| 00:00.29 | influx^^ | It needs more quotebell |
| 00:00.30 | influx^^ | . |
| 00:00.35 | influx^^ | """experts""". |
| 00:03.46 | josephscott2 | sessions quickly turn into serious voodoo if you have to share them across multiple front end web servers |
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| 00:04.18 | thebigdog | if you have to do that then i suggest ibm webseal |
| 00:04.22 | thebigdog | that rocks the world |
| 00:04.40 | thebigdog | part of the ibm tivoli suite |
| 00:05.47 | josephscott2 | for a php app? |
| 00:07.50 | thebigdog | for sharing sessions across servers |
| 00:08.56 | josephscott2 | URL? |
| 00:10.01 | pelaofeliz | we use a simple mysql DB for session sharing -- it was quite simple to put together -- only a few 10s of lines of code... |
| 00:10.31 | josephscott2 | pelaofeliz: how are dealing with race conditions? exclusive locking your mysql session data? |
| 00:11.10 | pelaofeliz | I'm not sure what you mean -- a myisam table locks the entire table on all writes, anyway... |
| 00:12.47 | josephscott2 | it's a long read: http://thwartedefforts.org/2006/11/11/race-conditions-with-ajax-and-php-sessions/ |
| 00:14.18 | pelaofeliz | ah |
| 00:14.27 | mindjuju | cool article |
| 00:14.43 | josephscott2 | having async calls to session data is icky |
| 00:15.02 | pelaofeliz | nope, never had a problem with that -- all our ajax stuff is read-only to the session, so we haven't run into that yet |
| 00:15.08 | josephscott2 | the built in php sessions cheat by being able to flock the session data |
| 00:15.15 | pelaofeliz | but yeah, that would be a fairly simple tweak to prevent that |
| 00:15.48 | josephscott2 | true enough, but how much code out there doesn't actually take that into consideration? |
| 00:16.10 | pelaofeliz | ...though you'd have to decide what to do about timeouts |
| 00:16.29 | josephscott2 | like I said, introduces the "icky" :-) |
| 00:16.57 | pelaofeliz | nothing terrible, though |
| 00:30.17 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
| 00:30.22 | mindjuju | laterz |
| 00:30.43 | timinator | << happy to cash out for today >> |
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| 01:38.43 | mindjuju | ooo, that's hawt |
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| 01:57.17 | mindjuju | curious article about Microsoft Linux being a possibility - http://opseast.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/microsoft-linux-hahaha-er-wait-a-second/ |
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| 04:15.41 | Jacob | hello |
| 04:16.03 | Jacob | Does anyone know of a good open source PHP / MySQL project? |
| 04:17.14 | mindjuju | not sure i follow, what are you looking for? |
| 04:17.22 | mindjuju | like a project manager? |
| 04:18.01 | Jacob | I want a project to work on... |
| 04:18.09 | Jacob | for experience.. |
| 04:18.12 | Jacob | and credit |
| 04:18.38 | Jacob | I do not get to do as complex of things at work as I would like.. |
| 04:19.02 | Jacob | I guess I could just finish building my "Save a Search" LOL |
| 04:19.02 | mindjuju | hmmm... there are several people doing cool projects |
| 04:19.12 | Jacob | it's saves all the searches on an eccomerce site.. |
| 04:19.23 | Jacob | lol |
| 04:19.56 | Jacob | k I would like to help, do you know how I can get in touch with them? |
| 04:20.07 | mindjuju | i don't know if tierra is looking for assistants, but here is one - http://svnlogbrowser.org/ |
| 04:20.23 | mindjuju | tierra is here in this list |
| 04:20.32 | mindjuju | or, rather, in this IRC |
| 04:20.44 | mindjuju | let's see, macnewbold used to write code for flyspray |
| 04:20.50 | Jacob | commits.. |
| 04:21.05 | mindjuju | http://flyspray.org/ |
| 04:21.06 | Jacob | LOL comments? |
| 04:21.43 | mindjuju | well, most of these guys are out until morn |
| 04:22.47 | mindjuju | can't really think of any other projects at this time |
| 04:23.15 | Jacob | k thanx |
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| 05:19.57 | Jacob | what does :: meen in PHP |
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| 05:24.48 | mindjuju | Jacob, sorry didn't see your question til now |
| 05:25.02 | mindjuju | since its late i won't know to check unless you call me by name in the IRC |
| 05:25.11 | mindjuju | here is your answer - http://www.php.net/manual/en/keyword.paamayim-nekudotayim.php |
| 05:25.15 | Jacob | Thanx :) |
| 05:25.55 | Jacob | Oh nice! That's pretty handy... |
| 05:26.01 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 05:26.21 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 05:26.31 | thebigdog | not much |
| 05:26.38 | thebigdog | working tonight |
| 05:26.47 | mindjuju | oh, thought you'd be playing WoW |
| 05:27.06 | Jacob | so it kind of like extending a class right. |
| 05:27.10 | thebigdog | i was |
| 05:27.14 | thebigdog | but needed a break |
| 05:27.19 | mindjuju | :) |
| 05:27.53 | herlo | very interesting |
| 05:28.00 | mindjuju | Jacob is looking for an OSS project involving mySQL and PHP to cut his teeth on and to build street cred , i mentioned tierra and macnewbold (svnlogbrowser, flyspray) |
