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| 00:34.36 | orsonj | hello |
| 02:11.08 | undertakingyou | orsonj: hello |
| 02:13.21 | orsonj | hi, I'm goofing around trying to figure out how to do stuff with bash and netcat |
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| 02:37.34 | orsonj | hmmm. I need to fix the tags on that cd |
| 03:20.27 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:23.30 | orsonj | on reboot I think |
| 03:24.21 | orsonj | not really sure though |
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| 04:19.00 | wps | k |
| 04:21.10 | Black_Chaos | wps: its on reboot |
| 04:21.30 | wps | thanks |
| 04:21.56 | wps | does anyone know how to view a SVN repositories structure? |
| 04:24.24 | herlo | wps: yes |
| 04:24.53 | herlo | wps: you'll either need to be on the physical box or use something like trac to view it |
| 04:25.01 | wps | I'm on the box |
| 04:25.09 | herlo | svnadmin |
| 04:27.01 | herlo | wps: it looks like svn ls <repodir> will work, but you have to have it checked out first |
| 04:27.25 | wps | hmm |
| 04:27.31 | wps | I have multiple projects within a repository |
| 04:27.49 | wps | it seems like there should be a way to list the structure, so you can see what's in there |
| 04:28.12 | wps | so you know the name of the project (so you don't have to remember them all)… so you can check one out |
| 04:28.28 | wps | I have it set up like the first example on this page: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.4/svn.reposadmin.planning.html#svn.reposadmin.projects.chooselayout |
| 04:29.09 | Black_Chaos | are you using svnserve or apache as your server? |
| 04:29.36 | herlo | Black_Chaos: that's a good piont |
| 04:29.43 | herlo | s/io/oi/g |
| 04:30.27 | wps | I'm not sure I guess… I wasn't aware that you needed a "server" above and beyond the OS |
| 04:30.38 | herlo | you don't |
| 04:30.58 | herlo | wps: but you can use webdav to provide an easy way to read the filesystem using the http protocol |
| 04:31.00 | wps | it's running on RH |
| 04:31.11 | Black_Chaos | you don't. you can also access them through file:// |
| 04:31.34 | Black_Chaos | but if its going to be remote then you need a server |
| 04:31.37 | wps | you can't browse the file system in the repository though because it's in a database (it's not files and folders) |
| 04:31.40 | herlo | it also provides a simple interface online if yo ulike |
| 04:31.48 | herlo | but you're adding more complexity than you need |
| 04:32.41 | herlo | svn ls -lR should give you what yo uwant if you already have the repo checked out |
| 04:33.38 | wps | so I have to keep a note somewhere of each of the projects that I create in the repository so that I can remember exactly what I named it so that I can give that to people when they need to check them out? |
| 04:34.12 | Black_Chaos | wps: no |
| 04:34.16 | herlo | wps: that's why its good to use something like trac. It provides you a svn repo via http and it has a website dedicated to it... |
| 04:34.43 | wps | there's no way to do it via the terminal? |
| 04:34.44 | Black_Chaos | even with something like tortoiseSVN you can view it |
| 04:35.18 | Black_Chaos | well it depends on what your using to serve the repo. apache, svnserve or file |
| 04:35.30 | wps | file |
| 04:36.04 | Black_Chaos | svn ls file:///path/to/repo |
| 04:36.39 | Black_Chaos | that will show you all the folders under it |
| 04:36.39 | wps | bing |
| 04:36.46 | wps | that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 04:36.52 | wps | thank you! |
| 04:36.53 | Black_Chaos | then you can add the folder name to the end of the path |
| 04:36.55 | wps | I knew that there had to be a way |
| 04:37.02 | Black_Chaos | and get a list of whats in that folder |
| 04:37.16 | wps | thanks, Black_Chaos |
| 04:38.09 | Black_Chaos | if you have a gui enviroment its best to look into one of the available gui clients |
| 04:38.24 | wps | no, I'm not looking for a GUI |
| 04:38.27 | wps | I like the terminal |
| 04:38.50 | Black_Chaos | hey I love the terminal |
| 04:38.58 | herlo | me too |
| 04:39.08 | Black_Chaos | but svn access can be so much better with a gui |
| 04:39.56 | herlo | Black_Chaos: to a point |
| 04:40.03 | Black_Chaos | true |
| 04:40.16 | Black_Chaos | there are a few tasks I will do with the terminal |
| 04:40.36 | herlo | I will do most of my svn tasks with a terminal, the gui is too slow |
| 04:41.24 | Black_Chaos | ok as long as the repo is local the gui clients work fine |
| 04:41.43 | Black_Chaos | but yeah when you start using remote repos the gui can be paifully slow |
| 04:41.45 | herlo | ahh, the guis are overrated |
| 04:59.58 | wps | it is so hot in my office |
| 05:00.04 | wps | because of my computer |
| 05:00.06 | wps | :( |
| 05:00.32 | wps | I would like to put a thermometer in here and see how big the difference is from the rest of the house |
| 05:03.46 | herlo | wps: we have a similar problem at our place |
| 05:04.12 | wps | I sweat to death in the evenings working |
| 05:12.15 | herlo | wps: until about 8 or 9pm every night, we have to have the A/C on at full bore! |
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| 14:48.02 | thebigdog | there is nothing like fixing others code to make your day longer |
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| 14:59.13 | thebigdog | i dont mind fixing my stuff...cause i can identify the logic...others logic just sucks |
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| 15:03.40 | mgeary | right on |
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| 15:06.45 | mgeary | alright, folks. let's talk about database & query optimization for a bit. I'm getting *crappy* query results, and i'm trying to tune things for a query scenario |
| 15:07.12 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:07.22 | mgeary | i've got a "traffic" table that accumulates data from web usage. It stores a userid and a session key |
| 15:07.39 | thebigdog | didnt we already have this question |
| 15:07.44 | mgeary | nope. new one |
| 15:07.52 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:08.31 | mgeary | now, an after-the-fact requirement for a reports has been introduced: the client wants to know, for a given period of time, how many logins there were for a given group of users. Now, had we known this req at the start, we might have set up a dedicated table for it, but for now we're trying to solve it using our traffic table |
| 15:08.56 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:08.58 | mgeary | so, my query looks like this: |
| 15:09.01 | thebigdog | database? |
| 15:09.03 | mgeary | mysql |
| 15:09.11 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/21863/ |
| 15:09.14 | thebigdog | how are groups related? |
| 15:09.38 | mgeary | well, if you look at the query, what we do is store a "usertype-userid" combo in the traffic table as a userid |
| 15:09.47 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:09.54 | mgeary | so for a given group of users, we collect their userids and do an "IN()" |
| 15:09.57 | mgeary | make sense? |
| 15:10.01 | thebigdog | y |
| 15:10.28 | thebigdog | where do you see the bottleneck |
| 15:10.33 | mgeary | alright. so, the table has ~5.8 million rows. That query that you see there takes way too long |
| 15:10.45 | thebigdog | you have indexes on traffic.userid and dateHit right |
| 15:10.48 | mgeary | yep |
| 15:11.01 | mgeary | i even made an index on both columns |
| 15:11.08 | mgeary | which appears to have been a mistake |
| 15:11.26 | thebigdog | what does explain give you |
