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| 02:30.03 | mindjuju | awesome! - http://www.shopintuition.com/product.asp?pid=16531&catid=106&parentid=3&onCategoriesPage=1 |
| 02:32.10 | burnin | what the |
| 02:32.25 | herlo | mindjuju: that's awesome! |
| 02:32.55 | herlo | gross! but awesome |
| 02:36.01 | mindjuju | :) |
| 03:32.37 | orsonj | my question is where does the dirt and grime actually go? |
| 03:34.31 | mindjuju | eaten up by the acid in the spittle |
| 03:34.44 | mindjuju | hey, CSS question for anybody brave |
| 03:34.48 | mindjuju | though prolly not too hard |
| 03:34.57 | mindjuju | i've got one big div that is holding the site together |
| 03:35.05 | mindjuju | that div is called main and has a background of white |
| 03:35.16 | mindjuju | now i have a nav on the left and a main contents on the right |
| 03:35.29 | mindjuju | if i float nav left and float content right, it lays out like a champ |
| 03:35.52 | mindjuju | but the main div doesn't go the length of the of the inside divs |
| 03:36.14 | mindjuju | that's because i floated the inside div left and right respectively |
| 03:36.46 | mindjuju | so either i need to find a new way to kick the divs left and right respectively, or find a way to stretch the main div dynamically |
| 03:36.49 | mindjuju | any ideas? |
| 03:52.53 | orsonj | don't float the main contents div, put a left margin instead. |
| 03:53.38 | orsonj | I still have this laying around if you want to look at it. http://tetratech.info/oddcss/test.html |
| 03:55.20 | orsonj | or add some extra markup that clears both left and right floats. |
| 03:56.11 | orsonj | extra markup seems to work best though. |
| 04:04.07 | mindjuju | oh, i see what you're doing, that margin-left is throwing the main over 14em, preventing the overlapping that i'm seeing |
| 04:04.48 | mindjuju | hmmm... seems like i was hacking when layout with tables, seems like CSS is no better -- has it's own hacks |
| 04:05.18 | mindjuju | which 99% of all google tuts use in one way or another |
| 04:16.35 | orsonj | yep, a fun hack is to use css to define divs as table, tr and td. but it doesn't work in ie! ;) |
| 04:17.45 | mindjuju | curious, i just found a hack that has wide acceptance and works in my instance. But it still is a hack |
| 04:18.01 | mindjuju | http://www.ejeliot.com/blog/59 |
| 04:18.35 | mindjuju | i wish since the W3C made this dumb rule, they'd write an example to show how to do what more than like 1,000,000 google hits documents as questions from devs to work within compliance |
| 04:18.39 | mindjuju | it's obviously an issue |
| 04:20.13 | mindjuju | sorry, was wrong about the num of google hits, what i said was a guess. The total hits is 2.56 mil |
| 04:20.18 | mindjuju | ~flip W3C |
| 04:20.19 | jbot | ACTION gives W3C the .|.. ..|. |
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| 14:57.13 | JacobKerr | Good morning, I have a quick question. Can I setup a session using session_start() etc. on a page and leave that page (go to an HTML page) and come back to it within minutes and still pull from that same session? I have done it a few times in the past np. but this one site I am working on (it's on the same server) is not saving the session data, it's driving me nuts... |
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| 15:21.11 | mgeary | hey, anyone else here use Xdebug? anyone found a way to examine the profiler output on OS X? |
| 15:22.51 | JacobKerr | Anyone here know why a PHP session would not be saving? I start the session on the page then save to it like I have done a million times and I am printing out the whole session with print_r, when I refresh the page or come back to it the session is gone, it's not saving for some reason. |
| 15:23.37 | mgeary | do you have session_start() in your page? |
| 15:23.45 | JacobKerr | yeah at the very top :) |
| 15:24.37 | mgeary | pastebin your page |
| 15:24.52 | JacobKerr | I do know one thing and I'm not sure if this would cause the problem: On the same site I have a .cgi shopping cart that is saving to a session also. Do you think this session could be causing these problems? |
| 15:25.32 | brasto | JacobKerr: there's a php.ini directive for session.autostart (or something similar), what's the setting for it? |
| 15:26.28 | JacobKerr | I'm not sure but on the same server I use session start all the time with no problems, it's just on this one site maybe it's the .cgi cart that's on that site that's causing these problems. |
| 15:26.47 | mgeary | probably so |
| 15:26.57 | mgeary | (probably is with the .cgi integration) |
| 15:27.43 | JacobKerr | K, I will start doing some research on how to destroy the .cgi session which is saving to the PHP $_COOKIE |
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| 15:31.20 | JacobKerr | LOL well I do not know if the .cgi (developed in PERL) is saving to $_COOKIE for PHP but if I print out $_COOKIE with print_r it shows a bunch of vars that I am sure are from this cart and a session id. Is this also how PHP saves a session id for users on the site? Maybe I just need to find a way to add onto the session using that session id or something HMMMM... |
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| 15:42.57 | unum | I'm confused I have an if statement if($active=='f') nothing matches(yes I know that code is being reached). I change it to if($active!='f') still nothing matches |
| 15:43.42 | unum | when I write out the variable I get nothing(which doesn't suprise me I expect it to be null), but null doesn't match either |
| 15:43.49 | unum | nm |
| 15:43.54 | unum | I'm an idiot |
| 15:49.34 | JacobKerr | I have sessions now. I even set a session using session_name so it's a unique session and checked PHP's cookie and it's saving my session id with my new session name but no no no it still will not save my session data! |
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| 15:49.46 | JacobKerr | I hate* |
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| 15:59.57 | unum | want to show us some code |
| 16:00.18 | unum | which distro are you running this on |
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| 16:05.32 | JacobKerr | is it easy to save a multidimensional array in a cookie using PHP's setcookie function? That would be a life saver... |
| 16:05.53 | thebigdog | why a multidim array |
| 16:06.17 | JacobKerr | well it's for a cart so I need to save a bunch of title, quantities etc. |
| 16:06.57 | JacobKerr | I can not get my session to work on the site for some reason. I think the .cgi cart's session is causing the problem. |
| 16:07.15 | thebigdog | i would work the session angle |
| 16:07.29 | JacobKerr | and I set my own session name, it's still not working. I checked the PH $_COOKIE and the ids are saving np.. |
| 16:07.40 | mgeary | hey, Comodo used to sell $49 SSL certificates. Now the cheapest i can find is $139. Anyone know a cheaper source for 3rd-party-signed certs? |
| 16:08.23 | JacobKerr | or maybe if I can just clear out all of the data in $_COOKIE maybe that would help. |
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| 16:09.06 | unum | JacobKerr: what distro is the site running? |
| 16:09.13 | mgeary | ah, instantssl.com (still comodo) has one for $79.95, anyone know of a better/cheaper source? |
| 16:09.21 | timinator | GoDaddy is a good spot |
| 16:09.27 | unum | godaddy is only $20/a year |
| 16:09.34 | mgeary | huh |
| 16:09.36 | unum | I hate them, but man they are cheap |
| 16:09.41 | JacobKerr | what cart? |
