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| 07:06.30 | tierra | I also have a bit of the presentation material put together |
| 07:22.26 | mindjuju | awesome |
| 07:23.11 | mindjuju | hey tierra, what app do you use to dev php in? i typically use notepad or dreamweaver, but looking for an OSS alternative to dreamweave. |
| 07:25.20 | mindjuju | brb |
| 07:32.11 | tierra | vim/gvim ... on occasion, gedit ;) |
| 07:34.24 | tierra | I wish I could afford Zend Studio for personal use actually... I've worked in it before, and from what I've played with, it works with PHP much like how Visual C++ works with C++ |
| 07:34.34 | tierra | I'm a big fan of Visual C++ |
| 07:35.18 | tierra | svn/sftp integration is a big plus |
| 07:40.00 | tierra | mindjuju: what's available for intarwebs at Bill Good? |
| 07:41.12 | tierra | my eth0 has some odd behavior sometimes, if that doesn't work, there's wireless correct? |
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| 14:38.44 | mindjuju | tierra - there is wireless here |
| 14:39.10 | mindjuju | in fact, was going to send you an email here shortly to find out what you would need for the presentation |
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| 14:43.34 | thebigdog | man it is a monday |
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| 14:48.20 | timinator | morning |
| 14:55.42 | mindjuju | yup |
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| 15:15.09 | thebigdog | for timinator |
| 15:15.21 | timinator | NICE |
| 15:15.28 | timinator | great way to start a Monday |
| 15:15.41 | mindjuju | Finger Eleven? That's all you listen to these days thebigdog |
| 15:15.42 | thebigdog | yeah paralyzed |
| 15:16.01 | thebigdog | its my new band |
| 15:23.01 | thebigdog | my name is inigo montoya...you killed my father..prepare to die |
| 15:23.28 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 15:25.26 | mindjuju | sup _psychic_ |
| 15:25.44 | _psychic_ | mornin |
| 15:26.01 | mindjuju | you're kidding! |
| 15:26.05 | mindjuju | i'm jealous! |
| 15:26.08 | mindjuju | how far are you? |
| 15:26.41 | _psychic_ | 5 hours into TF2 man |
| 15:26.49 | _psychic_ | couldn't care less about episode 2, personally |
| 15:26.52 | mindjuju | is it out for console or comp? I just barely finished HL 2 like a month ago (just didn't have much time to play so took way long time) |
| 15:27.08 | mindjuju | i love HL 2 storyline |
| 15:27.23 | _psychic_ | and I got it for portal |
| 15:27.45 | mindjuju | portal looked awesome |
| 15:27.58 | _psychic_ | the only con is that it's not multiplayer |
| 15:27.59 | _psychic_ | ...yet |
| 15:28.37 | _psychic_ | I have it preloaded but can't play until later |
| 15:28.48 | mindjuju | i think that would be an enormous cpu strain and would be crazy |
| 15:28.55 | mindjuju | portal - multiplayer |
| 15:29.06 | _psychic_ | dunno |
| 15:29.18 | mindjuju | could you imagine falling through somebody else's wormhole or looping through several? |
| 15:29.25 | _psychic_ | awsum |
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| 15:29.36 | _psychic_ | I just wonder what the objective would be |
| 15:29.52 | mindjuju | lab rats trying to break out? |
| 15:31.02 | mindjuju | it would be like a dynamic shoots and ladders - where if it looked like you were going to win, somebody throws a hole in the way and sends you to the beginning |
| 15:31.04 | mindjuju | could be fun |
| 15:31.46 | _psychic_ | for sure |
| 15:31.48 | _psychic_ | I love TF though |
| 15:31.55 | _psychic_ | I played the original version in Quake I |
| 15:32.06 | _psychic_ | the theme is really great (artwork, music) |
| 15:32.10 | _psychic_ | highly recommended |
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| 15:34.04 | mindjuju | is it anything like the trailer? |
| 15:34.22 | _psychic_ | exactly |
| 15:34.43 | _psychic_ | i miss grenades though :( |
| 15:34.50 | mindjuju | this is the trailer i was thinking... it looks awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaF638MBSAE |
| 15:37.43 | _psychic_ | that's it |
| 15:37.49 | _psychic_ | gameplay looks just like it |
| 15:37.49 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 15:37.55 | _psychic_ | the voices in game are really funny |
| 15:38.31 | thebigdog | anyone here use earthlink for an isp? |
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| 15:42.24 | mindjuju | sorry, don't |
| 15:42.37 | influx^^ | They're still around? |
| 15:43.01 | thebigdog | unfortunately |
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| 16:08.12 | herlo | thebigdog: why do you ask? I don't use them, but am curious |
| 16:08.40 | thebigdog | on of our sales guy uses them and could not send email to our server via port 25 |
| 16:08.49 | thebigdog | so i think they block that port |
| 16:08.51 | herlo | thebigdog: haha |
| 16:09.01 | thebigdog | so i told him to switch to ssl and it worked fine |
| 16:09.08 | herlo | thebigdog: if they block that port that is really bad |
| 16:09.22 | herlo | I'm guessing it just needed to validate |
| 16:09.28 | thebigdog | im not sure it is entirly them or not |
| 16:09.32 | mindjuju | could have been dude was spamming or had virus that was spamming and they closed port on him to stop spread |
| 16:09.55 | herlo | thebigdog: probably not earthlinks fault. most everyone puts restrictions on port 25 like that these days |
| 16:10.43 | thebigdog | yeah not sure what he was doing |
| 16:10.52 | thebigdog | they just call me when stuff does not work |
| 16:11.07 | mindjuju | curious, looks like answer is between herlo and I -- http://www.postcastserver.com/help/Port_25_Blocking.aspx |