| 15:11.44 | mgeary | key: userid |
| 15:11.47 | mgeary | rows: 11323 |
| 15:11.55 | mgeary | extras: using where; using temporary; using filesort |
| 15:12.04 | mgeary | that query that i pasted takes 33 seconds |
| 15:12.28 | mgeary | of course, when i re-run it, its cached, so it takes .12 seconds |
| 15:12.38 | thebigdog | what version of the db you using |
| 15:12.52 | mgeary | 4.1.20 |
| 15:13.01 | mgeary | but i'll happily upgrade |
| 15:13.11 | mgeary | if there's an obvious performance diff |
| 15:13.16 | thebigdog | if you can that is alwasy a good thing |
| 15:13.29 | thebigdog | well version 5 is better than version 4 |
| 15:13.48 | mgeary | yeah, but on our dev machine, which is 5, we get similar results |
| 15:15.21 | mgeary | the further complication is that i've got a report that wants several of these queries at once |
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| 15:16.18 | PelaoFeliz | so since you're grouping by session, you'll need an index on that, as well... |
| 15:16.23 | mgeary | got one |
| 15:16.47 | PelaoFeliz | so you have a single index with all three columns: userid, dateHit, and session? |
| 15:16.51 | mgeary | actually, it appears that the gotcha may be the BETWEEN clause |
| 15:16.54 | mgeary | do, i don't |
| 15:16.58 | mgeary | NO, i don't |
| 15:17.13 | mgeary | i've got an index on each, and an index on dateHit + userid |
| 15:17.15 | PelaoFeliz | what happens if you create one? |
| 15:17.28 | dataw0lf | http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-071009google-story,1,2005284.story?ctrack=1&cset=true |
| 15:17.37 | PelaoFeliz | mysql will only use 1 index per table per query, so it's only using 1 of your indexes |
| 15:17.41 | dataw0lf | Man, conservatives are really scraping the bottom of the barrel |
| 15:17.46 | mgeary | PelaoFeliz: then i sit back and wait for 4+ hours for the index to be created |
| 15:17.47 | mgeary | :/ |
| 15:17.56 | PelaoFeliz | ah |
| 15:17.57 | mgeary | but i can try that tonight |
| 15:17.57 | PelaoFeliz | nice |
| 15:18.52 | PelaoFeliz | how fast does it return results without the group by? |
| 15:20.22 | mgeary | good question. one sec |
| 15:22.07 | mgeary | hrm. i'm being hamstrung by caching. any way to disable caching on a given query? |
| 15:23.16 | PelaoFeliz | dunno |
| 15:23.20 | PelaoFeliz | what's the EXPLAIN? |
| 15:23.23 | PelaoFeliz | that'll do |
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| 15:23.33 | PelaoFeliz | if you can show both with & without the GROUP BY... |
| 15:24.25 | mgeary | the only diff is the Extra col: |
| 15:24.39 | mgeary | w/o group by: Extra = "using where" |
| 15:24.49 | mgeary | w/group by Extra = "Using where; Using temporary; Using filesort" |
| 15:26.05 | thebigdog | mgeary, you can probably flush the cache |
| 15:26.14 | thebigdog | i think though that mysql can use more the 1 index |
| 15:26.38 | PelaoFeliz | mysql 4 doesn't on MyISAM tables |
| 15:26.58 | PelaoFeliz | what's the key, key_len, ref, and rows? |
| 15:27.09 | thebigdog | then i would move to mysql 5 which does |
| 15:27.21 | mgeary | key: userid, key_len: 20, ref: NULL, rows: 11324 |
| 15:29.00 | mgeary | here's what i'm thinking-- |
| 15:29.29 | PelaoFeliz | is the 'userid' key the one with both fields included? |
| 15:29.33 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:29.42 | PelaoFeliz | good deal |
| 15:29.44 | mgeary | right now, i have a varchar field (userid) which is a composite of a type (teacher, student, etc) and an id. if i broke that into 2 fields, i could JOIN on the userid field and use a WHERE on the type |
| 15:30.00 | mgeary | that might improve things... |
| 15:30.10 | mgeary | 'cause right now i have things like this: |
| 15:30.30 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/21866/ |
| 15:30.32 | PelaoFeliz | unless there are a lot of distinct types, that won't help your query speed much, since your index on it won't help much |
| 15:30.41 | mgeary | there's 3 types |
| 15:31.05 | PelaoFeliz | yeah, the cardinality on that will be low, and won't help your query much at all |
| 15:31.18 | mgeary | but the join would help, no? |
| 15:31.26 | mgeary | using a join, rather than a where |
| 15:31.53 | PelaoFeliz | not really -- your index is already getting only the user IDs that you've specified |
| 15:32.20 | PelaoFeliz | the thing that's taking so long is the 'using temporary; using filesort' |
| 15:32.30 | mgeary | that last dpaste query took 106 seconds |
| 15:32.34 | PelaoFeliz | which is caused by grouping by an unindexed column |
| 15:33.42 | PelaoFeliz | if the session column was indexed, it could do the sort using the index, and wouldn't have to to a temporary+filesort |
| 15:33.53 | mgeary | but it is indexed |
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| 15:34.10 | PelaoFeliz | not in the index that the query is using, though |
| 15:34.21 | mgeary | ah |
| 15:34.26 | PelaoFeliz | the query is using the 'userid' index, which doesn't include the session column |
| 15:34.38 | mgeary | true |
| 15:35.09 | PelaoFeliz | so that's the problem |
| 15:35.11 | mgeary | okay, i have a version of this DB in mysql 5. any clues on how to force th use of more than one index? |
| 15:46.28 | PelaoFeliz | nope |
| 15:46.29 | PelaoFeliz | sorry |
| 15:46.48 | PelaoFeliz | sometimes it will automatically use more than one, but I don't know how to force it to |
| 15:47.53 | mgeary | so if i add a grouped index that includes the session, are you thinking it should be session+userid? or session+userid+dateHit? |
| 15:49.17 | PelaoFeliz | userid+dateHit+session |
| 15:49.52 | PelaoFeliz | generally you want highest cardinality->lowest when creating indexes for best efficiency |
| 15:50.10 | PelaoFeliz | since you're only grouping on session, not filtering rows, it should be last |
| 15:51.22 | mgeary | now let me try to understand what you just said |
| 15:51.33 | mgeary | "generally you want highest cardinality->lowest when creating indexes for best efficiency" |
| 15:51.42 | mgeary | i'm looking at the cardinality of my indexes |
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| 16:00.16 | PelaoFeliz | mgeary: Sorry, were you asking a question? |
| 16:06.24 | mgeary | PelaoFeliz: nah, i'm okay |
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| 16:49.51 | PoeticIntensity | just got done reading the backlog...... |
| 16:50.05 | PoeticIntensity | does PGSQL have the same "use only one index" limit that MySQL does? |
| 16:59.06 | beandog | postgres has no limits |
| 16:59.15 | beandog | that is, I dunno. |
| 17:01.09 | beandog | has anyone ever seen Logan's Run? |
| 17:01.19 | beandog | That was about the weirdest movie Ive rented in a while. |
| 17:01.37 | beandog | I'm still waiting for Star Crash to come though. That one might win. |
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| 17:12.27 | PelaoFeliz | beandog: AFAIK, MySQL is the only popular RDBMS with the index limit |
| 17:17.01 | dataw0lf | someone let opapo know not run as root when joining, please. |
| 17:17.26 | mindjuju | sup all |
| 17:17.48 | tierra | especially from the school webserver :) |
| 17:18.02 | tierra | *school district |
| 17:18.42 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: jeepers, where were you yesterday? |
| 17:19.11 | mindjuju | yesterday, had some project stuff in the morning, an errand in the afternoon and xmission in the evening |
| 17:19.15 | mindjuju | BUT! |
| 17:19.25 | mindjuju | i'm pleased to say my backups are at 100% again! |
| 17:19.30 | dataw0lf | very cool |