| 16:09.54 | timinator | they're "real" certs are $80 |
| 16:09.55 | JacobKerr | not familiar with that abreviation. |
| 16:10.02 | JacobKerr | what's distro? |
| 16:10.13 | dataw0lf | distribution |
| 16:10.13 | unum | version of linux |
| 16:10.15 | mgeary | timinator: "real"? what are their "fake" certs? |
| 16:10.18 | dataw0lf | the flavor of Linux you're using. |
| 16:10.25 | dataw0lf | unum: it's not a version of Linux. |
| 16:10.35 | JacobKerr | suse10 |
| 16:10.56 | timinator | Real == high assurance |
| 16:11.26 | timinator | the $20 ones are tied to a GoDaddy cert or something |
| 16:11.28 | unum | can you see it saving the session data in the right spot |
| 16:11.43 | timinator | ~summon thebigdog |
| 16:11.43 | jbot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing thebigdog's coordinates |
| 16:11.56 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 16:11.58 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 16:11.58 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: grep your php.ini file for "session.save_path" |
| 16:12.02 | JacobKerr | I have saved a session a million times on this serve with no problem it's just this one site.. |
| 16:12.03 | dataw0lf | then check that path for the sessions. |
| 16:12.22 | fungus | Real != high assurance |
| 16:12.33 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 16:12.40 | fungus | Real == direct signing from a CA root |
| 16:12.41 | timinator | thebigdog: do you remember why we couldn't use the ceap GoDaddy certs? |
| 16:12.54 | thebigdog | port issues |
| 16:12.55 | fungus | Fake == intermediate cert signs your cert |
| 16:13.05 | timinator | ah, TY fungus |
| 16:13.07 | dataw0lf | well, put "fake" in quotations. |
| 16:13.15 | dataw0lf | mushroom ^^^ |
| 16:13.18 | dataw0lf | err, I mean, fungus |
| 16:13.26 | unum | I have no idea why it would work for one site and not any others |
| 16:13.39 | unum | unless the session.save_path is somehow related to the site name |
| 16:13.52 | unum | which it maybe if you don't have dedicated hosting |
| 16:13.56 | fungus | lol. "Fake" certs work just as well as "real" certs, but require an extra step at installation. |
| 16:13.59 | dataw0lf | you could be specifying the save_path in the other sites. |
| 16:14.08 | thebigdog | perhaps ini setting for the site |
| 16:14.28 | unum | ah ya those those things would make sense |
| 16:14.40 | JacobKerr | maybe the .cgi cart changed the ini setting for that individual site.. |
| 16:14.43 | dataw0lf | unum: as a debug method, I'd set, on that particular site, php_ini('session.save_path', '/tmp'); |
| 16:14.44 | JacobKerr | I could use set_ini |
| 16:14.50 | dataw0lf | set_ini, I mean |
| 16:14.51 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 16:14.52 | mgeary | i've only ever set up a cert on a dedicated machine. i'm now setting one up on a Dreamhost machine. anyone have any caveats? |
| 16:15.03 | dataw0lf | well, Dreamhost sucks, for one. |
| 16:15.07 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:15.20 | mgeary | not my choice |
| 16:15.32 | dataw0lf | webfaction > dreamhost for shared machines. |
| 16:16.37 | dataw0lf | here's Dreamhost's take on it : http://blog.dreamhosters.com/kbase/index.cgi?area=146 |
| 16:17.40 | JacobKerr | ini_set('session.save_handler','mysession'). What do you guys suggest I put in place of "my session"?? |
| 16:17.47 | timinator | Is webfaction using UML? |
| 16:18.33 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: /tmp |
| 16:18.41 | JacobKerr | K, thanx |
| 16:18.51 | JacobKerr | I was not sure if that was absolute or relative.. |
| 16:18.51 | dataw0lf | timinator: nope, it's shared hosting, but it's actually really, really good for shared hosting |
| 16:19.00 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: it's absolute |
| 16:19.03 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 16:20.40 | Utah_Dave | is there a way to get the name of the current method being called in a PHP 5 class? |
| 16:20.44 | timinator | dataw0lf: cool |
| 16:21.11 | Utah_Dave | I'm setting up some logging and I want to know exactly which method made the call, without having to hard code the name each time |
| 16:22.00 | dataw0lf | tierra: they came in today :) |
| 16:22.15 | JacobKerr | LOL it's throwing an error and I have errors turned off because of hackers and my ini_set for error printing is not working, oh what fun. |
| 16:22.22 | fungus | Mine is supposed to come today too |
| 16:22.37 | dataw0lf | fungus: is yours, FREE? |
| 16:22.46 | thebigdog | im getting a new disk array....15 scsi 400g drives |
| 16:22.55 | fungus | no... but I still get one. |
| 16:23.21 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, it would rock if include would allow you to prepend a namespace to it |
| 16:23.29 | JacobKerr | Fatal error: ini_set(): Cannot find save handler temp in /var/www/vhosts/massagetableoutlet.com/httpdocs/shopatron_cart.php on line 5... |
| 16:23.32 | thebigdog | that is my beef with php...no namespace support |
| 16:24.09 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, your handler needs to be like a function |
| 16:24.23 | dataw0lf | my boss hooked me up with a free server because I got him these others for really cheap |
| 16:24.27 | JacobKerr | LOL that's what I thought.. |
| 16:24.38 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: What's your session.save_handler set as? |
| 16:24.48 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, you need session_save_path |
| 16:24.48 | JacobKerr | temp |
| 16:24.57 | JacobKerr | perfect thanx man.. |
| 16:25.16 | thebigdog | unless you are writing your own session save handler to deal with the session stuff |
| 16:26.05 | JacobKerr | yeah that would prob be good to use also, but I need to change my save path. |
| 16:26.14 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: This is what you need to do |
| 16:26.26 | dataw0lf | set_ini('session.save_handler', 'files'); |
| 16:26.32 | JacobKerr | thanx. |
| 16:26.35 | dataw0lf | set_ini('session.save_path', '/tmp'); |
| 16:26.44 | dataw0lf | put those two lines, in that order, in that file, tell me if sessions work |
| 16:26.57 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: I know i can put constants into a namespace |
| 16:26.58 | JacobKerr | k, thanx. |
| 16:27.05 | dataw0lf | maybe with some sort of exec magic I could work in classes and functions too |
| 16:27.08 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, yeah |
| 16:27.20 | dataw0lf | it'd be neato if I could |
| 16:28.40 | JacobKerr | LOL so I changed my save path and my session is still not saving. :( |
| 16:28.58 | thebigdog | hehe do you have sessions enabled |
| 16:29.56 | JacobKerr | yeah unless it has been disabled for this one site some how.. |
| 16:30.25 | JacobKerr | I have used session in the past with no problem it's just this one site and I think it's because of the .cgi cart that's on the site.. |
| 16:30.49 | thebigdog | why would that cause issues |
| 16:30.58 | JacobKerr | I have used sessions on the same server with np.. |
| 16:31.00 | JacobKerr | I do not know. |
| 16:31.28 | thebigdog | turn on all error and warning and then try it out and see if you get anything |
| 16:31.57 | thebigdog | i wish i invented redbox |
| 16:31.59 | JacobKerr | Yeah I turned on all errors using some ini_set that I have used a few times in the past.. |
| 16:32.04 | JacobKerr | I know man. |
| 16:32.09 | JacobKerr | They're loaded.. |
| 16:32.19 | JacobKerr | of that check cashing system in 711 |
| 16:32.32 | JacobKerr | or* |
