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| 14:24.58 | jgiboney | good morning! |
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| 15:09.12 | mindjuju | morning jgiboney |
| 15:09.20 | jgiboney | good morning |
| 15:09.34 | mgeary | morgen |
| 15:09.45 | jsmith | Buenos dias! |
| 15:09.50 | mindjuju | hey, i was going to tell you about your experiment, don't forget that environmental factors play into natural selection |
| 15:10.04 | jgiboney | like polution |
| 15:10.06 | jgiboney | ? |
| 15:10.23 | mindjuju | well, like brown rabbits don't live long in the winter |
| 15:10.46 | influx^^ | because they can be easily spotted. |
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| 15:10.49 | influx^^ | right? |
| 15:10.51 | mindjuju | snow (white) makes the brown rabbits stick out to the wolf |
| 15:10.52 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 15:11.04 | jgiboney | exaclty, that's why the dominant species remains to repopulate |
| 15:11.25 | mindjuju | in that same way, if you are looking to find what color the button should be, you should give your design color |
| 15:11.25 | jgiboney | until the lesser species become the dominant one |
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| 15:11.40 | mindjuju | else, you'll just pick the right button color for an all white website |
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| 15:11.59 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
| 15:12.01 | jgiboney | your right that there are a lot more factors involved |
| 15:12.12 | jgiboney | this was my beginning |
| 15:12.16 | mindjuju | well, just an idea to help the results be more accurate |
| 15:12.22 | jgiboney | i wanted to see if it would work |
| 15:12.32 | mindjuju | yeah, cool experiment though |
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| 15:13.17 | jgiboney | it didn't work completly, but I think that the theory is a possible future to web design |
| 15:13.28 | mindjuju | well, don't leave the idea, yet |
| 15:13.30 | mindjuju | it has merit |
| 15:13.40 | mindjuju | have you heard of Taguchi and his method? |
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| 15:13.48 | jgiboney | no i haven't |
| 15:14.08 | timinator | sup guys |
| 15:14.12 | mindjuju | There is an excellent article in a forbes i have somewhere that explains Taguchi method and marketing |
| 15:14.18 | mindjuju | what is says is |
| 15:14.24 | influx^^ | wha wha wha? |
| 15:14.27 | influx^^ | taguchi? |
| 15:14.57 | mindjuju | by very closely monitoring all the variables, a marketing person can quickly optimize marketing by selecting those options that have the highest sucess rate |
| 15:15.02 | fungus | ~wiki taguchi |
| 15:15.04 | mindjuju | look at this |
| 15:15.05 | mindjuju | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taguchi_methods |
| 15:15.12 | jgiboney | thanks, i am already there |
| 15:15.25 | fungus | ~wiki Taguchi methods |
| 15:15.25 | mindjuju | yup, that's him, Genichi Taguchi |
| 15:16.00 | mindjuju | they have applied his method to all kinds of things and found it to be extremely efficient |
| 15:16.28 | mindjuju | v cool, that's why i say, you couple your idea with Taguchi Method, and you'll have something |
| 15:16.38 | mindjuju | especially if you can put that into a CMS |
| 15:17.01 | jgiboney | ya, it is basically taking ab testing to a new level |
| 15:17.02 | mindjuju | heck of an idea, if you ask me |
| 15:17.11 | mindjuju | yeah, wasn't sure if you knew ab testing |
| 15:18.27 | jgiboney | ya, the thing about ab testing is that it requires a person to recreate layouts, etc... until they have a good design, but with this you could achieve a near perfect design, that evolves with its users |
| 15:18.44 | jgiboney | at least in theory |
| 15:19.16 | mindjuju | yes, true, or like i say, if you had a CMS that you coupled it to, you could really learn a lot of things |
| 15:19.26 | _psychic_ | that assumes everyone who makes a change wants to make it better |
| 15:19.30 | mindjuju | and, you don't really need to change the whole design, as much as elments on the design |
| 15:19.30 | _psychic_ | which isn't often the case |
| 15:19.52 | mindjuju | _psychic_ except that in ab testing, participants don't know they are being monitored |
| 15:20.12 | _psychic_ | how do they make a decision that supports an options? |
| 15:20.14 | _psychic_ | *option? |
| 15:20.59 | jgiboney | it wouldn't be designed like my test, it would be based upon desired results... like did the user press the buy now! button, if they didn't we can improve the design |
| 15:21.15 | mindjuju | works like this. You have a lamp you are trying to sell. You make 2 web pages. To 1/2 of the people you are going to send notices to, you would send them to deisng 1, to the other half, you send to design two |
| 15:21.34 | mindjuju | the page with the highest number of sales is new design |
| 15:21.39 | mindjuju | execpt that you do it again and again |
| 15:21.49 | jsmith | And if you're using a good web analytics package, it'll take care of it all for you |
| 15:22.23 | mindjuju | @ jsmith, i noticed that google analytics was headed in that direction |
| 15:22.32 | timinator | you'd have to have a large test group to get valid results |
| 15:22.32 | mindjuju | my understanding is that omniture and others are already there |
| 15:22.52 | jsmith | mindjuju: Omniture has had it for a *long* time now |
| 15:23.01 | mindjuju | ah |
| 15:23.30 | mindjuju | they we're way out of our price range for optimization, so haven't used their service. |
| 15:25.36 | mindjuju | sorry, wasn't forbes, it was Inc. and here is the article i was in reference to earlier - http://www.inc.com/magazine/20030901/rcringely.html |
| 15:25.45 | influx^^ | http://flickr.com/photos/mister_destructo/1692215214 |
| 15:26.50 | mindjuju | awesome picture influx^^ |
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| 15:35.01 | influx^^ | Gracias, amigo. |
| 15:35.21 | influx^^ | They had momos (kind of like dumplings) upstairs at the temple. |
| 15:35.31 | influx^^ | Sooo god. |
| 15:35.32 | influx^^ | err |
| 15:35.34 | influx^^ | good* |
| 15:35.43 | influx^^ | lazy left ring finger. |
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| 15:54.25 | PoeticIntensity | ~monday everyone |
