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| 15:43.59 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:44.34 | influx^_^ | mornin' |
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| 15:58.50 | mgeary | morning all |
| 16:00.57 | mindjuju | morning all |
| 16:01.06 | jsmith | morning y'all |
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| 16:06.07 | cole_joplin | fog, fog, fog |
| 16:06.21 | cole_joplin | top of the monin' guv'na |
| 16:08.19 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Thursday @7p - RIA with PHP, REST and ExtJS | Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org |
| 16:08.50 | influx^_^ | RIA? |
| 16:09.09 | influx^_^ | Really Innovative Applications ? |
| 16:09.11 | mindjuju | Rich Internet Applications |
| 16:09.39 | mindjuju | that is applications that are interactive like desktop applications, but are web driven |
| 16:09.41 | mindjuju | pretty sexy |
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| 16:10.39 | mgeary | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/11/2141259 |
| 16:10.39 | mindjuju | Alvaro is going to be doing the present on this one. He's good. We've attended each others meets and he's very passionate about the topic and has done a lot of work |
| 16:10.51 | mgeary | i'd never hire someone who was bound by such a contract |
| 16:13.34 | mindjuju | agreed |
| 16:13.44 | mindjuju | on the other hand, i think it would be hard to enforce |
| 16:13.56 | mgeary | agreed. and of very questionable legality |
| 16:14.18 | mgeary | so maybe i should say, "i'd never hire someone who felt they were bound by such a contract" ;) |
| 16:15.24 | cole_joplin | The six months thereafter is not defendable in court |
| 16:16.19 | cole_joplin | At ContentWatch, they tried to pull a fast one like this, which included inventiuons and ideas outside work hours. |
| 16:16.47 | cole_joplin | but they had this :sign or leave" policy |
| 16:16.53 | mgeary | they can't do that |
| 16:16.56 | mgeary | illegal |
| 16:17.02 | mgeary | can't make a contract under duress |
| 16:17.39 | cole_joplin | So I make my "corrections", added my own loopholes, initialed them, signed, and sent it in. |
| 16:17.44 | cole_joplin | No one said a word to me |
| 16:19.00 | cole_joplin | btw, one of my loopholes was to allow me to work for a competitor, as long as I did not reveal CW methods |
| 16:19.19 | cole_joplin | which was less stringent than my initial agreement |
| 16:20.53 | mindjuju | cole_joplin, that's funny. likely the HR never went back and checked |
| 16:21.09 | mindjuju | if it filed with your "adjustments", then I think it holds |
| 16:21.22 | mindjuju | as they didn't question or ask you to sign an unamended |
| 16:21.36 | cole_joplin | No, I doubt they did. I made it clear to my boss that I would not sign it "as-is" |
| 16:23.03 | cole_joplin | I said I would send in an amended, and that if they objected to my amendments, they couod make good on their threat. Otherwise my version would be binding. I never heard a word back. |
| 16:23.35 | cole_joplin | After this many years, it's moot |
| 16:25.08 | cole_joplin | There are two big issues this raises: who far is the reach of "ideas" and who owns "skills" gathered during employment. |
| 16:25.22 | cole_joplin | sorry, how far the reach |
| 16:25.27 | cole_joplin | having trouble typing |
| 16:25.36 | mindjuju | yeah, was just thinking that |
| 16:25.59 | mindjuju | this is one part of corporate America i think needs to be resisted |
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| 16:26.13 | cole_joplin | Ultimately you can |
| 16:26.25 | mindjuju | historically, think of apprentices who learned a trade and how that helped in the evolution of tech |
| 16:26.31 | mindjuju | could you imagine this policy back then? |
| 16:26.54 | mindjuju | we'd still be running blast furnaces with bellows. |
| 16:27.34 | mindjuju | IMNSHO - this greed stifles innovation and is counter productive , like patent trolls, bad for tech |
| 16:28.25 | mindjuju | personally, i think i'd jump off a cliff rather than chase somebody for an idea i patented, never bothered to try to implement. |
| 16:28.51 | cole_joplin | If a company has investex time and money into a tech, I have no problem with a patent. But claiming any intellectual property six months afetr end of employment is clearly over-reaching |
| 16:29.17 | cole_joplin | There is a reasonable middle ground |
| 16:30.00 | cole_joplin | If future ideas can be covered, then why stop at six months? Make it ten years. |
| 16:30.48 | mindjuju | true that on future ideas, on the patents, i need to study more. I think you're right, middle ground somewhere, but not sure where |
| 16:31.46 | mindjuju | but somebody has to stop disney and their patent extensions on mickey, what are they like 60 years over the end of patent and they still get renewals? crazy |
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| 16:38.39 | unum | mindjuju: everytime the copyright is about to expire disney gets congress to retroactively extend copyrights by an other 20 years |
| 16:38.49 | unum | so they are not pass the end of "patent" |
| 16:39.08 | unum | but the orignal author died about 60 years ago |
| 16:39.41 | mindjuju | so do you feel that is a good thing or bad? |
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| 16:43.01 | orsonj | Bad, if I know unum. |
| 16:57.17 | unum | I really think the original 14 years was fine |
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| 16:57.38 | unum | if people pushed for a 20 year copyright I think that would be ok |
| 16:57.52 | unum | life of the author + 70 years is way to long |
| 16:58.12 | unum | or 90 years for a cooperation, come one really you can make your money back well before then |
| 16:59.15 | unum | the real question is do any of you feel strong enough about this issue to get involved in trying to change it |
| 16:59.47 | unum | or do you just prefer to "whine to the quoir"? |
| 17:00.18 | mindjuju | what methods of involvement do you recommend? |
| 17:00.43 | orsonj | s/qu/ch/ for those who can't read unumeese |
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| 17:13.57 | orsonj | morning PoeticIntensity |
| 17:14.04 | PoeticIntensity | mornin'... |
| 17:14.10 | PoeticIntensity | amazing talk, Orsonj. |
| 17:14.40 | orsonj | Yep. the mp3 download now occupies a permanent place on my mp3 player. |
| 17:14.49 | PoeticIntensity | not a bad idea... |
| 17:15.22 | orsonj | I didn't answer your question the other day. I have seen Meet The Robinsons. Great movie. |
| 17:15.28 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 17:15.31 | PoeticIntensity | cool! |
| 17:16.51 | mindjuju | what talk orsonj? |
| 17:17.29 | orsonj | A TED talk by Sir Ken Robinson on education and creativity |
| 17:17.39 | orsonj | http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/66 |
| 17:19.57 | orsonj | I just recently discovered that Greig's In the hall of the mountain king has a mens chorus singing at the end of the movement. All the versions I've ever heard before have only had the orchestra. |
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| 17:20.52 | orsonj | I need to find the lyrics and translation somewhere. |
| 17:22.36 | mindjuju | orsonj - VERY interesting, i'm going to have to check this site and group out |
| 17:22.46 | PoeticIntensity | it's amazing, mindjuju |
| 17:24.43 | orsonj | I just recently discovered the TED site. I believe they are also available in podcast format via iTunes. |
| 17:29.09 | mindjuju | i wonder if dataw0lf has seen it, he's a big fan of Richard Dawkins |
| 17:29.21 | mindjuju | if i remember correctly |
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| 18:14.26 | timinator | mindjuju: have you subscribed to that Nocturnal Podcast feed? |
| 18:14.37 | timinator | it's veeery niiice |
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| 18:25.43 | mindjuju | timinator, yup, way good stuff |