| 16:32.45 | thebigdog | no |
| 16:32.48 | thebigdog | the movie thing |
| 16:32.54 | thebigdog | anyone want a free rental |
| 16:33.03 | thebigdog | use the code "dvdonme" |
| 16:33.09 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 16:33.15 | JacobKerr | that's crazy.. |
| 16:33.18 | JacobKerr | I will try it. |
| 16:33.23 | thebigdog | it will work |
| 16:33.36 | thebigdog | well unless their internet connection goes down on the redbox |
| 16:34.48 | JacobKerr | now where do I enter the code.. |
| 16:34.49 | JacobKerr | LOL. |
| 16:35.17 | thebigdog | it should say on the thing before you checkout |
| 16:37.35 | JacobKerr | hey what's that site for submitting code? |
| 16:39.15 | timinator | pastebin? |
| 16:39.31 | JacobKerr | so I should be able to create a session via session_start(); then save to it via $_SESSION['varnam'] = "whatever"; np right? |
| 16:40.16 | brasto | if only things were this easy... |
| 16:40.30 | brasto | ~give timinator $1,000,000 |
| 16:40.30 | jbot | ACTION gives $1,000,000 to timinator |
| 16:40.30 | JacobKerr | then pull back from it like print_r($_SESSION); and print out all of my session data, this has worked for me a million times but not on the site I am working on.. |
| 16:40.37 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 16:40.39 | timinator | TY brasto |
| 16:42.02 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: are you serious about the free dvd rental? |
| 16:43.20 | JacobKerr | Sorry for bombing you guys with question but I have one more and can not find it online. Can you clear everything in $_COOKIE easily? |
| 16:43.59 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, that should work |
| 16:44.27 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, yes...that is one i got from the company to give to my friends...it better work or they suck |
| 16:45.49 | JacobKerr | Well they are offering a one night free rental to everyone.. |
| 16:46.42 | timinator | mmm |
| 16:47.17 | timinator | :) |
| 16:49.25 | JacobKerr | haha unset($_COOKIE);.... |
| 16:49.29 | JacobKerr | it worked. |
| 16:51.06 | JacobKerr | lol nvm it did not work.. |
| 16:51.09 | JacobKerr | damn |
| 16:58.45 | brasto | ~break someone |
| 16:58.46 | jbot | ACTION installs Windows into someone's brain, reboots it, adds more Microsoft products, and reboots again. |
| 17:01.25 | timinator | there needs to be a jbot function for exporting all commands to a XML file or Spreadsheet |
| 17:01.32 | influx^^ | stderr |
| 17:01.42 | influx^^ | err, dataw0lf |
| 17:01.53 | influx^^ | You just came up as an alternative to me on OKCupid. |
| 17:02.02 | influx^^ | "Less methodical." |
| 17:02.47 | dataw0lf | I'm "less methodical" than you? |
| 17:02.50 | dataw0lf | man, that's troubling |
| 17:02.51 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 17:02.53 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 17:04.32 | influx^^ | How can anyone mock Bill O'Reilly? |
| 17:04.37 | influx^^ | >:( |
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| 17:17.43 | PoeticIntensity | yo JacobKerr, I've had some issues with variables being over-written while using third-party apps. |
| 17:18.03 | PoeticIntensity | Have you tried setting a session variable at the very *end* of your script? |
| 17:18.14 | PoeticIntensity | where you are *sure* the cart isn't going to interfere with it? |
| 17:18.29 | PoeticIntensity | if the session still doesn't save, then the cart isn't the issue. |
| 17:18.42 | PoeticIntensity | if it does, the cart might be a good culprit. |
| 17:19.12 | JacobKerr | Well I found that maybe the way I am saving into my session is the prob. |
| 17:19.34 | PoeticIntensity | $_SESSION["variable_name"] = "hello world"; |
| 17:19.40 | PoeticIntensity | that method seems to work very well for me. :) |
| 17:19.44 | JacobKerr | I was looping through my $_POST with foreach and the assigning the var that way |
| 17:20.20 | PoeticIntensity | you could also do something like this: |
| 17:20.24 | PoeticIntensity | $_SESSION = $_POST; |
| 17:20.26 | JacobKerr | and it prints out with print_r but after I refresh the page it's gone but what you just posted work so.. |
| 17:20.34 | JacobKerr | Good idea.. |
| 17:20.39 | PoeticIntensity | that'll forego the foreach looping. |
| 17:22.16 | PoeticIntensity | hope that helped. |
| 17:23.33 | JacobKerr | Yes it did thanx. |
| 17:23.45 | PoeticIntensity | you're welcome. |
| 17:32.23 | JacobKerr | PoeticIntensity: For some reason this is not working: $_SESSION[$product_rec] = $_POST; |
| 17:32.27 | JacobKerr | Can I do that? |
| 17:32.53 | JacobKerr | multidimensional session arrays.. |
| 17:32.55 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... looks good. |
| 17:33.02 | PoeticIntensity | I use multi-arrays in sessions daily. |
| 17:33.09 | JacobKerr | for somereason that causes the same problems as before.. |
| 17:33.13 | JacobKerr | it's not saving. |
| 17:33.32 | PoeticIntensity | I know it's been asked before, but.... can you pastebin some code for us? |
| 17:33.43 | PoeticIntensity | kinda hard to help when we're all blind. |
| 17:33.46 | JacobKerr | yeah what's the url for that site.. |
| 17:33.50 | PoeticIntensity | rafb.net |
| 17:33.54 | JacobKerr | k, thanx |
| 17:34.40 | JacobKerr | http://rafb.net/p/NvPS4627.html |
| 17:35.31 | PoeticIntensity | ya sure it's being hit? |
| 17:35.43 | PoeticIntensity | you've got an if statement before there... |
| 17:36.10 | mindjuju | thebigdog, was it you that was talking about increasing site speed by moving commonly loaded files like pics and js to a different domain because something about the browser allowing up to 4 connections per domain or something? |
| 17:36.41 | PoeticIntensity | also.... you've gotta make sure that $product_rec is a valid array index, or it won't work. |
| 17:36.51 | JacobKerr | yeah and it goes through and shows the session as I want it printed out but when I refresh the session is gone.. |
| 17:37.14 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 17:37.16 | PoeticIntensity | try this: |
| 17:37.19 | JacobKerr | well it just a number like 123 |
| 17:37.32 | PoeticIntensity | instead of this: |
| 17:37.34 | PoeticIntensity | if(isset($_POST['product_rec'])){ |
| 17:37.37 | PoeticIntensity | use this: |
| 17:37.45 | PoeticIntensity | if(!empty($_POST['product_rec'])){ |
| 17:37.50 | JacobKerr | K. |
| 17:38.26 | Utah_Dave | JacobKerr: you're problem is that on line 82 you're using $product_rec as the key. Try using 'product_rec' as the key instead |
| 17:38.34 | Utah_Dave | s/you're/your/ |
| 17:38.39 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 17:39.06 | PoeticIntensity | Utah_Dave, unless he wants the variable to be the index key.... |
| 17:39.10 | JacobKerr | will that use the number I want? |
| 17:39.18 | PoeticIntensity | no, it won't. |
| 17:39.24 | JacobKerr | I want it to be the value of the variable. |
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| 17:39.32 | JacobKerr | but I can try to see if that is the issue.. |
| 17:39.39 | PoeticIntensity | Utah_Dave is assuming you want "product_rec" to be the index. |
| 17:40.00 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 17:40.03 | JacobKerr | well it holds the data so the problem is there.. |
| 17:40.09 | Utah_Dave | right, but in line 81 you set $product_rec to the POST array |
| 17:40.24 | PoeticIntensity | well... not the whole array... |
| 17:40.31 | PoeticIntensity | just the value of one index... |
| 17:40.33 | PoeticIntensity | so it could be valid. |
