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| 02:13.47 | orsonj | I once met someone who said organic alcohol wasn't against the word of wisdom. |
| 02:14.50 | orsonj | I believe that was when I got introduced to wheat-grass-juice |
| 02:15.45 | orsonj | odd, tasts like the smell of a newly mowed lawn |
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| 02:16.07 | orsonj | evenin' |
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| 02:18.41 | burnin | howdy |
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| 03:17.24 | mikesmullin | anyone else burning the midnight oil? |
| 03:17.40 | herlo | Its midnight? |
| 03:18.21 | mikesmullin | well it is in 2 hr 41 min 50 sec... |
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| 03:21.03 | beandog | kinda. |
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| 05:07.20 | beandog | oy |
| 05:07.20 | beandog | ditto. |
| 05:07.22 | beandog | -_- |
| 05:10.15 | beandog | Im gonna pull my hair out |
| 05:15.50 | orsonj | if you do, these people can help: http://www.trich.org/about_ttm/intro.asp |
| 05:16.23 | beandog | ick |
| 05:24.00 | orsonj | heh, well I'm off to bed! :) |
| 05:24.44 | beandog | noooo! |
| 05:24.47 | beandog | Im all alone! |
| 05:24.49 | beandog | :) |
| 05:26.05 | orsonj | jbot, entertain beandog |
| 05:26.06 | jbot | ACTION shows beandog a pink elephant while tap dancing |
| 05:26.12 | beandog | Oooh |
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| 13:32.03 | mindjuju | ugh, so early |
| 13:36.15 | jsmith | No it's not |
| 14:08.11 | beandog | oh man |
| 14:08.22 | beandog | Im gonna die today. |
| 14:09.52 | jsmith | Such negativity in the channel today |
| 14:10.00 | jsmith | beandog: Who gets your laptop after you die? |
| 14:10.22 | beandog | actually my laptop is dying too, so I doubt anyone would want it. |
| 14:10.24 | beandog | :( |
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| 14:43.42 | orsonj | not even a month since the last kernel update |
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| 14:47.37 | mindjuju | beandog, you sick or just not enough sleep? |
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| 14:49.53 | mindjuju | heh |
| 14:50.05 | mindjuju | dude, with this chair, you can easily go 18hrs and not feel it |
| 14:51.33 | PelaoFeliz | what kind of chair is it? |
| 14:52.05 | mindjuju | hang on, let me find online so you can see |
| 14:56.24 | mindjuju | @pelaoFeliz - http://www.relaxtheback.com/lifeform-ultimate-mid-back-executive-chair-product-6370260-6389773 |
| 14:56.47 | PelaoFeliz | wow |
| 14:56.48 | mindjuju | that model has a couple of extras i don't have like the memory foam, and mine isn't leather |
| 14:57.05 | mindjuju | but everything else is the same |
| 14:57.49 | Black_Chaos | pricey |
| 14:58.32 | mindjuju | yeah, mine wasn't the 1500, mine was like 1150 |
| 14:59.20 | PelaoFeliz | a good chair is worth money though -- figure you're in it as much or more than anywhere else throughout the day (for most programmers, anyway) |
| 15:00.20 | mindjuju | yeah, true that. |
| 15:00.58 | mgeary | morning |
| 15:01.04 | mindjuju | sup mgeary |
| 15:01.19 | mgeary | tons to do. typical morning |
| 15:01.40 | mindjuju | yeah, know the feeling |
| 15:02.02 | mindjuju | started at 7:30, then bailed away to actually drive in, but i'm here now |
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| 15:05.32 | mindjuju | ~yoika |
| 15:07.47 | mindjuju | ~wiki yoika |
| 15:08.02 | mindjuju | curious |
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| 15:09.17 | brasto | jbot yoika is how one in New York might refer to him or herself, e.g.: "I'm a New Yoika!". |
| 15:09.18 | jbot | brasto: okay |
| 15:09.23 | brasto | ~yoika |
| 15:09.24 | jbot | from memory, yoika is how one in New York might refer to him or herself, e.g.: "I'm a New Yoika!". |
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| 15:09.38 | brasto | there you go mindjuju |
| 15:10.13 | mindjuju | ah |
| 15:16.03 | mgeary | yeah, but this is *old* Genesis. where Peter Gabriel is the lead vocal, and collins does drums. great stuff |
| 15:16.11 | mgeary | Peter Gabriel+++++++++ |
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| 15:19.37 | brasto | Phil's still an awesome drummer |
| 15:19.42 | mgeary | agreed |
| 15:20.06 | mgeary | don't like much of his recent (last ~10 years) stuff, though |
| 15:20.29 | mgeary | his first 1-2 solo albums were alright, but then it kind of lost it for me |
| 15:25.57 | brasto | A friend of mine gave me a blank stare when I said Phil's one of the best drummers out there. After a minute, he finally said "oh yea, he was the drummer for Genesis". I reminded him he did the percussion for Disney's animated Tarzaan film, so he's still drumming away. |
| 15:26.28 | mgeary | yeah, he's also done the drumming on a lot of studio albums for a bunch of random artists |
| 15:28.13 | brasto | Cool! I didn't know that one. |
| 15:32.35 | brasto | herlo suggested changing Utah Open Source Database into something like Utah Database User Group. I think I agree since it suggests a larger target audience. Any thoughts? |
| 15:33.26 | dataw0lf | perhaps changing the 'user' to something more accurate |
| 15:33.33 | dataw0lf | Utah Database Administrators Group |
| 15:33.52 | unum | Utah Database Operators Group |
| 15:34.00 | unum | so we can call it UDOG |
| 15:34.55 | mgeary | Utah Database Admin/Worker Group |
| 15:34.58 | mgeary | UDAWG |
| 15:35.02 | unum | nice |
| 15:35.02 | mgeary | you dawg |
| 15:36.05 | brasto | I'm betting those domains are taken |
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| 15:36.22 | brasto | good point dataw0lf |
| 15:36.55 | dataw0lf | aye. |
| 15:37.21 | brasto | udbog...udbawg... udbag... |
| 15:37.59 | brasto | I've registered udbug.org, udbu.org was already taken... |
| 15:38.00 | orsonj | heh, U 'd' bag |
| 15:38.44 | mindjuju | i'd call it Cult of thebigdog wannabees - Hawt DBAs only |
| 15:39.32 | mindjuju | and as a side note, here's why i'd throw a pie in the face of the nearest RIAA rep i know - Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said. |
| 15:39.54 | mindjuju | Yup, ripping CDs is stealing |
| 15:40.41 | mindjuju | here is the article for those of you curious -- http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071002-sony-bmgs-chief-anti-piracy-lawyer-copying-music-you-own-is-stealing.html |
