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| 00:05.04 | jgiboney | congratulations |
| 00:05.13 | mgeary | thanks |
| 00:05.20 | mgeary | he's my little buddy |
| 00:05.29 | PoeticIntensity | niiice. |
| 00:05.33 | PoeticIntensity | well shoot... |
| 00:05.41 | PoeticIntensity | this is the first time I've looked at my IRC window all day. |
| 00:05.50 | PoeticIntensity | guh....... too much work. |
| 00:05.56 | mindjuju | 2 year old is good time for child |
| 00:06.06 | PoeticIntensity | anywho... see ya'll tomorrow... |
| 00:06.09 | mindjuju | cya |
| 00:12.41 | beandog | work work work |
| 00:12.51 | mindjuju | yeah, no kidding |
| 00:13.09 | mindjuju | i'm caught up right now, but still tons to do |
| 00:13.18 | beandog | Im going home too |
| 00:13.20 | mgeary | "caught up"? what means this? |
| 00:13.20 | beandog | whee! |
| 00:13.21 | beandog | laters |
| 00:13.25 | mgeary | ~dict caught up |
| 00:13.36 | mgeary | aahhhhh |
| 00:13.46 | mgeary | mindjuju is indeed "caught up" |
| 00:14.30 | mindjuju | man, i need something that puts out 13v 2a |
| 00:16.23 | mgeary | later |
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| 00:35.55 | mindjuju | holy cow! |
| 00:36.02 | jgiboney | ???? |
| 00:36.14 | jgiboney | where |
| 00:36.37 | mindjuju | just plugged in a subwoof into my office music system |
| 00:36.44 | mindjuju | the results are... |
| 00:37.01 | mindjuju | let's just say, have you ever had a small desk fan blowing on ya |
| 00:37.15 | mindjuju | the wind the sub woof is generating is putting out about the equiv |
| 00:37.35 | jgiboney | lol |
| 00:37.52 | mindjuju | hand is 2 feet away from the sound ports and i can feel it blowing... hard |
| 00:38.07 | jgiboney | what are you neighbors thinking.... |
| 00:38.09 | influx^^ | noice |
| 00:38.43 | mindjuju | i'm in an office |
| 00:38.59 | mindjuju | nearest coworker is prolly 200 feet away |
| 00:39.08 | influx^^ | What are ou still doing at work? |
| 00:39.39 | mindjuju | working |
| 00:39.44 | jgiboney | lol |
| 00:39.46 | mindjuju | and well, taking a break to upgrade the sound |
| 00:39.58 | mindjuju | for me, it's all about the music |
| 00:40.16 | influx^^ | pharcyde (what's left of it) @ uprok on the 20th. tickets are $10 |
| 00:40.53 | influx^^ | http://tinyurl.com/yu3et4 |
| 00:41.30 | mindjuju | what kind of music do they play? |
| 00:41.51 | mindjuju | man, what i wouldn't give for a little techmaster PEB |
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| 01:27.01 | influx^^ | They're hip hop artists. |
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| 01:32.18 | cycokilr | what? jbot says things on it's own now? |
| 01:32.35 | mindjuju | when i join in, it does |
| 01:32.44 | mindjuju | it's cause of my greatness |
| 01:32.54 | cycokilr | ahh, a little self elevation eh? |
| 01:33.00 | mindjuju | jk |
| 01:33.15 | cycokilr | hey man, everyone should have someone rooting for them.. |
| 01:33.59 | mindjuju | do you have a favorite saying? |
| 01:34.23 | mindjuju | oh wait, i got one, hang on |
| 01:34.46 | mindjuju | hey cycokilr, leave the channel, then come back |
| 01:37.27 | influx^^ | mine should be: "But Riiiickyyy!" |
| 01:38.24 | mindjuju | influx^^ , i dub the "But Riiiickyyy!" |
| 01:38.30 | mindjuju | you may leave and come back |
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| 01:38.53 | cycokilr | really? |
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| 01:39.04 | mindjuju | cee |
| 01:39.14 | mindjuju | cycokilr, go and come back |
| 01:39.18 | influx^^ | *A hehhh hehhh hehh* |
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| 01:42.59 | cycokilr | woohoo! |
| 01:43.09 | mindjuju | have you seen Army of Darkness? |
| 01:43.11 | cycokilr | i like that one man.. |
| 01:43.12 | cycokilr | yeah |
| 01:43.47 | mindjuju | that's such a good movie, thought you'd prolly know where the quote came from |
| 01:43.57 | cycokilr | yeah i have it on VHS.. |
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| 02:05.46 | mindjuju | k, cya gents |
| 02:05.56 | mindjuju | gots to go home early at least 1 day this week |
| 02:07.24 | orsonj | later |
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| 04:14.56 | mgeary_ | evening folks |
| 04:16.15 | orsonj | evening |
| 04:17.00 | orsonj | I guess I like the things jbot says when dataw0lf and swb join |
| 04:18.36 | orsonj | OT, but does anyone know good places to get toner? |
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| 14:38.44 | thebigdog | top 'o the mornin' |
| 14:39.08 | utahco1 | morning |
| 14:39.26 | jsmith | G'morning |
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| 14:39.46 | thebigdog | it should be friday |
| 14:39.52 | utahcon | agreed |
| 14:39.53 | jsmith | Amen to that! |
| 14:39.53 | thebigdog | im already tired of the this week |
| 14:40.05 | jsmith | thebigdog: You say that every week! |
| 14:40.14 | utahcon | he is right every week |
| 14:40.36 | thebigdog | i just have too much too do and not enough time |
| 14:41.06 | thebigdog | i did hire another guy to help alleviate my workload though |
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| 14:41.43 | thebigdog | i just hate training peps |
| 14:42.18 | utahcon | peps? |
| 14:45.01 | SunSparc | Is that like a Pep Talk? Training Pep Talks? |
| 14:51.32 | orsonj | and the rest of the day to yourself thebigdog |
| 14:52.09 | thebigdog | peps = people |
| 14:52.15 | utahcon | peeps :D |
| 14:52.26 | thebigdog | less chars the better |
| 14:52.45 | thebigdog | peeps = yellow bird candy |
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| 14:59.02 | mgeary | morning |
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| 15:09.03 | mindjuju | morning mgeary |
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| 15:21.19 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:21.31 | thebigdog | moring bubba |
| 15:22.25 | mindjuju | morning gents |
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| 15:30.58 | timinator | anyone want logannights.com or provonights.com? |
| 15:31.09 | timinator | I bought them years ago |
| 15:31.15 | timinator | never did anything with them |
| 15:31.26 | mindjuju | i'll take whitehouse.com if you got it |
| 15:31.26 | timinator | would rather they go to a buddy than expire |
| 15:31.30 | timinator | nope |
| 15:31.36 | timinator | I'm keeping that one |
| 15:32.02 | timinator | I have ogdennights.com and slcnights.com too |
| 15:32.07 | mindjuju | i heard the owner sold it to a new person, not pron, but haven't checked it out to see |