| 17:19.38 | dataw0lf | I'm pleased to say I'm requesting a geek lunch for Friday |
| 17:19.42 | dataw0lf | since I shall be in SLC |
| 17:20.04 | mindjuju | what part of the SLC ? |
| 17:20.09 | dataw0lf | I'm flexible |
| 17:20.39 | mindjuju | i think its doable, day time or late evening? |
| 17:20.56 | dataw0lf | I'm flexible. |
| 17:22.27 | beandog | geek lunch in SLC? |
| 17:22.29 | beandog | poops. |
| 17:22.50 | mindjuju | how late you going to be in town? |
| 17:23.17 | PoeticIntensity | around lunch-time |
| 17:23.45 | mindjuju | k, well, don't get your hopes up to high, but ... and i'd have to talk to the wife, but... |
| 17:23.51 | mindjuju | what about a LAN party? |
| 17:23.51 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, mind if I ask how you know opapo_ is logging in as root? |
| 17:24.00 | mindjuju | cause it says when he logged in |
| 17:24.07 | PoeticIntensity | serious? |
| 17:24.10 | mindjuju | (11:05:21 AM) opapo_ [n=root@www.alpine.k12.ut.us] entered the room. |
| 17:24.15 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:24.16 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow. |
| 17:24.26 | mindjuju | dataw0lf -- how late you going to be in town? |
| 17:24.33 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, mindjuju |
| 17:24.33 | mindjuju | PI, do you LAN? |
| 17:24.41 | PoeticIntensity | why, yes I do! |
| 17:24.47 | mindjuju | comps or consoles? |
| 17:24.48 | PoeticIntensity | I host a quarterly LAN party at my house, in fact... |
| 17:24.49 | PoeticIntensity | comps. |
| 17:24.53 | PoeticIntensity | two games, mostly. |
| 17:24.58 | PoeticIntensity | Enemy Territory and UT2004 |
| 17:25.04 | PoeticIntensity | (Linux-compatible) |
| 17:25.08 | mindjuju | heard really good things about UT2004 |
| 17:25.12 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I'm getting in Thursday late at night, and I'll be in SLC until early afternoon Sunday. |
| 17:25.14 | PoeticIntensity | it's fun... |
| 17:25.23 | PoeticIntensity | we're also playing a game called "Nexuiz" now... (Opensource FPS) |
| 17:25.23 | tierra | a classic for sure |
| 17:25.24 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, what about LAN party? |
| 17:25.46 | dataw0lf | uhmmm, well, I'd need a workstation |
| 17:25.59 | PoeticIntensity | I could bring one for ya. |
| 17:26.00 | dataw0lf | and my girlfriend is coming with, I don't know how keen she'd be on for me geeking out for 4-5 hours at a LAN party |
| 17:26.10 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 17:26.14 | mindjuju | ah GF |
| 17:26.24 | timinator | GF-- |
| 17:26.34 | PoeticIntensity | GF at LAN-- |
| 17:26.46 | beandog | heh |
| 17:26.55 | beandog | GF making cookies at LAN++ |
| 17:27.12 | timinator | mmm cookies |
| 17:27.12 | mindjuju | <smackTack>The REAL reason dataw0lf is putting off LAN party is cause he's afraid of mindjuju Halo 2 skillz</smackTalk> |
| 17:27.31 | beandog | and spelling |
| 17:27.34 | beandog | smackTack? |
| 17:27.35 | beandog | :) |
| 17:27.38 | mindjuju | and spelling |
| 17:27.54 | mindjuju | it's ok dataw0lf, i would have gone easy on ya |
| 17:28.37 | mindjuju | k, so if no LAN, then lunch on Friday |
| 17:28.40 | mindjuju | PI, where you at? |
| 17:29.48 | beandog | hes in springville |
| 17:29.49 | PoeticIntensity | Springville. |
| 17:29.51 | beandog | where are you at juju? |
| 17:29.59 | mindjuju | Lehi, draper |
| 17:30.14 | mindjuju | live lehi work draper |
| 17:30.18 | mindjuju | it's a heck of a commute |
| 17:30.28 | beandog | heh |
| 17:30.48 | mindjuju | should we look to do something around the point of the mountain? |
| 17:30.59 | mindjuju | Lehi has Tepankayki (sp) |
| 17:31.05 | PoeticIntensity | yes |
| 17:31.11 | mindjuju | draper goodwood, applebees |
| 17:31.15 | PoeticIntensity | ack... that's like $30.00 a plate. |
| 17:31.22 | PoeticIntensity | Tepanyaki. |
| 17:31.23 | mindjuju | goodwood? nah, lunch is reasonable |
| 17:31.25 | beandog | what about arctic circle? |
| 17:31.29 | PoeticIntensity | there we go! |
| 17:31.31 | beandog | they have corndogs |
| 17:31.34 | beandog | and napkins |
| 17:31.34 | PoeticIntensity | buck fidy! |
| 17:31.43 | mindjuju | Sandy has India House |
| 17:32.30 | mindjuju | then there is Buca de bepo |
| 17:32.48 | PoeticIntensity | but would like to |
| 17:32.49 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:32.57 | herlo | mindjuju: you could do Zupas |
| 17:33.03 | mindjuju | yeah buca is awesome |
| 17:33.04 | PoeticIntensity | Zupas is good. |
| 17:33.13 | herlo | good soups, sandwiches, salads |
| 17:33.13 | mindjuju | gibba[w] ++ |
| 17:33.26 | mindjuju | for the recommendation of buca |
| 17:33.29 | herlo | ~Zupas++ |
| 17:33.39 | herlo | ~buca++ |
| 17:34.01 | PoeticIntensity | either would do nicely. |
| 17:34.11 | mindjuju | ~waitressAtBucaWithWhoGaveBadPhone-- |
| 17:34.41 | timinator | gave bad phone? that doesn't sound good. |
| 17:35.05 | mindjuju | yeah, when herlo though our waitress was hawt and we got her number, but it was a fake |
| 17:35.07 | dataw0lf | you guys just decide a place |
| 17:35.16 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:35.38 | timinator | 555-hawt |
| 17:35.52 | timinator | that's to my cell |
| 17:35.53 | timinator | :) |
| 17:36.00 | herlo | ~lart mindjuju |
| 17:36.00 | jbot | holds mindjuju to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 17:36.24 | mindjuju | k, gents -- let's look at choics |
| 17:36.24 | mindjuju | 1. Tepenyaki(sp) in Lehi |
| 17:36.24 | mindjuju | 2. Buca de Beppo in Murray (i think) |
| 17:36.24 | mindjuju | 3. write in |
| 17:36.28 | mindjuju | vote |
| 17:36.35 | herlo | ~Zupas++ |
| 17:36.40 | herlo | ~karma Zupas |
| 17:36.40 | jbot | zupas has karma of 2 |
| 17:36.41 | timinator | 3. Roosters in Ogden |
| 17:36.52 | timinator | :) |
| 17:36.57 | PoeticIntensity | ROOSTERS! |
| 17:37.01 | timinator | **gotta try** |
| 17:37.04 | PoeticIntensity | I have! |
| 17:37.05 | mindjuju | ~roosters |
| 17:37.09 | PoeticIntensity | best wings on the planet. |
| 17:37.16 | mindjuju | scantly clad womenz? |
| 17:37.22 | PoeticIntensity | nah. |
| 17:37.22 | timinator | not really |
| 17:37.25 | mindjuju | k |
| 17:37.27 | herlo | Hooters! |
| 17:37.30 | PoeticIntensity | kind of a "bar"-ish joint... |
| 17:37.31 | herlo | its in Midvale! |
| 17:37.32 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:37.46 | herlo | They have a killer Cuban Sandwich |
| 17:37.49 | PoeticIntensity | with a restaurant upstairs. |
| 17:37.50 | mindjuju | can't go to Hooters with a GF, just isn't kosher |
| 17:37.59 | timinator | killer salmon sandwich |
| 17:38.01 | herlo | though I've not actually eaten at the one in Midvale |
| 17:38.04 | herlo | mindjuju: what? |
| 17:38.10 | herlo | mindjuju: the Girls love it there |
| 17:38.15 | PoeticIntensity | Buca is a bit far for me. |
| 17:38.22 | mindjuju | yeah, the girls love to look at their waitresses |
| 17:38.23 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: so would Hooters then |
| 17:38.29 | herlo | mindjuju: exactly |
| 17:38.43 | PoeticIntensity | where's zupas? |
| 17:38.44 | herlo | mindjuju: actually, they have apparently good looking men at the bar |
| 17:38.49 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: draper/Provo |
| 17:38.55 | PoeticIntensity | draper is good. |
| 17:39.09 | PoeticIntensity | anything south of 72nd south is good. |
| 17:39.12 | mindjuju | i'm leaning towards tepenkayki |
| 17:39.12 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: Midvale is literally another 5 minutes on the freeway |
| 17:39.24 | timinator | as I thought |