| 17:40.35 | Utah_Dave | oh, you're right, PoeticIntensity |
| 17:40.55 | JacobKerr | Well since I just used the name instead of value it saves hmmm.. |
| 17:41.17 | JacobKerr | so how do I get the number of that variable in there and have it actualy save.. |
| 17:41.53 | PoeticIntensity | try this: |
| 17:41.56 | Utah_Dave | JacobKerr: are you sure that product_rec is being posted? |
| 17:42.12 | PoeticIntensity | $_SESSION["test_".$product_rec] = $_POST; |
| 17:42.17 | Utah_Dave | Maybe it's empty and so it's not getting set |
| 17:42.23 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, try what PoeticIntensity said |
| 17:42.24 | JacobKerr | Yeah I see the nubmer on the screen when I print out the session but when I refresh the session is gone. |
| 17:42.38 | JacobKerr | k I will try that poetic. |
| 17:43.32 | JacobKerr | LOL it work poetic right on.. |
| 17:43.38 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 17:43.53 | PoeticIntensity | I think the problem is that you're trying to save the index with a string-casted number. |
| 17:44.02 | PoeticIntensity | for some reason, that doesn't work. |
| 17:44.08 | JacobKerr | I c.. |
| 17:44.11 | Utah_Dave | JacobKerr: you might want to separate out your code from your display code, as well. |
| 17:44.13 | JacobKerr | makes sense.. |
| 17:44.19 | PoeticIntensity | putting some alpha-numeric stuff before will get it to save. |
| 17:46.48 | PoeticIntensity | ~ping thebigdog |
| 17:46.49 | jbot | pong thebigdog |
| 17:47.03 | PoeticIntensity | got time for a pgsql question, thebigdog ? |
| 17:47.15 | PoeticIntensity | (or anyone else) ? |
| 17:49.04 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, whats up |
| 17:49.26 | PoeticIntensity | it's a difference between MySQL and PGSQL. |
| 17:49.50 | JacobKerr | Man I wasted allot of time on one stupid session.. |
| 17:50.24 | PoeticIntensity | in MySQL, if I have a grouped query, and I've selected a field which will yield only one row - in MySQL, it didn't have to be in the "group by" clause. |
| 17:50.29 | JacobKerr | thanx again for your help, I learned allot about sessions so i guess it was not all wasted time.. |
| 17:50.51 | PoeticIntensity | apparently, in PGSQL, it has to appear in the group by clause, or be part of an aggregate function - regardless if there's only one row being returned. |
| 17:51.02 | beandog | ok |
| 17:51.14 | PoeticIntensity | JacobKerr, yup.... It's only wasted time if you don't learn from it. :) |
| 17:52.11 | PoeticIntensity | beandog... I'm wondering if there's any way to create the behavior of this MySQL functionality into PGSQL? |
| 17:52.25 | beandog | you lost me |
| 17:52.31 | beandog | Id need to see a query |
| 17:52.33 | PoeticIntensity | because, I've got like 8 fields which will have to be in the group-by....... |
| 17:52.35 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 17:52.51 | PoeticIntensity | the query is freakin' hairy, and most of it is irrelevant. |
| 17:53.00 | PoeticIntensity | so... lemme formulate another one. |
| 17:53.54 | beandog | ok |
| 17:54.23 | PoeticIntensity | http://rafb.net/p/UXGPrb65.html |
| 17:54.33 | PoeticIntensity | in MySQL, that query would work. |
| 17:55.03 | PoeticIntensity | in PGSQL, I need to add all address info and name to the group-by clause. |
| 17:55.16 | PoeticIntensity | which, in this case, would double the length of the query. |
| 17:55.45 | beandog | yah |
| 17:55.50 | beandog | I dont see how you got away with it in the first place |
| 17:56.09 | PoeticIntensity | well... in MySQL, it's not a matter of "getting away with it"... |
| 17:56.11 | PoeticIntensity | it's just the way it works. |
| 17:56.35 | PoeticIntensity | and it makes sense... *if* (and only if) the other fields return *only one row*. |
| 17:56.36 | JacobKerr | I need to learn the structure query language.. |
| 17:57.01 | PoeticIntensity | if they return more, MySQL returns an error, because it's nonsensical. |
| 17:58.01 | PoeticIntensity | in PGSQL, I guess it *needs* to have that info in the group-by clause. |
| 17:58.05 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh* |
| 17:58.20 | PoeticIntensity | ah well... there are so many other great things about PG, I'll forgive it this time... |
| 18:00.09 | PoeticIntensity | and yes, JacobKerr, learning SQL will up your personal marketability greatly. |
| 18:00.17 | PoeticIntensity | especially if you want to be in web development. |
| 18:00.37 | JacobKerr | Any recomendation on books? |
| 18:00.44 | PoeticIntensity | I've never read any. |
| 18:00.51 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 18:00.58 | PoeticIntensity | I just read the mysql docs extensively... |
| 18:01.02 | PoeticIntensity | along with tutorials online. |
| 18:01.08 | PoeticIntensity | (none of which I can remember) |
| 18:01.29 | JacobKerr | so do you write the code and import the file to update the DB? |
| 18:01.40 | PoeticIntensity | wha...? |
| 18:01.43 | JacobKerr | LOL. |
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| 18:02.12 | PoeticIntensity | just google for some..... oooohhh.. .wait.... |
| 18:02.19 | PoeticIntensity | I think my first db book *was* a book... |
| 18:02.24 | PoeticIntensity | I Think it was php / mysql for dummies. |
| 18:02.28 | PoeticIntensity | pretty sure it was. |
| 18:02.32 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, lent it to me. |
| 18:02.36 | PoeticIntensity | I think I still have it... :) |
| 18:02.49 | JacobKerr | Well I know allot of the SQL that can be used with PHP |
| 18:03.02 | PoeticIntensity | it can't? |
| 18:03.16 | PoeticIntensity | sql isn't interpreted by PHP, AFAIK |
| 18:03.27 | PoeticIntensity | it's interpreted by the sql engine of your choice... and then returned to PHP. |
| 18:03.33 | beandog | si |
| 18:03.45 | JacobKerr | oh i c... |
| 18:04.17 | PoeticIntensity | so... theoretically, you're right JacobKerr ... PHP doesn't do *any* SQL. :) |
| 18:05.18 | JacobKerr | so why would I need to know SQL so I can work with very large databases and organize them quickly how I want etc.. |
| 18:05.53 | PoeticIntensity | umm.... I don't think we're communicating on the same wavelength... |
| 18:06.02 | JacobKerr | LOL, k. |
| 18:06.08 | PoeticIntensity | knowing SQL is the *only* way to work with databases. |
| 18:06.11 | PoeticIntensity | that's why you need to know it. |
| 18:06.43 | PoeticIntensity | maybe you were just stating the obvious... |
| 18:06.47 | PoeticIntensity | I thought you were asking a question. |
| 18:06.48 | JacobKerr | ok so using server side scripting to send and receive queries? |
| 18:06.55 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 18:07.11 | PoeticIntensity | well... send queries and receive data. |
| 18:07.16 | JacobKerr | ok. |
| 18:07.30 | JacobKerr | well the code you posted how is that used? http://rafb.net/p/UXGPrb65.html |
| 18:08.00 | PoeticIntensity | uhhh.... it's kinda hard to explain, and I'm sure there are hundreds of basic php / mysql tutorials online. |
| 18:08.09 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 18:08.15 | PoeticIntensity | hold up.. |
| 18:08.16 | PoeticIntensity | php has one. |
| 18:09.04 | PoeticIntensity | http://rafb.net/p/AKfkaU63.html |
| 18:09.10 | PoeticIntensity | there's the example on PHP.net |
| 18:09.43 | JacobKerr | well I just want to know is that query you setup and sent to your MySQL server via mysql_query? |
| 18:09.58 | PoeticIntensity | ultimately, yes. |
| 18:09.58 | JacobKerr | k, thanx. |