| 15:32.24 | mindjuju | by the way, for those who don't know, whitehouse.com was NSFW and might still be |
| 15:32.26 | mindjuju | so don't go check |
| 15:32.37 | wps | NSFW? |
| 15:32.42 | dataw0lf | not safe for work |
| 15:32.44 | mindjuju | not safe for work |
| 15:32.45 | wps | ah |
| 15:32.45 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 15:32.52 | wps | new it was, just not the acronym |
| 15:32.59 | wps | s/new/knew/ |
| 15:33.12 | orsonj | well, not anymore. It shows some canidates right now |
| 15:33.23 | mindjuju | oh does it? |
| 15:33.27 | herlo | mindjuju: I think that whitehouse.com has nothing bad |
| 15:33.29 | wps | try it! |
| 15:33.39 | herlo | it was bought a few years back IIRC |
| 15:33.48 | mindjuju | i'll pull it up in notepad to check |
| 15:34.06 | wps | hmm… no more porn |
| 15:34.25 | wps | I think that it's time for a nap |
| 15:35.13 | herlo | whew! |
| 15:35.39 | herlo | dubya |
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| 15:40.04 | dataw0lf | http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22606277-5003402,00.html |
| 15:40.06 | dataw0lf | :( |
| 15:48.50 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 15:50.41 | timinator | seriously, anyone want logannights.com or provonights.com? |
| 15:50.52 | timinator | they're set to expire soon |
| 15:51.02 | timinator | and I don't plan on renewing them |
| 15:55.41 | timinator | BRB |
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| 15:56.32 | timinator | back |
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| 16:32.44 | brasto | jbot, give timinator some extra time |
| 16:32.45 | jbot | ACTION gives some extra time to timinator |
| 16:33.46 | timinator | TY, I've always wanted extra time in my day |
| 16:33.56 | brasto | :) |
| 16:34.05 | brasto | if only it were that easy |
| 16:34.13 | timinator | fo sho |
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| 16:37.45 | mgeary | wow |
| 16:37.54 | mgeary | i just got my first mp3 email spam |
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| 16:38.34 | cycokilr | nice.. |
| 16:39.08 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 16:44.34 | brasto | ~hail cycokilr |
| 16:44.34 | jbot | ACTION bows down to cycokilr and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:55.53 | cycokilr | alright.. it's about time everyone realized the truth.. |
| 16:55.56 | cycokilr | :P |
| 16:57.27 | mindjuju | fungus, your co is sponsoring today |
| 17:01.13 | brasto | mgeary, what's an mp3 email spam? |
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| 17:13.46 | mindjuju | hey, who all is going to the meeting tonight? tierra 's hawt presentation on svnLogBrowser -- standing room only ? |
| 17:13.57 | dataw0lf | I'm going |
| 17:14.02 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 17:14.13 | dataw0lf | I'll need someone to coordinate the presentation via IRC though |
| 17:14.13 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 17:14.22 | mindjuju | yeah, i got your back |
| 17:14.31 | dataw0lf | heck yea |
| 17:14.54 | mindjuju | going to try out some sound equip so you can hear audience |
| 17:15.43 | brasto | My wife, who's been in rehab for 3 months following a brain tumor, childbirth, and seizures all in one week back in August is coming home tonight... I therefore won't be there... |
| 17:16.36 | mindjuju | yipes! sorry to hear about the trouble brasto, glad she's coming home |
| 17:16.38 | PoeticIntensity | brasto.... wow. |
| 17:17.01 | PoeticIntensity | God bless you, and your wife, brasto. |
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| 17:17.42 | brasto | thank you PoeticIntensity and mindjuju. it may be a shock to bring it up like that all the sudden to you guys, but it's something I've had a couple months to adjust to. |
| 17:17.57 | mindjuju | well, the sponsor wants to know what kind of grub he should bring |
| 17:18.04 | mindjuju | should i say sandwich or pizza |
| 17:18.06 | PoeticIntensity | grub?? |
| 17:18.08 | brasto | it does make me gratefull for small things that I took for granted before |
| 17:18.13 | PoeticIntensity | sandwich from whence? |
| 17:18.25 | mindjuju | do you have a preference |
| 17:18.28 | PoeticIntensity | I can only imagine, brasto . |
| 17:18.28 | mindjuju | prolly subway |
| 17:18.45 | mindjuju | are you coming poeticintensity ? |
| 17:18.45 | PoeticIntensity | ever had sensuous sandwich? |
| 17:18.52 | PoeticIntensity | not sure, mindjuju ... |
| 17:18.52 | mindjuju | sounds sexy |
| 17:18.54 | PoeticIntensity | I probably could. |
| 17:19.03 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... that's too far for that. |
| 17:19.09 | PoeticIntensity | SS is in Provo... |
| 17:19.14 | PoeticIntensity | (*Very* good sandwiches, though) |
| 17:19.22 | dataw0lf | brasto: Dang, sorry to hear about that brasto. I hope your family is doing well. |
| 17:19.53 | mindjuju | k, i'm stepping away for a minute, but ya'll say my name and what you want for grub, and i'll pass it on |
| 17:19.56 | brasto | http://flfn.org/blog/brasto |
| 17:20.11 | PoeticIntensity | sandwiches sound good to me. |
| 17:20.20 | PoeticIntensity | not sure if I'm coming or not, but I'd like to learn svn... |
| 17:20.24 | brasto | that's where I've written about things |
| 17:20.28 | brasto | thank you dataw0lf |
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| 17:42.28 | beandog | mm, sensous sandwich |
| 17:42.32 | beandog | too sexy for your mouth |
| 17:43.00 | cycokilr | wow, are they still around? |
| 17:43.01 | wps | when I was a young lad, my father used to surprise us by bringing SS sandwiches home |
| 17:43.40 | wps | yes, in Orem |
| 17:43.41 | wps | http://www.sensuoussandwich.com/ |
| 17:44.03 | wps | and provo |
| 17:50.25 | cycokilr | wow, someone should do a trade with them for like 2 years free sandwiches to update their website.. |
| 17:51.08 | jsmith | Mmmmn... Sensuous Sandwiches... |
| 17:52.20 | cycokilr | wow i didn't realize it was that late.. |
| 17:52.37 | cycokilr | had a midwife appointment this morning though, i guess i came in later than normal.. |
| 17:57.59 | beandog | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/call-for-reader.html |
| 17:58.02 | beandog | quick, someone call Hatch |
| 17:58.07 | beandog | though I can bet what his answer will be. |
| 18:08.19 | tierra | considering that I' |
| 18:09.33 | tierra | I've now had 2 users come back to the svnLogBrowser mailing lists with modifications and discussion of features, that's not too bad since I'm sure most people just download, play with it, maybe set it up permanently, and forget it |