| 17:39.25 | PoeticIntensity | what's the addy? |
| 17:39.27 | herlo | timinator: nope, you'll just get embarrased |
| 17:39.31 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: of? |
| 17:39.32 | mindjuju | addy of what? |
| 17:39.36 | PoeticIntensity | Buca |
| 17:39.41 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:39.41 | mindjuju | midvale i think |
| 17:39.41 | herlo | 7200 S 900 E |
| 17:39.46 | PoeticIntensity | well, then... |
| 17:39.48 | PoeticIntensity | that's good! |
| 17:39.52 | mindjuju | ok, buca? |
| 17:39.54 | herlo | right of I-215 and 900 E essentially |
| 17:40.03 | PoeticIntensity | k... I'm good with that. |
| 17:40.07 | herlo | and if he gets to go |
| 17:40.13 | mindjuju | this friday @ 1p? |
| 17:40.17 | mindjuju | is that ok for everybody |
| 17:40.19 | PoeticIntensity | yes |
| 17:40.26 | mindjuju | ~wake everybody |
| 17:40.27 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everybody and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 17:40.29 | herlo | and flies home early from Chicago so he can go |
| 17:42.26 | mindjuju | fungus , you want lunch at Buca on Friday? What about you thebigdog? wps, _psychic_ , beandog , brasto , eco , mgeary , orsonj , synic , tierra , timinator, Black_Chaos , cycokilr , gibba[w] , influx^^ , jnbek , josephscott , mikesmullin , nAmir36 , opapo_ , pelaofeliz , unum , xilch|w |
| 17:42.30 | beandog | cant do it |
| 17:42.31 | beandog | too far |
| 17:42.34 | mindjuju | i can carpoot from draper |
| 17:42.38 | mindjuju | carpool |
| 17:42.40 | beandog | carpoot? |
| 17:42.42 | wps | I work in Orem |
| 17:42.44 | fungus | sure, I'll go. |
| 17:42.47 | wps | wouldn't have time to get up there |
| 17:42.51 | wps | otherwise, I would |
| 17:42.57 | wps | I haven't seen most of you in quite a while |
| 17:42.57 | josephscott | where is Buca's? |
| 17:42.58 | brasto | where's Buca? |
| 17:43.04 | mindjuju | had sick child from 2a - 6a so not much sleep. |
| 17:43.04 | PoeticIntensity | wps, I'll take ya there. |
| 17:43.08 | PoeticIntensity | I can pick ya up on the way. |
| 17:43.16 | mindjuju | Buca is right of I-215 and 900 E essentially |
| 17:43.20 | wps | it's not the drive… it's the time |
| 17:43.24 | wps | I don't have 3 hours for lunch :) |
| 17:43.42 | PoeticIntensity | neither do I... But I'm gonna do it anyway to meet all these good gents. |
| 17:43.59 | mindjuju | k, So Buca @ right of I-215 and 900 E @ 1p |
| 17:44.00 | PoeticIntensity | lotsa people who aren't from around here. |
| 17:44.07 | PoeticIntensity | any way we can make it noon? |
| 17:44.08 | mindjuju | i'll post to maillist |
| 17:44.09 | PoeticIntensity | 12:00pm? |
| 17:44.17 | brasto | PoeticIntensity, is 'gents' short for gentiles or gentlemen? ;) |
| 17:44.19 | mindjuju | gents? 12? |
| 17:44.21 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:44.26 | PoeticIntensity | the latter, brasto |
| 17:44.27 | tierra | 12 works here |
| 17:44.28 | mindjuju | i'm cool either way |
| 17:44.36 | tierra | yeah, doesn't matter to me |
| 17:44.37 | brasto | I know, I was kidding |
| 17:44.37 | josephscott | the fort union one? http://www.bucadibeppo.com/locations/default.aspx?state=UT |
| 17:44.37 | PoeticIntensity | noon would be much less obtrusive to me. |
| 17:44.45 | timinator | brasto: are you jewish? |
| 17:45.26 | mindjuju | weird, not on that list josephscott , i'll get you the google map |
| 17:46.10 | josephscott | hmmm, that's too bad, the fort union one is ~ 6 miles from me :-) |
| 17:46.15 | brasto | timinator, nope, a Jew that spoke at a BYU devotional once said it was interesting to be speaking at the only place in the world where he is called a gentile... |
| 17:46.33 | mindjuju | hang on, josephscott, i think that is the one, my bad |
| 17:46.44 | mindjuju | ~APB Herlo |
| 17:46.45 | jbot | ACTION summons Tim to find Herlo |
| 17:46.55 | timinator | finding..... |
| 17:46.59 | timinator | :) |
| 17:47.08 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
| 17:47.19 | mindjuju | is it the Fort Union one? |
| 17:47.26 | PoeticIntensity | yo, thebigdog, you coming to lunch? |
| 17:47.26 | mindjuju | i just know where to exit on the freeway |
| 17:47.48 | josephscott | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=buca+di+beppo&sll=40.545412,-111.852421&sspn=0.010207,0.022531&ie=UTF8&ll=40.616298,-111.852493&spn=0.163143,0.360489&z=12&iwloc=A&om=1 |
| 17:47.50 | brasto | wow, timinator or TimRiker, whichever it was, jbot's sommoning of Tim did it's job and got herlo... |
| 17:48.01 | mikesmullin | gibba[w]: ie6 compatibility is not that hard. go download CSS Vista or if you have a mac then CSSEdit ... |
| 17:48.43 | mindjuju | josephscott, that's the one. was up from 2a - 6a with sick child and got like 3 hrs of sleep |
| 17:48.52 | herlo | brasto: I was already here :) |
| 17:48.55 | josephscott | oh, I know that feeling |
| 17:49.16 | mindjuju | k, so Fort Union Buca @12p |
| 17:49.22 | mindjuju | i'm posting to maillist |
| 17:49.25 | PoeticIntensity | sounds good. |
| 17:49.27 | mindjuju | this friday |
| 17:49.35 | PoeticIntensity | meaning, in 3 days? |
| 17:49.39 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:49.41 | beandog | put in the topic too |
| 17:49.44 | PoeticIntensity | beauty. |
| 17:49.45 | josephscott | I should be able to make that for lunch, besides, I haven't been to Bucca Di Beppo's in years, back in Sacramento |
| 17:49.45 | beandog | and on the webpage |
| 17:50.54 | brasto | Buca Di Beppo - are they fairly quick to serve food to a sudden surplus of geek visitors? |
| 17:51.16 | mindjuju | yeah, i'll call in advance |
| 17:51.35 | mindjuju | geek war party of 12 ~ 15 @ 12p on Friday |
| 17:52.05 | beandog | ask if they have hawt waitresses |
| 17:52.05 | brasto | herlo, I figured you were, but I liked the ~APB thing |
| 17:52.28 | josephscott | I don't know about here, but in Sacramento you had to make reservation, or you had almost no chance of getting in. |
| 17:52.34 | gibba[w] | mikesmullin: i know its not that difficult, but some of the css rendering and cascading bugs are just ridiculous. i'm not having trouble ... just pissed about it |
| 17:53.05 | *** join/#uphpu Ryu (n=prowebso@72.25.165.82) |
| 17:53.07 | brasto | Buca Di Beppo... that's mexican food... right? |
| 17:53.15 | beandog | sounds italian |
| 17:53.17 | mikesmullin | gibba[w]: i understand. i used to get pissed too. :) |
| 17:53.19 | PoeticIntensity | Greek, I think. |
| 17:53.22 | Ryu | What up!? |
| 17:53.31 | PoeticIntensity | You comin' to lunch this Friday with us, Ryu ? |
| 17:53.34 | mindjuju | Ryu - geek lunch this friday |
| 17:53.35 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:53.37 | beandog | wb Ryu |
| 17:53.39 | Ryu | you bet! |
| 17:53.48 | herlo | brasto: do ~apb |
| 17:53.51 | gibba[w] | Buca is italian |
| 17:53.51 | Ryu | hey beandog... |
| 17:53.51 | PoeticIntensity | Buca Di Beppo |
| 17:53.54 | herlo | its similar |
| 17:54.05 | brasto | ~apb herlo |
| 17:54.06 | jbot | ACTION summons Beth to stake out herlo |
| 17:54.10 | brasto | lol |
| 17:54.25 | brasto | ~Apb somedude |
| 17:54.26 | jbot | ACTION hires Leland to stake out somedude |
| 17:54.39 | brasto | ~APb someotherdude |
| 17:54.40 | jbot | ACTION hires Leland to rough up someotherdude |
| 17:54.45 | herlo | brasto: ~APB and ~apb are the same thing IIRC |
| 17:54.46 | herlo | ~apb |
| 17:54.47 | jbot | rumour has it, apb is paste more then 5 lines into http://pastebin.ca and then post the link here |
| 17:54.48 | herlo | ~APB |
