tracker ideas? |
| 16:51.16 | JacobKerr | Do allot of you guys use subversion? |
| 16:51.23 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: most of us. |
| 16:51.26 | JacobKerr | Cool. |
| 16:51.29 | PoeticIntensity | subversion is vedddy nice. |
| 16:51.47 | dataw0lf | I use perforce at work (again... *sigh*) |
| 16:52.06 | Utah_Dave | beandog: I use Flyspray a bit. It's not perfect, but it works pretty well |
| 16:52.18 | thebigdog | beandog, use bugzilla |
| 16:52.21 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 16:52.26 | JacobKerr | Flyspray is for debugging and errrors right? |
| 16:52.38 | Utah_Dave | flyspray is a lot easier to set up |
| 16:52.52 | dataw0lf | Mac is on the flyspray dev team, isn't he? |
| 16:52.57 | Utah_Dave | JacobKerr: sure |
| 16:53.01 | Utah_Dave | that's what I use it for |
| 16:53.01 | JacobKerr | but subversion is for project management and flyspray for errors? |
| 16:53.12 | Utah_Dave | subversion is for version management |
| 16:53.17 | Utah_Dave | of your source code |
| 16:53.40 | JacobKerr | :) I'm just learning.. |
| 16:54.27 | Utah_Dave | JacobKerr: We're all just learning! Ask lots of questions |
| 16:54.33 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 16:54.47 | JacobKerr | Thanx. |
| 16:54.52 | beandog | flyspray is nasty, and bugzilla is overkill |
| 16:55.03 | dataw0lf | flyspray is ok. |
| 16:55.08 | dataw0lf | Trac is pretty decent. |
| 16:55.21 | beandog | flyspray fails UI design 101 |
| 16:55.42 | beandog | mgeary, likey? |
| 16:55.46 | Utah_Dave | flyspray does have some problems, but I like it quite a bit |
| 16:55.49 | mgeary | works fine for me |
| 16:57.09 | JacobKerr | So when commit takes place in subversion the new code is added to the version then do you use all the information in the DB to compile the application? |
| 17:00.57 | thebigdog | beandog, i use eventum |
| 17:01.09 | mindjuju | timinator , what you listening to over there? |
| 17:01.14 | mindjuju | i need something poppin |
| 17:01.21 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, subversion is a versioning system |
| 17:01.25 | beandog | mantis looks like a bit overkill as well |
| 17:01.34 | beandog | trac is just missing a few features, dangit. :T |
| 17:01.48 | thebigdog | beandog, just use a spreadsheet |
| 17:01.51 | mindjuju | beandog, used mantis for a little while, found it to be way too much gun |
| 17:01.59 | thebigdog | your too picky |
| 17:02.00 | mindjuju | at least, this was like 3 yrs ago |
| 17:02.00 | beandog | thebigdog, lol, thanks man |
| 17:02.14 | mgeary | mindjuju: that's surprising to me. i consider mantis fairly liteweight |
| 17:02.16 | PoeticIntensity | beandog is the epitome of picky-ness. :) |
| 17:02.17 | JacobKerr | So it helps manage an update of an application to a new version right? |
| 17:02.51 | mindjuju | mgeary, don't remember what it was, but remember using mantis and thinking that it was too much gun |
| 17:02.54 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, it manages the versions of the code |
| 17:03.03 | mindjuju | but you know, i'm in the market, so maybe i'll test mantis and write feedback |
| 17:03.11 | mindjuju | but truth told, i was just going to write something out really fast |
| 17:03.26 | mindjuju | that way i could have some sexy features |
| 17:04.11 | beandog | thats probably what I should do |
| 17:04.17 | beandog | Ive already got one I started anyway |
| 17:04.35 | mindjuju | yeah, that way it has just what you want, and nothign you don't |
| 17:05.11 | timinator | actually I'm listening to Korn |
| 17:05.14 | mindjuju | like ical support. I want everybody using the projectplanner to be able to have ical and see when their darn projects are do on a calendar, so they can plan out their day appropriately. the project big picture |
| 17:05.15 | timinator | mindjuju |
| 17:05.22 | JacobKerr | when you say version do you mean language or just an update on the application whether it maybe more advanced code to help keep the system from having depreciated code, security patches, advances in the system and optimization etc? |
| 17:05.41 | mindjuju | there ain't a darn planner that i have found that has ical |
| 17:06.00 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, a versioning system manages the changes between files |
| 17:06.19 | thebigdog | think in terms of files and not application |
| 17:06.25 | JacobKerr | I c. |
| 17:06.29 | thebigdog | it is used when you are developing code |
| 17:06.31 | mindjuju | haven't ever heard Korn, but heard they were good |
| 17:06.45 | mindjuju | you're prolly under the influence of thebigdog and his antiTechno ways |
| 17:06.53 | thebigdog | a place to store your code as you develop...while tracking changes in the code |
| 17:07.06 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:07.16 | timinator | they sang Freak on a Leash |
| 17:07.22 | thebigdog | oh yeah that is good |
| 17:09.05 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, read this bro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versioning_system |