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| 18:29.41 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
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| 19:19.14 | JacobKerr | How hard do you guys think it would be for a moderate PHP programmer that still has allot to learn, but is a fast learner and has a good background in web design, development and internet marketing to find a full time job as a PHP developer for atleast 45K a year?? :) |
| 19:19.26 | beandog | 45k? |
| 19:19.28 | beandog | that shouldnt be hard. |
| 19:20.10 | JacobKerr | I would love, love, love more then anything to have a full time job doing web development in PHP and related languages... |
| 19:21.08 | mindjuju | JacobKerr - try CodeGreene, they may still be hiring |
| 19:21.10 | JacobKerr | right now I have to do everything from advanced CSS layouts, design, internet marketing, PHP development and copywriting.. It would be nice to have one set position. |
| 19:21.15 | JacobKerr | Cool.. |
| 19:21.33 | beandog | where is Mac anyway |
| 19:21.36 | mindjuju | the owner of the company is in this channel, but appears to be offline at the moment |
| 19:21.38 | beandog | ~seen macnewbold |
| 19:21.41 | jbot | macnewbold <n=mac@166-70-178-126.ip.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 3d 21h 57m 34s ago, saying: 'yeah, it was pretty good I thought'. |
| 19:21.41 | mindjuju | yeah, macnewbold |
| 19:21.49 | beandog | plus, I worked there. so I'm automatically karma-cool. |
| 19:21.52 | beandog | ~karma beandog |
| 19:21.52 | jbot | beandog has karma of 9 |
| 19:22.19 | mindjuju | ~karma mindjuju |
| 19:22.19 | jbot | mindjuju has karma of 5 |
| 19:22.25 | mindjuju | dag! i sux! |
| 19:22.25 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 19:22.40 | JacobKerr | so what's codegreen's web site? |
| 19:23.10 | mindjuju | http://www.codegreene.com/ |
| 19:23.14 | JacobKerr | thanx |
| 19:23.50 | mindjuju | mac is a good guy, if you get hired on, you'll be loving life |
| 19:23.59 | JacobKerr | Nice.. |
| 19:24.05 | mindjuju | they just bought air hockey, foozball and a couple other things |
| 19:24.09 | beandog | JacobKerr, where od you live |
| 19:24.17 | JacobKerr | South Salt Lake |
| 19:24.26 | JacobKerr | 3300 S 1100 East |
| 19:24.29 | JacobKerr | aprox |
| 19:24.53 | wps | why would explode('/', 'abc/') return an array with nodes? |
| 19:25.11 | wps | shouldn't it just have one ("abc")? |
| 19:25.30 | jsmith | wps: Nope... it should be an array with two cells -- the "abc" and an empty cell |
| 19:25.40 | wps | why the empty one? |
| 19:25.40 | JacobKerr | well there maybe 2 with the second being empty |
| 19:26.04 | beandog | ah, good ol Salt Lake |
| 19:26.05 | beandog | right no |
| 19:26.06 | beandog | on |
| 19:26.07 | JacobKerr | you can use isset to check if empty.. |
| 19:26.11 | beandog | JacobKerr, where are you right now? |
| 19:26.20 | bradym | wps: cause it's separating on the / |
| 19:26.28 | beandog | no, isset = evil |
| 19:26.29 | wps | right, but there's nothing to the right of the / |
| 19:26.32 | JacobKerr | The Union Park office building.. |
| 19:26.33 | beandog | :) |
| 19:26.41 | beandog | JacobKerr, no I mean who do you work for |
| 19:26.45 | JacobKerr | 7200 S 1300E |
| 19:26.49 | JacobKerr | WI Works, Inc. |
| 19:26.53 | beandog | whats that? |
| 19:26.54 | JacobKerr | AKA Utah Web Services |
| 19:26.58 | wps | I can work around it… I'm just trying to understand why it's doing what it's doing |
| 19:26.59 | beandog | oh |
| 19:27.02 | beandog | what do you do? |
| 19:27.04 | JacobKerr | http://www.utahwebservices.com/ |
| 19:27.05 | beandog | you dont do php right now? |
| 19:27.15 | JacobKerr | I am an SEO Specialist and Web Development Engineer |
| 19:27.21 | wps | you split a string on the needle and return an array for each value it finds |
| 19:27.29 | JacobKerr | I do allot of design, CSS layouts and PHP development |
| 19:27.45 | wps | if there is no value to the right of the /, then why are there two values in the array? |
| 19:27.48 | JacobKerr | I do, but not near enough.. |
| 19:27.52 | beandog | because you are splitting on / |
| 19:27.53 | bradym | it's still seeing it as a delimiter so it does the split even though there's no content after the split |
| 19:27.56 | beandog | there is a before and an after |
| 19:28.00 | beandog | even though there is nothign after it. |
| 19:28.13 | wps | weird… don't make sense to me |
| 19:28.13 | beandog | So just do current(explode(foo) |
| 19:28.16 | jsmith | wps: I prefer to use preg_split with the PREG_SPLIT_NO_EMPTY flag |
| 19:28.16 | beandog | er, ) |
| 19:28.23 | JacobKerr | I built a custom view cart page that saves and pulls from a multi dim array and calc pricing and tax if in Utah and it's all OOP |
| 19:28.36 | wps | I'll look at that… thanks, jsmith |
| 19:28.49 | beandog | no empty? |
| 19:29.16 | JacobKerr | I have built a few CMS systems here and there. and XML exports and add ons for out shopping carts etc. etc. a bunch of misc. stuff.. |
| 19:29.18 | beandog | oh, rawk, that is cool |
| 19:29.21 | beandog | ~jsmith++ |
| 19:29.33 | wps | my expression would be this, right? |
| 19:29.34 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.46 | beandog | JacobKerr, thats cool man, how long you been doing php? |
| 19:30.02 | JacobKerr | On and off for about 3 years |
| 19:30.56 | JacobKerr | just small misc stuff here and there.. I am just starting to really get into to it by using more classes etc. I think I just about have the OOP side of PHP down.. |
| 19:30.56 | jsmith | wps: Yes |
| 19:31.17 | jsmith | wps: Or you might get away with |/| as your pattern, but that tends to confuse people ;-) |
| 19:31.22 | JacobKerr | I can show you an example of some of my most recent work.. |
| 19:31.37 | beandog | thats okay, I was just curious |
| 19:31.41 | beandog | you sholudnt have a hard time finding a job |
| 19:31.56 | beandog | jsmith, what do the pipes do? |
| 19:32.06 | beandog | jsmith, instead of /foo/ ? |
| 19:32.52 | jsmith | beandog: It's my understand that it takes the very first character of your pattern as the delimiter... if you don't use a slash as your delimiter, then you can use slashes in your patterns without escaping them |
| 19:33.07 | jsmith | beandog: I just never completely remember when that works and where it doesn't... |
| 19:33.20 | beandog | Hmm |
| 19:33.22 | beandog | that is cool. |
| 19:33.26 | beandog | I hate remembering what to delimit. |
| 19:35.15 | wps | jsmith: is there a way to have the values returned not include the pattern you are splitting on or do I have to lop that character off afterwards? |
| 19:35.52 | jsmith | wps: The values returned shouldn't include the pattern |
| 19:36.09 | wps | hmm… I must be doing something wrong then |
| 19:36.15 | beandog | the pattern probably wasnt working |
| 19:36.18 | beandog | did you try /\// |
| 19:36.21 | wps | yeah |
| 19:36.24 | beandog | hmm. |
| 19:36.26 | beandog | poo. |
| 19:36.34 | wps | and it returned "abc/" |
| 19:36.39 | beandog | $foo = preg_split('/\//', $str); |
| 19:36.40 | beandog | like that? |
| 19:36.42 | wps | instead of just "abc" |
| 19:36.44 | beandog | I think thats right |
| 19:36.51 | wps | preg_split('/\//', $get_glob, PREG_SPLIT_NO_EMPTY); |
| 19:37.07 | beandog | oh |
| 19:37.10 | beandog | wrong argument order |
| 19:37.13 | beandog | 3rd is -1 |
| 19:37.27 | beandog | although that still shouldnt matter. |
| 19:37.36 | jsmith | <?php |
| 19:37.37 | jsmith | $string = "abc/def/"; |
| 19:37.37 | jsmith | $blah = preg_split('|/|', $string, -1, PREG_SPLIT_NO_EMPTY); |
| 19:37.37 | jsmith | print_r($blah); |
| 19:37.37 | jsmith | ?> |
| 19:37.51 | jsmith | That gives me: |
| 19:37.54 | wps | there, the -1 did it |
| 19:38.02 | jsmith | Array |
| 19:38.02 | jsmith | ( |
| 19:38.02 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.02 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.02 | jsmith | ) |