| 15:40.51 | brasto | udbag.org doesn't sound so good, but Utah Database Administrators Group is indeed more accurate... |
| 15:43.23 | brasto | I disagree. Ripping other people's CDs is stealing. I don't download music I don't own because that would be stealing. But since CDs get scratched, I back mine up. |
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| 15:44.21 | _psychic_ | it depends on the licensing of the music you buy |
| 15:44.27 | orsonj | yep, sometimes it seems they want you to think you bought the physical disk. (if it breaks, you need to buy a new one) Other times they want you to think its the music that matters, not the disk. |
| 15:44.50 | _psychic_ | if you buy music from a vendor, know what the restrictions are, if you don't like them, don't buy the music |
| 15:45.45 | xilch|w | 5 |
| 15:46.02 | mindjuju | that's one way to look at it |
| 15:46.25 | xilch|w | 2 |
| 15:46.58 | xilch|w | that's the other way |
| 15:48.07 | xilch|w | I'm with _psychic_ though - if you know the license when you buy it, and you violate the license, it is stealing |
| 15:48.20 | _psychic_ | simple |
| 15:48.35 | _psychic_ | you can cry about unfairness, but how is it unfair when you knew the rules before buying? |
| 15:48.37 | mgeary | though it's not actually stealing |
| 15:48.40 | mgeary | it's copyright violation |
| 15:48.42 | mgeary | which is different |
| 15:48.47 | xilch|w | true |
| 15:49.00 | _psychic_ | copyright violation is stealing |
| 15:49.07 | _psychic_ | if a = b = c |
| 15:49.12 | mgeary | i'm not saying it's not an offense |
| 15:49.18 | mgeary | but copyright violation is not stealing |
| 15:49.22 | mgeary | it is copyright violation |
| 15:49.34 | PelaoFeliz | legally |
| 15:49.35 | influx^^ | copyright violation is copying with the intent to profit from said copying? |
| 15:49.49 | PelaoFeliz | I think _psychic_ is talking more from a moral point of view |
| 15:49.51 | mgeary | ~wiki copyright_violation |
| 15:49.56 | mindjuju | no, copyright violation is what ever the license writer says it is |
| 15:50.08 | mindjuju | according to _psychic_ and xilch|w |
| 15:50.09 | brasto | I'll have to agree. If it's explicitly stated on the label or CD cover not to copy. |
| 15:50.09 | dataw0lf | Man, stealing or not, it's free music. |
| 15:50.22 | dataw0lf | you've been getting screwed by the music industry for years |
| 15:50.31 | _psychic_ | then don't patronize them |
| 15:50.38 | mindjuju | i don't |
| 15:50.39 | _psychic_ | people cry about this all the time |
| 15:50.41 | dataw0lf | I'm more of the vengeful type. |
| 15:50.42 | mindjuju | i listen to my techno fresh |
| 15:50.43 | xilch|w | I just buy all my discs at used music stores |
| 15:50.50 | dataw0lf | I just download music |
| 15:50.55 | mindjuju | yeah, but just don't rip to Ipod |
| 15:50.56 | xilch|w | and buy band shirts, etc. |
| 15:50.57 | _psychic_ | ...all the way to the music store |
| 15:51.30 | dataw0lf | I haven't bought anything from the recording industry for about 5 years, I don't cry all the way to the music store |
| 15:51.35 | dataw0lf | I cry on my way to my favorite torrent site |
| 15:51.43 | dataw0lf | then I purchase products from the bands themselves |
| 15:51.46 | mindjuju | ^5 dataw0lf |
| 15:51.51 | dataw0lf | like xilch said, t-shirts, concert tickets, etc |
| 15:51.56 | dataw0lf | ^5 |
| 15:52.00 | mgeary | if copyright violation was theft, then all the RIAA lawsuits would be criminal proceedings, rather than civil suits |
| 15:52.07 | dataw0lf | it's not theft. |
| 15:52.16 | dataw0lf | theft is an act that leaves someone bereft of what you took |
| 15:52.30 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 15:52.31 | brasto | ~dict theft |
| 15:52.32 | mindjuju | i'm in a unique genre, most DJs sell mp3s of what they make online somewhere |
| 15:52.38 | xilch|w | dataw0lf: like you did with my heart |
| 15:52.44 | dataw0lf | if the recording industry can't come up with a better economic model, that's their fault |
| 15:52.51 | _psychic_ | no it isn't |
| 15:52.53 | mindjuju | so, you hear it on DI.fm and then go find the DJ to get the hookup |
| 15:52.53 | dataw0lf | they're the capitalistic pigs |
| 15:52.55 | dataw0lf | figure it out |
| 15:52.57 | _psychic_ | why should they when people continue to pay their prices |
| 15:53.00 | mindjuju | money goes straight to the DJ |
| 15:53.04 | _psychic_ | they have no reason to change |
| 15:53.11 | _psychic_ | the legal system supports their views |
| 15:53.15 | _psychic_ | and people buy their stuff |
| 15:53.22 | mindjuju | but that's where you're wrong |
| 15:53.23 | dataw0lf | that's because they have a huge lobby in Washington, _psychic_ |
| 15:53.25 | mindjuju | people aren't paying |
| 15:53.28 | _psychic_ | so fix it |
| 15:53.32 | mindjuju | people themselves are shifting the model |
| 15:53.33 | xilch|w | look, everyone just stop listening to music and give me your money. That's all I want SO MUCH |
| 15:53.47 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: so fix it? |
| 15:53.48 | mindjuju | just like we did with VHS |
| 15:53.50 | dataw0lf | with what? |
| 15:53.57 | dataw0lf | the 500 million dollars I have sitting in my basement? |
| 15:54.04 | _psychic_ | well bit torrent isn't going to change the world |
| 15:54.10 | mindjuju | wanna bet |
| 15:54.12 | dataw0lf | No, but it sure does help my listening experience. |
| 15:54.22 | xilch|w | heh |
| 15:54.49 | dataw0lf | and with movies, if I like the movie, I'm going to buy the DVD. |
| 15:54.51 | _psychic_ | Yeah you guys are right. I say we throw our hands up in the air and keep copying each other's music. That'll teach em. |
| 15:55.05 | mindjuju | i'm not saying copying freely |
| 15:55.09 | mgeary | _psychic_: i don't think that's what many of us are arguing |
| 15:55.13 | mindjuju | i'm saying when you by the CD, you buy the fair use of the music |
| 15:55.44 | mindjuju | you can put it on your ipod, you can make it into a cassette tape and put it in your car, you can throw it to mp3 to put on whatever device |
| 15:55.52 | mindjuju | you can put a copy @ work to listen while there |
| 15:56.06 | mindjuju | the RIAA way, that would be like 10 copies of that album |