| 18:10.04 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 18:13.07 | JacobKerr | nice:http://rafb.net/p/AKfkaU63.html . I am def going to use that mysql_fetch_array all the time thanx. |
| 18:13.21 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 18:13.29 | JacobKerr | I was looking all over the place once before for code just like that.. |
| 18:13.39 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... it's found here: |
| 18:13.44 | PoeticIntensity | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.mysql.php |
| 18:13.48 | PoeticIntensity | php.net is *amazing* |
| 18:14.07 | PoeticIntensity | refer to it often and you'll learn all sorts of cool stuff. |
| 18:14.58 | JacobKerr | Yeah I have found allot of stuff on that site (PHP Manual) |
| 18:15.37 | JacobKerr | but sometime when your looking for somethign specific it's imposible to find.. |
| 18:15.57 | PoeticIntensity | heh... unless you're in the fabulous #UPHPU IRC channel! |
| 18:16.00 | PoeticIntensity | ~woot |
| 18:16.27 | JacobKerr | I know, I LOVE IT! |
| 18:16.37 | JacobKerr | Sooner or later I will not have so many dumb questions... |
| 18:16.40 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I'm around now. What's up? |
| 18:18.01 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, did you get your pgsql question answered? |
| 18:19.46 | PoeticIntensity | well.. sort of... |
| 18:20.14 | PoeticIntensity | I've been googling around, and it seems that if a group-by clause is present, all selected items either have to be aggregated or listed in the clause itself. |
| 18:20.48 | PoeticIntensity | with MySQL, it checks to see if the result is single before throwing an error... so it doesn't need the detail PG apparently does. |
| 18:22.00 | PoeticIntensity | looks like some people get around that by using a simple aggregator like max() to get the same results. |
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| 18:31.09 | justingiboney | I have heard PEAR is good for creating DB connections, but I can't find a tutorial to use it on my mac running 10.4. I have PEAR installed, and I found this tutorial http://www.developer.net.au/Developing_ThreeTier_Web_Applications_with_PHP-4.htm, but it is for windows |
| 18:32.33 | beandog | pear.php.net/DB |
| 18:32.40 | beandog | its got great documentation |
| 18:34.27 | justingiboney | thanks |
| 18:47.33 | JacobKerr | hey you can include a class in a class and make an instance of the object in that class and build on it within the class you included it in right.. |
| 18:47.36 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 18:56.28 | JacobKerr | lol.. |
| 18:57.04 | brasto | "but... mgeary said he doesn't like cookies..." |
| 19:06.53 | JacobKerr | so you would use extends eh |
| 19:10.35 | thebigdog | depends on your object relation |
| 19:14.14 | JacobKerr | I c. |
| 19:16.52 | JacobKerr | If I want geters and seters then I prob. should not make a constructor for my class? |
| 19:18.48 | thebigdog | why? |
| 19:19.32 | thebigdog | getters and setters have nothing to do with constructor |
| 19:19.47 | JacobKerr | Well how do I do something like class->set if I have a contructor in my class. |
| 19:19.49 | thebigdog | most getters and setters are used with reflection |
| 19:20.03 | thebigdog | just like that |
| 19:20.18 | thebigdog | contructors are used when creating the object |
| 19:20.24 | thebigdog | that is when they are called |
| 19:22.28 | JacobKerr | So many options, it's hard to know what's the best way to construct a class and all the tutorials I find online suck.. |
| 19:23.12 | thebigdog | well your class should mimic the real world object for starters |
| 19:23.33 | thebigdog | getters and setters are really used for reflection settings |
| 19:23.44 | thebigdog | in php i dont use alot of getters and setters |
| 19:24.02 | thebigdog | what type of class are you creating? |
| 19:24.08 | thebigdog | lets start with that |
| 19:24.33 | thebigdog | classes should be your domain objects |
| 19:24.43 | thebigdog | or your blueprint for domain objects |
| 19:25.21 | JacobKerr | a view_cart class LOL.. |
| 19:25.37 | thebigdog | that would probably not be a good class imho |
| 19:25.43 | thebigdog | that would be an action of a class |
| 19:25.46 | thebigdog | on that object |
| 19:25.51 | thebigdog | so cart might be the class |
| 19:26.01 | thebigdog | and view cart would be an action that the class can take |
| 19:26.48 | JacobKerr | yeah should be cart->view_cart(); / cart->update() etc. hu.. |
| 19:26.56 | thebigdog | yep |
| 19:27.00 | thebigdog | so the domain object is a cart |
| 19:27.06 | JacobKerr | Cool. |
| 19:27.08 | thebigdog | cart might have other domain objects in it |
| 19:27.11 | thebigdog | like person/user |
| 19:27.14 | thebigdog | items |
| 19:27.16 | thebigdog | etc |
| 19:27.36 | thebigdog | that means you have domain object associations |
| 19:27.41 | JacobKerr | Well the cart is alread built I am just building a custom cart view.. |
| 19:27.42 | thebigdog | and there are types of associations |
| 19:28.05 | thebigdog | then you might want to create your own custom class like MyCart |
| 19:28.17 | thebigdog | that has a reference to their cart object in it |
| 19:28.47 | JacobKerr | Well the cart is PERL and I do not know PERL at all. |
| 19:28.48 | mgeary | i'd suggest you have a "getCartContents()" function that passes an array to your template, and your template lays it out as needed |
| 19:29.12 | mgeary | *function of your Cart object |
| 19:29.27 | JacobKerr | Hmmm.. sounds good. |
| 19:29.43 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, mixing langs like that can be problematic |
| 19:29.56 | thebigdog | when dealing in the same layer |
| 19:30.06 | JacobKerr | Yeah so right now my PHP page is just taking a post and goes from there.. |
| 19:30.56 | JacobKerr | it's going to be a pain but I guess that's what we get for getting a PERL cart... I'm not really interested in learning PERL eather it looks like a really big pain.. |
| 19:31.17 | thebigdog | so you want ot view the cart with php then? |
| 19:31.25 | thebigdog | the cart does not have that functionality? |
| 19:31.40 | JacobKerr | yeah.. because I need to setup a XML generation and post it to an API... |
| 19:32.04 | JacobKerr | no it does not.. |
| 19:33.07 | thebigdog | explain your thought process on how you want it to work and we can give some ideas |
| 19:33.15 | thebigdog | walk through the process |
| 19:35.42 | JacobKerr | Well the thing is I need to make an XML file for all the orders and send it to an API system so since I do not know PERL and the cart sux so I can not just capture the order right before it's processed I need to make a new cart view page. If the cart only saved the order in the DB I could setup a cronjob to send all the orders to the API once a day... |
| 19:37.53 | JacobKerr | I know what I need to do I am just trying to learn as much as I go. I want to get writing classes down. I think I will just make a cart class and go from there.. |
| 19:43.35 | JacobKerr | What's a good way to make global variables in a function in a class :) |
| 19:48.18 | justingiboney | how do i find out where my PEAR classes are? |
| 19:49.45 | cole_joplin | PEAR is evil.......just evil |
| 19:50.10 | beandog | whatever, pear rawks |
| 19:51.06 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, just set up class vars |
| 19:52.03 | JacobKerr | k, so if I have a function in my class that develops a multidimensional array can I access that array in another function or can I just set it as global like I would outside of a class? |
