| 00:00.10 | mgeary | it's taken about a solid week just to reverse-engineer/splice into their code |
| 00:00.11 | mgeary | ugh |
| 00:00.26 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 00:00.27 | jbot | i guess mgeary is . NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127,a person who does not, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart, or the resident flash guru |
| 00:00.41 | mgeary | "who does not"? |
| 00:00.55 | mgeary | jbot: my factoid is a mess |
| 00:00.55 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 00:01.06 | mgeary | ~my factoid |
| 00:01.06 | jbot | it has been said that my factoid is a mess |
| 00:01.09 | mgeary | hah |
| 00:01.11 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 00:01.12 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 00:01.28 | mindjuju | you should rebuild it |
| 00:01.30 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 00:01.31 | jbot | i heard mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats |
| 00:01.43 | mindjuju | ~dataw0lf |
| 00:01.44 | jbot | dataw0lf is, like, sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine, or ehl oh ehl, or a guy who likes to bash stuff |
| 00:01.57 | mgeary | i think factoids are better when others build/append them spontaneously |
| 00:02.31 | dataw0lf | jbot: dataw0lf is also a guy who needs help moving |
| 00:02.31 | jbot | dataw0lf: okay |
| 00:02.35 | dataw0lf | ~dataw0lf |
| 00:02.35 | jbot | it has been said that dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine, or ehl oh ehl, or a guy who ... |
| 00:02.46 | mgeary | ~call dataw0lf's local Elder's Quorum |
| 00:02.46 | jbot | ACTION looks around and then screams out dataw0lf's local Elder's Quorum as loudly as possible |
| 00:02.52 | fungus | lol buffer overflow |
| 00:03.30 | mindjuju | jbot: forget mgeary |
| 00:03.30 | jbot | i forgot mgeary, mindjuju |
| 00:03.43 | mindjuju | jbot mgeary is not this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart |
| 00:03.44 | jbot | ACTION is not this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 00:03.50 | mgeary | hah |
| 00:04.04 | mindjuju | jbot, mgeary is not this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart |
| 00:04.04 | jbot | ACTION is not this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 00:04.11 | mgeary | that mgeary action has GOT to go. it was created under erroneous conditions |
| 00:04.39 | mgeary | some(dork|one) thought i didn't know what a bot was |
| 00:04.44 | mindjuju | jbot: mgeary is not this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart |
| 00:04.45 | jbot | ACTION is not this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 00:04.52 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 00:04.57 | mgeary | ~mgeary mindjuju |
| 00:04.57 | jbot | ACTION mindjuju is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 00:05.19 | mindjuju | jbot, forget mgeary |
| 00:05.19 | jbot | mindjuju: i didn't have anything called 'mgeary' to forget |
| 00:05.25 | mgeary | i don't know how to forget an action |
| 00:05.27 | mindjuju | ~mgeary mindjuju |
| 00:05.28 | jbot | ACTION mindjuju is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 00:05.31 | dataw0lf | jbot: mgeary is not the resident flash guru |
| 00:05.32 | jbot | ACTION is not the resident flash guru is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 00:05.45 | dataw0lf | jbot: forget mgeary |
| 00:05.45 | jbot | dataw0lf: i didn't have anything called 'mgeary' to forget |
| 00:05.46 | mindjuju | jbot, forget command mgeary |
| 00:05.46 | jbot | i didn't have anything called 'command mgeary' to forget, mindjuju |
| 00:06.04 | mgeary | jbot: forget action mgeary |
| 00:06.04 | jbot | mgeary: i didn't have anything called 'action mgeary' to forget |
| 00:06.09 | mindjuju | jbot, forget ~mgeary |
| 00:06.09 | jbot | mindjuju: i didn't have anything called '~mgeary' to forget |
| 00:06.18 | mindjuju | curious |
| 00:06.20 | mgeary | yeah |
| 00:06.25 | mindjuju | help jbot |
| 00:06.29 | mindjuju | jbot, help |
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| 00:14.28 | orsonj | forget mgeary $1 |
| 00:14.35 | mgeary | ahh |
| 00:14.37 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 00:14.42 | mgeary | ~mgeary orsonj |
| 00:14.43 | jbot | ACTION orsonj is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 00:14.47 | mgeary | nice try |
| 00:15.01 | mgeary | jbot: forget mgeary $1 |
| 00:15.01 | jbot | i didn't have anything called 'mgeary $1' to forget, mgeary |
| 00:15.14 | mgeary | ~forget ~mgeary $1 |
| 00:15.14 | jbot | i didn't have anything called '~mgeary $1' to forget, mgeary |
| 00:29.01 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 00:29.50 | bradym | ~lart firefox |
| 00:29.50 | jbot | chops firefox in half with a free AOL CD |
| 00:30.52 | orsonj | wow, people don't say that very often in here |
| 00:31.07 | bradym | it's crashed on me at least 10 times today |
| 00:33.31 | bradym | then again, it wouldn't suprise me if it's cause i'm using windoze |
| 00:33.44 | Utah_Dave | bradym: I've had it crash several times today on Ubuntu |
| 00:33.51 | Utah_Dave | when viewing flash videos |
| 00:34.05 | Utah_Dave | jbot: forget ~mgeary |
| 00:34.06 | jbot | Utah_Dave: i didn't have anything called '~mgeary' to forget |
| 00:34.32 | bradym | i haven't tried to view anything with flash.. just crashing on pain old html pages |
| 00:35.57 | orsonj | I I wonder if there is a problem with the most recent update |
| 00:36.28 | bradym | i think so, another guy here at work has had problems since the update too |
| 00:37.10 | bradym | ~destroy microsoft |
| 00:37.10 | jbot | no |
| 00:37.16 | bradym | yes! |
| 00:43.36 | bradym | huh.. seems to be a javascript problem.. last post on this thread seems to have fixed it: http://www.castlecops.com/p999074-firefox_crashes_in_yahoo_games.html |
| 00:51.32 | Utah_Dave | bradym: that seems to have worked for me |
| 00:51.50 | bradym | cool :) |
| 00:54.58 | mindjuju | ugh, i hate going through the toy recalls to see if there is something we bought that is bad |
| 00:55.19 | mindjuju | feels like roulette |
| 01:10.26 | burnin | mindjuju, its probably best to just buy a shovel and let the kids dig holes in the backyard. :) |
| 01:10.47 | burnin | dirt, the only toy any child really needs. |
| 01:11.16 | mindjuju | what did i ask that yielded that answer? |
| 01:11.28 | burnin | <mindjuju> ugh, i hate going through the toy recalls to see if there is something we bought that is bad |
| 01:11.40 | mindjuju | oh yeah, |
| 01:11.49 | burnin | I assume your trying to weed through the lead tainted toys from china. |
| 01:11.51 | mindjuju | yeah, this toy stuff is crazy |