| 17:09.05 | JacobKerr | Yeah that's what I thought it may save the dat or code in another DB and track your code for the project and test the project, debug it etc and lets you roll back in case it blows up in your face and if it's good to go it will commit the code to another DB that holds the project?? |
| 17:09.06 | JacobKerr | k, thanx |
| 17:11.46 | JacobKerr | Thanx thebigdog. I'm pretty sure I know what it is now... |
| 17:11.54 | thebigdog | cool good to hear |
| 17:12.41 | mindjuju | way to help thebigdog! |
| 17:12.44 | mindjuju | ~pants thebigdog |
| 17:12.45 | jbot | ACTION steals thebigdog's pants |
| 17:13.33 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:14.53 | mindjuju | i'm just so dang tired |
| 17:15.17 | mindjuju | i finished up my projects, took yesterday off and last night played Prince of Persia : Sands of Time from 11 - 2a |
| 17:15.25 | mindjuju | first game i played in at least a month |
| 17:17.04 | timinator | mindjuju... you ever tried a RockStar? Pomegranate Rockstar ++ |
| 17:21.33 | mindjuju | haven't tried |
| 17:21.42 | mindjuju | what is it, sounds like a fruit drink? |
| 17:21.57 | mindjuju | or some EuroTech DJ |
| 17:27.41 | timinator | it's an energy drink |
| 17:27.47 | timinator | but w/ 50% juice |
| 17:27.51 | timinator | I likey |
| 17:28.00 | timinator | they give you a kick |
| 17:28.07 | timinator | and there's a bit of a drop at the end |
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| 17:33.38 | timinator | what's great about RockStar is that it uses several vitamins/herbs in addition to caffeine/sugar to boost energy |
| 17:33.53 | mgeary | can anyone confirm that GoDaddy's homepage isn't fully loading? |
| 17:34.13 | timinator | loads great for me |
| 17:34.17 | mgeary | hmm |
| 17:34.24 | mgeary | you get a login box? |
| 17:34.30 | timinator | yes |
| 17:34.32 | mgeary | k |
| 17:34.37 | timinator | and logged in |
| 17:34.42 | timinator | and viewing my domains |
| 17:34.54 | timinator | in the Domain Control Center |
| 17:35.16 | mgeary | weird. not working in any browser for me |
| 17:35.18 | timinator | I'm using Camino on Mac OS 10.4.10 |
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| 17:35.41 | mindjuju | loads here |
| 17:36.00 | mindjuju | timinator, haven't really gotten into energy drinks, but hear they give you a kick when you need it |
| 17:36.29 | mindjuju | had a friend go 3 days non stop just on bawls, eventually collapsed and had to be carted away on possible stroke, but he got better |
| 17:36.54 | timinator | moderation, my man |
| 17:37.09 | mindjuju | yeah, 3 days non stop is crazy |
| 17:37.12 | timinator | use 'em when you need 'em, don't when you don't |
| 17:37.27 | mindjuju | that's why i do 18hr cycles max |
| 17:37.40 | mindjuju | give you crazy horus, but some sleep too |
| 17:38.14 | timinator | excess in anything is a bad thing |
| 17:38.49 | mindjuju | i could us an excess of money |
| 17:39.04 | mindjuju | i promise i'll be responsible |
| 17:39.36 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:40.06 | timinator | seriously... if you're about to crash, and can't right now... go get one |
| 17:43.07 | PoeticIntensity | I've been trying to tone it down to Mountain Dew lately, though. |
| 17:43.31 | PoeticIntensity | (just when I'm tired).... |
| 17:43.48 | mindjuju | did anybody try that mountain dew game fuel flavor? hadn't really heard much about it |
| 17:43.52 | PoeticIntensity | but man, when I get to sleep around 1:00am *every* *night*, and have to wake up multiple times due to children.... |
| 17:43.59 | PoeticIntensity | makes being anything *but* tired almost impossible. |
| 17:44.19 | mindjuju | PI, how many kids you got? |
| 17:44.23 | PoeticIntensity | just two. |
| 17:44.45 | PoeticIntensity | one *really* likes to get in bed with us.... and the wife doesn't do anything about it, and I Don't know about it until 5:00am and I'm being pushed off the bed... :) |
| 17:47.29 | beandog | holy snaps, 500gb wd for $100 |
| 17:47.42 | beandog | sata II |
| 17:47.49 | beandog | I'll take 12. |
| 17:48.47 | fungus | beandog: where??? |
| 17:49.39 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, is keepin' the good deals to himself... :-C |
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| 17:51.04 | beandog | newegg |
| 17:51.05 | beandog | sec |
| 17:51.48 | macnewbol1 | ~seen JacobKerr |
| 17:51.49 | jbot | jacobkerr is currently on #uphpu (2h 17m 4s). Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 40m 3s, last said: 'Thanx thebigdog. I'm pretty sure I know what it is now...'. |
| 17:51.49 | beandog | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178 |
| 17:51.52 | beandog | sheesh |
| 17:51.54 | beandog | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178 |
| 17:51.56 | beandog | fail. |
| 17:52.22 | JacobKerr | LOL thanx for the report jbot |
| 17:52.46 | JacobKerr | I'm listening to your podcast macnewbol1 |
| 17:52.49 | JacobKerr | very interesting. |
| 17:52.52 | macnewbol1 | :) |
| 17:53.09 | mindjuju | so who hear is an audio person? |
| 17:53.13 | macnewbold | be careful, don't operate heavy machinery while listening |
| 17:53.17 | mindjuju | like that has equip |
| 17:53.19 | macnewbold | it could put you to sleep |