| 05:28.06 | mindjuju | can you think of anything else? |
| 05:29.08 | herlo | an easy thing to do would be to create a wordpress plugin... |
| 05:29.12 | herlo | or theme |
| 05:29.20 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 05:29.24 | Jacob | Good idea.. |
| 05:29.33 | herlo | easy enough to do, and requires db knowledge to a point |
| 05:29.37 | Jacob | I work with wordpress allot. |
| 05:29.41 | herlo | get you familiar with php constructs... |
| 05:30.00 | herlo | and how it interfaces with the db. may not be the best in code, but its not the worst I've seen |
| 05:30.24 | mindjuju | herlo, did you see that thing on ms linux? |
| 05:30.35 | Jacob | I'm pretty familiar with how PHP interfaces with DB I think.. |
| 05:30.49 | herlo | mindjuju: vixta? |
| 05:30.54 | Jacob | I wrote a few class for my connections, geters and seters etc.. |
| 05:31.03 | mindjuju | herlo - http://opseast.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/microsoft-linux-hahaha-er-wait-a-second/ |
| 05:31.28 | mindjuju | not vixta, i thought that was a vista GUI for linux, or am i thinking of something else? |
| 05:32.29 | herlo | mindjuju: vixta was a variant of Fedora 8, yet to be released |
| 05:32.41 | herlo | mindjuju: and I've heard this rhetoric you speak of before. |
| 05:32.56 | herlo | mindjuju: I expect that something of this caliber *could* happen |
| 05:33.08 | Jacob | Does anyone have a good idea for a wordpress plugin? |
| 05:33.12 | herlo | but I doubt that M$ would just throw away the code to vista... |
| 05:33.17 | herlo | Jacob: sure |
| 05:33.25 | Jacob | Sweet! |
| 05:33.58 | herlo | Jacob: create a plugin that does a multi-response poll. It needs to be similar to the democracy poll except that there are a few features lacking |
| 05:34.04 | herlo | one is the multi-response |
| 05:34.31 | Jacob | Hmmm... |
| 05:34.31 | herlo | another is that the items in the poll can't be rearranged so as to do deletes. |
| 05:35.30 | herlo | Jacob: if you don't like that idea, I think that another thing to write would be a widget where you could include your own php code... |
| 05:35.45 | Jacob | Cool.. |
| 05:38.53 | mindjuju | man, i love it when the bass is kickin' so hard the speakers generate a breeze of wind |
| 05:38.53 | herlo | Jacob: so whatever you like... |
| 05:39.06 | Jacob | Yeah im just looking into the poll.. |
| 05:39.11 | Jacob | Sounds like a good idea.. |
| 05:40.33 | herlo | Jacob: the poll is nice, but limited is all |
| 05:41.28 | Jacob | yeah, Im sure there's allot of room for improvement |
| 05:41.34 | herlo | Jacob: allot? |
| 05:41.44 | herlo | Jacob: do you mean "a lot"? |
| 05:41.58 | Jacob | a lot :) |
| 05:42.01 | herlo | hehe, okay |
| 05:42.24 | Jacob | Well I got to go, thank you all for your help. |
| 05:42.32 | mindjuju | cya jacob |
| 05:42.39 | mindjuju | come back in the daytime, there are more of us here |
| 05:43.28 | herlo | Jacob: adios, let us knwo what you come up with |
| 05:43.37 | Jacob | yeah I log on during the day every one in a while. I am working on a PHP / MySQL project tom. for a CMS system so I will be on thanx.. |
| 05:44.00 | mindjuju | ugh, i wish the office cleaners could vacuum in the dark, i hate it when they turn on the lights |
| 05:44.29 | herlo | mindjuju: the light, it *burns* us! |
| 05:44.43 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 05:44.53 | mindjuju | i've been @ my desk since 8:45a |
| 05:44.58 | mindjuju | i'm tired |
| 05:45.20 | mindjuju | last thing i need a is hallway full of fluorescent light shining in my office |
| 05:47.06 | mindjuju | i've got an idea for a wordpress plugin, but don't want to say it until i write it... cause it's hawt of course |
| 05:47.10 | mindjuju | a super functional! |
| 05:50.27 | mindjuju | ~stressed |
| 05:50.28 | jbot | Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking! |
| 05:50.57 | mindjuju | ~stressed |
| 05:50.58 | jbot | Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking! |
| 05:51.15 | mindjuju | oh, that's funny |
| 05:53.57 | mindjuju | must focus... must focus... on finishing |
| 05:54.35 | herlo | mindjuju: haha, nice one, hog the plugin creds for yourself :) |
| 05:55.05 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
| 05:55.14 | mindjuju | nah, this isn't something crazy useful |
| 05:55.23 | mindjuju | but i think unique, sexy and cool |
| 05:55.35 | mindjuju | prolly make me like a billion dollars |
| 05:56.13 | mindjuju | i'll be rich and fly to bora bora with my family, my laptop and some kind of way to do internet from there |
| 05:57.27 | herlo | mindjuju: write it already! |
| 05:57.50 | herlo | then, you can quit your job, retire early and spend all of your days lazily drinking mai tai's on the beach! |
| 05:58.04 | mindjuju | oh yeah, that's what i want |
| 05:58.14 | mindjuju | freakin' floatin on a boat in bora bora |
| 05:58.28 | herlo | what a name, bora bora! |
| 05:58.54 | mindjuju | white sand beaches, blue blue water |