| 16:11.25 | mindjuju | didn't know they were putting restrictions on 25, i think i'd sue |
| 16:12.10 | mindjuju | and there is earthlink on the list |
| 16:12.22 | herlo | mindjuju: that's standard |
| 16:12.26 | thebigdog | well there we have it |
| 16:12.49 | herlo | mindjuju: in fact, if you have a residential ip, no major isp will let you send email through them... |
| 16:13.00 | herlo | you have to relay through your isp usually |
| 16:13.37 | herlo | note also that comcast, at&t and a couple other biggies are on there as well... |
| 16:19.12 | thebigdog | man IE is a pain when you have to debug js |
| 16:21.40 | orsonj | yep, the whole port 25 blocking thing is a real pain (particularly when combined with spam blocking that doesn't accept email that was relayed through you local isp instead of the official smtp server for your domain) |
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| 16:49.35 | thebigdog | i have uninstalled all adobe products...i use and abuse foxit |
| 17:28.49 | mindjuju | ~APB timinator |
| 17:28.50 | jbot | ACTION hires Tim to find timinator |
| 17:30.42 | timinator | I'm here |
| 17:30.44 | timinator | :) |
| 17:31.00 | mindjuju | hey, i'm going to be by xmission today, you need me to change out a DVD ? |
| 17:32.42 | timinator | nope |
| 17:32.46 | timinator | I'm a slacker |
| 17:32.53 | timinator | haven't setup the backup system yet |
| 17:32.55 | timinator | :( |
| 17:33.00 | mindjuju | k, just wonderin' |
| 17:33.04 | timinator | someday it's going to bite me in the butt |
| 17:33.15 | timinator | until then, I'll keep procrastinating :) |
| 17:37.12 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 17:37.36 | mindjuju | rarely do backups get used when everything is rosy and the boss is happy |
| 17:38.32 | timinator | yep, fo sho |
| 17:39.35 | mindjuju | k, i'll quite preaching, let me know if i can help... several here have good backup recovery |
| 17:39.49 | mindjuju | seems like thebigdog, macnewbold have excellent plans in place |
| 17:40.37 | mindjuju | i'd rate mine at 8 out of 10, not perfect, but better than good |
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| 17:43.08 | timinator | I plan to build something off of wps' example shown here: /home/lylehump/public_html/ |
| 17:43.11 | timinator | oops |
| 17:43.20 | timinator | here: http://mac.byu.edu/2007/04/16/backup-and-archive-with-rsync/ |
| 17:43.31 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:43.50 | timinator | I just haven't built the script yet |
| 17:44.29 | timinator | if anyone is willing to give up their script for me to use as a boilerplate script, I'd be grateful |
| 17:45.12 | timinator | no biggie though |
| 17:58.15 | thebigdog | boxbackup is nice too |
| 17:58.22 | thebigdog | and flexbackup is nice as well |
| 18:08.45 | PoeticIntensity | My server died on Saturday evening.... |
| 18:08.54 | cycokilr | i wish someone had kept up on that unison program.. that was a great one for syncing since it works with windows, linux and mac.. |
| 18:08.58 | PoeticIntensity | I was *extremely* grateful for my day-by-day backups... |
| 18:09.11 | PoeticIntensity | yes.... indeed, I was. |
| 18:09.13 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 18:09.46 | PoeticIntensity | found out it was just the video card...... |
| 18:10.04 | PoeticIntensity | so nothing was lost, but I was still able to get my backup-server up and serving within 30 minutes. |
| 18:12.04 | cycokilr | even though unison hasn't been actively maintained for a while, it still works quite well.. in case anyone is interested.. http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
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| 18:19.39 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 18:25.09 | mindjuju | sup mgeary |
| 18:27.03 | timinator | I'm out for a bit guys |
| 18:31.12 | PoeticIntensity | hi, mgeary |
| 18:31.18 | PoeticIntensity | I'm off to lunch as well. |
| 18:31.18 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
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| 18:36.18 | brasto | Someone ping me please |
| 18:37.45 | fungus | ~ping brasto |
| 18:37.46 | jbot | pong brasto |
| 18:38.38 | brasto | ~lart using pidgin for irc |
| 18:38.38 | jbot | beats the living hamstercrap out of using pidgin for irc |
| 18:38.47 | brasto | brb with a new client shortly |
| 18:38.49 | mindjuju | pidgin works for me |
| 18:38.52 | mindjuju | what up? |
| 18:40.10 | brasto | no sound in pidgin in opensuse 10.3, but all other apps have sound. |
| 18:40.38 | mindjuju | and i'm guessing you've enabled sound for the various IM clients |
| 18:40.43 | mindjuju | each client can have sounds |
| 18:41.21 | mindjuju | well, let me not discourage you from seeking alternative if you want, but i've found pidgin to be quite sexy |
| 18:42.58 | brasto | mindjuju: yep, unless there's a setting somewhere I don't know of |
| 18:43.03 | tierra | gaim/pidgin still annoys me when used with MSN... I don't understand how it has so many problems figuring out when it's online, offline, when it can send messages, and why it can't tell me when one of my messages didn't go through, or why 50% of the time, none of my messages make it to their destination, nor why even when I'm online, others can't get messages to me 50% of the time |
| 18:43.06 | brasto | i like pidgin for all other things |
| 18:43.40 | brasto | odd... tierra, brasto does not have any of those issues with pidgin |
| 18:43.42 | tierra | all other protocols work fine for me, it's just MSN that sucks |
| 18:43.53 | tierra | well, I don't use it for IRC though |
| 18:43.57 | mindjuju | tierra, the MSN bug can be fixed, by using HTTP Method |