| 01:11.56 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 01:12.04 | mindjuju | we have v similar toys |
| 01:12.15 | mindjuju | so the diego thing we have one, but when I get home i have to check the lot num |
| 01:12.25 | mindjuju | and there is a geotrax that we have and I have to check the lot on that one too |
| 01:12.43 | burnin | what a pain. |
| 01:13.48 | burnin | a powerpoint based quiz? |
| 01:13.58 | orsonj | It pops up this "press the right arrow to continue" thing and points an arrow at a disabled right arrow. |
| 01:14.36 | orsonj | no, some flash thing |
| 01:15.22 | mindjuju | ugh, i'm stuck |
| 01:15.44 | mindjuju | don't want to spend $15 on pizza, and don't want to leave the office to get food |
| 01:16.04 | mindjuju | and i've had cold sandwiches for a LONG time and don't want to eat that |
| 01:16.20 | mindjuju | if only there was a whopper king around here |
| 01:19.45 | burnin | arctic circle fish isn't too bad for fast food. |
| 01:19.47 | mindjuju | apollo burger v taco H3ll v Betos v Del Taco v Wendys v A & W v Sonic |
| 01:20.24 | burnin | apollo burger, don't they have a good ruben sandwich? |
| 01:20.37 | mindjuju | i don't think so, it's all greek based |
| 01:20.55 | mindjuju | bummer, no article circle around here |
| 01:21.11 | mindjuju | maybe i'll get taco h3ll |
| 01:28.10 | orsonj | share my pain: http://tetratech.info/orson/dumb2.png |
| 01:29.40 | burnin | lol |
| 01:34.48 | bradym | mmm... apollo burger... |
| 01:50.01 | orsonj | aaaahhh. Done. no more stupidness |
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| 01:58.53 | mindjuju | man, i chose wrong |
| 01:59.41 | mindjuju | i was headed to taco h3ll, saw wendy's and thought, maybe wendy's... i should have asked how many 18 wheelers went through the oil before they decided to fry up some fries in it |
| 01:59.49 | mindjuju | oh, and if they filtered it before cooking with it |
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| 03:55.43 | mindjuju | looks blootbot based |
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| 13:11.33 | mindjuju | heh |
| 13:33.04 | herlo | mindjuju: morning |
| 13:33.48 | mindjuju | morning herlo |
| 13:33.58 | mindjuju | its been a heck of a night |
| 13:34.02 | mindjuju | but i'm nearly done now |
| 13:37.08 | herlo | mindjuju: all-nighter again? |
| 13:37.12 | herlo | wow |
| 13:37.50 | mindjuju | yeah, and then major DNS shift today for the company |
| 13:38.07 | mindjuju | but that won't start til 5p |
| 13:38.17 | mindjuju | i'll prolly be heading hom e here in about an hour or so |
| 13:38.41 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah, you deserve it, get some sleep |
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| 15:34.01 | jbot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up SunSparc |
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| 15:43.36 | mindjuju | fungus, you around? |
| 15:48.36 | JacobKerr | Good morning everyone! |
| 15:49.26 | fungus | Nope, I am asquare |
| 15:50.46 | wps | http://resources.bravenet.com/audio_clips/comedy_clips/homer_simpson_-_homer_laughing/listen/ |
| 15:51.17 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 16:01.11 | orsonj | actually, he is a "special" rhombus |
| 16:03.04 | wps | :) |
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| 16:07.34 | mgeary | morning all |
| 16:09.45 | mindjuju | morning mgeary |
| 16:13.36 | fungus | herlo: on a site named "fedora-tutorials" I expect your poll is biased. :) |
| 16:14.00 | herlo | fungus: I just asked a simple question |
| 16:15.25 | fungus | lol, that doesn't change anything. :) |
| 16:15.36 | herlo | fungus: I know :) |
| 16:15.57 | timinator | :) |
| 16:16.04 | herlo | fungus: see |
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| 16:17.37 | timinator | speaking of cats |
| 16:18.09 | timinator | this is a crazy and somewhat disturbing video of a lion safari |
| 16:18.12 | fungus | I am backing up my laptop now, prepping for the install. My disc just came 30min ago. |
| 16:18.22 | timinator | be warned.... might not be SFW |
| 16:18.22 | timinator | sftp://64.71.152.204//var/www/vhosts/html/files.timothyhumphrey/idiot_vs_lion.wmv |
| 16:18.29 | timinator | oops |
| 16:18.39 | mgeary | oh yeah, that's awful |
| 16:18.53 | timinator | http://files.timothyhumphrey.com/idiot_vs_lion.wmv |
| 16:20.40 | fungus | nice bandwidth timinator |
| 16:20.41 | wps | you have to feed a function the exact number of variables that it is looking for or you will get an error, right? |
| 16:20.49 | wps | meaning, if my function is: |
| 16:20.59 | timinator | ty |
| 16:21.09 | wps | function name($var1, $var2, $var3) { } |
| 16:21.17 | wps | …then I can't do… |
| 16:21.29 | fungus | Yes, unless the variables have default values. |
| 16:21.40 | wps | nav('asdf', 'asdf'); |
| 16:21.41 | wps | …right? |
| 16:21.49 | wps | oh, yes, that's right |
| 16:21.51 | wps | I can do this… |
| 16:21.52 | fungus | function name($var1,$var2=false,$var3=false) {} |
| 16:21.55 | timinator | you could do function name($var1="A", $var2="B", $var3="C") { } |
| 16:22.00 | wps | thanks |
| 16:22.10 | wps | that's what I was trying to remember |
| 16:31.08 | timinator | anyone watch that video? |
| 16:32.09 | mgeary | it's awwwful |
| 16:33.00 | mgeary | i mean, the guy *was* an idiot, but don't you think the family, in their 3 cars, could have driven close enough to perhaps scare off the lions? i dunno |
| 16:33.13 | mgeary | just to sit there and watch. ugh |
| 16:33.22 | mgeary | that'll scar you |
| 16:36.40 | timinator | ya, fo sho |
| 16:37.01 | timinator | I can't believe they all went on a lion safari.... and nobody brought a gun!!!! |
| 16:37.04 | timinator | DUH |
| 16:37.21 | timinator | he was being a complete idiot too |
| 16:38.13 | mgeary | but i will say, a Lion is a *very* intimidating creature. they are massive and *strong* |
| 16:38.54 | JacobKerr | hey guys I have a quick question |
| 16:39.12 | JacobKerr | Say you have a .cgi script saving to a session can you have php easily pull from that session??? |
| 16:39.31 | mgeary | if a session id is set |
| 16:39.34 | JacobKerr | can you use a foreach on $_SESSION ? |
| 16:39.44 | mgeary | use a foreach to do what? |
| 16:39.59 | JacobKerr | to print out all of the session values that .cgi ued to save to a session. |
| 16:40.18 | mgeary | a session is simply an associative array stored in a file on the server. access to that file is given by setting a session id |
| 16:40.21 | JacobKerr | I do not know what they used to make their session I just want to see everything in their session via php. |
| 16:40.32 | mgeary | so get the session id and do this: |
| 16:40.40 | mgeary | somepage.php?PHPSESSID=<sessionid> |
