| 00:00.01 | dataw0lf | that's me, fool |
| 00:00.03 | beandog | heh |
| 00:00.04 | PoeticIntensity | go softly, dataw0lf |
| 00:00.33 | Ryu | nice chatting with you dataw0lf, beandog, mindjuju, etc.. |
| 00:00.35 | beandog | go softly? |
| 00:00.37 | dataw0lf | cya bro |
| 00:00.37 | beandog | Ryu, lates |
| 00:00.42 | PoeticIntensity | chao Ryu |
| 00:00.48 | dataw0lf | ciao* |
| 00:00.49 | Ryu | werd! |
| 00:00.53 | beandog | choo |
| 00:01.00 | PoeticIntensity | tschaiu! |
| 00:01.09 | mgeary | ciao |
| 00:01.11 | dataw0lf | bless you |
| 00:01.24 | beandog | oh man |
| 00:01.25 | beandog | that sucks |
| 00:01.26 | beandog | I think? |
| 00:01.28 | beandog | http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/10/03/mysql_sap_netweaver_love-in/ |
| 00:01.40 | beandog | MySQL is getting picked off one by bone. |
| 00:01.42 | beandog | er, one. |
| 00:03.13 | dataw0lf | well, that won't affect MySQL the db engine |
| 00:03.20 | dataw0lf | god I hate SAP, too |
| 00:03.28 | dataw0lf | I had to do net sec for a company that ran SAP |
| 00:03.30 | dataw0lf | what a PITA |
| 00:04.24 | dataw0lf | if someone came up with a viable SAP replacement they'd make millions |
| 00:04.28 | dataw0lf | especially if it was web based. |
| 00:06.16 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, you talkin' about the SAP that is like this behemoth DB engine of sorts? |
| 00:06.31 | PoeticIntensity | the one that like... Coke and GM run as their company back-ends? |
| 00:06.34 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: yea, kinda, it's an ERP superapp |
| 00:06.35 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 00:06.39 | PoeticIntensity | we use it here at work.... |
| 00:06.49 | PoeticIntensity | and I can validate everything you're saying. |
| 00:06.53 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 00:06.57 | dataw0lf | indeed. it sucks. |
| 00:07.05 | PoeticIntensity | I'm trying to create a web-interface for some of its functionality.... |
| 00:07.13 | PoeticIntensity | the Oracle db is an atrocity. |
| 00:07.21 | mindjuju | k, i'm back |
| 00:07.22 | dataw0lf | ya it is. |
| 00:07.25 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 00:07.26 | jbot | it has been said that mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a ibot super teacher, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or 100% lame, or an 80s movie, or has ridiculously bad musical taste |
| 00:07.30 | mindjuju | psh |
| 00:07.34 | mindjuju | all fabrications |
| 00:07.34 | dataw0lf | psh! |
| 00:07.35 | PoeticIntensity | absolutely sickening to anyone knowledgeable at all about normalization. |
| 00:07.46 | mindjuju | ~poeticintensity |
| 00:07.47 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, poeticintensity is a swirling vat of orange juice, or new to the UPHPU channel, but pretty funny, or a beef-wheet, or drives a yellow mustang, or queen of the chick flick, or bored out of his freakin' mind. |
| 00:07.57 | PoeticIntensity | ~beandog |
| 00:07.58 | jbot | hmm... beandog is the gentoo guru |
| 00:08.01 | mindjuju | so it didn't forget it? |
| 00:08.07 | mindjuju | PI, did you want a clean slate? |
| 00:08.08 | PoeticIntensity | evidently not... :-( |
| 00:08.09 | PoeticIntensity | sure. |
| 00:08.15 | PoeticIntensity | I don't really care. |
| 00:08.25 | mindjuju | jbot, forget PoeticIntensity |
| 00:08.29 | PoeticIntensity | jbot: beandog is also a wannabe racer. |
| 00:08.30 | jbot | okay, PoeticIntensity |
| 00:08.32 | PoeticIntensity | ~beandog |
| 00:08.33 | jbot | beandog is, like, the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. |
| 00:09.02 | beandog | ooh. |
| 00:09.15 | dataw0lf | they're related |
| 00:09.47 | dataw0lf | (gentoo guru and wannabe racer) |
| 00:10.00 | mindjuju | jbot, no PoeticIntensity is proud owner of a Mustang |
| 00:10.01 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 00:10.10 | mindjuju | ~PoeticIntensity |
| 00:10.11 | jbot | poeticintensity is probably proud owner of a Mustang |
| 00:10.18 | PoeticIntensity | jbot: beandog is also a skater. |
| 00:10.19 | jbot | okay, PoeticIntensity |
| 00:10.40 | PoeticIntensity | jbot: forget PoeticIntensity |
| 00:10.41 | jbot | PoeticIntensity: i didn't have anything called 'poeticintensity ' to forget |
| 00:11.07 | PoeticIntensity | jbot: no, PoeticIntensity is the proud owner of a Black 2007 Mustang GT. |
| 00:11.07 | jbot | PoeticIntensity: okay |
| 00:11.16 | dataw0lf | jbot, PoeticIntensity is also not Poetic, although he can be Intense |
| 00:11.17 | jbot | okay, dataw0lf |
| 00:11.17 | PoeticIntensity | ~Poeticintensity |
| 00:11.17 | jbot | well, poeticintensity is the proud owner of a Black 2007 Mustang GT. not Poetic, although he can be Intense |
| 00:11.31 | PoeticIntensity | nice... :) |
| 00:11.32 | mindjuju | hilarious |
| 00:11.40 | beandog | lol |
| 00:11.46 | PoeticIntensity | ah... man. |
| 00:11.55 | PoeticIntensity | what a waste of an otherwise potentially productive day. |
| 00:11.57 | dataw0lf | jbot, dataw0lf is also ehl oh ehl |
| 00:11.58 | jbot | dataw0lf: okay |
| 00:12.02 | dataw0lf | ~dataw0lf |
| 00:12.03 | jbot | hmm... dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine, or ehl oh ehl |
| 00:12.08 | PoeticIntensity | what is that, dataw0lf ? |
| 00:12.10 | beandog | lol |
| 00:12.12 | beandog | :) |
| 00:12.14 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 00:12.15 | PoeticIntensity | ehl oh ehl? |
| 00:12.18 | beandog | l o l |
| 00:12.19 | dataw0lf | pronounce it |
| 00:12.29 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 00:12.59 | beandog | ~smack PoeticIntensity |
| 00:13.00 | jbot | ACTION smacks PoeticIntensity upside the head. |
| 00:13.05 | PoeticIntensity | ouch. |
| 00:13.10 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 00:13.10 | jbot | gives beandog a good seeing to |
| 00:13.14 | mindjuju | ~tunafart everybody |
| 00:13.15 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to everybody, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 00:13.15 | PoeticIntensity | bah. |
| 00:13.24 | beandog | ~melvinoops PoeticIntensity |
| 00:13.25 | jbot | ACTION reaches into PoeticIntensity's pants to grab the waistband of PoeticIntensity's Fruit of the Looms, but quickly withdraws it's hand, "ugh, hey everyone PoeticIntensity is going commando today!" |
| 00:13.31 | PoeticIntensity | hehehe.... |
| 00:13.32 | PoeticIntensity | I love that one. |
| 00:13.41 | PoeticIntensity | ~crackskulls beandog mindjuju |
| 00:13.42 | jbot | ACTION grabs beandog mindjuju and mikesmullin 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious. Jbot then turns to poeticintensity to see who else needs a wallop. |
| 00:13.48 | PoeticIntensity | bah??? |
| 00:13.53 | PoeticIntensity | ~crackskulls beandog |
| 00:13.54 | jbot | ACTION grabs beandog and herlo 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious. Jbot then turns to poeticintensity to see who else needs a wallop. |
| 00:14.00 | beandog | poor herlo |
| 00:14.04 | mindjuju | yeah, has a randomizer on it |
| 00:14.13 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 00:14.14 | jbot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking beandog's head off |
| 00:14.16 | dataw0lf | ~jeepers |
| 00:14.17 | PoeticIntensity | yes! |
| 00:14.27 | dataw0lf | awww |
| 00:14.29 | dataw0lf | jeepers is my favorite word |
| 00:14.29 | mindjuju | crackskulls(tm) - another fine product from mindjuju |
| 00:14.38 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, you're da best. |
| 00:14.48 | mindjuju | i think timattack is my best though |
| 00:14.52 | mindjuju | ~timattack dataw0lf |
| 00:14.55 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to go postal on dataw0lf! |
| 00:15.00 | dataw0lf | ~dhit mindjuju |
| 00:15.01 | jbot | ACTION manages to land Gentoo Install Time on mindjuju, freezing him for days |
| 00:15.02 | PoeticIntensity | right ON! |
| 00:15.08 | mindjuju | ~timattack dataw0lf |
| 00:15.09 | jbot | ACTION grabs an axe and starts to go postal on dataw0lf! |
| 00:15.10 | beandog | lols |
| 00:15.15 | dataw0lf | ~dhit mindjuju |
| 00:15.16 | jbot | ACTION appears right behind mindjuju and slaps him in the back of the head |
| 00:15.25 | mindjuju | ~macattack dataw0lf |
| 00:15.26 | jbot | ACTION uses a paperclip to hotwire dataw0lf's car! |
| 00:15.33 | dataw0lf | ~bdhit mindjuju |
| 00:15.34 | jbot | ACTION and dataw0lf demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on mindjuju's forehead |
| 00:15.43 | mindjuju | ~macattack dataw0lf |
| 00:15.44 | jbot | ACTION mixes nitrate, cellulose and acide to make nitor manite and lobs it at dataw0lf... Boom ! |
| 00:15.49 | dataw0lf | whatever happened to bigdog? |
| 00:15.52 | dataw0lf | I never see him anymore |
| 00:15.58 | PoeticIntensity | he's around. |
| 00:15.59 | dataw0lf | ~dhit mindjuju |
| 00:16.00 | jbot | ACTION performs Dog Collar of the Heavens on mindjuju |
| 00:16.01 | mindjuju | he was here day before yesterday |
| 00:16.02 | PoeticIntensity | he was here yesterday. |
| 00:16.06 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 00:16.07 | mindjuju | ~oreilly dataw0lf |
| 00:16.08 | jbot | ACTION releases bill o'reilly from his basement cell! Sic 'em boy! dataw0lf is left in tatters... |
| 00:16.08 | PoeticIntensity | er.... yeah |
| 00:16.15 | PoeticIntensity | ~seen thebigdog |
| 00:16.19 | jbot | thebigdog <n=bigdog@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 1h 34m 38s ago, saying: 'SunSparc, you can do anything you want bro'. |
| 00:16.22 | dataw0lf | alright gentlemen |
| 00:16.26 | mindjuju | yeah, not a big o'Reilly fan |
| 00:16.28 | dataw0lf | I'm out of here |
| 00:16.32 | mindjuju | cya dataw0lf |
| 00:16.33 | PoeticIntensity | take care... |
| 00:16.38 | beandog | eat japanes |
| 00:16.39 | beandog | e |
| 00:16.40 | PoeticIntensity | be nice to the ladies. |
| 00:16.41 | beandog | fail. |
| 00:19.31 | mgeary | later folks |