| 18:44.20 | mindjuju | it's an option on advanced under edit accounts |
| 18:44.23 | mindjuju | was having the same issue |
| 18:44.28 | mindjuju | some messages don't arrive, etc |
| 18:44.36 | tierra | mindjuju: thanks, I'll look into it |
| 18:45.13 | brasto | brb - testing pidgin against another chat client |
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| 18:47.43 | mgeary | anyone else finding their login @ Godaddy broken? |
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| 18:52.35 | brasto | annoying - the buddy list doesn't display the channel admins like pidgin does |
| 18:52.50 | brasto | ~ping brasto |
| 18:52.50 | jbot | pong brasto |
| 18:53.00 | brasto | odd... still no sound... |
| 18:54.51 | brasto | I set konversation to play this when someone says my name in a message: |
| 18:55.07 | brasto | opt/kde3/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Ahem.wav |
| 18:55.39 | brasto | ^^ that ^^, but with a / at the beginning |
| 18:57.43 | brasto | ~ping brasto |
| 18:57.44 | jbot | pong brasto |
| 18:58.07 | brasto | ok, now sound works |
| 18:59.19 | brasto | ~ping brasto |
| 18:59.19 | jbot | pong brasto |
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| 19:10.45 | brasto | ~ping brasto |
| 19:10.45 | jbot | pong brasto |
| 19:10.58 | brasto | ~ping brasto |
| 19:10.59 | jbot | pong brasto |
| 19:13.16 | brasto | ~pong brasto |
| 19:13.16 | jbot | brasto: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:13.33 | brasto | yay |
| 19:14.20 | brasto | s/yay/yay!/ |
| 19:14.36 | dataw0lf | I'm coming to Utah Thursday night through Sunday night |
| 19:14.41 | dataw0lf | we should have a geek lunch on Friday |
| 19:20.27 | brasto | my testing channel didn't recognize me as op... anyone know why? |
| 19:22.55 | herlo | brasto: what channel? |
| 19:22.55 | thebigdog | you need auto ops from chanserv |
| 19:23.02 | herlo | thebigdog: actually, you don't |
| 19:23.23 | herlo | brasto: you can do /msg chanserv op #channel brasto (IIRC) |
| 19:23.46 | thebigdog | to do op commands you need to be channel op no? |
| 19:23.51 | herlo | thebigdog: but doing autoops is nice |
| 19:23.55 | herlo | :) |
| 19:24.13 | brasto | herlo: it's just a testing channel, I called it #cwxtesting |
| 19:25.25 | herlo | brasto: try what I said, if you were the one that created the channel it should let you op |
| 19:25.45 | herlo | brasto: you may also want to /msg chanserv set #cwxtesting guard on (IIRC) |
| 19:25.55 | brasto | I ran /msg chanserv op #cwxtesting brasto, and now it says no such channel, even though I registered the channel, and there are a few people on it... |
| 19:25.59 | herlo | which will bring chanserv and make sure your ops stay |
| 19:26.16 | herlo | <herlo> op #cwxtesting herlo |
| 19:26.17 | herlo | 13:24 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [10] is required for [OP] on #cwxtesting |
| 19:26.22 | herlo | brasto: that's what I get |
| 19:27.08 | herlo | brasto: if I were the originator of the channel, it'd work... |
| 19:27.32 | brasto | yes, I ran the command to make my user name op for the channel last week, but it's not working now that I disconnected from the channel and re-joined... |
| 19:27.43 | brasto | I'm the originator of the channel |
| 19:27.51 | herlo | but you aren't anymore |
| 19:28.05 | herlo | because you left and someone else is in there too, which gives them that role |
| 19:28.46 | bradym | you need to register the channel before anything will stick |
| 19:28.52 | bradym | -ChanServ- The channel [cwxtesting] is not registered |
| 19:29.25 | herlo | ahh |
| 19:29.27 | herlo | yeah |
| 19:29.33 | herlo | bradym: thx |
| 19:29.40 | bradym | np |
| 19:29.45 | brasto | bradym - I registered the channel - try #cwxtesting, not just cwxtesting |
| 19:30.14 | bradym | type /msg chanserv info #cwxtesting |
| 19:30.21 | thebigdog | you named it with # |
| 19:31.00 | bradym | uh.. my bad.. |
| 19:31.04 | brasto | I got this: |
| 19:31.05 | brasto | info #cwxtesting |
| 19:31.05 | brasto | (12:30:37) ChanServ: (notice) Channel: #cwxtesting |
| 19:31.05 | brasto | (12:30:37) ChanServ: (notice) Contact: brasto << ONLINE >> |
| 19:31.05 | brasto | (12:30:37) ChanServ: (notice) Registered: 5 days (2h 14m 26s) ago |
| 19:31.05 | brasto | (12:30:37) ChanServ: (notice) Topic: Testing Clusterworx |
| 19:31.07 | brasto | (12:30:37) ChanServ: (notice) Mode Lock: -s+ntc |
| 19:31.29 | brasto | it even knows I'm the contact... |
| 19:32.18 | bradym | and /msg chanserv op #cwxtesting doesn't help? |
| 19:32.39 | brasto | nope, not that or /msg chanserv op #cwxtesting brasto |
| 19:32.55 | brasto | I get this from the channel when I do that: |
| 19:33.04 | brasto | no such channel |
| 19:33.56 | brasto | maybe I should /kick everyone on the channel... |
| 19:34.22 | bradym | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.39 | brasto | doh! can't do that unless I'm channel op, and I can't channel op myself... |
| 19:36.33 | mgeary | 'tis the month, after all.... |
| 19:36.56 | brasto | grep op /home/brasto/.purple/logs/irc/brasto@irc.freenode.net/chanserv |
| 19:37.02 | brasto | doh! wrong window... |
| 19:40.02 | thebigdog | 0 results |
| 19:41.11 | brasto | herlo & bradym : I ran this command last Thursday: /msg chanserv access #cwxtesting add brasto 10 |
| 19:41.21 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 19:41.49 | thebigdog | i wonder if that over wrote your existing access |
| 19:43.07 | bradym | could be.. for example bigdog_ut is the contact for #uphpu, and his access level is 49... |
| 19:43.28 | thebigdog | that is the highest i believe on freenode |