| 16:40.41 | JacobKerr | See I thought it was all server side and I could access it.. |
| 16:40.55 | mgeary | i think you need to give more context |
| 16:40.58 | JacobKerr | how do I find the session id? |
| 16:41.28 | mgeary | $sessionid = session_id(); |
| 16:41.30 | JacobKerr | ok all I know is .cgi is saving a session and I want to access that session via PHP (it's for a shopping cart) |
| 16:42.00 | mgeary | is the cgi PHP? |
| 16:42.12 | mgeary | 'cause if it's not, i doubt you can share the session data |
| 16:42.24 | JacobKerr | Hmmm.. |
| 16:42.32 | mgeary | unless you use a DB |
| 16:42.36 | mgeary | or flatfile, etc. |
| 16:42.46 | JacobKerr | K. |
| 16:43.36 | JacobKerr | so if I start the session in the PHP file then run a foreach on $_SESSION that will not do anything? |
| 16:44.09 | mgeary | not unless your cgi is using php's session methodology |
| 16:44.20 | mgeary | and even then, you'd have to pass the session id to the cgi |
| 16:44.33 | mgeary | which would be do-able, if the cgi was using php's session stuff |
| 16:45.20 | JacobKerr | it's all perl |
| 16:46.34 | mgeary | you may well need to "fake" it-- basically replicate a session mechanism using a shared unique key-- have the cgi write out a flatfile with name:value\n pairs, and pass that key to php, where php can then parse the file and retrieve data. you'd want to allow for cleanup of old sessions, as well |
| 16:48.44 | JacobKerr | will this work? http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/PHP-Session-0.26/lib/PHP/Session.pm |
| 16:49.10 | mgeary | looks like it would |
| 16:49.14 | JacobKerr | Sweet. |
| 16:50.50 | wps | preg_match_all() says that it returns the number of pattern matches |
| 16:50.56 | wps | I'm not getting anything back though |
| 16:51.04 | wps | I am expecting it to return a number |
| 16:51.08 | wps | is that not how it works? |
| 16:51.23 | mgeary | it should |
| 16:51.33 | mgeary | are you sure you're not getting a zero back? |
| 16:51.50 | wps | preg_match_all('/', $string); |
| 16:51.58 | mgeary | you need preg delimiters |
| 16:52.09 | mgeary | preg_match_all("//",$string); |
| 16:52.17 | mgeary | or |
| 16:52.22 | mgeary | preg_match_all("/matchme/",$string); |
| 16:52.35 | mgeary | but you need an opening and closing delimiter |
| 16:52.41 | mgeary | which is generally a forward slash |
| 16:53.15 | wps | are there any non-regex functions that return a count of all matches? |
| 16:53.31 | mgeary | you're worried about the overhead? |
| 16:53.55 | mgeary | or you just don't want to escape your string for preg-compliance? |
| 16:53.56 | wps | not necessarily… just try to use the pre-built functions when I can because they are easier and faster |
| 16:54.09 | mgeary | well yeah. use preg_match_all |
| 16:54.17 | mgeary | what's not working? |
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| 16:54.28 | mgeary | preg_match_all("/matchme/",$string); doesn't use any regular expression |
| 16:55.07 | mgeary | and preg_quote will escape any string that would have otherwise "significant" pregex chars |
| 16:56.27 | wps | here it is |
| 16:56.28 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.38 | mgeary | so you want to find forward slashes? |
| 16:56.40 | wps | $keyglob = 'asdf/asdf/asdf/asdf'; |
| 16:56.41 | mgeary | so do this: |
| 16:56.56 | mgeary | $match_count = preg_match_all("/\//',$keyglob); |
| 16:57.09 | wps | ah… (was trying to do that but was missing one of the slashes) |
| 16:57.10 | wps | thanks |
| 16:57.13 | mgeary | :) |
| 16:58.10 | wps | $est = preg_match_all('/\//', $keyglob);echo $est;die; |
| 16:58.17 | wps | still getting nothing echoed out |
| 16:58.42 | mgeary | huh. lemme tr |
| 16:58.43 | mgeary | try |
| 16:59.26 | mgeary | aah |
| 16:59.30 | mgeary | preg_match_all() expects at least 3 parameters |
| 16:59.46 | mgeary | echo preg_match_all("/\//",$tst,$matches); |
| 16:59.55 | mgeary | the 3rd param is an array of matched strings |
| 17:00.06 | mgeary | in preg_match it's optional, but not in match_all, apparently |
| 17:00.16 | mgeary | make sense? |
| 17:00.32 | mgeary | just pass an empty variable as a 3rd param and try again |
| 17:02.50 | wps | ah |
| 17:03.05 | wps | that did it |
| 17:03.05 | wps | thanks |
| 17:10.41 | wps | what's the name for the counting system that starts at zero instead of 1 |
| 17:10.42 | wps | ? |
| 17:11.29 | orsonj | zero based? |
| 17:11.43 | mgeary | neo-hegelian |
| 17:12.03 | mgeary | or was it post-nietzschian...? |
| 17:18.07 | JacobKerr | is PHP a markup of PERL? |
| 17:18.20 | mgeary | ~lart JacobKerr |
| 17:18.20 | jbot | gives JacobKerr a good seeing to |
| 17:18.38 | JacobKerr | Cool it has to be a markup of something right? |
| 17:18.53 | mgeary | php is php |
| 17:19.11 | JacobKerr | Hmmm... |
| 17:19.12 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 17:19.27 | JacobKerr | what process php?? |
| 17:19.41 | mgeary | the php module/cgi |
| 17:19.58 | JacobKerr | PHP is a markup of cig? |
| 17:20.02 | JacobKerr | cgi* |
| 17:20.22 | JacobKerr | so theres a bunch of cgi classes for php right.. |
| 17:20.26 | JacobKerr | or something like that.. |
| 17:20.32 | mgeary | no no no |
| 17:20.40 | mgeary | how can you have so much experience with php and not know this? |
| 17:21.00 | JacobKerr | I can use it but what's behind the scenes I do not know as much.. |
| 17:21.01 | mgeary | php has long been a c/c++ compiled application/module |
| 17:21.08 | JacobKerr | I never made PHP modules.. |
| 17:21.14 | JacobKerr | Swee.. |
| 17:21.21 | JacobKerr | ok good to know.. |
| 17:21.39 | mgeary | not trying to be offensive. just surprised |
| 17:22.10 | JacobKerr | so c/c++ microsoft???? |
| 17:22.40 | mgeary | no microsoft abou tit |
| 17:24.06 | dataw0lf- | well, PHP began as a collection of Perl scripts. Now it's written in C. |
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| 17:52.20 | PoeticIntensity | ok.... I'm having a stupid moment.... |
| 17:52.37 | PoeticIntensity | how in the world do I view that video timinator posted about the lions? |
| 17:52.48 | PoeticIntensity | browser / cli / everything doesn't seem to understand sftp. |
| 17:52.58 | timinator | use the second link |
| 17:53.01 | timinator | it's http |
| 17:53.02 | PoeticIntensity | and when I run sftp from the console, it asks for a password to connect to his server. |
| 17:53.06 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 17:53.06 | timinator | sorry for the mixup |
| 17:53.13 | PoeticIntensity | lemme read the backlog |
| 17:53.29 | timinator | just use this: http://files.timothyhumphrey.com/idiot_vs_lion.wmv |
| 17:56.33 | PoeticIntensity | wow...... |
| 17:56.38 | PoeticIntensity | sucks royally to be him. |