| 00:19.36 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 00:19.37 | PoeticIntensity | ~adios |
| 00:19.38 | jbot | well, adios is goodbye in spanish |
| 00:23.30 | PoeticIntensity | ~chao |
| 00:25.34 | beandog | heh |
| 00:26.16 | mindjuju | PHP work with IIS ! |
| 00:26.28 | PoeticIntensity | oh man... I don't envy you. |
| 00:26.34 | PoeticIntensity | not one bit. |
| 00:32.49 | beandog | mindjuju, you just barely got it? |
| 00:32.50 | beandog | freak |
| 00:32.51 | beandog | O.o |
| 00:32.55 | beandog | its such a pita. |
| 00:33.42 | mindjuju | no, was yelling that PHP should work with IIS |
| 00:36.24 | PoeticIntensity | it's mind-boggling how popular Windows is... |
| 00:36.51 | PoeticIntensity | it's a testament to both the "spoon-feedability" of humanity, and the power of marketing. |
| 00:37.08 | PoeticIntensity | because HEAVENS KNOWS it's not the technology. |
| 00:37.37 | mindjuju | well, MS did help standardize the clone market way back when |
| 00:37.45 | mindjuju | sure, they used strongarm tactics, but... |
| 00:39.12 | PoeticIntensity | All I'm saying is.... I'm amazed that something can be such as Windows / Office is, and have become the industry standard. |
| 00:39.24 | PoeticIntensity | have = have it. |
| 00:40.15 | *** join/#uphpu influx^^ (i=influx@hektik.org) |
| 00:40.46 | PoeticIntensity | 90% of all computer users don't even know they have a choice! |
| 00:40.53 | PoeticIntensity | I mean... Imagine if cars were that way. |
| 00:41.17 | PoeticIntensity | "Here... This is your car.... and..... enjoy." |
| 00:41.38 | PoeticIntensity | anyway.... |
| 00:41.48 | mindjuju | sorry, having to talk to son about being good on the phone |
| 00:41.54 | PoeticIntensity | nooo problem. |
| 00:41.59 | PoeticIntensity | 'tis the nature of IRC. |
| 00:42.01 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 00:47.17 | mindjuju | totally agree on the comps being sold with Windows wihtout the option of Linux or other OSs |
| 00:47.29 | PoeticIntensity | it's marketing genius. |
| 00:47.44 | mindjuju | well, it hastens the end, is all |
| 00:47.45 | PoeticIntensity | how many people do you know who are truly "happy" with their computer. |
| 00:48.02 | PoeticIntensity | most people I know have things which annoy the crap out of them with their computer... |
| 00:48.05 | PoeticIntensity | yet, they just accept it. |
| 00:48.12 | mindjuju | no, not saying that |
| 00:48.15 | PoeticIntensity | "viruses" are part of computing, so most people say. |
| 00:48.18 | PoeticIntensity | (I am) |
| 00:48.19 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 00:48.36 | mindjuju | i'm saying that because of Market Saturation, MS will eventually drown itself out |
| 00:48.37 | PoeticIntensity | what irks me is the fact that people have no idea there are choices out there. |
| 00:48.47 | mindjuju | people begin to look at the alternatives |
| 00:48.47 | PoeticIntensity | please explain... |
| 00:49.25 | PoeticIntensity | not sure what "market saturation" means in this context. |
| 00:49.30 | mindjuju | The more an item is available in the market place, typically the cheaper and in less regard it becomes |
| 00:50.12 | mindjuju | in this sense, i'm using it to say that people who have been windows all their life start to want to find something "new", "different" |
| 00:50.43 | mindjuju | i think ubuntu is well situated to enjoy the benefits of people starting to look for alternatives |
| 00:50.56 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 00:51.04 | mindjuju | at least, that's what I think |
| 00:51.10 | PoeticIntensity | can you give me a position in history where that has happened before? |
| 00:51.15 | PoeticIntensity | I'm still grasping the concept. |
| 00:51.20 | PoeticIntensity | (in any industry) |
| 00:51.39 | beandog | I wonder if anyone else in Utah is working on embedded stuff |
| 00:51.56 | mindjuju | Xerox |
| 00:52.07 | mindjuju | now everybody and their pappy makes a copier |
| 00:52.12 | mindjuju | but before, it was just one |
| 00:52.16 | mindjuju | IBM |
| 00:52.28 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha... |
| 00:52.41 | mindjuju | and IBM faux pas with "mandating" ps2 architecture |
| 00:52.44 | mindjuju | do you remember that? |
| 00:52.47 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 00:52.55 | mindjuju | how violently the market turned on IBM, and it seemed almost overnight |
| 00:53.01 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 00:53.05 | mindjuju | i think we are seeing that with Vista |
| 00:53.14 | mindjuju | not quite to the same degree, but similar |
| 00:53.21 | mindjuju | people HATE vista |
| 00:53.50 | mindjuju | they know they are being ripped off by MS, they have to decide on 5 flavors of an OS, when Linux is free |
| 00:54.05 | mindjuju | SUSE had some way cool aero type effects a couple of years before Vista |
| 00:54.11 | mindjuju | and without the hardware upgrade required |
| 00:54.18 | PoeticIntensity | I've used XGL. |
| 00:54.31 | PoeticIntensity | hrm..... |
| 00:54.36 | PoeticIntensity | the more I think about it, the more I agree with ya, mindjuju |
| 00:54.57 | mindjuju | i'm just waiting for the Google wave |
| 00:55.05 | PoeticIntensity | right.... |
| 00:55.24 | PoeticIntensity | I love Google, but .... they've currently got a lot of power, and that scares me. |
| 00:55.32 | PoeticIntensity | their apps are friggin' brilliant. |
| 00:55.33 | mindjuju | yeah, true |
| 00:55.38 | mindjuju | totally agree |
| 00:55.59 | PoeticIntensity | if Google could make an OS as "cool" as their other apps.... |
| 00:56.03 | PoeticIntensity | they'd have a chance. |
| 00:56.10 | mindjuju | it's amazing how Google just seems to "win" inspite of MS |
| 00:56.19 | PoeticIntensity | true... |
| 00:56.27 | PoeticIntensity | it's because Google doesn't assume anything. |
| 00:56.41 | PoeticIntensity | they build *much* better apps than MS. |
| 00:56.49 | PoeticIntensity | based on a load of factors that MS takes for granted. |
| 00:57.15 | PoeticIntensity | anyway.... |
| 00:57.15 | mindjuju | well, I don't think Google will ever make an OS. Sure they have their own flavor of Linux (variant of ubuntu) but i think they are situating themselves for the market of a myriad of OSs |
| 00:57.15 | PoeticIntensity | I just like seeing healthy competition, is all. |
| 00:57.37 | PoeticIntensity | well they're succeeding at that, for sure. |
| 00:57.43 | PoeticIntensity | seems like everyone loves google. |
| 00:57.50 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 00:57.57 | PoeticIntensity | in the past 6 months, at least half of my family has got a gmail account. |
| 00:57.59 | influx^^ | not me |
| 00:58.00 | influx^^ | i hate google |
| 00:58.01 | PoeticIntensity | and they're not geeks. |
| 00:58.10 | PoeticIntensity | and they *LOVE* gmail now. |
| 00:58.12 | PoeticIntensity | as I do. |
| 00:58.12 | mindjuju | why is that influx^^ ? |
| 00:58.18 | influx^^ | because I don't work there. :( |
| 00:58.21 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 00:58.22 | PoeticIntensity | niiice. |
| 00:58.23 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:58.33 | PoeticIntensity | I'm proud to say that I personally know someone who works there. |
| 00:58.42 | PoeticIntensity | and he's a friggin' prodigy with programming. |
| 00:58.53 | mindjuju | that is so cool |
| 00:58.57 | PoeticIntensity | his name is Chris Monson... |
| 00:59.07 | PoeticIntensity | has a PH-D in artificial intelligence. |
| 00:59.16 | PoeticIntensity | freakin' nutso. |
| 00:59.31 | PoeticIntensity | yup yup yup.... |
| 00:59.38 | PoeticIntensity | He even taught my Java class at UVSC for one evening. |
| 00:59.52 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 01:00.03 | PoeticIntensity | *very* cool guy, too. |
| 01:00.17 | beandog | if Google made an OS thene veryone would sue them |
| 01:00.21 | beandog | it would be bad for everything. |
| 01:00.30 | influx^^ | Why would Google get sued? |
| 01:00.40 | beandog | because they have bazillions of $$$ |
| 01:00.47 | beandog | and theyd likely settle than go to court. |
| 01:00.58 | mindjuju | MS is already picking on them hardcore |
| 01:01.03 | beandog | alright Im outta |
| 01:01.07 | beandog | gnite all |
| 01:01.07 | mindjuju | cya beandog |
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| 01:08.38 | mindjuju | in disguise! |
| 01:10.03 | fungus | yup |
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| 01:27.24 | PoeticIntensity | ugh... anyone here know how to force pgsql to use an index? |
| 01:28.25 | mindjuju | sorry don't, but I'll see if i can find something |
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| 01:29.25 | PoeticIntensity | here's something.... |
| 01:29.26 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.2/interactive/runtime-config-query.html |
| 01:30.56 | mindjuju | this is just one persons opinion, but... http://www.mydatabasesupport.com/forums/postgresql/248839-postgres-8-2-there-way-force-execution-plan.html |
| 01:32.26 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... good stuff. |
| 01:33.27 | mindjuju | k, this thread says the same thing... http://www.mail-archive.com/pgsql-performance@postgresql.org/msg01945.html |
| 01:33.49 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I've gotta run some vacuum commands... |
| 01:33.54 | mindjuju | wish thebigdog was here though |
| 01:33.55 | PoeticIntensity | still gettin' the hang of this pgsql stuff. |
| 01:33.57 | PoeticIntensity | (me too) |
| 01:40.30 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for your help, mindjuju . |
| 01:41.09 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
| 01:43.51 | mindjuju | ugh, i've totally learned my lesson. no more debating on days i'm overbooked with projects, i lost an hour today debating and though i caught it back up @ lunch, one of the projects took extra long and now i'm like 2hrs behind |