| 19:43.43 | bradym | yeah.. which would make sense as the chanel founder |
| 19:43.55 | bradym | channel* |
| 19:44.21 | brasto | herlo & bradym - I found the solution |
| 19:44.42 | brasto | and thebigdog ... |
| 19:45.09 | brasto | solution was to run this first: /msg ChanServ IDENTIFY #cwxtesting |
| 19:45.30 | brasto | then /op #cwxtesting |
| 19:46.27 | bradym | if it will let you, you might want to your access level back to 49 - if not, jump into #freenode and get a staffer to do that for you |
| 19:46.38 | bradym | set your access level* |
| 19:46.42 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 19:46.55 | brasto | bradym - so 10 is not the top access level? |
| 19:47.01 | bradym | nope |
| 19:47.10 | bradym | 10 is your standard op |
| 19:47.54 | bradym | take a look at the uphpu list, you'll see what i mean: /chanserv access #uphpu list |
| 19:48.49 | herlo | bradym: right |
| 19:48.55 | herlo | brasto: right |
| 19:51.42 | brasto | cool |
| 19:53.28 | bradym | lol |
| 19:54.11 | brasto | bradym , thebigdog & herlo - thanks for y'all's help. As a final note, since I was the channel registrar, I could op myself back to 49. |
| 19:54.37 | bradym | nice.. figured you'd be able to since you were identified as the founder |
| 19:54.58 | *** join/#uphpu timinator (n=timinato@64.65.159.66) |
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| 19:55.11 | timinator | hey guys? |
| 19:55.13 | timinator | anyone around? |
| 19:55.13 | brasto | ~welcome timinator |
| 19:55.14 | jbot | [all in unison] Hi, timinator! |
| 19:55.29 | timinator | I've got a IE 7 user that cannot login |
| 19:55.31 | herlo | ~whallop timinator for asking such a question on a Monday afternoon |
| 19:55.31 | jbot | ACTION gets her boyfriend herlo to whallop timinator for asking such a question on a Monday afternoon until timinator for asking such a question on a Monday afternoon whimpers like a little girl! |
| 19:55.41 | timinator | prob is, dude's unable to accept cookies |
| 19:55.44 | brasto | lol, since we all said "Hi, timinator!" in unison, I'd guess that someone's around... |
| 19:55.52 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:56.11 | timinator | I can login to dude's account in multiple other ways.... |
| 19:56.16 | timinator | so it's the browser |
| 19:56.39 | timinator | and there's other reasons I believe that the browser isn't accepting cookies from my site |
| 19:56.54 | timinator | but, I can go to other sites, and it'll accept their cookies |
| 19:56.58 | timinator | any ideas? |
| 19:57.00 | mgeary | sounds like another firefox convert in the making |
| 19:57.20 | timinator | cause I'm about to put my fist through dude's monitor |
| 19:57.22 | timinator | :) |
| 19:57.28 | timinator | FF++ |
| 19:57.48 | dataw0lf | so, geek lunch on friday? |
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| 19:59.13 | influx^^ | omgwhere |
| 20:00.01 | *** join/#uphpu _psychic___ (n=_psychic@66.7.114.125) |
| 20:00.19 | dataw0lf | influx^^: no I'm just trying to schedule one cuz I'll be in town |
| 20:01.12 | brasto | ~brastolert dataw0lf |
| 20:01.28 | brasto | ??? |
| 20:01.41 | brasto | ~brastalert dataw0lf |
| 20:02.25 | influx^^ | oh. |
| 20:02.32 | influx^^ | let me know what you wrangle. |
| 20:03.10 | thebigdog | timinator, we interviewed your buddy |
| 20:03.16 | timinator | nice |
| 20:03.18 | brasto | someone undefined my brastolert... |
| 20:03.28 | dataw0lf | influx^^: kkk |
| 20:03.46 | brasto | dataw0lf - do you have a place in mind? |
| 20:06.11 | thebigdog | oh yeah there it is |
| 20:06.26 | thebigdog | i needed some ratm today |
| 20:06.44 | thebigdog | all around good music |
| 20:06.57 | dataw0lf | brasto: I dunno, whereever. |
| 20:07.01 | dataw0lf | My girlfriend is coming with. |
| 20:07.12 | PoeticIntensity | anyone interested in the whole 2005 Sony DRM scandal - there's a very detailed document on it here: (long read) |
| 20:07.14 | dataw0lf | she doesn't eat carbs, so any place that has a carb free menu would be nice. |
| 20:07.18 | thebigdog | if you guys do it in slc i might have to come down for lunch |
| 20:07.21 | PoeticIntensity | http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/pub/sonydrm-ext.pdf |
| 20:09.28 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: you should organize a geek lunch on friday in my honor |
| 20:11.36 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: provide me with a portrait of you. |
| 20:11.44 | influx^^ | The larger the better. |
| 20:13.22 | dataw0lf | http://b5.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01546/51/62/1546592615_l.jpg |
| 20:13.25 | dataw0lf | that work? |
| 20:13.34 | mgeary | aaahhhhHHHH! my eyes!! |
| 20:13.38 | thebigdog | show us a new one loser |
| 20:13.41 | influx^^ | Hmm... |
| 20:13.55 | influx^^ | That could work. |
| 20:14.55 | dataw0lf | http://a394.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/97/l_111dabfc7ce5904c7d4bdb4e7978b049.jpg |
| 20:14.58 | dataw0lf | that's the newest picture of me |
| 20:15.03 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: you a$$ |
| 20:15.14 | thebigdog | much love for ya |
| 20:15.20 | dataw0lf | I h8 u! |
| 20:15.23 | dataw0lf | ;-D |
| 20:15.30 | thebigdog | dude...im going to have to make it just to see your ugly mug ^5 |
| 20:15.41 | dataw0lf | ^5 brotha |
| 20:15.54 | timinator | going back to the office..... BRB |
| 20:16.12 | PoeticIntensity | okay..... when is lunch? |
| 20:16.29 | thebigdog | ~wake mindjuju |
| 20:16.29 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:16.38 | thebigdog | as soon as mindjuju gets on the ball |