| 17:54.49 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, apb is paste more then 5 lines into http://pastebin.ca and then post the link here |
| 17:54.53 | Ryu | where's Buca Di Bepo? |
| 17:55.02 | herlo | Ryu: Midvale |
| 17:55.20 | brasto | ah... jbot's not case sensitive... |
| 17:55.28 | brasto | ~ci |
| 17:55.28 | jbot | [ci] computer illiterate |
| 17:55.40 | brasto | ~cs |
| 17:55.41 | jbot | a free and small cscope clone. URL: ftp://cantor.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/unix/ |
| 17:56.13 | Ryu | sweet.. what time's lunch friday? |
| 17:56.28 | PoeticIntensity | noon |
| 17:56.39 | Ryu | k I'm down |
| 17:57.25 | brasto | Buca Di Beppo is Itallion: http://www.bucadibeppo.com/ |
| 17:57.46 | brasto | that's funny: Strange Tablefellows Welcome -that suits us well! |
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| 18:05.37 | mindjuju | brb |
| 18:10.01 | cycokilr | sweet, so then you're all decided.. i'll come.. i haven't met most of you guys so it should be good.. |
| 18:15.15 | gibba[w] | so its at the fort union one? |
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| 18:17.33 | influx^^ | midvale? |
| 18:17.47 | cycokilr | it's on 7200 south you guys.. |
| 18:17.54 | influx^^ | I'm a downtown kid. |
| 18:18.05 | influx^^ | I rarely venture outside the 42 block radius. |
| 18:18.07 | cycokilr | that's the freeway exit from I-15 if you come that way.. |
| 18:18.42 | cycokilr | the only exits from I-215 heading west from I-15 are State ST and 1300 East.. |
| 18:19.03 | cycokilr | Buca is 7200 South 900 East |
| 18:20.02 | cycokilr | (well i guess not 1300 East but the ft union exit.. same thing to me) |
| 18:20.04 | gibba[w] | yeah ... thats fort union i think |
| 18:20.54 | gibba[w] | probably quicker to take the belt route to union park exit and come back 2 blocks to it |
| 18:21.04 | gibba[w] | quicker than the i15 exit anyway |
| 18:21.08 | cycokilr | yeah that works just fine.. |
| 18:21.22 | cycokilr | it depends on the time of day though.. 215 can get busy.. i drive it every day.. |
| 18:22.11 | influx^^ | I'll join dataw0lf for the after-lunch festivities. |
| 18:22.26 | *** join/#uphpu Kamehameha (n=prowebso@72.25.165.82) |
| 18:22.31 | influx^^ | I can't spare the ducats for lunch and dont have a car. |
| 18:23.19 | PoeticIntensity | influx^^, where you coming from? |
| 18:23.34 | influx^^ | downtown |
| 18:23.36 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 18:23.50 | PoeticIntensity | just seein' if you needed a ride, but I"m coming from the south. |
| 18:24.05 | influx^^ | si si |
| 18:28.02 | timinator | my |
| 18:28.06 | timinator | new fav |
| 18:28.18 | timinator | Paul Van Dyk ++ |
| 18:34.30 | mgeary | ?? |
| 18:34.47 | mgeary | you get some bad news, thebigdog? |
| 18:34.58 | thebigdog | timinator is listening to techno |
| 18:35.06 | mgeary | aahh |
| 18:35.11 | timinator | volume++ |
| 18:35.12 | timinator | volume++ |
| 18:35.59 | thebigdog | sometimes it amazes me at the experience levels required by some job postings |
| 18:36.37 | timinator | PHP, ASP, Oracle, Ability to multi-task, Ability to control the tides |
| 18:36.57 | thebigdog | for example php vs java |
| 18:37.02 | timinator | can you fly a Gulfstream? |
| 18:37.11 | thebigdog | there is about a 5-7yrs experience diff |
| 18:37.19 | timinator | we also need some housekeeping |
| 18:37.27 | thebigdog | i see tons of php jobs for 1-3yrs experience |
| 18:37.44 | thebigdog | java i see 5-10yrs experience |
| 18:37.54 | cycokilr | The Marketing department is currently looking for a part-time Web Design Intern. If you are interested in this position or know of anyone who might be, please read the attached job description and submit a resume and cover letter to jobs@interbankfx.com. |
| 18:38.58 | thebigdog | if you can breath and say your name...we want to interview you |
| 18:39.16 | cycokilr | yeah, that's a good point, i haven't either.. |
| 18:49.44 | synic | techno ++ |
| 18:49.56 | cycokilr | no way man.. |
| 18:50.08 | cycokilr | slayer |
| 18:50.13 | synic | see the + next to my name? It means I know more about everything than you do. |
| 18:50.29 | cycokilr | nein! |
| 18:50.39 | dataw0lf | techno-- |
| 18:50.51 | cycokilr | techno = 0 |
| 18:50.57 | dataw0lf | techno = NULL |
| 18:51.01 | cycokilr | that too |
| 18:51.12 | cycokilr | mv techno /dev/null |
| 18:51.21 | synic | borken. |
| 18:51.55 | dataw0lf | techno > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:53.04 | cycokilr | unlink( 'techno' ); |
| 18:53.09 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:53.11 | jnbek | cat /dev/random > techno |
| 18:53.45 | thebigdog | finger techno |
| 18:53.47 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:53.55 | thebigdog | for timinator |
| 18:53.59 | dataw0lf | alias techno=`rm -fr /*` |
| 18:53.59 | thebigdog | ~flip techno |
| 18:54.00 | jbot | ACTION gives techno the .|.. ..|. |
| 18:54.04 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:54.23 | dataw0lf | huh ` |
| 18:54.27 | cycokilr | you got that synic? |
| 18:54.32 | dataw0lf | my quotes are backticks |
| 18:54.35 | dataw0lf | that's not healthy |
| 18:54.36 | thebigdog | select anything from techno; |
| 18:54.53 | synic | cycokilr: not quite. |
| 18:54.53 | thebigdog | 0 results returned |
| 18:55.01 | dataw0lf | select * from techno_listeners where coolness > 0 |
| 18:55.03 | dataw0lf | 0 rows returned |
| 18:55.17 | synic | more like ERROR YOU IDIOT, YOU FORGOT ; |
| 18:55.22 | thebigdog | truncate techno; |
| 18:55.43 | thebigdog | drop techno; |
| 18:55.46 | dataw0lf | drop table techno_listeners; |
| 18:55.49 | timinator | ~flip you all |
| 18:55.50 | jbot | ACTION gives you all the .|.. ..|. |
| 18:55.56 | thebigdog | ~kick timinator |
| 18:55.57 | jbot | ACTION kicks timinator |
| 18:56.04 | cycokilr | 10 print "**techno be lame **" |
| 18:56.05 | timinator | ~slap thebigdog |
| 18:56.05 | jbot | ACTION slaps thebigdog, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:56.07 | cycokilr | 20 goto 10 |
| 18:56.11 | dataw0lf | t(-_-) <-- timinator |
| 18:56.20 | synic | timmah! |
| 18:56.24 | thebigdog | ~whaleslap timinator |
| 18:56.24 | jbot | ACTION beats timinator upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:56.24 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:56.32 | timinator | ya, haven't heard that one before synic |
| 18:56.34 | timinator | :) |
| 18:56.34 | thebigdog | ~whaleblock thebigdog |
| 18:56.34 | jbot | ACTION shields thebigdog with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 18:56.35 | dataw0lf | def techno(): print "Techno Sucks (And Python is better than PHP)" |
| 18:56.48 | timinator | WHOA THERE DW |
| 18:56.52 | thebigdog | ~whaleblock thebigdog from timinator's crappy techno |
| 18:56.53 | jbot | ACTION shields thebigdog from timinator's crappy techno with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
| 18:56.56 | dataw0lf | while True: techno() |
| 18:57.06 | cycokilr | nice |
| 18:59.35 | mgeary | ~airsupply dataw0lf |
| 18:59.35 | jbot | ACTION takes dataw0lf by the hand, hunkers down on one knee, gazes fondly into dataw0lf's eyes, and croons, "'cause you're every woman in the world to meeeee...." |
| 18:59.42 | influx^^ | !summon Mecha Godzilla to deal with the petulant dataw0lf. |
| 18:59.53 | synic | not my fault you have a crappy IRC client. |
| 18:59.58 | dataw0lf | Yea, jeez, get irssi |
| 18:59.58 | synic | SNAP! |
| 19:00.02 | dataw0lf | aw snap |
| 19:00.10 | influx^^ | snap aw? |
| 19:00.26 | dataw0lf | that was some fine snap aw |
| 19:00.28 | dataw0lf | hyuck hyuck |