| 17:53.37 | beandog | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178 |
| 17:54.04 | JacobKerr | It's keeping me wide awake :). I am working on very tedious stuff right now.. |
| 17:54.09 | macnewbold | ah |
| 17:54.14 | macnewbold | well I hope it is useful |
| 17:54.44 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: my coworker sitting near me is an audio god |
| 17:54.44 | mindjuju | it turned out really good macnewbold. i NEED to get an omni mic so youcan hear the questions better |
| 17:54.52 | macnewbold | yeah, the questions are hard |
| 17:55.07 | macnewbold | or the speaker needs to repeat the question on the mike first |
| 17:55.11 | mindjuju | utah_dave, ask if he has a mixer, i'm looking to step up and would rather not break bank |
| 17:55.19 | mindjuju | a mixer for sale that is |
| 17:57.23 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: just a sec. he's looking at some mixers with me |
| 17:57.32 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 17:58.36 | JacobKerr | Just to let you all if you do not already know and I'm sure you do, VISTA SUX! |
| 17:58.48 | macnewbold | haha |
| 17:58.52 | macnewbold | ~amen |
| 17:58.53 | jbot | Praise the lord! |
| 17:58.57 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 17:59.06 | macnewbold | ~asplode vista |
| 17:59.07 | jbot | vista head asplode, k thx |
| 17:59.08 | PoeticIntensity | yo, mindjuju ... I've been called an "audiophile" of sorts... |
| 17:59.14 | PoeticIntensity | lookin' for a mixer, eh'? |
| 17:59.31 | PoeticIntensity | how many channels? |
| 17:59.42 | JacobKerr | it's sad when you have to pay to down grade your version of windows.. |
| 18:00.02 | wps | why are you using windows? |
| 18:00.30 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: ask synic, gibba, and optikal about mixers. |
| 18:00.48 | JacobKerr | Well I do not know linux, I am starting to learn a bit here and there but I have never used it. |
| 18:01.01 | wps | how about a Macintosh? |
| 18:01.02 | PoeticIntensity | no time like now to jump in with both feet! |
| 18:01.03 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 18:01.09 | JacobKerr | I am learning Unix commands.. |
| 18:01.25 | PoeticIntensity | I must warn you, however, JacobKerr .... |
| 18:01.28 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: don't listen to them. Windows works for 99% of people. |
| 18:01.38 | JacobKerr | I have not used that much either |
| 18:01.44 | PoeticIntensity | once you start using Linux, don't expect to ever look at using computers the same way again. |
| 18:01.46 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 18:01.49 | macnewbold | ~lart dataw0lf for promoting windows |
| 18:01.49 | jbot | takes out a cattle prod and gives dataw0lf a good jolt for promoting windows |
| 18:02.05 | dataw0lf | How am I promoting Windows? I'm not. You're trashing it. |
| 18:02.18 | dataw0lf | There are millions of developers who use Windows and don't seem to have many problems. |
| 18:02.28 | macnewbold | "windows works for 99% of people"? That sounded like promoting to me... |
| 18:02.36 | PoeticIntensity | me too. |
| 18:02.37 | JacobKerr | Yeah allot of devlopers love windows.. |
| 18:02.49 | macnewbold | perhaps "99% of people use windows" is fair, but I dare say it doesn't "work" for all of them |
| 18:02.50 | dataw0lf | Windows DOES work for 99% of people. |
| 18:02.52 | JacobKerr | PC for Developers Mac for Designers.. |
| 18:03.08 | PoeticIntensity | PC meaning windows, JacobKerr ? |
| 18:03.19 | wps | that is an extreme generalization, JacobKerr |
| 18:03.27 | JacobKerr | Yeah I know.. |
| 18:03.33 | wps | you would be amazed at how many developers use Macintoshes |
| 18:03.36 | orsonj | I got a laptop ~6 months ago with vista and media player can't play dvds smoothly. mplayer handles it though. |
| 18:03.36 | dataw0lf | An extreme generalization is immediately telling him to use OS X. |
| 18:03.44 | wps | long gone are the days when it was mostly just used by artists |
| 18:03.54 | JacobKerr | but that is the most know correct, even though i do not agree or like to support generalization.. |
| 18:04.07 | macnewbold | developers who like OSX often like it (at least in part) because it's got unix (BSD) underneath :) |
| 18:04.15 | wps | how is that a generalization? he was complaining about his computer so I suggested an alternate |
| 18:04.15 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 18:04.16 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: Use what works. If it fits you, you'll eventually move to Linux or OS X or Unix. |
| 18:04.21 | dataw0lf | Don't try to force it. |
| 18:04.26 | macnewbold | IMHO, Linux/Unix are made by developers for developers, and it works great for that |
| 18:04.30 | dataw0lf | You'll only learn bad habits and broad generalizations from evangelists. |
| 18:04.39 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf |
| 18:04.39 | jbot | rumour has it, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine, or ehl oh ehl, or a guy who likes ... |
| 18:04.45 | PoeticIntensity | heh..... |
| 18:04.56 | JacobKerr | I know but I would like to know how to communicate with all my servers since they are all Unix bases.. |