| 17:56.42 | PoeticIntensity | and.... no guns? |
| 17:56.46 | PoeticIntensity | are you serious? |
| 17:57.09 | PoeticIntensity | man alive... at least a pistol....... or .... a fog-horn... or something. |
| 17:57.36 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I agree with mgeary ... that video was awful.... |
| 17:57.38 | PoeticIntensity | ....yet... educational. |
| 17:57.59 | PoeticIntensity | never go on a friggin' lion safari without at least seeing if your brain is inside your head first. |
| 18:03.18 | timinator | fo sho |
| 18:08.47 | brasto | what linux command do you guys use to add users? I use 'adduser' on my freebsd machine, but it doesn't work on a linux box I' |
| 18:08.52 | brasto | I'm ssh'ed to |
| 18:09.14 | thebigdog | useradd |
| 18:14.56 | beandog | superadduser |
| 18:15.59 | thebigdog | bduseradd |
| 18:19.50 | herlo | brasto: not sure whats up with that, what distro? useradd and adduser are the same on many *nix distros these days |
| 18:19.59 | PoeticIntensity | personally, I use the afamed "sooperdooperuserperooser" |
| 18:20.17 | PoeticIntensity | (read: useradd) |
| 18:20.18 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 18:21.18 | brasto | useradd worked, but did not ask me for a password or for quota, or any of the things I'm used to... this is SLES 10 sp1 |
| 18:21.44 | PoeticIntensity | passwd <username> |
| 18:21.51 | PoeticIntensity | that's for the password (if you're using PAM) |
| 18:22.10 | PoeticIntensity | and the quota and all that other stuff, I believe, is in the params for the command. |
| 18:22.50 | brasto | right, I can do vipw and passwd for the other stuff. I'm just used to having a wizard. |
| 18:27.02 | brasto | that got me running though, so thanks guys |
| 18:27.49 | herlo | brasto: quotas are done in a separate tool as well as passwd, though you can technically include an encrypted passwd with the -p option of useradd |
| 18:27.59 | brasto | # sooperdooperuserperooser |
| 18:27.59 | brasto | -bash: sooperdooperuserperooser: command not found |
| 18:28.04 | brasto | jk ;) |
| 18:28.09 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 18:28.28 | herlo | quotas require a mount option, and quota initialization as well as enabling the quotas on a per user basis |
| 18:29.11 | brasto | herlo, is quota not one of the variables in vipw? |
| 18:29.31 | herlo | brasto: nope, its not |
| 18:29.44 | herlo | brasto: plus, I'd not use vipw, its not extremely helpful |
| 18:30.02 | herlo | use usermod, groupmod to do the editing of the users and groups |
| 18:30.19 | herlo | at least with vipw, if you make a typo it is useful |
| 18:31.32 | herlo | brasto: start studying for the RHCE |
| 18:32.59 | brasto | strange... with passwd I'm changing a password... I'm pasting the password, so there's no way it can't match... |
| 18:33.04 | herlo | brasto: they are worth it. I'll tell you that user group members get a big discount |
| 18:33.11 | brasto | it says "Sorry, passwords do not match"... |
| 18:33.14 | herlo | brasto: yeah, pasting doesn't work |
| 18:33.23 | herlo | you could be adding chars at either end... |
| 18:33.24 | PoeticIntensity | unless you're using the middle mouse-button. :) |
| 18:33.28 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: right |
| 18:33.31 | brasto | herlo, pasting worked for the other 2 user names, just not this one... |
| 18:33.40 | herlo | brasto: oops |
| 18:33.53 | herlo | I just don't paste passwords much |
| 18:34.04 | herlo | I have a standard set of throw-aways I give users, or I generate one from apg |
| 18:34.42 | brasto | I typed it manually three separate times, and it still didn't work |
| 18:34.59 | herlo | brasto: hmm |
| 18:35.04 | herlo | what do the logs say? |
| 18:35.08 | herlo | brasto: what distro? |
| 18:35.21 | brasto | sles 10 sp1 |
| 18:35.47 | herlo | brasto: passwd will give you some sort of error, probably in /var/log/messages |
| 18:36.14 | herlo | brasto: I assume you are doing this with either sudo or as root? |
| 18:36.25 | brasto | nothing in passwd since 10 AM |
| 18:36.41 | brasto | nothing in /var/log/messages I meant |
| 18:36.47 | brasto | as root |
| 18:36.57 | brasto | I guess it didn't like password same as user name... |
| 18:37.06 | brasto | although that worked for 2 other users... |
| 18:39.09 | brasto | any recommended program to list users? |
| 18:39.36 | herlo | is there a /var/log/secure |
| 18:39.48 | herlo | brasto: use 'getent passwd <username>' |
| 18:40.06 | herlo | brasto: usage is 'getent passwd [<username>]' |
| 18:40.10 | brasto | no /var/log/secure file |
| 18:42.09 | herlo | brasto: what's in there? |
| 18:43.53 | brasto | herlo: in /var/log? |
| 18:44.28 | herlo | brasto: yup |
| 18:45.38 | Utah_Dave | dang, I still don't have imap in my gmail account |
| 18:47.10 | unum | Utah_Dave: I told them to set yours up last |
| 18:47.21 | herlo | Utah_Dave: me neither |
| 18:48.19 | brasto | SaX.log, Xfree86.0.log, YaST2 (directory), boot.log, boot.msg, boot.omsg, canna (directory), convert_for_getconfig.log, cups (directory) ebms-engine.log, faillog, http (directory), kdm.log, lastlog, localmessages, mail, mail.err, mail.info, mail.warn, messages, mpid, news (directory), ntp, rc.dhcpd.log, rcd (directory), samba (directory), scald, scpm, scrollkeeper.log, slpd.log, smpppd (directory) update-messages, warn, wtmp, xinetd.log |
| 18:48.34 | Utah_Dave | ~thank unum |
| 18:48.34 | jbot | no problem, Utah_Dave |
| 18:48.44 | brasto | gmail allows imap now? |
| 18:48.54 | brasto | that was my primary reason for not using gmail... |
| 18:48.55 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 18:49.04 | Utah_Dave | and unum put me last on the list for the upgrade!! |
| 18:49.22 | brasto | unum's in charge of gmail??? |
| 18:49.35 | Utah_Dave | apparently |
| 18:49.37 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 18:49.37 | brasto | ~hail unum |
| 18:49.38 | jbot | ACTION bows down to unum and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 18:50.43 | brasto | herlo, ^ up there ^ I have my directory contents for /var/log |
| 18:51.00 | brasto | getent passwd <username> |
| 18:51.21 | herlo | brasto: try warn |
| 18:52.21 | brasto | that's the same as grep -i <username> /etc/passwd ? |
| 18:52.56 | brasto | warn seems to have the same stuff as messages |
| 18:55.29 | thebigdog | brasto what are you trying to do? |
| 18:56.07 | brasto | thebigdog: just trying to find the reason I could not use a certain password on one user |
| 18:56.16 | thebigdog | oh ok |
| 18:56.31 | brasto | I set a different one, it kept telling me the one I wanted to use didn't match |
| 18:56.48 | brasto | it was a password the same as the user name, but that worked for 2 other users |