| 01:44.22 | PoeticIntensity | ouch. |
| 01:44.45 | PoeticIntensity | and I've gotta remember to check in often enough to even know there's a debate happening which I'm pretty passionate about! |
| 01:44.47 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 01:45.25 | mindjuju | :) -- the really sad part is that i didn't pack a dinner so i'm having to pull out the emergency PB & J! |
| 01:45.34 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 01:45.35 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 01:46.15 | mindjuju | so out of curiosity, which side of the debate do you find yourself? |
| 01:52.00 | PoeticIntensity | about DRM? |
| 01:52.06 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 01:52.08 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 01:52.15 | PoeticIntensity | here's where I stand: |
| 01:52.26 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=personal_entry&eid=3262&user=1 |
| 01:52.50 | PoeticIntensity | I missed the debate entirely, so... if the debate was more general than that, please do tell. |
| 01:54.47 | mindjuju | we see things very similarly, the debate was mainly about that |
| 01:54.58 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... so.... |
| 01:55.19 | PoeticIntensity | I think it's absurd that the RIAA or whatever thinks they can tell me how to contain my digital media. |
| 01:55.32 | PoeticIntensity | I bought the stinkin' music, or movie... |
| 01:55.46 | mindjuju | true that |
| 01:55.53 | mindjuju | i'm a big advocate of consumer rights |
| 01:56.02 | PoeticIntensity | it's wrong to give it to someone else (permanently), but for me to use it...??? I can make a zillion copies for my zillion digital devices if need be. |
| 01:56.36 | PoeticIntensity | I think piracy is bad. It's stealing. |
| 01:57.02 | PoeticIntensity | but retaining a back-up copy (or seven thousand) so my kids don't destroy what I rightfully own IS NOT PIRACY. |
| 01:57.42 | mindjuju | true that, i make rips of DVDs to protect them long term |
| 01:59.29 | PoeticIntensity | I rip em' to store em' in my computer, to later watch at my leisure on my mythtv theater. |
| 02:00.01 | mindjuju | well, _psychic_ had some good points that I just don't agree with, but i could see where he was going. We left the debate in a way that we could easily pick it back up again. |
| 02:00.12 | PoeticIntensity | fantastic. |
| 02:00.23 | PoeticIntensity | Is it written anywhere, this notion that I cannot make backup copies for myself? |
| 02:00.50 | PoeticIntensity | I'd have a hard time seeing the point of view which stated that such an action should be considered piracy. |
| 02:01.06 | mindjuju | well, _psychic_ feels that if the EULA or music license says that, then it's solid |
| 02:01.22 | mindjuju | i argue that contract is flawed and not enforceable |
| 02:01.26 | PoeticIntensity | as solid as the laws were in the wild-wild west. |
| 02:01.29 | PoeticIntensity | I agree. |
| 02:01.42 | PoeticIntensity | digital mediums have only been around since the early 80's. |
| 02:02.00 | PoeticIntensity | to be able to create laws to govern a technology so new is pretty aggressive. |
| 02:02.23 | PoeticIntensity | I don't think they're even near creating laws that will encompass the digital medium in its entirety. |
| 02:02.39 | PoeticIntensity | EULAs are just a try to cover someone's behind. |
| 02:02.48 | PoeticIntensity | "a try" = "an attempt" |
| 02:02.57 | mindjuju | true that. |
| 02:03.14 | PoeticIntensity | I think that, until the laws are fleshed out more, people should just act in a decent manner. |
| 02:03.33 | mindjuju | Makes me so mad that Orrin took money from the RIAA the year he coauthored DMCA |
| 02:03.51 | PoeticIntensity | telling me that I can't make copies of something I bought, for my use is, in my head, a flexing of supposed power which isn't had. |
| 02:04.09 | PoeticIntensity | I wasn't aware of that. |
| 02:04.19 | PoeticIntensity | that's freakin' insane. |
| 02:04.20 | mindjuju | exactly my argument, the contract is exercising powers not given to them |
| 02:04.21 | PoeticIntensity | is that documented? |
| 02:04.36 | mindjuju | yeah, its a matter of public record |
| 02:04.44 | PoeticIntensity | I'd like to read that..... |
| 02:04.47 | PoeticIntensity | that's a shame. |
| 02:04.52 | mindjuju | he has to disclose, there are several websites where it lists all contributions to senators |
| 02:05.02 | PoeticIntensity | I'll search for it. |
| 02:05.08 | mindjuju | what's better, and equally documented, his his idea of enforcement of the DMCA |
| 02:05.19 | PoeticIntensity | I'd like to read that as well. |
| 02:05.58 | PoeticIntensity | alright, buddy.... My wife needs my help... I'm still at work and she's had a hard day... |
| 02:06.00 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta jet. |
| 02:06.06 | mindjuju | cya |
| 02:06.17 | PoeticIntensity | but count on me (or at least ping me) if any discussion pipes up tomorrow... :) |
| 02:06.36 | mindjuju | k |
| 02:07.16 | PoeticIntensity | ty |
| 02:07.16 | PoeticIntensity | chao |
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| 03:39.34 | mindjuju | yeah, a lot of things said today |
| 03:40.21 | mindjuju | how are you doing? |
| 03:40.42 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I'm back. |
| 03:40.54 | mindjuju | sup PoeticIntensity |
| 03:41.00 | mindjuju | man, i feel bad |
| 03:41.04 | mindjuju | pissed off a good friend |
| 03:41.23 | PoeticIntensity | ah... I hate that. |
| 03:41.56 | mindjuju | well, first i scold him for using remote desktop over the internet no VPN |
| 03:42.18 | mindjuju | then i scold him more for trying to share out drives so that his server can read his DVD, again without VPN |
| 03:42.50 | mindjuju | then I laughed and thought he was joking when he said he was taking courses to start pushing MS Forefront, the MS software firewall |
| 03:43.12 | mindjuju | first, didn't believe they made one, but realized they did, and MS is apparently serious about it |
| 03:43.20 | mindjuju | http://www.microsoft.com/forefront/default.mspx |
| 03:43.58 | mindjuju | kinda makes me mad though, that MS would offer this stuff as an addon. Like a car dealership making seatbelts an addon |
| 03:44.01 | mindjuju | or headlights |
| 03:44.15 | orsonj | I'm doing allright, need to read that pdf about file upload. |
| 03:45.23 | mindjuju | oh, by the way PoeticIntensity, here is the first thing i found on Orrin taking money. i know he's received monies several times from RIAA though, as the contribution i saw was much more |
| 03:45.24 | mindjuju | http://consumerist.com/consumer/worst-company-in-america/contact-information-for-50-politicians-who-take-campaign-money-from-the-riaa-264638.php |
| 03:45.24 | orsonj | right now working on this test question cms |
| 03:45.51 | orsonj | security updates also. makes irc really slow :( |
| 03:47.23 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity, go to the bottom of this page and you'll see businessweek quote itself from previous on the words Orrin said about blow up computer -- http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2005/tc20051117_444162.htm |
| 03:47.51 | mindjuju | anyways, enough orrin bashing for tonight, i'm nearly caught up! |
| 03:49.57 | orsonj | I didn't used to get mad at people misremembering my name as orrin, but the last little while I try to make sure there is no association. |
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| 04:03.24 | mindjuju | well gents, i'm off for the house to get some food, i'll be back on in about 45 minutes |
| 04:04.15 | orsonj | enjoy |
| 04:04.43 | PoeticIntensity | adios, mindjuju |
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| 13:46.17 | fabio | hello |
| 13:46.25 | fabio | everybody |
| 13:47.59 | timinator | morning |
| 13:48.41 | fabio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:00.34 | timinator | sure.... I'll help if I can |
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| 14:47.22 | mindjuju | ^5 thebigdog |
| 14:47.30 | thebigdog | ^5 mindjuju |
| 14:47.54 | mindjuju | the minute you walked out the IRC, like 20 billion postgreSQL questions |
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| 14:54.34 | thebigdog | last night |
| 14:54.49 | thebigdog | ok who is here that is reading this |
| 14:56.07 | thebigdog | wow i got free swag and no one is reading |
| 14:56.18 | mindjuju | i'm here |
| 14:56.23 | mgeary | i'm here |
| 14:56.27 | thebigdog | you dont count |
| 14:56.32 | mgeary | figures |
| 14:56.47 | thebigdog | ding ding...and we have a winner....mgeary....yeah |
| 14:57.04 | mgeary | whatdja win? |
| 14:57.06 | thebigdog | jbot tell mgeary what he has won |
| 14:57.21 | mindjuju | prolly a knuckle sandwich |
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| 14:57.34 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 14:57.40 | thebigdog | mgeary, what is your email address |
| 14:57.47 | jsmith | thebigdog: Free swag? |
| 14:57.50 | thebigdog | pm it to me |
| 14:58.14 | mgeary | sent, with some trepidation |
| 14:58.48 | mindjuju | mgeary, careful, it's prolly a pair of old boxers |
| 14:58.57 | thebigdog | mgeary, is the proud owner of a new php ebook |
| 15:01.39 | mindjuju | heh heh ... what the! How did that picture get on there?!? - nudie pic shows up instead of presentation - state representative baffled ! - http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2007-10-03-porn-politics_N.htm?csp=34 |
| 15:02.55 | mindjuju | <drumRoll>terribly bad pun coming</drumRoll> Talk about porn on a stick! |
| 15:04.07 | timinator | who makes PHP eBooks? |
| 15:04.17 | thebigdog | most publishers do now |
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| 15:13.44 | dataw0lf | g'morning |
| 15:13.53 | mindjuju | morn |
| 15:16.40 | brasto | ~swag |
| 15:16.40 | jbot | Silly Wild-Assed Guess |
| 15:17.10 | dataw0lf | who has swag? |