| 15:54.40 | jgiboney | good morning |
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| 15:55.54 | jgiboney | lol |
| 15:56.35 | jgiboney | find out who sent it and commandeer their email |
| 15:56.37 | influx^^ | :o |
| 15:56.44 | influx^^ | That's no bueno. |
| 15:56.47 | influx^^ | :( |
| 15:57.50 | jsmith | mgeary: What, you're not going to forgive and forget? ;-) |
| 15:58.04 | jgiboney | lol |
| 15:58.17 | influx^^ | ...quivering. |
| 15:58.20 | mgeary | i don't have a problem with the candidate he's pitching. i have a problem with people thinking they can do that |
| 16:00.58 | PoeticIntensity | linux setup question: |
| 16:01.32 | PoeticIntensity | how do you all partition your hard drives, and.... is partitioning a drive into lots of sections a good idea? |
| 16:01.58 | PoeticIntensity | I'm setting up a web-dev (LAPP) setup, which will only be used as a LAPP setup... |
| 16:02.08 | PoeticIntensity | I'm just curious as to how others partition their HDs. |
| 16:03.05 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: I use LVM, and make sure I leave most of the drive unpartitioned... then I can re-allocate space as necessary |
| 16:03.29 | PoeticIntensity | LVM is beautiful, indeed... |
| 16:03.47 | PoeticIntensity | jsmith, so you just partition it as one drive using LVM? |
| 16:03.49 | jsmith | I only have one gripe about LVM, and it's minor |
| 16:04.18 | jsmith | Depends on the machine... on some, I make /var and/or /home a separate partition |
| 16:04.25 | PoeticIntensity | or do you put /var, /home, /........ ah. |
| 16:05.07 | PoeticIntensity | hrm....dee....durm... |
| 16:08.08 | dataw0lf | sometimes I partition /tmp too |
| 16:09.28 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Wow... isn't that... well, overkill? |
| 16:10.18 | dataw0lf | depends on the services of the machine and their applicability, I guess. |
| 16:11.41 | dataw0lf | I've been deluged with core dumps before when tmp resided on the / partition |
| 16:12.45 | jsmith | wow... that's a *whole* lotta cores |
| 16:13.53 | orsonj | I am having (lack of lvm) partition issues right now. I'll probably do lvm when I upgrade. |
| 16:14.22 | dataw0lf | jsmith: you can fill a hard drive with core dumps easily enough. I've seen some pretty big ones. |
| 16:14.47 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Wow... most of my core dumps have been maybe 10 megs a piece at the very most... |
| 16:15.03 | orsonj | I made a bunch of partitions to prevent something from hosing the entire system. (works fine. have had partitions fill up. No crash.) |
| 16:15.11 | jsmith | dataw0lf: And that being said, I probably generate a core file or two a day with my testing |
| 16:15.35 | orsonj | however upgrading ubuntu to new version requires more space during the upgrade than for normal operation. :( |
| 16:15.43 | dataw0lf | jsmith: heh, I've seen GIS applications drop a gig core dump easily. |
| 16:16.23 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Youch... |
| 16:17.36 | orsonj | so, if I had lvm, I could just reducto /home, expando /var, expando /usr |
| 16:17.50 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, I would make a separate partition for /usr/portage |
| 16:18.21 | beandog | and I usually do a separate one for /home, if its a desktop. And then one for /var, and thats about it usually. depends how much space I have and what Im running |
| 16:19.44 | PoeticIntensity | I'm thinkin' I'm gonna do one for /boot, swap, /, and /var |
| 16:20.17 | PoeticIntensity | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.30 | PoeticIntensity | it's a server without X, and is strictly a LAPP server. |
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| 16:26.37 | orsonj | I'd probably do a /tmp also |
| 16:27.04 | wps | if anyone is looking for a job, I am looking for a developer to join my team |
| 16:27.26 | wps | I should be posting the job announcement to the list shortly, but thought that I'd toss it in here first |
| 16:27.53 | wps | (at Omniture) |
| 16:29.30 | wps | it is in marketing, so you won't be lost in a sea of coders (like you would be in engineering) |
| 16:29.49 | wps | you would be the third person on the team |
| 16:30.10 | wps | of a manager, a front-end/designer (me), and yourself |
| 16:32.08 | wps | can anyone tell me what's wrong with this SQL query? |
| 16:32.10 | wps | select * from site_data.webinar_library where wlib_status!=0 and wlib_date<=curdate() order by wlib_status desc then by wlib_date desc limit 3 |
| 16:32.24 | mgeary | "then by" |
| 16:32.37 | wps | how do you do multiple order by conditions? |
| 16:32.38 | mgeary | use: "order by x asc, y desc,..." |
| 16:32.44 | wps | just a comma? |
| 16:32.51 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:33.07 | wps | yes |
| 16:33.15 | kingsol | yeah no then by necessary. |
| 16:33.31 | PelaoFeliz | that's the SQL standard, so all RDBMSs should follow that... |
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| 16:44.13 | mgeary | anyone got any hard stats (links) on penetration of "high-speed" connections in the US? |
| 16:44.32 | mgeary | i've got a client claiming that 50% of the US still uses dialup, and i don't believe it |
| 16:44.58 | jgiboney | i use dialup! |
| 16:45.00 | orsonj | I use dialup, I know several people who use dialup |
| 16:45.00 | bradym | there's a lot more than you'd think still on dialup, but i don't believe it's that high |
| 16:46.31 | PelaoFeliz | http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0708/ |
| 16:46.44 | mgeary | nice, thanks |
| 16:46.55 | PelaoFeliz | "As of Q1 2007 52.72% of US households had a broadband connection" |
| 16:47.26 | mgeary | yeah, but look at that trend curve |
| 16:47.40 | PelaoFeliz | "US broadband penetration grew to 83.43% among active Internet users in July 2007" |
| 16:47.45 | mgeary | looks to be around 20% at most now |
| 16:47.57 | orsonj | T1: 2720, Cable: 1019, Unknown: 1003, DSL: 753, Dialup: 99, OC3: 44, ISDN: 1 |
| 16:48.01 | PelaoFeliz | I guess if you count businesses, it's a lot higher |
| 16:48.12 | orsonj | those are the google analytics stats for the usu bookstore |
| 16:48.16 | PelaoFeliz | but for home users looks like it's 50/50 |
| 16:48.34 | orsonj | they are skewed toward t1 because most people access from campus. |
| 16:49.16 | orsonj | anyone have GA for a site with more hits? |
| 16:49.41 | kingsol | the "Internet Average" which is a metric tracked by omniture across all of the sites the solution measures (across many site types) shows 90% LAN connection and 10% Dial up. |
| 16:50.25 | kingsol | LAN = highspeed in this report |
| 16:50.29 | mgeary | ah, but how many of those LANs have a router that's on a dialup gateway? |
| 16:50.31 | mgeary | ;) |
| 16:51.06 | kingsol | lol .. the report is vague, in that LAN is a generalization for highspeed |
| 16:51.19 | orsonj | I would be interested in dsl/cable vs dialup, ignore $200/mo and up connections |
| 16:51.58 | orsonj | or ignore corporate/edu netblocks |
| 16:53.06 | orsonj | I almost prefer my dialup to my neighbors satelite connection. He may have more bandwidth, but the latency really really sucks. dialup is much more responsive for well designed sites. |
| 16:53.30 | mgeary | yeah. satellite latency is awful |
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| 16:59.23 | JacobKerr | Hello everyone |
| 16:59.27 | JacobKerr | I have a quick question. |
| 17:00.01 | mgeary | first *you* must answer a question. What is the air speed of an unladen swallow? |
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| 17:00.54 | PoeticIntensity | hey JacobKerr ... what's up? |
| 17:01.02 | JacobKerr | I setup a database connection class and I was wondering if I get my connection ID going and include it above another class that I am including on my page can I access that ID in that classe o do I need to include the connection class in the class I am using it in? |
| 17:01.45 | JacobKerr | So can a class I include on my page access variable from the page I am including it on??? |
| 17:02.26 | mgeary | not *within* the class, unless you either make it a global, or explicitly set/pass it to your page's class |
| 17:02.47 | mgeary | or use a static class to contain your DB stuff |
| 17:02.51 | JacobKerr | I c... |
| 17:03.00 | JacobKerr | Good idea I can just pass it to my class LOL.. |
| 17:03.43 | JacobKerr | I will just pass the connection ID to my class :) |
| 17:04.35 | JacobKerr | U guys just saved me some time thanx a bunch. I am working on making everything I do OOP for now on so I will prob. be back in a sec with more questions.. |
| 17:05.11 | JacobKerr | This is my connection class: |
| 17:05.12 | JacobKerr | class connection{ |
| 17:05.13 | JacobKerr | var $username; |
| 17:05.13 | JacobKerr | var $password; |
| 17:05.13 | JacobKerr | var $database; |
| 17:05.13 | JacobKerr | var $host; |
| 17:05.14 | JacobKerr | set($username, $password, $database, $host){ |
| 17:05.16 | JacobKerr | $conID = mysql_connect($host,$username,$password) or die(mysql_error()); |
| 17:05.18 | JacobKerr | mysql_select_db($database) or die(mysql_error()); |
| 17:05.20 | JacobKerr | return $conID; |
| 17:05.22 | JacobKerr | } |
| 17:05.34 | SunSparc_ | ~pastebin |
| 17:05.35 | jbot | pastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 17:05.42 | dataw0lf | don't use a "set" method. Use the constructor method. |
| 17:05.43 | PoeticIntensity | hold on.... there's something called "pastebin" which will allow you to post your code. |
| 17:05.56 | JacobKerr | oh ok.. |
| 17:06.00 | PoeticIntensity | www.rafb.net |
| 17:06.03 | PoeticIntensity | is the best one. |
| 17:06.19 | JacobKerr | thanx. |
| 17:06.42 | JacobKerr | constructor method hmmm, seems there's still allot to learn.. |
| 17:06.50 | mgeary | JacobKerr: are you in/around Utah? just curious |
| 17:06.59 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: what version of PHP are you using? |
| 17:07.01 | JacobKerr | I am in Sandy right now |
| 17:07.09 | mgeary | any relation to Jason Kerr? |
| 17:07.12 | JacobKerr | 4.5 I think.. |
| 17:07.19 | JacobKerr | No but that is odd.. |
| 17:08.08 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: Ok, so create a method called "connection" (the name of your class) rather than "set" |
| 17:08.22 | JacobKerr | ok. |
| 17:08.23 | dataw0lf | and then you can, when you instantiate an object from the class, call it in the instantiation. |
| 17:08.26 | dataw0lf | e.g. |
| 17:08.42 | dataw0lf | $c = new connection($username, $password, $database, $host); |
| 17:08.48 | JacobKerr | nice... |
| 17:09.00 | cycokilr | wow dw, i thought you hated php.. |
| 17:09.07 | dataw0lf | I do. |
| 17:09.11 | cycokilr | weirdo |
| 17:09.15 | dataw0lf | that doesn't mean I won't help someone. |
| 17:09.19 | JacobKerr | LOL.. |
| 17:09.25 | JacobKerr | you guys are funny.. |
| 17:09.35 | cycokilr | keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer eh? |
| 17:09.38 | PoeticIntensity | you ain't seen nothin' yet... |
| 17:09.39 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:09.41 | JacobKerr | I like whatever makes me and my family money ;) |
| 17:09.44 | dataw0lf | cycokilr: Indeed. |
| 17:10.02 | influx^^ | JacobKerr: Within reason, of course? |
| 17:10.05 | dataw0lf | JacobKerr: Me too. |
| 17:10.26 | influx^^ | Yeah! |
| 17:10.39 | JacobKerr | Yeah and I am slaving to the man so I ahve to learn learn learn and build a client base.. |
| 17:10.49 | influx^^ | Si si. |
| 17:10.54 | influx^^ | That's what I'm working on. |
| 17:10.54 | PoeticIntensity | okay, guys.... Software RAID or hardware RAID? |
| 17:10.57 | influx^^ | In my spare time. |
| 17:11.04 | PoeticIntensity | (random poll) |
| 17:11.04 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: for what type of machine>? |
| 17:11.11 | PoeticIntensity | server... |
| 17:11.12 | cycokilr | hardware |
| 17:11.18 | PoeticIntensity | web server. |
| 17:11.19 | dataw0lf | I mean, what type of operation? |
| 17:11.25 | PoeticIntensity | mirror |
| 17:11.25 | dataw0lf | database server too? |
| 17:11.28 | PoeticIntensity | (nod) |
| 17:11.30 | orsonj | PoeticIntensity: since you are on now, I was wondering why it takes a while for public posts to show up? |
| 17:11.38 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: read or write intensive? |
| 17:11.44 | PoeticIntensity | orsonj, I've gotta make sure they're family-friendly. |
| 17:11.46 | dataw0lf | or neither? |
| 17:11.56 | PoeticIntensity | however... I'm gonna make it so the site has a list of "trusted" users... |
| 17:12.04 | PoeticIntensity | which will allow all public posts to be viewable immediately. |
| 17:12.21 | PoeticIntensity | mostly read intensive, dataw0lf . |
| 17:12.35 | PoeticIntensity | writing occasionally. |
| 17:12.52 | dataw0lf | if you have the money, always default to hardware raid. |
| 17:13.12 | dataw0lf | but if your budget is small, and you doubt if it will be that INTENSIVE (at least beginning) a softare raid will do. |
| 17:13.19 | dataw0lf | s/softare/software |
| 17:13.35 | dataw0lf | of course, there's the option of not even doing a RAID |
| 17:13.37 | Kamehameha | PoeticIntensity, Cuando queres almozar? |
| 17:13.46 | dataw0lf | RAIDs shouldn't be a backup policy. Some people seem to think they are. |
| 17:14.10 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, I hear ya. |
| 17:14.27 | PoeticIntensity | I use RAID as a hard-drive failure - failover mechanism... |
| 17:14.34 | PoeticIntensity | using RAID as a back-up is a bad idea. |
| 17:15.54 | PoeticIntensity | Kamehameha, hoy seria muy bueno... |
| 17:16.05 | PoeticIntensity | puedes hacerlo hoy? |
| 17:17.26 | mgeary | was soll denn die Fremdspracherei? |
| 17:18.08 | Kamehameha | PoeticIntensity, si hoy esta bien. A que hora? |
| 17:18.35 | Kamehameha | o possible manana, si puedes |
| 17:18.50 | PoeticIntensity | saliendo de aqui..... como, en diez minutos.... :) |
| 17:19.04 | PoeticIntensity | manana seria bueno tambien. |
| 17:19.19 | mgeary | ~give PoeticIntensity some ñs |
| 17:19.20 | jbot | ACTION gives some ñs to PoeticIntensity |
| 17:19.32 | PoeticIntensity | uhh... thanks... mgeary :) |
| 17:19.37 | PoeticIntensity | I've always wanted some..... s. |
| 17:19.47 | mgeary | ah, didn't come through for ya |
| 17:19.57 | mgeary | ~give PoeticIntensity a UTF-8-compatible IRC client |
| 17:19.58 | jbot | ACTION gives a UTF-8-compatible IRC client to PoeticIntensity |
| 17:20.02 | dataw0lf | my better half made some awesome fajitas last night |
| 17:20.28 | PoeticIntensity | awwwesome! |
| 17:20.38 | PoeticIntensity | good fajitas are ..... yummy! |
| 17:21.13 | Kamehameha | PoeticIntensity, manana es mejor son las 12:30 |
| 17:21.23 | orsonj | ok, so for those who didn't get it the other night: http://ilovemyjournal.com/?action=personal_entry&eid=3285&user=30 (paypal security key interestingness) Last plug I promise! |
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| 17:32.48 | PoeticIntensity | that's interesting, orsonj ... |
| 17:34.01 | orsonj | If your computer is synced to a time server, you can predict the first digit of the number on my key with that spreadsheet. |
| 17:34.35 | PoeticIntensity | I'm totally naive to the whole "security key" thing.... so... |
| 17:34.42 | PoeticIntensity | does that make those devices less secure? |
| 17:34.47 | orsonj | no |
| 17:35.24 | orsonj | It's like saying I can predict the time on your watch. |
| 17:35.58 | dataw0lf | http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/0,,2196435,00.html |
| 17:36.00 | orsonj | but interesting nonetheless |
| 17:39.09 | mgeary | dataw0lf: in other news, Secretary of State Dr. Rice made a strong case today for a pre-emptive attack on Zimbabwe, coincidentally a major exporter of fuel-grade uranium.... |
| 17:40.26 | dataw0lf | Imagine that. |
| 17:43.37 | PoeticIntensity | also, orsonj, the red hue shining in from your window was quite amazing... |
| 17:43.50 | PoeticIntensity | you must have some seriously red trees or bushes in your yard.. |
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| 17:56.49 | influx^^ | Or a red sun. |
| 17:59.10 | timinator | lovely monday |
| 17:59.11 | timinator | :( |
| 17:59.18 | timinator | ~mondays timinator |
| 17:59.19 | jbot | ACTION says looks like timinator 's got a case of the Mondays |
| 18:05.35 | timinator | in Moab |
| 18:05.41 | brasto | sweet! |
| 18:05.42 | timinator | on the side of a cliff |
| 18:05.45 | timinator | yessir |
| 18:06.03 | brasto | repelling, climbing, or both? |
| 18:06.10 | timinator | climbing |
| 18:06.20 | timinator | also did some camping |
| 18:06.27 | timinator | also golfing |
| 18:07.42 | timinator | much needed break :) |
| 18:08.10 | timinator | did I miss anything? |
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| 18:21.32 | PelaoFeliz | wps: any more details about that job? e.g. salary, experience, technology? |
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| 18:28.38 | duranged | hi everyone |
| 18:29.36 | influx^^ | 'lo |
| 18:31.23 | dataw0lf | Hi. |
| 18:34.51 | macnewbold | ~welcome duranged |
| 18:34.52 | jbot | Hey, duranged! Glad you could join us. |
| 18:38.07 | bradym | PelaoFeliz: the job I posted on the jobs list? |
| 18:39.48 | wps | PelaoFeliz: LAMP |
| 18:39.53 | wps | dont' have anything else I can post yet |
| 18:40.08 | PelaoFeliz | k, thanks |
| 18:42.54 | PelaoFeliz | bradym: Was talking to wps, but sure, if you have info on a job, I'd be interested to hear it |
| 18:43.50 | bradym | PelaoFeliz: we're currently looking for a tech lead and php developers in SF Bay Area |
| 18:44.07 | PelaoFeliz | ah |
| 18:44.25 | bradym | i can forward you the info if you're interested, posted it to the uphpu-jobs list the other day |
| 18:45.14 | duranged | hey everyone at dinner that night was talking about someone that hasa ph in AI, who was that? |
| 18:45.16 | PelaoFeliz | no, thanks -- only looking locally |
| 18:45.32 | mgeary | PelaoFeliz: wher're you located? |
| 18:45.41 | PelaoFeliz | Utah Valley |
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| 18:47.54 | cycokilr | sweet |
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| 19:02.09 | brasto | what's the best day to hold an initial startup meeting for a new group? |
| 19:03.24 | mgeary | well, NOT the 3rd Thursday, would be my vote, fwiw |
| 19:04.03 | brasto | ~fwiw |
| 19:04.04 | jbot | well, fwiw is for {what,whatever} it's worth |
| 19:04.15 | SunSparc_ | The 5th Wednesday of the first month after the month in which the vernal equinox occurs on a leap year. |
| 19:04.33 | brasto | I keep forgetting what the common irc/chat acronyms stand for... |
| 19:05.04 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:05.16 | brasto | ~iirc |
| 19:05.16 | jbot | i heard iirc is "if I recall correctly" |
| 19:06.02 | _psychic_ | ~afaik |
| 19:06.03 | jbot | [afaik] some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, as far as I know. |
| 19:06.09 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 19:06.23 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:06.31 | mgeary | brasto: hint: the vernal equinox always happens in the same month, regardless of leap years... |
| 19:07.00 | SunSparc | Ssshh, that is too big a hint |
| 19:07.05 | brasto | ~wiki vernal equinox |
| 19:07.34 | brasto | perhaps that'll be a bigger hint... |
| 19:08.06 | brasto | ~dict afaik |
| 19:08.19 | mgeary | ~dict ianal |
| 19:08.54 | SunSparc | ~byob |
| 19:09.10 | SunSparc | ~dict byob |
| 19:09.26 | mgeary | ~dict byorb |
| 19:09.28 | SunSparc | ~byoibot |
| 19:09.44 | brasto | ~byob is bring your own bacon, or bring your own beef. |
| 19:09.45 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 19:10.29 | dataw0lf | ~byob is also bring your own beer |
| 19:10.30 | jbot | dataw0lf: okay |
| 19:10.41 | brasto | ~byoibot is I'm not going anywhere, so don't worry about it! |
| 19:10.42 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 19:10.52 | brasto | ~byob |
| 19:10.53 | jbot | somebody said byob was bring your own bacon, or bring your own beef. bring your own beer |
| 19:11.17 | brasto | ~forget byoibot |
| 19:11.17 | jbot | brasto: i forgot byoibot |
| 19:11.42 | brasto | ~byoibot is <action> I'm not going anywhere, so don't worry about it! |
| 19:11.43 | jbot | brasto: okay |
| 19:11.47 | brasto | ~byoibot |
| 19:11.47 | jbot | ACTION I'm not going anywhere, so don't worry about it! |
| 19:12.13 | SunSparc | Wow! We are up to 37 members in here today! |
| 19:12.25 | brasto | ~uphpu |
| 19:12.26 | jbot | somebody said uphpu was Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 19:12.48 | SunSparc | ~uphpu-stats |
| 19:12.52 | brasto | ~uphpu is also Blootbot's favorite channel. |
| 19:12.52 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 19:12.57 | brasto | ~uphpu |
| 19:12.57 | jbot | methinks uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org Blootbot's favorite channel. |
| 19:13.17 | SunSparc | ~stats |
| 19:13.17 | jbot | Since Mon Oct 22 06:32:43 2007, there have been 27 modifications, 103 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 125 commands. I have been awake for 12h 40m 34s this session, and currently reference 113864 factoids. I'm using about 19268 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 987.39/60.04 child 0.01/0.02 |
| 19:13.54 | brasto | that's some hard-to-read output... |
| 19:14.54 | mgeary | 113864 factoids. wow |
| 19:15.05 | mgeary | ~factoids |
| 19:15.06 | jbot | factoids are information that jbot can learn and then reply with. "/msg jbot help" for more info. |
| 19:15.13 | mgeary | ~list factoids |
| 19:15.14 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:15.42 | brasto | that'd be a good way to get jbot kicked |
| 19:16.04 | brasto | but of course, the bot's output would probably just truncate before the /kick number of chars... |
| 19:26.51 | mindjuju | ugh, this is shaping up to be one heck of a day with meetings out the wazoo |
| 19:30.11 | PoeticIntensity | aren't meetings great? |
| 19:30.36 | mindjuju | yeah, have one coming up in a few minutes i'm planning on being fashionably late to |
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| 19:47.20 | mindjuju | wps, you should try Mister.T |
| 19:47.27 | mindjuju | i wonder if that is available ? |
| 19:47.41 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 19:47.55 | SunSparc | brasto, no worries. It was just a suggestion. |
| 19:48.22 | SunSparc | Fifth Wednesdays are hard to come by, even without the constraint of an Equinox. |
| 19:48.29 | brasto | SunSparc: I took it in good humor. |
| 19:48.44 | SunSparc | As I would expect, brasto. :) |
| 19:50.57 | brasto | justin gibbony asked: how do I make a site professional (good looking) enough |
| 19:51.46 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, when you have a moment, watch this vid and tell me what you think - http://youtube.com/watch?v=LQYyPooETcI |
| 19:58.23 | mindjuju | BTW, if you like breakbeats, DI.fm is playing fresh breaks |
| 20:00.09 | mindjuju | yeah, huh |
| 20:00.28 | mindjuju | i think i want to read his book and see more about what he thinks |
| 20:01.17 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: What about it? I saw it when it aired live, Kasparov is a smart guy and knows what he's talking about. That's nothing new. |
| 20:01.23 | brasto | mgeary, PoeticIntensity, herlo, thebigdog, josephscott, Black_Chaos, and anyone that used a different login name for udbug than freenode, what's a good date for the first udbug meeting? What would you like to discuss? I'm thinking the first meeting should decide what we want in the site, when future meetings should be & how often, and who wants to do what - sort of a meta-meeting... |
| 20:01.31 | mindjuju | dataw0lf , just seeing if you'd seen it |
| 20:01.43 | mindjuju | thought it was cool |
| 20:01.57 | brasto | but, that may be too boring, maybe we want to start with a database design meeting... |
| 20:01.58 | mgeary | brasto: perhaps the most compelling question for me is WHERE will the first meeting be? |
| 20:02.18 | PoeticIntensity | brasto, Mon and Tues nights are bad for me. Wed and Thurs are really the only options. |
| 20:02.24 | brasto | I'm thinking Linux Networx if that works for several people |
| 20:02.27 | _psychic_ | meh I don't like Chris Matthews though |
| 20:02.27 | mgeary | if it's far from utah valley, my attendance is highly questionable |
| 20:02.29 | josephscott | brasto: I think that is a bit too formal, most of things can just be decided on adjusted as needed |
| 20:02.40 | PoeticIntensity | brasto, I'd be willing to commute to south-salt-lake, but not much further north. |
| 20:03.14 | PoeticIntensity | brasto, also.... I'm *really* interested in this group - as long as it's semi-advanced. |
| 20:03.18 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: You agree with him? That's surprising. |
| 20:03.19 | brasto | PoeticIntensity: Linux Networx is just over the point of the mountain from Utah County |
| 20:03.23 | PoeticIntensity | beautiful. |
| 20:03.24 | PoeticIntensity | count me in. |
| 20:03.28 | brasto | it's the first exit - the prison exit |
| 20:03.30 | PoeticIntensity | as long as it's not Mon or Tues. |
| 20:03.33 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 20:04.04 | josephscott | Thursdays are good, announce a when and where and I'll see if I can make it. |
| 20:04.28 | brasto | josephscott - good point |
| 20:04.42 | mindjuju | the guy makes strong valid points |
| 20:04.57 | dataw0lf | Heh. |
| 20:05.19 | dataw0lf | he's saying much of what I've been saying for years about Bush's foreign policy. |
| 20:05.33 | brasto | ok, I'm thinking it'll be Thursday then |
| 20:06.03 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, i don't think we disagree as much as you think we do. Our reasons to how we get to the conclusions we do is where the differences are |
| 20:06.08 | mindjuju | but the ends, i think are similar |
| 20:06.34 | mindjuju | when we talk, we always just seem to get hung up on the differences though |
| 20:07.01 | dataw0lf | haven't you said that we should've invaded Iraq? |
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| 20:09.23 | brasto | mgeary, does the Linux Networx location work for you? |
| 20:09.27 | mgeary | probably |
| 20:09.33 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, hang on quick sec, running a scan to see what i might have said that gave you that impression |
| 20:09.39 | mgeary | brasto: seems reasonable |
| 20:11.56 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, here i am in 2k5 saying possible alternative motives for iraq - what I do want to discuss though is possible alternate motives for Iraq war, and how they play into world politics, IE oil, supremacy through oil |
| 20:12.12 | mgeary | 2k5?? |
| 20:12.21 | mgeary | ~give mindjuju 2 years |
| 20:12.22 | jbot | ACTION gives 2 years to mindjuju |
| 20:12.22 | mindjuju | 2k5 |
| 20:12.33 | mindjuju | http://www.google.com/search?as_q=mindjuju+iraq&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fpurl.rikers.org%2F%2523uphpu&as_rights=&safe=images |
| 20:12.36 | mgeary | aah |
| 20:12.38 | mgeary | gotcha |
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| 20:29.59 | herlo | brasto: I'm up for something in November |
| 20:30.11 | herlo | brasto: for the udbug meeting, earlier in the month the better |
| 20:33.26 | mgeary | but not the 8th |
| 20:33.44 | mgeary | not to be confused with udBug |
| 20:33.53 | _psychic_ | I'm looking for a local php group to attend... ;) |
| 20:34.06 | brasto | ~udfug? |
| 20:34.06 | jbot | from memory, udfug is the Utah Director and Flash Users Group, found at http:www.udfug.org/ |
| 20:34.15 | mgeary | ~udfug++ |
| 20:34.20 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 20:34.21 | jbot | rumour has it, mgeary is Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:34.34 | mgeary | jbot: mgeary is also the founder of udfug |
| 20:34.35 | jbot | ACTION is also the founder of udfug is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 20:34.41 | mgeary | doh! |
| 20:34.55 | mgeary | jbot forget mgeary |
| 20:34.55 | jbot | i forgot mgeary, mgeary |
| 20:34.58 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 20:35.45 | SunSparc | jbot, mgeary is yraegm in reverse |
| 20:35.46 | jbot | ACTION is yraegm in reverse is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 20:35.52 | mgeary | see |
| 20:36.05 | mgeary | that's what happens when you use someone's nick as an action |
| 20:36.06 | mgeary | grr |
| 20:36.22 | mgeary | don't know how to fix that |
| 20:36.31 | SunSparc | ~lart jbot |
| 20:36.31 | jbot | takes out a cattle prod and gives sunsparc a good jolt |
| 20:36.38 | mgeary | hahahahaha |
| 20:36.39 | SunSparc | Hey!! |
| 20:36.46 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:36.46 | jbot | mgeary is probably "" |
| 20:36.46 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:36.47 | brasto | ~brasto |
| 20:36.47 | jbot | you are, like, one cool guy |
| 20:36.58 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:36.59 | jbot | somebody said mgeary was "" |
| 20:37.07 | mindjuju | jbot, forget mgeary |
| 20:37.08 | jbot | mindjuju: i forgot mgeary |
| 20:37.12 | mgeary | jbot: no, mgeary is yraegm in reverse |
| 20:37.12 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 20:37.13 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:37.14 | jbot | i heard mgeary is yraegm in reverse |
| 20:37.24 | mgeary | but now try to add something to it |
| 20:37.36 | mgeary | jbot: no, mgeary is also a Director and Flash weenie |
| 20:37.37 | jbot | mgeary: okay |
| 20:37.39 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 20:37.40 | jbot | rumour has it, mgeary is yraegm in reverse, or a Director and Flash weenie |
| 20:37.45 | mgeary | ah, there we go |
| 20:38.15 | mgeary | jbot: no mgeary is also the founder of udfug |
| 20:38.16 | jbot | mgeary: okay |
| 20:38.36 | mindjuju | mgeary, you shouldn't need the no in that statement |
| 20:38.54 | brasto | jbot no mgeary is also NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:38.54 | jbot | brasto: okay |
| 20:39.03 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 20:39.04 | jbot | somebody said mgeary was yraegm in reverse, or a Director and Flash weenie, or the founder of udfug |
| 20:39.11 | mgeary | hah |
| 20:39.11 | brasto | ? |
| 20:39.13 | mgeary | ~no mgeary |
| 20:39.23 | mgeary | gotta have the colon (or comma), i think |
| 20:39.30 | mindjuju | well, let's let mgeary rebuild his factoid |
| 20:39.35 | mgeary | nah, i'm good |
| 20:39.42 | mgeary | knock yerselves out |
| 20:39.54 | brasto | jbot no mgeary is also . NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not |
| 20:39.54 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 20:39.59 | brasto | ~mgeary |
| 20:40.00 | jbot | it has been said that mgeary is NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127,a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:40.09 | mindjuju | jbot, mgeary is also the resident flash guru |
| 20:40.09 | jbot | ACTION is also the resident flash guru is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 20:40.13 | mgeary | hah |
| 20:40.17 | mgeary | see, you do need the "no" |
| 20:40.18 | mindjuju | bummer! |
| 20:40.30 | mindjuju | jbot, no mgeary is also the resident flash guru |
| 20:40.30 | jbot | mindjuju: okay |
| 20:40.34 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:40.34 | jbot | mgeary is, like, yraegm in reverse, or a Director and Flash weenie, or the founder of udfug |
| 20:40.40 | mindjuju | curious |
| 20:40.49 | mgeary | jbot: no, mgeary is also someone who despises Wal-Mart |
| 20:40.50 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 20:40.50 | mindjuju | timriker must have made a mod |
| 20:40.52 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 20:40.53 | jbot | rumour has it, mgeary is yraegm in reverse, or a Director and Flash weenie, or the founder of udfug |
| 20:41.02 | mgeary | jbot: forget no mgeary |
| 20:41.02 | jbot | mgeary: i didn't have anything called 'no mgeary' to forget |
| 20:41.18 | brasto | lol |
| 20:41.19 | mindjuju | jbot: no mgeary is also the resident flash guru |
| 20:41.19 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 20:41.23 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:41.24 | jbot | [mgeary] NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127,a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:41.46 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:41.47 | jbot | methinks mgeary is yraegm in reverse, or a Director and Flash weenie, or the founder of udfug |
| 20:41.57 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:41.58 | jbot | well, mgeary is NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127,a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:42.01 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:42.03 | mindjuju | curious |
| 20:42.08 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 20:42.09 | jbot | i heard mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a jbot super teacher, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or 100% lame, or an 80s movie, or has ridiculously bad musical taste |
| 20:42.25 | brasto | mgeary - it must have been that . I put in there... |
| 20:42.34 | mgeary | jbot, no, mindjuju is only a so-so jbot teacher |
| 20:42.34 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 20:42.38 | mgeary | ;) |
| 20:42.40 | mgeary | ~mindjuju |
| 20:42.41 | jbot | well, mindjuju is only a so-so jbot teacher |
| 20:42.46 | mgeary | owww |
| 20:42.47 | mgeary | dankt |
| 20:42.50 | mgeary | forgot the ALSO |
| 20:42.54 | mgeary | sorry, mindjuju |
| 20:43.02 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 20:43.02 | jbot | from memory, mindjuju is only a so-so jbot teacher |
| 20:43.16 | mindjuju | jbot, forget mindjuju |
| 20:43.16 | jbot | i forgot mindjuju, mindjuju |
| 20:43.20 | brasto | it did a mgeary is [def1] . [def2] or something like that |
| 20:43.35 | brasto | ~mgeary |
| 20:43.36 | jbot | [mgeary] . NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127,a person who does not, or the resident flash guru, or someone who despises Wal-Mart, or the resident flash guru |
| 20:43.51 | brasto | ~mgeary |
| 20:43.52 | jbot | hmm... mgeary is yraegm in reverse, or a Director and Flash weenie, or the founder of udfug |
| 20:44.03 | mgeary | so i'm now randomized |
| 20:44.06 | mindjuju | jbot, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats |
| 20:44.06 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 20:44.06 | mgeary | i can live with that |
| 20:44.12 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 20:44.13 | jbot | you are probably sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or the Prophet of Breakbeats |
| 20:44.25 | brasto | now we know how to randomize a term with an action... |
| 20:44.26 | mindjuju | k, that's better |
| 20:44.30 | brasto | like |
| 20:44.32 | brasto | ~lart |
| 20:44.43 | brasto | doh! |
| 20:44.45 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 20:44.46 | jbot | turns josephscott into a lifesized tux doll |
| 21:02.57 | jsmith | OK, silly question (and yes, I'm prepared to be flamed) |
| 21:03.27 | jsmith | Anybody know where I can get a php-adodb RPM for PHP 5.1.6 (what comes in the CentOS Plus repository for CentOS 4.5) |
| 21:03.59 | cycokilr | did you look on rpmfind.net? |
| 21:03.59 | orsonj | well, if that's how you feel! |
| 21:04.02 | orsonj | ~lart jsmith |
| 21:04.02 | jbot | tries to shut jsmith up |
| 21:06.10 | brasto | ~chastise jsmith |
| 21:06.10 | jbot | ACTION Takes a lightning bolt and fries jsmith. |
| 21:07.52 | jsmith | cycokilr: Yes |
| 21:13.04 | SunSparc | Looks like the recent update to Colloquy has once again killed my iTunes plugin. |
| 21:13.36 | wps | my non-active tabs (channels) are not showing the conversation again :( |
| 21:13.55 | wps | (until I toggle the theme (very tedious) |
| 21:14.33 | brasto | ~give wps a copy of the latest pidgin |
| 21:14.34 | jbot | ACTION gives a copy of the latest pidgin to wps |
| 21:21.07 | orsonj | ~lart people who think they can block stuff |
| 21:21.07 | jbot | turns people who think they can block stuff into a lifesized tux doll |
| 21:21.26 | orsonj | how appropriate |
| 21:21.56 | orsonj | no people, but lifesized tux dolls are allowed. |
| 21:25.33 | _psychic_ | wps: how is your usage not just using it as a file sharing tool - if they're auto-committing so you can just move them somewhere else... ? |
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| 21:26.42 | ojpidgin | funny, they block irc in the labs, but conveniently provide a proxy that allows it. |
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| 21:27.41 | wps | because getting them to production isn't the only reason that I need them in the repository |
| 21:27.49 | wps | I also need them in there so that the repository is complete |
| 21:28.03 | wps | so that when all of the developers do updates, they get them images into their local copies as well |
| 21:29.00 | wps | I just thought of a solution |
| 21:30.34 | mindjuju | mgeary, you still around? |
| 21:30.39 | mgeary | yep |
| 21:31.28 | mindjuju | hey, i'm using camtasia to create some vids where the ultimate destination is flash vid (flv), when making flash vids through camtasia, i get the choice of vp6 or h.263 - no sorensen |