| 05:59.15 | herlo | cool associations for one |
| 06:00.30 | mindjuju | yeah, you get to associate with thebigdog |
| 06:01.06 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, that too. |
| 06:01.31 | herlo | what is cool is that you can note foreign keys simply by saying their foreigh keys. With mysql its a bit more abstract... |
| 06:04.38 | thebigdog | with mysql it sucks |
| 06:05.48 | mindjuju | yeah, but in ms sql it rox |
| 06:05.59 | mindjuju | ms sql rox over postgreSQL |
| 06:34.08 | thebigdog | that is a negative ghost rider |
| 06:43.33 | herlo | the pattern is full |
| 06:43.51 | herlo | ~lart mssql |
| 06:43.51 | jbot | shoots mssql in his sleep |
| 07:05.32 | mindjuju | too funny |
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| 13:24.15 | Utah_Dave | ~ping macnewbold |
| 13:24.16 | jbot | pong macnewbold |
| 13:29.17 | Utah_Dave | ~wake macnewbold |
| 13:29.17 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on macnewbold and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 13:29.28 | influx^^ | herro |
| 13:29.35 | influx^^ | !summon macnewbold |
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| 15:57.09 | Utah_Dave | morning everyone |
| 15:57.55 | mindjuju | morning Utah_Dave |
| 15:58.15 | Utah_Dave | how many hours have you been up, mindjuju? |
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| 15:58.20 | mindjuju | poor macnewbold, ya'll trying to wake him up? |
| 15:58.36 | mindjuju | me, i actually went to sleep @ 2a and woke up at 7:30a |
| 15:58.44 | mindjuju | so i feel like $10 |
| 15:59.01 | mindjuju | u? |
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| 16:00.12 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
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| 16:01.38 | timinator | sup mindjuju |
| 16:01.55 | timinator | little Paul Van Dyke on my way to work this morning |
| 16:01.57 | timinator | :) |
| 16:02.03 | mindjuju | nice! |
| 16:02.08 | timinator | yes sir |
| 16:02.29 | timinator | now on to di.fm |
| 16:02.48 | mindjuju | breaks has adam freeland - coastal beats |
| 16:02.51 | Utah_Dave | early to bed, early to rise. I got up at 5:00 this morning |
| 16:03.20 | mindjuju | 5a? -- that's a sin |
| 16:04.11 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it kind of hurt |
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| 16:04.31 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: did you ever find a good sms solution? I'm actually supposed to start developing on mine this week |
| 16:05.29 | mindjuju | not yet, doing shopping still, but looking at Clickatell |
| 16:06.17 | mindjuju | i wonder, can asterisk handle that too? |
| 16:06.21 | mindjuju | SMS? |
| 16:06.33 | Utah_Dave | I'm actually not sure. |
| 16:06.49 | mindjuju | ~APB jsmith |
| 16:06.49 | jbot | ACTION calls Dog the Bounty Hunter to spray mace at jsmith |
| 16:07.29 | mindjuju | clickatell seems to have best price, coverage, still trying to findinfo on reliability |
| 16:08.10 | mindjuju | http://www.clickatell.com/ |
| 16:08.15 | jsmith | mindjuju: Yes? |
| 16:08.34 | jsmith | mindjuju: (BTW, I just took some great photos to make you jealous of the colors here in Virginia) |
| 16:08.41 | mindjuju | hi jsmith. can asterisk handle SMS messaging? |
| 16:08.46 | jsmith | mindjuju: Nope |
| 16:09.07 | mindjuju | ack! man, i miss virginia. if i have to put up with the cold, i should at least have decent trees to go with it |
| 16:09.09 | jsmith | mindjuju: Well, I take that back... *if* you live in the UK and subscribe to an SMS-over-analog-phone-line service, then yes |
| 16:09.12 | jsmith | mindjuju: Otherwise, no |
| 16:09.43 | mindjuju | have you heard good or bad about clickatell as an SMS gateway? |
| 16:10.09 | mindjuju | they seem pretty good, but telephony isn't my strong point |
| 16:11.50 | jsmith | Never heard of them |
| 16:11.55 | jsmith | Then again, I don't do SMS |
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| 16:27.12 | mgeary | morning |
| 16:27.21 | mindjuju | morning mgeary |
| 16:27.40 | mindjuju | i'm doing that after work |
| 16:31.01 | influx^^ | Do any of you play around with music? I mean, do you fiddle around with audio programs? |
| 16:31.32 | mindjuju | yeah, several of us |
| 16:31.41 | influx^^ | :D |
| 16:31.42 | mindjuju | beandog does |
| 16:31.54 | mindjuju | i think PoeticIntensity does |
| 16:32.05 | influx^^ | Excellent. I have something I started playing around with a few hours ago. I'm liking it so far. |
| 16:32.13 | mindjuju | what is it? |
| 16:32.14 | influx^^ | ...and I shall burden your ears soon enough. |
| 16:32.21 | influx^^ | One sec. |
| 16:32.24 | mindjuju | k |
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| 16:37.37 | influx^^ | http://www.nuclearpixel.com/~influx/Thorlicious.mp3 |
| 16:39.06 | orsonj | heh, the beginning reminds me of the orig star trek. :) |
| 16:39.25 | influx^^ | Of the series or the theme song? |
| 16:39.40 | mindjuju | yeah, that was pretty cool. timinator should hear it |
| 16:39.40 | influx^^ | I don't even remember how it goes. |