| 18:57.00 | brasto | it was a password I pasted, but that also worked for 2 other users |
| 18:57.44 | brasto | it's not critical to find the reason for the error, but it may be fun ;) |
| 19:00.21 | brasto | unum, so what gives you special powers with gmail? |
| 19:01.58 | brasto | how do you get a list of all users? |
| 19:02.02 | herlo | brasto: except that getent provides the ability to search centralized db setups |
| 19:02.08 | herlo | brasto: getent passwd |
| 19:02.17 | herlo | brasto: getent passwd | cut -d":" -f1 |
| 19:03.05 | brasto | cool, good command herlo |
| 19:03.18 | herlo | brasto: you could also try 'grep -ri passwd *' in /var/log |
| 19:03.52 | brasto | good call, I'll try that |
| 19:05.25 | brasto | herlo, it looks like passwd isn't logging anything about the reason for that password not matching |
| 19:05.27 | unum | brasto: nothing gives me special powers, I just like mocking utah_dave |
| 19:05.49 | brasto | ah... ok |
| 19:06.01 | herlo | brasto: hmm |
| 19:06.28 | brasto | I thought maybe gmail was doing invites for the imap service like they originally did for just getting the email accounts. |
| 19:19.53 | brasto | anyone know if this is true: http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u90/snopesbinary/Humor/?action=view¤t=batteryhack.flv |
| 19:20.23 | brasto | it's under "humor", so I doubt it's true, but it's not exactly funny either... |
| 19:22.05 | unum | it's on snopes |
| 19:22.08 | unum | it's not true |
| 19:23.25 | brasto | unum: yep, just found it there myself, too |
| 19:25.00 | brasto | I just don't get what's funny about it... |
| 19:27.09 | unum | so I want to find the lowest uidnumber availiable with in a certain range in ldap using php |
| 19:27.14 | unum | anyone have a good solution |
| 19:27.27 | unum | preferrably with known working code |
| 19:27.52 | brasto | unum: phpMyLDAP? |
| 19:29.20 | unum | I'd really rather not hunt throught their code for it :) |
| 19:29.30 | unum | they don't do it for uidnumber anyways |
| 19:29.53 | unum | nor do they do it with in a range |
| 19:30.04 | unum | they start at 1000 or something |
| 19:30.14 | unum | I guess they that for uidnumbers |
| 19:30.31 | unum | and not quit like I want |
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| 19:47.32 | JacobKerr | OK this is something that really interest me: So PHP is kind of a mark up of C/C++ now so what is C/C++ a mark up of? I want to know all the way down to binary... |
| 19:48.02 | unum | assembly |
| 19:48.05 | unum | you're there |
| 19:48.28 | mgeary | "mark up" is the wrong term |
| 19:49.06 | mgeary | php is an interpreter that is built by compiling C code into a binary |
| 19:49.17 | JacobKerr | K. |
| 19:49.39 | mgeary | mark up suggests you're adding meta-data/tags to content. at least, it does to me |
| 19:49.50 | thebigdog | that is correct |
| 19:49.57 | thebigdog | markup is xml, html, etc. |
| 19:50.20 | thebigdog | php is a scripting lang that requires an interpreter to compile it down to bytecode |
| 19:50.21 | JacobKerr | OK. |
| 19:50.58 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, check out wikipeida c programming to get more history |
| 19:51.14 | JacobKerr | K, thanx. |
| 19:51.17 | thebigdog | or check out the book "the c programming language" by kernighan and ritchie |
| 19:51.24 | thebigdog | that is a most have book |
| 19:51.46 | JacobKerr | Yeah I think that's the best way to master this is to start from the ground up.. |
| 19:51.53 | thebigdog | c comes from an eariler lang called "b" |
| 19:52.07 | unum | I've been meaning to look that up |
| 19:52.14 | JacobKerr | so was there an a? |
| 19:52.28 | thebigdog | kinda |
| 19:52.53 | JacobKerr | Cool, it was prob called something else then went up alpha from there eh... |
| 19:52.59 | thebigdog | here check this out |
| 19:53.07 | thebigdog | http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.html#04 |
| 19:53.20 | thebigdog | that is a timeline |
| 19:53.38 | JacobKerr | Could you imagine being one of those IBM guys that had to punch in binary? |
| 19:53.41 | JacobKerr | That would suck.. |
| 19:54.14 | thebigdog | personally i would not spend to much time on the history stuff |
| 19:54.28 | thebigdog | i would learn about what you are wanting to do with it |
| 19:54.28 | JacobKerr | yeah looks like there's allot of history.. |
| 19:54.50 | mgeary | though one interesting blip on that timeline is the advent of Smalltalk |
| 19:54.57 | JacobKerr | well if I want to add onto PHP on my server would I do that with C then? |
| 19:55.06 | mgeary | it was a pioneer in OOP-centric languages, and emphasized natural-language-like programming |
| 19:55.15 | thebigdog | not dont get me wrong c programming is a great skill to have |
| 19:55.35 | mgeary | all/many/most OOP-style languages have either C++ or Smalltalk as their ultimate progenitor |
| 19:55.46 | thebigdog | mgeary, that is true...we have many design principles from smalltalk...MVC is a huge one |
| 19:55.47 | JacobKerr | Nice... |
| 19:56.11 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, if you want to create extensions in php then you would want to learn c |
| 19:56.31 | JacobKerr | K. |
| 19:57.19 | JacobKerr | Well if I get C down then I'm set right? |
| 19:57.24 | mgeary | hardly |
| 19:57.25 | thebigdog | not really |
| 19:57.38 | mgeary | C won't help you much for most other languages |
| 19:57.42 | mgeary | because C isn't OOP |
| 19:57.46 | mgeary | and most modern languages are |
| 19:57.50 | JacobKerr | Well if I build some cool extensions then I can really get my name out there right? |
| 19:57.51 | wps | C isn't OOP? insteresting |
| 19:57.59 | mgeary | C gets around that, but it isn't *really* OOP |
| 19:58.13 | JacobKerr | Well I studied C# for awhile.. |
| 19:58.17 | wps | ah… JacobKerr's motive finally comes to light |
| 19:58.20 | wps | he wants to be famous :) |
| 19:58.29 | JacobKerr | and know actionscript 2.0 like the back of my hand.. |
| 19:58.41 | wps | why actionscript 2.0? |
| 19:58.51 | JacobKerr | Well that was my starting point. |
| 19:58.51 | mgeary | ...which is a C++ descendent |
| 19:59.05 | mgeary | C++-->Javascript/ECMA script-->Actionscript |
| 19:59.07 | wps | I'd recommend 3.0 over 2.0 |
| 19:59.22 | mgeary | but AS 3.0 is much, much more like Java |
| 19:59.33 | mgeary | ...which also harkens back to C++ |
| 19:59.38 | JacobKerr | yeah 3.0 looks like a pain. |
| 19:59.44 | mgeary | it's good though |
| 19:59.45 | JacobKerr | but it was not around when I got 2.0 down.. |
| 19:59.47 | mgeary | much more consistent |
| 19:59.53 | wps | 3.0 is WAY better and is where the future of flash is |
| 19:59.56 | JacobKerr | Yeah I will have to look into it then... |