| 15:56.15 | mindjuju | that makes a lot of sense |
| 15:57.23 | _psychic_ | I'm not talking about sense, I'm talking about the current legislation. If it doesn't make sense, change the law. I think there's probably an approach that allows you to be legal and still bring about change. |
| 15:57.41 | _psychic_ | fair use is for "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research" |
| 15:57.45 | mindjuju | k, where is the law that says they can say something goofy like that |
| 15:57.54 | _psychic_ | Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. ยง 107 |
| 15:57.55 | mindjuju | is it a law that prescribes 1 device 1 cd? |
| 15:58.19 | mindjuju | k, since i don't know my way around that, can you show me where in that it says that |
| 15:58.33 | _psychic_ | ~wiki Fair_Use |
| 15:58.33 | mindjuju | specifically |
| 15:58.33 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: fair use also says you can make backup copies |
| 15:58.48 | _psychic_ | Utah_Dave: just for reference, where does it say that? |
| 15:59.17 | xilch|w | I bet Orrin would introduce the new and better legislation if we asked him |
| 15:59.20 | _psychic_ | http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 |
| 15:59.46 | mindjuju | ugh --- Orrin needs swift kick -- coming up with the DMCA and then taking monies from the RIAA |
| 15:59.54 | PelaoFeliz | Yeah, 'cause Mr. Hatch has always been on the side of the consumer </sarcasm> |
| 16:00.04 | mindjuju | i could see it if he just wrote it on belief, but taking money! |
| 16:00.17 | mindjuju | freak! that pisses me off! |
| 16:00.18 | _psychic_ | I'm not seeing anything about backing up |
| 16:00.38 | mindjuju | that's because the copyright act isn't the end all be all of consumer rights |
| 16:00.41 | _psychic_ | I think people just need to buy music where it fits their philosophy, or work to change the law |
| 16:00.45 | Utah_Dave | lemme see |
| 16:01.00 | mindjuju | see, that's where you're wrong _psychic_ i didn't vote for the RIAA |
| 16:01.05 | xilch|w | I'm with _psychic_ here |
| 16:01.08 | _psychic_ | what do you mean |
| 16:01.13 | mindjuju | they are not a governmental power here |
| 16:01.17 | mindjuju | they don't get to dictate law |
| 16:01.20 | timinator | hear hear |
| 16:01.26 | _psychic_ | so if you buy their stuff |
| 16:01.30 | timinator | go mindjuju, go mindjuju |
| 16:01.37 | _psychic_ | how are you justified in breaking the rules |
| 16:01.47 | _psychic_ | when you knowingly paid for their product and it's limitations? |
| 16:01.47 | mindjuju | ask any lawyer, even if you sign a contract, if the tenants of the contract are stupid, they aren't enforceable |
| 16:01.49 | mindjuju | go ask |
| 16:02.01 | _psychic_ | so change the law |
| 16:02.05 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 subsection b |
| 16:02.05 | _psychic_ | or don't sign the contract |
| 16:02.06 | mindjuju | there is no law! |
| 16:02.17 | _psychic_ | no one is forcing you to buy music or rent from retarded people |
| 16:02.17 | mindjuju | the RIAA isn't law |
| 16:02.40 | _psychic_ | they *use* the law bro |
| 16:02.46 | mindjuju | doesn't work that way |
| 16:02.53 | _psychic_ | because you agreed to certain conditions when you buy and use the product |
| 16:02.54 | mindjuju | look at the battle between VHS and Beta |
| 16:03.02 | mindjuju | What? What's Beta? |
| 16:03.12 | mindjuju | it's this same arguement 20 yrs ago |
| 16:03.15 | _psychic_ | how about we stick with music rather than real estate and video? ;) |
| 16:03.24 | mindjuju | it's the same argument |
| 16:03.35 | _psychic_ | I don't see the similarity. |
| 16:03.45 | mindjuju | people wanted devices that could make recording and use films freely |
| 16:03.50 | Utah_Dave | I think it all comes down to the fact that music industry is competing with FREE |
| 16:04.02 | _psychic_ | Free as in stealing? |
| 16:04.10 | Utah_Dave | Yes, free as in stealing |
| 16:04.30 | mindjuju | no, not free as in stealing, there is a Act, i'll find it for you |
| 16:04.34 | Utah_Dave | They're going to have to face the fact that the genie is out of the bottle |
| 16:04.54 | mindjuju | that says that once something goes over the airwaves, that instance is public |
| 16:04.59 | mindjuju | and legally recordable |
| 16:05.08 | brasto | more metaphysics now... what if I put out a CD cover with a picture of a cat, and under the cat I put the text "this is a dog", with an arrow pointing at the cat... |
| 16:05.11 | Utah_Dave | If they sold non-drm mp3's for 10 cents and made it real easy and fast |
| 16:05.16 | _psychic_ | So just to get this straight: if you don't personally believe in a given law, you can just break it - and that's a morally justified position? |
| 16:05.24 | brasto | whatever I say, it's still a cat |
| 16:05.24 | Utah_Dave | I'm sure a lot of people would buy directly from them |
| 16:05.30 | mindjuju | oh my gosh, _psychic_ |
| 16:05.41 | mindjuju | go back and read, i'm saying they aren't standing by a law |
| 16:05.44 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: I'm not saying it's ethical or moral. It's just reality |
| 16:05.46 | mindjuju | and their contracts contain flaws |
| 16:05.55 | mindjuju | they don't have a legal leg to stand on |
| 16:06.07 | mindjuju | step back for a sec |
| 16:06.08 | _psychic_ | I don't think we need to argue over reality - it's already here. |
| 16:06.08 | brasto | so, if one makes a license and tries to define wether they buy the disc or the music should be irrelevant... maybe they are calling a cat a dog... |
| 16:06.13 | brasto | jk |
| 16:06.20 | _psychic_ | It's not that difficult. |
| 16:06.23 | _psychic_ | If I make a CD |
| 16:06.31 | _psychic_ | and tell you you can't copy it if you buy it |
| 16:06.31 | mindjuju | you are arguing that they ahve a legal right and violation is immoral -- i'm arguing they don't have the legal right |
| 16:06.35 | _psychic_ | why is that so hard to get around? |
| 16:06.47 | mindjuju | cause we are arguing 2 different things |
| 16:06.48 | _psychic_ | They don't have a legal right to set rules on their own products? |
| 16:07.02 | mindjuju | there are laws that govern the way contracts are created |
| 16:07.09 | Utah_Dave | The RIAA thinks people should have to pay a fee every time they watch a movie in their own home theater |