| 18:04.58 | JacobKerr | based* |
| 18:05.07 | dataw0lf | I don't see how I'm trolling when you guys are making the assumptions and generalizations. |
| 18:05.09 | macnewbold | ssh is great for that |
| 18:05.11 | dataw0lf | But whatever. |
| 18:05.14 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:05.15 | dataw0lf | I recommended him to figure it out for himself. |
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| 18:05.18 | macnewbold | ~taunt dataw0lf |
| 18:05.18 | jbot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at dataw0lf |
| 18:05.23 | macnewbold | oh, come on. |
| 18:05.28 | JacobKerr | LOL. |
| 18:05.30 | PoeticIntensity | dare I say that developers who have tried (with the same effort on both) both Windows and Linux, tend to use Linux. |
| 18:05.34 | macnewbold | a little good natured teasing, and he runs out of the room |
| 18:05.43 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: do you need microphones? |
| 18:06.28 | unum | I didn't know there were that many stupid people |
| 18:06.34 | Utah_Dave | http://www.zzounds.com/item--PEVPV6 |
| 18:06.37 | PoeticIntensity | in defense of evangelism..... I would have not even know about Linux, had someone not told me about it. |
| 18:07.00 | Utah_Dave | http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHXENTX802 is a little bit cheaper and crapier |
| 18:07.10 | PoeticIntensity | "Hear Hear" for zzounds.com! |
| 18:07.16 | wps | weird… someone just posted a job announcement for a packing designer in Texas to the UPHPU job announcement list |
| 18:07.18 | JacobKerr | There are many dif. outlooks and opinions on what makes a stupid person stupid.. |
| 18:07.33 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: the first one is a peavey. It's a lot better quality and just $30 bucks more |
| 18:07.44 | wps | s/packing/packaging/ |
| 18:08.49 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a behringer 12-channel mixer... |
| 18:09.05 | PoeticIntensity | works great.... |
| 18:09.20 | PoeticIntensity | I'd recommend the latter one. Should mix just fine. |
| 18:09.24 | PoeticIntensity | (and it's cheaper) |
| 18:10.42 | orsonj | and brasto gets the extra point! |
| 18:10.46 | orsonj | ~brasto++ |
| 18:14.00 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:14.03 | PoeticIntensity | nice, brasto . |
| 18:24.39 | bradym | wow.. something's definitely wrong when it takes a couple minutes to load a website on the company's internal network... |
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| 18:57.36 | macnewbold | JacobKerr: did you see my private message(s)? |
| 18:58.08 | JacobKerr | no sorry I will look now |
| 18:59.26 | macnewbold | k, cool |
| 18:59.29 | macnewbold | no worries |
| 18:59.54 | macnewbold | what IRC program do you use? |
| 19:04.06 | PoeticIntensity | he uses XChat. |
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| 19:10.25 | mgeary | you need to register your nick for private msgs to work |
| 19:15.32 | JacobKerr | macnewbold did you get my PMs? |
| 19:15.44 | mindjuju | jacobkerr, mgeary is right |
| 19:15.55 | JacobKerr | oh... |
| 19:15.57 | mindjuju | if you haven't registered your nick it won't let you send, and probably not receive |
| 19:16.09 | mindjuju | i know for sure no send, because that is freenode way to stop spammers |
| 19:16.23 | JacobKerr | macnewbold I will send my PMs in an email. |
| 19:16.35 | mindjuju | so, you may be asking yourself, Self, how would i register my nick so i can be hip and trendy like the others? |
| 19:17.56 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 19:18.06 | JacobKerr | I can find it on uphpu.net right? |
| 19:18.17 | PoeticIntensity | probably not |
| 19:18.30 | PoeticIntensity | registering a nick is an IRC thing... not a UPHPU thing. |
| 19:18.33 | mindjuju | well, i was going to get it for you from nickserv as i don't recall offhand, but nickserv seems confused |
| 19:18.34 | mindjuju | hang on |
| 19:19.15 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.15 | mindjuju | so jacobkerr, if that is the nick you want, you'll want to say /msg nickserv REGISTER <password> |
| 19:20.19 | mindjuju | but! |
| 19:20.41 | mindjuju | put the /msg first, no spaces |
| 19:21.02 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 19:21.24 | mindjuju | otherwise this would happen if you have couple of leader spaces |
| 19:21.35 | JacobKerr | unknown command register |
| 19:21.38 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.40 | JacobKerr | oh nvm typo |
| 19:21.49 | mindjuju | see, that would sux, so no leaders |
| 19:22.02 | mindjuju | and of course, that ain't my pass |
| 19:22.19 | JacobKerr | haha I'm registered! Thanx! |
| 19:22.42 | mindjuju | rock on, now PM macnewbold all you want |
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| 20:47.13 | beandog | holy hannah |
| 20:47.17 | macnewbold | where? |
| 20:47.22 | beandog | I just had a "Withdrawal" of almost $3k on my checking account. |
| 20:51.20 | macnewbold | yikes, that's not good |
| 20:51.26 | beandog | oh LOVELY. |
| 20:51.30 | beandog | I know what it is. |
| 20:51.32 | macnewbold | paycheck bounce or something? |