| 19:38.18 | beandog | are you doing some directory browsing or something? |
| 19:38.43 | wps | updating a function that allows for pretty URLs |
| 19:38.49 | beandog | ah |
| 19:38.50 | beandog | coo |
| 19:39.10 | wps | http://example.com/path/to/?value1/value2 |
| 19:39.26 | beandog | real men dont use a query string |
| 19:39.36 | wps | yeah, I'd rather not |
| 19:39.48 | wps | but because of the constraints of the CMS that I am working in I have to |
| 19:40.27 | wps | I don't have the luxury of putting the logic into the root index |
| 19:40.56 | mgeary | what's wrong with a query string? |
| 19:41.11 | wps | just that the URL would be even cleaner without it |
| 19:41.23 | wps | http://example.com/path/to/value1/value2 |
| 19:41.30 | mgeary | yeah, but that only really matters when people are actually typing the url |
| 19:41.38 | mgeary | and you wouldn't want someone typing something long and ugly anyway |
| 19:41.38 | wps | yes |
| 19:41.41 | beandog | mgeary, you can use .htaccess to have really pretty urls |
| 19:41.47 | mgeary | i know |
| 19:41.51 | wps | seems like you have looking for one of those for some time now, jsmith |
| 19:41.52 | mgeary | but i don't have a problem with querystrings |
| 19:41.55 | beandog | its prettier. :) |
| 19:41.59 | mgeary | bah |
| 19:42.02 | beandog | ;) |
| 19:42.05 | mgeary | :) |
| 19:42.06 | wps | jsmith: chad things you're the best thing since sliced bread |
| 19:42.17 | wps | he's trying to come up with a plan to get you to come back :) |
| 19:42.20 | jsmith | wps: I've started using Plone, and it works OK -- I just wish the DocBook <-> Plone integration was finished |
| 19:42.42 | jsmith | wps: Hire me at twice my former salary and let me work from home, and you're on! |
| 19:42.52 | wps | I'll let him know |
| 19:42.58 | jsmith | wps: You guys need somebody like me on your team |
| 19:43.06 | wps | definately |
| 19:43.10 | beandog | whats so great about working from home? |
| 19:43.12 | wps | we're actually hiring |
| 19:43.30 | jsmith | beandog: Not commuting |
| 19:43.37 | beandog | hmm |
| 19:43.42 | jsmith | beandog: And since I'm in Virginia, it would be a *long* commute |
| 19:43.44 | beandog | how big is your commute? |
| 19:43.46 | beandog | heh |
| 19:43.55 | wps | browsing file servers over VPN sucks though |
| 19:43.58 | jsmith | beandog: Right now... about 14 stair-steps |
| 19:44.18 | wps | your house done, jsmith ? |
| 19:44.30 | jsmith | wps: Yeah, we moved in in August |
| 19:44.36 | wps | I'd love to see some final pics |
| 19:44.45 | wps | last I saw was during the construction |
| 19:44.57 | jsmith | wps: I've got some older ones at http://www.zooomr.com/photos/jsmith/ |
| 19:45.10 | jsmith | I should go take some more |
| 19:45.38 | wps | nice, hadn't seen it with the porch on |
| 19:48.23 | mgeary | jsmith: how much land are you on? looks like you've got plenty of space to run around |
| 19:48.49 | jsmith | mgeary: I'm on 3 acres, surrounded by a whole lot more family land |
| 19:48.54 | mgeary | niiiice |
| 19:49.07 | jsmith | Yeah... let's just say a "plethora" of acres, and leave it at that ;-) |
| 19:50.17 | JacobKerr | jsmith I am an SEO Specialist are you trying to make search engine friendly URLs? |
| 19:50.38 | mgeary | so.... lesse, you're on *large* family plot out in the middle of nowhere. so, when do you build the underground FBI^D^D^D bomb shelter and stock it with guns^D^D^D^D provisions? |
| 19:50.40 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 19:51.05 | mgeary | umm. s/^D/^H |
| 19:51.11 | JacobKerr | If so I would look into force type directory.. |
| 19:54.20 | jsmith | JacobKerr: Nope... just chatting in here |
| 19:54.31 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 19:54.36 | jsmith | mgeary: We have a year's supply of food in the basement -- does that count? |
| 19:54.54 | mgeary | what about the razorwire and the dogs? :) |
| 19:55.26 | jsmith | mgeary: Chicken-wire and an old dog that's scared of everything? |
| 19:55.45 | jsmith | mgeary: I also have a whole-house generator, which is nice ;-) |
| 19:55.46 | mgeary | hahahah. cult-on-a-budget. nice |
| 19:56.00 | JacobKerr | I'm sorry I meant wps |
| 19:56.14 | jsmith | Naw, no cult activity going on here... I'm too busy to be extreme |
| 19:56.23 | mgeary | jsmith: wow, nice. what's the efficiency of that like? i've thought about trying to get off the grid sometimes |
| 19:56.42 | wps | JacobKerr: I am making them pretty for humans, not bots |
| 19:56.52 | JacobKerr | Cool :) |
| 19:56.53 | jsmith | mgeary: I don't know... we use it for power outages (and there are lots here) |
| 19:57.05 | JacobKerr | but force type directory will do it for both and it's pretty simple.. |
| 19:57.12 | jsmith | mgeary: They told me how many gallons per hour of propane it uses, but I don't remember |
| 19:57.19 | mgeary | jsmith: yeah, that's one thing that struck me on my visit to VA-- homes can be very spread out |
| 19:57.20 | jsmith | mgeary: (and they were just guessing anyway) |
| 19:57.41 | mgeary | ...which means that your infrastructure is challenging |
| 19:57.42 | JacobKerr | this site used for type directory: http://www.rocksystems.com/ |
| 19:57.59 | JacobKerr | lol typos: it uses force type directory |
| 19:59.13 | JacobKerr | use the left nav to navigate through the categories if you like I can get my co-worker to send you over the code to set it up. I think it just requires a little bit of code in an htacces file... |
| 19:59.18 | jsmith | JacobKerr: Yes, most of us are familiar with that ;-) |
| 19:59.25 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 19:59.33 | bradym | JacobKerr: got a link? when i search for force type i get an apache directive for using a specific mime type |
| 20:00.42 | bradym | i'm familiar with using mod_rewrite rules.. is that what you're referring to? |
| 20:00.52 | JacobKerr | http://www.tutorio.com/tutorial/php-alternative-to-mod-rewrite-for-se-friendly-urls |
| 20:01.24 | JacobKerr | no I'm talking about using htacces to read a file without and extension as PHP... |
| 20:01.31 | JacobKerr | an*' |
| 20:02.19 | JacobKerr | LOL and there's a few other things, but I did not set it up. I could get you the code if you like... It's pretty simple process I think.. |
| 20:02.50 | bradym | nah, i'm good -- CodeIgniter does that for me.. thanks though :) |
| 20:03.01 | mindjuju | huh funny, somebody put together a video of me in my basketball days - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GszNJ1NCWo |
| 20:04.01 | mindjuju | that guy is getting a full 2 second count air time on almost every leap |
| 20:06.16 | *** join/#uphpu cole_joplin (n=cjoplin@gw.helius.com) |
| 20:07.18 | thebigdog | is he white |
| 20:07.33 | *** join/#uphpu brasto (n=brasto@out.lnxi.com) |
| 20:07.33 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v brasto] by ChanServ |
| 20:07.33 | mindjuju | don't know |
| 20:09.12 | mindjuju | i think this is his name |
| 20:09.13 | mindjuju | kadoure Ziani |
| 20:09.34 | herlo | mindjuju: did you see my msg in #utos ? |
| 20:09.49 | mindjuju | nope |
| 20:11.28 | wps | so what's the difference between PLUG and UTOS? |
| 20:11.41 | herlo | wps: PLUG is NOT UTOS |
| 20:11.44 | thebigdog | perl |
| 20:11.48 | herlo | :) |
| 20:11.49 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:11.57 | herlo | well, okay, they are |
| 20:12.01 | brasto_away | PLUG is specific to Linux and Provo/Utah County |
| 20:12.13 | herlo | Utah Open Source provides tools and help to Open Source groups... |
| 20:12.21 | herlo | among other things |
| 20:12.25 | brasto_away | UTOS is anything Open Source and the state |
| 20:12.41 | wps | hmm… PLUG seems pretty broad in their geographic and topic coverage to me |
| 20:12.50 | herlo | wps: different goals |
| 20:13.03 | herlo | PLUG is Provo specific |
| 20:13.04 | wps | are you allowed to comment when your nick includes "_away"? |