| 16:07.21 | _psychic_ | don't buy the movie then |
| 16:07.24 | mindjuju | what they can stipulate, how they can be enforced, |
| 16:07.29 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 16:07.38 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 16:07.41 | Utah_Dave | Before airplanes were invented, a landowner owned the land and the air above it all the way to space |
| 16:08.06 | _psychic_ | so rogue airmen flew the skies until they were free to do so in the here and now.... |
| 16:08.09 | brasto | ~lart RIAA |
| 16:08.09 | jbot | says "boot to the head" and knocks RIAA over |
| 16:08.10 | _psychic_ | thank god for those brave men |
| 16:08.11 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 16:08.12 | mindjuju | k, let's all relax for a sec and eval our stance |
| 16:08.22 | mindjuju | _psychic_ you go first |
| 16:08.38 | _psychic_ | Essentially, if you don't like the rules, don't play. |
| 16:08.39 | Utah_Dave | Some chicken farmer tried to sue an airline company because the planes were scaring his chickens and because the planes were trespassing over his land |
| 16:08.44 | brasto | ~lart DRM |
| 16:08.44 | jbot | nabs the moon and broadsides DRM with the sea of tranquility |
| 16:08.58 | mindjuju | k, and all i'm saying is that they don't have the right to make the rules they do. |
| 16:09.05 | _psychic_ | on their own stuff? |
| 16:09.05 | mindjuju | and so following is subjective |
| 16:09.08 | mindjuju | yes |
| 16:09.17 | _psychic_ | why would anyone make anything then? |
| 16:09.20 | _psychic_ | including software? |
| 16:09.23 | Utah_Dave | The courts changed the law because it was impractical and stupid to expect an airplane to get permission to cross everyone's land |
| 16:09.25 | mindjuju | k, let's look at software |
| 16:09.38 | _psychic_ | I'd rather stick with music |
| 16:09.52 | _psychic_ | Utah_Dave: that's the key the *courts* changed the law |
| 16:09.57 | _psychic_ | change the law and I'm find |
| 16:09.59 | mindjuju | let's say i write an application and sell it to a person with the condition that he give up his first born |
| 16:10.00 | _psychic_ | *fine |
| 16:10.06 | mindjuju | do you honestly think it is enforcable ? |
| 16:10.22 | _psychic_ | um |
| 16:10.24 | _psychic_ | you want me to say no |
| 16:10.26 | _psychic_ | so |
| 16:10.27 | _psychic_ | no |
| 16:10.29 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 16:10.36 | _psychic_ | that's a bit of an exaggeration, no? |
| 16:10.39 | mindjuju | but why? he signed the contract? |
| 16:10.42 | mindjuju | right? |
| 16:10.46 | timinator | this loan for a pound of flesh |
| 16:10.47 | mindjuju | don't do business... ? |
| 16:10.56 | mindjuju | because its a stupid contract |
| 16:11.00 | _psychic_ | I won't get lost in hypotheical situations |
| 16:11.00 | mindjuju | doesn't work with the laws of the land |
| 16:11.15 | mindjuju | and that's ok, but at least you see my point now |
| 16:11.25 | mindjuju | the contract they propose is illegal |
| 16:11.49 | mindjuju | otherwise, 250 million of the 350 million people in the US would find suits against them for ripping music |
| 16:14.23 | _psychic_ | asking for a child is unreasonable |
| 16:14.32 | _psychic_ | asking people not to copy stuff is not as unreasonable |
| 16:14.37 | brasto | IOW, it doesn't matter how people define a contract if the law defines the contract differently. It only matters how people define the contract if the law does not have one defined. |
| 16:14.42 | mindjuju | and asking people to buy 10 copies of an album is unreasonable |
| 16:14.49 | _psychic_ | it must not be annoying enough - people buy this stuff all day long |
| 16:15.06 | _psychic_ | change the law then |
| 16:15.07 | mindjuju | i can see buying a new format, like from tape to CD |
| 16:15.11 | mindjuju | there is no law! |
| 16:15.26 | _psychic_ | are they winning any of their court cases? |
| 16:15.31 | _psychic_ | any of them? |
| 16:15.38 | mindjuju | they aren't suing on ripping CDs |
| 16:15.41 | _psychic_ | There is legal standing to enforce this if they are. |
| 16:15.44 | mindjuju | they are suing on sharing music |
| 16:15.57 | mindjuju | k, i'll tell you what |
| 16:16.04 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 16:16.10 | mindjuju | let's talk with a lawyer about this |
| 16:16.24 | mindjuju | somebody who could say, well, the law says this.. or the law says that... |
| 16:16.45 | brasto | jbot, get a lawyer |
| 16:17.01 | mindjuju | though i think you'll be sorely disappointed by just wanting to stay with music, because this topic includes a lot more |
| 16:17.12 | mindjuju | ^5 influx^^ |
| 16:17.16 | influx^^ | :] |
| 16:17.29 | mindjuju | influx^^, J.D. |
| 16:17.35 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 16:17.51 | _psychic_ | I think you'll get mixed opinions on backups. |
| 16:17.54 | mindjuju | you don't know how bad i want those initials on my name |
| 16:17.59 | _psychic_ | There doesn't yet seem to be a consensus. |
| 16:18.09 | mindjuju | _psychic_ i agree |
| 16:18.23 | mindjuju | and with contractual stipulations... |
| 16:18.28 | _psychic_ | I think a lot of it depends on where you get your music |
| 16:18.33 | _psychic_ | iTMS has different conditions |
| 16:18.35 | mindjuju | like the iphone has a EULA that says don't hack |
| 16:18.49 | mindjuju | yet people hacked, and lawyers came out and said, ok if you do it |
| 16:18.55 | mindjuju | but you can't see it to others |
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| 16:19.01 | mindjuju | even though the EULA said otherwise |
| 16:19.20 | _psychic_ | the EULA voids the warranty |
| 16:19.24 | _psychic_ | it doesn't allow apple to sue you |
| 16:19.46 | mindjuju | well, i'd like to read the EULA before I concede that point |
| 16:19.54 | mindjuju | and the EULA of a common popular CD |
| 16:20.12 | mindjuju | i buy my music direct from DJs who aren't so concerned about it |
| 16:20.39 | _psychic_ | which is great |
| 16:20.52 | _psychic_ | I think that's the best approach to changing the system |
| 16:21.23 | mindjuju | where "system" is defined as the desires of the RIAA and not of a governmental body |
| 16:21.30 | mindjuju | agreed |
| 16:21.38 | _psychic_ | right |
| 16:21.51 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:24.49 | _psychic_ | I think the part where it gets tricky is that recording groups can use the government to enforce their systems |
