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| 00:09.15 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
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| 01:47.39 | PoeticIntensity | looks like I'm gonna work a bit late tonight... |
| 01:48.18 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh* |
| 02:56.20 | orsonj | PoeticIntensity: nice entries today. |
| 02:56.26 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, man. |
| 02:56.30 | PoeticIntensity | I had a good day today. |
| 02:56.43 | PoeticIntensity | I couldn't believe that Microsoft stuff... |
| 02:56.52 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 02:56.56 | PoeticIntensity | how you liking the site? |
| 02:57.04 | PoeticIntensity | Any improvements to suggest? |
| 02:58.04 | orsonj | Yep. I finally got a termcap entry to work under aix for linux clients. Quite satisfying. I've been trying to tackle that for a couple years, but never could pin it down completly. |
| 02:58.43 | orsonj | Can't think of anything offhand. I do like it though. |
| 02:59.05 | orsonj | how much does that jump place cost? |
| 02:59.07 | PoeticIntensity | good deal! |
| 02:59.13 | PoeticIntensity | $8.00 for an hour. |
| 02:59.17 | PoeticIntensity | it's *so* worth it. |
| 02:59.25 | PoeticIntensity | anyone 3 and under gets in free. |
| 02:59.37 | PoeticIntensity | they have a place just for families (parents / small children) too. |
| 02:59.57 | PoeticIntensity | so... what's a "termcap"? |
| 03:00.04 | PoeticIntensity | please excuse my ignorance... :) |
| 03:00.12 | PoeticIntensity | termcap entry? |
| 03:00.16 | orsonj | no problem, it's somewhat complicated. |
| 03:01.00 | orsonj | The short version is: It's a serverside keymap, but It does keyboard and screen stuff. |
| 03:01.16 | PoeticIntensity | interesting... |
| 03:01.25 | PoeticIntensity | side question: what is your line of work, Orson? |
| 03:01.50 | orsonj | It explains to console programs how to output data so it shows up correctly on the screen. It also lets programs know how to expect keyboard input. |
| 03:02.02 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 03:02.16 | PoeticIntensity | my dad used to have to deal with terminal incompatibilities... |
| 03:02.36 | PoeticIntensity | he worked at Questar, programming C as a systems analyst. |
| 03:02.51 | orsonj | I do computer stuff for the USU Bookstore. My main focus is the website, but I do everything computer related. |
| 03:03.23 | PoeticIntensity | cool.... |
| 03:03.30 | PoeticIntensity | what's your emphasis? |
| 03:03.34 | PoeticIntensity | what type of computer work do you prefer? |
| 03:03.41 | orsonj | It is a really good job. flexible hours for school, wide variety of stuff to do. |
| 03:04.01 | orsonj | I am a CS major, but haven't decided an emphesis |
| 03:04.44 | PoeticIntensity | I See. |
| 03:04.45 | orsonj | I don't know what exactly I want to do, but I like programming/scripting |
| 03:05.05 | orsonj | I don't mind the web stuff. I'ts always changing and doesn't get too dull. |
| 03:05.13 | PoeticIntensity | I always thought I'd die before I had a "sit behind a desk and program all day long" type job... |
| 03:05.19 | PoeticIntensity | and guess what I do for a living now... |
| 03:05.20 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 03:05.32 | PoeticIntensity | web development is my lot in life, I guess. |
| 03:05.39 | PoeticIntensity | PHP / DB stuff came so naturally... |
| 03:06.26 | orsonj | The thing I like most about my job is when people have problems and I come in to see what the problem is, and it's magicly fixed! |
| 03:07.01 | PoeticIntensity | couldn't have phrased it better... |
| 03:07.12 | PoeticIntensity | that's the part of web dev I love. |
| 03:07.13 | orsonj | It happens often enough that I have developed the inklings of a theory of why it works. |
| 03:07.46 | PoeticIntensity | OH! hehe... you mean "magically" as in really "magically"... like... you go in there and boom, the problem is gone without you doing anything.. |
| 03:07.57 | PoeticIntensity | I've experienced that myself a *lot* |
| 03:08.02 | PoeticIntensity | I'd love to hear your theory, though. |