| 16:39.52 | influx^^ | :) |
| 16:40.07 | orsonj | just the sound effects, not the music style. |
| 16:40.11 | influx^^ | Ah. |
| 16:40.14 | influx^^ | Heh. |
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| 16:40.45 | orsonj | I'll have to listen to the whole thing when I grab my headphones |
| 16:42.29 | timinator | that's cool |
| 16:42.38 | influx^^ | si |
| 16:42.52 | influx^^ | I put on my cheap-o pair of earphones on and it sounds better than through the laptop's speakers. |
| 16:43.23 | influx^^ | I remember when I used to play with Fruity Loops and eJay. |
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| 16:50.41 | influx^^ | ooh |
| 16:50.49 | influx^^ | my acidplanet account is still open |
| 17:09.25 | Utah_Dave | macnewbol1: can I pm you? |
| 17:22.07 | orsonj | I found a building yesterday that didn't have a sign: "Roof Access, Authorized Personel Only" |
| 17:30.31 | mindjuju | i love that auto away |
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| 17:49.10 | thebigdog | any network guys on |
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| 18:17.25 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
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| 18:17.53 | mindjuju | psh |
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| 19:33.25 | synic | mindjuju: ravetrax has Tranceport on :o |
| 19:33.38 | mindjuju | synic, where that at? |
| 19:33.44 | mindjuju | Oakenfold Tranceport? |
| 19:33.49 | synic | yeah |
| 19:33.52 | synic | http://scfire-dll-aa01.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1999 |
| 19:33.56 | mindjuju | love that one, haven't heard it in a while |
| 19:34.04 | dataw0lf | uns uns uns uns uns |
| 19:36.01 | mindjuju | nice, and it just started too |
| 19:36.17 | mindjuju | timinator - check out Synic's link - http://scfire-dll-aa01.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1999 |
| 19:36.23 | mindjuju | classic Paul Oakenfold |
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| 19:36.37 | timinator | ....checking |
| 19:36.49 | timinator | thx |
| 19:50.32 | synic | imo, this is where the mix gets good :) |
| 19:51.00 | synic | ascension++ |
| 19:51.12 | mindjuju | i like the end the best, like last 15 minutes |
| 19:51.26 | mindjuju | but the whole thing is awesome |
| 19:51.37 | synic | "imagine yourself ... as the gamemaster" |
| 19:51.42 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:52.08 | mindjuju | i haven't heard anything he's done that was this good, since he did that goa mix back in 2k4 |
| 19:52.24 | dataw0lf | http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/bstephens/?id=110010827 |
| 19:52.48 | dataw0lf | How did conservatives go from tactical geniuses to all-around tactical idiots? Discuss. |
| 19:55.27 | synic | mindjuju: I've got a mix that kicks some butt, called "Great Wall" |
| 19:56.23 | synic | wait, maybe that's not it. |
| 19:56.26 | synic | hrm |
| 19:57.13 | synic | oh, no, it's "Dance Department" |
| 19:57.35 | mindjuju | i'll have to look for that one. I heard great wall but don't remember how it goes, might have it here at work |
| 19:57.48 | mindjuju | but dance dept. doesn't (on the name) sound familiar to me |
| 20:00.43 | mindjuju | that's an interesting article dataw0lf |
| 20:01.16 | dataw0lf | it's a stupid article. The author is a complete idiot. |
| 20:01.42 | mindjuju | can you further describe your stance? |
| 20:02.09 | dataw0lf | There's a significant difference between torturing someone and bombing civilian targets, and here it is: |
| 20:02.14 | dataw0lf | It's not a morality issue whatsoever. |
| 20:02.28 | dataw0lf | Bombing civilian targets is strategically important, at certain times. |
| 20:02.43 | dataw0lf | All torturing terrorists does is provide faulty intelligence, and hinder efforts to stop terrorism. |
| 20:02.50 | dataw0lf | One is good, strategically and tactically. |
| 20:02.53 | dataw0lf | The other isn't. |
| 20:03.17 | dataw0lf | I couldn't care less if you torture Ahmed Jubutu Sheemahd or whatever the terrorist's name may be. |
| 20:03.26 | dataw0lf | In a moral sense. |
| 20:03.32 | dataw0lf | Tactically, however, it's incredibly stupid. |
| 20:03.49 | dataw0lf | We've discovered this and proven this time and time again. |
| 20:06.57 | mgeary | another distinction is that WWII consisted of warring states. there was an implied sanction by the german/japanese people of the waging of war by their elected officials |
| 20:07.26 | dataw0lf | yes, there is the whole ridiculous idea that there is a "War on Terror" and it can be solved with conventional warfare means. |
| 20:07.35 | dataw0lf | but that's relatively besides the point in the context of the article. |
| 20:07.39 | mgeary | yes |
| 20:07.56 | mindjuju | i wonder how Colin Powell's idea would have faired ? |
| 20:08.02 | mgeary | though for me it *is* a moral issue |
| 20:08.34 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: And it bugs the heck out of me that we send people to other countries to be tortured, since we're not supposed to |