| 16:26.04 | _psychic_ | iTMS is pretty lenient - 5 apple devices + 7 burns |
| 16:26.05 | _psychic_ | http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/service.html |
| 16:29.25 | influx^^ | 5 apple computers |
| 16:29.33 | influx^^ | one ipod |
| 16:29.39 | influx^^ | well |
| 16:29.39 | influx^^ | wait |
| 16:29.44 | influx^^ | hmm. |
| 16:29.58 | influx^^ | nm. *closes e-mouth* |
| 16:31.24 | mindjuju | wow, that many apple devices? |
| 16:32.16 | fungus | They mean, you can authorize 5 computers, and an infinite number of iPods that sync with those computers. |
| 16:32.59 | influx^^ | You can only sync one iPod per computer, no? |
| 16:33.22 | fungus | no |
| 16:33.30 | fungus | You can have lots of ipods per computer |
| 16:33.51 | mindjuju | but fungus does! |
| 16:33.52 | fungus | You can only have one computer per ipod |
| 16:34.11 | fungus | It's a one-to-many relationship. :) |
| 16:34.38 | influx^^ | yes, that's it. |
| 16:34.59 | influx^^ | So ipods are mules, and apple computers are suppliers... hmmm. |
| 16:35.09 | fungus | yup |
| 16:35.30 | fungus | 5 computers, with 5 ipods for each computer, = 30 total devices |
| 16:43.21 | _psychic_ | again - if the rules bother you, don't buy music there. :) |
| 16:43.33 | unum | buy it from bleep |
| 16:43.40 | _psychic_ | or walmart |
| 16:43.41 | _psychic_ | or amazon |
| 16:43.48 | _psychic_ | or amiest |
| 16:43.51 | _psychic_ | or whatever |
| 16:44.35 | mindjuju | hey now, i thought we put this argument to rest? |
| 16:44.41 | mindjuju | for the time being that is |
| 16:44.46 | unum | is walmart not drm? |
| 16:45.47 | fungus | iTunes does have a lot of music that is DRM free too, just not all of it like Amazon, E-Music, etc. |
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| 16:54.21 | influx^^ | I think I might continue to shop at AmazonMP3. |
| 17:13.02 | brasto | ~kill drm |
| 17:13.02 | jbot | ACTION shoots a excited pseudoquark gun at drm |
| 17:14.51 | brasto | when I do a /msg ChanServ register #[channel] ... |
| 17:15.16 | brasto | ChanServ simply says:(notice) Channel [#cwxtesting] does not exist |
| 17:15.36 | brasto | any ideas what I'm doing wrong to register a channel? |
| 17:15.45 | mindjuju | you have to actually be in the channel you want to register |
| 17:16.05 | mindjuju | so first jump to /join #mysecretchannel |
| 17:16.12 | mindjuju | then from there register |
| 17:16.28 | brasto | mindjuju - thanks, that did it |
| 17:17.18 | mgeary | hmm |
| 17:17.47 | mgeary | what guidelines regulate what channels can/should be created? i've long wanted a decent flash channel |
| 17:17.52 | mgeary | #flash is pretty dead |
| 17:18.12 | mgeary | well, okay there's 40 in there now, but i've never gotten any use from it |
| 17:18.13 | mindjuju | the guidlines are at www.freenode.net i think, maybe it's .org |
| 17:18.41 | mgeary | so if it's not related to OSS, it shouldn't/can't be on freenode...? |
| 17:18.52 | mindjuju | http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml |
| 17:18.59 | mindjuju | uh, no |
| 17:19.09 | mindjuju | there is thech that is closed source on freenode |
| 17:19.34 | mindjuju | but i think you can't collaborate on closed source stuff on freenode |
| 17:19.38 | mindjuju | like the creation of closed source |
| 17:19.42 | mindjuju | it says it in the FAQ |
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| 17:44.43 | beandog | http://www.linux.org/news/LO2007/teneffects.html |
| 17:48.37 | orsonj | nice |
| 17:54.02 | xilch|w | number 1 is true - because you don't meet any at all |
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| 18:07.50 | brasto | beandog: the example in number 8 does the opposite of what number 8 says... |
| 18:08.00 | brasto | Number 8: You start substituting C for K in your normal writing (Did you know that Pizarro konquered the Inkas?) |
| 18:08.32 | brasto | It should say we substitute k for c... |
| 18:08.44 | beandog | isnt c being substituted? |
| 18:08.50 | brasto | yes |
| 18:08.50 | beandog | I guess it depends how you read it. |
| 18:09.31 | brasto | I think it only reads one way: substituting the letter c for the letter k |
| 18:09.57 | brasto | if they said "... C /with/ K ..." it would read different |
| 18:10.09 | brasto | but they said "for", which only reads one way. |
| 18:17.01 | brasto | it's too quiet right now... must be lunch time... |
| 18:17.04 | brasto | ~rlart |
| 18:17.05 | jbot | drops a baby grand on josephscott |
| 18:18.47 | mindjuju | brasto, it comes from the debate earlier today, we all gots to catch up on the time lost in the discussion |
| 18:20.12 | beandog | I missed a debate? |
| 18:20.31 | beandog | Wonder Woman could kick Aquaman's butt any day. |
| 18:21.54 | mindjuju | beandog, we were just talking about RIAA, music licensing and that |
| 18:22.00 | mindjuju | it was good debate |
| 18:22.07 | beandog | ah man |
| 18:22.09 | beandog | I missed it. |
| 18:22.20 | mindjuju | but nearly an hour long |
| 18:22.24 | beandog | so was it a debate or a rant? |
| 18:22.34 | beandog | what could you possibly argue against in favor of the RIAA |
| 18:22.38 | mindjuju | so i've gained back like 30 min, and should gain the rest back by skipping lunch |
| 18:23.04 | mindjuju | well, i was ranting and _psychic_ brought up some good points |
| 18:23.08 | mindjuju | progressed from there |
| 18:23.37 | mindjuju | essentially, i argue consumer rights and _psychic_ feels that if you purchase something with a license you're obliged to that license |
| 18:24.14 | beandog | well CDs dont come with licenses, that I know of. |
| 18:24.20 | beandog | I dunno about online downloads |
| 18:25.58 | mindjuju | beandog - i think _psychic_ may argue that point with you, though i'd ask him for his full stance |
| 18:26.11 | mindjuju | while i understand it, i'm not able to argue it well, since i don't agree |
| 18:27.20 | beandog | I only have a problem with licenses that are overly binding |
| 18:27.27 | beandog | DVD licensing, for example, is extremely stupid. |
| 18:27.35 | beandog | But I do agree with parts of it. |
| 18:28.06 | mindjuju | amazingly enough, there is a lot of grey area with copyright laws and the laws that govern contracts |