| 19:00.35 | brasto | ~snap someone |
| 19:00.55 | timinator | snap yo fingers, snap yo neck |
| 19:01.01 | cycokilr | nice |
| 19:01.07 | dataw0lf | my rhymes be like, droppin yo head on cement |
| 19:01.16 | cycokilr | is it really yo though? |
| 19:01.21 | cycokilr | not your? |
| 19:01.25 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:01.46 | brasto | timinator, to stay consistent with that accent you need to say 'snap yo fingas, snap yo neck' |
| 19:01.58 | cycokilr | such sadness.. |
| 19:02.00 | timinator | true dat |
| 19:02.54 | synic | holy crap, fluxbox 1.0 released? |
| 19:02.55 | cycokilr | it's not even called an accent anymore.. it's ebonics.. |
| 19:03.03 | cycokilr | fluxbox is lame |
| 19:03.10 | cycokilr | fluxbox == techno |
| 19:03.12 | synic | sure... but IT'S RELEASED! |
| 19:03.50 | influx^^ | released techno |
| 19:04.10 | timinator | *sigh |
| 19:04.19 | timinator | volume++ |
| 19:10.55 | thebigdog | k i got a pic for you all |
| 19:10.58 | thebigdog | one sec to post |
| 19:11.14 | timinator | are there cookies involved? |
| 19:11.21 | thebigdog | kinda |
| 19:11.44 | thebigdog | drip and i had lunch and he took the pic |
| 19:11.54 | timinator | very well, you may post it |
| 19:12.09 | thebigdog | ~thank timinator |
| 19:12.09 | jbot | thebigdog: de nada |
| 19:12.58 | cycokilr | i have a cool picture of synic if anyone wants to see it.. |
| 19:13.51 | timinator | I'd love to see a cool picture of synic |
| 19:15.22 | thebigdog | http://thebigdog.biz/almightydollar.jpg |
| 19:16.18 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:16.24 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:16.48 | timinator | I'd pay my dollar, and sit there all afternoon |
| 19:17.06 | timinator | knock out some work on my laptop in peace |
| 19:17.30 | thebigdog | includes...placeholder, cup, utensils and 1 napkin |
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| 19:17.52 | timinator | see.... more than sufficient |
| 19:17.57 | timinator | :) |
| 19:18.18 | thebigdog | all that for $1.00 is al |
| 19:18.20 | thebigdog | is all |
| 19:18.36 | thebigdog | and you can eat off of someones plate |
| 19:19.06 | thebigdog | so for $2.00 drip and I shared a meal with some ladies in the place |
| 19:19.21 | thebigdog | just a simple setup fee is all |
| 19:19.23 | thebigdog | nothing more |
| 19:20.30 | wps | how insecure is it to create an SSH key without a passphrase? |
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| 19:20.51 | wps | I have two servers that I need to rsync between automatically in the middle of the night |
| 19:21.27 | mindjuju | wow, anybody with a spare $2k looking for mysql training? |
| 19:21.31 | thebigdog | very insecure...if they get access to one server they can get access to the other |
| 19:21.34 | wps | I understand that I can "hold the key open" with ssh-agent, but am worried about making sure that it gets reloaded if/when the server gets rebooted |
| 19:22.03 | wps | if ssh-agent were holding the key open then they would have the same access though |
| 19:25.28 | timinator | BRB |
| 19:26.24 | Black_Chaos | wps: setup your key to only allow the rsync command |
| 19:27.29 | beandog | well thats still dangerous since rsync can pull, push, and delete |
| 19:27.38 | beandog | wps, what do you need to transfer between the two? |
| 19:28.28 | wps | web code |
| 19:29.05 | wps | and content |
| 19:29.20 | beandog | hmm |
| 19:29.25 | beandog | use a version control system. :) |
| 19:29.33 | thebigdog | svn |
| 19:29.36 | beandog | commit, checkout, done. |
| 19:29.40 | thebigdog | rep it over |
| 19:29.57 | wps | I am using SVN |
| 19:30.33 | wps | but I want to rsync between staging and production |
| 19:30.47 | thebigdog | why rsync? |
| 19:31.09 | thebigdog | just a simple checkout |
| 19:31.52 | wps | because the production servers can't see the repository |
| 19:32.26 | wps | and, more importantly, they do not have the SVN client on them… and I can't get it on them until we get new servers which will be a few months out |
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| 19:35.55 | thebigdog | are you pushing form stage to productions |
| 19:36.06 | wps | yes |
| 19:37.30 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:38.05 | thebigdog | wps perhaps you need a script that can automate that for you |
| 19:38.13 | thebigdog | setup the keys, move code over |
| 19:38.18 | wps | I have written one |
| 19:38.54 | wps | but as it copies to each server, it requires a password… so I am using keys so that the entire script can run without interruption or human intervention |
| 19:40.06 | Black_Chaos | a passphrase-less key that is limited to one command is your best bet |
| 19:40.14 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 19:40.22 | PelaoFeliz | can the prod servers see the staging servers? |
| 19:40.23 | mgeary | how would you do that limiting? |
| 19:40.36 | thebigdog | prod cannot see staging |
| 19:40.40 | thebigdog | so that is good that way |
| 19:41.25 | wps | you can set options in the authorized_keys entry that only allows certain things (such as only allowing rsync) |
| 19:42.32 | thebigdog | just make sure perms and everything are setup correctly |
| 19:43.14 | thebigdog | mgeary, http://pkeck.myweb.uga.edu/ssh/ |
| 19:44.04 | mgeary | nice, but limiting it to "only rsync" is like saying, "make the hole small enough that *only* a truck could drive through..." |
| 19:44.14 | mgeary | can you be more specific in the limits? |
| 19:45.00 | thebigdog | im sure you could tar it all up and then copy it all over |
| 19:45.10 | wps | production servers can ONLY be accessed from staging (limited by IP), so I am not concerned about open communication between them |
| 19:45.11 | thebigdog | delete the old stuff and install the new stuff |
| 19:45.18 | Black_Chaos | you have to give up a little security if you want to be completely autonomous |
| 19:45.31 | wps | the security is getting onto staging |
| 19:45.59 | thebigdog | blocking all access to staging from production is good |
| 19:48.33 | PelaoFeliz | if you can access staging from production, could you rsync the repository to staging from dev, then checkout onto production from staging? |
| 19:48.56 | wps | yeah, but that seems stupid to me |
| 19:49.14 | wps | why rsync the repository? why not just rsync the site? |
| 19:49.21 | wps | (easier… simplier) |
| 19:49.28 | wps | simpler |
| 19:50.03 | PelaoFeliz | well, a checkout you can do with simple client-server security without worrying about open keys |
| 19:50.27 | PelaoFeliz | I imagine you're branching your code for release -- you could rsync just the production release branch... |
| 19:50.46 | PelaoFeliz | so basically you're just sync'ing the code that'll be going to production |
| 19:52.23 | PelaoFeliz | if the open keys don't bother you from a security standpoint, then that's a simple way to do it, as you pointed out |
| 20:14.24 | timinator | is that better thebigdog ??? |
| 20:14.37 | thebigdog | about time |
| 20:15.06 | beandog | http://clarkbw.net/blog/2007/10/09/they-makin-me-sekur/ |
| 20:18.50 | wps | when doing an SVN checkout, you have to specify the path to the repository |
| 20:19.04 | wps | I am away of the following options, file:, svn:, and http: |
| 20:19.25 | wps | for http: , does the repository have to be under a web root? |
| 20:19.38 | wps | what if I am just checking out from one server to another that are both on the same LAN? |
| 20:19.47 | Black_Chaos | wps: no |
| 20:20.27 | wps | what would the syntax be for checking out from one box to another on the same LAN? |