| 20:13.15 | herlo | :) |
| 20:13.32 | brasto | wps - people do tend to post whatever they want on PLUG |
| 20:13.45 | wps | that's an understatement |
| 20:14.03 | herlo | I think PLUG has a set purpose to improve the Provo Linux/Unix community |
| 20:14.06 | brasto | :) |
| 20:14.11 | herlo | not that others can't come |
| 20:14.42 | herlo | wps: you came and left #utos so fast... |
| 20:14.43 | thebigdog | who needs plug when you have uphpu |
| 20:14.59 | herlo | thebigdog: uphpu is in the wrong county for those elites down there... :) |
| 20:15.04 | SunSparc | ~uphpu++ |
| 20:15.09 | thebigdog | exactly |
| 20:15.09 | wps | I already have five channels open… I can't monitor another :) |
| 20:15.14 | herlo | wps: hehe |
| 20:15.21 | herlo | wps: I have like 14 channels open |
| 20:15.37 | thebigdog | irc can be a waste of time |
| 20:15.45 | herlo | thebigdog: can be, and are |
| 20:15.46 | thebigdog | especially when you have 14 channels open |
| 20:16.02 | SunSparc | True, I could be WoWing instead! |
| 20:16.14 | herlo | WoW, yuck! |
| 20:16.20 | thebigdog | it happens in this order |
| 20:16.24 | thebigdog | wow -> work -> irc |
| 20:16.26 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:16.30 | herlo | my roommate lives on that when he's not at work |
| 20:16.33 | SunSparc | thebigdog: amen! |
| 20:16.43 | brasto | ~wow |
| 20:16.43 | jbot | I have no life | Lets go raid! |
| 20:16.50 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:16.54 | brasto | ~dict wow |
| 20:16.54 | thebigdog | that needs changed |
| 20:16.59 | thebigdog | i dont raid |
| 20:17.10 | thebigdog | its all about pvp |
| 20:17.17 | thebigdog | killing others in wow rocks |
| 20:17.19 | brasto | hmmm... |
| 20:17.21 | brasto | ~pvp |
| 20:17.21 | herlo | ~nice thebigdog |
| 20:17.22 | jbot | ACTION lowers thebigdog's priority |
| 20:17.29 | thebigdog | i need to post some of my videos |
| 20:17.33 | brasto | ~dict pvp |
| 20:17.34 | herlo | hehe |
| 20:17.44 | brasto | ~wiki wow |
| 20:18.29 | SunSparc | jbot, pvp is also, Player versus Player |
| 20:18.30 | jbot | SunSparc: okay |
| 20:19.30 | *** join/#uphpu gibba[w] (n=gibbagib@SLKCUTSODS0AE02.mcleodusa.net) |
| 20:27.35 | JacobKerr | How often do you guys have meetings? |
| 20:27.44 | herlo | JacobKerr: once a month |
| 20:27.50 | herlo | plus the geek lunch |
| 20:27.58 | JacobKerr | Cool, where at? |
| 20:28.11 | JacobKerr | where do you guys meet? |
| 20:29.10 | wps | JacobKerr: http://uphpu.org/events/ |
| 20:29.22 | JacobKerr | Yeah I just found it :) |
| 20:29.33 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/2t4rvb |
| 20:29.36 | herlo | there's a map |
| 20:30.37 | JacobKerr | Cool. |
| 20:31.55 | *** join/#uphpu gibba[w] (n=gibbagib@SLKCUTSODS0AE02.mcleodusa.net) |
| 20:31.59 | JacobKerr | So who went to the Geek Paintball Game? |
| 20:32.32 | JacobKerr | oh it's on the 17th |
| 20:32.36 | JacobKerr | who's going :) |
| 20:33.05 | cole_joplin | I'm going |
| 20:33.40 | JacobKerr | How much would it cost for me and my wife to go? I'm not a member now but i can sign up.. |
| 20:33.48 | JacobKerr | I have no gear so I would have to rent everythign |
| 20:34.47 | herlo | me too |
| 20:35.00 | herlo | JacobKerr: no fees for membership will *ever* be collected |
| 20:35.20 | herlo | JacobKerr: the guns are $10 $15 or $20 depending on what you want, paint is provided free of charge |
| 20:35.29 | JacobKerr | Nice! |
| 20:35.30 | herlo | guns include face protection |
| 20:35.36 | JacobKerr | sound like a ton of fun! |
| 20:35.38 | herlo | thank TierFour |
| 20:35.46 | herlo | they provided the paint |
| 20:35.51 | JacobKerr | Sweet... |
| 20:36.00 | herlo | :) |
| 20:36.02 | JacobKerr | THANX TierFour ! |
| 20:36.16 | JacobKerr | I will have to thank them on Sat. |
| 20:36.38 | herlo | :) yup |
| 20:37.19 | *** part/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@76.8.222.130) |
| 20:42.55 | JacobKerr | I am asking some of my co-workers if they want to go (SEO Specialist and other Developer) |
| 20:43.58 | JacobKerr | I use to play man hunt with my friends in the woods in Florida every weekend with paintball guns.. |
| 20:44.06 | JacobKerr | So much fun :) |
| 20:47.59 | thebigdog | timinator loves to manhunt too |
| 20:48.04 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 20:48.05 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:48.18 | timinator | ~flip thebigdog |
| 20:48.18 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:48.30 | thebigdog | he is all about the man hunting |
| 20:49.30 | timinator | are you making a sexually oriented joke, thebigdog? |
| 20:49.35 | timinator | cause it's not funny |
| 20:49.42 | thebigdog | ~laugh timinator |
| 20:49.43 | jbot | ibot laughs hysterically at timinator...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 20:49.51 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 20:49.52 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:49.56 | timinator | ;) |
| 20:50.10 | thebigdog | its all good until timinator flips you off |
| 20:50.20 | timinator | lol |
| 20:50.30 | herlo | not sure if anyone has seen this vid, but its prtty cool about the android platform from google |
| 20:51.35 | herlo | http://tinyurl.com/yrnv7w |
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| 20:55.03 | wps | that first dude isn't a good spokesperson |
| 20:55.13 | timinator | nope |
| 20:55.13 | wps | he looks like he just work up and his voice is rather nasal |
| 20:56.23 | wps | s/work/woke/ |
| 20:56.42 | thebigdog | both of them suck |
| 20:57.40 | thebigdog | lets all call erin |
| 20:57.44 | wps | he says "the web page loaded quite fast" |
| 20:57.44 | thebigdog | and see how she is doing |
| 20:57.50 | wps | huh? that loaded like dial up |
| 20:57.55 | herlo | wps: that's the co-founder of google |
| 20:59.51 | thebigdog | global time is what i need |
| 20:59.53 | thebigdog | more than anything |
| 21:01.29 | herlo | wps: it was *definitely* faster than my 755p which has evdo |
| 21:01.55 | wps | yeah, but didn't he say that it was over wifi? |
| 21:02.17 | herlo | wps: he said 3G |
| 21:02.19 | thebigdog | 3g |
| 21:02.21 | wps | ah |
| 21:02.22 | thebigdog | 3google speed |
| 21:02.23 | wps | missed that |
| 21:02.28 | herlo | haha |
| 21:02.45 | thebigdog | makes everything load quite fast |
| 21:02.59 | thebigdog | not super mind you |
| 21:03.07 | JacobKerr | lol |
| 21:03.23 | thebigdog | im telling you the global time is where it is at |
| 21:03.27 | wps | wow… sleepy-dude is back at the end of the vid |
| 21:03.31 | herlo | I've been to the embarcadero |
| 21:03.31 | thebigdog | i need a 3d model of that |
| 21:03.33 | wps | he is a horrible spokesperson |
| 21:03.51 | thebigdog | he needed a nap |
| 21:04.33 | herlo | $10million is available for developing cool apps on google's framework! |
| 21:05.48 | timinator | 10mill is a drop in the bucket to Google |
| 21:05.58 | timinator | this is a huge power move for them |
| 21:06.01 | herlo | timinator: its true |
| 21:06.18 | timinator | their services.... on the web, and now on your phone |
| 21:06.56 | timinator | double stock anyone |
| 21:07.43 | thebigdog | handheld devices is a huge market |
| 21:07.43 | timinator | $1400 Google? |
| 21:07.45 | herlo | thebigdog: but their not selling devices |
| 21:07.55 | herlo | their giving away their sdk |
| 21:08.01 | thebigdog | no..but think if you came out with on and had that on there |
| 21:08.11 | timinator | yep |
| 21:08.20 | thebigdog | its not about the software...its about the user bases |
| 21:08.23 | herlo | thebigdog: huh? |
| 21:08.24 | timinator | so, they're not locked into one handset, or even one carrier |
| 21:08.31 | herlo | thebigdog: oh, okay |
| 21:08.43 | thebigdog | yep |
| 21:08.57 | herlo | timinator: my guess, is the Handset Alliance will be the big mover and shaker with regard to phone service |