| 20:08.38 | mgeary | i challenge anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ to argue that Jesus would torture a captive terrorist |
| 20:08.48 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Yea, same here. |
| 20:08.52 | dataw0lf | We entered a pact. |
| 20:09.01 | dataw0lf | And we have officially committed war crimes. |
| 20:09.29 | Utah_Dave | we don't torture and we don't condone or pay others to torture for us. |
| 20:10.23 | dataw0lf | I find it laughable that people want to try to say waterboarding isn't torture. |
| 20:10.31 | dataw0lf | I suggest someone try it before they make that decision. |
| 20:13.18 | dataw0lf | mgeary: I've found it telling how quickly people will sacrifice their so called religious values because of fear. |
| 20:13.35 | mgeary | or revenge |
| 20:13.40 | wps | or sex |
| 20:14.03 | dataw0lf | thank god I don't have any! |
| 20:14.10 | dataw0lf | just kidding. |
| 20:14.19 | wps | riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight |
| 20:14.24 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 20:14.50 | wps | man cannot function without love |
| 20:15.21 | mgeary | heh. wps did you see that recent study/survey that said that 24% of respondents felt that the internet could act as a substitute for a significant other? |
| 20:15.26 | mgeary | crazy |
| 20:15.30 | wps | I did |
| 20:15.34 | wps | nuts |
| 20:15.37 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 20:15.49 | dataw0lf | maybe if my computer would buy me dinner I'd think about it. |
| 20:15.53 | dataw0lf | and do my laundry. |
| 20:15.56 | dataw0lf | and the dishes. |
| 20:16.16 | dataw0lf | but until then, my girlfriend can keep her position. |
| 20:16.23 | synic | computers do tend to argue quite a bit |
| 20:16.31 | dataw0lf | I'll get the pink slip ready just in case though. |
| 20:16.58 | dataw0lf | synic: yea, but the one great thing about the computer is it has an "off" button. |
| 20:17.00 | dataw0lf | and mute. |
| 20:17.12 | synic | good point |
| 20:17.30 | wps | question |
| 20:17.40 | timinator | anyone know what file uses a .nsf extension? |
| 20:17.42 | wps | I have a PHP scrip that I am running CLI |
| 20:17.56 | wps | I need to write the contents of a variable out to a file on a remote server |
| 20:18.01 | wps | what would you recommend? |
| 20:18.04 | dataw0lf | timinator: http://filext.com/file-extension/NSF |
| 20:18.19 | wps | use exec() and ssh to the box and then >> the contents into the file? |
| 20:18.23 | dataw0lf | wps: append it to a file a create a new file? |
| 20:18.26 | dataw0lf | or* |
| 20:18.47 | wps | the file will already exist, so truncate to zero length and then write to file |
| 20:18.55 | dataw0lf | personally, I'd just use Python. |
| 20:18.58 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 20:18.59 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 20:19.08 | dataw0lf | dunno what's best practice in PHP |
| 20:19.58 | dataw0lf | you could push it with rsync, I s'pose. |
| 20:20.16 | dataw0lf | in that case, though, I'd use some bash scripts. |
| 20:20.34 | wps | that's what I am trying to decide… write it locally and them copy it to the other server or write it straight to the other server |
| 20:20.47 | pelaofeliz | I'd just do a single ssh call |
| 20:21.06 | wps | how would I do that, pelaofeliz ? |
| 20:21.18 | pelaofeliz | ...how much data is in the file? |
| 20:21.24 | wps | a couple of lines |
| 20:21.45 | timinator | dataw0lf: thanks, but that's showing a sound file and a Lotus file |
| 20:21.53 | timinator | this was a website extention |
| 20:21.57 | pelaofeliz | ssh user@box echo -e "line 1\nline2" > /location/to/file |
| 20:22.08 | timinator | and I'm curious about the language used on the site |
| 20:22.12 | timinator | webdev.nsf/Contact?OpenForm&Seq=1#_RefreshKW_ContactStore |
| 20:22.33 | wps | and that will replace all the contents with the new, right, pelaofeliz ? |
| 20:22.34 | pelaofeliz | that will create the file if it doesn't exist, and if it does, it will replace it with whatever you echo |
| 20:22.40 | wps | awesome |
| 20:22.43 | wps | that's exactly what I need |
| 20:22.45 | wps | thank you |
| 20:22.52 | pelaofeliz | yep |
| 20:24.20 | wps | what's the e flag? |
| 20:24.21 | timinator | anyone know who's writing code for Harmon's Grocery? |
| 20:24.40 | wps | I don't see it in the man file |
| 20:26.08 | synic | mindjuju: heh, I like how he has two PVD songs in a row on this mix. |
| 20:26.12 | synic | PVD pwns |
| 20:26.38 | pelaofeliz | -e allows it to parse escape codes like '\n' |
| 20:27.06 | pelaofeliz | otherwise it will just output 'line1\nline2' instead of doing an actual new line |
| 20:27.22 | wps | cool |
| 20:27.26 | wps | thanks |
| 20:30.54 | mindjuju | totally agree synic on PVD |
| 20:42.26 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 20:42.27 | jbot | keeps mailing ChanServ free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 20:43.21 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, don't want you to think i'm bailing on your statements, I want to give them due thought. Honestly, i'm troubled by both sides of the argument. |