| 20:20.46 | beandog | same |
| 20:20.49 | beandog | just depends on the hostname |
| 20:20.58 | beandog | svn co http://server/svn foo |
| 20:21.15 | beandog | or svn://, svn+ssl://, etc. |
| 20:21.22 | wps | k, I'll try that |
| 20:21.45 | thebigdog | or https:// |
| 20:22.00 | wps | does file:// only work if you are checking out onto the box where the repository is? |
| 20:24.44 | wps | hmm… http:// didn't work |
| 20:25.15 | Black_Chaos | did you get apache all setup? |
| 20:25.38 | wps | apache is running on that server |
| 20:25.45 | wps | is the something special that has to be configured? |
| 20:25.53 | Black_Chaos | but did you set it up for svn access? |
| 20:26.36 | wps | is there anyway to do it without http? seems silly to have to use http when you are communicating between two servers on the same LAN |
| 20:26.45 | Black_Chaos | svnserve |
| 20:27.10 | wps | svn checkout user@servername:/path/to/repo/project/trunk project |
| 20:27.13 | wps | would be nice |
| 20:27.25 | Black_Chaos | you can use svn+ssh:// |
| 20:27.25 | tierra | there's some form of svn+ssh |
| 20:27.31 | tierra | yeah |
| 20:27.32 | tierra | heh |
| 20:27.35 | Black_Chaos | I've just never used it so can't tell ya how |
| 20:28.01 | Black_Chaos | svn+ssh should be like file only over ssh obviosly |
| 20:28.13 | wps | that's what I need |
| 20:31.18 | tierra | svnserve can do all that w/o encryption with just svn://, but according to the book, svn+ssh is still faster than WebDAV |
| 20:32.26 | dataw0lf | meh to webdav |
| 20:33.00 | cycokilr | yes |
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| 20:54.03 | mindjuju | *** with a quick wiff of ozone and a major feeling of vertigo, mindjuju goes 4 21" display @ a mindnumbing 6400 x 1200 |
| 20:55.57 | cycokilr | yikes.. |
| 20:56.02 | cycokilr | CRTs? |
| 20:56.10 | mindjuju | sadly yes |
| 20:56.34 | mindjuju | but i'm getting a nice tan |
| 20:56.43 | cycokilr | yeah i'd imagine.. |
| 20:56.45 | _psychic_ | you mean your *brain* is getting a nice tan |
| 20:57.13 | cycokilr | what OS are you running that with mindjuju? |
| 20:57.23 | mindjuju | win xp |
| 20:57.31 | cycokilr | interesting.. |
| 20:58.11 | PoeticIntensity | heh... 4 monitors? |
| 20:58.16 | PoeticIntensity | sheeeeeooooot! |
| 20:58.36 | mindjuju | yeah! ^5 |
| 20:58.39 | cycokilr | now you just have to worry about neck injuries looking from side to side man.. |
| 20:58.54 | PoeticIntensity | so, thebigdog, I never got your answer.... :) |
| 20:58.57 | PoeticIntensity | You coming to lunch on Friday? |
| 20:59.03 | mindjuju | now the periphery have a screen! |
| 20:59.05 | PoeticIntensity | I know it's a long drive, but it is for me too... :-D |
| 20:59.29 | orsonj | and then probably change his db passwords |
| 20:59.34 | mindjuju | yipes! how embarrassing! |
| 20:59.35 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:59.37 | cycokilr | nah, thebigdog just wants to be like cycokilr.. |
| 20:59.45 | cycokilr | http://woodenpickle.com/ |
| 20:59.59 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 21:02.43 | PoeticIntensity | goodness. |
| 21:02.56 | PoeticIntensity | maybe I should just turn off PHP on my server as well, so I can be cool, too. |
| 21:03.57 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity! don't give in to peer pressure! |
| 21:04.14 | PoeticIntensity | b....b.bbbb........but I just want people to think I'm cool! |
| 21:04.28 | PoeticIntensity | oh man.... |
| 21:04.37 | mindjuju | deactivating PHP is like running around with your pants down low and exposing your boxers |
| 21:04.40 | mindjuju | it just ain't right |
| 21:05.27 | PoeticIntensity | "I won't be 'upped' by anyone!", says PoeticIntensity as he prepares to blow his server to kingdom-come. |
| 21:10.25 | dataw0lf | deactivating PHP is like ... evolving. |
| 21:10.44 | mindjuju | evolving into a pile of poop maybe |
| 21:10.44 | dataw0lf | (as long as you have a handler to handle Django serving) |
| 21:11.19 | mindjuju | *** the refs raise the point flag and point at mindjuju - 1pt against dataw0lf |
| 21:11.48 | mindjuju | *** mindjuju jumps around with his boxing fancy footwork punching at the air |
| 21:11.59 | dataw0lf | Riiiiiiiight. If you know more than a couple languages, you'd be masochist to write in PHP unless you're forced to. |
| 21:12.47 | mindjuju | psh |
| 21:13.38 | PoeticIntensity | heh... that's what the php devs think... |
| 21:13.40 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 21:14.49 | thebigdog | hehe...too much stuff going on...forgot to setup php on the server again |
| 21:15.06 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, im not sure yet...timinator was wanting to do something too |
| 21:15.57 | PoeticIntensity | ah... t'would be nice if everyone came... |
| 21:16.01 | mindjuju | it's too bad we aren't having a LAN party |
| 21:16.10 | PoeticIntensity | timinator, come to the geek lunch! |
| 21:16.21 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 21:16.25 | timinator | :) |
| 21:16.29 | mindjuju | that would give everybody a good excuse to come to this side of town |
| 21:16.33 | PoeticIntensity | I wouldn't mind hosting one, either... |
| 21:16.35 | mindjuju | we could go to buca, then my house and setup |
| 21:16.39 | PoeticIntensity | but I'm pretty far south. |
| 21:16.40 | timinator | not going to make it this go around, sorry guys |
| 21:16.44 | PoeticIntensity | bah! |
| 21:16.45 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: hmmm |
| 21:16.51 | dataw0lf | maybe I could LAN party for a couple hours... |
| 21:17.05 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you should totally come... |
| 21:17.06 | dataw0lf | if someone can let me use a box |
| 21:17.09 | mindjuju | if you aren't too scared |
| 21:17.13 | dataw0lf | shoooooooot |
| 21:17.21 | dataw0lf | as in what I'm going to be doing to you all day long sucka |
| 21:17.27 | mindjuju | dude! i know you got beginner sillz @ halo 2 |
| 21:17.28 | mindjuju | it's ok |
| 21:17.42 | dataw0lf | I haven't played in over a year |
| 21:18.08 | dataw0lf | alright let's plan on a bit of a LAN party for a while too |
| 21:18.10 | mindjuju | i just happen to have xboxes around the house. just 2. 1 in the living room, 1 in the bedroom |
| 21:18.15 | mindjuju | i use them for XBMC |
| 21:19.37 | mindjuju | k, lets get this into stone |
| 21:20.45 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:22.05 | PoeticIntensity | bah.... a three hour lunch is all work will allow.... :-T |
| 21:22.55 | mindjuju | k, i have tentative approval - which means like 95% likely, she's just has to check the calendar on something, and get back with me |
| 21:27.39 | mindjuju | k, we have full approval |
| 21:28.35 | mindjuju | k, so how we going to do this. We have buca @ 12p |
| 21:28.57 | mindjuju | we could all meet up @ 6p @ my house |
| 21:29.09 | mindjuju | which is just on the other side of the point, @ lehi |
| 21:29.16 | mindjuju | over by thanksgiving point, not far from freeway |
| 21:29.25 | dataw0lf | alright, but I can only stay for a couple hours |
| 21:29.26 | mindjuju | we could do comps and consoles |
| 21:29.33 | dataw0lf | because I have a party to host |
| 21:29.42 | dataw0lf | I would much prefer comps over consoles |
| 21:29.49 | dataw0lf | but I'd need someone to supply me with a spare box |
| 21:29.52 | mindjuju | dude, in a couple of hours, you'll be beggin' to go home from the butt whoppin' youd be gettin |
| 21:30.01 | dataw0lf | ehl oh ehl, mindjuju |
| 21:30.03 | dataw0lf | ehl oh ehl |