| 20:27.46 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v _psychic_] by ChanServ |
| 20:38.47 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 20:38.48 | jbot | declares brasto a moron |
| 20:38.55 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:38.58 | PoeticIntensity | nice! |
| 20:39.15 | brasto | lol, that's the first time it's done something at me when I'm the rlart requester... |
| 20:39.24 | PoeticIntensity | First time I've seen it, too. |
| 20:39.34 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 20:39.34 | jbot | hits opapo with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 20:39.45 | brasto | that's better... |
| 20:40.33 | brasto | ~dict Plasto |
| 20:40.46 | brasto | ~wiki Plasto |
| 20:41.58 | brasto | jbot plasto is Extremely large donuts. Sorta like Texas donuts. |
| 20:41.59 | jbot | brasto: okay |
| 20:42.05 | brasto | ~plasto |
| 20:42.05 | jbot | i heard plasto is Extremely large donuts. Sorta like Texas donuts. |
| 20:42.28 | brasto | ~google plasto |
| 20:42.53 | brasto | ~google |
| 20:42.54 | jbot | from memory, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 20:43.29 | influx^^ | ~macarena |
| 20:43.42 | *** join/#uphpu macnewbol1 (n=mac@cg.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 20:43.42 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbol1] by ChanServ |
| 20:44.06 | influx^^ | jbot, The macarena is a hit in New Zealand. |
| 20:44.06 | jbot | okay, influx^^ |
| 20:44.21 | influx^^ | ~Macarena |
| 20:44.21 | jbot | it has been said that macarena is a hit in New Zealand. |
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| 21:35.18 | wps | I'm happy |
| 21:35.54 | mgeary | do share |
| 21:36.10 | wps | I just learned that your account on the server that you are connecting to with a SSH key does not have to have the same username as your local account |
| 21:36.24 | mgeary | aahh. ssh user@domain.com |
| 21:36.34 | mgeary | yeah, that's nice |
| 21:36.59 | wps | I always thought that they had to be the same and therefore have always demanded that IT departments create my user as "wade" instead of "wshearer" because I had set up my SSH key as "wade" and am "wade" on my local machine |
| 21:37.06 | dataw0lf | shore wish mindjuju was here |
| 21:37.32 | _psychic_ | ~lart mindjuju's_absence |
| 21:37.32 | jbot | makes a balloon animal out of mindjuju's_absence |
| 21:37.35 | _psychic_ | whoa |
| 21:37.38 | wps | but you can have a different username on the server if you do "ssh user@domain.com" as you said or "ssh -l username domain.com" |
| 21:38.13 | wps | I like being "wade" instead of "wshearer" |
| 21:38.17 | wps | it's shorter :) |
| 21:38.35 | wps | and "wps" is even shorter! |
| 21:40.28 | *** join/#uphpu timinator (n=timinato@c-67-171-118-199.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:40.28 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v timinator] by ChanServ |
| 21:40.41 | timinator | *sigh |
| 21:40.43 | timinator | crazy day |
| 21:40.53 | timinator | ~monday timinator |
| 21:41.01 | timinator | ~mondays timinator |
| 21:41.02 | jbot | ACTION says looks like timinator 's got a case of the Mondays |
| 21:41.14 | timinator | there we go |
| 21:47.24 | bradym | and the "pointless HTML of the day" award goes to: <b> </b> |
| 21:48.08 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:48.34 | dataw0lf | ehl oh ehl |
| 21:48.38 | timinator | this is interesting: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=paEmbryo_mon19_human_experiments&show_article=1 |
| 21:48.40 | dataw0lf | they wanted their non breaking spaces BIGGER |
| 21:48.51 | bradym | lol - yeah, i guess so |
| 21:50.06 | influx^^ | wtf |
| 21:50.09 | influx^^ | oihajewia |
| 21:50.10 | influx^^ | sorry |
| 21:50.13 | influx^^ | agh |
| 21:51.30 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: not bigger, more emphasized semantically :) |
| 21:52.51 | dataw0lf | rite rite |
| 21:53.39 | _psychic_ | like if I was to leave the room |
| 21:53.41 | bradym | i can guarantee that whoever built the site i found that on knows nothing about semantic empasis... they wanted bigger ;) |
| 21:53.48 | _psychic_ | that space I leave behind is *important* |
| 21:53.51 | bradym | emphasis* |
| 21:55.36 | macnewbold | ~ping mindjuju |
| 21:55.37 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 21:57.40 | dataw0lf | jeepers, mindjuju needs to wake up |
| 21:57.47 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: you down for a geek luncheon on Friday, sir? |
| 22:01.52 | macnewbold | yeah, I think I'm down with that |
| 22:02.02 | macnewbold | you gonna be in town, dataw0lf? |
| 22:04.40 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: yessir. Driving up on Thursday after work with my girlfriend. |
| 22:04.48 | macnewbold | nice |
| 22:04.53 | macnewbold | a chix0r or just a girl? |
| 22:05.05 | macnewbold | or another one of your non-girl "girlfriends"? |
| 22:05.14 | dataw0lf | har har |
| 22:05.16 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:05.21 | macnewbold | sorry, couldn't resist |
| 22:05.28 | macnewbold | I'm low on ohms today |
| 22:05.42 | dataw0lf | she's the managing editor for an online advertising agency, she knows her way around computers, but isn't really a "geek", in the true sense of the word. |
| 22:12.42 | macnewbold | anyone else interested in a geek lunch on friday? |
| 22:14.38 | mgeary | ~ping brasto |
| 22:14.38 | jbot | pong brasto |
| 22:15.42 | mgeary | heya |
| 22:16.18 | mgeary | hearkening back to our discussions on VPNs..., is there a(n easy) way to go from mysql 4.1.21 to 5.x? |
| 22:16.45 | dataw0lf | it's generally actually a fairly easy upgrade to perform, mgeary |