| 18:28.09 | beandog | When it comes to physical copies though, Im of the belief that you can do whatever with it you want since you purchased it, outside of duplicating it freely. |
| 18:28.22 | mindjuju | and these overlap when you look at this issue, making for further gray area |
| 18:28.42 | beandog | Well I doubt the legality of one-sided "contracts" such as EULAs anywya |
| 18:28.58 | beandog | Because then youre getting into the whole "by reading this webpage you agree to ... " crap |
| 18:29.10 | beandog | or "by opening this box / installing this software" |
| 18:29.14 | mindjuju | i take a very similar stance on all the points you raise |
| 18:31.02 | beandog | Oh well. 50 years from now, it probably won't be an issue anymore. |
| 18:31.13 | beandog | Kinda like how 25 years ago it was "illegal" to use a non-AT&T phone with your wall jack. |
| 18:31.26 | beandog | Now of course, everyone laughs their pants off at that prospect, but thats how it was. |
| 18:31.54 | mindjuju | yeah, this battle between tech manufactors and content creators has existed and will exist |
| 18:32.35 | mindjuju | like you say, phones, or my argument, video (VHS v Beta), now digital quality copies and burners, and in future will be something else |
| 18:33.20 | beandog | Now one thing I find really interesting, is that while the RIAA takes one aggressive stance, not all the studios agree with them |
| 18:33.36 | beandog | In fact, if you look at the digital distribution deals (movies or music), each studio is doing something different. |
| 18:33.59 | beandog | Like, you'll only see Universal moves on Comcasts' OnDemand ... or only Disney is using MovieBeam, or only Paramount is selling to iTunes, etc. |
| 18:33.59 | mindjuju | true, v true |
| 18:34.13 | beandog | So, its not really a united front as I think is believed. |
| 18:34.26 | beandog | There are some content companies that are way ahead, and some are stuck in the stone age. |
| 18:34.41 | mindjuju | a lot of flux as industry try to deal with the people's mandate of accessibility and use of products they buy |
| 18:34.46 | beandog | The MPAA and RIAA, equally, have their own opinons. |
| 18:35.16 | beandog | Heck, a *great* example of studios split on decisions is just looking at DVDs as an emerging technology just a few years ago |
| 18:35.26 | beandog | Warner *totally* hopped on the idea, had the first "Special Edition" discs |
| 18:35.31 | beandog | MGM was the next one |
| 18:35.41 | beandog | Universal made the crappiest discs of all (still do) |
| 18:35.49 | beandog | Disney and Fox held out for years. |
| 18:35.50 | mindjuju | good point, hadn't thought of that |
| 18:35.59 | beandog | So ... yah ... definatlely not a uniform opinion. |
| 18:36.05 | mgeary | OT: i *hate* DVDs and consider them a barely-necessary evil |
| 18:36.17 | mgeary | fragile, unusable pieces of plastic |
| 18:36.26 | mgeary | not to say i hate movies, but i really hate DVDs |
| 18:36.29 | beandog | at least the DRM is easily crackable |
| 18:36.40 | mgeary | beandog: if you're willing to watch all your movies on a computer |
| 18:36.57 | beandog | mgeary, movies, no, tv shows, yah |
| 18:37.11 | mgeary | just the whole, "no no, you can't skip past this, NOPE, you've GOTTA watch this preview, or this FCC warning..." |
| 18:37.29 | mgeary | and you can't take a movie to another room, pop it in, and resume where you left off |
| 18:37.31 | mindjuju | yeah, i rip dvds i buy and store them on my SAN |
| 18:37.38 | mgeary | and heaven forbid your kids get ahold of a disc |
| 18:37.44 | mgeary | VHS++++++ |
| 18:37.46 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:37.50 | mgeary | totally |
| 18:37.50 | beandog | Actually Im with mgeary on that one |
| 18:37.52 | beandog | I love VHS. |
| 18:37.58 | beandog | I still buy movies on there occassionally. |
| 18:38.04 | mgeary | can you FIND any?? |
| 18:38.06 | beandog | oh yah |
| 18:38.08 | beandog | amazon.com |
| 18:38.09 | beandog | there are tons |
| 18:38.10 | mindjuju | you buy, rip/store, and put the DVD in a box |
| 18:38.11 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:38.11 | beandog | its great too |
| 18:38.15 | beandog | $2 for pretty much anything |
| 18:38.18 | mindjuju | in basement, that is |
| 18:38.22 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:38.32 | beandog | You can even get VHS Players with component / svideo out |
| 18:38.33 | mindjuju | no more scratched DVDs |
| 18:38.35 | beandog | and stereo out |
| 18:38.40 | beandog | quality sound and picture |
| 18:38.43 | mgeary | yep |
| 18:38.50 | beandog | its not HDMI, but its not bad, either. |
| 18:38.52 | mgeary | certainly good enough. i'm not a snob enough to tell a difference |
| 18:39.13 | mgeary | s/snob/moviephile |
| 18:39.17 | mgeary | :) |
| 18:39.53 | mgeary | anyway, DVDs just drive me crazy. when we finally splurge for the in-home theatre, it's going to be able to play movies from hard drive |
| 18:42.14 | mindjuju | mgeary, no need to splurge bro |
| 18:42.19 | mindjuju | xbox on eBay are cheap |
| 18:42.30 | mindjuju | buy a couple and deploy around the house |
| 18:42.41 | mgeary | i'm talking about remodeling the downstairs room, doing stadium seating, etc |
| 18:43.06 | mindjuju | and do a <quickLookAround>Linux overwrite</quicklookaround> |
| 18:43.20 | mindjuju | then you get an fully functional xbox and a killer robust media player |
| 18:43.27 | mindjuju | that whoops the pants off anything currently on market |
| 18:43.38 | mindjuju | win - win |
| 18:43.42 | mgeary | yeah, but then i have to have an xbox |
| 18:43.58 | mindjuju | oh, not a console fan |
| 18:44.01 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:44.18 | mgeary | i reason, games on computers can at least teach you some computer skills as a side effect... |
| 18:44.18 | mindjuju | hmmm... you should ask thebigdog, he does myth |
| 18:44.34 | mgeary | games on consoles are just time vacuums |
| 18:44.42 | mgeary | appealing time vacuums, but nonetheless |
| 18:45.02 | mindjuju | true that |
| 18:45.17 | mindjuju | unless of course, you're playing Halo 2, and have the skillz to beat dataw0lf |
| 18:45.22 | mindjuju | then that's a pretty good use of time |
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| 19:22.02 | mindjuju | ~APB bradym |