| 19:53.07 | thebigdog | set it in the class as a var |
| 19:53.18 | thebigdog | so the functions have access to it via the $this-> |
| 19:53.37 | JacobKerr | oh yeah great idea.. :) |
| 19:53.51 | JacobKerr | I set all my var in my class.. |
| 19:53.59 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.classobj.php |
| 19:54.19 | thebigdog | member properties and class vars are names for them |
| 19:54.22 | JacobKerr | nice, thanx// |
| 19:54.28 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 19:55.11 | JacobKerr | $this->cart_item[$counter] = $value; . Is that ok? |
| 19:55.44 | thebigdog | looks right |
| 19:56.00 | JacobKerr | k, thanx! That's going to help me allot.. |
| 19:57.42 | thebigdog | np |
| 19:57.54 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, you have a php book? |
| 19:58.26 | thebigdog | if you dont i would suggest you getting one that the channel might recommend |
| 19:58.29 | JacobKerr | No I have been using the internet but I'm having a hard time finding good resources sometimes.. |
| 19:59.45 | JacobKerr | *sources :) |
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| 20:21.03 | justingiboney | why am i getting a parse error on line 2 of this <?php |
| 20:21.03 | justingiboney | include_path = ".:/usr/lib/php/"; |
| 20:21.03 | justingiboney | require_once("DB.php"); |
| 20:21.03 | justingiboney | ?> |
| 20:22.18 | thebigdog | cause you can do that |
| 20:22.27 | thebigdog | you need a $include_path... |
| 20:22.41 | thebigdog | but that is not how to set the include path if that is what you are doing |
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| 20:24.44 | justingiboney | how do I do it then? |
| 20:24.54 | thebigdog | set_ini |
| 20:25.04 | thebigdog | check that out on php.net/set_ini |
| 20:31.16 | mgeary | hey, if i can *pay* through paypal, can i *receive*? or does something special need to be done? I've never tried it |
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| 20:32.36 | thebigdog | you can receive with paypal...they require setup and they will take a cut |
| 20:32.46 | influx^^ | very small cut |
| 20:32.50 | thebigdog | you can use paypal to do billing |
| 20:32.53 | mgeary | so i'd need to go into my paypal account and set something up? |
| 20:33.00 | mgeary | i've got a situation here where someone wants to buy a license to a small Flash thing i built, and PayPal sounds like the easiest approach |
| 20:34.57 | mgeary | hmm. i'm in PP now. i'll try the Request Money feature |
| 20:39.40 | mindjuju | thx dataw0lf, i was going to ask you about FXP since i was transfering a massive website between 2 servers, to see if i would get any benefits, but just decided to do FTP |
| 20:43.36 | mgeary | is there an OSS way to zip & password-protect a directory? |
| 20:43.48 | mgeary | something that's not super easy to crack? |
| 20:43.52 | mindjuju | 7zip |
| 20:44.20 | mgeary | hrm. doesn't work on OS X |
| 20:44.31 | mindjuju | oh, sorry |
| 20:45.05 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:45.18 | mgeary | maybe it does |
| 20:45.27 | PoeticIntensity | it works in Linux.... |
| 20:45.31 | mgeary | http://homepage.mac.com/krmathis/ |
| 20:45.39 | PoeticIntensity | and that increases the possibility of it working on Unix.. |
| 20:45.47 | PoeticIntensity | and OS X is built upon Unix... |
| 20:45.48 | PoeticIntensity | so.. |
| 20:45.49 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:46.06 | mgeary | yeah, i got it |
| 20:46.09 | mindjuju | i hope you can get it to work, we've shift our operation from winzip to 7zip |
| 20:46.16 | mindjuju | no problems that i know of |
| 20:46.20 | PoeticIntensity | what's so great about 7zip? |
| 20:46.26 | mindjuju | it's sexy |
| 20:46.28 | PoeticIntensity | I've heard of / used it.... but don't know jack about it. |
| 20:46.32 | PoeticIntensity | ah... yes. |
| 20:46.33 | mindjuju | it's free |
| 20:46.36 | PoeticIntensity | free is good. |
| 20:46.41 | mindjuju | let's you zip to exe |
| 20:46.46 | PoeticIntensity | pkzip is free, too, though... |
| 20:46.48 | mindjuju | so the other dude doesn't have to have a zip |
| 20:46.49 | PoeticIntensity | and does exe. |
| 20:46.56 | mindjuju | pkzip is free? |
| 20:47.00 | PoeticIntensity | I've never had to pay for it. |
| 20:47.02 | mindjuju | i might have to look into that |
| 20:47.06 | mindjuju | i grew up on pkzip |
| 20:47.12 | PoeticIntensity | I used pkzip / unzip when I was using DOS. |
| 20:47.20 | mindjuju | yar! fo sho! |
| 20:47.26 | PoeticIntensity | and I didn't have to pay for it... |
| 20:47.29 | mindjuju | spanning games over a couple of floppies |
| 20:47.32 | PoeticIntensity | maybe it wasn't free... I don't remember. |
| 20:47.38 | PoeticIntensity | aw yeah, brother. |
| 20:47.42 | mindjuju | well, they had it shareware style |
| 20:47.45 | mindjuju | but with no bite |
| 20:47.49 | mgeary | mindjuju: hrm. can you give me an example? |
| 20:47.51 | PoeticIntensity | true... |
| 20:48.01 | mindjuju | mgeary, example? |
| 20:48.06 | PoeticIntensity | snipes and sopwith ON THE SAME FLOPPY!! |
| 20:48.34 | mgeary | 7za -p somepassword archive.zip directory_to_zip |
| 20:48.34 | mindjuju | played sopwith but not snipes |
| 20:48.43 | mgeary | gives me "Incorrect command line" |
| 20:48.50 | PoeticIntensity | snipes was *waaay* before sopwith. |
| 20:49.00 | PoeticIntensity | back before consumer HDs existed. |
| 20:49.12 | PoeticIntensity | played it on our brand-new 8088. |
| 20:49.16 | PoeticIntensity | 4 MHZ |
| 20:49.18 | PoeticIntensity | 64K memory |
| 20:49.20 | PoeticIntensity | no HD. |
| 20:49.27 | PoeticIntensity | *dual* 5 1/4" floppies... |
| 20:49.32 | PoeticIntensity | snipes was the shiz. :) |
| 20:50.33 | mgeary | also, can 7za create password-protected "standard" zip files? that WinZip can extract? |
| 20:50.38 | PoeticIntensity | http://abandonia.com/games/1058/Snipes |
| 20:50.43 | PoeticIntensity | there's a good download for ya. |
| 20:51.58 | mindjuju | mgeary, we haven't had a problem with people being able to open ours |
| 20:52.23 | mindjuju | but it seems like winzip 11 had something that was off standard and caused 7zip and everybody else to not be able to open thier zips |
| 20:52.30 | mindjuju | i can't remember exactly what it was though |
| 20:53.05 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - never played snipes, did you ever play hard hat mac? |
| 20:53.37 | mgeary | mindjuju: got it. thanks |
| 20:53.44 | beandog | Ive been playing Beneath a Steel Sky this week |
| 20:53.44 | PoeticIntensity | sounds familiar, mindjuju .... |
| 20:53.53 | beandog | fun stuff |
| 20:54.07 | PoeticIntensity | I went and bought the retail version of Enemy Territory : Quake Wars |
| 20:54.15 | mindjuju | where you're running around a building, trying to put the rivets in as fast as you can, and dodging the OSHA guy |
| 20:54.16 | PoeticIntensity | good, good fun. |
| 20:54.26 | PoeticIntensity | yes, mindjuju, I've played that! |
| 20:54.35 | PoeticIntensity | hehe..... Rampage was akin to that... |
| 20:55.18 | mindjuju | yeah, rampage was good times with the godzilla dude and king kong |
| 20:55.54 | mgeary | Rampage++ |
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| 21:07.42 | PoeticIntensity | $combined_array["Difference"][$test_counter] = (!empty($combined_array[$current_year][$current_year."-".$test_counter."-01 00:00:00"])) ? 100 - ($combined_array[$previous_year]["$previous_year-$test_counter-01 00:00:00"] / $combined_array[$current_year]["$current_year-$test_counter-01 00:00:00"] * 100) : 0.00; |