| 21:30.14 | mindjuju | "oooo mommy! those boys play too hard" |
| 21:30.22 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:30.34 | _psychic_ | what game is this? |
| 21:30.43 | mindjuju | don't know yet |
| 21:30.51 | mindjuju | well, halo 2 at least some |
| 21:30.57 | mindjuju | _psychic_ do you want to come? |
| 21:31.09 | _psychic_ | maybe |
| 21:31.11 | _psychic_ | halo |
| 21:31.13 | _psychic_ | :/ |
| 21:31.23 | mindjuju | awesome! is that on comp or console? |
| 21:31.25 | _psychic_ | what are the significant differences between halo 1 and 3? |
| 21:32.49 | mindjuju | _psychic_ is the halo you're playing, is that on comp or console |
| 21:32.57 | _psychic_ | neither |
| 21:33.00 | _psychic_ | don't really play halo |
| 21:33.01 | mindjuju | except for Half-life |
| 21:33.08 | mindjuju | the original expanded a lot |
| 21:33.10 | _psychic_ | unum: plasma grenades were pretty cool, I must say that |
| 21:33.31 | _psychic_ | unum: seen porta? |
| 21:33.33 | _psychic_ | *portal? |
| 21:33.39 | _psychic_ | tf2 is some good stuff too |
| 21:33.50 | Black_Chaos | the orange box is going to rock! |
| 21:33.59 | PoeticIntensity | agreed! |
| 21:34.05 | _psychic_ | I have it already |
| 21:34.09 | mindjuju | PI, can you come back up for LAN? |
| 21:34.12 | _psychic_ | portal gets released tonight |
| 21:34.20 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, I seriously doubt it. |
| 21:34.21 | PoeticIntensity | :-T |
| 21:34.28 | mindjuju | bummer! |
| 21:34.32 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt. |
| 21:35.03 | PoeticIntensity | I'd even have an extra box for dataw0lf . |
| 21:35.03 | mindjuju | why don't you skip lunch and do LAN ? |
| 21:35.15 | PoeticIntensity | Friday nights are sacred to my family. |
| 21:35.22 | mindjuju | ah |
| 21:35.24 | PoeticIntensity | I rarely do anything outside of family stuff Friday nights. |
| 21:35.36 | PoeticIntensity | (date night, usually heh...) |
| 21:35.49 | PoeticIntensity | and I seriously, but SERIOUSLY doubt my wife would like to go to a LAN party for a date. :) |
| 21:36.42 | mindjuju | yeah, totally understand |
| 21:37.18 | PoeticIntensity | I'll do some pokin' around to see.... There may be a chance. |
| 21:38.03 | mindjuju | dude, go with a box of See's chocolates, a dozen roses and big eyes, and say, PLEASE! |
| 21:38.35 | orsonj | just setup a PI's family corner with a bunch of laptops |
| 21:38.48 | mindjuju | if she don't like choco, then you gots to go the Quid Pro Quo route |
| 21:38.56 | mindjuju | like 3 honeyDos |
| 21:39.04 | mindjuju | start low on the honeyDos though |
| 21:39.38 | PoeticIntensity | you comin' to lunch orsonj ? |
| 21:41.17 | orsonj | I wish. 80 miles is a bit far for lunch. Buca rocks though. I will miss it dearly. |
| 21:41.53 | PoeticIntensity | bah! |
| 21:41.58 | PoeticIntensity | where are you located, orsonj ? |
| 21:42.04 | orsonj | cache valley |
| 21:42.11 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... |
| 21:44.21 | mindjuju | thebigdog , you coming down for LAN party? |
| 21:44.31 | thebigdog | lunch or lan party? |
| 21:46.32 | mindjuju | LAN party |
| 21:46.40 | mindjuju | @ 6p my house |
| 21:46.41 | thebigdog | so no lunch? |
| 21:46.44 | mindjuju | lunch too |
| 21:46.44 | thebigdog | when? |
| 21:46.47 | mindjuju | friday |
| 21:46.52 | mindjuju | you can do either or both |
| 21:46.55 | mindjuju | and bring timinator |
| 21:46.59 | thebigdog | nope i got a football game that night |
| 21:47.02 | mindjuju | so we can kick his foo butt too |
| 21:47.20 | thebigdog | and i got stuff to fix...ty orsonj ;) |
| 21:47.44 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:47.46 | thebigdog | football on friday night |
| 21:48.02 | timinator | :( |
| 21:49.02 | thebigdog | i would if it was another day...but not sure what i would bring |
| 21:49.12 | thebigdog | i guess some snickerdoodles |
| 21:49.47 | mindjuju | nah, just cheap pizza and a comp or a console |
| 21:49.49 | mindjuju | and some games |
| 21:50.11 | thebigdog | there is only 1 game i play |
| 21:50.17 | mindjuju | and a soft pillow unless you plan to do some buttkicking of your own |
| 21:50.31 | mindjuju | oh, WoW |
| 21:56.17 | mindjuju | ya'll need some Paul Van Dyk - Global Gathering |
| 22:00.04 | thebigdog | no way...here is where it is @ |
| 22:00.18 | thebigdog | or this too |
| 22:00.49 | thebigdog | everyone needs a little danzig during the day |
| 22:01.22 | influx^^ | Danzig. Yeaaaaah. \m/ |
| 22:01.28 | influx^^ | *banghead* |
| 22:01.28 | xilch|w | heh - I am actually listening to american psycho right now |
| 22:01.46 | cycokilr | sweet |
| 22:01.50 | xilch|w | I guess it was meant to be |
| 22:02.06 | synic | mindjuju: what is global gathering? I haven't heard of this one. |
| 22:02.30 | thebigdog | cant go wrong with some misfits |
| 22:03.03 | thebigdog | fungus, what are you doing listening too that crap |
| 22:03.28 | fungus | crap? tha Carpenters rule! |
| 22:03.36 | mindjuju | synic - it's from the BBC Radio 1 |
| 22:04.16 | synic | mindjuju: just a mix? |
| 22:04.36 | mindjuju | yeah, 2 hours mix |
| 22:04.50 | synic | send 2 me plz |
| 22:05.03 | xilch|w | you aren't giving it to me fast enough! |
| 22:05.40 | xilch|w | ANGELINA JOLIE HAS ENORMOUS LIPS! |
| 22:06.20 | unum | what are good rss agregrators |
| 22:06.23 | dataw0lf | I H8 U AND I H8 THE BANDS U LIKE! |
| 22:07.26 | fungus | Web based: Google Reader; Linux: Liferea; Mac: Vienna; Windows: ...ick |
| 22:07.38 | influx^^ | I 'ate 'im! I 'ate 'im and the mess he left on the floor! |
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| 22:08.01 | influx^^ | Newsfier is alright for the Mac. |
| 22:08.09 | influx^^ | err, Newsfuehrer. |
| 22:10.53 | orsonj | yep, it's like the trapazoid schemes, where you need to get in early for it to be worth it. |
| 22:14.06 | mindjuju | trapezoid scheme are cool, but rhombus schemes you have to be really careful with. don't even get near a dodecahedron scheme, they'll mess you up |
| 22:14.33 | mindjuju | i remember that song |
| 22:14.57 | fungus | Of course. Tina Turner is totally awesome. |
| 22:16.23 | dataw0lf | I pretty much use iGoogle for everything |
| 22:16.27 | dataw0lf | <3 iGoogle |
| 22:17.17 | synic | mindjuju: yeah, this is good stuff :) |
| 22:17.25 | mindjuju | google is going to take over the world, i love how yahoo agents or fanboys have been flooding digg with all these new reports saying Yahoo better than Google |
| 22:17.38 | mindjuju | synic, it's awesome all the way through |
| 22:18.31 | synic | he needs to come back to Utah. I missed him the last two times he was here |
| 22:18.36 | synic | 'cause I'm an idiot. |
| 22:18.56 | xilch|w | but that will never change, I'm afraid |
| 22:19.17 | synic | hey, you missed him too. |
| 22:20.00 | mindjuju | we need to get Tiesto and Baby Anne to come up |
| 22:20.14 | synic | I'm still not sold on Tiesto. |
| 22:20.42 | synic | mindjuju: do you like Shiloh? |
| 22:21.04 | xilch|w | Shiloh is win++ |
| 22:21.31 | mindjuju | haven't heard shiloh |
| 22:21.48 | synic | you have. Shiloh did Dream On, which is track 5 on POD 2. |
| 22:21.49 | thebigdog | hear me now then... |
| 22:22.07 | synic | but their album, Bleed, is win++ |
| 22:22.15 | mindjuju | synic - you need to see the Tiesto in concert DVD |
| 22:22.18 | mindjuju | it's amazing |
| 22:22.45 | synic | maybe I do :) |
| 22:50.56 | herlo | Tiesto? |
| 22:51.19 | herlo | ~dict Tiesto |
| 22:51.40 | mindjuju | try wiki |
| 22:52.54 | timinator | I'm out guys.... later |
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