| 20:44.55 | dataw0lf | I'm curious as to how you're troubled about not torturing terrorists. |
| 20:44.59 | dataw0lf | It's a lose/lose situation. |
| 20:45.46 | thebigdog | i agree...torturing terriorists is a lose situation for all |
| 20:46.48 | mindjuju | well, i'm not 100% sure that the intel we've gotten is bad. As there have been supposed terrorist activity disruption from the intel. On the other hand, i'm not sure how exaggerated the stories of terrorist cell disruption are. |
| 20:47.12 | dataw0lf | Ok, mindjuju, let's say you don't know anything. |
| 20:47.27 | dataw0lf | You start getting tortured because you don't know anything. |
| 20:47.29 | mindjuju | on the other side of the topic, i've always been a fan of Henry V stance of war, that is the gentlest gainer is the surest winner |
| 20:47.34 | dataw0lf | Days, months, even years on end. |
| 20:47.46 | dataw0lf | Are you going to make something up? |
| 20:48.40 | mindjuju | sure, and yet if you compare notes of people who release info and see a pattern... |
| 20:48.54 | dataw0lf | And you have to sift through all the crap. |
| 20:48.59 | mindjuju | right |
| 20:49.06 | dataw0lf | And even if info correlates, that does not mean it's true. |
| 20:49.24 | dataw0lf | Conducive interrogation techniques where you use captive bonding and sensory deprivation has been proven to have the least amount of intel error. |
| 20:49.36 | dataw0lf | You're exponentially increasing intelligence error by introducing torture. |
| 20:49.43 | dataw0lf | No ifs, ands, or buts about it. |
| 20:50.20 | dataw0lf | bonding, with sensory deprivation, usually happens in 2 to 4 weeks according to research. |
| 20:50.36 | dataw0lf | That seems a fairly quick intel turnover rate. |
| 20:50.42 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, i respect you and your opinions because you do the research required. I am very similar to you in that respect. |
| 20:50.47 | mgeary | by bonding you mean buddying up with the captive, yes? |
| 20:50.49 | mindjuju | I've got to have time to find this out |
| 20:50.52 | dataw0lf | mgeary: correct. |
| 20:51.12 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I'm just relaying what they taught us in SEREs, I don't have any research papers on hand to link you to. |
| 20:51.30 | mindjuju | well, and i don't expect you to do research for me |
| 20:56.33 | mgeary | i still say that any (real or imagined) benefits aside, torture is immoral |
| 21:03.30 | mindjuju | and the consumption of any fruits of the torture would also thus be immoral |
| 21:05.12 | mgeary | well, i'm not sure it's even worth going there. that's like the argument, "how far back could you justify going in hitler's ancestry to kill someone to prevent Hitler?" |
| 21:05.58 | dataw0lf | s/Hitler/Bush/g |
| 21:06.13 | mindjuju | meh, just him. His mother was just fine |
| 21:06.22 | dataw0lf | At least Hitler contributed to humanity positively in some way. |
| 21:06.44 | mgeary | uhhhh |
| 21:06.50 | mgeary | not going to touch that |
| 21:07.28 | dataw0lf | oh, c'mon, you know you want a visit from the Secret Service. |
| 21:08.10 | mgeary | actually, i was more on the lines of "Hitler contributed positively to humanity??" |
| 21:08.17 | mgeary | but like i say, not touching it |
| 21:08.22 | mindjuju | on the other hand mgeary, if it is true that Iraq war was nothing more than to turn Iraq into a big gas pump with an American Flag, knowingly using the fruits gained from immoral methods equally taints the consumer, doesn't it? |
| 21:08.38 | mgeary | we're tainted for not throwing the bums out |
| 21:08.46 | mindjuju | bums? |
| 21:08.58 | mindjuju | which bums? |
| 21:09.10 | mgeary | the elected ones |
| 21:09.34 | mindjuju | so, still use the gas, but impeach the elected officials |
| 21:09.42 | mindjuju | k, that's good |
| 21:10.33 | dataw0lf | if you want to cleanse your hands of everything that is the fruit of something immoral, you better strip naked, get off the computer, not eat, and go stand on public property. |
| 21:11.00 | mindjuju | hey, i said i was still thinking about it, mgeary is the one who already decided |
| 21:11.12 | mindjuju | which is my point here |
| 21:11.13 | dataw0lf | I'm not addressing anyone in particular. |
| 21:11.25 | mindjuju | if you take a stance on it, you've got to be willing to go all the way |
| 21:11.57 | dataw0lf | Not really. |
| 21:12.07 | dataw0lf | Since immorality isn't black and white |
| 21:13.00 | dataw0lf | And since his sense of immorality may be different than yours. |
| 21:13.00 | mindjuju | totally agree |
| 21:13.00 | mindjuju | but with blanket statements like this: |
| 21:13.00 | mindjuju | (1:56:39 PM) mgeary: i still say that any (real or imagined) benefits aside, torture is immoral |
| 21:13.07 | mindjuju | you gots to be careful where you point that stuff |
| 21:13.08 | dataw0lf | sure, but that's a varying degree. |