| 21:09.05 | timinator | and if they do get this 700Mghz spectrum..... |
| 21:09.20 | timinator | then handset makers will be begging to be part of the google os |
| 21:10.05 | mindjuju | ugh, more meetings than i can shake a stick at |
| 21:10.09 | unum | I like the way google does thing |
| 21:10.13 | thebigdog | sweet they hooked it into eclipse |
| 21:10.15 | mindjuju | hey, so here is a quick question for you guys |
| 21:10.26 | thebigdog | it is probably java based |
| 21:10.36 | unum | rather than coming up with their own secrete way of doing things and forcing everyone to use their products, because everyone else does |
| 21:10.46 | mindjuju | if somebody calls you up clear out of the blue and says, I need this working in the next 4 hours... a drop everything and code this... it's a paying customer |
| 21:10.48 | unum | they do everything openly and depend on their brand name to carry them |
| 21:10.54 | mindjuju | what price do you charge for that premium? |
| 21:11.06 | timinator | a bunch |
| 21:11.07 | mindjuju | double normal? |
| 21:11.29 | thebigdog | oh c/c++ |
| 21:11.34 | mindjuju | thebigdog, what you think? |
| 21:11.37 | JacobKerr | Hey for the Geek Paint Ball Game where would one go to rent the gun and mask? |
| 21:11.48 | thebigdog | depends...i usually change more |
| 21:11.54 | thebigdog | depends on what needs to be done |
| 21:11.57 | thebigdog | and time frame |
| 21:12.05 | mindjuju | 4 hrs |
| 21:12.08 | timinator | mindjuju: you only compete on 3 levels.... Service, Quality, Price..... sounds like you have the first 2, so price really doesn't matter |
| 21:12.10 | mindjuju | prolly some significant rewrite |
| 21:12.26 | herlo | JacobKerr: jtpaintballrentals will be providing some onsite, credit cards will be accepted |
| 21:13.01 | JacobKerr | So I can just go right to where the game is going to be and get them? |
| 21:13.05 | thebigdog | i wonder if you could put android on any phone now |
| 21:14.54 | thebigdog | oh cool...they wrote their own vm |
| 21:15.18 | herlo | I'm looking at buying one per a recommendation in Linux Journal |
| 21:16.07 | thebigdog | for |
| 21:18.04 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, I've been into audio recording in Linux for years... |
| 21:18.17 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: and? |
| 21:18.30 | PoeticIntensity | the RME Hammerfall is one of the best (albeit expensive) interfaces for a Linux-based DAW. |
| 21:18.38 | PoeticIntensity | I'd recommend it greatly. |
| 21:18.41 | PoeticIntensity | er... highly... |
| 21:18.45 | PoeticIntensity | although I don't have the money to get one. |
| 21:18.57 | PoeticIntensity | I got the MAudio 1010 for $400.00 |
| 21:19.17 | PoeticIntensity | works great for simultaneous multiple-track recording. |
| 21:19.39 | PoeticIntensity | what you tying to do, specifically, herlo? |
| 21:19.56 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: improve the quality of my streaming recordings |
| 21:20.08 | PoeticIntensity | what are you using now? |
| 21:20.12 | herlo | and adding content at the beginning of a recording |
| 21:20.14 | PoeticIntensity | (I use mine to record music) |
| 21:20.18 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: my line input |
| 21:20.31 | PoeticIntensity | how many streams do you need to record simultaneously? |
| 21:22.49 | PoeticIntensity | if you only need to record one stream at a time, and you're looking to improve the quality of the recording, the hammerfall is like.... deciding to buy a hummer if you only need to extend your truck-bed by 2 inches. |
| 21:23.09 | PoeticIntensity | I'd recommend the maudio 24/96. |
| 21:23.28 | PoeticIntensity | although.... if I could, I'd be buying the hammerfall.... just because. |
| 21:24.09 | PoeticIntensity | if you're interested, I've got a recording done entirely by the maudio 1010 (if you want to hear the quality) |
| 21:39.00 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: well, I am not sure what a stream is |
| 21:39.21 | PoeticIntensity | ok.... |
| 21:39.33 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: in my mind a stream is one version of audio |
| 21:39.38 | herlo | from one source |
| 21:39.42 | PoeticIntensity | for me (seems like I might be using my DAW for something different than you).... |
| 21:39.48 | PoeticIntensity | one stream is one microphone. |
| 21:39.51 | herlo | right |
| 21:39.53 | herlo | okay |
| 21:39.54 | herlo | so |
| 21:40.05 | PoeticIntensity | so.. with the 1010, I can record 8 people at the same time with 8 mics. |
| 21:40.20 | herlo | I'm looking to have about 3-4 streams and mixing it to then stream to the internet and |
| 21:40.30 | herlo | to deploy later on as a full podcast |
| 21:40.37 | PoeticIntensity | there's a 4-channel interface... |
| 21:40.41 | PoeticIntensity | *much* cheaper than the hammerfall. |
| 21:40.44 | herlo | show me |
| 21:40.47 | PoeticIntensity | brb |
| 21:40.49 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: and does it work with linux |
| 21:40.55 | PoeticIntensity | perfectly. |
| 21:40.58 | herlo | :) |
| 21:41.01 | herlo | sweet |
| 21:41.05 | PoeticIntensity | I won't consider hardware if it doesn't. |
| 21:41.08 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: that's why I asked |
| 21:41.16 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 21:41.59 | PoeticIntensity | searching... |
| 21:42.30 | herlo | thanks |
| 21:42.31 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta44-main.html |
| 21:42.32 | PoeticIntensity | there ya go. |
| 21:43.02 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.zzounds.com/item--THKMIMD442 |
| 21:43.13 | PoeticIntensity | (I do all my audio-tech shopping on zzounds.com) |
| 21:44.19 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: what do you play? |
| 21:44.24 | PoeticIntensity | drums. |
| 21:44.30 | PoeticIntensity | and vocals. |
| 21:44.33 | PoeticIntensity | and keyboard. |
| 21:44.55 | PoeticIntensity | so... I needed a way to record 8 mics at once (so I could record my drum kit) |
| 21:45.53 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: sweet |
| 21:46.24 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: one thing I faild to mention |
| 21:46.34 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... back in the day, I did a bunch of research on buying audio equipment online... |
| 21:46.37 | herlo | I want to do this with a laptop, so I'll need a cardbus component |
| 21:46.42 | PoeticIntensity | eek. |
| 21:46.55 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: yeah, and the one I pointed out had that |
| 21:46.56 | PoeticIntensity | that, I don't know.... er.... |
| 21:47.20 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... these are just PCI interfaces. |
| 21:47.25 | PoeticIntensity | so.... |
| 21:47.27 | PoeticIntensity | :-\ |
| 21:48.56 | PoeticIntensity | and... just to show off the audio recording / editing capabilities Linux has.. |
| 21:49.22 | PoeticIntensity | I present you all with a song recorded, tracked, edited, mixed, and mastered entirely on Linux. |
| 21:49.40 | PoeticIntensity | by a very non-professional-ish person. |
| 21:49.40 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: Oh, I know, but I'll be excited to listen anyway |
| 21:49.46 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.enzign.com/music/Such_Is_Life_New.mp3 |
| 21:54.33 | JacobKerr | Hey Poetic r u going to the Geek Paintball game this Sat.? |
| 21:54.55 | PoeticIntensity | doubtful. |
| 21:55.02 | JacobKerr | http://uphpu.org/2007/11/11/uosf-sponsors-geek-paintball-game/ |
| 21:55.06 | JacobKerr | dang. |
| 21:55.23 | PoeticIntensity | I have been missin' ya at my LAN parties, however... |
| 21:55.25 | PoeticIntensity | ya slacker... ;-) |
| 21:55.29 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 21:55.39 | JacobKerr | Maybe I can go next time. |