| 19:22.03 | jbot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to stake out bradym |
| 19:22.17 | bradym | mindjuju: I'm here |
| 19:22.50 | mindjuju | hey bradym, can you PM me your shipping address? |
| 19:23.01 | mindjuju | i can't find that email that you sent me with it |
| 19:23.03 | mindjuju | for that book |
| 19:23.26 | bradym | ok sure |
| 19:23.32 | mindjuju | sorry, thx |
| 19:24.04 | bradym | no worries |
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| 19:54.54 | mindjuju | bradym -- believe it or not, the book was sent! |
| 19:55.04 | mindjuju | sorry took so long |
| 19:58.15 | tierra | looks like about an even split - 50/50 between a talk on MediaWiki Publisher and one on svnLogBrowser |
| 19:59.07 | tierra | sorry mindjuju, but I'm going to have to go with the one I have more interest in talking on -- svnLogBrowser |
| 20:01.14 | tierra | I still think it's more generally useful to a larger audience than MWP - which is only interesting to those using MediaWiki, and publishing material... whereas pretty much everyone in the group deals with version control of some form or another |
| 20:01.48 | mindjuju | hey bro, it's a win - win for me |
| 20:01.56 | mindjuju | both solid topics and lots of interest |
| 20:02.04 | tierra | hehe |
| 20:04.13 | dataw0lf | I want a presentation on that sexy mole on tierra's back |
| 20:04.14 | dataw0lf | .... |
| 20:04.19 | dataw0lf | forget I said anything |
| 20:08.22 | mindjuju | uhh... hmmm... |
| 20:08.35 | mindjuju | k, how did you know it was.... nah, never mind |
| 20:10.40 | bradym | thanks for sending that book mindjuju |
| 20:11.51 | mindjuju | fo sho bro, course it's going USPS Mule rate, but they've upped the delivery time from the last time i used it. Mule used to run like 2 weeks to get there, now it is 4 days |
| 20:11.54 | mindjuju | only $3 |
| 20:12.23 | dataw0lf | the fact that it's mindjuju's mother-in-law's busy season doesn't help |
| 20:13.17 | mindjuju | funny, but actually, my mother in law passed away 2 years ago August |
| 20:13.27 | mindjuju | truth |
| 20:13.54 | dataw0lf | .... |
| 20:14.10 | dataw0lf | she had to go and ruin a perfectly good joke by dying |
| 20:14.16 | dataw0lf | that's JUST like mother-in-laws |
| 20:15.24 | mindjuju | it's cool, i know you didn't know |
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| 20:45.26 | brasto | ~welcome wps |
| 20:45.27 | jbot | Welcome to the party, wps! |
| 20:45.43 | wps | thanks |
| 20:50.32 | orsonj | I have to say, I don't mind website upgrades that involve a bunch of fun redesign/figure stuff out, modify a couple files, followed by a single sitewide search/replace. Then sprinkle some little fixes throughout. |
| 20:51.04 | orsonj | good template systems++ |
| 20:51.27 | mindjuju | lucky you, they don't all go that smooth |
| 20:51.41 | orsonj | getting close to finishing a html -> xhtml upgrade |
| 20:52.30 | orsonj | yep, I didn't have to deal with the back-end db/security stuff. |
| 20:52.30 | timinator | find <br> replace <br /> |
| 20:53.34 | mindjuju | and for all you guys who may want to have a music dual, nothing beats a woman mixin' and scratching |
| 20:53.53 | mindjuju | which is second only to a chix0r |
| 20:54.11 | mindjuju | oops, i mean duel, not dual |
| 20:54.18 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:54.35 | timinator | dual baby anne == killer duel |
| 20:55.03 | mindjuju | Dark side of the boom, now there is an album |
| 20:55.28 | timinator | volume++ |
| 20:55.31 | timinator | volume++ |
| 20:55.42 | mindjuju | bass++ |
| 20:59.31 | mikesmullin | i need a secure IM solution, any ideas? |
| 21:00.03 | orsonj | I believe pidgin has a couple encryption plugins |
| 21:00.10 | mindjuju | yeah it does |
| 21:00.16 | mikesmullin | but they only work with other pidgins, right? |
| 21:00.20 | wps | do you want to use an existing service or run your own server? |
| 21:00.28 | mgeary | mikesmullin: whisper really quietly |
| 21:00.50 | mikesmullin | i want something that works with the most people |
| 21:00.50 | orsonj | white noise generator++ |
| 21:01.25 | orsonj | something with basic ssl, or something that lets you verify the other person? |
| 21:01.32 | wps | most clients and services out there allow for chat encryption |
| 21:02.09 | xilch|w | mikesmullin: do you need only the end parties to be able to view the message, or do you trust the server? |
| 21:02.12 | wps | I can do it with GoogleTalk, MSN, AOL, japper, etc through Adium |
| 21:02.27 | wps | that's mostly what I was wonderingโฆย what xilch|w just asked |
| 21:02.52 | mikesmullin | orsonj: verifying other person is not a priority |
| 21:02.53 | mikesmullin | xilch|w: i do not trust the server |
| 21:03.01 | xilch|w | the off the record protocol might be interesting - it has plugins for a few clients |
| 21:03.18 | wps | it sounds like you will have to run your own server thenโฆย and in that case, I would recommend jabber |
| 21:03.35 | mindjuju | yeah, but does off the record require the other party to also run the plugin? |
| 21:03.41 | mikesmullin | wps: Adium for Mac OS/X only? |
| 21:03.42 | mindjuju | i was interested in that, but didn't get to research it |
| 21:03.47 | wps | yes |
| 21:03.59 | wps | but Trillian does the same thing on Windows and Pidgen does the same thing on Linux |
| 21:04.00 | xilch|w | yeah, you'll need your own server or an encryption plugin that is supported by whatever mix of clients you want to use |
| 21:04.30 | beandog | ask atoponce about that stuff |
| 21:04.34 | beandog | he's looked into it |
| 21:04.39 | beandog | im encryption |
| 21:04.50 | xilch|w | anything where you don't trust the server must be supported by the clients at both ends of the conversation |
| 21:05.55 | xilch|w | hey dataw0lf, you know of any IM encryption plugin that is well supported? |
| 21:06.01 | mindjuju | ~seen atoponce |
| 21:06.07 | jbot | atoponce <n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu-utah, 2h 52m 29s ago, saying: '~ignore peno '. |
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| 21:07.06 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v drip] by ChanServ |
| 21:16.58 | beandog | hes in #utah |
| 21:17.39 | dataw0lf | xilch|w: for what IM service? |
| 21:17.44 | dataw0lf | I mean, Jabber. |
| 21:18.13 | mindjuju | mikesmullin is looking for a secure IM |