| 21:31.48 | mindjuju | should i rather out put this to avi and pipe over to flash video encoding where i get the benefit of sorensen or is it 6s ? |
| 21:33.12 | mgeary | hrm. well, first of all, my flv creation/encoding experience on Winders is essentially nil. Generally i take a full-resolution Quicktime file and encode it using Adobe's Flash 9 video encoder as a FLV |
| 21:33.44 | mgeary | the 3rd party encoders, such as Sorenson, *do* offer some extra features, but i have found, in practice, that i've never really needed them |
| 21:34.09 | mgeary | but if you ever want to *edit* your file after you've compressed it, you'll be glad you had a non-flv version |
| 21:34.19 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 21:34.51 | mgeary | so my recommendation would be go to avi. but that's not backed-up by specific hard experience in exactly what you're doing |
| 21:35.00 | _psychic_ | wps: so the designers are committing things in the right places? |
| 21:36.37 | _psychic_ | ugh with static commit log messages |
| 21:38.47 | bradym | jsmith: adodb as in the db connection class? it's just a zip/gzip file.. not really worthy of an RPM? |
| 21:40.37 | wps | well, currently they aren't committing anything (they are using a web-base file upload), but yes, they are adding files to the server and do put them in the right places |
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| 21:51.23 | jsmith | bradym: Actually, the last RPM I used had the C-code functions that were much faster than the regular adodb code. |
| 21:55.37 | bradym | ahh.. right.. i forget about the c functions since i've never taken the time to use them ;) |
| 21:55.53 | bradym | adodb rocks though :) |
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| 22:00.54 | josephscott | I've found that using the C extension can speed things up quite a bit http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/archives/2006/04/04/php-database-functions-vs-peardb-vs-adodb/ |
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| 22:10.39 | bradym | intersting article josephscott |
| 22:11.24 | bradym | good to know there's such a significant difference |
| 22:11.26 | josephscott | bradym: getting a little old now, but I'd guess that the results are about the same. Haven't kept up with PDO development though |
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| 22:50.17 | unum | I have a multidimensional array. I want to search for a match in one of the "columns" |
| 22:50.22 | unum | is there a good way to do that |
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| 22:52.08 | mgeary | to rephrase: |
| 22:52.27 | mgeary | you want to scan, say, "column" 3 of an array of associative arrays for a match. is that correct? |
| 22:52.29 | SunSparc | unum: do you know which column? |
| 22:52.40 | unum | mgeary,SunSparc: yes |
| 22:53.01 | mgeary | unum: well, you could sort by that column and then do a bubble sort |
| 22:53.31 | unum | ya, I've used the multisort function before |
| 22:53.40 | mgeary | or a whatsit sort. the binary one |
| 22:53.41 | unum | I was hoping there wasa multisearch and I just couldn't find it |
| 22:53.44 | mgeary | less than/greater than |
| 22:53.51 | SunSparc | http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.array-search.php |
| 22:53.51 | mgeary | doubt it |
| 22:54.04 | mgeary | SunSparc: but that won't work (well) for what he's doing |
| 22:54.11 | SunSparc | Ok |
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| 22:54.38 | unum | I was thinking I could just move that item in to a single array, and search the single array |
| 22:54.48 | unum | as long as I keep the keys the same |
| 22:54.59 | SunSparc | Why not just specify the subarray? |
| 22:55.02 | mgeary | you could, but you'd still be iterating the entire array to build your single array |
| 22:55.09 | SunSparc | arrayName[3] |
| 22:55.18 | unum | SunSparc: that gives me a "row" |
| 22:55.19 | mgeary | i say you should sort on that column, and then search by halves |
| 22:55.25 | mgeary | i think that'd be your fastest scenario |
| 22:55.29 | cycokilr | http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.in-array.php#62053 |
| 22:55.39 | mgeary | unum: how many rows do you have? |
| 22:55.57 | unum | mgeary: about 400 and growing |
| 22:56.28 | unum | I have to keep a postgresql and ldap database in sync |
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| 22:56.39 | mgeary | well, what cycokilr and SunSparc propose will work; but you could potentially have to iterate through the entire array to find what you want |
| 22:56.50 | unum | I'm writing a page to help me do that |
| 22:56.54 | mgeary | if you do a sort/search, at most you'll ever have to iterate through is something like 25% |
| 22:56.56 | cycokilr | yes, it isn't the fastest.. |
| 22:57.12 | mgeary | and you can use the compiled/optimized code for the sort |
| 22:57.24 | mgeary | but it is a bit more work to implement |
| 22:57.48 | unum | maybe I should run an ldap query for each entry.... |
| 22:57.55 | cycokilr | i have a db with around 75,000 email addresses that get broken down into domains and such.. the script that i run on it using something like that link i pasted takes around 18 mins to finish.. |
| 22:58.11 | unum | 18 minutes is way too long |
| 22:58.14 | cycokilr | yes |
| 22:58.29 | cycokilr | i don't know a better way to do what this one does though.. |
| 22:58.50 | mgeary | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:59.20 | mgeary | you store the primary keys of each system and do a sync/lookup? |
| 23:05.15 | unum | well I want to display all entries on a page and then I can click on a button if I want to have them "synched" |
| 23:05.43 | unum | most people will be in postgresql but not ldap |
| 23:06.54 | SunSparc | Night all! Time for Team Fortress 2... |
| 23:07.22 | unum | but quite frequently I'll have someone who is in the postgresql database and needs to be added to the ldap database(plus a bunch of other things need to be done) |
| 23:13.49 | beandog | ~asplode my head kthxbye |
| 23:13.49 | jbot | my head kthxbye head asplode, k thx |
| 23:35.11 | timinator | later guys |
| 23:58.29 | mgeary | later |
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