| 21:07.45 | PoeticIntensity | whoops... |
| 21:07.49 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.abandonia.com/games/en/167/Rampage.htm |
| 21:08.08 | PoeticIntensity | there's Rampage! |
| 21:11.44 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:12.01 | mindjuju | did you ever play rampart? |
| 21:12.37 | mindjuju | tetris + rts = fun fun fun |
| 21:13.50 | synic | I'll show you what's fun fun fun |
| 21:13.52 | synic | ~lart mindjuju |
| 21:13.52 | jbot | burns mindjuju to a crisp with a laser |
| 21:14.01 | mindjuju | hah |
| 21:14.07 | mindjuju | ~poo synic |
| 21:14.07 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at synic |
| 21:18.05 | PoeticIntensity | I loved Rampart! |
| 21:21.01 | mindjuju | ^5 PoeticIntensity |
| 21:21.11 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.abandonia.com/games/en/488/Rampart.htm |
| 21:21.14 | PoeticIntensity | how's that for awesome? |
| 21:21.18 | PoeticIntensity | there's Rampart! |
| 21:21.22 | PoeticIntensity | man.... |
| 21:21.27 | PoeticIntensity | lots of *great* abandonware. |
| 21:22.26 | PoeticIntensity | darn... |
| 21:22.32 | PoeticIntensity | looks like Rampart is under some weird license. |
| 21:27.01 | Utah_Dave | linux question: |
| 21:27.15 | Utah_Dave | If I have a fairly large log file |
| 21:27.39 | PoeticIntensity | delete it. |
| 21:27.41 | PoeticIntensity | all of it. |
| 21:27.45 | Utah_Dave | If I do 'cat ./log.txt' and it takes 15 seconds to display the whole file, does it lock the file while I'm reading it? |
| 21:27.59 | PoeticIntensity | nope. |
| 21:28.12 | Utah_Dave | OK, so the app can continue to append to it. |
| 21:28.16 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 21:28.28 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not 100% sure, but I've been reading and running and appending to files all at the same time. |
| 21:28.39 | PoeticIntensity | might wanna make get a 2nd opinion, though. |
| 21:28.54 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not 100% sure, but I'd be *super* surprised to find out otherwise. |
| 21:29.12 | PoeticIntensity | oh wait.... yes I am. |
| 21:29.20 | Utah_Dave | so far, that appears to be the case. |
| 21:29.21 | PoeticIntensity | I tail things all the time while they're being appended. |
| 21:29.27 | PoeticIntensity | tail -f /log/whatever |
| 21:29.29 | PoeticIntensity | and watch it go up. |
| 21:29.41 | PoeticIntensity | so yeah... |
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| 21:32.03 | PoeticIntensity | I'm 99.9% sure. |
| 21:35.51 | cycokilr | yes, if you cat a file it does not lock it.. |
| 21:35.56 | cycokilr | 100% known |
| 21:37.03 | cycokilr | you can vi a log file and it will continue to be appended to.. |
| 21:41.11 | mgeary | hahahahah |
| 21:41.12 | mgeary | check this out: |
| 21:41.13 | mgeary | http://www.alertmonitor.org/?q=updatescan |
| 21:41.29 | mgeary | how pathetic |
| 21:43.56 | beandog | oh man |
| 21:44.21 | mgeary | awful, eh? |
| 21:44.27 | beandog | http://homestarrunner.stores.yahoo.net/ehsteve.html |
| 21:44.30 | beandog | ^^ must have :D |
| 21:44.54 | beandog | mgeary, lol, what a scam |
| 21:45.40 | beandog | did you close the window? |
| 21:45.42 | beandog | you get a popup |
| 21:45.49 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:45.49 | beandog | "youre still infected!1 aaaaaaaaaaaaiiiie1 |
| 21:45.55 | mgeary | pathetic |
| 21:48.42 | beandog | :) |
| 21:49.01 | beandog | talk about preying on the uninformed |
| 21:49.43 | Utah_Dave | that's funny. It found all these window viruses on my machine... and I'm running Ubuntu |
| 21:50.53 | Utah_Dave | and they don't take no for an answer! |
| 21:50.55 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 21:51.39 | mgeary | yeah, me to, on my mac |
| 21:51.41 | mgeary | *too |
| 21:52.35 | Utah_Dave | ~alarmmonitor.org mindjuju |
| 21:53.12 | bradym | anyone used graphpite? http://graphpite.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:54.18 | mgeary | i have |
| 21:54.23 | mgeary | been a while, though |
| 21:54.28 | mgeary | i used it to make "spider web" charts |
| 21:54.58 | bradym | just noticed it's now a pear package... |
| 21:55.08 | mgeary | right |
| 21:57.09 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 21:57.19 | PoeticIntensity | that "alertmonitor" crap is dangerous. |
| 21:57.35 | PoeticIntensity | my parents would buy that crap in a heartbeat. |
| 21:57.42 | PoeticIntensity | just because they'd be scared to do otherwise. |
| 21:57.45 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 21:57.51 | PoeticIntensity | that pop up uses bad grammar... |
| 21:57.57 | PoeticIntensity | "You PC is still infected!" |
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| 22:08.11 | bradym | hmm.. don't really want to mess with pear.. any suggestions for a good charting class? |
| 22:13.22 | thebigdog | pear rocks |
| 22:17.59 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:19.52 | bradym | everytime i've tried to use something from pear i'm reminded of what it's like to be in dll hell |
| 22:20.10 | thebigdog | reminds me of perl cpan |
| 22:20.22 | thebigdog | you need like 50 packages until you get what you want |
| 22:20.38 | bradym | yep |
| 22:26.30 | mindjuju | hey, thebigdog , were you the person telling me you can speed up page loading time by offloading common page elements to another domain? |
| 22:28.04 | tierra | I do prefer extraneous libraries kept out of the base PHP package... if it's large, but only something maybe < 10% of apps use, it shouldn't be in the base package |
| 22:28.26 | mgeary | mindjuju: if you're concerned about loading time, you should check you Yahoo's Firefox extension "Y-slow" |
| 22:28.38 | tierra | that's also very helpful for any projects that don't have a solid, stable package available for use... just testing/beta quality stuff |
| 22:29.10 | tierra | pretty much every language does something similar |
| 22:29.36 | tierra | for wxWidgets, that equivalent is wxCode.org |
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| 22:29.49 | tierra | for the C++ language itself, that's Boost :) |
| 22:30.13 | tierra | for Python, the Cheeseshop |
| 22:30.25 | tierra | Perl ... CPAN ... |
| 22:30.28 | tierra | you get the idea |
| 22:31.05 | mindjuju | mgeary, i'll check that out, but want to find ways to add additional speed |
| 22:31.22 | mindjuju | sounded like some of the larger sites were doing something similar |
| 22:31.36 | mgeary | Y-slow evaluates several things on a given page and comes back with several suggestions |
| 22:31.46 | mgeary | it's actually pretty decent |
| 22:40.16 | mindjuju | Hot Tamales are good |
| 22:40.59 | mgeary | indeed |
| 22:42.31 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i might have mentioned it |
| 22:42.39 | thebigdog | i use an image server for one |
| 22:42.47 | thebigdog | all my site images come from an image server |
| 22:42.59 | mindjuju | is it a server you control or is a hosted service? |
| 22:43.08 | thebigdog | i control it |
| 22:43.36 | mindjuju | so your website is www.example.com and images.example.com , right |
| 22:43.46 | mindjuju | and something about the browser gets 4 connections for each? |
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| 22:44.26 | mindjuju | can't seem to find anything in google, but we first talked about it, i had several articles saying how good it was |
| 22:44.43 | mindjuju | significant decrease in display time |
| 22:45.01 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:45.06 | mgeary | that's the behavior of most browsers |