| 22:16.53 | dataw0lf | (I've done it several times now) |
| 22:16.59 | brasto | mgeary, this is on a Verio VPS, right? |
| 22:17.06 | mgeary | yep |
| 22:17.09 | brasto | is it a v3? |
| 22:17.23 | mgeary | no |
| 22:17.27 | mgeary | v2, i'm pretty sure |
| 22:17.51 | brasto | ok, to upgrade to mysql 5.x you'll need to do a ports install then |
| 22:18.20 | brasto | then run an update script on the database files |
| 22:19.12 | mgeary | i've done the mysql4->5 upgrade several times before, but never on Freebsd, and never on a Verio VPS |
| 22:19.35 | brasto | or... you could get a v3 from me for just mysql stuff... |
| 22:20.32 | brasto | :) |
| 22:20.41 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:20.44 | brasto | mgeary, ever done a ports install before? |
| 22:20.49 | brasto | exit |
| 22:20.50 | mgeary | no |
| 22:21.01 | brasto | doh! wrong window again for the exit command... |
| 22:21.08 | mgeary | wanna walk me through it? |
| 22:21.23 | macnewbold | ports installs are easy pretty much |
| 22:21.24 | brasto | sure |
| 22:21.32 | macnewbold | cd /usr/ports/category/appname/ |
| 22:21.40 | macnewbold | sudo make install |
| 22:21.50 | mgeary | now, looks like i'll also need to upgrade my php/mysql driver |
| 22:21.57 | macnewbold | it may ask you some questions, then it just does the Right Thing |
| 22:23.47 | brasto | as macnewbold said - it's relatively easy: |
| 22:24.12 | brasto | cd /ports/databases/mysql50-server |
| 22:24.14 | brasto | or |
| 22:24.26 | brasto | cd /ports/databases/mysql51-server |
| 22:24.41 | brasto | depending on your 5.x :) |
| 22:24.55 | brasto | then if you are root, run |
| 22:25.00 | mgeary | yeah, now can i install this (temporarily) concurrent with the 4.x that's there already? |
| 22:25.00 | brasto | make install clean |
| 22:25.12 | brasto | ah... that's a tad more tricky |
| 22:25.31 | brasto | if not root, run what macnewbold said: sudo make install clean |
| 22:25.41 | mgeary | i'm root atm |
| 22:25.51 | brasto | you'll need to run make |
| 22:26.08 | mgeary | hrm. do i need install the 5.1 client first? |
| 22:26.11 | mgeary | "===> mysql-server-5.1.22 cannot install: MySQL versions mismatch: mysql41-client is installed and wanted version is mysql51-client." |
| 22:26.15 | brasto | then go to /var/build/ports |
| 22:26.30 | brasto | oops, too enter key happy there |
| 22:27.14 | brasto | /var/build/ports/databases/mysql |
| 22:27.18 | brasto | wait |
| 22:27.20 | brasto | yes |
| 22:27.24 | brasto | install the client first |
| 22:27.50 | brasto | do a pkg_info | grep mysql |
| 22:27.56 | jnbek | mgeary: ports will install needed dependencies also, but it doesn't like clashes, you may be able to use something like make -DINSTALL_DIR=/opt/mysql/ install clean but you'll need to check the handbook for that |
| 22:28.25 | brasto | yep, and on the server install, don't do make install, just do make |
| 22:28.35 | brasto | then go to the /var/build/ports |
| 22:29.12 | brasto | you'll need to change .configure from there so that it installs a concurrent mysql server |
| 22:29.20 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/21823/ |
| 22:29.47 | fungus | mgeary: use portupgrade |
| 22:30.09 | fungus | http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html |
| 22:30.11 | brasto | there's a known issue with the ports installs on v2 devices that I believe is resolved, but you are experiencing it anyway mgeary... |
| 22:30.24 | brasto | you can do something like --disable-size-check |
| 22:30.54 | fungus | portupgrade automates the upgrade of dependencies as well. |
| 22:32.17 | mgeary | hrm |
| 22:32.28 | brasto | portupgrade may work on a vps, I'm not sure... |
| 22:32.29 | mgeary | not making much headway |
| 22:32.50 | brasto | I don't think it will since /ports is on another machine, maintained by Verio dudes |
| 22:34.51 | fungus | portupgrade *should* work. |
| 22:36.04 | brasto | mgeary, you can disable the size check permanently in /etc/make.conf |
| 22:36.13 | brasto | I still don't remember the exact directive |
| 22:36.36 | brasto | mysql does not have a freebsd binary, so... |
| 22:36.45 | mgeary | doh |
| 22:36.51 | brasto | however... |
| 22:37.21 | Black_Chaos | http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.0.html#freebsd |
| 22:37.22 | fungus | cd /usr/ports/databases/mysql41-client && make deinstall |
| 22:37.23 | brasto | macnewbold - do you know of a freebsd binary on mysql.com that I've missed? |
| 22:37.37 | fungus | Just try out portupgrade. |
| 22:37.45 | brasto | nm macnewbold, Black_Chaos found it |
| 22:37.48 | mgeary | fungus: you mean just type that at the prompt? |
| 22:38.14 | mgeary | Black_Chaos: but that's for FreeBSD 6.x |
| 22:38.18 | mgeary | i'm running 4.7, apparently |
| 22:38.28 | Black_Chaos | yikes, upgrade |
| 22:38.32 | fungus | 4.7?? |
| 22:38.36 | fungus | dude, that sucks |
| 22:39.07 | brasto | mgeary - that's the OS on a v2 |
| 22:39.10 | brasto | however... |
| 22:39.25 | brasto | :) |
| 22:39.25 | fungus | brasto: what's wrong with upgrading to 4.11? it's not that hard. |
| 22:39.38 | fungus | 4.7 -> 4.11 isn't too bad. |
| 22:40.08 | brasto | fungus - mgeary's machine is a Virtual Private Server not a Physical Server |
| 22:40.22 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 22:40.23 | dataw0lf | so? |
| 22:40.23 | fungus | mgeary: For now, just deinstall mysql41-server, and the client. |
| 22:40.28 | fungus | Then install 51 |
| 22:40.31 | brasto | this means the underlying OS that he cannot touch is FreeBSD 4.7 |
| 22:40.52 | dataw0lf | if it's a virtual private server he can upgrade it all he wants; that's the whole point of userspace kernels. |