| 20:51.36 | macnewbold | that's not good either |
| 20:51.46 | macnewbold | at least you know what it is - that makes it less scary usually |
| 20:51.48 | beandog | yes |
| 20:51.54 | beandog | thats exactly what I think it is. |
| 20:51.57 | macnewbold | doh |
| 20:52.06 | macnewbold | well if you're in the job market.... ;) |
| 20:52.30 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow.... |
| 20:52.37 | PoeticIntensity | that's not good, beandog ... |
| 20:52.42 | cole_joplin | That's a bad sign, my friend |
| 20:54.23 | fungus | Just once isn't that big of a deal as long as you know the reason. |
| 20:54.32 | fungus | The second time means it's time to go. |
| 20:55.54 | cole_joplin | The market is good, Beaner |
| 20:57.47 | mindjuju | poor beandog |
| 20:58.07 | macnewbold | yeah, listen to fungus on this one for sure |
| 20:58.13 | macnewbold | he knows what he's talking about |
| 20:58.19 | mindjuju | poor fungus |
| 20:58.28 | mindjuju | but now he's sitting pretty in a cush job at SOS |
| 20:58.35 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:58.38 | macnewbold | :) |
| 20:59.01 | macnewbold | I saw the other day that SOS is on a top-25 list for highest revenue companies in utah, or soemthing like that |
| 20:59.15 | PoeticIntensity | well that's definitely good new for fungus! |
| 20:59.21 | fungus | I didn't see that. |
| 20:59.45 | macnewbold | time to ask for a raise |
| 21:00.02 | mindjuju | he just got a huge raise when xmission wanted to steal him |
| 21:00.15 | fungus | yeah, already got a huge raise |
| 21:00.18 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:00.21 | macnewbold | I'm glad it was huge |
| 21:00.27 | macnewbold | you're worth it I think |
| 21:00.48 | macnewbold | it's always good when a company will show you how much they appreciate you and how much value you add for them |
| 21:01.25 | fungus | Yeah, I got it good here. |
| 21:02.21 | mindjuju | now tell him about the phat pipe your sitting on |
| 21:02.24 | mindjuju | that kills me |
| 21:03.04 | macnewbold | who, me or fungus? |
| 21:03.08 | macnewbold | I bet fungus has the better one |
| 21:03.31 | macnewbold | I love my 10Mbps direct into XM, but there are a lot of things that can get better speed still |
| 21:03.31 | mindjuju | fungus, he's sitting on a huge pipe |
| 21:03.42 | mindjuju | 70Mbps if i recall |
| 21:03.43 | macnewbold | though my reliability here is pretty darn good. |
| 21:03.44 | fungus | I got 70Mbit/s burstable to 150 |
| 21:03.48 | macnewbold | whoa, sweet |
| 21:03.49 | mindjuju | i'm terribly jealous |
| 21:04.00 | mindjuju | we just got bumped up to 6Mbps |
| 21:04.05 | mindjuju | i feel like i'm on dial up |
| 21:04.39 | macnewbold | :( |
| 21:04.43 | pelaofeliz | mindjuju: watch out for the fern |
| 21:04.45 | macnewbold | ~mourn mindjuju's internetz |
| 21:04.45 | jbot | ACTION lights some candles for mindjuju's internetz |
| 21:05.16 | mindjuju | somedays, i feel i could walk faster than the data transferring across th wire |
| 21:05.20 | fungus | mindjuju: maybe you should have the person in charge to take stock of your current circuits and see if a fractional DS3 or something might be more cost effective |
| 21:06.07 | mindjuju | yeah, we need to do something here |
| 21:06.35 | fungus | "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of backup tapes" -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum |
| 21:06.51 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:07.12 | macnewbold | seriously... you could pack a whole lot of 500-750GB hard drives in a van I bet |
| 21:07.18 | unum | he was so right about the microkernel too |
| 21:07.20 | unum | :) |
| 21:07.26 | fungus | lol |
| 21:08.09 | macnewbold | yeah, tanenbaum is a smart guy - I've got one or two of his books on my shelf |
| 21:10.06 | mindjuju | can't wait for the Mac line of books to come out... How i made it big on PHP, and you can too, by MacNewbold |
| 21:10.12 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 21:10.14 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 21:11.00 | unum | I never want to work anymore |
| 21:11.09 | unum | I'm blaming it on all the web dev stuff I have to do |
| 21:11.19 | unum | I need to go to tomorrow's meeting |
| 21:11.23 | unum | but probably won't |
| 21:11.52 | mindjuju | what's @ tomorrow's meeting? |
| 21:12.33 | unum | some ajax tool kit |
| 21:12.50 | unum | I'm still doing everythnig by hand |
| 21:13.08 | unum | I need to learn a javascript toolkit and a php framework |
| 21:13.17 | mindjuju | OH! you mean uphpu meeting tomorrow |
| 21:13.22 | unum | problem is my major project is half implemented... |
| 21:13.22 | mindjuju | yeah, you should go dude! |
| 21:13.47 | mindjuju | dude, when i saw ExtJS, i thought I might leave dojo for a second, it's that hawt |
| 21:14.04 | unum | ahh there it all is at the top of the screen |
| 21:14.25 | mindjuju | plus alvaro is a good speaker, i've heard him talk before |
| 21:19.16 | unum | is there just a time object in php |
| 21:19.26 | unum | or do I always have to do it as a datetime object |
| 21:24.11 | mgeary | unum: what do you want to do? |