| 21:13.27 | dataw0lf | He's saying that he won't draw the line in front of torture. |
| 21:13.45 | dataw0lf | That, for him, torture is immoral enough to deem that any benefits are not worth it. |
| 21:13.53 | mindjuju | including gas |
| 21:14.06 | dataw0lf | We're not torturing them for the location of gas. |
| 21:14.28 | mindjuju | and while we are on the topic, exactly why are we? |
| 21:14.29 | dataw0lf | Iraq and terrorists were two completely separate issues, until America made them one and the same. |
| 21:14.44 | dataw0lf | To gain knowledge of future attacks and locations of senior level members. |
| 21:14.47 | dataw0lf | amongst other things. |
| 21:14.54 | mindjuju | k, i agree |
| 21:15.04 | mindjuju | how valuable the intel is, is arguable |
| 21:15.21 | mindjuju | that's why I say i've got to think about this more |
| 21:15.35 | mindjuju | it's a really complex issue |
| 21:15.41 | dataw0lf | well, I don't think it's very arguable, I direct you to start reading on interrogational tactics. |
| 21:15.59 | mgeary | not using gas would be a foolish and essentially gesture, though for some it might have meaning. What i *can* do is vote, and discuss the matter with others to try to show them my point of view |
| 21:16.01 | mindjuju | not arguable in what way? |
| 21:16.16 | mgeary | *essentially useless |
| 21:16.19 | dataw0lf | not arguable that it produces any sort of valuable intelligence beyond what you would already get with lesser interrogation means. |
| 21:16.48 | mindjuju | k, and now we have spun the debate a full 180. when you started, you said intel was bad |
| 21:16.57 | mindjuju | now you are saying something else |
| 21:17.07 | dataw0lf | It does produce bad intelligence. |
| 21:17.16 | dataw0lf | And it doesn't produce any better intelligence than other forms of interrogation. |
| 21:17.25 | dataw0lf | That wasn't a mutually exclusive set of statements, mindjuju. |
| 21:17.40 | mindjuju | k, let me go back and reread as i may have missed something |
| 21:19.14 | mindjuju | dude, i think we're gonna have to sit around a table with something to drink and talk about this |
| 21:19.31 | dataw0lf | you don't want to talk with me about terrorism, Bush, or Iraq in person. |
| 21:19.56 | mindjuju | no, i know most of your stances |
| 21:20.15 | dataw0lf | yea, over the internet. Here, I only have my keyboard to pound on. |
| 21:20.41 | dataw0lf | which is why I try to avoid talking about it with conservatives face-to-face (unless I'm drunk and want to lure some rednecks into a parking lot beating) |
| 21:21.06 | mindjuju | fortunate for me i don't drink and would see the strategy |
| 21:21.13 | mindjuju | what i am saying though is this |
| 21:21.22 | mindjuju | why didn't you go to college in Virginia? would have loved to have had this level of conversation back then. |
| 21:21.43 | dataw0lf | I didn't know you went to college in Virginia. |
| 21:21.50 | mindjuju | yeah, long story |
| 21:22.14 | mgeary | mindjuju: what college? |
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| 21:22.32 | mindjuju | Southern Virginia College at the time |
| 21:22.54 | mindjuju | back when it was based on the "good books" curriculum |
| 21:23.08 | mgeary | ah, i almost moved to Charlottesville a while back. beautiful town |
| 21:23.11 | dataw0lf | most of my debates during college were centered on the pros and cons of Ramen, and how to load a bong properly. I doubt I would've been as stimulating, mindjuju ;-) |
| 21:23.53 | dataw0lf | I was fairly politically neutral before deploying to Iraq. |
| 21:23.58 | dataw0lf | didn't really care much. |
| 21:24.07 | dataw0lf | Although I'm sure we could've still had some great arguments about evolution and religion. |
| 21:24.15 | mindjuju | yeah, i remember you saying. staked your beats on Gore winning |
| 21:24.48 | mindjuju | dude, i think we would have. |
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| 21:47.58 | wps | pelaofeliz: when I run that command, it is writing the file locally instead of on the remove server |
| 21:52.49 | synic | ~rlart |
| 21:52.50 | jbot | stabs cycokilr |
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| 22:04.43 | Utah_Dave | I think we had a discussion about sorting arrays not too long ago |
| 22:04.54 | Utah_Dave | but nevertheless I'm having trouble with one |
| 22:05.03 | Utah_Dave | I have an array of users |
| 22:05.21 | Utah_Dave | Each user entry is another array of data about that user |
| 22:06.29 | Utah_Dave | [usernamer][TasksCompleted][Sessions] |
| 22:06.30 | Utah_Dave | or by [usernamer][TasksCompleted][Totals] |
| 22:06.41 | dataw0lf | array_multisort |
| 22:07.02 | Utah_Dave | ok, I was poking around on php.net and saw that. I'll look further |
| 22:08.06 | Utah_Dave | is array_multisort going to sort the users or just the items below the users? |
| 22:08.19 | timinator | di.fm is rocking the house |
| 22:20.58 | thebigdog | no way |
| 22:21.01 | thebigdog | that stuff sucks |
| 22:35.12 | pelaofeliz | wps: sorry about that |