| 22:41.02 | brasto | installing FreeBSD on the Virtual Server has never worked yet on a Verio V2 |
| 22:41.15 | fungus | If it is all done with jails, the sysadmins at verio should be upgrading it for him. |
| 22:41.21 | brasto | s/FreeBSD/FreeBSD 6/ |
| 22:42.16 | brasto | fungus: Verio offers new plans with FreeBSD 6 (the same ones I offer for less), but they do not upgrade current plans |
| 22:42.20 | brasto | here's why: |
| 22:42.49 | brasto | You have 100 + people on a physical server, all with a Virtual server account, and root access to that virtual server. |
| 22:42.55 | brasto | you upgrade the server |
| 22:43.12 | fungus | brasto: Is it done with jails, Xen, or other? |
| 22:43.13 | brasto | many of the customers on that server have unknown repercussions |
| 22:43.45 | brasto | I'm not sure on that one fungus |
| 22:44.37 | fungus | Then why couldn't they setup a 4.11 host, and migrate customers |
| 22:44.42 | brasto | A Verio VPS v3 is a better plan anyway because it offers more space, more bandwidth, newer Apache version, newer PHP version, and newer MySQL versions all with automated install scripts. |
| 22:45.05 | brasto | They have thousands and thousands of customers. It would be a huge cost for them |
| 22:45.32 | fungus | so, upgrading OS's is a fact of life. |
| 22:45.37 | brasto | they leave it to their clients. If they want to migrate, then they can do it on their own time. That way, Verio's not to blame for breaking anything. |
| 22:45.43 | brasto | I agree though fungus |
| 22:46.00 | fungus | IMHO, there is no excuse for 4.7. |
| 22:46.05 | brasto | they released FreeBSD 6 servers only a few months ago |
| 22:46.23 | brasto | if it were me I'd have been upgrading all along. |
| 22:46.34 | fungus | it's so old that even 4.11 has been killed off |
| 22:47.07 | mgeary | so if i do that, i'm just going to yank them to a colo |
| 22:47.30 | brasto | mgeary: colo? |
| 22:47.37 | mgeary | colocated server |
| 22:48.05 | fungus | Why does the IP have to change? |
| 22:48.18 | brasto | mgeary, does the IP address matter since people don't generally search for anything by IP? |
| 22:48.32 | mgeary | brasto: it's more a matter of updating DNS on 200 domains |
| 22:48.50 | dataw0lf | influx^^: hey, were you putting together a geek lunch invite? |
| 22:48.54 | brasto | fungus: because when you change to a new server, the IP changes. |
| 22:48.59 | fungus | Why? |
| 22:49.14 | fungus | Can't they just assign his old address to the new server? |
| 22:49.20 | fungus | sounds easy enough to me. |
| 22:49.30 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: Sort of. |
| 22:49.32 | influx^^ | :D |
| 22:49.46 | brasto | it's just the way Verio does it, though since mgeary works through a reseller (fibernet was it?), maybe they will have some pull on Verio to keep your IP address, mgeary... |
| 22:50.02 | mgeary | Fibernet wasn't optimistic about that when last we spoke |
| 22:50.45 | fungus | doh. A consequence of "too much infrastructure"? |
| 22:51.13 | dataw0lf | influx^^: aw jeez. |
| 22:51.31 | dataw0lf | influx^^: btw, I'm bringing a keg of microbrew, which we'll be consuming at HQ |
| 22:51.41 | dataw0lf | so you should, like, come. |
| 22:51.50 | timinator | it's a common trend for companies to push work to the customer |
| 22:52.02 | brasto | mgeary, I found it... add this to /etc/make.conf |
| 22:52.03 | brasto | DISABLE_SIZE=YES |
| 22:52.14 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: Do you know Fizz? |
| 22:52.18 | brasto | then run make on the port install |
| 22:52.24 | dataw0lf | influx^^: of course. |
| 22:52.44 | influx^^ | Cool. It's this Friday? |
| 22:52.50 | mgeary | brasto: it's pulling down the tar.gz file now. that's progress :) |
| 22:52.54 | dataw0lf | influx^^: yeah. |
| 22:53.30 | influx^^ | Alright. I'll be there to take compromising photos of you all. |
| 22:53.44 | dataw0lf | wordalicious. |
| 22:55.22 | thebigdog | fungus just loves to push the limits |
| 22:55.28 | fungus | oh whoops |
| 22:56.01 | mgeary | brasto: got an error in the config |
| 22:56.35 | brasto | mgeary, did the make complete inspite of the error? |
| 22:59.12 | mgeary | brasto: don't think so |
| 22:59.27 | brasto | what was the error? |
| 22:59.28 | mgeary | well, i'm trying "make" now |
| 22:59.31 | mgeary | might work |
| 22:59.40 | brasto | don't install when make is done |
| 23:00.13 | brasto | you'll need to change with ./configure in /var/build/ports |
| 23:00.45 | *** part/#uphpu cole_joplin (n=cjoplin@gw.helius.com) |
| 23:00.49 | mgeary | well, apparently "make" is including "configure" |
| 23:01.07 | mgeary | because when i typed make, it started doing the configure again |
| 23:01.11 | brasto | right, in the ports it does |
| 23:01.13 | mgeary | but it fails |
| 23:01.23 | mgeary | checking HIST_ENTRY is declared in readline/readline.h... |
| 23:01.23 | mgeary | configure: error: Could not find system readline or libedit libraries |
| 23:01.23 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.23 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.25 | mgeary | doh |
| 23:01.26 | mgeary | sorry |
| 23:02.07 | brasto | you should be able to change the configure directives in the location to which the source files get copied when doing a ports install |
| 23:03.27 | mgeary | umm.....? |
| 23:03.46 | mgeary | where/how do i find that location? |
| 23:03.49 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
| 23:04.21 | mgeary | ah |
| 23:04.29 | brasto | ~bye timinator |
| 23:04.30 | jbot | no |
| 23:04.31 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.35 | brasto | lol |