| 20:00.04 | JacobKerr | how hard is it to go from 2.0 to 3?? |
| 20:00.09 | wps | not too bad |
| 20:00.10 | mgeary | it's not always easy |
| 20:00.14 | mgeary | depends on your AS2 style |
| 20:00.19 | wps | true |
| 20:00.22 | mgeary | if your AS2 style was very class-heavy, it'll be lots easier |
| 20:00.34 | JacobKerr | That's good. |
| 20:01.21 | mgeary | but in many cases, i've found it easier to re-write my AS2 classes than convert them |
| 20:01.25 | mgeary | :( |
| 20:01.36 | JacobKerr | Well is it beter to learn C or C#?? |
| 20:01.49 | mgeary | neither |
| 20:01.51 | mgeary | imho |
| 20:02.00 | mgeary | well, C# if you aspire to work in the M$ world |
| 20:02.03 | JacobKerr | Can you add onto PHP with C#? |
| 20:02.08 | JacobKerr | oh I c.. |
| 20:02.18 | JacobKerr | So C++ is the best to learn to add onto PHP? |
| 20:02.22 | mgeary | no |
| 20:02.27 | mgeary | just get really, really good at PHP |
| 20:02.31 | mgeary | and/or AS3 |
| 20:02.41 | mgeary | and you'll be at least as valuable as if you also knew C++ |
| 20:02.58 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, it depends on what you are developing |
| 20:03.33 | mgeary | true |
| 20:03.49 | thebigdog | if you are doing device drivers...probably c programming or c++ |
| 20:03.54 | thebigdog | if you are doing web stuff |
| 20:04.02 | thebigdog | then you are probably not going to be doing c |
| 20:04.09 | thebigdog | unless you like cgi |
| 20:04.13 | mgeary | ugh |
| 20:04.34 | thebigdog | but if you are doing web development...then i suggest getting familiar with web technologies |
| 20:04.36 | JacobKerr | I want to learn the hardest dang thing out there so the rest is east... |
| 20:04.39 | JacobKerr | easy* |
| 20:04.50 | unum | well then assembly it is :) |
| 20:04.54 | mgeary | heh. yeah |
| 20:04.58 | thebigdog | yep |
| 20:05.14 | thebigdog | but not many do assembly unless you are working on the kernel and dont trust the compiler |
| 20:05.21 | mgeary | but learning assembly will add almost nothing to your value as a web developer |
| 20:05.29 | thebigdog | correct |
| 20:05.37 | unum | don't waste your time learning everything |
| 20:05.41 | thebigdog | again it depends on the development you are doing |
| 20:05.43 | unum | learn the stuff you want a job doing |
| 20:06.02 | thebigdog | i mean if you want an assembly job...then learn assembly |
| 20:06.13 | JacobKerr | but if I can get assembly down then PHP may be a breeze? |
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| 20:06.21 | mgeary | no |
| 20:06.23 | thebigdog | nope |
| 20:06.42 | mgeary | that's like saying if you learn karate, then scuba diving will be a breeze |
| 20:06.55 | JacobKerr | LOL |
| 20:07.07 | mgeary | if you want to make learning PHP easier, read the php docs |
| 20:07.17 | mgeary | that's really the best advice i can give |
| 20:07.19 | unum | and spend more time coding php |
| 20:07.30 | unum | go code some sites for some non profits |
| 20:07.37 | unum | use them as your resume :) |
| 20:07.49 | thebigdog | and learn protocols too |
| 20:07.54 | mgeary | well, yeah. and maybe spend some good time with some well-established frameworks, like Cake. Though, i'd be reluctant to advice a relative newcomer to go straight to a framework |
| 20:07.54 | JacobKerr | K. |
| 20:07.57 | thebigdog | networking, linux and database |
| 20:08.12 | mgeary | yeah, database-fu is useful EVERYWHERE |
| 20:08.19 | thebigdog | learn programming theory and concepts |
| 20:08.27 | unum | ya you should know sql if you're going to be a webdev |
| 20:08.28 | mgeary | if you can do subselects and self-joins and such, you're valuable |
| 20:08.44 | JacobKerr | Cool.. |
| 20:08.45 | thebigdog | learn about software testing |
| 20:09.04 | unum | of course I didn't think I was going to be a developer let alone a web developer |
| 20:09.16 | mgeary | heh. my degree is in German Literature |
| 20:09.46 | unum | mine is "Government and Technology"(yes I made it up) |
| 20:09.55 | JacobKerr | So get down the Structured Query Language and read the PHP manual? |
| 20:10.14 | mgeary | JacobKerr: learn about useful Design Patterns |
| 20:10.22 | mgeary | the ActiveRecord design pattern can change your life |
| 20:10.29 | thebigdog | and google thebigdog |
| 20:10.33 | mgeary | well, yeah. that's a given |
| 20:10.57 | thebigdog | and get a good music collection |
| 20:11.01 | thebigdog | and movie collection |
| 20:11.07 | JacobKerr | Well I have been digging up stuff like this: http://reinholdweber.com/?p=3 |
| 20:11.19 | JacobKerr | learn how to optimize code etc. |
| 20:11.32 | mgeary | also, find where you are on this spectrum: 1) php inline code with html 2) usage of a template system 3) use of objects to consolidate logic 4) use of a framework |
| 20:12.08 | mgeary | JacobKerr: don't you know the mantra? |
| 20:12.16 | mgeary | "premature optimization is the root of all evil" |
| 20:12.18 | JacobKerr | I am starting to develop classes for everything I do now. |
| 20:12.19 | thebigdog | ~google thebigdog |
| 20:12.51 | JacobKerr | I want in a year from now to take my set of classes and develop a complex app. with it. |
| 20:12.55 | mgeary | JacobKerr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimization_(computer_science)#When_to_optimize |
| 20:13.23 | JacobKerr | Sweet I am going to learn allot from you guys thanx a bunch, |
| 20:14.11 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 20:14.12 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:14.25 | timinator | ~flip thebigdog |
| 20:14.25 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 20:15.21 | mgeary | ~melvin JacobKerr |
| 20:15.22 | jbot | ACTION pulls JacobKerr underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 20:16.03 | JacobKerr | So do your code right in the first place then you will not have to optimize in the future.. |
| 20:16.16 | JacobKerr | refering to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimization_(computer_science)#When_to_optimize |
| 20:16.24 | mgeary | no |
| 20:16.30 | JacobKerr | OK I wil read on. |
| 20:16.31 | mgeary | well, yes. bu |
| 20:16.50 | mgeary | but the key is much of the time optimization is not a viable cost/benefit outcome |
| 20:17.00 | mgeary | at least, not until you actually know where your problems are |
| 20:17.21 | mgeary | i mean, tips like this are useful, i suppose: "Error suppression with @ is very slow" |
| 20:17.23 | unum | successful budgets come in on time and under budget |
| 20:17.34 | mgeary | but if *that* is making the difference in your app, something else is very wrong |
| 20:17.34 | unum | how fast they run generally have very little to do with their success |
| 20:17.46 | JacobKerr | K. |