| 21:25.53 | unum | I have a start time and an end time I want to insert the time into a postgresql column at 15 minute intervals between those two times |
| 21:25.56 | unum | if that makes sense |
| 21:26.14 | unum | there is a postgresql time object |
| 21:26.35 | unum | I could just convert everything to seconds... |
| 21:28.51 | bradym | There's a datetime object in php5 - http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.date-create.php - not sure if it would be helpful for you or not though. |
| 21:29.12 | unum | I've been using that |
| 21:29.33 | unum | our centos5 box said it had php5, but didn't support the datetime object |
| 21:29.41 | unum | I had to upgrade the version of php on there |
| 21:29.45 | unum | stupid redhat |
| 21:30.11 | unum | but anyways I rather not mess with date in this particular case |
| 21:30.22 | unum | I was just wondering if there was a better way to do it |
| 21:34.22 | thebigdog | unum, what are you working on with dates? |
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| 21:38.45 | unum | thebigdog: I'm adding an employee scheduling module to our database application |
| 21:39.14 | thebigdog | i did not understand about your time interval with pgsql dates |
| 21:41.43 | unum | oh |
| 21:41.51 | unum | sorry I had a phone call |
| 21:42.15 | unum | I have 9:00 am and 5:00 pm store in variables |
| 21:42.42 | unum | I want to store 9:00 am, 9:15 am, 9:30 am....4:45 pm in my database |
| 21:43.04 | unum | I'll just use the datatime object and getTime function I think |
| 21:49.55 | thebigdog | pgsql has some killer time functions too |
| 21:55.17 | mindjuju | ~poo pgsql |
| 21:55.18 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at pgsql |
| 21:55.27 | mindjuju | everybody knows ms sql rox |
| 21:56.02 | thebigdog | mindjuju your music has melted your brains |
| 21:56.42 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:57.13 | mindjuju | ms sql = ultra fast, cheap, secure, haw |
| 21:57.16 | mindjuju | hawt |
| 21:57.25 | herlo | mindjuju: ew!? |
| 21:58.00 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:58.14 | mindjuju | just trying to pick a fight with thebigdog, cause i don't feel like coding, but have a ton to do |
| 21:58.25 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:58.36 | thebigdog | mindjuju wants to be unproductive |
| 21:59.54 | herlo | mindjuju: welcome to the club |
| 22:00.44 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm not coming to the UPHPU meeting, but will come to the applebees afterward... |
| 22:01.59 | mindjuju | k |
| 22:02.18 | thebigdog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unRvopGXCgA |
| 22:22.49 | orsonj | is that an example of a muscle car vs a race car? |
| 22:23.54 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 22:24.00 | PoeticIntensity | both are considered "supercars" |
| 22:24.01 | thebigdog | both are street legal |
| 22:24.25 | mindjuju | k, here is a question. Let's say that you have a library of books and you want the books to be sorted in the order that is specified, ie not alpha and not numerical, an order where the client says, i want this one first, or i want that one to be second. |
| 22:24.36 | mindjuju | k, so we obviously need a sortOrder column |
| 22:24.48 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 22:25.07 | mindjuju | so here is the question, when the person up and decides, that number 15, i don't want that to be num 15 anymore, i want it to be num 50 |
| 22:25.27 | mindjuju | how is that being handled in code? |
| 22:25.44 | mindjuju | to then relate to database |
| 22:25.44 | thebigdog | just allow them to reorder it |
| 22:25.50 | unum | you should have a seperate index number from the sortOrder column |
| 22:26.02 | unum | atleast that's how I would do it |
| 22:26.10 | thebigdog | yep like how netflix does it |
| 22:26.11 | mindjuju | right, sep ID than sort order |
| 22:26.17 | thebigdog | allow them to type in a number |
| 22:26.29 | mindjuju | but i mean pragmatically, talk about a pain in the butt |
| 22:26.39 | thebigdog | not really just javascript is all |
| 22:27.03 | herlo | thebigdog: nice race! |
| 22:27.10 | thebigdog | very cool |
| 22:27.14 | mindjuju | yeah, but you have to update the database to say num 16, you're now num 15 and subtract 1 from all til 49 |
| 22:27.25 | mindjuju | then insert 15 as 50 |
| 22:27.35 | thebigdog | kinda |
| 22:27.37 | mindjuju | leave the rest alone |
| 22:27.59 | thebigdog | depends on how you do it |
| 22:28.07 | thebigdog | i would only update the ones that change |
| 22:28.30 | mindjuju | yeah so if num 15 became 50, and 16 -> 49 shifted down one... |
| 22:28.38 | mindjuju | that's like a billion updates |
| 22:28.45 | thebigdog | not really |
| 22:29.02 | mindjuju | or am i making this harder than it really is? |
| 22:29.11 | thebigdog | you are making it harder than it is |
| 22:29.41 | unum | UPDATE books SET order=(order-1) WHERE order >15 and order <50 |
| 22:29.45 | unum | would that work? |
| 22:30.10 | PoeticIntensity | quick question: what sql syntax do I use to show all processes in pgsql? |
| 22:30.21 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog.... ? ^^ |
| 22:30.29 | thebigdog | like what processes? |
| 22:30.33 | PoeticIntensity | all of em'. |
| 22:30.37 | thebigdog | connections? |
| 22:30.38 | PoeticIntensity | the ones currently being processed. |
| 22:30.40 | mindjuju | unum, i think that would work, though have never tried that in particular |
| 22:30.45 | PoeticIntensity | no... queries being executed. |
| 22:30.58 | thebigdog | not sure off the top of my head |
| 22:31.02 | PoeticIntensity | maybe that = connections... |
| 22:31.05 | orsonj | I'd just like to see the bugatti version of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrh0muW5pd8 |
| 22:31.11 | thebigdog | ps ax | grep postgres |
| 22:31.40 | thebigdog | that will show processes |
| 22:32.56 | thebigdog | also try this |
| 22:33.03 | thebigdog | select * from pg_stat_activity; |
| 22:33.38 | thebigdog | that is the same too |
| 22:33.59 | thebigdog | or this too |
| 22:34.10 | thebigdog | select * from pg_stat_activity where datname="dbname" |
| 22:34.49 | thebigdog | system tables is where you can get the most info |
| 22:35.01 | thebigdog | \d |
| 22:35.12 | thebigdog | \dS will show system tables |
| 22:35.35 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, man... |
| 22:35.40 | PoeticIntensity | looks like that's what I'm lookin' for. |
| 22:35.47 | thebigdog | coolio |
| 22:35.49 | PoeticIntensity | ack... started a query about 1.5 hours ago. |
| 22:35.54 | PoeticIntensity | still runnin'. |
| 22:35.58 | thebigdog | nice |
| 22:36.05 | PoeticIntensity | I thought it'd take 20 minutes. |
| 22:36.07 | PoeticIntensity | :-\ |
| 22:36.22 | PoeticIntensity | doing an "insert into select from" statement... |
| 22:36.32 | PoeticIntensity | where the select is returning about 1.5 million rows. |
| 22:36.37 | PoeticIntensity | does that sound right? |
| 22:38.11 | thebigdog | is that in a transaction? |
| 22:38.18 | PoeticIntensity | nope... just a query. |
| 22:38.20 | thebigdog | or are you committing on each insert? |
| 22:38.39 | PoeticIntensity | uhh.... it's all one query... |
| 22:38.40 | thebigdog | well an insert is not a select |
| 22:39.02 | PoeticIntensity | it's using the "insert into tablename (values) select from table" syntax. |
| 22:39.11 | thebigdog | did you see anything in the current_query field |
| 22:39.23 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah... it's still crunching. |
| 22:39.27 | thebigdog | so it might be committing on each one then |
| 22:39.33 | PoeticIntensity | the "waiting" has an "f" in it... |
| 22:39.40 | PoeticIntensity | not sure what that means... |
| 22:40.54 | thebigdog | did you run the query in the db from above |
| 22:41.08 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
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| 22:41.16 | PoeticIntensity | ~greet beandog |
| 22:41.17 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on beandog |
| 22:41.18 | thebigdog | what did the current_query have? |
| 22:41.28 | PoeticIntensity | the exact query I started with... |
| 22:41.30 | PoeticIntensity | here it is: |
| 22:41.32 | beandog | hola |
| 22:41.58 | orsonj | ~wash beandog |
| 22:41.59 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on beandog and says "That was for the smell" |
| 22:42.10 | PoeticIntensity | INSERT INTO sales_two_years (id,material_id,customer_id,quantity,net,gross,discount,date_sold,shipped_sap_id,returns,organization_id) (SELECT id,material_id,customer_id,quantity,net,gross,discount,date_sold,shipped_sap_id,returns,organization_id FROM sales WHERE date_trunc('year',date_sold) = '2005-01-01') |
| 22:42.27 | PoeticIntensity | probably should have changed the tablenames.... |
| 22:42.30 | PoeticIntensity | ah well. |
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| 22:43.07 | thebigdog | yeah that might take a long time |
| 22:43.33 | thebigdog | if you are talking 1.5 mill records |
| 22:43.36 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 22:43.40 | thebigdog | but 1 hours is kinda long |
| 22:43.54 | thebigdog | what type of server we talking |
| 22:44.07 | PoeticIntensity | gentoo linux. |
| 22:44.13 | thebigdog | hardware? |
| 22:44.20 | PoeticIntensity | dual proc |
| 22:44.25 | PoeticIntensity | 3.2 GHZ 64-bit |
| 22:44.34 | thebigdog | ram? |
| 22:44.37 | PoeticIntensity | 2 Gigs |
| 22:44.52 | thebigdog | that should be really fast |
| 22:45.04 | thebigdog | unless you have other things running on it too |
| 22:45.07 | PoeticIntensity | nope... |
| 22:45.10 | PoeticIntensity | that's the only thing. |
| 22:45.18 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh*... |
| 22:45.43 | thebigdog | you have indexes and stuff on the columns? |
| 22:45.49 | thebigdog | or triggers |
| 22:45.55 | PoeticIntensity | indexes, yes. |
| 22:45.59 | PoeticIntensity | triggers, no |
| 22:46.14 | thebigdog | probably updating indexes too |
| 22:46.21 | PoeticIntensity | probably... |
| 22:46.27 | thebigdog | after that finishes you might need to vacuum it all up |
| 22:46.28 | PoeticIntensity | I'm only gonna do this once, so the speed really isn't an issue.. |
| 22:46.34 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I vacuum daily. |
| 22:46.42 | PoeticIntensity | I'll just let it run. |