| 21:55.54 | JacobKerr | but I think my wife will want in on this paintball game, so that should not be a prob. |
| 21:56.03 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 21:58.25 | mindjuju | wps, there is some kind of script that is failing at the bottom of this page - http://uphpu.org/2007/11/11/uosf-sponsors-geek-paintball-game/ |
| 21:58.34 | JacobKerr | I'm learning Unix :) |
| 21:58.50 | JacobKerr | mkdir, ls, cd... LOL |
| 21:59.07 | PoeticIntensity | Yeah... I hear the demand for Unix devs is growing by leaps and bounds... ;-) |
| 21:59.07 | thebigdog | grep awk sed |
| 21:59.17 | thebigdog | for timinator |
| 21:59.31 | timinator | TY thebigdog |
| 22:00.24 | thebigdog | SunSparc, you wowing tonight? |
| 22:00.55 | SunSparc | thebigdog: I wish. I have a project I need to finish for the wife. |
| 22:01.04 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:01.09 | SunSparc | I got my Pally up to 34 on Saturday though |
| 22:01.11 | thebigdog | man i did that all saturday |
| 22:01.15 | thebigdog | nice |
| 22:01.15 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:01.23 | thebigdog | i got a 33 pally i need to lvl |
| 22:01.32 | thebigdog | im waitint for the new patch 2.3 |
| 22:01.41 | thebigdog | lvling will be alot easier from 20-60 |
| 22:02.00 | SunSparc | I tried to get on Saturday night be apparently all of WoW was busted. Ticked a lot of people off and I finally gave up. |
| 22:02.11 | SunSparc | Yes, that is what I hear. |
| 22:02.31 | SunSparc | Although, I rather like the challenge of leveling. :) |
| 22:03.28 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: what games do you play at your LAN parties |
| 22:03.45 | PoeticIntensity | UT2004 and Enemy Territory. |
| 22:03.51 | herlo | cool |
| 22:04.00 | SunSparc | Any Team Fortress 2? |
| 22:06.26 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 22:06.48 | PoeticIntensity | at my LAN parties, we only play games which are explicitly cross-platform (read: Linux-compatible) |
| 22:07.03 | PoeticIntensity | basically because I wouldn't be able to play if we didn't... :) |
| 22:07.50 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: really! |
| 22:07.54 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: I might wanna come |
| 22:08.02 | PoeticIntensity | dude... bring it! |
| 22:08.12 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: I'm not very good, but I learn quickly :) |
| 22:08.20 | beandog | thats okay, PoeticIntensity sucks. |
| 22:08.23 | PoeticIntensity | the new Enemy Territory : Quake Wars is amazing... |
| 22:08.30 | beandog | especially at utk2f |
| 22:08.31 | beandog | er |
| 22:08.32 | beandog | 4 |
| 22:08.33 | beandog | fail. |
| 22:08.54 | beandog | heh |
| 22:09.02 | beandog | Ive finally found my place in this world |
| 22:09.12 | PoeticIntensity | beandog comes to the LAN parties if we threaten him enough. |
| 22:09.29 | PoeticIntensity | did you listen to that song, herlo? |
| 22:10.03 | JacobKerr | That game looks prety cool.. Team Fortess 2... |
| 22:11.46 | wps | thanks, mindjuju |
| 22:11.48 | wps | fixed |
| 22:12.12 | *** join/#uphpu gibba[w] (n=gibbagib@SLKCUTSODS0AE02.mcleodusa.net) |
| 22:12.36 | SunSparc | JacobKerr: TF2 is awesome! |
| 22:13.07 | SunSparc | If you purchase it, purchase the Orange Box, then you get Portal also, the most amazing game. |
| 22:13.18 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbold (n=mac@166-70-178-126.ip.xmission.com) |
| 22:13.18 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 22:13.32 | beandog | there he is |
| 22:13.33 | JacobKerr | Sweet do you know how much it is? |
| 22:13.45 | beandog | Doesnt the orange box come with some online drm crap? |
| 22:14.16 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, just get wow and come and kill alli with me |
| 22:14.44 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: trying |
| 22:14.49 | macnewbold | g'day, all |
| 22:14.50 | JacobKerr | LOL that game's to addicting :) |
| 22:15.18 | SunSparc | JacobKerr: http://www.whatistheorangebox.com/ |
| 22:15.18 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, ok come and be an addict and kill alli with me |
| 22:15.36 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 22:15.45 | JacobKerr | I would have to invest a ton of time to lvl up.. |
| 22:16.15 | SunSparc | JacobKerr: that is half the fun |
| 22:16.21 | JacobKerr | Yeah. |
| 22:16.37 | thebigdog | but you have cool peeps to help you ;) |
| 22:17.29 | wps | hackers piss me off so bad |
| 22:17.32 | wps | get a life |
| 22:18.01 | wps | I can't believe how much time and resources we waste in this world |
| 22:18.13 | wps | …fighting against crap |
| 22:18.16 | macnewbold | wps, did you get hacked? |
| 22:18.50 | SunSparc | wps: amen! |
| 22:19.04 | SunSparc | Death to spammers and evil hackers!! (not good hackers) |
| 22:19.10 | wps | yeah |
| 22:19.24 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: did you write this too? |
| 22:19.26 | thebigdog | how did they hack you |
| 22:19.39 | beandog | hes running a mac |
| 22:19.40 | beandog | :D |
| 22:19.42 | beandog | ooh |
| 22:19.47 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:19.57 | thebigdog | but that is freebsd...so that would be sad |
| 22:19.59 | thebigdog | sad mac |
| 22:20.01 | thebigdog | :( |
| 22:20.09 | beandog | did anyone see that Mac commercial about Vista? That was freaking hilarious |
| 22:20.18 | beandog | I wonder if I can find it on the youtubes |
| 22:20.19 | thebigdog | they security one |
| 22:20.50 | thebigdog | the ps3 vs wii is really funny too |
| 22:21.00 | wps | exploiting WP file upload |
| 22:21.00 | beandog | yah? |
| 22:21.09 | wps | the stupid thing allows .php files to be uploaded |
| 22:21.11 | beandog | ah, dont feel bad wps |
| 22:21.13 | thebigdog | beandog, it is hilarious |
| 22:21.15 | beandog | wp is buggy. |
| 22:21.20 | wps | what kind of idiot developer doesn't check extensions? |
| 22:21.27 | thebigdog | wp sounds really crappy |
| 22:21.29 | beandog | thebigdog, linkie? |
| 22:21.30 | SunSparc | All the ads are here: http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/ |
| 22:21.32 | beandog | ah |
| 22:21.49 | beandog | Podium, thats it |
| 22:21.51 | thebigdog | beandog, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFoyp71xw3w |
| 22:21.51 | beandog | thanks SunSparc |
| 22:21.51 | beandog | :D |
| 22:21.55 | SunSparc | np |
| 22:22.13 | beandog | that guys hair is so nasty |
| 22:22.43 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, nope - but I did the entire production, played the drums and sang the backup-vocals... |
| 22:22.57 | PoeticIntensity | it was written by a guy named Lloyd Plumb |
| 22:23.01 | herlo | its not bad |
| 22:23.07 | PoeticIntensity | (he played the electric guitar) |
| 22:23.19 | PoeticIntensity | thanks! But the real question is... How's the production quality? |
| 22:23.41 | PoeticIntensity | My contention is that the quality could be just as good as studio-quality, if the engineer was top-notch... |
| 22:23.41 | herlo | well, its plenty good for what I need |
| 22:24.02 | PoeticIntensity | well, then... I'd recommend you save a couple of bucks, and buy the Delta 44. |
| 22:24.13 | PoeticIntensity | ever used ardour? |
| 22:24.44 | herlo | no, but I was reading about it in LJ |
| 22:24.55 | herlo | this month's edition has a 5page article on it and I was intrigued |
| 22:25.40 | thebigdog | it is killer fun to use |
| 22:26.28 | PoeticIntensity | without ardour, track-based audio production would be crippled at best. |
| 22:26.31 | PoeticIntensity | ardour is amazing. |
| 22:26.42 | PoeticIntensity | ranks right up there with protools, nuendo, etc.... |
| 22:26.54 | PoeticIntensity | (cripped in Linux, that is) |
| 22:27.04 | PoeticIntensity | bah... crippled! |
| 22:27.32 | PoeticIntensity | ardour was the main component in recording that song. |
| 22:27.38 | PoeticIntensity | jamin was used for mastering... |
| 22:28.14 | PoeticIntensity | about 10 LADSPA plugins for effects... |
| 22:28.26 | PoeticIntensity | and...... that's it.. I think. |
| 22:31.26 | *** join/#uphpu nAmir (i=Aviv@gateway/tor/x-21b59fd5cf74f7fc) |
| 22:50.04 | thebigdog | oh yeah coding and good music |
| 22:54.51 | *** join/#uphpu gibba (n=gibbagib@SLKCUTSODS0AE02.mcleodusa.net) |
| 23:02.57 | JacobKerr | PoeticIntensity: what kind of projects have you been working on recently? |
| 23:03.22 | PoeticIntensity | me? |
| 23:03.30 | JacobKerr | yeah LOL.. |
| 23:03.34 | PoeticIntensity | uhh.... just the ones for my day job. |
| 23:03.46 | PoeticIntensity | I haven't had good side-work for a bit. |
| 23:03.50 | JacobKerr | Cool, just wondering what kind of stuff they have yu working on. |
| 23:03.54 | PoeticIntensity | oh... |
| 23:04.00 | PoeticIntensity | heavy PHP / PGSQL stuff. |
| 23:04.08 | PoeticIntensity | building custom reporting system for the company now. |
| 23:04.14 | JacobKerr | Cool. |
| 23:04.26 | JacobKerr | anyway I can see :) |
| 23:04.38 | PoeticIntensity | I also had to figure out how to deal with Oracle through PHP as well. |
| 23:04.39 | PoeticIntensity | that was fun. |
| 23:04.45 | JacobKerr | Dang.. |
| 23:04.53 | JacobKerr | Always good to learn though.. |
| 23:04.55 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 23:05.02 | JacobKerr | I bet it felt good once you got that down hu... |
| 23:05.05 | PoeticIntensity | and no. It's not live yet. |
| 23:05.07 | PoeticIntensity | (yes) |
| 23:05.09 | JacobKerr | Cool. |
| 23:06.27 | PoeticIntensity | what you workin' on, JacobKerr ? |
| 23:07.28 | JacobKerr | Nothing good ever.. LOL. Just a custom view cart page, a content management system for storing client information for a company and some cron jobs and I am upgrading sunshop from 3.5 to 4.0 yay.... |
| 23:08.52 | JacobKerr | Sooner or later I will get to work on PHP development full time. I'm looking for a full time PHP / MySQL job. |
| 23:09.30 | JacobKerr | 45k to start is all I want then I can work my way up from there ;) |
| 23:10.17 | PoeticIntensity | cool.... |
| 23:10.29 | PoeticIntensity | building a custom content management system could be *very* educational.... |
| 23:10.37 | PoeticIntensity | I think that'd be kinda fun, actually.. |
| 23:13.24 | JacobKerr | Yeah but someone else started it and I do not want to do it over again so it's driving me nutz.. |
| 23:13.38 | JacobKerr | I do not want to say who but the code and structure is not very good.. |
| 23:13.40 | mgeary | ping thebigdog |
| 23:13.58 | mgeary | or ping beandog |
| 23:14.02 | thebigdog | yes |
| 23:14.05 | mgeary | hey |
| 23:14.25 | thebigdog | t |
| 23:14.33 | JacobKerr | plus you know how Steve likes to under quote things because he does not know how complex and time consuming things can be :) |
| 23:14.33 | beandog | mgeary, pongzor |
| 23:14.34 | mgeary | i seem to recall you gave beandog some tips/links on setting up email with postfix + mysql and some other system |
| 23:14.46 | thebigdog | yes |
| 23:14.52 | thebigdog | postfix + mysql or psql |
| 23:14.53 | beandog | postfix? *run* |
| 23:15.03 | beandog | ask PoeticIntensity about postfix and psql .. or maybe it was dovecot |
| 23:15.06 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:15.07 | mgeary | that's it |
| 23:15.09 | mgeary | dovecot |
| 23:15.09 | mgeary | thanks |
| 23:15.30 | thebigdog | yeah i told him how to set up postfix + dovecot + pgsql |
| 23:15.33 | beandog | believe me when I say you'll get more help from a Wendy's employee than me when it comes to mail servers. |
| 23:15.39 | mgeary | hahahaa |
| 23:16.01 | mgeary | Wendy's owes me about 4 pounds of cheese from all the "cheeseburgers" they've gypped me on |
| 23:16.07 | thebigdog | also i have done it with mysql too for timinator |
| 23:16.22 | PoeticIntensity | I've done it, too. |
| 23:16.25 | PoeticIntensity | but only once... |
| 23:16.27 | PoeticIntensity | just followed the docs. |
| 23:16.32 | PoeticIntensity | far from an expert on the subject. |
| 23:16.40 | thebigdog | mgeary, if you need help ping us |
| 23:16.48 | mgeary | thebigdog: will do |
| 23:16.57 | PoeticIntensity | and yes, JacobKerr, the whole Steve issue is *the* reason I left. He's definitely a business man. |
| 23:17.03 | mgeary | gonna start now. the big challenge is that it's on OS X :) |
| 23:17.15 | JacobKerr | Yeah I guess that's the real issue.. |
| 23:17.38 | JacobKerr | All he cares about is SEO, Internet marketing which I past onto someone else so I do not even exist.. |
| 23:17.41 | thebigdog | mgeary, that should be ok |
| 23:17.50 | mgeary | thebigdog: yeah, but it means no rpms, etc |
| 23:17.56 | thebigdog | i dont use rpms |
| 23:18.03 | thebigdog | i build from src |
| 23:18.04 | mgeary | and i'm completely ignorant of the whole pam stuff |
| 23:18.23 | thebigdog | pam is ok...just learning the concepts is sometimes difficult |
| 23:18.46 | thebigdog | get postfix up and running first |
| 23:18.51 | thebigdog | with a db if you like |
| 23:18.57 | mgeary | mysql :) |
| 23:18.58 | thebigdog | then move to dovecot after you get that running |
| 23:19.18 | thebigdog | the gentoo doc is really good for it |
| 23:19.20 | mgeary | i've already got postfix + mysql running on the machine. they just don't know anything about each other |
| 23:19.34 | thebigdog | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml |
| 23:19.40 | mgeary | cool. thanks |
| 23:19.46 | thebigdog | that doc will help you then |
| 23:19.56 | thebigdog | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml#doc_chap8 |
| 23:20.01 | thebigdog | probably start there |
| 23:20.06 | mgeary | righto |
| 23:20.06 | thebigdog | if i venture to say |
| 23:20.20 | thebigdog | skip 9 and go to 10 |
| 23:20.29 | thebigdog | now this uses courier |
| 23:20.42 | thebigdog | but you can do it with dovecot too |
| 23:20.43 | mgeary | yeah, don't need #9 |
| 23:21.13 | thebigdog | ping us if you get into trouble |
| 23:21.13 | JacobKerr | Does anyone know about Code Green's PHP / MySQL test? |
| 23:21.23 | thebigdog | but make sure you test postfix to make sure it is working |
| 23:21.28 | thebigdog | then test it with mysql |
| 23:21.30 | beandog | theres a test? |
| 23:21.34 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 23:21.37 | JacobKerr | for applicants.. |
| 23:21.40 | timinator | I bet mac does |
| 23:21.42 | beandog | oh really? thats cool |
| 23:21.42 | thebigdog | macnewbold, does |
| 23:21.46 | beandog | were doing t hat at work here too |
| 23:21.48 | JacobKerr | "programming test" |
| 23:21.52 | beandog | apparently its screened out all our applicants so far |
| 23:21.52 | beandog | heh |
| 23:21.55 | thebigdog | i want to take the test |
| 23:21.57 | beandog | me too! |
| 23:22.00 | beandog | :) |
| 23:22.02 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:22.02 | timinator | me too |
| 23:22.04 | timinator | :) |
| 23:22.05 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 23:22.12 | JacobKerr | Well I want to pass the test.. |
| 23:22.27 | unum | so if you had to store the scheduled hours for hundreds of employees how would you do it |
| 23:22.31 | thebigdog | i took a test at a java interview and noticed they stole all the questions from a cert exam i was studying |
| 23:22.42 | beandog | thebigdog, so you passed? |
| 23:22.44 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:22.45 | thebigdog | i wrote on the top...when you get original questions i will answer them |
| 23:22.51 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:22.57 | mgeary | hah |
| 23:22.59 | thebigdog | beandog, i walked out...i hate when people steal like that |
| 23:23.02 | timinator | did you get the job? |
| 23:23.07 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:23.12 | thebigdog | no i did not want the job there |
| 23:23.19 | thebigdog | i even wrote the book and page number down |
| 23:23.33 | thebigdog | they never called me back to apologize |
| 23:23.48 | thebigdog | basically they copied the questions |
| 23:23.57 | thebigdog | they did not take the test from the book only the questions |
| 23:24.09 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 23:24.11 | thebigdog | still a company that does that sucks |
| 23:24.16 | PoeticIntensity | that does say quite a bit about a company... |
| 23:24.23 | thebigdog | i could see if they said, here is a test that comes from here |
| 23:24.31 | thebigdog | we find it a good test...then yeah that is cool |
| 23:25.50 | JacobKerr | a 2 hour test.. MAN! |
| 23:26.25 | JacobKerr | how many of you know everything off the top of your head and do not reference code? |
| 23:26.41 | mgeary | it's a pencil-and-paper test?? |
| 23:26.55 | unum | I should just learn to use libraries better |
| 23:27.05 | JacobKerr | I do not know. |
| 23:27.11 | mgeary | i use the php docs frequently |
| 23:27.19 | macnewbold | if I can answer any questions for you, JacobKerr, I'm happy to... I see you got my email :) |
| 23:27.25 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 23:27.28 | unum | I program in 4 different languages here |
| 23:27.32 | unum | I look up a lot of stuff |
| 23:27.33 | JacobKerr | Hey MAC :) |
| 23:28.32 | thebigdog | unum i add different langs in as i program too |
| 23:28.40 | macnewbold | the test allows reference materials like php.net and w3schools and dev.mysql.com, we just ask that you don't copy code from elsewhere |
| 23:28.50 | JacobKerr | Cool. |
| 23:29.08 | thebigdog | question #1. what is your irc name? |
| 23:29.17 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 23:29.18 | thebigdog | question #2. if i google you what will i find? |
| 23:29.19 | macnewbold | the bottom line is that it asks you to create a simple add/modify/delete form |
| 23:29.26 | macnewbold | for a simple database with 3 tables |
| 23:29.31 | mgeary | question #3: do you consider vinegar to be a condiment? |
| 23:29.39 | macnewbold | haha |
| 23:29.52 | macnewbold | question #4: Which is wetter, "damp" or "moist"? |
| 23:29.54 | thebigdog | question #4: do you play wow (if not then do not proceed further)? |
| 23:29.57 | JacobKerr | That's good. So the max is 2 hours then |
| 23:30.04 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 23:30.07 | unum | your mom |
| 23:30.18 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:30.19 | unum | I was framed |
| 23:30.25 | thebigdog | question #5: define MVC as stated in the smalltalk dissertation? |
| 23:30.26 | macnewbold | sometimes we'll extend it a little, but usually that's long enough to see what we need to see |
| 23:30.36 | macnewbold | ~lart MVC |
| 23:30.36 | jbot | declares MVC a moron |
| 23:30.53 | thebigdog | question #6: define all forms of database normalization? |
| 23:31.06 | JacobKerr | I would prob. fall into the entry lvl or a little above.. |
| 23:31.16 | thebigdog | question #7: define all type of raid systems? |
| 23:31.25 | unum | I came to the database meeting uphpu had last winter |
| 23:31.35 | unum | that's really been my only exposure |
| 23:31.36 | timinator | Raid for Roaches, Raid for Ants...... |
| 23:31.48 | timinator | Outdoor Raid |
| 23:31.52 | timinator | ummm |
| 23:32.02 | thebigdog | question #8: are you done yet? |
| 23:32.19 | thebigdog | question #9: get ready for question 10 |
| 23:32.29 | timinator | WHOOOOO!!!! ....I didn't say it |
| 23:32.33 | mgeary | hahahaha |
| 23:32.35 | timinator | :) |
| 23:32.46 | thebigdog | question #10: define in detail the inner workings of shared memory and memory management in a 2.6 linux kernel |
| 23:32.50 | macnewbold | JacobKerr: the standard we've been hiring most of our guys by is for a "mid-to-senior level" position - if we were hiring you for a entry-to-mid position the standard would be different |
| 23:33.11 | macnewbold | and of course, if part of it were for your other skills (seo etc.) then that would be a factor too |
| 23:33.32 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 23:33.32 | thebigdog | my seo skills are s-u-c-k |
| 23:34.14 | mindjuju | oh cool macnewbold and JacobKerr are talking |
| 23:34.32 | thebigdog | ~clap mindjuju |
| 23:35.06 | mindjuju | i should get at least a whopper from whopper king for a finder's fee |
| 23:35.10 | mindjuju | if he gets hired that is |
| 23:35.23 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 23:35.24 | mindjuju | maybe fries if he's extra good |
| 23:35.38 | thebigdog | biggie sized combo dude |
| 23:35.47 | JacobKerr | ping macnewbold |
| 23:36.39 | JacobKerr | macnewbold: Can I setup an interview sometime after work 5:30 - 6:00? |
| 23:36.47 | JacobKerr | :) |
| 23:36.51 | beandog | damp is wetter. |
| 23:36.55 | beandog | do I get the job? |
| 23:38.01 | macnewbold | beandog: I don't know if that one answer can justify it, but I'll at least make sure you get an interview :) |
| 23:38.07 | beandog | rawk |
| 23:38.08 | macnewbold | JacobKerr: sure - which day? |
| 23:38.14 | beandog | My starting rate is $85k |
| 23:38.21 | mindjuju | hey, what about my whopper ? |
| 23:38.28 | JacobKerr | Hmmmm..... |
| 23:38.42 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I'll see you the whopper and raise you some fries - when are you going to be downtown next? |
| 23:39.06 | JacobKerr | Where's your office? |
| 23:39.07 | macnewbold | btw, y'all are invited to drop by our new office if you'd like - 44 Exchange Place, SLC, 84111 |
| 23:39.14 | macnewbold | funny you should ask, JacobKerr |
| 23:39.29 | mindjuju | heh, funny you say that, fungus was just telling about a place we should do Geek Lunch . was just kidding about whopper, but ya'll should come |
| 23:39.45 | mindjuju | fungus, what's the name of that one place you mentioned on that one day |
| 23:39.58 | beandog | lets just all go to my place for lunch |
| 23:40.01 | beandog | we can watch DVDs |
| 23:40.03 | fungus | Shanghi Cafe? |
| 23:40.05 | JacobKerr | downtown.. |
| 23:40.12 | fungus | State and 13th South |
| 23:40.43 | macnewbold | JacobKerr: yes, we're down town - between 300 and 400 South and Main St and State St - enter from Exchange Place or Cactus St. |
| 23:40.43 | mindjuju | yeah, that's the one |
| 23:41.31 | JacobKerr | Would 6 on fri. work? |
| 23:49.34 | herlo | I Palindrome I |
| 23:49.41 | PoeticIntensity | three cheers for TMBG! |
| 23:49.45 | PoeticIntensity | "fingertips" |
| 23:49.49 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 23:49.59 | PoeticIntensity | tracks 18-43 |
| 23:50.03 | PoeticIntensity | (or something) |
| 23:50.04 | beandog | O.o |
| 23:50.06 | PoeticIntensity | hilarious. |
| 23:50.37 | PoeticIntensity | *bam* "What's that blue thing........ DOOOOIIN' HEREEE?" |
| 23:51.05 | herlo | hehe |
| 23:52.34 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... "I found a new friend.... underneath my pillow..." |
| 23:54.56 | unum | uhh.... |
| 23:55.02 | PoeticIntensity | LOL..... |
| 23:55.13 | PoeticIntensity | "I'm havin' a heart attack...... I'm havin' a heart attack....." |
| 23:55.27 | mgeary | ~whiffle PoeticIntensity |
| 23:55.32 | mgeary | ~whifflebat PoeticIntensity |
| 23:55.37 | mgeary | hrm |
| 23:55.38 | PoeticIntensity | ~whafflebat mgearyu |
| 23:55.46 | mgeary | ~beat PoeticIntensity with a whiffle bat |
| 23:55.46 | jbot | ACTION relentlessly beats PoeticIntensity with a whiffle bat over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 23:55.46 | PoeticIntensity | ~wafflebat mgeary |
| 23:55.51 | PoeticIntensity | bah. |
| 23:55.51 | mgeary | hahah |
| 23:56.27 | PoeticIntensity | ah....... *sigh of goodness*.... |
| 23:56.42 | PoeticIntensity | anyone who hasn't experienced "fingertips" by TMBG hasn't really lived. |
| 23:57.42 | PoeticIntensity | heh... along the lines of the test for macnewbold's business.... I just finished writing a simple insert / update / modify form.... using 3 simple tables... :) |
| 23:58.08 | PoeticIntensity | and it freakin' rocks! |