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| 15:17.19 | mindjuju | thebigdog did |
| 15:17.27 | dataw0lf | oh ya? what? |
| 15:17.37 | mindjuju | PHP ebook |
| 15:17.41 | dataw0lf | ah, word |
| 15:17.42 | mindjuju | but i guess it was that one |
| 15:18.19 | thebigdog | it is gone now |
| 15:18.34 | thebigdog | mgeary is the proud owner |
| 15:18.37 | mindjuju | so dataw0lf, would you ever enable file/print sharing on a computer with a public IP? |
| 15:18.53 | thebigdog | oh yeah that would be cool to see |
| 15:19.40 | mindjuju | what about remoting over to a computer with just windows remote desktop, no VPN? |
| 15:20.15 | brasto | mindjuju, thebigdog: but you can make copies of an ebook with file, save... |
| 15:20.53 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: No. |
| 15:21.13 | dataw0lf | and no. |
| 15:21.15 | mindjuju | i ask because a friend of mine was doing that last night, and i slapped him around a bit and said, no, that was dumb security risk |
| 15:21.32 | thebigdog | brasto, that would be illegal |
| 15:21.39 | mindjuju | he gets all pissy and tells me he's trained in MS Forefront and he's a security consultant now |
| 15:21.47 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: ehl oh ehl |
| 15:22.00 | mindjuju | i kinda laugh at the guy, cause i didn't know MS had a security product and thought it was a joke |
| 15:22.07 | mindjuju | and then he got REALLY pissy |
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| 15:22.16 | dataw0lf | brasto: weren't you against downloading music illegally last night? |
| 15:22.23 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: heh. |
| 15:22.28 | dataw0lf | Microsoft certified people. |
| 15:22.32 | dataw0lf | they make my skin crawl. |
| 15:22.54 | mindjuju | i did some research on forefront, turns out its based on OneCare, software based firewall |
| 15:23.07 | brasto | wait a minute... dataw0lf says: who has swag (Silly Wise-Assed Guess), mindjuju says thebigdog has a [Silly Wise-Assed Guess], and thebigdog says he does, but what he has is actually a book??? |
| 15:23.18 | brasto | jk - I realized that swag is that one publisher now... |
| 15:23.27 | dataw0lf | no. |
| 15:23.30 | dataw0lf | swag is free stuff. |
| 15:23.47 | mindjuju | typically a shirt or book |
| 15:23.57 | dataw0lf | or stickers. |
| 15:24.01 | mindjuju | or the standard plastic coffee mug |
| 15:24.03 | mgeary | as opposed to tchotkes |
| 15:24.11 | brasto | dataw0lf , thebigdog: I didn't realize at the time I made the "file, save" comment that it was a copyrighted book. |
| 15:24.13 | mgeary | which is invariably plastic molded, branded crap |
| 15:24.24 | mindjuju | exactly mgeary |
| 15:24.30 | mindjuju | and there is only like 3 colors |
| 15:24.42 | mindjuju | green, black and the mega super rare, silver |
| 15:25.00 | dataw0lf | oh... that's the good stuff... |
| 15:25.32 | drip | the left half of my brain must be on a sugar high.. my right arm is going crazy. |
| 15:25.36 | brasto | on today's copyrighted books topic I say this: Whenever I buy one, I take a screenshot of every page, OCR it, and save it in OpenOffice format, but never distribute it. I do this because if you ever format your computer, you may never be able to read your ebook again. |
| 15:26.00 | mindjuju | uh, unless you gmail it to yourself |
| 15:26.04 | mindjuju | and then it stays there forever |
| 15:26.08 | mindjuju | accessible everywhere |
| 15:26.14 | dataw0lf | or any other online backup solution |
| 15:26.15 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 15:26.15 | brasto | mindjuju, that doesn't work for some ebook |
| 15:26.18 | brasto | ebooks |
| 15:26.28 | dataw0lf | I just scatter everything across the net |
| 15:26.33 | mindjuju | most eBooks are pdf |
| 15:26.36 | brasto | some ebooks can only be opened on one computer |
| 15:26.38 | mindjuju | though some are chm |
| 15:26.48 | brasto | yes, I'm talking about a pdf ebook |
| 15:26.58 | mindjuju | yeah, some have that special eBook locking on it |
| 15:27.04 | brasto | it was encrypted so only Acrobat Reader could open it |
| 15:27.09 | dataw0lf | that takes about half a second to break |
| 15:27.19 | mindjuju | ^5 dataw0lf |
| 15:27.22 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 15:27.28 | mindjuju | consumer rights baby! |
| 15:27.33 | mindjuju | don't be treading on me! |
| 15:27.38 | dataw0lf | you know it |
| 15:28.38 | dataw0lf | work smarter, not harder |
| 15:29.51 | brasto | lol, at the time I didn't know of anything to crack it. now that I'm more into Linux, I probably could find something. Linux users have a vested interest in hacking these things since people can only open those ebooks in Windows Acrobat Reader. |
| 15:30.15 | timinator | Windows-- |
| 15:30.23 | orsonj | heh, todays quote of the day is good: We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex--but Congress can. - Cullen Hightower |
| 15:30.34 | brasto | lol |
| 15:30.34 | mindjuju | nice |
| 15:30.37 | influx^^ | :] |
| 15:30.42 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:33.33 | mindjuju | gots to start this day out well cause i got tons to do |
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| 15:46.14 | jason_ | wha...? |
| 15:46.16 | jason_ | ergh. |
| 15:46.27 | jason_ | will someone kick PoeticIntensity ? |
| 15:46.31 | jason_ | so I can become him? |
| 15:46.31 | jason_ | :) |
| 15:47.11 | mindjuju | jason_ how do we know you're PI? |
| 15:47.16 | jason_ | uhhh.... |
| 15:47.19 | jason_ | because gentoo rocks? |
| 15:47.22 | dataw0lf | ew |
| 15:47.23 | mindjuju | what kind of car do you drive? |
| 15:47.24 | dataw0lf | it's him |
| 15:47.24 | jason_ | aaaaand...... |
| 15:47.28 | jason_ | a Pinto. :) |
| 15:47.34 | jason_ | LOL |
| 15:47.39 | jason_ | 2007 Mustang GT |
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| 15:47.46 | jason_ | thankee. |
| 15:48.14 | jason_ | uhh... |
| 15:48.19 | jason_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.20 | dataw0lf | jason_, kicking PoeticIntensity won't help |
| 15:48.25 | jason_ | ...? |
| 15:48.29 | thebigdog | let me help |
| 15:48.30 | dataw0lf | use /msg nickserv recover poeticintensity <password> |
| 15:48.32 | mindjuju | well, i aim to please |
| 15:48.33 | *** kick/#uphpu [jason_!n=bigdog@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net] by thebigdog (thebigdog) |
| 15:48.41 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 15:48.47 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 15:49.00 | thebigdog | u...sorry |
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| 15:49.17 | jason_ | grr.... now it's saying my password is incorrect. |
| 15:49.35 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 15:49.39 | jason_ | bah... |
| 15:49.43 | jason_ | whatever.... it'll sort itself out. |
| 15:49.59 | PoeticIntensity_ | good 'nuff. |
| 15:50.28 | dataw0lf | try /msg nickserv ghost poeticintensity <password> |
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| 15:51.40 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 15:51.49 | PoeticIntensity | I'm tellin' ya, dataw0lf, you're a genius... |
| 15:52.13 | brasto | PoeticIntensity_ - use this: |
| 15:52.23 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: I know. |
| 15:52.33 | brasto | [nospace]/ghost PoeticIntensity |
| 15:52.40 | PoeticIntensity | brasto.... thanks, man. |
| 15:53.29 | mgeary | "i dunno guys...." |
| 15:53.34 | brasto | lol, I just noticed dataw0lf already gave the correct method - I was missing a bit of it... |
| 15:53.36 | mgeary | "i'm not sure it's really 'im" |
| 15:53.39 | PoeticIntensity | wha....? I'm an imposter? |
| 15:54.00 | PoeticIntensity | just because you won some swag, mgeary, doesn't mean you have to act all snooty. |
| 15:55.36 | PoeticIntensity | not sure if you knew, dataw0lf, but I'm giving XFCE a try... |
| 15:55.44 | PoeticIntensity | I heard you like it or some junk... |
| 15:56.15 | brasto | ~woot |
| 15:56.16 | jbot | i heard woot is an ANU student and programmer, and a person with questionable paternal heritage that doesn't realize the bot is in numerous channels, not just his. |
| 15:56.36 | brasto | ~w00t |
| 15:56.37 | jbot | w00t!!! |
| 15:56.46 | brasto | ??? |
| 15:57.39 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: yea, I'm a fan. |
| 15:58.14 | PoeticIntensity | wow... Should an imposter ever come in here posing as me, I feel confident you guys would rat him out... |
| 15:58.39 | brasto | woot... isn't that the sound people make when dancing to Mony Mony? You know: grunt, grunt-grunt woot woot |
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| 16:01.13 | brasto | wait, reverse that Mony Mony (Billy Idol) chant.. I believe it's: "woot, woot-woot grunt-grunt"... |
| 16:02.04 | orsonj | or is it "toow toow tnurg-tnurg ,tnurg"? |
| 16:03.50 | PoeticIntensity | yo, thebigdog, I believe mindjuju was referring to me this morning as the "20 million questions about postgres" last night. |
| 16:03.57 | PoeticIntensity | got a second to answer something that's befuddling me? |
| 16:04.01 | thebigdog | sure |
| 16:04.04 | PoeticIntensity | ok.... |
| 16:04.11 | PoeticIntensity | I'm running an *extremely* simple query. |
| 16:04.20 | PoeticIntensity | SELECT sty.material_id AS material_id FROM sales_two_years sty |
| 16:04.27 | PoeticIntensity | and the darn thing isn't using an index..... |
| 16:04.34 | PoeticIntensity | yet, I have almost every column in the table indexed... |
| 16:04.51 | thebigdog | have you run explain on the query |
| 16:04.52 | PoeticIntensity | however... when I add a simple "where" (on practically any column), it uses an index. |
| 16:04.54 | PoeticIntensity | (yes) |
| 16:05.04 | PoeticIntensity | Seq Scan on sales_two_years sty (cost=0.00..219250.62 rows=3360662 width=22) |
| 16:05.07 | PoeticIntensity | that's the explain |
| 16:05.26 | thebigdog | explain verbose |
| 16:05.31 | PoeticIntensity | ok... one sec. |
| 16:06.03 | PoeticIntensity | wow... uhh.... want me to pastebin it? |