| 22:45.10 | mgeary | only 4 streams per server |
| 22:46.28 | mindjuju | i wonder if i can get the same result with 1 server and a cname? |
| 22:46.47 | mgeary | i'd think so. i believe it's all happening client-side |
| 22:47.36 | mgeary | you know who's been quiet lately? _psychic_ |
| 22:47.42 | mgeary | ~seen _psychic_ |
| 22:47.47 | jbot | _psychic_ <n=_psychic@66.7.114.125> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 8d 1h 11m 10s ago, saying: 'ugh with static commit log messages'. |
| 22:47.58 | mgeary | 8 days. must be on vacation |
| 22:48.13 | mindjuju | good ole' _psychic_ |
| 22:51.18 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you can do that |
| 22:51.36 | thebigdog | you can set up cnames like img1...imgN |
| 22:51.49 | thebigdog | then you can do like dns roundrobin stuff |
| 22:52.53 | mindjuju | so is having my html on www.example.com and images and js on images.example.com not enough? |
| 22:53.30 | herlo | ~lart thebigdog for recommending using cnames |
| 22:53.30 | jbot | beats thebigdog severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for recommending using cnames |
| 22:53.52 | thebigdog | ~smack herlo |
| 22:53.53 | jbot | ACTION smacks herlo upside the head. |
| 22:54.09 | thebigdog | mindjuju, depends on what you are wanting to do |
| 22:54.13 | herlo | thebigdog: what in the world are you recommending that for... |
| 22:55.11 | thebigdog | spill your complaint herlo |
| 22:55.28 | herlo | the *only* benefit for cnames is to go *outside* the domain. If you are inside the domain, use A records |
| 22:55.41 | herlo | otherwise, you have to do at least two lookups |
| 22:55.44 | cycokilr | yes |
| 22:55.47 | cycokilr | slower |
| 22:55.52 | cycokilr | my boss uses them.. |
| 22:55.55 | cycokilr | can't stand it.. |
| 22:56.01 | herlo | ~hug cycokilr |
| 22:56.02 | jbot | ACTION hugs cycokilr |
| 22:56.05 | thebigdog | well if the image are on a sep domain |
| 22:56.15 | cycokilr | if you understand how dns works, you wouldn't use cnames for hardly anything.. |
| 22:56.19 | herlo | thebigdog: but you used example.com in both |
| 22:56.31 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 22:58.07 | cycokilr | it's a common thing though.. a lot of people use cnames (which should be gotten rid of completely btw) without understanding the repercussions.. |
| 22:58.20 | cycokilr | s/btw/imo/ |
| 23:09.27 | timinator | gotta run.... later guys |
| 23:09.51 | cycokilr | whatever, he was scared.. |
| 23:09.59 | cycokilr | dns conversations can be scary.. |
| 23:10.31 | mgeary | no arguments there |
| 23:10.44 | mindjuju | still learning, here |
| 23:11.20 | cycokilr | oh man, i checked our mail server this morning and there were 17 hops to get to it from my house.. and it's here at our office 10 mins away.. |
| 23:11.29 | cycokilr | some of those are understandable.. |
| 23:11.42 | cycokilr | some are my boss' silly notion that cnames are cool.. |
| 23:11.56 | cycokilr | alright, i'll shut up about the dns and cname stuff now.. |
| 23:12.00 | cycokilr | just know i really hate 'em.. |
| 23:12.01 | *** part/#uphpu cole_jopli1 (n=cjoplin@gw.helius.com) |
| 23:12.02 | mindjuju | on thebigdog 's part, he prolly didn't notice that i had mentioned cname and found himself lynched in an indefensible position |
| 23:14.27 | thebigdog | i agree with the cname...it is really common on mail stuff...i was thinking that the images were on a sep domain |
| 23:15.07 | thebigdog | but it is all good...i just like peeps to just say if i miss something and let other know...i dont care if other correct me...i have not ill will towards anyone |
| 23:15.24 | thebigdog | and sometimes i dont read everything |
| 23:15.42 | thebigdog | im glad you guys caught that and made sure he does it right |
| 23:16.09 | mindjuju | so, what the heck is this called righthere.example.com |
| 23:16.16 | mindjuju | the righthere part |
| 23:16.26 | mindjuju | cause back in IIS 4, they called it the host header |
| 23:16.37 | dataw0lf | subdomain |
| 23:16.40 | mindjuju | and i've been calling it that, then realized it was wrong |
| 23:17.01 | mindjuju | k, so it is subdomain.domain.tld |
| 23:17.29 | mgeary | subsubdomain.subdomain.domain.tld |
| 23:18.03 | mindjuju | k |
| 23:18.19 | mgeary | subsubsubdomain.subsubdomain.subdomain.domain.tld ... ;) |
| 23:18.34 | mgeary | and reboots |
| 23:18.35 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:18.42 | herlo | zone |
| 23:18.51 | mindjuju | zone? |
| 23:18.57 | herlo | a zone is a set of subdomains that dns server is currently responsible for |
| 23:19.26 | mindjuju | yeah, no i can dig zone |
| 23:19.29 | mindjuju | the whole dns record |
| 23:19.32 | dataw0lf | hah, 'dig zone' |
| 23:19.34 | dataw0lf | hahahaha |
| 23:19.35 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 23:19.37 | dataw0lf | hum |
| 23:19.38 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 23:19.38 | herlo | dataw0lf: yeah |
| 23:19.41 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 23:19.49 | herlo | very entertaining if you get the joke! |
| 23:19.51 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:20.03 | mindjuju | ~wiki dig zone |
| 23:20.10 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:20.11 | herlo | mindjuju: dataw0lf is referrring to the unix/linux tool called dig (similar, yet better than nslookup) |
| 23:20.18 | mindjuju | ah |
| 23:20.34 | herlo | ~wiki dig |
| 23:20.38 | mindjuju | judging by ya'lls reaction, i almost thought it was NSFW |
| 23:20.49 | herlo | ~wiki dig dns |
| 23:20.59 | dataw0lf | ~google dig dns |
| 23:21.03 | dataw0lf | (does jbot support google?) |
| 23:21.04 | herlo | ~wiki host |
| 23:21.07 | dataw0lf | apparently not |
| 23:21.13 | herlo | dataw0lf: she used to... |
| 23:21.16 | dataw0lf | ~wiki 'dig dns' |
| 23:21.24 | herlo | ~google dig dns |
| 23:21.31 | mindjuju | http://www.kloth.net/services/dig.php |
| 23:21.45 | cycokilr | dig zone, that was a good one.. |
| 23:21.47 | herlo | mindjuju: the official location of dig is at www.isc.org |
| 23:22.02 | herlo | last I checked, anyway |
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| 23:24.35 | PoeticIntensity | I'm currently finding something quite annoying, and am wondering if anyone can help me. |
| 23:24.42 | PoeticIntensity | Here's my problem: (I just posted it) |
| 23:24.47 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=personal_entry&eid=3300&user=1 |
| 23:24.57 | PoeticIntensity | I would *greatly* appreciate any feedback. |
| 23:26.18 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, which firefox you running |
| 23:26.31 | PoeticIntensity | It's been happening since 2.0.0 |
| 23:26.35 | PoeticIntensity | now running 2.0.8 |
| 23:26.38 | PoeticIntensity | actually... |
| 23:26.46 | PoeticIntensity | I've never even *seen* firebug in action. |
| 23:26.53 | synic | that's too bad. |
| 23:26.54 | PoeticIntensity | I've installed it on *all* of my 5 machines. |
| 23:27.00 | PoeticIntensity | it works on none of them. |
| 23:27.26 | PoeticIntensity | installs just fine... |
| 23:27.29 | cycokilr | yeah, it's probably cause of gentoo.. |
| 23:27.32 | PoeticIntensity | comes up with all the right icons and crud.... |
| 23:27.39 | PoeticIntensity | just...... doesn't...... DO.... ANYTHING..... |
| 23:27.55 | PoeticIntensity | any gentoo users in here get it running successfully? |
| 23:28.16 | PoeticIntensity | ack... I've gotta get home! |
| 23:31.48 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |