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| 00:18.05 | mindjuju | ugh, talk about a heck of a day |
| 00:18.24 | thebigdog | man im in json hell today |
| 00:19.04 | mindjuju | do you like JSON thebigdog? |
| 00:19.09 | mindjuju | i was looking into that |
| 00:19.19 | thebigdog | yeah its cool...dont like it with IE though |
| 00:19.33 | thebigdog | i use it with tons of data |
| 00:21.32 | mindjuju | hey thebigdog, got a moment? |
| 00:21.41 | thebigdog | y |
| 00:22.35 | mindjuju | we had a family extraganza planned for this weekend, but it kinda fell by the wayside, or at least it seems that way to me. do you know anybody planning on going, or should i sink it? |
| 00:22.52 | thebigdog | going to the picnic? |
| 00:23.06 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 00:23.11 | mindjuju | oh, you mean, am i going |
| 00:23.23 | mindjuju | i could, but not sure who else is |
| 00:23.36 | thebigdog | we have it planned for this weekend right? |
| 00:23.45 | thebigdog | that is what i put on my calendar? |
| 00:23.50 | thebigdog | not a question |
| 00:24.04 | mindjuju | well, we've talked about it, but just haven't heard anybody talk about it on the mailing list |
| 00:24.18 | mindjuju | wasn't sure if there was critical mass |
| 00:24.22 | thebigdog | yeah...i think wps put it on the calendar |
| 00:24.34 | thebigdog | did anyone schedule the park? |
| 00:24.53 | mindjuju | i'll send out an email to remind everybody that its this weekend |
| 00:25.20 | herlo | http://arts.utah.gov/quarter/index.html - Utah Quarter released |
| 00:26.18 | thebigdog | do we have the park thought? |
| 00:28.36 | mindjuju | no res, looking now -- $50 bucks for a pavillion |
| 00:28.54 | mindjuju | son of a! |
| 00:29.14 | mindjuju | thebigdog, maybe it's free? Park pavilions may be reserved and paid for during open hours at the Orem Fitness Center for the reservation season May 1 through September 30 of each calendar year. |
| 00:29.18 | mindjuju | http://www.orem.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=68 |
| 00:29.26 | mindjuju | we're out of the registration season |
| 00:29.46 | thebigdog | you can check tomorrow |
| 00:29.50 | thebigdog | i was planning on going |
| 00:29.51 | mindjuju | y |
| 00:30.01 | thebigdog | if not then i would do lunch in slc if you like |
| 00:30.10 | mindjuju | where are we going to get $50? |
| 00:30.30 | thebigdog | if it is not free then i would not worry about it then |
| 00:30.43 | mindjuju | should have stuck to tucanos |
| 00:30.54 | thebigdog | perhaps we should just find out how many are going |
| 00:31.14 | mindjuju | k, i'll send out an emial to determine interest |
| 00:31.16 | thebigdog | plan on going |
| 00:31.49 | mindjuju | well, my wife still wants to do something family , geeks or not |
| 00:31.55 | mindjuju | so, i have that day marked aside |
| 00:32.08 | mindjuju | would love to do something with other geek families though |
| 00:32.58 | thebigdog | yeah same here |
| 00:33.12 | thebigdog | there the biggest cornmaze up in layton |
| 00:33.17 | thebigdog | it is pretty cool |
| 00:33.23 | thebigdog | i was going to that too |
| 00:33.38 | thebigdog | very family oriented...has tons for all the kiddies |
| 00:33.46 | thebigdog | most ages |
| 00:34.00 | mindjuju | layton? is that between ogden and SLC or ogden and northward? |
| 00:34.10 | thebigdog | ogden and slc |
| 00:35.16 | thebigdog | its kinda a drive but might be worth the fun |
| 00:35.28 | thebigdog | not sure if there are cornmazes down your way |
| 00:36.27 | mindjuju | there's one at thanksgiving point, maybe we could have 2 events, one for the north, one for the south |
| 00:37.05 | thebigdog | i would hit TG point |
| 00:37.09 | mindjuju | i know many people in SLC are scared to go into Happy Valley and i know a lot of people in Orem and Provo afraid to go to the SLC |
| 00:37.12 | thebigdog | that is not a too bad drive |
| 00:37.19 | thebigdog | yeah |
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| 01:33.28 | macnewbol1 | ~rlart |
| 01:33.30 | jbot | hits macnewbol1 with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 01:33.39 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 01:33.40 | jbot | pushes the wall down onto synic whilst whistling innocently |
| 01:33.43 | macnewbold | better |
| 01:33.48 | macnewbold | rlarting yourself just isn't that fun |
| 01:33.50 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 01:33.50 | jbot | strangles mindjuju with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 01:33.55 | macnewbold | ~wave mindjuju |
| 01:33.55 | jbot | Bye, mindjuju |
| 01:33.58 | macnewbold | hm |
| 01:34.02 | macnewbold | ~greet mindjuju |
| 01:34.02 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on mindjuju |
| 01:34.10 | macnewbold | ~welcome mindjuju |
| 01:34.11 | jbot | Hey, mindjuju! Glad you could join us. |
| 01:34.16 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 01:34.17 | macnewbold | hi |
| 01:34.17 | macnewbold | sorry |
| 01:34.23 | mindjuju | :) |
| 01:34.23 | macnewbold | workin late again? me too |
| 01:34.36 | mindjuju | yeah, building a form that allows uploads |
| 01:34.40 | macnewbold | fun |
| 01:34.45 | mindjuju | you? |
| 01:34.52 | macnewbold | don't forget to set the encoding to multipart/form-data |
| 01:34.56 | macnewbold | I always forget that |
| 01:35.01 | mindjuju | yeah, form no workie without it |
| 01:35.03 | macnewbold | about to head out actually |
| 01:35.09 | macnewbold | crazy times |
| 01:35.13 | macnewbold | person #8 started work today here |
| 01:35.20 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 01:35.22 | macnewbold | we're supposed to sign a lease on our new office space tomorrow |
| 01:35.26 | mindjuju | get that load off your shoulders |
| 01:35.37 | mindjuju | and the Utopia? |
| 01:35.41 | macnewbold | yeah, talked to the VOIP guy today to start getting our numbers ported |
| 01:35.53 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 01:35.59 | macnewbold | Utopia should be good to go, the fiber's already at the curb in front of the building |
| 01:36.11 | macnewbold | we've arranged for the ping-pong table already |
| 01:36.17 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 01:36.33 | macnewbold | and today we were talking about buying a small used school bus, to help all the bountiful/layton/ogden guys carpool to work |
| 01:36.40 | macnewbold | it would be great advertising, I think |
| 01:36.44 | mindjuju | you're kidding! |
| 01:36.46 | macnewbold | not only for us, but for Gradefix too |
| 01:36.51 | mindjuju | how awesome is that!\ |
| 01:36.55 | influx^^ | What would that bus get to the gallon? |
| 01:36.58 | macnewbold | actually, not totally kidding... I found one for $3000 that runs great |
| 01:37.03 | macnewbold | don't know the mpg yet... |
| 01:37.12 | macnewbold | but it could come out of the advertising budget I bet |
| 01:37.25 | macnewbold | my partner mark actually has a bro in law that does car/van/bus wraps :) |
| 01:37.26 | mindjuju | influx^^ prolly not too bad, they run diesel, AFAIK |
| 01:37.32 | macnewbold | yeo |
| 01:37.33 | macnewbold | yep |
| 01:37.50 | mindjuju | now you just have to deck it out |
| 01:37.54 | mindjuju | some wifi for the bus |
| 01:37.55 | macnewbold | the guys were talking about it a lot today, maybe we'll end up doing it |
| 01:38.02 | macnewbold | yeah, wifi, ps2/xbox/wii or something |
| 01:38.06 | macnewbold | it would be pretty fun I think |
| 01:38.10 | mindjuju | lcd for the headrest |
| 01:38.11 | macnewbold | too bad I'm going to be down south |
| 01:38.21 | mindjuju | big bass for thumping music |
| 01:38.24 | macnewbold | totally |
| 01:38.28 | mindjuju | lifted with big wheels |
| 01:38.34 | mindjuju | jk |
| 01:38.36 | macnewbold | it would get _a lot_ of attention in a nice traffic jam |
| 01:38.53 | macnewbold | put some big bumpy 4x4 wheels on it and stuff, go offroading in the GreenMobile |
| 01:38.57 | macnewbold | or whatever we call it |
| 01:39.08 | mindjuju | that would be awesome! |
| 01:39.11 | macnewbold | even just taking it to lunch or a field-trip with the whole group would be totally fun |
| 01:39.25 | macnewbold | they said we should drive it to ComDex in Vegas or soemthing |
| 01:39.33 | macnewbold | that idea really has some merit I think |
| 01:39.53 | mindjuju | too cool, comdex sounds like fun, but i'm trying to go to web directions |
| 01:40.00 | macnewbold | yeah, that would be a ton of fun |
| 01:40.01 | mindjuju | or schmoocon |
| 01:40.15 | macnewbold | anyway, wifey's going to be calling any minute now if I don't get out the door |
| 01:40.19 | macnewbold | good to chat for a bit |
| 01:40.21 | mindjuju | k, good talkin' to ya |
| 01:40.28 | macnewbold | yeah, we'll have to do it again tomorrow |
| 01:41.07 | macnewbold | haha - wife just called |
| 01:41.12 | macnewbold | b52's rock |
| 01:41.15 | mindjuju | totally |
| 01:41.15 | macnewbold | :) |
| 01:41.38 | mindjuju | influx^^ do you listen to b52s ? |
| 01:57.38 | influx^^ | rarely |
| 01:57.43 | influx^^ | my friend does though, more often |
| 01:58.00 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 01:58.08 | mindjuju | i should give you some of this 80's dance music |
| 01:58.14 | mindjuju | it was never brewed any finer |
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| 02:08.25 | influx^^ | plztobeuploadingsomewhere |
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| 03:21.48 | mindjuju | the Haley Mills one, not the other |
| 04:37.10 | wps | I have an ugly join that I am doing (MySQL) |
| 04:37.33 | wps | I am getting the results that I want, but I a getting each multiple times |
| 04:37.48 | wps | if there are three rows that should be returned, I get nine (each three times) |
| 04:37.55 | orsonj | interesting |
| 04:38.08 | wps | if there are two rows that should be returned, I get four (each two times) |
| 04:38.09 | orsonj | what does the sql look like? |
| 04:38.27 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/HMi0Va26.html (21 lines of SQL) |
| 04:39.04 | wps | is there a way to change that so that I only get one of each? |
| 04:41.47 | orsonj | my first thought is to explicitly declare the join type, but I'm not too hot on joins |
| 04:42.06 | wps | perhaps that is the missing piece |
| 04:42.09 | wps | I'm not either |
| 04:42.11 | wps | :( |
| 04:47.51 | orsonj | wait, I think I may see something. |
| 04:48.12 | orsonj | wass.wass_wlib_id=wlin.wlin_wlib_id AND wlin.wlin_wlib_id = $webinar['wlib_id'] |
| 04:48.18 | orsonj | I think that might fix it. |
| 04:49.48 | wps | are you adding a fourth where condition? |
| 04:49.53 | wps | or changing one of the three? |
| 04:49.54 | orsonj | yes |
| 04:50.06 | wps | k… let me try that |
| 04:50.08 | orsonj | changing the third to a third and fourth |
| 04:51.15 | wps | while you were looking at that, I was reading a tutorial on left and right joins |
| 04:51.26 | wps | they include data that doesn't match your requirements… why would you ever want that? |
| 04:52.02 | mindjuju | list all clients, and note those that have books checked out |
| 04:52.17 | mindjuju | where you want a full list on one side and data that meets a criteria on the other |
| 04:52.30 | wps | hmm… interesting |
| 04:52.36 | wps | I don't think I've ever had a need for that |
| 04:52.40 | wps | bummer… your fourth didn't change anything… still returning duplicates |
| 04:53.12 | mindjuju | btw, popcorn with tapatio is the absolute best |
| 04:53.19 | wps | nasty! |
| 04:53.22 | wps | why did you have to type that? |
| 04:53.33 | wps | I bet you could answer this MySQL question, mindjuju |
| 04:53.59 | orsonj | mindjuju: do you add it do the oil before you dump the seeds in? (pan stovetop assumption) |
| 04:54.21 | mindjuju | nah, still at work doing some bug fixes and just got back from making micro pop |
| 04:57.53 | wps | hmm… I just noticed something |
| 04:58.00 | wps | my duplicates are exactly the same |
| 04:58.24 | wps | so my where must not be exactly right |
| 04:58.44 | mindjuju | yeah, that's where i'm focusing, everything else seems reasonable |
| 05:02.26 | orsonj | doh! network just borked on me. |
| 05:02.44 | orsonj | I think I told you wrong. change the second and third to the second and third I mentioned. |
| 05:03.09 | wps | what? |
| 05:03.27 | orsonj | wass.wass_waut_id=waut.waut_id and wass.wass_wlib_id=wlin.wlin_wlib_id AND wlin.wlin_wlib_id = $webinar['wlib_id'] |
| 05:03.34 | orsonj | that would be the entire where clause |
| 05:03.58 | orsonj | I explained my thoughts goofy before |
| 05:05.18 | orsonj | My logic is A=B,B=C doesn't behave the same as A=B,B=X,C=X |
| 05:05.36 | orsonj | I don't know for sure if it would work though. |
| 05:05.42 | wps | testing |
| 05:06.34 | wps | nope… still doubles |
| 05:06.40 | wps | this is the results I'm getting: |
| 05:07.25 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/aKDDjx90.html (8 lines of Plain Text) |
| 05:08.02 | wps | I should only be getting lines 1 and 4 |
| 05:08.15 | wps | or at least that's all I want :) |
| 05:09.00 | orsonj | makes sense now |
| 05:09.09 | wps | I thought that that would help |
| 05:09.19 | orsonj | I thought you were getting two identical lines |
| 05:09.40 | mindjuju | you're right orsonj |
| 05:10.00 | mindjuju | wlin_file shows 2 diff records |
| 05:10.18 | orsonj | I think the sql is working exactly the way it is supposed to. |
| 05:10.33 | mindjuju | just needs tighter criteria |
| 05:10.40 | wps | yeah |
| 05:11.02 | orsonj | I'd say there is a problem with the structure of the link table |
| 05:11.21 | wps | oh? |
| 05:11.46 | wps | would it be better to run two queries so it's not such a nasty join? |
| 05:12.08 | wps | join authers and assignments… and then get the links? |
| 05:13.19 | orsonj | tell me what the links are associated with. |
| 05:13.28 | mindjuju | well, before we do that, can't we just tighten the criteria on the wlin table? |
| 05:13.42 | mindjuju | where the variants exist |
| 05:13.50 | wps | I'm open to any suggestions… this is my weakest area |
| 05:14.13 | mindjuju | well, so you wanted record 1, and record 4, right? |
| 05:14.32 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.43 | wps | correct |
| 05:14.48 | wps | here, I'll show you the entire links table |
| 05:14.52 | orsonj | It looks like the associations between the links and everything else are too vague to be able to make a more specfic query |
| 05:15.10 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/p5wDm529.html (30 lines of Plain Text) |
| 05:15.14 | orsonj | (that said, I would need to see what is available, it might be there) |
| 05:15.35 | wps | let me know if you want to see any of the other tables |
| 05:17.03 | orsonj | wlin_auth is the author id correct? |
| 05:17.14 | wps | yes |
| 05:17.20 | wps | these are my tables: |
| 05:17.29 | wps | webinar, authors, assignments, links |
| 05:17.41 | wps | each webinar can have multiple authors and multiple links |
| 05:17.49 | wps | assignments matches authors to webinars |
| 05:18.06 | wps | oh… I probably need another table… |
| 05:18.11 | wps | one that matches links to webinars |
| 05:18.32 | wps | wait… no… nevermind |
| 05:18.36 | wps | each link can only have one author |
| 05:18.42 | wps | and I have a column for that |
| 05:18.43 | wps | that's good |
| 05:19.03 | orsonj | yes, associate by authors, not by webinars |
| 05:19.20 | wps | what I probably could/should change though is removing the webinar ID from the links table |
| 05:19.35 | wps | just associate links with authors |
| 05:19.50 | wps | and then the links will get associated with the webinars later when the author is associated with the webinar |
| 05:20.25 | wps | or at least don't match on that in my SQL |
| 05:20.46 | orsonj | so, wlin_wlib_id refers to the webinar? |
| 05:21.05 | wps | yes |
| 05:21.49 | mindjuju | this is weird, i didn't think you could do that, AFAIK you had to link all tables on a common element |
| 05:22.00 | mindjuju | though, for some reason, it's not throwing an error |
| 05:23.15 | wps | oooo… I'm getting warmer |
| 05:23.25 | wps | I got it down to just two rows returned |
| 05:23.33 | mindjuju | which 2? |
| 05:23.38 | wps | but am missing one piece of data |
| 05:23.51 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/UEMYQr48.html (6 lines of Plain Text) |
| 05:24.00 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/toofast.html (21 lines of SQL) |
| 05:24.13 | mindjuju | that went toofast |
| 05:24.19 | mindjuju | can you capture the URL and send again |
| 05:24.34 | orsonj | wass.wass_waut_id=waut.waut_id and wass.wass_wlib_id=wlin.wlin_wlib_id and waut.waut_id=wlin.wlin_auth and wlin.wlin_wlib_id=$webinar['wlib_id'] |
| 05:24.37 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/5NrKD883.html (21 lines of SQL) |
| 05:24.42 | orsonj | that's my current line of thinking |
| 05:25.20 | wps | in my latest two row returned, I am getting the two filenames I need, but the author data is the first guy both times |
| 05:25.28 | wps | I'll try that orsonj |
| 05:26.16 | wps | that returned the same: |
| 05:26.28 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/D7ZQye30.html (6 lines of Plain Text) |
| 05:26.44 | wps | wlin_name and wlin_file are what I want |
| 05:27.13 | wps | but waut_id, waut_title, waut_employer, waut_photo are the same guy on both |
| 05:27.33 | wps | (the second file should be pair with a different person) |