| 16:06.10 | PoeticIntensity | it's long. |
| 16:06.10 | thebigdog | now indexes are used when there is a where clause |
| 16:06.37 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... I assume it could find a suitable index without one... but I could be wrong. |
| 16:07.20 | thebigdog | if you are selecting on the entire table then the index will not be used |
| 16:07.32 | PoeticIntensity | crud.... why not? |
| 16:07.41 | PoeticIntensity | because I've got to select the entire table.... |
| 16:07.42 | thebigdog | cause you are not searching for a criteria |
| 16:07.53 | thebigdog | searching by criteria |
| 16:08.15 | PoeticIntensity | that seems strange to me, but I'm a total n00b when it comes to this stuff (for the most part) |
| 16:08.40 | PoeticIntensity | ugh... I've gotta find a way to make it use an index because it takes like 5 seconds for it to run through the 3 million rows. |
| 16:08.41 | orsonj | so, it takes the same ammount of time to select the _entire_ table using an index as without an index |
| 16:08.50 | PoeticIntensity | oh no... |
| 16:08.53 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, use a where clause |
| 16:08.57 | PoeticIntensity | with index is definitely *MUCH* faster |
| 16:09.16 | PoeticIntensity | like... a non-specific where clause? |
| 16:09.27 | thebigdog | your select statement is returning all the rows anyways |
| 16:09.31 | PoeticIntensity | I tried "where customer_id != '' " and it did the same thing. |
| 16:09.47 | thebigdog | yeah you are tellling the db to return all the rows |
| 16:09.57 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:09.57 | thebigdog | if you have 3mill then it will take a while to return them all |
| 16:10.16 | PoeticIntensity | well... okay... |
| 16:10.18 | thebigdog | indexes are used to return a result set from the table set |
| 16:10.26 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 16:10.29 | thebigdog | you are telling the db to return the table set |
| 16:10.35 | thebigdog | not a criteria result set |
| 16:10.45 | thebigdog | or a result set based on criteria |
| 16:10.50 | thebigdog | hence the where clause |
| 16:10.56 | thebigdog | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/indexes.html |
| 16:11.25 | PoeticIntensity | ok.... Thanks thebigdog |
| 16:11.45 | PoeticIntensity | the query I pasted is a whittled down version of one that does some grouping, but still no where clause. |
| 16:12.05 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Btree |
| 16:12.10 | PoeticIntensity | and the grouped one does a seq scan, too. |
| 16:12.26 | thebigdog | you are still asking for all the results |
| 16:12.32 | PoeticIntensity | while he continues to create a production system on a database he barely knows... :) |
| 16:12.36 | thebigdog | all the records from the table |
| 16:12.47 | thebigdog | any database would do the same thing |
| 16:12.51 | PoeticIntensity | I'm beginning to understand.. |
| 16:13.11 | thebigdog | btree is the default index type that is used in pgsql |
| 16:13.19 | PoeticIntensity | all my indexes are of that type. |
| 16:13.40 | PoeticIntensity | one more question, if ya don't mind, thebigdog ... |
| 16:13.46 | thebigdog | np |
| 16:14.06 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_%28database%29 |
| 16:14.11 | PoeticIntensity | Daily, I'm deleting about 800,000 rows from the table, and re-inserting that data with new data... |
| 16:14.28 | PoeticIntensity | I assume vacuuming daily would be a good idea under those circumstances... |
| 16:14.54 | PoeticIntensity | and.... would you suggest using the auto-vacuum feature? |
| 16:14.57 | PoeticIntensity | (using 8.2) |
| 16:15.18 | thebigdog | yes |
| 16:15.37 | thebigdog | on linux there might even be a daemon that runs it |
| 16:15.56 | PoeticIntensity | to both questions? |
| 16:15.58 | PoeticIntensity | sweet. |
| 16:16.51 | thebigdog | yeah if you are deleting that much you want to free up that memory that is not being recovered after a delete statement |
| 16:17.20 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I started thinking that my db is .... uhh... pretty whacked because I've been doing that for weeks without vacuuming. |
| 16:17.39 | PoeticIntensity | I read a portion of the pgsql manual last night. |
| 16:17.50 | PoeticIntensity | the more I learn about it, the more I'm glad I'm using it. |
| 16:18.03 | thebigdog | it is a pretty killer db |
| 16:18.06 | PoeticIntensity | kind of a learning curve compared to MySQL, but still worth it. |
| 16:18.53 | thebigdog | some of the topics are database agnostic though |
| 16:19.01 | thebigdog | how they implement them is not |
| 16:19.11 | PoeticIntensity | well.. I read about vacuuming... which is a non-issue in MySQL. |
| 16:19.26 | thebigdog | yeah...how pgsql does it is kinda nice |
| 16:19.38 | thebigdog | its similar to the concept of garbage collection |
| 16:19.42 | PoeticIntensity | takes forever on a table with 12 million rows, though.. |
| 16:20.08 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:20.11 | thebigdog | try 45m |
| 16:20.18 | thebigdog | or 50m |
| 16:20.24 | _psychic_ | or a gazillion |
| 16:20.26 | thebigdog | with postgis data in them |
| 16:20.27 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:20.37 | PoeticIntensity | no thanks.... not yet, anyway. |
| 16:20.38 | jsmith | PoeticIntensity: Vacuuming is not a non-issue in MySQL, it's just not as much of a problem as say PostgreSQL back in the 7.x days |
| 16:20.40 | _psychic_ | I gots a database with infinity rows. |
| 16:21.03 | PoeticIntensity | it's "a-finity", _psychic_ ... Get it right. |
| 16:21.04 | thebigdog | hehe...it sucked back then |
| 16:21.14 | thebigdog | i have been impressed with 8.2 |
| 16:21.23 | _psychic_ | make that a'fininity plus one. |
| 16:22.04 | PoeticIntensity | hrm..... upon running vacuum this morning, I got a "max_fsm_pages" error. |
| 16:22.17 | thebigdog | did we come up with a definite date on the picnic? |
| 16:37.37 | mindjuju | yeah, oct 20 |
| 16:37.42 | mindjuju | i need to send an email out |
| 16:37.47 | mindjuju | timp park, |
| 16:37.50 | mindjuju | we just don't have a time |
| 16:38.15 | mindjuju | in fact, that's where the machine started to break down and ole' timinator had to ruin the ride by sayin' he couldn't come cause we'd cramp his style |
| 16:38.44 | timinator | now mindjuju, you know that's not the case |
| 16:39.24 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:39.30 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 16:42.32 | mindjuju | so thebigdog, what time shoud we do this at? |
| 16:42.34 | mindjuju | 12p? |
| 16:42.50 | mindjuju | course with it snowing this weekend, we could be knee deep in coldstuff |
| 16:43.58 | thebigdog | yeah weather permitting |
| 16:44.00 | dataw0lf | yay for snow |
| 16:44.04 | thebigdog | 12p would be good |
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| 17:42.41 | PoeticIntensity | man, I feel like such a n00b at DBA'ing.... |
| 17:43.08 | _psychic_ | doing business as? |
| 17:43.10 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 17:43.36 | dataw0lf | dim bulb a$$hole |
| 17:43.37 | PoeticIntensity | (database admin) |
| 17:43.49 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 17:43.54 | _psychic_ | absolute decibels? |
| 17:43.56 | dataw0lf | yea, they're the same think |
| 17:43.58 | PoeticIntensity | *THAT* I can do, dataw0lf |
| 17:44.17 | dataw0lf | s/think/thing |
| 17:47.49 | PoeticIntensity | do ya'll think that 54 seconds to load a web page is too long? |
| 17:47.56 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh* |
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| 17:53.55 | brasto | how does a channel op change the channel's topic? |
| 17:54.18 | brasto | [nospace]/msg chanserv help |
| 17:54.18 | macnewbold | easily |
| 17:54.20 | brasto | that didn't help |
| 17:54.23 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:54.27 | macnewbold | the command I use is /topic |
| 17:54.46 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Hi, brasto! |
| 17:55.22 | brasto | s/"that didn't help/"that didn't help"/ |
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| 17:56.02 | brasto | cool! |
| 17:56.11 | brasto | the topic is saying hi to me! |
| 17:56.17 | brasto | howdy, y'all! |
| 17:56.44 | brasto | tx macnewbold, I set the topic in a test channel I set up. |
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| 17:57.18 | PoeticIntensity | let the party begin. Beandog is here. |
| 17:57.40 | dataw0lf | uns uns uns uns |
| 17:57.41 | beandog | bring on the belly dancers |
| 17:57.48 | PoeticIntensity | hehe..... |
| 18:04.52 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 18:16.10 | influx^^ | hurr. fuzzy navel. |
| 18:23.16 | PoeticIntensity | I think it's time for some weird Al. |
| 18:23.27 | influx^^ | It's all about the Pentiums. |
| 18:23.39 | PoeticIntensity | *precisely* the song I was thinkin' about, influx^^ ! |
| 18:23.50 | influx^^ | :] |
| 18:24.59 | PoeticIntensity | awwwwww yeah! |
| 18:25.11 | PoeticIntensity | What ya wanna do? |
| 18:25.17 | PoeticIntensity | Wanna be crackers? slackers? |
| 18:25.19 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 18:25.20 | timinator | could be worse.... could be Frank Zappa |
| 18:26.03 | influx^^ | uns tsh uns tsh |
| 18:27.48 | PoeticIntensity | don't ya love it when creativity flows and stuff just works? |
| 18:36.18 | dataw0lf | yea, it's called Python. |
| 18:39.12 | influx^^ | Don't get me. Don't get me. Don't ge-g-ge-g-ge-get me. |
| 19:21.54 | _psychic_ | Hm. Guess there's not enough oil in Burma. |
| 19:22.36 | mgeary | or North Korea, or Sudan/Darfur, or.... |
| 19:22.59 | mgeary | ...Rwanda, or... |
| 19:23.16 | _psychic_ | China. |
| 19:27.12 | beandog | ooh |
| 19:27.14 | beandog | dataw0lf, ping |
| 19:27.21 | beandog | you any good with python + regexp? |
| 19:27.46 | dataw0lf | yes |