| 20:17.52 | unum | with the exception of games |
| 20:17.58 | JacobKerr | Classes help speed allot? |
| 20:18.01 | mgeary | no |
| 20:18.05 | JacobKerr | or just organization.. |
| 20:18.06 | mgeary | but they help *development* a ton |
| 20:18.12 | JacobKerr | oh yeah I can see that.. |
| 20:18.27 | mgeary | an object-centric approach tends to degrade performance |
| 20:18.38 | mgeary | but there is often a huge maintenance gain |
| 20:18.47 | mgeary | and you can always buy more/bigger/faster hardware |
| 20:19.04 | unum | JacobKerr: the most important thing when it comes to speed is how long it takes you to write it |
| 20:19.05 | JacobKerr | Yeah because you can add onto and perfect your object with each and every project right |
| 20:19.16 | mgeary | JacobKerr: also that |
| 20:20.44 | mgeary | since i started using an ActiveRecord pattern, the amount of SQL i write for a given new web app has been reduced about 95% |
| 20:21.07 | mgeary | that's a savings you can take to the bank |
| 20:21.15 | JacobKerr | I need to save this window so I can be sure to study everything in here.. |
| 20:21.18 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:21.48 | JacobKerr | I love the internet and the fact that you can learn anything you want.. |
| 20:21.54 | JacobKerr | The sky is the limit really.. |
| 20:22.00 | JacobKerr | and the great communities online. |
| 20:24.10 | JacobKerr | does anyone know how to log on your hard drive with Xchat? |
| 20:26.30 | thebigdog | xchat does not access your hd |
| 20:28.37 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 20:29.43 | thebigdog | JacobKerr, what are you trying to do with xchat? |
| 20:29.56 | JacobKerr | I just want to logg all this so I can learn from you guys. |
| 20:30.16 | JacobKerr | I can find it online right? |
| 20:30.31 | thebigdog | you can log and find it online |
| 20:30.39 | JacobKerr | k. |
| 20:30.41 | thebigdog | jbot logs it for us |
| 20:30.49 | thebigdog | check uphpu.org for the it |
| 20:30.54 | thebigdog | the info for the logs |
| 20:31.12 | thebigdog | setting in xchat will allow you to log the channel |
| 20:31.25 | JacobKerr | nice.. |
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| 20:33.39 | kingsol | if I accidently flagged a folder for deletion in SVN, but have not committed it, how do I remove the flag? |
| 20:36.07 | thebigdog | replace from repo |
| 20:36.15 | thebigdog | kingsol, replace it from repo |
| 20:36.21 | thebigdog | update it and overwrite your change |
| 20:37.15 | kingsol | still shows the delete flag |
| 20:37.20 | kingsol | when I run svn status |
| 20:37.59 | wps | does he need to run update pointing to a specific rev number? |
| 20:39.10 | thebigdog | you need to overwrite from svn |
| 20:39.16 | thebigdog | overwrite your changes |
| 20:42.31 | thebigdog | try like svn revert |
| 20:42.41 | thebigdog | seeing that you did not commit yet |
| 20:44.11 | brasto | ~mbp |
| 20:44.18 | kingsol | thank you |
| 20:44.26 | thebigdog | np |
| 20:44.34 | kingsol | we deleted the folder (not through svn) and then ran svn update |
| 20:44.38 | mgeary | jbot: mbp is MacBook Pro, the must-have accessory for any serious Web Developer |
| 20:44.39 | jbot | mgeary: okay |
| 20:44.41 | kingsol | which is probably a hack, but it worked |
| 20:44.43 | mgeary | ~mbp |
| 20:44.44 | jbot | mbp is probably MacBook Pro, the must-have accessory for any serious Web Developer |
| 20:44.49 | mgeary | :) |
| 20:45.08 | thebigdog | ive done that many times |
| 20:45.31 | brasto | lol |
| 20:45.34 | thebigdog | kingsol, if you committed then you need to go back ckechout at the last revision and then copy it back |
| 20:45.41 | thebigdog | removing the svn directories first |
| 20:45.44 | wps | he hadn't committed |
| 20:45.51 | thebigdog | then adding it all back in |
| 20:45.59 | thebigdog | correct...just a little fyi |
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| 21:23.15 | JacobKerr | Hey does a server ever hold onto a internal server error for a period of time after the problem is fixed? |
| 21:23.50 | JacobKerr | It seems like it may because sometimes I will update and htaccess file and the server will throw and error even for awhile after I have fixed the problem. |
| 21:24.31 | mgeary | clear caches |
| 21:25.24 | JacobKerr | browser? |
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| 21:40.06 | JacobKerr | Does anyone know a quick and easy to access session data by id? |
| 21:40.09 | JacobKerr | PHP |
| 21:40.54 | thebigdog | yes |
| 21:41.25 | JacobKerr | is there something I should google real quick I have been looking for it but I can not find it. |
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| 21:41.46 | JacobKerr | what I am really trying to do is access a cgi session via PHP |
| 21:41.53 | thebigdog | http://us2.php.net/session |
| 21:42.00 | JacobKerr | thanx |
| 21:46.16 | pelaofeliz | wps: Did you get your question answered about SVN? |
| 21:46.59 | beandog | ~asplode beandog |
| 21:47.00 | jbot | beandog head asplode, k thx |
| 21:52.18 | JacobKerr | I hate PERL now LOL.. |
| 21:53.09 | JacobKerr | I edited a file that I had backed up and it caused and erro 500 so I put the back up back on the server and it's still messed up what's up with that. I check the CHMOD... |
| 21:53.13 | JacobKerr | still good. |
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| 22:05.18 | brasto | does anyone here use bugzilla? |
| 22:05.55 | brasto | I find the fact that it classifies 'features' as a type of bug quite annoying... |
| 22:07.24 | brasto | wait, I stated that wrong. I mean that they classify "Enhancement Requests" under bug severities... |
| 22:09.13 | brasto | if ($bugtracker == "bugzilla") {$feature = "Enhancement Request"} |
| 22:28.17 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 22:28.18 | jbot | holds Black_Chaos to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 22:28.24 | brasto | it must be Friday... |
| 22:29.14 | brasto | ~lart |
| 22:29.29 | timinator | ~lart brasto |
| 22:29.29 | jbot | offers brasto some herring |
| 22:29.36 | timinator | ~rlart |
| 22:29.36 | jbot | holds josephscott to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 22:29.48 | timinator | huh.... that's been done |
| 22:30.06 | brasto | yea... I was thinking the same... and the 2 others in my cube with me... |
| 22:30.24 | SunSparc_ | Any Mac users here have a nice DB Design tool similar to Visio? |
| 22:30.43 | brasto | get this... Mozilla makes the worlds greatest web browser, which supports the latest w3c standards |
| 22:31.00 | brasto | they make bugzilla, but it's written in html 4.0 transitional... |
| 22:32.21 | SunSparc | Sounds like a government operation. |