| 05:28.22 | orsonj | I think there is a problem with the data in the link table. the wlin_auth is the same for both files. I would think they have different numbers corresponding to each author |
| 05:28.52 | wps | oh snap! |
| 05:29.02 | wps | I think you're right |
| 05:29.04 | wps | sheesh |
| 05:29.20 | wps | yes! |
| 05:29.40 | wps | sheesh |
| 05:30.04 | wps | that was it |
| 05:30.09 | wps | how stupid |
| 05:30.13 | wps | that's frustrating |
| 05:30.24 | wps | it seems like you're always hunting (ie: wasting time on) the wrong thing |
| 05:30.28 | wps | thanks gentlmen |
| 05:30.58 | mindjuju | :) - i'm going to have to do research on why that 3 table join with only 2 tables linked didn't throw an error |
| 05:31.08 | orsonj | reminds me of something I said the other day: <+orsonj> heh, hey, it's broke. (fixes something) wait, it's still broke. (changes something else) |
| 05:31.11 | orsonj | Still Broke!!! (changes something again) looks again and realizes something was cached and the first fix worked. |
| 05:31.17 | mindjuju | without a point of reference, that table should have come up fubar |
| 05:32.05 | orsonj | I think when you don't give an association, it assumes everything is associated with everything else. hence the 2-2, 3-3 results |
| 05:32.05 | wps | ah… interesting… |
| 05:32.26 | wps | orsonj: mine worked when I passed in one webinar ID |
| 05:32.33 | wps | but then I tested it on another and got my pairs again |
| 05:32.43 | wps | so I used yours (with for where conditions) and it worked |
| 05:33.08 | orsonj | cool, glad that got straightened out. |
| 05:33.44 | orsonj | It was a nice change of thinking for myself. I like that kind of a puzzle. |
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| 14:27.02 | herlo | Utah_Dave: yup |
| 14:27.10 | herlo | Utah_Dave: I was just writing a post about it |
| 14:28.23 | Utah_Dave | cool |
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| 15:18.13 | macnewbold | it's still gaim |
| 15:18.25 | macnewbold | I can't get pidgin to install until I do my upgrade to xorg 7.23 |
| 15:18.27 | macnewbold | 7.2 |
| 15:18.42 | macnewbold | my ports collection was complaining about it, and I haven't had time to follow the steps yet |
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| 16:06.17 | mgeary | you know, this whole Internet thing is far too overdone |
| 16:06.30 | mgeary | i think we should use this as our new standard: http://www.allsmilesfamilydentistry.com/ |
| 16:06.49 | mgeary | i like the navigation in the lower left (click on page # 1 thru 12), no ugly page titles |
| 16:06.53 | mgeary | *lower right |
| 16:07.10 | utahcon | left on mine |
| 16:07.18 | mgeary | no, are you looking at the numbers? |
| 16:07.23 | mgeary | 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... |
| 16:07.26 | utahcon | oh |
| 16:07.27 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:07.30 | mgeary | that's niiiice |
| 16:07.47 | utahcon | I like page 5 |
| 16:07.53 | mgeary | i like 4 |
| 16:07.57 | mgeary | those boxes are awesome |
| 16:08.29 | utahcon | lol |
| 16:08.53 | utahcon | I wonder how much bandwidth I just used waiting for all those images to DL |
| 16:09.52 | mgeary | quality is worth the wait |
| 16:11.57 | utahcon | 101KB homepage alone |
| 16:12.55 | thebigdog | i like to wait when pages load |
| 16:13.20 | thebigdog | actually i like to just sit and smile |
| 16:14.32 | mgeary | well, that's the site for people like you, people who like to smile |
| 16:15.33 | utahcon | 106 for page 4 |
| 16:15.44 | utahcon | they have so many white space images |
| 16:15.49 | utahcon | *shakes his head* |
| 16:16.27 | PoeticIntensity | I prefer standing and frowning. |
| 16:16.29 | utahcon | I like to horde my bits |
| 16:16.29 | mgeary | ~woodshed PoeticIntensity |
| 16:16.35 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:17.02 | utahcon | I like to save my bits for legally downloaded musics... |
| 16:17.04 | utahcon | :d |
| 16:17.51 | orsonj | looks rather pixelated to me |
| 16:18.07 | mgeary | jbot: woodshed $1 is <action> grabs $1 by the ear and drags him, kicking, to the woodshed to whack the living daylights out of him with a willow switch |
| 16:18.07 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 16:18.10 | mgeary | ~woodshed PoeticIntensity |
| 16:18.11 | jbot | ACTION grabs PoeticIntensity by the ear and drags him, kicking, to the woodshed to whack the living daylights out of him with a willow switch |
| 16:18.26 | utahcon | ouch |
| 16:18.41 | PoeticIntensity | I had a willow tree in our front yard growin' up. |
| 16:18.55 | mgeary | bet your momma liked that |
| 16:19.09 | mgeary | "i've had it, PoeticIntensity, go cut me a switch off of yonder willow tree!" |
| 16:19.43 | utahcon | my parents used a wooden paddle... |
| 16:19.48 | thebigdog | i had a friend that got beat all the time with one...he should have learned his lesson |
| 16:19.48 | utahcon | they still have it |
| 16:19.55 | mgeary | mine used a wire coathanger |
| 16:20.01 | mgeary | ouch |
| 16:20.19 | PoeticIntensity | ow... |
| 16:20.52 | PoeticIntensity | my parents just had a 1x1 piece of wood about 3 feet long. |
| 16:21.01 | PoeticIntensity | called 'The Stick' |
| 16:21.12 | thebigdog | i use the timinator on mine now |
| 16:21.32 | thebigdog | ~rollcall |
| 16:29.16 | cycokilr | hey guys, czech out this helpdesk ticket that came in this morning.. |
| 16:29.18 | cycokilr | My Internet shuts down when I move the window from one monitor to the other. This happens off and on, but has been happening more frequently the past couple of days. It just happened twice this morning. If you guys could help, I would appreciate it. |
| 16:29.29 | cycokilr | FYI: everyone here has two monitors on their workstation. |
| 16:30.08 | cycokilr | it's not for me.. one of our passengers man.. |
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| 16:30.11 | utahcon | I was wondering why the internet was shutting down... damn your user |
| 16:30.37 | cycokilr | i'm still wondering if he was serious.. i wasn't here when the ticket came in.. |
| 16:31.53 | thebigdog | cycokilr, where do you work again? |
| 16:32.01 | cycokilr | Interbank FX |
| 16:32.04 | cycokilr | interbankfx.com |
| 16:32.20 | thebigdog | ok |
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| 16:46.51 | cycokilr | nein |
| 16:46.57 | mgeary | 'course you're missing the "legs" |
| 16:47.01 | cycokilr | jesh |
| 16:47.03 | mgeary | but maybe half-a-hero |
| 16:47.56 | timinator | yes.... |
| 16:48.09 | timinator | :) |
| 16:49.21 | timinator | hey guys.... I |
| 16:49.31 | timinator | I've been writing a blog post for a bit |
| 16:49.39 | timinator | finished it late last night |
| 16:49.44 | timinator | http://ithinkiknowitall.com/2007/10/apple/apple-itunes-record-label/ |
| 16:51.46 | _psychic_ | you might consider cutting down on the images a bit, 'specially since your layout is thin already |
| 16:52.17 | timinator | ya.... I got finished and thought it looked like a boring book..... so I added pics |
| 16:52.19 | timinator | :) |
| 16:52.24 | _psychic_ | timinator: and I think what you've outlined is probably close to what is happening |
| 16:52.45 | timinator | I'm planning on redoing the layout.... just used a public template for starters |
| 16:53.21 | timinator | I've been saying it since their name change this past spring.... :) |
| 16:54.15 | timinator | wanted to get it documented |
| 16:54.17 | timinator | :) |
| 16:58.11 | timinator | k, removed the neon dollar sign.... refresh |
| 16:58.28 | timinator | you think that's enough? |
| 16:58.44 | timinator | it looked really long/boring w/o any pics |
| 17:00.56 | PoeticIntensity | better. |
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| 17:03.50 | timinator | you think it could loose another? |
| 17:06.10 | PoeticIntensity | I'd change the music symbol and the guitar pic out for a generic pic of CDs. |
| 17:06.25 | timinator | good idea PI |
| 17:06.38 | timinator | I've just removed the last pic though.... see what you think |
| 17:06.46 | PoeticIntensity | I generally only put pics in my blog if they're quite relevant to the text, so not as to distract. |
| 17:07.15 | PoeticIntensity | oh no... I'd put it back in. |
| 17:07.46 | PoeticIntensity | and get rid of the music symbol / guitar. |
| 17:08.00 | timinator | I really like the guitar :) |
| 17:08.40 | PoeticIntensity | t'is your blog, for sure. |
| 17:08.40 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:08.40 | timinator | it's a good looking guitar.... and it doesn't have a background |
| 17:08.40 | timinator | :) |
| 17:08.40 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt. |
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| 17:09.15 | PoeticIntensity | my only reason for suggesting it (I'm a musician, BTW, so I ain't got *nothing* against guitars) was.... |
| 17:09.35 | PoeticIntensity | The article isn't about guitars, nor does the word "guitar" even exist in the article. |
| 17:10.09 | PoeticIntensity | I'd suggest putting a box pic of Logic Studio, or a generic pack of CDs or a pic of a macintosh computer, or something else in there for more relevancy. |
| 17:10.30 | PoeticIntensity | that's all. |
| 17:24.23 | timinator | I totally hear ya |
| 17:25.49 | timinator | the other shots are for relevancy.... the guitar is there because it takes several paragraphs and pulls them together visually.... w/o it, the post looks much longer |
| 17:26.36 | timinator | when I was finished writing it, I looked at the post as if I were about to read it for the first time.... and it looked long and boring |
| 17:27.22 | timinator | I appreciate the suggestion... but I'd really like to keep the guitar |
| 17:27.24 | timinator | :) |
| 17:27.49 | timinator | I've rearranged the pics for the last time (I think) |
| 17:28.25 | timinator | do you think I should *add* another pic? CDs perhaps? |
| 17:30.47 | PoeticIntensity | I dig it. |
| 17:36.09 | brasto | macnewbold - so do you use freebsd GUI on a Mac, or do Macs also use ports? |
| 17:36.18 | wps | any ever had issues using the "true" parameter with strstr()? |
| 17:36.29 | wps | it works for me without it, but not with |
| 17:36.49 | wps | I need it with, so that it will return everything before the needle and not everything after |
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| 17:39.34 | wps | I guess I'll just use explode |
| 17:39.46 | macnewbold | ~asplode wps |
| 17:39.47 | jbot | wps head asplode, k thx |
| 17:47.18 | timinator | would anyone here digg the story if I put 'er on digg.com? |
| 17:47.34 | utahcon | what story? |
| 17:47.43 | timinator | http://ithinkiknowitall.com/2007/10/apple/apple-itunes-record-label/ |
| 17:47.49 | utahcon | oh... yeah I would |
| 17:49.52 | timinator | cool, thx.... I'll post a link |
| 17:51.46 | timinator | http://digg.com/apple/I_think_Apple_should_become_a_Record_Label |
| 17:52.09 | timinator | please digg it up |
| 17:52.11 | timinator | :) |
| 17:53.13 | timinator | BRB.... sick kids today :( |
| 17:54.30 | utahcon | dugg! |
| 17:55.07 | synic | buried! |
| 17:55.09 | synic | ok, maybe not. |
| 17:56.09 | utahcon | wtf!! |
| 17:56.26 | utahcon | the domain I want expired yesterday and it shows as expired... but I can't purchase it? |
| 17:56.42 | synic | isn't there a few days/months leeway? |
| 17:57.18 | utahcon | shouldnt be :d |
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| 17:59.30 | utahcon | http://icann.org/faq/#rgp |
| 17:59.36 | utahcon | there is and isn't a real reason |
| 18:00.37 | utahcon | arg... furthermore there is NOTHING on the site I want the domain to... frustrating |
| 18:03.19 | utahcon | 35 - 45 days for the register who they did the listing through... arg! |
| 18:27.12 | mgeary | utahcon: i've had success using godaddy's domain sniper |
| 18:27.27 | mgeary | it tries to grab it and notifies you if it does |
| 18:30.02 | mindjuju | tierra , you around? |
| 18:32.34 | brasto | ~stupify Utah_Dave |
| 18:32.34 | jbot | ACTION borrows Harry Potters wand, waves it in the air, and silently stupifies Utah_Dave. |
| 18:35.11 | mindjuju | but at the request of brasto, and plus i'm the one pointing the mirror |
| 18:35.39 | mindjuju | so you can choose to block it somehow, find ANOTHER mirror to deflect or be stupified |
| 18:39.09 | brasto | ~feature jbot |
| 18:39.10 | jbot | ACTION places jbot on display for all to see jbot's 'features'. |
| 18:43.28 | mindjuju | ugh, sometimes dealing with upper management is an exercise in futility |
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| 18:50.10 | brasto | ~humble mindjuju |
| 18:50.55 | brasto | I understand what you mean mindjuju |
| 18:51.56 | brasto | good managers should make sure people who work under them know that they value their opinions, even when they don't agree. |
| 18:54.44 | mindjuju | heh, well, in this case, non technical managers should learn to trust the experience of the more tech savvy. The situation was that I saw a problem, and proposed a solution after several minutes of thought. The upper manager decided off the cuff that my solution was wrong and decided to look for themselves. After about 30 minute conversation, we got to the exact point and the solution i had offered was revealed to be the only good |
| 18:54.49 | mindjuju | hence, i wasted 30 minutes |
| 18:55.24 | utahcon | that sucks |
| 18:55.32 | utahcon | hope you get paid by the hour :D |
| 18:55.43 | mindjuju | alas, no, i'm salary |
| 18:55.49 | utahcon | that really sucks then |
| 18:56.06 | _psychic_ | maybe he'll trust you more next time :( |
| 18:56.55 | utahcon | let's hope |
| 18:56.59 | mindjuju | _psychic_, i live and I hope for the day that is true... sadly we do this merry-go-round at least 2 or 3 times a month |
| 18:57.03 | mindjuju | i've been here 3yrs |
| 18:57.39 | utahcon | I won't say who I work for... but you should apply at one of my many staffing agencies :D |
| 18:58.13 | mindjuju | SOS |
| 18:58.17 | utahcon | lol |
| 18:58.21 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 18:58.24 | utahcon | ssshhh! |
| 18:58.31 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 18:58.49 | utahcon | I got an awesome coding job :D |
| 18:59.07 | mindjuju | you know, there is somebody else here from SOS |
| 18:59.12 | utahcon | it is really hard when you talk to people about where you work though when you work for a staffing agency. |
| 19:02.18 | utahcon | lol |
| 19:02.24 | utahcon | look at that lonnie is an op here |
| 19:03.49 | dataw0lf | SOS staffing? ehl oh ehl |
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| 19:16.58 | fungus | Yup that's me. |
| 19:17.14 | dataw0lf | pygmentize -S default -f html > syntax.css |
| 19:26.05 | dataw0lf | http://www.cerias.purdue.edu/weblogs/wp-content/uploads/php-top20-april-score.png |
| 19:26.21 | dataw0lf | NVD reported last year that 45% of ALL vulnerabilities reported were PHP based. |
| 19:26.38 | dataw0lf | there are the top PHP applications |
| 19:26.48 | dataw0lf | (rated by amount of vulns) |
| 19:26.50 | dataw0lf | Enjoy. |
| 19:27.26 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart dataw0lf |
| 19:27.27 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to dataw0lf, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 19:27.35 | utahcon | dataw0lf: interesting |
| 19:27.47 | mgeary | dataw0lf: thanks. this is just what i needed to convince a client not to have me use phpB |
| 19:27.50 | mgeary | phpBB |
| 19:27.55 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: thanks for deflecting that attack earlier! I was in a meeting |
| 19:28.21 | mindjuju | i got your back, bro |
| 19:28.31 | utahcon | <-- hates phpBB |
| 19:28.56 | utahcon | what is your preferred BB/forum software then mgeary? |
| 19:28.57 | dataw0lf | <-- hates PHP and the developers it spawns |
| 19:29.08 | influx^^ | what are you doing in here then? |
| 19:29.10 | dataw0lf | although I'd probably be out of a job if PHP didn't exist. |
| 19:29.15 | influx^^ | ah |
| 19:29.18 | utahcon | lol |
| 19:29.43 | mgeary | utahcon: custom solution |
| 19:30.03 | dataw0lf | there are two PHP based forums that have very low vuln reports: Vanilla and FUDForum |
| 19:30.20 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: do you still have a question for me? |
| 19:30.21 | mgeary | ~wiki Vanilla |
| 19:30.36 | dataw0lf | back to automating PHP web application penetration testing with Python. |
| 19:33.34 | mindjuju | dataw0lf - with the lions share of the market, its now wonder people are trying to take it down a notch |
| 19:33.50 | mindjuju | i'd be disgruntled too if i wished i could program in PHP but had to program in some other language |
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| 19:36.59 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Although the popularity of PHP certainly has it's place in those statistics, most of the reason why PHP has such a fundamental vulnerability problem isn't a direct problem with PHP in and of itself (although it IS indirect); it's merely because PHP developers are, generally, not well educated in security approaches to software development, let alone web development (and not to mention their other, voluminous proble |
| 19:37.24 | utahcon | too true |
| 19:38.01 | dataw0lf | I've worked with PHP developers as a developer myself, a system administrator, and a security application/network specialist. That's from prior experience (not to mention the multitude of PHP applications and PHP developer blog/article posts that prove my point) |
| 19:38.08 | _psychic_ | it's advantage is its disadvantage: it's easy to learn |
| 19:38.33 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: That's one of the problems. Also, that PHP encourages sloppy / bad development in a variety of ways. |
| 19:38.33 | mindjuju | so why hate the language when it's the programmers with the problem? |
| 19:38.46 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: the language itself? |
| 19:38.49 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I hate the language because it's the one that teaches them these problems. |
| 19:39.02 | _psychic_ | how so? |
| 19:39.08 | dataw0lf | the developers aren't stupid themselves (usually). |
| 19:39.50 | utahcon | no matter what language you use, you should use certain standards... |
| 19:39.51 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: Well, jeez, I could go on all day. Validation / parsing is spread everywhere, and inconsistent (a general problem of PHP; global namespacing and over 4000 functions, some of which do the exact same thing, and with no consistent naming convention) |
| 19:40.18 | utahcon | someone should write a book on proper coding (language independent) and then write addons for specific languages :D |
| 19:41.09 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: well there is that... :) |
| 19:41.39 | wps | what mysql field type would you recommend for several paragraphs of text? |
| 19:41.44 | wps | a blob? |
| 19:41.51 | beandog | yah |
| 19:41.59 | beandog | or tinyblob |
| 19:42.09 | _psychic_ | um or text? |
| 19:42.17 | beandog | well blob is text |
| 19:42.23 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: any language like that is going to obviously encourage programmers to follow in it's footsteps, thus you get spaghetti code and fairly unmaintainable / growable code, which in and of itself contributes to security issues |
| 19:42.24 | beandog | but with other featrues |
| 19:42.25 | beandog | features |
| 19:42.27 | _psychic_ | can you fulltext index it? |
| 19:42.27 | beandog | I forget which. |
| 19:42.30 | _psychic_ | ^ |
| 19:42.31 | beandog | I think so. |
| 19:42.39 | beandog | but you have to be using MyISAM |
| 19:42.40 | beandog | (boo) |
| 19:42.55 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I think that's probably true |
| 19:44.00 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I think you could recreate all those same issues in Python, unless you use something like Django |
| 19:44.01 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: plus, lack of lexical scoping. God I can't go on enough about that. |
| 19:44.28 | _psychic_ | the problem is that PHP has mounds of working knowledge and proven ability in the field |
| 19:44.29 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: yea, but, see, the thing is, Python is a language. Django is a web framework. PHP is some pseudo-web framework mess. |
| 19:44.39 | _psychic_ | so given it's retardness |
| 19:44.41 | _psychic_ | that's what I stick with |
| 19:44.49 | _psychic_ | Ruby and Python just don't have that yet |
| 19:45.03 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: sure it does. and that's why I have mounds of stuff to do at all times breaking your guys' stuff and getting paid for it. |
| 19:45.13 | _psychic_ | not my stuff ;) |
| 19:45.21 | dataw0lf | Python doesn't have working knowledge and proven ability in the field? |
| 19:45.29 | _psychic_ | not like PHP does. |
| 19:45.33 | _psychic_ | that takes a few years. |
| 19:45.34 | dataw0lf | Django is slowly taking over every news organization's website. |
| 19:45.42 | dataw0lf | Google uses Python almost exclusively for it's web stuff. |
| 19:45.54 | dataw0lf | besides everything else Python has been proven to work for. |
| 19:46.00 | dataw0lf | and Python has been around a lot longer than PHP. |
| 19:46.11 | _psychic_ | on the web? |
| 19:46.29 | utahcon | I have wanted to learn python for a while |
| 19:46.36 | utahcon | I need to stop dating so I have freetime again |
| 19:46.47 | dataw0lf | I'm talking Python as a language, _psychic_. I'm not arguing that Python doesn't have the same availabilty as PHP on the web. |
| 19:47.00 | dataw0lf | err has* |
| 19:47.09 | _psychic_ | then we're agreed on that point |
| 19:47.15 | timinator | don't get married |
| 19:47.16 | timinator | :) |
| 19:47.24 | _psychic_ | which isn't to say I don't like what Python or Ruby has to offer |
| 19:47.26 | timinator | all freetime goes out the door |
| 19:47.32 | utahcon | married once... divorced for code :d |
| 19:47.40 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: Certainly. But Windows has the market share. Does that mean you prefer it over OS X? |
| 19:47.50 | dataw0lf | (I do, but that's beside the point, I'm just attacking your weak spot) |
| 19:48.07 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: it means I'm twice as careful in deploying it to a wide base under high stress |
| 19:48.35 | _psychic_ | so in a sense, I suppose I do. |
| 19:48.51 | _psychic_ | (whatever the hypothetical job it was supposed to do...) |
| 19:48.54 | dataw0lf | Well, I disagree, I'd worry much more deploying a PHP application (and PHP developers to run amuck in it) then a Django web application. |
| 19:49.12 | dataw0lf | and I'm almost positive that in nearly any situation, Django will scale better than PHP. |
| 19:49.45 | dataw0lf | (I'm not going to compare Python itself to PHP; that's like comparing a Starship Destroyer with the Wright's first plane) |
| 19:50.16 | utahcon | (s) |
| 19:50.33 | _psychic_ | I don't see how it can be *significantly* different than PHP under the hands of a qualified dev. |
| 19:50.44 | dataw0lf | it's not bias. I just can't imagine you being able to defend PHP as a language compared to Python as a language. |
| 19:51.06 | _psychic_ | I don't know enough about it, frankly. |
| 19:51.06 | wps | is there any way to have an integer field in an MySQL database retain leader zeros? or do I have to store the number in a char for that to happen? |
| 19:51.28 | dataw0lf | All I have to say is 'namespaces', and you lose. Along with list comprehensions, lexical scoping, metaclassing, docstrings, inflection, etc, |
| 19:51.29 | Utah_Dave | wps: I believe you can have it retain the zeros. |
| 19:51.55 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: well I've developed in PHP professionally now for 3 or 4 years... and Python for about 7, so I think I have a fairly firm grasp on how different they really are. |
| 19:51.55 | Utah_Dave | I use PHP for web stuff, and python for everything else. |
| 19:52.29 | dataw0lf | well, I've known Python for like 10 years, but haven't worked professionally with it since 2000. |
| 19:52.31 | Utah_Dave | I just love PHP with Codeitgniter |
| 19:52.38 | dataw0lf | CodeIgniter is pretty nifty. |
| 19:52.44 | Utah_Dave | s/Codeitgniter/Codeigniter |
| 19:52.49 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: how many of those constructs are necessary to write a good web application, though? |
| 19:52.51 | dataw0lf | it's definitely the right(tm) way to do things if you're forced to use PHP. |
| 19:53.16 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: I'm not saying you can't write something _good_ with PHP. I'm just saying it's quite a bit harder. |
| 19:53.53 | dataw0lf | and that anyone that tries to sell PHP as a language rather than a rather bloated pseudo-framework probably hasn't developed in many other languages and/or doesn't have a good grasp of language semantics and theory. |
| 19:54.08 | dataw0lf | now, there are GOOD things about PHP, especially 5. |
| 19:54.13 | dataw0lf | I really like SimpleXML |
| 19:54.20 | _psychic_ | I don't think you'll get any arguments there |
| 19:54.25 | dataw0lf | method chaining always sells me. |
| 19:54.29 | _psychic_ | I don't think many devs really hold on to the language itself |
| 19:54.41 | _psychic_ | it's mostly a VHS/Betamax or MySQL/postgres argument. |
| 19:55.03 | dataw0lf | well, Django versus PHP is that kind of argument. |
| 19:55.05 | dataw0lf | not Python versus PHP. |
| 19:55.23 | _psychic_ | I'm mostly talking web development, so yeah. |
| 19:56.10 | dataw0lf | seriously, if PHP 6 gets namespacing and lexical scoping (not likely lexical scoping, but we can wish), and cleans up their global namespace, I'll stop complaining about it. |
| 19:56.29 | _psychic_ | I heard namespaces were getting back-ported to 5 |
| 19:57.34 | wps | it looks like decimal is what I want |
| 19:58.22 | _psychic_ | http://blog.agoraproduction.com/index.php?/archives/51-Namespaces-has-PHP-5.3-Or-the-other-way-around.html |
| 19:59.39 | wps | actually, I'm going to use a varchar… since it's just a file name and I'll never be doing math on it |
| 20:00.28 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I'll have to check out Django |
| 20:00.43 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: wow, that's interesting. I wonder if they'll restructure their global namespace to take advantage of builtin namespaces in 6. |
| 20:01.02 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: learn Python first (http://www.diveintopython.org/) |
| 20:01.14 | influx^^ | ... |
| 20:01.22 | influx^^ | should I learn Python first, then? I'm not too far in PHP. |
| 20:01.44 | dataw0lf | influx^^: I would strongly suggest it. |
| 20:01.44 | wps | fortran, baby |
| 20:02.02 | dataw0lf | influx^^: It's easy to learn and you'll learn good programming practices along the way. |
| 20:02.08 | timinator | TY |
| 20:02.09 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I've messed with Django and TurboGears. I just find them a pain to use |
| 20:02.09 | influx^^ | Hmm. |
| 20:02.18 | influx^^ | Can I have Python work with MySQL? |
| 20:02.28 | influx^^ | I'd rather not have to install a different DB just yet. |
| 20:02.31 | PelaoFeliz | sweet! a language that teaches good practices! sign me up! |
| 20:02.31 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: really? I love Django. I haven't done much in TurboGears, but I have screwed around with Pylons quite a bit. |
| 20:02.35 | dataw0lf | influx^^: of course. |
| 20:02.46 | influx^^ | Hmm. |
| 20:02.56 | influx^^ | I'll finish this project and then install Pythrone. |
| 20:03.45 | dataw0lf | influx^^: http://www.byteofpython.info then. diveintopython.org is more for experienced programmers, byteofpython is for programming newbies. |
| 20:03.57 | influx^^ | ko |
| 20:04.30 | influx^^ | Is Python gaining in the webosphere? |
| 20:04.37 | dataw0lf | Quite a bit. |
| 20:04.50 | influx^^ | cool. |
| 20:04.54 | influx^^ | Good, good. |
| 20:05.20 | dataw0lf | I really have a suspicion that Google has Guido doing something client-based with the Python VM |
| 20:05.37 | *** part/#uphpu PelaoFeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 20:06.02 | brasto | what's a good linux command to echo the number of processors on the system |
| 20:06.10 | influx^^ | VM? |
| 20:06.30 | brasto | no, not a virtual machine. |
| 20:06.37 | brasto | a physical machine |
| 20:06.39 | influx^^ | VeryMoo |
| 20:06.43 | influx^^ | (tm) |
| 20:07.02 | dataw0lf | influx^^: yes, virtual machine |
| 20:07.09 | Utah_Dave | brasto: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:07.11 | dataw0lf | brasto: SMP kernel? |
| 20:07.12 | influx^^ | heh |
| 20:08.15 | dataw0lf | if it's not an SMP kernel, brasto, use grep cpu /proc/stat |
| 20:08.18 | brasto | Utah_Dave - I tried that, but it does not seem to give the right info since another app says it has 2 processors, and cpuinfo says: |
| 20:08.38 | brasto | cpu cores : 1 |
| 20:08.40 | dataw0lf | brasto: if it isn't an SMP kernel, it will only report one cpu in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:08.40 | brasto | and... |
| 20:08.46 | brasto | processor : 1 |
| 20:08.56 | dataw0lf | so, again, do a grep cpu /proc/stat |
| 20:09.10 | brasto | checking to see if it's an smp kernel |
| 20:09.10 | dataw0lf | and each separate processor will be listed as : cpu0, cpu1, etc |
| 20:09.30 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: can you pastebin a snippet of python code? |
| 20:09.38 | influx^^ | nm |
| 20:09.40 | dataw0lf | influx^^: http://stderr.ws/ has some |
| 20:09.43 | influx^^ | i'll just read thi...k |
| 20:09.47 | brasto | dataw0lf - that worked |
| 20:10.02 | _psychic_ | *-_-_-: ---< |
| 20:10.19 | dataw0lf | brasto: Indeed. |
| 20:11.00 | brasto | it appears to be an smp kernel, but cpuinfo was still inaccurate. |
| 20:11.00 | influx^^ | are terminal semi-colons not necessary? |
| 20:11.31 | brasto | influx^^: that depends |
| 20:11.35 | dataw0lf | influx^^: No. |
| 20:11.49 | brasto | if it's at the end of the code, the ?> will self-close the last statement |
| 20:11.51 | influx^^ | in python, sorry. |
| 20:12.02 | brasto | ah... |
| 20:13.39 | brasto | ah... Utah_Dave - the cpuinfo has the info after all... |
| 20:13.51 | brasto | it just reports each processor separately |
| 20:13.59 | Utah_Dave | right |
| 20:14.27 | brasto | and I only noticed the bottom section since it didn't go one screen at a time, and the processor info for one processor conveniently fit on one screen... |
| 20:15.41 | brasto | I should have done grep processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:47.39 | herlo | mindjuju: I sent you a pm, did you get it? |
| 20:53.43 | dataw0lf | hey, I'm not going to complain if my boss hands me a beer. |
| 20:53.51 | dataw0lf | just going to get it out of the way so I can continue working. |
| 20:59.18 | mindjuju | except that the jerky seems to be in an antistatic bag |
| 21:00.35 | mindjuju | would it be funny if we had a Top 20 signs you've transcended from Geek, where one of them could be, you wrap your kids sandwich in left over antistatic bags |
| 21:05.45 | *** join/#uphpu nAmir36 (i=Aviv@gateway/tor/x-fd4561afd9f98fcc) |
| 21:10.06 | mindjuju | hey, thebigdog you around? |
| 21:10.28 | herlo | mindjuju: you should put that on qdb |
| 21:10.41 | mindjuju | qdb ? |
| 21:10.46 | herlo | quote database |
| 21:10.57 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i am now |
| 21:11.17 | herlo | mindjuju: http://bash.org/?813975 |
| 21:11.20 | herlo | as an example |
| 21:11.22 | influx^^ | hej guyz |
| 21:12.13 | thebigdog | whatz up mindjuju ? |
| 21:12.23 | mindjuju | thebigdog, if i have HTML and xml mixed on the same page, and I want to see the xml with all its <node> goodness, isnt' there a CSS for xml that will show it? |
| 21:12.44 | thebigdog | not really |
| 21:12.51 | mindjuju | i'm googling and can't seem to find ... oh, that why |
| 21:13.00 | thebigdog | you could write an xslt transform of the file to show it |
| 21:13.03 | thebigdog | using css |
| 21:13.21 | mindjuju | oh, that's it. xslt that's like css for xml right? |
| 21:13.43 | _psychic_ | xslt turns xml into other stuff |
| 21:13.51 | thebigdog | _psychic_ is right |
| 21:14.07 | mindjuju | k, i think that's enough of a push in the direction i need, can google from here |
| 21:15.45 | mindjuju | i've prolly overthought this, i could get node goodness by just dumping it into a textarea |
| 21:17.50 | thebigdog | are you doing this in php? |
| 21:17.50 | _psychic_ | <pre> </pre> |
| 21:17.54 | _psychic_ | or htmlentities() |
| 21:20.04 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: does Django have some sort of schema migration tool? |
| 21:21.32 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: it's been branched right now, but when Django hits 1.0 they're going to include it. |
| 21:22.19 | _psychic_ | hm |
| 21:22.29 | _psychic_ | do you always have to define model attributes? |
| 21:25.11 | dataw0lf | Nope. |
| 21:26.16 | jsmith | What good is a (fashion) model without (good) attributes? |
| 21:27.34 | dataw0lf | good point! |
| 21:28.10 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I can't see where it would introspect that rather than having someone define it |
| 21:30.12 | dataw0lf | well it's pretty easy to grab pre-existing tables and insert them into a namespace with Python. |
| 21:32.43 | _psychic_ | does it do that automatically? |
| 21:33.13 | dataw0lf | No. |
| 21:33.54 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: are models usually all kept in the same file? |
| 21:34.39 | dataw0lf | only per-app |
| 21:35.06 | _psychic_ | so all an applications models are in the same file, then |
| 21:35.13 | _psychic_ | are they not usually very fat? |
| 21:35.22 | dataw0lf | well, an app isn't an 'application' in Django |
| 21:35.30 | dataw0lf | you have projects, which are a specific site |
| 21:35.39 | dataw0lf | an app is an operation on a site |
| 21:35.40 | dataw0lf | say, a blog |
| 21:36.21 | dataw0lf | and, generally, model class definitions are pretty small in Django. |
| 21:41.01 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 21:42.53 | orsonj | timinator: re: your blog post. I think the guitar is very appropriate. (people go in their basement/garage heavily implies an electric guitar) |
| 21:47.33 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net) |
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| 21:56.38 | unum | I have another sql question: I have two tables with a one to many relationship. but sometimes it's only a one to one relaitionship. I want to select all of the items which have a one to one relationship with the other table |
| 22:06.48 | timinator | TY orsonj |
| 22:07.16 | mindjuju | timinator, i sitll have that blog entry, and starting to read it now |
| 22:07.23 | mindjuju | sorry took so long to get to it, just got swamped |
| 22:07.43 | timinator | read it online... I put a couple more hours into it last night and posted |
| 22:07.54 | timinator | http://digg.com/apple/I_think_Apple_should_become_a_Record_Label |
| 22:08.11 | timinator | please digg it if you like it |
| 22:09.36 | mindjuju | diggity dugg |
| 22:09.51 | timinator | TY |
| 22:09.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:10.22 | mindjuju | can't believe it, my director told me to bring in a 40g drive and in return gave me a 120g |
| 22:10.24 | mindjuju | what a deal! |
| 22:10.39 | timinator | how does an opinion blog standup against "Startup Schwag Girl of the Month" |
| 22:10.40 | wps | does he have any more? |
| 22:12.33 | mindjuju | heh, just that one, otherwise i would have cashed in more |
| 22:13.01 | mindjuju | oh hey, that reminds me. |
| 22:13.18 | brasto | is this the same director that you wasted 30 minutes with mindjuju? |
| 22:13.28 | mindjuju | nope, different |
| 22:14.29 | mindjuju | thebigdog or any other SQL gurus , how can you have a 3 table join in mySQL and only show the relation between 2 tables and not generate an error? the third table has no point of reference as related to the first 2 |
| 22:15.03 | thebigdog | what is you query |
| 22:15.10 | thebigdog | not following what you are trying to do |
| 22:15.50 | mindjuju | http://rafb.net/p/HMi0Va26.html |
| 22:16.22 | mindjuju | see in the where clause, only 2 of the 3 tables is the relationship defined, the third table it isn't defined |
| 22:16.24 | orsonj | still trying to figure that out are ya? |
| 22:16.26 | mindjuju | why didn't that throw an error? |
| 22:16.45 | mindjuju | well, i saw that your resolution added the relationship to the third table |
| 22:16.55 | mindjuju | i'm just curious why mySQL ddin't blow up |
| 22:16.59 | orsonj | ah |
| 22:16.59 | mindjuju | or say something |
| 22:17.14 | thebigdog | cause it will grab the data form that table |
| 22:17.45 | thebigdog | it looks like that is a valid query |
| 22:17.57 | mindjuju | yeah, it worked, but had a couple of probs |
| 22:18.10 | mindjuju | i thought all tables had to have a declared relationship |
| 22:18.24 | mindjuju | is there an advantage to not declaring? |
| 22:19.31 | mindjuju | well, don't worry on it too long, just wondering if you knew off hand |
| 22:20.19 | orsonj | a simpler question would be why would "select table1.fielda, table2.fieldb where table1.fielda = 1 and table2.fieldb = 2" not give an error for not stating a relationship |
| 22:20.45 | orsonj | correct? |
| 22:20.47 | jsmith-away | orsonj: You don't *have* to join the two tables together.... |
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| 22:22.16 | orsonj | What does it do when you don't join them? |
| 22:22.52 | unum | hey I asked my question first :) |
| 22:23.14 | orsonj | mine was more fun |
| 22:23.29 | unum | oic |
| 22:24.37 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 22:24.38 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 22:24.58 | timinator | ~flip back to thebigdog |
| 22:24.58 | jbot | ACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 22:26.09 | thebigdog | orsonj, that is a correct query |
| 22:26.21 | thebigdog | you dont have to use a relation in your query or where clause |
| 22:26.32 | mindjuju | curious |
| 22:26.33 | orsonj | I understand it is correct, but I don't know what it does. |
| 22:27.00 | thebigdog | cause that is a cartesian type of query |
| 22:27.14 | orsonj | unum: I'm not aware of a way to do that |
| 22:27.32 | thebigdog | unum, what is your question? |
| 22:27.33 | mindjuju | cartesian, isn't that a way to deliver babies? |
| 22:27.40 | mindjuju | jk |
| 22:28.29 | unum | thebigdog: if I have two tables with a one to many relationship and I want to select all of the items where there is a one to one |
| 22:28.35 | unum | I was trying to use count but, |
| 22:28.52 | unum | I think the fact that I have three tables is messing me up |
| 22:29.04 | thebigdog | what is your query? |
| 22:29.15 | thebigdog | mindjuju, did you get your answer? |
| 22:29.44 | mindjuju | yeah, its a cartesian join |
| 22:29.48 | mindjuju | i'm googling it now |
| 22:30.03 | unum | http://unum5.org/query.sql |
| 22:30.11 | thebigdog | your query that you provided is not a cartesian though |
| 22:30.40 | thebigdog | unum post that so where i can read it...i hate 1 liners |
| 22:31.22 | mindjuju | well the third was joined cartesian style, wasn't it? |
| 22:31.30 | unum | let me find a better example |
| 22:31.54 | thebigdog | mindjuju no |
| 22:32.03 | thebigdog | unum kk |
| 22:34.10 | thebigdog | mindjuju you are just doing a query on the items |
| 22:34.36 | orsonj | mindjuju: if you find a good explanation of cartesian, post the link. I haven't found a good one yet. |
| 22:35.02 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_product |
| 22:35.09 | unum | thebigdog: take a look now |
| 22:35.37 | thebigdog | unum, is that mysql db? |
| 22:35.38 | bradym | "A Cartesian join is when you join every row of one table to every row of another table. |
| 22:35.38 | bradym | You can also get one by joining every row of a table to every row of itself." - http://www.fluffycat.com/SQL/Cartesian-Joins/ |
| 22:35.47 | unum | thebigdog: no it's postgresql |
| 22:35.53 | thebigdog | k |
| 22:36.22 | mindjuju | bradym, that's the page i was looking at, but suddenly felt self conscious of quoting a page called fluffycat |
| 22:36.37 | bradym | lol |
| 22:37.04 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:37.26 | mindjuju | ~APB tierra |
| 22:37.26 | jbot | ACTION hires Leland to rough up tierra |
| 22:37.29 | unum | I get the same count for dates and timezones |
| 22:37.30 | unum | should I be doing a different type of join? |
| 22:38.26 | thebigdog | unum what data do you want back |
| 22:38.28 | orsonj | wps: Thinking about your problem last night, a left join would have shown that the one author didn't have any links, while the other had two. |
| 22:39.00 | mgeary | hey, i've got a MySQL 5.1 with no shell access, and i need to install a stored procedure. Furthermore, the mysqli extension is *not* installed. Anyone know of a way to get the sproc installed? |
| 22:39.06 | unum | thebigdog: I want the index of all items that have one timezone and atleast one date in that date range |
| 22:39.35 | thebigdog | k let me get you a link unum |
| 22:39.43 | mindjuju | mgeary, in mySQL you have to install stored procedures? |
| 22:39.53 | mgeary | well, you have to create it |
| 22:39.59 | mindjuju | in ms sql, they run like a normal query, get compiled and the they get called |
| 22:40.00 | mgeary | load it in |
| 22:40.08 | mindjuju | curious |
| 22:40.44 | thebigdog | unum check out the keyword overlaps with pgsql |
| 22:40.48 | thebigdog | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/functions-datetime.html |
| 22:40.52 | thebigdog | that will help with the dates |
| 22:41.16 | mindjuju | mgeary, i think mysql may also allow you to do it the way with ms sql http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-storedprocedures.html |
| 22:41.20 | brasto | mgeary, you can run sql directly with phpmyadmin |
| 22:41.30 | mgeary | brasto: pma doesn't support sprocs |
| 22:41.32 | mindjuju | that red text is the similar to what you use in ms sql |
| 22:41.35 | mindjuju | ah |
| 22:41.37 | brasto | sprocs? |
| 22:41.40 | brasto | ~sprocs |
| 22:41.43 | thebigdog | unum your having line needs work |
| 22:41.47 | mgeary | Stored PROCedures |
| 22:42.09 | brasto | ah, mgeary, you can still send the stored procedure as a sql statement can't you? |
| 22:42.19 | brasto | it seems I've done that for triggers... |
| 22:42.25 | mgeary | don't think so |
| 22:42.31 | mgeary | could be wrong |
| 22:42.55 | brasto | I have a stored procedure in a query that works - it's saved as a pma 'bookmark'. |
| 22:43.02 | unum | thebigdog: it was supposed to be count(timezone_index) and it is now. is there another problem? |
| 22:43.25 | thebigdog | use a where clause and overlaps on the date range |
| 22:43.30 | thebigdog | that will help out tons |
| 22:43.59 | mgeary | yeah, PMA chokes on complex sprocs |
| 22:44.09 | mgeary | it can't deal with changing the delimiter |
| 22:44.13 | mgeary | or so it appears |
| 22:44.19 | unum | I don't know how to do that |
| 22:47.52 | thebigdog | unum how are you wanting the date range? |
| 22:47.58 | thebigdog | what criteria are you checking |
| 22:48.53 | unum | I want to know every index that is associated in the dates table with at least one date in a one week range |
| 22:49.06 | unum | but I only want each index listed once |
| 22:49.08 | mindjuju | mgeary, sadly i'm not seeing a lot of info on phpmyadmin and working with sprocs |
| 22:49.12 | mgeary | no |
| 22:49.18 | mgeary | but i've gotten a RDC connection in |
| 22:49.20 | mgeary | so i'm good |
| 22:49.29 | mindjuju | coolio |
| 22:49.29 | mgeary | i'm at the msql> prompt on the machine |
| 22:49.36 | mgeary | *mysql> |
| 22:49.36 | mindjuju | rock on! |
| 22:50.38 | thebigdog | FROM studies NATURAL LEFT JOIN studies_dates NATURAL LEFT JOIN studies_timezones |
| 22:50.38 | thebigdog | GROUP BY study_index |
| 22:50.38 | thebigdog | HAVING MIN(studies_dates.date)<='2007-10-20' and MAX(studies_dates.date)>='2007-10-14' AND COUNT(timezone_index)=1 |
| 22:50.50 | thebigdog | man irc sucks |
| 22:51.52 | thebigdog | unum did you get that msg...respond back to it for me |
| 22:54.38 | tierra | 35 ... not a bad turnout for the channel today |
| 22:54.46 | mindjuju | tierra! |
| 22:54.54 | tierra | mindjuju: heh, sorry, busy day today |
| 22:54.58 | mindjuju | here i been looking for ya all day |
| 22:55.04 | mindjuju | no worries, i'll PM ya |
| 22:59.06 | thebigdog | so mindjuju what was the problem with your query...not getting the right data back |
| 22:59.48 | mindjuju | the query was giving duplicates, it was actually a question from wps, he got it solved, but i personally wondered about the query |
| 23:00.17 | thebigdog | oh |
| 23:10.07 | fungus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onLbeuEqNIE |
| 23:10.39 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:11.09 | mindjuju | fungus, i like this one better - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eim5jLlEPYI |
| 23:12.13 | fungus | that's good too. |
| 23:14.52 | *** join/#uphpu Ryu (n=prowebso@72.25.165.82) |
| 23:15.21 | Ryu | PoeticIntensity, you in? |
| 23:15.26 | PoeticIntensity | I ar. |
| 23:15.39 | Ryu | hey can you look over some php syntax fer me quick? |
| 23:15.43 | Ryu | just 1 line of code... |
| 23:15.46 | PoeticIntensity | usre. |
| 23:15.56 | PoeticIntensity | wow.... I'/m tirde. |
| 23:16.00 | Ryu | if (($iteminfo[dozprice1] > 0) and (($iteminfo[sprice] == "") or ($iteminfo[sprice] == 0))) |
| 23:16.07 | Ryu | me too... all that driving eh? |
| 23:16.21 | PoeticIntensity | er somethin'.... |
| 23:16.24 | Ryu | that code isn't working for me.. |
| 23:16.29 | mgeary | umm |
| 23:16.30 | PoeticIntensity | is it throwing an error? |
| 23:16.32 | mgeary | "and" |
| 23:16.36 | mgeary | how about && |
| 23:16.38 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:16.44 | mgeary | and || |
| 23:16.55 | mgeary | also, quote your array keys |
| 23:17.03 | mgeary | not *required*, but should be done |
| 23:17.11 | mgeary | $iteminfo["dozprice1"] |
| 23:17.34 | PoeticIntensity | did ya get that, Ryu ? |
| 23:17.48 | Ryu | yes sir PoeticIntensity |
| 23:17.51 | *** part/#uphpu cole_joplin (n=cjoplin@gw.helius.com) |
| 23:18.07 | Ryu | no error.. I think error reporting is turned off on our server so I just get a blank screen |
| 23:18.19 | dataw0lf | Hey, does anyone know how to modify IE's maximum URL length temporarily? |
| 23:18.28 | Ryu | quote my array keys? |
| 23:18.48 | dataw0lf | or a workaround? |
| 23:18.54 | Ryu | if (($iteminfo[dozprice1] > 0) && (($iteminfo[sprice] == "") or ($iteminfo[sprice] == 0))) |
| 23:19.00 | Ryu | like this? |
| 23:20.14 | PoeticIntensity | $iteminfo["dozprice1"] |
| 23:20.16 | PoeticIntensity | and such. |
| 23:20.47 | PoeticIntensity | change the "or" to "||" |
| 23:20.48 | PoeticIntensity | as well. |
| 23:20.49 | Ryu | if (($iteminfo["dozprice1"] > 0) && (($iteminfo["sprice"] == "") or ($iteminfo["sprice"] == 0))) |
| 23:21.23 | PoeticIntensity | I think you've got one extra parenthesis on the end there, too.. |
| 23:21.25 | PoeticIntensity | could be wrong. |
| 23:21.31 | Ryu | if (($iteminfo["dozprice1"] > 0) && (($iteminfo["sprice"] == "") || ($iteminfo["sprice"] == 0))) |
| 23:22.04 | Ryu | I think parenthsis are right.. I'll give this a whirl > thanks |
| 23:22.13 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 23:27.26 | influx^^ | can I access all of a form's data by giving the form itself a name? |
| 23:27.30 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, i dont think there is a work around |
| 23:27.47 | influx^^ | *chex* |
| 23:27.59 | mgeary | influx^^: yes |
| 23:28.07 | mgeary | document.formname.elements |
| 23:28.17 | mgeary | that will give you an array that you can go through |
| 23:28.29 | mgeary | also document.forms[form_offset].elements |
| 23:28.31 | influx^^ | errr |
| 23:28.37 | influx^^ | in php |
| 23:28.41 | *** join/#uphpu fungus_ (n=fungus@bromine.sosstaffing.com) |
| 23:28.41 | influx^^ | unless that works too |
| 23:28.48 | mgeary | oh |
| 23:28.58 | mgeary | no, just use $_POST or $_GET |
| 23:29.06 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you might get around it by doing a post rather than a get |
| 23:29.19 | thebigdog | and pass in the extra stuff as key/value pairs |
| 23:29.23 | mgeary | you could do: foreach($_POST as $fieldname=>$value){} |
| 23:29.24 | thebigdog | since that is not in the url |
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| 23:34.20 | Ryu | PoeticIntensity, *sigh* code ain't werkin'.... |
| 23:35.49 | PoeticIntensity | the best way to figure out what's going on is through the logs. |
| 23:36.20 | PoeticIntensity | it takes awhile for people who are used to Windows to realize that a computer is usually able to tell you what is wrong with it, without any major debugging... ;-) (half-way joking about the Windows thing) |
| 23:36.55 | PoeticIntensity | I think you can turn on display logging with "ini_set()" |
| 23:37.11 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 23:37.17 | PoeticIntensity | here's some code right here. :) |
| 23:37.24 | PoeticIntensity | ini_set("display_errors","On"); |
| 23:37.26 | PoeticIntensity | that should do it. |
| 23:38.47 | dataw0lf | I understand how the difference between GET and POST, gentlement |
| 23:39.00 | dataw0lf | I'm wondering how to specifically increase the url length in IE |
| 23:39.07 | dataw0lf | was wondering if there was a DOM value I could change or something |
| 23:39.12 | mgeary | dataw0lf: if you're talking to me, i was talking to influx^^ ;) |
| 23:39.30 | dataw0lf | oh, nevermind |
| 23:39.38 | mgeary | np, i should have prefaced it |
| 23:46.20 | mindjuju | fungus, you still around? |
| 23:46.29 | fungus | yup |
| 23:46.49 | mindjuju | we usually have Tek Systems sponsor, i wonder if we should open up and let SOS sponsor this one |
| 23:46.55 | mindjuju | i bet they would, don't you think? |
| 23:47.18 | fungus | Probably. |
| 23:47.44 | mindjuju | can you PM me a contact and i'll call them tomorrow |
| 23:47.59 | mindjuju | or should i just go through the website? |
| 23:48.08 | fungus | sure, it might take a while to find out who to contact first. |
| 23:49.18 | mindjuju | cool! there is an SOS in Houston |
| 23:49.26 | fungus | Yup, they are all over. |
| 23:49.45 | fungus | lol |
| 23:49.47 | mindjuju | well, i foundd this - http://www.sostechnical.com/contactus/ |
| 23:50.04 | mindjuju | i could prolly call SLC |
| 23:50.50 | fungus | that is for a specific branch. |
| 23:50.58 | *** join/#uphpu burnin (n=burnin@204-228-142-194.ip.xmission.com) |
| 23:51.11 | fungus | I know Robert Merrill is in tech recruiting, and he is active in groups. I could ask him |
| 23:51.26 | mindjuju | is Robert with SOS? |
| 23:51.29 | fungus | http://www.utahtechjobs.com/index.php/about-the-author/ |
| 23:51.31 | mindjuju | i rmemeber him from the list |
| 23:51.31 | fungus | yes |
| 23:52.21 | mindjuju | awesome, i'll send an email tonight and let him know i'll be calling tomorrow |
| 23:52.36 | fungus | Good idea. |
| 23:53.35 | influx^^ | I'm trying to make it so some entries that are being displayed along with checkboxes that signify they are to be deleted (if checked) get deleted after the form is submitted, but I haven't figured out how to do it by using the IDs of each entry. |
| 23:53.57 | influx^^ | In typing that out though, it seems like deleting by a different table field might be better somehow. |
| 23:54.35 | influx^^ | There are some numerical gaps between IDs of some of the entries, which is why I'm having a slow time figuring this out. |
| 23:54.38 | influx^^ | Any ideas? |
| 23:55.12 | influx^^ | hmm. |
| 23:57.48 | *** part/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@65-121-75-195.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 23:59.19 | bradym | influx^^: assuming id is a unique value for each record, it doesn't matter that there are numerical gaps |
| 23:59.47 | influx^^ | i think max() might help |