| 03:08.43 | orsonj | Part of it is random errors occur (think packet collision, timeout due to network congestion, etc.) |
| 03:10.27 | orsonj | The other part is user error. You know how you are working on something and you just can't figure it out, then you get interrupted and later come back, then you suddenly know what to do. I think walking in and asking people to show you the problem interrupts their thought process enough that they get out of their mental block enough to figure it out. |
| 03:12.04 | orsonj | Usually they don't even notice that they figured it out on their own. |
| 03:12.12 | PoeticIntensity | interesting... |
| 03:12.19 | PoeticIntensity | I've noticed that quite a bit myself... |
| 03:12.48 | PoeticIntensity | figuring out stuff while I'm lying bed, or after lunch, or some time after I've stopped the "banging my head against a brick-wall" syndrome... |
| 03:13.01 | PoeticIntensity | so... I imagine that could happen to non-geeks as well.. :) |
| 03:16.07 | orsonj | oh, yeah, and termcap has been superceded by terminfo, but some older stuff still uses it. |
| 03:17.18 | orsonj | I don't know if you've seen/heard it, but I posted a reply to your robinsons entry with a talk by Ken Robinson that is amazing. |
| 03:17.31 | orsonj | a link to a talk that is. |
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| 03:46.15 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I saw that. |
| 03:46.23 | PoeticIntensity | I'm gonna take a look at it tomorrow, for sure. |
| 03:46.35 | PoeticIntensity | have you seen "Meet The Robinsons" ? |
| 04:02.48 | PoeticIntensity | have a great weekend, all! |
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| 20:24.46 | jgiboney | why is xmission's dsl price a lot lower than other dsl providers? |
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| 20:27.33 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju! sup, bro |
| 20:27.50 | mindjuju | howdy Utah_Dave! |
| 20:28.04 | Utah_Dave | heya |
| 20:28.18 | mindjuju | what you up to on this fine saturday? |
| 20:28.57 | Utah_Dave | I'm doing some database design |
| 20:29.15 | Utah_Dave | I have to meet with a new client on Monday and I want to have as much done beforehand as I can |
| 20:29.31 | mindjuju | that cool! |
| 20:29.43 | mindjuju | do you have a little consulting gig on the side? |
| 20:29.55 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I've been getting a lot lately |
| 20:30.03 | jgiboney | why is xmission's dsl price a lot lower than other dsl providers? |
| 20:30.16 | mindjuju | because xmission is hawt |
| 20:30.26 | jgiboney | hawt? |
| 20:30.37 | jgiboney | hot? |
| 20:31.04 | mindjuju | yeah, uh, actually, i don't know why specifically |
| 20:31.11 | mindjuju | i just think xmission rox |
| 20:31.19 | mindjuju | have a couple of servers in their colo |
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| 20:31.35 | mindjuju | timinator! |
| 20:31.43 | timinator | mindjuju!!! |
| 20:31.45 | mindjuju | dude, are we all working on Saturday? |
| 20:31.57 | timinator | Sure am! |
| 20:32.02 | orsonj | yep |
| 20:32.05 | jgiboney | they say something about getting two different invoices, so I wasn't sure if it is 15 for the dsl and more for the isp |
| 20:32.23 | mindjuju | orsonj! |
| 20:32.25 | Utah_Dave | dang. We're all workaholics |
| 20:32.29 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:32.30 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 20:32.40 | timinator | addicted to $$ |
| 20:32.55 | Utah_Dave | jgiboney: usually you pay like 15 for the dsl and then 15 or more for the isp |
| 20:32.57 | timinator | or code |
| 20:33.05 | Utah_Dave | timinator: true that. |
| 20:33.15 | orsonj | 10 credits of school + 30 hrs work = working weekends. |
| 20:33.19 | timinator | or techno induced code |
| 20:33.50 | jgiboney | so then xmission isn't really that much cheaper |
| 20:34.01 | timinator | oh, a young pup! orsonj: it's only the beginning man |
| 20:34.12 | orsonj | yep |
| 20:34.22 | mindjuju | all of my best code has been techno induced .. i'm the Edgar Allen Poe of Coding! EAP - wrote, I code; EAP needed crack or what ever it was to write, I need techno |
| 20:34.37 | timinator | di.fm++ |
| 20:34.46 | Utah_Dave | my best code is Rage Against the Machine induced |
| 20:35.17 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to listen to a whole album of RATM just to see what they sound like |
| 20:35.29 | mindjuju | i always tease dataw0lf about them, but i should give them a chance |
| 20:36.01 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 20:36.21 | Utah_Dave | it's definitely different than techno |
| 20:36.40 | Utah_Dave | but they are VERY political, so you might like their lyrics |
| 20:37.41 | mindjuju | i like different stuff, except for Rancera music |
| 20:38.12 | mindjuju | oops, Ranchera |
| 20:46.48 | timinator | anyone ever work with Grocery Store Software? |
| 20:47.06 | mindjuju | sorry, haven't |
| 20:47.41 | timinator | np |
| 20:48.02 | orsonj | what type of software? POS? |
| 20:48.18 | orsonj | Inventory, web retail? |
| 20:49.13 | timinator | thinking more of inventory |
| 20:49.27 | timinator | would like to connect to a website |
| 20:49.51 | timinator | I'm kicking tires on a project right now |
| 20:49.54 | timinator | :) |
| 20:50.03 | timinator | so I don't have that many details |
| 20:50.59 | orsonj | The one I deal with does a catalog export 3 times a day to push to the web database. |
| 20:51.33 | orsonj | catalog == web catalog + inventory + prices. |
| 20:51.38 | timinator | cool |
| 20:51.47 | timinator | XML? CSV? |
| 20:52.07 | orsonj | hacked up *%$# *$ *%$#%$ |
| 20:52.20 | timinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.31 | orsonj | I don't actually have to deal with that part. |
| 20:52.40 | orsonj | I don't know the details |
| 20:53.08 | orsonj | but our inventory system is years out of date |
| 20:53.23 | timinator | hmmph ....most are |
| 20:53.25 | timinator | :) |
| 20:54.17 | mindjuju | timinator, what channel on DI are you listening to? |
| 20:54.58 | timinator | EuroDance... but thinking of switching |
| 20:55.44 | mindjuju | eurotrance had nocturnal on, it was pretty good |
| 20:55.47 | mindjuju | they mentioned this |
| 20:55.52 | mindjuju | http://www.mattdarey.com/v2/ |
| 20:56.07 | mindjuju | about 1/2 way down there is a link for free podcast |
| 20:56.11 | mindjuju | update 1x monthly |
| 20:56.14 | mindjuju | but it was pretty good |
| 20:57.43 | timinator | listening..... sounds good |
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| 20:58.02 | timinator | hey fungus... join the party! |
| 20:58.48 | fungus | What party? |
| 20:59.06 | timinator | the UPHPU party |
| 20:59.09 | timinator | there's techno |
| 20:59.10 | timinator | code |
| 20:59.22 | fungus | lol |
| 20:59.24 | timinator | and I'm sure we can come up w/ beverages if necessary |
| 20:59.26 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:59.59 | fungus | isn't that always the case |
| 21:00.34 | orsonj | I guess my neighbor either has no wifi or a good setup. |
| 21:00.44 | timinator | LOL, yes |
| 21:00.57 | timinator | :) |
| 21:01.04 | timinator | I'll share w/ ya orsonj |
| 21:01.06 | fungus | just sniff it out |
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| 21:11.47 | timinator | mindjuju: that's an awesome podcast.... subscribing. |
| 21:19.46 | orsonj | http://tetratech.info/orson/no_free_wifi.jpg |
| 21:21.28 | Utah_Dave | nice antenna! |
| 21:24.40 | orsonj | heh, I got this nice little linksys wifi-G usb adapter that works perfectly with recent ubuntus |
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| 21:31.22 | orsonj | fungus: while you were gone: http://tetratech.info/orson/no_free_wifi.jpg |
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| 21:42.11 | Utah_Dave | fungus: have you connected to mysql over ssh before? I'm reading a couple how-to's to get it set up |
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| 22:06.29 | fungus | for command line access? |
| 22:06.37 | fungus | or forwarding a port. |
| 22:06.40 | fungus | both would work |
| 22:09.15 | fungus | ssh -L 3306:mysqlserver:3306 sshgatewayserver |
| 22:09.20 | fungus | mysql -h localhost |
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