| 19:27.48 | mgeary | beandog: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:28.01 | beandog | mgeary, just looking for a similar function of /g |
| 19:28.05 | beandog | case insensitivity |
| 19:28.12 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.18 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.24 | beandog | http://docs.python.org/lib/re-syntax.html doesnt mention anything about it |
| 19:28.27 | beandog | oh yah. fail. |
| 19:28.30 | beandog | lemme try that. |
| 19:28.55 | dataw0lf | IGNORECASE or I beandog |
| 19:29.08 | dataw0lf | it's a global in the re module |
| 19:29.23 | beandog | Hmm, well Im just setting a variable |
| 19:29.27 | beandog | not writing python |
| 19:29.38 | beandog | hold on, lemme try /i |
| 19:30.13 | beandog | nopes. |
| 19:30.15 | beandog | -_- |
| 19:31.34 | dataw0lf | what are you doing, now? |
| 19:31.37 | dataw0lf | 'setting a variable' ? |
| 19:31.52 | dataw0lf | let me see what it looks like currently |
| 19:32.07 | beandog | dataw0lf, right |
| 19:32.11 | beandog | http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/docs/config.html |
| 19:32.16 | beandog | theres a config option named 'filter' |
| 19:32.21 | beandog | where you just put in a regex |
| 19:32.31 | beandog | http://www.intertwingly.net/code/venus/filters/regexp_sifter.py |
| 19:32.35 | beandog | I think thats the actual code right there |
| 19:33.31 | beandog | maybe not, not sure |
| 19:34.07 | dataw0lf | in those re.compiles, put an end paramater re.IGNORECASE |
| 19:34.13 | fungus | beandog: pass in re.I as the second parameter to your re.compile call |
| 19:34.34 | fungus | http://docs.python.org/lib/node46.html |
| 19:34.49 | beandog | ok |
| 19:34.57 | dataw0lf | alternatively, I'd add FLAG_VAR |
| 19:35.01 | dataw0lf | as the parameter |
| 19:35.09 | dataw0lf | then define FLAG_VAR in your config file as filter_flags |
| 19:51.55 | mindjuju | ~allyourbases |
| 19:52.11 | PoeticIntensity | ~allyourbase |
| 19:52.11 | jbot | rumour has it, allyourbase is at http://alien.ath.cx/ShellOracle/all_your_base.swf |
| 19:52.41 | mindjuju | thx! |
| 19:52.46 | PoeticIntensity | np |
| 19:53.10 | PoeticIntensity | any quick hints on sorting multi-dimen-arrays in PHP? |
| 19:54.39 | PoeticIntensity | er... php.net |
| 19:55.10 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: array_multisort |
| 19:55.20 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... thankee. |
| 19:55.43 | PoeticIntensity | perfect. Thanks, mgeary |
| 19:55.47 | mgeary | yep |
| 19:59.28 | mindjuju | ~poeticintensity |
| 19:59.28 | jbot | somebody said poeticintensity was the proud owner of a Black 2007 Mustang GT. not Poetic, although he can be Intense |
| 20:01.00 | influx^^ | ? |
| 20:02.39 | orsonj | http://csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.tastydirt.com/zen/sample.css |
| 20:03.17 | orsonj | used to be all the flashing/animated background/excessive font tags goodness of websites commonly found on geocities circa 1998 |
| 20:03.32 | orsonj | or myspace these days |
| 20:04.31 | orsonj | I was about to use it and another as an example of seo vs usability in the email thread. |
| 20:12.10 | _psychic_ | s/vs/+/ |
| 20:39.59 | thebigdog | jbot i am a php superstart |
| 20:39.59 | jbot | it is my pleasure to meet you, a php superstart |
| 20:40.11 | thebigdog | 4 sure |
| 20:40.15 | mindjuju | superstart? |
| 20:40.27 | jsmith | ~superstart |
| 20:40.48 | jsmith | jbot: superstart is thebigdog's new nickname |
| 20:40.48 | jbot | okay, jsmith |
| 20:41.02 | PoeticIntensity | ~superstart |
| 20:41.03 | jbot | superstart is, like, thebigdog's new nickname |
| 20:41.09 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 20:41.12 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:41.32 | thebigdog | i want to be a superstart guy |
| 20:42.14 | mindjuju | i started an instance of php on a win2k server not too long ago |
| 20:42.21 | mindjuju | Tuesday as a matter of fact |
| 20:42.29 | mgeary | ~regrets |
| 20:43.24 | thebigdog | that is just sick and wrong mindjuju |
| 20:43.41 | mindjuju | yeah, wasn't easy, had to slap everything around a bit |
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| 20:47.35 | Ryu | yo yo yo |
| 20:47.47 | mindjuju | sup Ryu |
| 20:47.56 | Ryu | good afternoon mindjuju |
| 20:49.10 | Ryu | shyoryuuuuuken! |
| 20:49.23 | Ryu | hey, lookin' fer some advice on phpmyadmin |
| 20:49.46 | Ryu | anyone know a quick and easy way to import data from an excel spreadsheet into a phpmyadmin table? :) |
| 20:50.05 | mgeary | sure, export as CSV |
| 20:50.09 | mgeary | :) |
| 20:50.39 | Ryu | ok.. does that work the same for IMPORT? |
| 20:50.47 | mgeary | pretty much |
| 20:51.00 | mgeary | just need to set the delimiters |
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| 20:51.15 | mgeary | actually, i think recent versions of PMA have a csv import option |
| 20:51.28 | thebigdog | they do |
| 20:52.06 | Ryu | ok.. I'll save my file as csv, how do I match the fields up? |
| 20:52.42 | PoeticIntensity | hiya, Ryu... |
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| 20:52.48 | thebigdog | Ryu check out the mysqlimport command |
| 20:52.54 | thebigdog | that might be easier for ya |
| 20:53.07 | PoeticIntensity | I'm fairly sure that pgsql has an Import CSV option, but I don't think it comes native with MySQL. |
| 20:53.32 | thebigdog | mysqlimport PoeticIntensity |
| 20:53.34 | PoeticIntensity | also, mgeary, that array_multisort is a beast if you've never used it before... I'm still trying to wrap my brain around it. |
| 20:53.42 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, does that do CSV importing? |
| 20:53.48 | thebigdog | yes |
| 20:54.00 | PoeticIntensity | wow.... and all these years, I've been doing it the hard way. :) |
| 20:55.42 | Ryu | ok.. so I save as csv then go into phpmyadmin click table and import csv and hope it has a way to match the field names up? |
| 20:56.39 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: yeah, it's a bit sticky sometimes |
| 20:57.08 | PoeticIntensity | Ryu, your best bet is to make sure the first row in your CSV is the field names. |
| 20:57.36 | unum | I am setting up a fedora 7 box as a dev server, I have set display_errors=0 in /etc/php.ini yet they still don't show up |
| 20:57.49 | Ryu | ok.. sounds reasonable.. thanks yee.. I'll giver it a whirl.. |
| 20:58.27 | unum | I have log_errors = On as well and they don't show up either |
| 20:58.51 | thebigdog | unum, if it is a dev box why not display errors to output |
| 20:59.40 | jsmith | unum: Is something in /etc/php.d/ overriding that? |
| 21:00.15 | PoeticIntensity | unum, a common problem I've seen is making the file (touching it or something), and then making sure it's read/writable to the apache user. |
| 21:00.31 | PoeticIntensity | and making sure the directory permissions are okay, as well. |
| 21:01.06 | unum | jsmith: I'll look there |
| 21:01.20 | orsonj | could be the start of a nice piece |
| 21:02.00 | orsonj | (leaf on wet pavement) |
| 21:02.08 | PoeticIntensity | wow, orsonj - that's a pretty cool pic. |
| 21:02.11 | unum | the apache user can run the script but it stops part way through |
| 21:02.16 | PoeticIntensity | kinda mesmerizing... |
| 21:02.22 | unum | I'm guessing there's an error in the script |
| 21:02.36 | unum | but I can't get the server to display the the errors |
| 21:02.55 | unum | I meant to say I have display_errors=On not display_errors=0 |
| 21:03.03 | brasto | I wonder what jbot has to say about aol... |
| 21:03.05 | brasto | ~aol |
| 21:03.05 | jbot | aol is probably for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 21:03.29 | PoeticIntensity | friggin' Sony.... |
| 21:03.33 | PoeticIntensity | friggin' DRM.... |
| 21:03.35 | PoeticIntensity | bah. |
| 21:03.40 | PoeticIntensity | ~spit Sony |
| 21:03.41 | jbot | ACTION hurls a huge goober onto Sony. |
| 21:03.45 | orsonj | ~lart Sony |
| 21:03.45 | jbot | whacks Sony with the cluebat |
| 21:04.01 | brasto | ~lart Sony, AOL, and DRM |
| 21:04.01 | jbot | teaches Sony, AOL, and DRM the basics, including how to RTM |
| 21:04.55 | orsonj | heh, maybe their motto should be RTFL (RTF License) |
| 21:06.25 | mindjuju | sorry gents, can't argue DRM today, i yabbered when i shouldn't have and took me til 1a to get caught up and finished |
| 21:06.32 | mindjuju | got to try to stay ahead today |
| 21:06.43 | mindjuju | you may want to ask _psychic_ if he's game today |
| 21:07.39 | brasto | ~rtm |
| 21:08.04 | mindjuju | rtm = read the manual |
| 21:08.25 | mindjuju | rtfm = read the manual (with some F word in the middle) |
| 21:09.26 | brasto | yep, I would have gotten rtfm, but didn't see the connection until mindjuju cleared it up for me |
| 21:10.21 | brasto | jbot, rtm is a clean version of rtfm. It stands for Read the Manual... without the other unnecessary word... |
| 21:10.22 | jbot | okay, brasto |
| 21:10.26 | brasto | ~rtm |
| 21:10.26 | jbot | it has been said that rtm is a clean version of rtfm. It stands for Read the Manual... without the other unnecessary word... |
| 21:10.35 | brasto | lol |
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| 21:27.56 | unum | looks like it was working just not with that error |
| 21:28.30 | mindjuju | ~kiss DOS |
| 21:28.31 | jbot | ACTION forces DOS to give brasto a big kiss on the lips |
| 21:28.55 | mindjuju | well, didn't mean it quite that way, but as long as DOS gets some lovin' |
| 21:33.52 | PoeticIntensity | you like DOS, eh', mindjuju ? |
| 21:34.16 | mindjuju | well, if you're a windows admin, you gots to love DOS |
| 21:34.20 | brasto | lol |
| 21:35.07 | brasto | A windows admin knows its not called DOS anymore, it's Windows Command Line, or... whatever it is now... |
| 21:35.21 | mindjuju | same thing new name |
| 21:35.25 | brasto | lol |
| 21:35.26 | PoeticIntensity | ~kiss cmd |
| 21:35.27 | jbot | ACTION forces cmd to give _psychic_ a big kiss on the lips |