| 18:10.16 | tierra | I know I've been using ViewVC and Subversion itself without ever touching the mailing lists for a long time |
| 18:10.20 | tierra | hehe |
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| 18:13.15 | timinator | I'm getting an "Address Not Found" error on http://www.sensuoussandwich.com/ |
| 18:16.36 | cycokilr | dude, this is why we can't have nice things! |
| 18:17.16 | brasto | http://flfn.org/blog/brasto/stress-test |
| 18:19.56 | timinator | LOL |
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| 18:23.19 | mindjuju | tierra |
| 18:23.29 | mindjuju | what you want for grub |
| 18:23.29 | tierra | sup |
| 18:23.32 | mindjuju | sandwich or pizza |
| 18:23.39 | mindjuju | i'm leaning pizza, but don't care |
| 18:24.19 | tierra | pizza is always a good bet |
| 18:24.31 | influx^^ | pizza sammich |
| 18:24.39 | influx^^ | aka calzone |
| 18:24.42 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 18:24.54 | mindjuju | coolio |
| 18:25.29 | SunSparc | How about, chicken cordon bleu. |
| 18:25.57 | mindjuju | i make a good ccb, but not enough time |
| 18:26.11 | mindjuju | also make good Monte Cristo sandwich |
| 18:26.51 | SunSparc | How about a good Reuben sandwich, complete with saurkraut. |
| 18:27.08 | mindjuju | oh dude, everybody knows best Rueben is at skool lunch |
| 18:27.17 | mindjuju | at least this one up here by me |
| 18:27.24 | SunSparc | Mit pommefritz und dusseldorfer senf. |
| 18:27.36 | mindjuju | big honking pieces of meat, and tons of saurkraut |
| 18:27.53 | PoeticIntensity | holy.... |
| 18:27.54 | PoeticIntensity | cow... |
| 18:27.54 | SunSparc | Siegfried's Deli. Ever tried it? |
| 18:28.01 | mindjuju | nope, any good? |
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| 18:28.11 | PoeticIntensity | sensuoussandwich's website *desperately* needs help. |
| 18:28.13 | SunSparc | No, not good, awesome. |
| 18:28.23 | mindjuju | sunsparc, wherez it at? |
| 18:28.35 | SunSparc | Downtown Salt Lake. |
| 18:28.41 | SunSparc | About 300 south. |
| 18:28.55 | mindjuju | big place or small? could you cram 10 people around a table or would it swamp the place? |
| 18:29.00 | SunSparc | Actually, 20 W 200 S |
| 18:29.16 | mindjuju | oh, that's right at downtown, how's the parking? |
| 18:29.17 | SunSparc | Fair sided. Easily fits 10 around a group of tables. |
| 18:29.33 | SunSparc | sized |
| 18:29.40 | mindjuju | we should do Geek Lunch there |
| 18:29.46 | mindjuju | if it's good |
| 18:29.53 | PoeticIntensity | ugh...... I need some caffeine. |
| 18:29.55 | SunSparc | Parking, you will likely have to pay. |
| 18:30.10 | SunSparc | It is authentic German. |
| 18:30.20 | PoeticIntensity | I played the demo to Enemy Territory : Quake Wars all night last night.... (well.. until 3:30) |
| 18:30.26 | PoeticIntensity | *great* game. |
| 18:30.51 | PoeticIntensity | I've heard good things about TF2. |
| 18:30.56 | PoeticIntensity | looks pretty fun. |
| 18:31.14 | SunSparc | It is, very fun. |
| 18:31.22 | SunSparc | Portal is even more fun. |
| 18:31.30 | PoeticIntensity | Orange Box, eh'? |
| 18:31.35 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 18:31.46 | mindjuju | i'm jealous |
| 18:32.00 | mindjuju | course, i got you guys beat |
| 18:32.05 | PoeticIntensity | oh, don't be, mindjuju ... You can download the demo to ETQW anytime! |
| 18:32.07 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 18:32.18 | mindjuju | i just bought... get this... i just bought |
| 18:32.34 | SunSparc | What? A Prius? |
| 18:32.43 | mindjuju | Age of Mythology, Game of the year <ahem>2005</ahem> on discount @ walmart |
| 18:32.51 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 18:32.58 | PoeticIntensity | I usually follow that route as well. |
| 18:33.06 | mindjuju | course that was about a month ago, haven't gotten around to installing it yet |
| 18:33.12 | mindjuju | but i did take off the wrapper last night |
| 18:33.17 | PoeticIntensity | I've been playing the original Enemy Territory for the past 4 years. |
| 18:33.43 | PoeticIntensity | I usually wait for the games to come to the "bargain bin" before I buy em'. |
| 18:33.54 | PoeticIntensity | and, I'm kinda biased towards games which play well with Linux... |
| 18:34.00 | PoeticIntensity | so... my games are limited. |
| 18:35.25 | mindjuju | happy juice? does it come in a silver flask? |
| 18:35.53 | mgeary | ~lart mindjuju for patronizing Wal-Mart |
| 18:35.53 | jbot | whacks mindjuju with the cluebat for patronizing Wal-Mart |
| 18:36.20 | mindjuju | what's wrong with walmart? |
| 18:36.39 | mindjuju | not that i haven't heard the 1000^7 other arguements |
| 18:36.45 | mindjuju | just want to know which one it is this time |
| 18:37.03 | mgeary | i need to pick just one? |
| 18:37.11 | mindjuju | k, you can have several |
| 18:37.12 | cycokilr | there's nothing wrong with walmart.. |
| 18:37.20 | mindjuju | but your most important reason for not shopping there first |
| 18:37.21 | mgeary | ~karma walmart |
| 18:37.21 | jbot | walmart has neutral karma |
| 18:37.25 | mgeary | bwoah |
| 18:37.39 | mindjuju | snickerdoodgles purchased from... WALMART???? |
| 18:37.44 | thebigdog | oh no |
| 18:38.03 | cycokilr | come on, i want to hear why they're so bad as well.. |
| 18:38.38 | mgeary | mindjuju: i resent what walmart does to communities, to employees, to product manufacturers... |
| 18:38.47 | cycokilr | our country was built on capitalism.. and every time some company makes it so good that they get to be the biggest in their respective field everyone suddenly has a problem with them.. |
| 18:39.13 | cycokilr | prove that walmart (alone) has destroyed any communities.. |
| 18:39.14 | mindjuju | by communities, i'm guessing you mean the mom and pop shops? |
| 18:39.18 | mgeary | not only that |
| 18:39.43 | mgeary | i value a world where going from Utah to, say, Michigan actually means that i get to experience something different |
| 18:39.44 | cycokilr | i think it's the military and government contractors that are making things worse.. |
| 18:40.07 | cycokilr | well that's a totally different story.. |
| 18:40.10 | mindjuju | mgeary, now that's an arguement |
| 18:40.11 | cycokilr | not to mention an opinion.. |
| 18:40.16 | mindjuju | but that shouldn't be constrained to just walmart |
| 18:40.24 | beandog | ooh |
| 18:40.29 | mindjuju | their is a stone drug in Springville being pushed out of business by Walgreens |
| 18:40.31 | mgeary | gotta start somewhere, and they've got many many other reasons to hate them |
| 18:40.32 | beandog | I almost missed the anti-walmart discussion |
| 18:40.44 | mgeary | hate's a strong word, but i hate walmart |
| 18:40.49 | cycokilr | just be glad dataw0lf isn't in here for this one.. |
| 18:40.50 | mindjuju | so, if arguement is franchise america, hmm... i'd say that's valid |
| 18:41.04 | beandog | The end result of free markets + capitalism = monopolies who will push the consumer around and lock you into options you dont want |
| 18:41.06 | mindjuju | but if it is an arguement to not shop at just walmart, then i'd say that's not a fair opionion |
| 18:41.18 | mindjuju | beandog, how true that is |
| 18:41.21 | mgeary | also, did you know that WalMart *requires* their manufacturers to lower prices every year? |
| 18:41.26 | mgeary | requires |
| 18:41.32 | cycokilr | lock you into positions of paying 1/2 of what the mom and pop shops charge for the same products? yeah that's lame.. |
| 18:41.33 | mgeary | now, some may say, whee, that's great for consumers |
| 18:41.44 | mgeary | but what it really means is that quality goes steadily down |
| 18:41.55 | beandog | sure, the prices are cheaper |
| 18:41.56 | cycokilr | that's happening already.. |
| 18:41.58 | beandog | but whats the overall cost? |
| 18:41.58 | mindjuju | v true, but if you want good quality, you can shop the farmer markets |
| 18:42.00 | mindjuju | or other places |
| 18:42.02 | cycokilr | the quality thing |
| 18:42.05 | mindjuju | walmart isn't the only choice |
| 18:42.05 | beandog | For one, loads of underwaged workers with no healthcare |
| 18:42.07 | mgeary | mindjuju: well that's the point |
| 18:42.08 | cycokilr | before walmart came around.. |
| 18:42.12 | mindjuju | if you don't like walmart pants, go to JC pennys |
| 18:42.16 | mgeary | walmart becomes the only choice for many communities |
| 18:42.22 | mgeary | furthermore |
| 18:42.39 | cycokilr | ooh, let's leave the walmart clothing out of this.. does anyone in here really buy clothing there? |
| 18:42.40 | cycokilr | scary |
| 18:42.50 | cycokilr | i mean aside from undies and socks.. |
| 18:42.54 | beandog | When did the almighty buck become the #1 decision make for consumers? There are all kinds of issues at stake here .. environmental, social, ethical |
| 18:43.10 | cycokilr | you can still buy expensive stuff if you want.. |
| 18:43.13 | mgeary | furthermore, do you know how many products are, or are NOT brought to market simply because Walmart will, or won't carry them? |
| 18:43.21 | mgeary | i don't like Walmart having that kind of power |
| 18:43.33 | mindjuju | mgeary, i have heard that also |
| 18:43.40 | mgeary | if walmart tells a manufacturer it won't carry something, the manufacturer will kill the product. period |
| 18:43.42 | mgeary | lovely |
| 18:43.45 | cycokilr | so |
| 18:43.58 | cycokilr | what we don't know can't hurt us |
| 18:43.59 | cycokilr | right? |
| 18:44.00 | mindjuju | however, i've found that a lot of commerce is happening on the internet for speciality items like that |
| 18:44.36 | mgeary | sure |
| 18:44.37 | mindjuju | big or small, all you need is UPS |
| 18:44.45 | mgeary | but that doesn't justify what walmart does |
| 18:44.56 | cycokilr | makes money? |
| 18:44.58 | cycokilr | so |
| 18:44.59 | timinator | it levels the playing field.... similar to myspace for music artists |
| 18:45.02 | cycokilr | that's the goal isn't it? |
| 18:45.14 | mindjuju | well, walmart doesn't say to the manufactor, don't build this... they just say we won't buy this |
| 18:45.22 | mindjuju | it's really the manufactor you should be mad at |
| 18:45.25 | timinator | that's why I think that Apple should become a record label: http://ithinkiknowitall.com |
| 18:45.27 | cycokilr | you gotta get back to basics with all this.. you can point out bad things in anything.. |
| 18:45.33 | cycokilr | look at the bottom line |
| 18:45.36 | timinator | </shameless plug> |
| 18:45.48 | beandog | Ok |
| 18:45.58 | beandog | One bottom line is most of the crap comes from a country where there are no human rights |
| 18:46.08 | cycokilr | so |
| 18:46.09 | mgeary | http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html |
| 18:46.14 | beandog | But that doesnt matter |
| 18:46.15 | mgeary | that's a good article |
| 18:46.19 | beandog | because I saved 18 cents on my hanes |
| 18:46.22 | cycokilr | that's their country.. let them manage it.. |
| 18:46.30 | cycokilr | if they manage it poorly that's their fault.. |
| 18:46.36 | cycokilr | we have to manage ours |
| 18:46.41 | mgeary | that's a crappy attitude, cycokilr |
| 18:46.43 | mgeary | imho |
| 18:46.44 | beandog | So you dont give a damn about the rest of the world? |
| 18:46.57 | mindjuju | actually, cycokilr has a point |
| 18:47.05 | cycokilr | basics guys.. |
| 18:47.08 | mindjuju | i just reread the George Washington address at Yorktown |
| 18:47.09 | cycokilr | you look too far.. |
| 18:47.11 | mindjuju | when he left office |
| 18:47.12 | beandog | WalMart is taking advantage of a gross injustic |
| 18:47.20 | beandog | well, most retailers are. |
| 18:47.23 | beandog | gotta be fair. |
| 18:47.27 | mindjuju | he pretty much gives the Monroe Doctrine right there |
| 18:47.32 | cycokilr | but they are doing it because someone is letting them.. |
| 18:47.41 | mindjuju | let Europe manage itself be very careful with allies |
| 18:47.45 | cycokilr | if they don't stand up to them, shame on them, not on us.. |
| 18:48.10 | beandog | So the attitude is, well its their fault they are being pushed around, in the mean time Ill just take advantage of the poor saps |
| 18:48.13 | mindjuju | it's good to treat everybody judiciously |
| 18:48.13 | cycokilr | and that is a personal opinion choice at that point.. |
| 18:48.18 | beandog | I think thats called "grinding the faces of the poor" |
| 18:48.19 | cycokilr | walmart isn't the bad guy for that.. |
| 18:48.27 | mgeary | read the fastcompany article |
| 18:48.28 | mgeary | ^^ |
| 18:48.35 | cycokilr | i use logic |
| 18:48.58 | cycokilr | the powerful will always use the weak (if they allow them to).. |
| 18:49.19 | mgeary | cycokilr: so it's the responsibility of the weak to prevent the powerful from using them??? |
| 18:49.23 | cycokilr | there are plenty of countries that wouldn't put up with it.. |
| 18:49.37 | beandog | thats sad |
| 18:49.38 | cycokilr | too far man.. |
| 18:49.46 | mindjuju | social contract |
| 18:49.46 | cycokilr | get back to the beginning.. |
| 18:49.55 | mgeary | those who have power have the responsibility to use it for the good of all |
| 18:50.09 | mindjuju | mgeary, how is that enforceable ? |
| 18:50.14 | cycokilr | dude, the only reason we have a country is because we stood up to england.. |
| 18:50.15 | cycokilr | duh |
| 18:50.17 | mgeary | mindjuju: ask marie antoinette |
| 18:50.21 | cycokilr | we wouldn't put up with it.. |
| 18:50.25 | mindjuju | mgeary! perfect point |
| 18:50.35 | mindjuju | the people must take a stance |
| 18:50.41 | mindjuju | cycokilr is right |
| 18:50.48 | mindjuju | the people dictate |
| 18:50.50 | mgeary | cycokilr: and we would have fallen FLAT on our faces but for the support of Spain and France |
| 18:51.15 | cycokilr | i don't care about being right at all.. i just think people should keep their personal opinions from mixing with fact.. |
| 18:51.18 | mgeary | the American revolution was greatly facilitated by many other countries who wanted to see England's power taken down a bit |
| 18:52.03 | cycokilr | good for us then.. maybe these countries being slighted by walmart should enlist some friendlies.. |
| 18:52.32 | cycokilr | i'm looking at history man.. i have no opinion of walmart one way or the other.. |
| 18:52.37 | cycokilr | they're just a retailer to me.. |
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| 18:52.47 | cycokilr | crap, i'm done. |
| 18:52.52 | mgeary | aww, nice timing, dataw0lf |
| 18:52.57 | beandog | you missed it all |
| 18:53.01 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:53.02 | mgeary | you just missed the whole walmart bash-up |
| 18:53.23 | mindjuju | does dataw0lf not shop at walmart? |
| 18:54.31 | cycokilr | hey how many keys does a piano have? |
| 18:54.37 | mgeary | 88 |
| 18:54.42 | cycokilr | sweet thanks.. |
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| 19:24.04 | PoeticIntensity | crap.... |
| 19:24.08 | PoeticIntensity | I just get into the discussion and now it's over. |
| 19:24.09 | PoeticIntensity | AND |
| 19:24.15 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta leave AGAIN. |
| 19:30.11 | thebigdog | ok discussion time |
| 19:30.23 | thebigdog | what javascript libraries are you guys all using |
| 19:30.30 | _psychic_ | proto+scripty |
| 19:30.36 | thebigdog | not frameworks...but libs |
| 19:30.45 | _psychic_ | libs.... for what? |
| 19:30.54 | thebigdog | that have controls already |
| 19:30.57 | thebigdog | scripty is one |
| 19:31.02 | _psychic_ | mootools |
| 19:33.20 | thebigdog | does it have a table data component |
| 19:34.51 | mgeary | thebigdog: what do you want to do? |
| 19:35.25 | thebigdog | here is what i have....i have tons of table data that needs to be displayed in atleast 3 different areas |
| 19:35.37 | thebigdog | i want to just put the data on the page once |
| 19:35.48 | thebigdog | right now i have it 2x (1 html , 1 json) |
| 19:36.00 | thebigdog | and it is killing IE7 with the amount of json data i have |
| 19:36.23 | thebigdog | so i was hoping there was a js lib that would deal with the data in html format and create the other stuff via that |
| 19:36.42 | thebigdog | i see YUI has one...but wondering if there is any other libs out there |
| 19:36.59 | mgeary | wen you say "create the other stuff" you mean like via DOM? |
| 19:37.49 | thebigdog | yeah...pretty much other data components |
| 19:37.55 | thebigdog | the other "views" |
| 19:38.28 | mgeary | hmm. i've done a bit of DOM stuff via Scriptaculous+Prototype. that's about it |
| 19:48.16 | brasto | mindjuju - is the attendance for the party on Saturday looking good? |
| 19:50.45 | mgeary | what time would it be? do we know about the weather on Saturday? |
| 19:53.00 | mgeary | :/ http://www.weather.com/weather/wxdetail/84097?dayNum=2&from=weekend |
| 19:57.35 | thebigdog | it was going to be indoors |
| 19:57.50 | thebigdog | i talked with him about hte reservations at the park and they needed a deposit |
| 19:57.53 | thebigdog | which we dont have |
| 19:58.06 | thebigdog | so i talked too see about Thanksgiving point |
| 19:58.24 | thebigdog | there is pretty much everything there |
| 19:58.28 | thebigdog | food, fun and more |
| 19:58.43 | thebigdog | but not sure anyone responded from the emails |
| 20:02.44 | tierra | oh man... maybe I shouldn't have had Lorena's for lunch... might be a little tough to fit some pizza when the meeting rolls around |
| 20:10.25 | mindjuju | k, i'm back, i only got emails from a couple of people saying they couldn't come |
| 20:10.36 | mindjuju | then 2 people besides me that could, brasto and thebigdog |
| 20:10.58 | mindjuju | seems like lots of interest when it was tucanos but it's tapered off now |
| 20:11.43 | brasto | That's what my impression is: there was lots of interest at first, and now there's not much - at least not expressed. |
| 20:12.10 | mindjuju | yeah, so i think we'll scrub this one, and maybe reschudle so that its tucanos on some day in the future |
| 20:12.46 | brasto | ~macnewbold |
| 20:12.47 | jbot | macnewbold is probably unavailable |
| 20:13.05 | brasto | macnewbold: you had a few suggestions on it, were you planning to attend? |
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| 20:51.13 | PoeticIntensity | I'm sure that this probably won't spark another discussion, but I've simply gotta chime in here. |
| 20:51.23 | PoeticIntensity | After reading the whole Wal-mart issue.... I have mixed feelings about it.... |
| 20:51.42 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 20:52.01 | PoeticIntensity | Because on one hand, I believe pretty fervently in democracy and the right for people to "build a better mousetrap" |
| 20:52.02 | jsmith | You mean like everything else, it's not back and white, but a shade of green? |
| 20:52.37 | PoeticIntensity | and I honestly think that if Wal-mart was doing anything seriously illegal - the feds would figure it out... (maybe not, but that's besides the point) |
| 20:52.41 | influx^^ | http://pasetbin.ca/741606 |
| 20:52.56 | PoeticIntensity | I really only think that Wal-mart is trying to do the best they can in the sector they're in. |
| 20:53.16 | influx^^ | For some reason, that is returning a 1 instead of the 7 it should, but when I run that same command in phpmyadmin, i get the correct result. |
| 20:53.16 | PoeticIntensity | If they really are telling people they need to "lower their prices or else".... |
| 20:53.36 | PoeticIntensity | it's the fault of the manufacturers for bowing down to their wishes. |
| 20:54.13 | PoeticIntensity | It's definitely a dog-eat-dog world, and if you can do stuff better and cheaper than the next guy, then why should we penalize him for doing so? |
| 20:54.59 | mindjuju | i think in the end, mgeary was lamenting the loss of the mom and pop shops. he had some other arguments out there, but that was a main one for him. |
| 20:55.09 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 20:55.12 | mindjuju | course, the mom and pops took over the general store |
| 20:55.18 | PoeticIntensity | well... it's time for mom and pop to build a better mouse-trap. |
| 20:55.21 | mindjuju | so i'm sure there would have been some lamenting there |
| 20:55.28 | PoeticIntensity | or sell something which Wal-mart doesn't. |
| 20:55.48 | mindjuju | true |
| 20:55.55 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 20:55.57 | PoeticIntensity | bottom-line... |
| 20:56.02 | mindjuju | i think the internet equalizes |
| 20:56.14 | PoeticIntensity | I believe in the Constitution..... and democracy is the shiznit... :) |
| 20:56.15 | mindjuju | there is no need to invest in brick and mortar though it significantly helps |
| 20:56.16 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 20:56.19 | jsmith | eBay equalizes Wal-Mart? |
| 20:56.41 | mindjuju | no, companies like woot do |
| 20:56.45 | mindjuju | or thinkgeek |
| 20:56.55 | mindjuju | they have a niche, they go after it, they make money |
| 20:56.57 | mindjuju | they happy |
| 20:57.08 | mindjuju | i see that niche, i like what they sell, i buy shirt, i happy |
| 20:57.38 | influx^^ | iHappiness |
| 20:57.47 | influx^^ | 1.0 |
| 20:57.53 | PoeticIntensity | I hear ya. |
| 20:58.07 | influx^^ | ha |
| 20:59.00 | mindjuju | k, so i have some bad news, our sponsor for this month regrets to inform that he won't be able to make it after all, so that leaves us without a sponsor |
| 20:59.06 | mindjuju | :( |
| 20:59.20 | mindjuju | course, that leaves us to go to applebees to get food :) |
| 20:59.44 | mgeary | hey |
| 20:59.51 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 21:00.03 | mgeary | mom-and-pop isn't my primary grievance |
| 21:00.09 | mgeary | just a very visible one |
| 21:00.12 | mindjuju | oh, sorry |
| 21:00.16 | dataw0lf | the internet equalizes Wal-Mart? ehl oh ehl. |
| 21:00.33 | mindjuju | poeticintensity, i got it wrong, mgeary wasn't as mad about loss of mom and pop |
| 21:00.44 | timinator | ihappyness.com |
| 21:01.13 | dataw0lf | y'know who's paying for all the healthcare of Wal-Mart employees? YOU! Fun times, eh? |
| 21:01.25 | mgeary | yeah, that's another one |
| 21:01.26 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 21:01.30 | PoeticIntensity | fun times. |
| 21:01.55 | mindjuju | would it matter where they were employed? |
| 21:02.06 | mindjuju | they were working at walmart |
| 21:02.08 | dataw0lf | Of course it does. |
| 21:02.18 | mindjuju | would it make a difference if they were flipping burgers at whopper king |
| 21:02.20 | dataw0lf | because some companies provide health care to their employees. |
| 21:02.27 | mindjuju | i would pay just the same amount in public coverage |
| 21:02.31 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I dunno, does BK supply it's employees with healthcare? |
| 21:02.35 | mindjuju | hello, they work at walmart |
| 21:02.35 | dataw0lf | I know In-N-Out does. |
| 21:02.38 | dataw0lf | Costco |
| 21:02.42 | dataw0lf | so what? |
| 21:03.02 | dataw0lf | that means we should pay for their healthcare? They're gainfully employed. At a company with huge profit margins. |
| 21:03.09 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: a great article about why WalMart is evil is.... |
| 21:03.20 | mgeary | http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html |
| 21:03.53 | mindjuju | mgeary, i read that article |
| 21:03.59 | mindjuju | not very good |
| 21:04.10 | mindjuju | he says a lot of stuff, but doesn't back it up with quotes |
| 21:04.28 | mindjuju | he says... " walmart does this.. " and suggest a corporate strategy they may employ |
| 21:04.35 | mgeary | so you don't believe him? |
| 21:04.37 | mindjuju | but doesn't actually quote the strategy from the book of policy |
| 21:04.41 | mgeary | 'cause there's plenty of data out there |
| 21:04.48 | mindjuju | or quote somebody in authority who says that is what they do |
| 21:04.53 | dataw0lf | The whole point is that the "capitalist defense" doesn't work for companies like Wal-Mart. |
| 21:04.55 | mindjuju | no, i don't believe people blindly |
| 21:04.59 | dataw0lf | Wal-Mart HURTS capitalism. |
| 21:05.02 | dataw0lf | It doesn't help it. |
| 21:05.04 | mindjuju | i need to see some quotes from people who know |
| 21:05.06 | synic | ~gender mindjuju |
| 21:05.06 | jbot | I heard mindjuju is gay. |
| 21:05.12 | mindjuju | ~flip synic |
| 21:05.13 | jbot | ACTION gives synic the .|.. ..|. |
| 21:05.21 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:05.25 | mgeary | jbot: gay isn't a gender, it's a sexual orientation |
| 21:05.26 | wps | what does sexual orientation have to do with someone's gender? |
| 21:05.27 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: you don't believe people blindly? |
| 21:05.37 | mindjuju | no |
| 21:05.38 | dataw0lf | I won't even go into religion on this one... I gotta go back to work. |
| 21:05.54 | mindjuju | even in religion, i don't believe blindly |
| 21:05.59 | wps | me either |
| 21:06.03 | dataw0lf | oh man |
| 21:06.07 | mindjuju | and if you read Brigham Young, you'd know he doesn't suggest anybody do either |
| 21:06.14 | dataw0lf | so, ok, do you believe Jesus rose from the grave 3 days after being crucified? |
| 21:06.20 | mindjuju | just like i don't believe science blindly |
| 21:06.32 | tierra | he goes the channel |
| 21:06.35 | tierra | *here |
| 21:06.42 | mindjuju | oh, hey, there is stuff stuff in the air, it's called ether and it affects light |
| 21:06.45 | mindjuju | then 30 yrs later |
| 21:06.50 | mindjuju | WHOOPS! no ether! |
| 21:06.54 | dataw0lf | no, just answer the question, do you believe Jesus rose from the grave? |
| 21:06.55 | mindjuju | well, heck |
| 21:07.08 | mgeary | mindjuju: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart |
| 21:07.15 | mgeary | lots o' sources cited there |
| 21:07.24 | wps | I do, dataw0lf |
| 21:07.26 | mgeary | 119 it seems |
| 21:07.29 | mindjuju | mgeary, i'm sure this exists, just like i could talk to econs that say the opposite |
| 21:07.35 | dataw0lf | wps: which is cool, I can get that. But why do you believe that? |
| 21:07.35 | wps | but not just because someone told me |
| 21:07.37 | dataw0lf | Faith? |
| 21:07.42 | dataw0lf | because... why? |
| 21:08.03 | mgeary | mindjuju: i think you're just rationalizing because you don't mind buying crappy products at low prices... ;) |
| 21:08.03 | wps | because I have heard a voice and had a physical experience in answer to a prayer that it was true |
| 21:08.04 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you should be careful with these arguments, your belief in science is just as vulnerable |
| 21:08.22 | dataw0lf | wps: Well that's cool. |
| 21:08.26 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: You're out of your mind. |
| 21:08.29 | mindjuju | mgeary, i'm curious. where do you shop at? |
| 21:08.49 | dataw0lf | I have to get back to work though. |
| 21:08.49 | mindjuju | dude, you're the one that believes in science, I'm out of MY mind? |
| 21:08.53 | wps | I think it is |
| 21:09.18 | wps | I sure as heck wouldn't be wasting my time getting an ulcer for not getting my home teaching done if I didn't have something substantial to go on :) |
| 21:09.25 | mindjuju | lucky for science they invented an eraser for all the knowledge we knew and then had to change because we found out something better |
| 21:09.45 | mgeary | well, i shop all over, when i shop at all. i don't shop at Walmart, but i do, for example, shop at Costco. And before you jump on that i'll point out that Costco has abundant examples of buying unique products from local vendors |
| 21:10.13 | mgeary | for non-costco stuff, i'll go to my locally-owned Day's Market |
| 21:10.20 | wps | I shopped at Wal-Mart in cancuun and 50% of the products were local |
| 21:10.37 | wps | I try to shop at Maceys because they are closed on Sunday |
| 21:10.48 | mindjuju | i love maceys |
| 21:10.53 | wps | Days is even better because they don't sell drugs like the others do |
| 21:11.16 | mgeary | i like Maceys because they're the only ones who carry Frosted Chex any more :) |
| 21:11.27 | wps | and peanut butter m&ms |
| 21:12.12 | mindjuju | well, mgeary, i know you're mad about walmart and stuff, but really, this is history repeating itself. honest. let's look down the line. long time ago, people grew stuff on farms and sold in farmers markets. then came the evil can and people started to put food in the can and then haul them on trucks and sell in store |
| 21:12.15 | mindjuju | nobody cried for them |
| 21:13.03 | mindjuju | this is just the evolution of capitalism |
| 21:13.03 | mgeary | no, it's capitalism gone amuck |
| 21:13.12 | mgeary | just because something *can* happen, or even if something *does* happen, doesn't mean it *should* happen |
| 21:13.25 | mindjuju | true, but i don't agree that walmart is bad |
| 21:13.38 | mgeary | well, i think you're ignoring a lot of data |
| 21:14.04 | mindjuju | well, i'll look at the wiki article, and i'll find some pro stuff to share with you |
| 21:14.04 | mgeary | but again, i'm not trying to convince anyone. but i don't shop at walmart |
| 21:14.24 | mindjuju | well, you kinda are trying to convince. i mentioned i bought a game there and you got kinda rough |
| 21:14.29 | jsmith | So Wal-mart is the modern version of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"? |
| 21:14.41 | mindjuju | i didn't start out with a pro walmart stance or a negative |
| 21:14.49 | mindjuju | love that book, jsmith |
| 21:15.24 | mgeary | mindjuju: well, passing judgement from the sidelines isn't quite the same as trying to convince :P |
| 21:15.41 | mindjuju | except that, i didn't ask you to judge me |
| 21:15.51 | mgeary | was kidding |
| 21:16.06 | mgeary | i am fond of many people who shop at walmart. i'd be very lonely if not |
| 21:16.35 | mindjuju | well, to each their own. |
| 21:17.31 | mindjuju | :) |
| 21:18.00 | mindjuju | sally struthers? |
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| 21:18.17 | mindjuju | the mail order school lady who used to be in All in the family? |
| 21:18.40 | influx^^ | The Save the Children lady. |
| 21:18.45 | influx^^ | I don't know if she was in All in the Family. |
| 21:18.56 | mindjuju | yeah, she was rob reiner's wife |
| 21:19.01 | mindjuju | archie's daughter |
| 21:19.30 | mindjuju | only 2 shows my old man would watch, All in the family and Kojak |
| 21:19.43 | mindjuju | occasionally Hawaii 5 0 |
| 21:20.26 | influx^^ | Perry Mason! |
| 21:20.41 | influx^^ | Dude, he's awesome. |
| 21:20.50 | wps | nothing beats Black Ader though |
| 21:22.00 | herlo | s/Ad/Add/g |
| 21:22.15 | wps | thanks |
| 21:24.49 | influx^^ | heh |
| 21:34.32 | brasto | walmart is promoting a safer world, too. they have some of their newest buildings built with new lower power usage technology, and they have a goal to sell at least one low-power florescent bulb to every home in america. They estimate this will send a few tons less of carbon emissions into the ozone per day. |
| 21:36.19 | mgeary | heh, well GWB says he's promoting a safer world, too. Certainly it'll be welcome when/if WM uses their might to effect some positive change, but there's still a lot of grievances... |
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| 21:39.03 | dataw0lf | well, there's a difference between GWB and Wal-Mart, let's just get that clear |
| 21:39.25 | mgeary | i think we can all agree on that |
| 21:39.44 | brasto | dataw0lf - actually, Jesus rose 2 days after his crucifiction. it was "on the third day" according to how the Jews count time. They started with 1 instead of 0. Jesus gave up the ghost on a Friday. He rose again on Sunday. |
| 21:39.48 | brasto | :) |
| 21:40.18 | dataw0lf | those Jews. They can't do anything right. |
| 21:41.03 | cycokilr | there are some decent jewish delis in Cleveland.. |
| 21:41.19 | brasto | I shop at Maceys for the same reason wps |
| 21:41.24 | dataw0lf | cycokilr: and movies too |
| 21:41.25 | brasto | when I don't shop at walmart |
| 21:41.31 | dataw0lf | cycokilr: they're pretty good economists... |
| 21:41.34 | dataw0lf | alright, I take back what I said. |
| 21:41.42 | cycokilr | yeah, they're not all bad... |
| 21:41.57 | orsonj | come on. ;) the first day you were here is the day you came here. the second day you were here, you had been here 1 day (give or take time of day). the third day you were here you had been here 2 days (give or take time of day) |
| 21:42.31 | orsonj | there are always places for begin 0 and begin 1 counting. |
| 21:42.55 | timinator | like array() |
| 21:43.10 | orsonj | but never 42 (because 42 is the answer (end) and not the question (begining)) |
| 21:43.10 | dataw0lf | orsonj: I know, I just like making fun of jews. |
| 21:43.50 | orsonj | ~jew dataw0lf |
| 21:44.09 | cycokilr | haha.. |
| 21:44.41 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:44.46 | cycokilr | i lived next to a jewish family in ventura for a while.. they were kinda strange.. |
| 21:44.50 | mindjuju | wow, i wonder who put that one in there |
| 21:45.02 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: there isn't a jew command |
| 21:45.17 | dataw0lf | cycokilr: yea, I knew a lot of jews in Chicago... they can be... strange. |
| 21:45.30 | dataw0lf | they throw some kickin' parties though. |
| 21:45.30 | cycokilr | i dig the sideburn braids though.. |
| 21:45.34 | mgeary | but surely not more so than mormons |
| 21:45.36 | dataw0lf | yea, I want some sideburn braids. |
| 21:46.00 | dataw0lf | well, no, mormons are at a pretty high level of strangeness when you're immersed in their environment after not meeting more than one mormon in your life. |
| 21:46.21 | dataw0lf | "You ... don't... drink... what?!?!" *chugs beer* |
| 21:46.24 | dataw0lf | More for me! |
| 21:46.46 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 21:48.05 | brasto | ~johnwayne timinator |
| 21:48.06 | jbot | ACTION points a paint-gun at timinator and says: "start dancing, pilgrim". |
| 21:48.25 | timinator | very nice |
| 21:48.30 | timinator | ~flip brasto |
| 21:48.31 | jbot | ACTION gives brasto the .|.. ..|. |
| 21:48.50 | mindjuju | nice |
| 21:49.12 | orsonj | ~wash the cows |
| 21:49.13 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on the cows and says "That was for the smell" |
| 21:50.14 | dataw0lf | wps: answer to your question on the ML |
| 21:50.44 | wps | thanks |
| 21:52.54 | orsonj | I don't see no dancin' |
| 21:52.57 | orsonj | ~miss timinator |
| 21:52.58 | jbot | ACTION whips a six shooter from her hip and fires just to the right of timinator. |
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| 21:54.08 | brasto | wps - there's another one where someone thinks jbot's a girl... |
| 21:54.53 | orsonj | I didn't make that one, I just found it. |
| 21:55.24 | timinator | ~kick orsonj |
| 21:55.25 | jbot | ACTION kicks orsonj |
| 21:55.51 | timinator | ~dance timinator |
| 21:55.52 | jbot | timinator, dance with me! Ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' Elive, stayin' Elive |
| 22:03.22 | orsonj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kGUW6M7W0 |
| 22:04.55 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: you know the Beastie Boys are a bunch of hippies |
| 22:05.24 | mindjuju | didn't know that, but some songs they do are really good |
| 22:05.39 | dataw0lf | hippies! |
| 22:06.14 | brasto | the beasty boys were not born yet in the hippie era... |
| 22:06.16 | mindjuju | i don't have anything against hippies |
| 22:06.37 | dataw0lf | brasto: sure they were |
| 22:06.41 | dataw0lf | they were born in the sixties |
| 22:06.53 | dataw0lf | but I mean hippies in the colloquial sense. |
| 22:06.56 | brasto | ah... so they were baby hippies... |
| 22:08.33 | brasto | I've enjoyed today's discussions on religion, walmart, and hippies. unfortunately, it's time to go for the day. see y'all later. |
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| 22:22.05 | mgeary | ~slacker brasto |
| 22:34.46 | mindjuju | i'm looking for a multi file uploader , drag and drop thats php friendly. was thinking about jupload, but it may be too picture centric |
| 22:35.15 | cycokilr | oh man, my company is starting a texas hold-em tourney in the breakroom.. so sad.. |
| 22:35.16 | mindjuju | anybody want to recommend a sexy app that does this. don't mind shelling out a few bones, just want it sexy and functional |
| 22:35.48 | macnewbold | I have seen a pretty good one, but don't know the name of it :( |
| 22:36.02 | mindjuju | macnewbold, do you remember anything i could google on it? |
| 22:36.14 | mindjuju | like name of maker or anything like that? |
| 22:36.27 | macnewbold | nothing other than words like file and uploader... |
| 22:36.34 | macnewbold | I think it might have been in flash or something |
| 22:36.43 | mindjuju | that would be nice |
| 22:36.44 | macnewbold | I'm not completely sure it was multi-file though |
| 22:36.47 | mindjuju | i need a soft feel for it |
| 22:36.59 | macnewbold | you could probably do some good stuff with AJAX too, I wonder if there's anything that works out of the box |
| 22:37.25 | mindjuju | i think jupload is good, but aside from photo centric, its a java applet |
| 22:37.47 | mindjuju | on the other hand, i used it 3 years ago and still seems to be going strong, so likely its tried and true |
| 22:39.53 | bradym | mindjuju: http://swfupload.mammon.se/index.php might be worth a try |
| 22:40.54 | mindjuju | checking it out now, thx bradym! |
| 22:44.12 | bradym | np, hope it'll work for you |
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| 23:03.17 | bradym | mindjuju: is that close to what you're looking for? |
| 23:04.20 | wps | ooo, very nice |
| 23:07.24 | cycokilr | so nice that he left.. |
| 23:12.14 | tierra | the internet has left them satisfied, so it's now been discarded |
| 23:13.02 | mgeary | interesting |
| 23:13.22 | mgeary | a 4 meg CSV file takes over 31 megs of memory in php to parse as an array of arrays |
| 23:13.27 | mgeary | that's a lot of overhead from the arrays |
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| 23:29.16 | tierra | wow |
| 23:29.55 | tierra | i figure a small amount for key indexes, but not that much |
| 23:30.40 | mgeary | each row in the csv file takes an accumulated ~4k, it seems. and i've got 10k rows. it poops out at row 7230 |
| 23:30.49 | mgeary | crazy |
| 23:32.27 | tierra | and actually, importing from CSV shouldn't have any key indexes (it's numbered) |
| 23:38.07 | mgeary | hey, anyone (still) here done much integrating with Google Maps? |
| 23:38.37 | Utah_Dave | s/Guts/Gutsy |
| 23:38.46 | Utah_Dave | s/Guts/Gutsy/ |
| 23:39.42 | tierra | see everyone at the meeting |
| 23:45.10 | bradym | mgeary: i've done a couple things with Google Maps - for my most recent integration i found http://www.phpinsider.com/php/code/GoogleMapAPI/ |
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| 23:45.28 | PoeticIntensity | yo.... who's all going to the meeting here? |
| 23:45.31 | PoeticIntensity | (tonight) |
| 23:45.46 | mgeary | bradym: nice. thanks |
| 23:46.18 | mgeary | bradym: what i'm trying to find out is if there's a javascript-less way of doing a basic integration |
| 23:47.32 | mgeary | i've got a Director/Shockwave app and i want to bring in a satellite view underneath some other stuff. But Director can't play with javascript |
| 23:48.02 | bradym | hmm.. |
| 23:48.10 | mgeary | i'd want something like: |
| 23:48.33 | mgeary | maps.google.com/someapi/?coord1=whatever&coord2=whatever&..... |
| 23:48.36 | mgeary | and have that return a jpeg |
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