| 22:35.31 | pelaofeliz | you need single quotes around the command so bash knows to send the entire thing to the remote server |
| 22:35.44 | wps | a |
| 22:35.45 | wps | ah |
| 22:35.47 | wps | I'll try that |
| 22:35.58 | pelaofeliz | e.g. ssh user@box 'echo -e "line1\nline2" > /location/to/file' |
| 22:38.06 | wps | worked |
| 22:38.07 | wps | thanks |
| 22:38.19 | wps | can you jump two servers? |
| 22:38.29 | thebigdog | i can |
| 22:38.33 | thebigdog | barely |
| 22:38.37 | wps | yeah right |
| 22:38.41 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:38.43 | influx^^ | not to spam yous guys, but here's the current version of that thing: http://nuclearpixel.com/~influx/A%E9la.mp3 |
| 22:38.57 | wps | ssh user@box 'ssh user@box 'echo -e "line1\nline2" > /location/to/file'' |
| 22:39.00 | influx^^ | I think I'll stop there. |
| 22:39.03 | influx^^ | posting, that is. |
| 22:39.20 | wps | would that work, pelaofeliz ? |
| 22:39.25 | synic | influx^^: 'bout time |
| 22:39.53 | pelaofeliz | wps: probably not |
| 22:40.07 | pelaofeliz | you'd have to escape the inner single quotes |
| 22:40.11 | influx^^ | synic: What? |
| 22:40.26 | wps | if you escaped it correctly though, is it technically possible? |
| 22:40.29 | pelaofeliz | yep |
| 22:40.38 | wps | cool |
| 22:40.47 | wps | seems cleaner than how I was doing it before with |
| 22:40.55 | wps | ssh -x -n |
| 22:43.16 | wps | this is a crazy script that I'm writing |
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| 22:53.20 | pelaofeliz | wps: you get the syntax worked out? |
| 22:54.04 | wps | I think so |
| 22:54.05 | wps | testing |
| 22:57.20 | pelaofeliz | k -- I might have a way if it doesn't work out |
| 23:04.11 | wps | got it |
| 23:07.12 | pelaofeliz | good deal |
| 23:07.33 | pelaofeliz | what was the purpose of it, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 23:09.39 | wps | I have written a script that (aided by a cron job) will monitor an SVN checkout on a dev server (most of PDFs and images) and automatically flag new/removed files for add/delete, commit the changes, update the changes a staging server, and then rsync the changes form the staging server to multiple production servers |
| 23:10.10 | wps | the point is to have a drag-and-drop file mount that non-technical people can use to get images and PDFs onto our website |
| 23:11.20 | wps | (and it has to go through SVN because nothing can be deployed to the website without being in the repository) |
| 23:12.02 | wps | overkill for images, yes… but it keeps it all clean and standard |
| 23:13.45 | wps | an interesting part was creating a throttle mechanism that prevents the script from running on top of itself |
| 23:14.22 | wps | since I have no idea what would happen if it did :) |
| 23:25.28 | wps | the only thing I don't like about it is that it's going to prematurely increment my SVN version numbers |
| 23:25.36 | wps | but that's not that big of a deal |
| 23:25.42 | jsmith | wps: You're using "svn export", correct? |
| 23:26.35 | wps | no |
| 23:30.00 | tierra | I think most cron services will prevent a script from running at the times given if it's still currently running from a previous initiation by default |
| 23:30.31 | influx^^ | w 8 |
| 23:30.44 | tierra | not that it's bad to have a secondary measure in place |
| 23:31.28 | josephscott2_ | wps, did you get an answer to your remote ssh question already? |
| 23:31.42 | wps | yes, thanks |
| 23:31.47 | wps | oh… wait |
| 23:31.49 | josephscott2_ | ok, just checking |
| 23:31.53 | wps | in here? or my posts to the mailing list? |
| 23:32.05 | josephscott2_ | mailing list |
| 23:32.12 | wps | writing to a remote file, yes |
| 23:32.21 | wps | I needed single ticks instead of quotes |
| 23:32.35 | josephscott2_ | yep, got caught on the quotes :-) |
| 23:32.48 | josephscott2_ | http://systemsboy.blogspot.com/2006/07/send-remote-commands-via-ssh.html |
| 23:32.53 | wps | the question about rsync batching I am still anxiously awaiting feedback/experiences/advice |
| 23:41.52 | wps | I hate it when people send you an email and then call to talk about it |
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| 23:44.25 | mgeary | heh. i do that sometimes |
| 23:51.21 | wps | what I find really funny is instant messaging with my brother |
| 23:51.25 | wps | he is so formal about it |
| 23:51.33 | wps | he feels like he has to say goodbye |
| 23:51.44 | wps | and apologizes if he gets pulled away and doesn't answer for a while |
| 23:57.13 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:57.18 | timinator | my family is that way too |
| 23:57.49 | timinator | anyone have a better link for: http://scfire-dll-aa01.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1999 |
| 23:58.03 | timinator | I've been downloading since 12:30 |
| 23:58.12 | timinator | and now I must leave |
| 23:58.32 | timinator | oh, geez |
| 23:58.37 | timinator | it's a stream |
| 23:58.41 | timinator | ~lart timinator |
| 23:58.41 | jbot | takes out a cattle prod and gives timinator a good jolt |
| 23:58.52 | timinator | ROTFLMAO |