| 21:35.29 | mindjuju | you say tomato i say tomAto |
| 21:35.48 | mindjuju | what matters is that it hasn't changed and i can run loops around most win admins in DOS |
| 21:35.55 | PoeticIntensity | as a Linux admin, if you can't work the console, you might as well quit. |
| 21:36.05 | brasto | and some people say tornato |
| 21:36.08 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 21:36.22 | thebigdog | ~kiss commando |
| 21:36.23 | jbot | ACTION forces commando to give xilch|w a big kiss on the hand |
| 21:36.24 | Ryu | Mr Poetic.. got a sec? |
| 21:36.35 | PoeticIntensity | but of course. |
| 21:36.36 | xilch|w | yes! |
| 21:36.44 | thebigdog | nada |
| 21:36.47 | Ryu | or anyone.. I saved my spreadsheet as csv with field names at top and tried import |
| 21:36.52 | PoeticIntensity | also... Ryu.... if you start typing a person's name and then press "tab"... it auto-completes their name. |
| 21:36.53 | xilch|w | kiss the royal ring |
| 21:37.07 | PoeticIntensity | like.... type Poe-"tab" and see what happens... |
| 21:37.08 | Ryu | got "Invalid field count in CSV" |
| 21:37.13 | Ryu | cool |
| 21:37.21 | PoeticIntensity | yessa... |
| 21:37.26 | PoeticIntensity | with a name like mine, it's always good to know. |
| 21:37.47 | Ryu | definitely.. |
| 21:37.56 | PoeticIntensity | does the number of fields in your CSV match the number of fields in your db? |
| 21:38.18 | Ryu | that's what i was thinking.. I probably need to put ALL field names and in same order |
| 21:38.24 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 21:38.30 | PoeticIntensity | that's the assumption. :) |
| 21:38.35 | Ryu | whether the spreadsheet has data er not.. ok, just thought I'd double check |
| 21:38.38 | Ryu | thank yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 21:38.47 | PoeticIntensity | ye art welcomed. |
| 21:39.02 | Ryu | these hosers at my office are driving me nuts.. got my headphones blasting some Billy Idol |
| 21:39.16 | influx^^ | Nice day... for a... white wedding. |
| 21:39.21 | Ryu | ohhhhhhhhh ya... |
| 21:39.29 | Ryu | "she rock the cradle of love" |
| 21:40.03 | thebigdog | hehe eventum cracks me up |
| 21:41.50 | Ryu | PoeticIntensity, flic tomorrow? |
| 21:44.15 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 21:44.23 | PoeticIntensity | already talked with Shane about it, and I'm good to go. |
| 21:44.35 | PoeticIntensity | I'll meet you guys there around 7:45. |
| 21:44.35 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
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| 21:46.46 | thebigdog | welcome swb |
| 21:46.54 | swb | hello |
| 21:46.59 | Ryu | PoeticIntensity, awesome! |
| 21:47.20 | thebigdog | mgeary, have you check out that ebook at all? |
| 21:48.22 | Ryu | PoeticIntensity, Shane ROCKS, he called Dell and got them to agree to repair my laptop! |
| 21:50.13 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... he told me. |
| 21:50.30 | PoeticIntensity | welcome, swb.. Good to see ya! |
| 21:50.52 | swb | hi there! |
| 21:51.01 | swb | hey, I have a php5 trouble |
| 21:51.50 | swb | site was recently migrated to php5 |
| 21:52.07 | swb | I have an old file upload form that doesn't work any more |
| 21:52.37 | swb | when I submit the form, seems like _POST is empty... |
| 21:52.43 | swb | anyone else seen that in php5 |
| 21:53.07 | PoeticIntensity | no... |
| 21:53.11 | PoeticIntensity | have you checked $_FILES? |
| 21:53.25 | PoeticIntensity | (or maybe $_FILE).... not sure. |
| 21:53.26 | swb | yep, nothing there either |
| 21:53.34 | swb | _FILES is right |
| 21:53.36 | PoeticIntensity | hrm..... |
| 21:53.45 | Black_Chaos | can we see the html page? |
| 21:53.45 | PoeticIntensity | I do that routinely in php5. |
| 21:54.03 | swb | it's a mess with a bunch of debug statements, but here it is: http://designsimply.com/thumbnails/ |
| 21:54.25 | swb | I should create a simpler one for testing |
| 21:56.16 | Black_Chaos | is your php doing a redirect? |
| 21:56.49 | Black_Chaos | yep |
| 21:56.54 | PoeticIntensity | there's something funky going on. |
| 21:56.59 | beandog | make sure youre using multiform whatever it is, and not posting from http to https |
| 21:57.07 | PoeticIntensity | she is, and isn't. |
| 21:57.11 | beandog | or redirecting from http to https I mean. |
| 21:57.19 | PoeticIntensity | nooples. |
| 21:57.21 | beandog | alright, Im outta ideas. |
| 21:57.24 | beandog | get to work, PoeticIntensity |
| 21:57.25 | beandog | :) |
| 21:57.38 | PoeticIntensity | helping people is one thing, being entertained is another. ;-) |
| 21:58.00 | swb | vi test.php |
| 21:58.06 | swb | oops |
| 21:58.09 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. wrong window. |
| 21:58.41 | PoeticIntensity | however, I've gotta say that seeing a girl type "vi test.php" is simply brilliant.... |
| 21:58.47 | PoeticIntensity | WOO HOO! |
| 21:59.13 | Black_Chaos | when it tries to submit to /thumbnails/index.php |
| 21:59.26 | Black_Chaos | it gets a 301 redirecting to /thumbnails |
| 21:59.28 | swb | okay, it works without the enctype, so it's not _POST, maybe it's the file upload |
| 21:59.34 | swb | http://designsimply.com/thumbnails/test.php |
| 21:59.39 | mindjuju | well well well, if it isn't swb |
| 22:00.13 | Black_Chaos | its not the enctype |
| 22:00.17 | swb | hi mindjuju |
| 22:00.19 | dataw0lf | aww jeez, I knew something smelled funny. |
| 22:00.24 | swb | hey! |
| 22:00.28 | Black_Chaos | its the index.php redirect |
| 22:01.21 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 22:01.28 | swb | there aren't any redirects that I know of though |
| 22:02.08 | Black_Chaos | you have index.php redirect to just the folder |
| 22:03.11 | swb | omg, you're Brilliant Black_Chaos, I should have figured that out! |
| 22:03.14 | swb | thank you, thank you |
| 22:04.07 | Black_Chaos | np |
| 22:14.15 | orsonj | it is a Arxceo Ally ip100 (hardware firewall about the size of a cell phone) |
| 22:14.50 | orsonj | price: $895 parts price: $200 |
| 22:15.57 | _psychic_ | what's the DOS equivalent of 'clear' |
| 22:16.02 | orsonj | cls |
| 22:21.24 | _psychic_ | orsonj: th |
| 22:21.26 | _psychic_ | *thx |
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| 22:26.21 | Ryu | PoeticIntensity & thebigdog, thanks for advice on csv import into phpmyadmin... SUCCESS!!!! |
| 22:26.35 | PoeticIntensity | you bet. |
| 22:29.38 | thebigdog | np |
| 22:29.56 | Ryu | gotta love it when a plan comes together :) |
| 22:33.42 | thebigdog | i love it when im all together |
| 22:33.45 | PoeticIntensity | yes..... yes you do. |
| 22:34.01 | PoeticIntensity | Hey.... Here's a question for ya'll..... |
| 22:34.10 | thebigdog | shoot |
| 22:34.26 | PoeticIntensity | when you have an app that does dynamic sorting based on clicking of a column-header of sorts..... |
| 22:34.38 | PoeticIntensity | do you just sort it directly in the sql pulling the data? |
| 22:34.53 | thebigdog | heavens no |
| 22:34.54 | PoeticIntensity | or do you manipulate the data within the language (php or whatever) after the database has been queried...? |
| 22:35.07 | thebigdog | 2nd option |
| 22:35.12 | PoeticIntensity | mind if I ask why? |
| 22:35.20 | thebigdog | i dont have to hit the db |
| 22:35.33 | thebigdog | i already have the data...they just want to see it in a different layout |
| 22:35.33 | PoeticIntensity | uhhh... no... the db is hit regardless. |
| 22:35.40 | PoeticIntensity | OH! |
| 22:35.46 | PoeticIntensity | storing it in sessions or whatever... |
| 22:35.50 | PoeticIntensity | ..? |
| 22:35.54 | thebigdog | if we are only talking sorting then i dont hit the db 2x |
| 22:35.55 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: tablesort + prototype == in-browser sorting |
| 22:36.04 | mgeary | works very nicely |
| 22:36.07 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 22:36.08 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 22:36.13 | mgeary | all JS + CSS |
| 22:36.14 | thebigdog | yeah that is what i like |
| 22:37.10 | PoeticIntensity | sounds *very* interesting... |
| 22:37.46 | PoeticIntensity | I ask primarily because - dealing with db's with millions of rows changes things quite drastically... when one is used to like... tens of thousands. |
| 22:38.10 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i dont hit the database again |
| 22:38.15 | thebigdog | i already have the results |
| 22:38.23 | thebigdog | however you sort is up too you |
| 22:38.31 | PoeticIntensity | sorting is just a matter of organization. |
| 22:38.40 | PoeticIntensity | Do you store the info in a session? |
| 22:38.45 | PoeticIntensity | or.... AJAX? |
| 22:38.55 | PoeticIntensity | how do you deal with page-refreshes and destroying the data? |
| 22:39.09 | PoeticIntensity | and you, dataw0lf, how would you do it? |
| 22:39.14 | thebigdog | sometimes on session sometimes with javascript |
| 22:39.29 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: depends. |
| 22:39.34 | thebigdog | sometimes i have other pages that do the sorting |
| 22:39.55 | dataw0lf | I usually prefer AJAX when at all possible |
| 22:40.08 | dataw0lf | but, really depends on the applicability. |
| 22:40.27 | PoeticIntensity | what's the throughput on your most-used app, thebigdog ? |
| 22:40.37 | dataw0lf | thoroughput* |
| 22:40.40 | PoeticIntensity | does it get like..... millions of hits per second? |
| 22:40.40 | thebigdog | like what you mean |
| 22:40.49 | PoeticIntensity | or 1-2 per day? |
| 22:40.51 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 22:40.58 | dataw0lf | err, nevermind |
| 22:41.09 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, ;-) |
| 22:41.09 | thebigdog | the app i did for northrop grumman has 1.3mill users and 50k concurrent users |
| 22:41.18 | PoeticIntensity | and the db? |
| 22:41.20 | PoeticIntensity | size? |
| 22:41.24 | PoeticIntensity | biggest table? |
| 22:41.36 | thebigdog | 100s of millions of records |