| 22:32.23 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:33.51 | brasto | yes! that's it, the government is holding back the entire internet and promoting bad code! |
| 22:34.00 | timinator | I haven't used Visio..... but I've used Navicat and liked it alright |
| 22:34.12 | brasto | ~lart visio |
| 22:34.12 | jbot | send killer squirrels to attack visio |
| 22:34.23 | SunSparc | timinator: For GUI DB Design? |
| 22:34.27 | brasto | Navicat - is that a Mac only product? |
| 22:34.44 | brasto | ~navicat |
| 22:34.51 | brasto | ~dict navicat |
| 22:34.57 | brasto | ~wiki navicat |
| 22:35.01 | SunSparc | http://www.navicat.com/ |
| 22:35.16 | timinator | yes |
| 22:35.28 | timinator | probably Mac only |
| 22:35.42 | SunSparc | No, it is for Mac, Linux, Windows |
| 22:35.50 | brasto | yep, per their home page |
| 22:36.02 | brasto | sad that they made a version for Windows... |
| 22:36.03 | brasto | jk |
| 22:36.07 | SunSparc | I have it, just did not know it did GUI Design. |
| 22:36.20 | brasto | I'm not really all that anti Windows, but it's fun to act like it |
| 22:37.50 | brasto | is navicat Open Source? |
| 22:37.54 | timinator | I haven't used it for years.... switched to PMA |
| 22:38.37 | timinator | it costs: http://www.navicat.com/store.html |
| 22:39.25 | brasto | Visio is not even the same kind of product... or did I miss something timinator? |
| 22:40.08 | timinator | I've never used Visio.... just saying Navicat does GUI DB admin |
| 22:40.49 | brasto | ah. Visio is not for db admin, it's for diagramming things - business processes, networks, etc |
| 22:41.00 | brasto | one can use it to diagram a db, I suppose, too |
| 22:41.14 | SunSparc | timinator: Yeah, db design, not db admin. :) |
| 22:41.18 | brasto | I use pma and MySQL GUI tools |
| 22:41.56 | brasto | SunSparc: there's a part of the mysql gui tools that is for db design |
| 22:42.09 | SunSparc | Yeah, but not for Mac, yet. |
| 22:42.12 | brasto | it's called mysql workbench |
| 22:42.16 | brasto | ah... |
| 22:42.21 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:42.52 | timinator | oh, you're looking to diagram the DB? |
| 22:43.21 | timinator | have you checked out Omni Software? |
| 22:43.27 | brasto | SunSparc: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/gui-tools-installation-osx.html |
| 22:43.41 | timinator | OmnigGraffle |
| 22:43.45 | brasto | this says the Migration toolkit is not available, but says nothing about workbench |
| 22:44.18 | SunSparc | brasto: Yes, some of the tools work on Mac. |
| 22:44.32 | brasto | but workbench does not, SunSparc? |
| 22:44.52 | SunSparc | Not yet :( |
| 22:44.53 | brasto | here's the software timinator mentioned, looks good: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ |
| 22:45.02 | SunSparc | Yep, I am there |
| 22:45.13 | SunSparc | I like Omni software. I use their outliner all the time. |
| 22:45.45 | timinator | ya, OmniGraffle comes on new Macs |
| 22:45.52 | timinator | it's nice |
| 22:45.53 | SunSparc | It does? |
| 22:46.07 | timinator | yes.... came with mine at least |
| 22:46.16 | timinator | MBP w/ OS X.4 |
| 22:46.16 | SunSparc | OmniOutliner has for a while, but not Graffle. |
| 22:46.18 | SunSparc | Hmmm |
| 22:47.48 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:48.37 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:49.04 | brasto | well, I'm checking out 10 minutes early guys, have a good weekend! |
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| 23:03.36 | SunSparc | I just got Leopard. Perhaps OmniGraffle with come with that. |
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| 23:15.53 | timinator | probably |
| 23:16.22 | timinator | :) |
| 23:16.35 | timinator | I'm out guys.... later |
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| 23:36.06 | mindjuj1 | ugh, what a day |
| 23:36.42 | macnewbold | sup, mindjuj1 |
| 23:36.47 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 23:36.48 | jbot | duct-tapes tierra to the floor and drools on him |
| 23:36.51 | macnewbold | very nice |
| 23:36.52 | mindjuj1 | sup macnewbold |
| 23:36.56 | mindjuj1 | how you doing on that side? |
| 23:37.00 | macnewbold | pretty well |
| 23:37.09 | macnewbold | moving slower than we wanted to, but next week we should be in our new office space |
| 23:37.23 | macnewbold | we actually worked out an awesome deal on a nice place down town, right behind XMission |
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| 23:37.32 | mindjuju | that's cool! |
| 23:37.38 | macnewbold | yeah, we're totally excited |
| 23:37.40 | mindjuju | are ya'll moving downtown then? |
| 23:38.08 | macnewbold | they ended up accepting our offer to take all ~5600 square feet (both floors), but for half price for the first six months |
| 23:38.14 | macnewbold | instead of 2800 now and expand in a year |
| 23:38.25 | macnewbold | we'll be right by trax which will be awesome |
| 23:38.36 | macnewbold | our guys are drooling over the new train up north that they want to ride to work |
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| 23:39.02 | mindjuju | that would be awesome! |
| 23:39.09 | mindjuju | and downtown address is always sexy |
| 23:39.19 | beandog | i'm too sexy for this address |
| 23:39.43 | beandog | I wonder if UTA comes out here. |
| 23:39.46 | beandog | I doubt it. |
| 23:40.10 | beandog | macnewbold, thats cool man, downtown is where all the fun is |
| 23:40.12 | beandog | like ... |
| 23:40.16 | beandog | that one book store |
| 23:40.21 | beandog | and, uh |
| 23:40.23 | beandog | that eagle thing. |
| 23:40.25 | beandog | :) |
| 23:40.47 | beandog | actually SLC downtown is the cleanest Ive ever seen |
| 23:42.02 | macnewbold | yeah, the address is "44 Exchange Place" |
| 23:42.05 | macnewbold | 84111 |
| 23:42.07 | macnewbold | nice and short |
| 23:42.18 | macnewbold | between 300 and 400 South, and State and Main St |
| 23:42.27 | macnewbold | we'll be getting "AlleyNet" from XMission |
| 23:42.29 | beandog | wow, thats right in the thick of things |
| 23:42.33 | beandog | thats cool |
| 23:42.39 | macnewbold | that's the one where they plug you right into their switch with an ethernet cable :-D |
| 23:44.48 | macnewbold | oh, by the way - anyone here know a good place in SLC or SL County to pick up a good inexpensive cable modem? |
| 23:46.23 | mindjuju | that's awesome about alleynet |
| 23:47.01 | macnewbold | yeah, it will be handy |
| 23:47.12 | macnewbold | and now we can do lunch every time someone comes down to play with their servers |
| 23:48.19 | mindjuju | an Himalayan Kitchen is over there. right there. that's freakin' awesome |
| 23:48.31 | mindjuju | oh, and that greek place right on the corner |