| 23:05.37 | brasto | mgeary - to quote a famous Utah'n that 'is the right place' |
| 23:06.08 | mgeary | k, configure has now completed successfully |
| 23:07.45 | brasto | I've not done a multi-instance install on a freebsd server, so you'll need to check the documentation on that one. |
| 23:08.20 | brasto | ./configure --whatever-directives-to-specify-a-different-path --whatever-other-directives |
| 23:10.34 | brasto | I do remember from my early mysql on Windows days that you'll need a different name for the client and a different one for the server than the current running client and server, but that's a given |
| 23:12.55 | fungus | You don't need to specify configure options when using ports. The port takes care of those.\ |
| 23:13.45 | mgeary | well, make aborts with an error |
| 23:13.53 | fungus | all customization should come in the form of make knobs |
| 23:14.11 | fungus | Otherwise upgrading in the future will hurt |
| 23:14.54 | fungus | mgeary: what is the problem that you are having now? |
| 23:15.49 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/21824/ |
| 23:15.57 | mgeary | "preserve-dup-deps not found" |
| 23:16.18 | brasto | fungus: if you need to do a configuration that a ports install does not support then you have to manually do a configure, do you not? |
| 23:16.40 | fungus | There will almost always be a Make knob for it. |
| 23:16.48 | fungus | Especially in the case of MySQL |
| 23:17.48 | brasto | where do you find all the available make knobs? |
| 23:18.11 | fungus | Usually they are displayed when you try to make it. Or you can always crack open the Makefile |
| 23:18.57 | fungus | mgeary: are you running make inside the work/* directory? |
| 23:19.03 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:19.15 | mgeary | if i do it from the ports dir, it does configure again |
| 23:19.15 | fungus | You should be running make in the port directory itself. |
| 23:19.26 | fungus | example /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-server |
| 23:19.50 | fungus | Otherwise the FreeBSD compatability options and patches are skipped |
| 23:19.51 | mgeary | if i do that, it does ./configure again and doesn't do the "--with-readline", and so it breaks |
| 23:20.25 | fungus | But the port disables the readline requirement |
| 23:20.39 | fungus | If you run make from the correct dir, it will set the correct flags. |
| 23:20.53 | mgeary | well, i just did it again from /ports/databases/mysql50-client |
| 23:20.55 | mgeary | and i get: |
| 23:21.09 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/21825/ |
| 23:21.10 | fungus | Run make in the mysql50-server dir |
| 23:21.17 | fungus | it does both client and server in one shot |
| 23:21.31 | mgeary | if i do that, i get this: |
| 23:21.40 | mgeary | ===> mysql-server-5.0.45_1 cannot install: MySQL versions mismatch: mysql41-client is installed and wanted version is mysql50-client. |
| 23:22.05 | fungus | right, you have to remove 4.1 first |
| 23:22.12 | mgeary | :/ |
| 23:22.31 | mgeary | don't want to put the production server out of commission for that long |
| 23:22.58 | fungus | ack, right. |
| 23:23.29 | fungus | This upgrade should be done carefully. |
| 23:26.22 | fungus | The upgrade from 4.1 to 5.0 should be carefully planned, especially on a production box. |
| 23:26.55 | mgeary | well, if i could get 2 versions running simultanously, it'd be easy |
| 23:27.48 | fungus | To do that you would need to break out of ports/package management. |
| 23:28.20 | fungus | Download the source from mysql.com, and compile it by hand. |
| 23:28.36 | fungus | But expect pain for future upgrades |
| 23:28.36 | mgeary | yeah. ugh |
| 23:29.03 | mgeary | i think i'm just going to set up a new server, bite the bullet and update 200 DNS records and migrate |
| 23:29.33 | fungus | Do you maintain the DNS? |
| 23:29.48 | mgeary | maintain, yes. host the nameserver, no |
| 23:29.49 | fungus | If you do a little sed magic could do it really easy. |
| 23:29.55 | mgeary | we use godaddy's nameservers |
| 23:30.00 | mgeary | so it'll be painful |
| 23:30.05 | fungus | ahh, never used their interface. |
| 23:30.11 | mgeary | it's not bad, really, but still |
| 23:30.42 | fungus | bummer. |
| 23:31.28 | fungus | My preferred method for DNS is to host the master myself, and get some secondary slave DNS servers, and point the world at them. |
| 23:32.06 | brasto | :) |
| 23:32.08 | mgeary | brasto: thanks, but if i have to go through the pain of changing all the DNS records, we'll just put the app on our own server. |
| 23:32.16 | mgeary | but i *do* appreciate all your help |
| 23:32.25 | brasto | glad to help |
| 23:33.08 | brasto | I understand putting it on your own server, too. I choose Verio for my hosting for now because of the automated backups onto other servers. |
| 23:47.30 | orsonj | ~brastolook brasto |
| 23:47.31 | jbot | ACTION looks at W P S, The Big Dog, Mind JuJu, Mac Newbold, and Fun Gus, thinking surely one of them knows the answer to brasto's question... |
| 23:48.03 | orsonj | you never can seem to remember that command can you? |
| 23:48.26 | brasto | that looks suspiciously different... |
| 23:48.47 | orsonj | I did touch it up a bit to avoid the backlash |
| 23:48.52 | brasto | lol |
| 23:49.33 | brasto | I suppose it did ping too many people at once, and it did make wps' finger twitch to the "kick" button... |
| 23:53.19 | orsonj | yep, current incarnation can't break into my local computer and find out what I'm listening to. |
| 23:57.05 | fungus | Depending on your music player, you may be able to expose dbus via ssh forwarded ports. |