| 22:41.41 | PoeticIntensity | holy freak.... |
| 22:41.43 | PoeticIntensity | ok... |
| 22:41.46 | PoeticIntensity | I feel .... small.. |
| 22:41.51 | PoeticIntensity | daaaang. |
| 22:42.12 | PoeticIntensity | postgres, I assume? |
| 22:42.14 | thebigdog | that was a huge project |
| 22:42.17 | thebigdog | oh no |
| 22:42.21 | PoeticIntensity | Oracle? |
| 22:42.22 | thebigdog | oracle for that baby |
| 22:42.24 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 22:42.28 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... Access? |
| 22:42.32 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 22:42.58 | thebigdog | we had ot have oracle into distributed dbs all over the us |
| 22:43.05 | thebigdog | hooked into |
| 22:43.16 | PoeticIntensity | and like... it took you... what.... a couple of weeks to finish? |
| 22:43.31 | dataw0lf | anyone want to move to Reno and have me as a boss? You'll get to learn web penetration testing.. |
| 22:43.42 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i only wished...years of development |
| 22:43.56 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 22:44.01 | timinator | only if I can work remotely DW |
| 22:44.04 | timinator | :) |
| 22:44.07 | dataw0lf | :\ |
| 22:44.51 | PoeticIntensity | okay... I've been busing my rump all day. I'm done. Time to read RSS feeds. |
| 22:44.56 | PoeticIntensity | busing = busting |
| 22:45.14 | timinator | gotta run... later guys |
| 22:45.18 | PoeticIntensity | chao |
| 22:45.22 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, you can do some penetration with dataw0lf |
| 22:45.55 | PoeticIntensity | how about some W-E-B penetration....? anyone? |
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| 22:48.40 | PoeticIntensity | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/star-wars/rocketpowered-21foot-long-xwing-model-actually-flies-updated-new-pics-show-it-even-has-builtin-r2d2-305976.php |
| 23:18.51 | influx^^ | ta ye pu hao |
| 23:25.29 | Ryu | what language is that???? |
| 23:27.26 | influx^^ | chinese, though I may have not written it right. |
| 23:29.30 | influx^^ | Hmm. I think it should be ta ye bu hao |
| 23:29.51 | thebigdog | se le me gusta |
| 23:30.49 | mindjuju | influx^^ what were you trying to say? |
| 23:31.52 | mindjuju | oh, i think you are trying to say, "you are bad" |
| 23:32.05 | mindjuju | or rather, he is bad |
| 23:32.05 | influx^^ | close |
| 23:32.08 | influx^^ | yes |
| 23:32.10 | influx^^ | he or she |
| 23:32.21 | influx^^ | ni bu hao |
| 23:32.25 | mindjuju | ta shi bu hao ( he is bad) |
| 23:32.31 | mindjuju | yeah, ni bu hao - you are bad |
| 23:32.31 | influx^^ | shi? |
| 23:32.35 | influx^^ | err, shi ma? |
| 23:32.36 | mindjuju | shi - is |
| 23:32.43 | mindjuju | yup |
| 23:32.44 | influx^^ | oh. I had no idea. |
| 23:32.56 | influx^^ | I've been listening to this first podcast for a few days now. |
| 23:33.00 | mindjuju | lived in China for a year |
| 23:33.10 | mindjuju | as part of College study abroad |
| 23:33.15 | influx^^ | Rad. |
| 23:33.21 | mindjuju | :) |
| 23:33.29 | influx^^ | I would do that if I could. |
| 23:33.42 | mindjuju | it's a LOT of fun, and a great learning experience |
| 23:33.43 | mindjuju | BUT |
| 23:33.47 | mindjuju | you have to be ready for it |
| 23:33.51 | influx^^ | In what way |
| 23:33.52 | influx^^ | ? |
| 23:34.00 | mindjuju | saw a LOT of expats leave after first couple of months |
| 23:34.09 | mindjuju | culture shock, language shock |
| 23:34.30 | mindjuju | nobody speaks english more than a few words |
| 23:34.31 | influx^^ | Ah. Yeah, I wouldn't go without trying to prepare myself. |
| 23:34.49 | mindjuju | yeah, other than that, you really have to just hang loose and let it ride |
| 23:35.04 | mindjuju | don't try to frame things in the context of an American |
| 23:35.07 | influx^^ | I'd probably wear long sleeves all the time. |
| 23:35.24 | influx^^ | If I get my tattoos before I go. |
| 23:35.31 | mgeary | mindjuju: so, how many thousand-year-old-eggs did you eat while in China? |
| 23:35.31 | influx^^ | mindjuju: What do you mean? |
| 23:35.55 | mindjuju | like for instance, the bathroom. yup, they don't use toilets, use their squatters and get used to it quick |
| 23:36.00 | mindjuju | it's no big deal |
| 23:36.05 | influx^^ | Oh, pff. That's no big deal. |
| 23:36.13 | mindjuju | yeah, stuff like that, you just have to let it ride |
| 23:36.34 | influx^^ | I'd only draw the line at eating brains. |
| 23:36.37 | mindjuju | didn't have thousand year old egg, but did have a lot of other cool stuff |
| 23:36.41 | mindjuju | yeah, didn't eat brains |
| 23:36.48 | mindjuju | but did have live silkworm, shrimp |
| 23:37.00 | influx^^ | Mmm. |
| 23:37.07 | influx^^ | Sounds good. |
| 23:37.23 | influx^^ | live shrimp? |
| 23:37.47 | mindjuju | the sashimi was so fresh it was still resperating on the table, fileted |
| 23:37.54 | mindjuju | i crap you not |
| 23:38.03 | influx^^ | Wow. |
| 23:38.08 | Ryu | mmmmm sounds good |
| 23:38.11 | influx^^ | I might hesitate. |
| 23:38.20 | influx^^ | Take a deep breath and then chow down. |
| 23:38.28 | Ryu | wah you cher fawn... |
| 23:38.36 | influx^^ | ? |
| 23:39.06 | Ryu | or wah YOW cher fawn ... |
| 23:39.30 | Ryu | isn't that how you say I want to eat in chinese... sorry , didn't mean to butt in your conversation there.. |
| 23:39.44 | mindjuju | nah, not butting in, was trying to pronounce your words |
| 23:40.02 | mindjuju | wo xiang - i want |
| 23:40.08 | mindjuju | chi fan - eat food |
| 23:40.27 | mindjuju | wo xiang chi zhong guo fan - i want to eat food from china |
| 23:40.59 | Ryu | so I was close... I actually spent almost a year in Japan.. I imagine some thing are similar to China.. like the restroom facilities you were mentioning there.. |
| 23:41.00 | influx^^ | is xian pronounce jee-ang? |
| 23:41.04 | influx^^ | soft j |
| 23:41.16 | influx^^ | xiang* |
| 23:41.38 | mindjuju | more of a sh like shhhh |
| 23:41.58 | influx^^ | like xie xie |
| 23:42.09 | Ryu | wah yow hway jaw choo |
| 23:42.34 | Ryu | PoeticIntensity, you still in da hood? |
| 23:42.59 | mindjuju | the hard thing for me and Chinese was that since both have soft vowels, i would always jump from chinese to spanish |
| 23:43.07 | influx^^ | Hehe. |
| 23:43.20 | mindjuju | like when i was reading your sentence ryu, i have to focus and think "chinese" |
| 23:43.41 | mindjuju | way good times in china |
| 23:43.42 | Ryu | ah.. well, I just know a few phrases here and there... |
| 23:43.44 | mindjuju | good people |
| 23:43.47 | Ryu | I know a lot more japanese... |
| 23:44.02 | mindjuju | the best people there, though, are the Tibetans |
| 23:44.16 | mindjuju | talk about an oppressed people, but always so quick to laugh |
| 23:44.48 | mindjuju | in fact, when i was traveling in Tibet, every, and i mean every gas stop / restaurant was playing Mr. Bean |
| 23:45.52 | influx^^ | The movie or the series? |
| 23:46.18 | mindjuju | various episodes |
| 23:46.26 | influx^^ | Ah. |
| 23:46.31 | mindjuju | bootleg in china is VERY common so all the episodes are on VCD |
| 23:46.40 | influx^^ | Mmm... vcd. |
| 23:47.29 | Black_Chaos | well the RIAA won http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071004-verdict-is-in.html |
| 23:47.42 | mindjuju | influx^^ - http://www.billgood.com/vvilla/everest.jpg |
| 23:48.03 | influx^^ | Ooo. |
| 23:48.44 | mindjuju | influx^^ - this one is way funny http://www.billgood.com/vvilla/monks.jpg |
| 23:49.18 | mindjuju | one of them barely spoke Chinese, and the rest could only speak Tibetan, but these guys were so cool |
| 23:51.10 | influx^^ | Hmm. |
| 23:51.18 | influx^^ | The one to your left looks familiar. |
| 23:51.37 | influx^^ | I may have seen him at the tibeten temple downtown. |
| 23:51.42 | influx^^ | err, tibetan |
| 23:51.45 | mindjuju | really? |
| 23:52.16 | influx^^ | It's possible. I'm not absolutely sure though. |
| 23:52.49 | mindjuju | yup, good times |
| 23:52.50 | influx^^ | Do you remember if he was a lama? |
| 23:52.55 | influx^^ | Cool. :D |
| 23:52.57 | mindjuju | nope |
| 23:53.04 | mindjuju | they were students at the time |
| 23:53.17 | mindjuju | course, this was 1999 |
| 23:53.21 | mindjuju | so, almost 9 years ago |
| 23:53.30 | mindjuju | you should go |
| 23:53.34 | mindjuju | before it changes |
| 23:53.46 | influx^^ | Oh? |
| 23:53.46 | mindjuju | though, from what i hear, a lot of change going on in Tibet |
| 23:54.01 | influx^^ | What kind of changing are you talking about? |
| 23:54.33 | mindjuju | yeah, The Chinese government is sending literally trainloads of Han Chinese up to the Tibetan plateau. I feel, along with others, it is to drown out the Tibetan culture, though the government says that there is no room elsewhere |
| 23:55.35 | mindjuju | when i was there, all government offices were protected by soldiers with machine guns, lots of little military depot between lhasa and Mt Everest |
| 23:55.59 | mindjuju | its a really sad situation |
| 23:56.07 | influx^^ | :\ |
| 23:56.24 | mindjuju | but dude, let me tell you quick cool story, then i got to get back to work |
| 23:56.46 | mindjuju | but when I went to everest, I had money, but not a lot, i had just loaned a friend of mine a ton and I though i had enough. |
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| 23:57.03 | mindjuju | well, i didn't and got to everest and I was flat broke and had 2 day travel back to Lhasa without food. |
| 23:57.30 | mindjuju | well, at the first stop, the driver and the guide realized i was without money and bought my meals all the way back, and then refused to take money when i got to a bank |
| 23:57.43 | mindjuju | the most generous people i know |
| 23:57.47 | influx^^ | :o |
| 23:57.54 | influx^^ | That is cool. |
| 23:58.00 | mindjuju | yeah, way cool |
| 23:58.42 | mindjuju | yup, gots to get back and finish so i can go home at decent time today |