| 22:46.50 | PoeticIntensity | see what's going on tomorrow morning. |
| 22:46.54 | PoeticIntensity | (if it's still going when I leave. |
| 22:46.55 | PoeticIntensity | ) |
| 22:47.21 | thebigdog | yeah usually you can query that data and write to a file with copy |
| 22:47.27 | thebigdog | then use copy it insert it into the database |
| 22:47.37 | thebigdog | that is really fast and meant for this type of thing |
| 22:47.37 | PoeticIntensity | ah yes... |
| 22:47.44 | PoeticIntensity | I should have thought of that.. |
| 22:47.56 | JacobKerr | LOL I hate it when we get clients in here that what to design their whole site themselfs and tell you every little thing to do even through they have no idea what they are doing.. |
| 22:48.05 | PoeticIntensity | luckily, speed really isn't a problem on this one. |
| 22:50.14 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, you could do this too: |
| 22:51.23 | thebigdog | begin; create temp table "tablename" as select ...; copy "tablename" to '/path'; rollback; |
| 22:52.31 | thebigdog | then do: |
| 22:52.40 | thebigdog | copy newtable from '/path'; |
| 22:52.51 | thebigdog | and you can wrap that in a transaction too |
| 22:53.03 | thebigdog | begin; copy newtable from '/path'; commit; |
| 22:54.46 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha... |
| 22:56.37 | thebigdog | you can get pretty creative too with stdout and stdin |
| 23:08.01 | macnewbold | JacobKerr: I know exactly what you mean and I 100% agree... |
| 23:08.23 | thebigdog | ~hug all customers |
| 23:08.24 | jbot | ACTION jumps into all customers's lap and huggles and *hugs* all customers |
| 23:09.02 | JacobKerr | Yeah it ends up being very time consuming and a bad investment of your time and their money... |
| 23:09.06 | JacobKerr | 100 an hour LOL.. |
| 23:09.16 | JacobKerr | what we charge here.. |
| 23:09.46 | macnewbold | yeah, seriously |
| 23:10.11 | macnewbold | while $100/hr is our normal rate too, we charge extra if they're going to have us do pointless timewasting stuff |
| 23:10.14 | macnewbold | :) |
| 23:10.28 | JacobKerr | Sweet.. |
| 23:10.36 | JacobKerr | That's how it should be done I think. |
| 23:13.59 | orsonj | heh, "We charge $100/hr because we are efficient. If you want us to do it inefficently, we charge $200/hr" |
| 23:14.50 | JacobKerr | Yeah because it hurst your image.. |
| 23:14.56 | JacobKerr | hurts* |
| 23:15.12 | JacobKerr | to do something inefficently.. |
| 23:16.07 | orsonj | so, you have your portfolio segmented into two parts. Stuff we did well, and stuff we got paid insane ammounts of money to do their way. |
| 23:16.36 | orsonj | I could get used to this business model. |
| 23:16.42 | JacobKerr | LOL or you do not show that stuff and you keep it put far far away in a dark closet.. |
| 23:17.17 | JacobKerr | and def. do not put designed by: in the footer of the site LOL. |
| 23:17.39 | orsonj | heh |
| 23:18.02 | orsonj | or put "designed by: (company that paid you)" |
| 23:18.25 | orsonj | If they micromanage, they should get credit right? |
| 23:18.42 | JacobKerr | Yeah.. LOL. |
| 23:19.31 | mindjuju | mgeary, are you around? |
| 23:22.08 | orsonj | magic 8ball says Outlook not so good. |
| 23:24.04 | mindjuju | any flash gurus or aficionados in the house? |
| 23:27.41 | orsonj | ~8ball |
| 23:27.41 | jbot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: It is decidedly so |
| 23:27.49 | mgeary | mindjuju: i'm here now |
| 23:27.55 | mgeary | what's up? |
| 23:28.38 | mindjuju | hi mgeary, i just have a question to find out the name of a term that i can then go google |
| 23:28.53 | mgeary | okay.... |
| 23:29.08 | mgeary | want me to start guessing? ;) |
| 23:29.16 | mindjuju | Now, in flash, I want to have an odometer, not on page hits, but on another statistic. The number that should be used will be coming from a database |
| 23:29.41 | mindjuju | so i need flash to query a web service like 1x a second |
| 23:29.54 | mindjuju | what is the word i want to look for to find some tuts that do that? |
| 23:30.10 | mgeary | which part? querying a web service, or doing in an interval, or...? |
| 23:30.27 | mgeary | and are you using AS2 or AS3? |
| 23:31.24 | mgeary | oh sure |
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| 23:31.46 | mgeary | oy |
| 23:31.51 | mindjuju | sory about that |
| 23:31.58 | mindjuju | k, well, i guess both parts |
| 23:32.00 | mgeary | so, you may want to use a LoadVars object to retrieve your data |
| 23:32.13 | mindjuju | oh yeah! loadvars, i've heard of them |
| 23:32.29 | mgeary | and you may want to use a setInterval for the periodic aspect |
| 23:32.35 | mgeary | but AS3 changes all that |
| 23:32.45 | mindjuju | changes good or changes bad |
| 23:33.05 | mgeary | you do it differently |
| 23:33.40 | mgeary | good, really, but it made me throw away a bunch of code and re-create it |
| 23:34.09 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 23:34.21 | mindjuju | thx for the pointers! |
| 23:34.38 | mgeary | sure |
| 23:47.11 | influx^^ | Hive-mind MacGyver. |
| 23:47.42 | influx^^ | w/ 3 |
| 23:47.44 | influx^^ | w 3 |
| 23:47.47 | influx^^ | ugh |
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