| 21:18.18 | mindjuju | where the server isn't trusted |
| 21:18.34 | mindjuju | any ideas dataw0lf ? |
| 21:18.38 | mikesmullin | actually i'm still in the research stage so i'm looking for any type of solution |
| 21:18.39 | dataw0lf | you can use GnuPG |
| 21:19.00 | mindjuju | true, and most secure, but would require other person to have GPG to decrypt |
| 21:19.11 | mindjuju | wasn't that a limitation you had mikesmullin? |
| 21:19.21 | dataw0lf | right, but if the server isn't trusted, you're going to need the other person to do some sort of decryption anyways |
| 21:19.54 | mikesmullin | well that would be ideal--but if it's not realistic then i'd settle for anything |
| 21:20.27 | mikesmullin | the ideal solution is something i can use to encrypt my conversations, where i don't have to trust the IM server, and that anyone (even my grandma) can use with me |
| 21:20.37 | dataw0lf | I guess you could set up a proxy past the untrusted server, if you have a server that you can proxy an IM connection with |
| 21:20.42 | dataw0lf | but that may take some hackery on your part |
| 21:21.11 | dataw0lf | yea, that's what I'd do |
| 21:21.22 | dataw0lf | well, see, that wouldn't work either |
| 21:21.31 | dataw0lf | because you still the need the server for the 3rd - end point convo |
| 21:21.38 | dataw0lf | GnuPG is your best bet |
| 21:21.50 | dataw0lf | or get your friends on a secure Jabber server |
| 21:22.06 | mindjuju | too bad there isn't an IM client that has a server as a directory but once the connection is made, server steps out, and then SSL that |
| 21:22.11 | mindjuju | doesn't ICQ do that ? |
| 21:22.19 | dataw0lf | I don't think so. |
| 21:22.35 | dataw0lf | but perhaps |
| 21:22.48 | mindjuju | well... dag! then we should write something up! We'd be heros! |
| 21:22.50 | mindjuju | legends even! |
| 21:23.18 | beandog | Yah ... we could call it .. DCC chat |
| 21:23.20 | beandog | :) |
| 21:23.41 | beandog | at least I think thats how it works. |
| 21:23.53 | dataw0lf | it does. |
| 21:24.26 | mindjuju | it'd be tricky as both people would have to be able to directly access each other, like over a network or with public IPs |
| 21:24.56 | mindjuju | otherwise, the server isn't fully stepped out of the equation |
| 21:26.13 | *** join/#uphpu mikesmullin (i=user@63.76.119.176) |
| 21:28.46 | mikesmullin | this looks good http://www.secway.fr/us/products/all.php |
| 21:29.16 | mikesmullin | a plugin that works for multiple services and multiple clients (e.g. GTalk/Jabber or Trillian) |
| 21:29.33 | mikesmullin | there's a free version |
| 21:31.15 | PoeticIntensity | oh man.... I can't believe I missed that conversation... |
| 21:31.23 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary... I've done exactly what you talked about. |
| 21:31.27 | mindjuju | what conversation? |
| 21:31.30 | PoeticIntensity | (minus the stadium seating) |
| 21:31.37 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 21:31.40 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, the whole DRM stuff.. |
| 21:31.40 | mgeary | beandog: totally |
| 21:31.43 | beandog | ;) |
| 21:31.48 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: gooood morning |
| 21:31.50 | PoeticIntensity | man, today has been nuts. |
| 21:32.00 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/ |
| 21:32.04 | PoeticIntensity | first two entries, if you please. :) |
| 21:32.13 | mindjuju | well, _psychic_ is here if you want to hear his stance |
| 21:32.16 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... and I had no idea you guys were chatting about that. |
| 21:32.19 | orsonj | funny, I thought your post was somewhat in response to the conversation this morning. |
| 21:32.31 | PoeticIntensity | just readin' my RSS feeds. |
| 21:32.56 | PoeticIntensity | I've been using Myth for TV, Music, Photos, and Movies now for 2 years. |
| 21:33.08 | PoeticIntensity | It serves my purpose *extremely* well. |
| 21:33.17 | mindjuju | mikesmullin, that looks good, but don't all parties have to have it? |
| 21:33.42 | mindjuju | in the which case, dataw0lf's idea of gpg is free, though prolly not as friendly |
| 21:33.57 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: awesome |
| 21:34.06 | PoeticIntensity | my wife uses it daily. |
| 21:34.09 | mikesmullin | mindjuju: ya but since it's free and it works with the free ad clients that most ppl use, i could probably convince ppl to install for sensitive conversations |
| 21:34.10 | PoeticIntensity | it's very user-friendly. |
| 21:34.24 | mikesmullin | i'm still searching though... |
| 21:34.53 | beandog | PoeticIntensity is bribable, its true. |
| 21:34.56 | beandog | Ive done it twice. |
| 21:35.08 | beandog | er... |
| 21:35.11 | beandog | for .. .installing hardware. |
| 21:35.14 | mikesmullin | mindjuju: i'd rather switch to an IM service like you outlined above... DCC Chat isn't going to cut it :/ |
| 21:35.25 | mindjuju | i've heard that Myth started to include all kinds of home automation stuff, sounds cool |
| 21:35.42 | PoeticIntensity | not sure about that, but so far - it's been amazing. |
| 21:36.06 | mindjuju | mikesmullin, i think about the closest you're going to get to that is running the chat service through your web server |
| 21:36.20 | mindjuju | and then it's SSL to the web server for both you and client |
| 21:36.30 | mindjuju | secure and no install |
| 21:36.55 | mindjuju | just a form to submit comment --> mysql --> display on your side |
| 21:37.45 | mindjuju | but then you'd have to have that web page up at all times, or you could do some fancy php footwork, where if you marked "out of office" it would take comments put into form and post to your cell phone or email ya |
| 21:38.08 | beandog | You know what would be really cool? |
| 21:38.12 | beandog | A website that was a frontend to SSH |
| 21:38.34 | beandog | So I could type in my username and seekrit password and tunnel through port 80 using AJAX or Java! |
| 21:39.02 | mindjuju | could be hawt |
| 21:39.16 | PoeticIntensity | oh... and the whole "I hate DVDs thing", mgeary ..... |
| 21:39.27 | PoeticIntensity | I would too, if I couldn't rip and watch through a hard drive... |
| 21:39.34 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:39.39 | mindjuju | but i still think the coolest uphpu meet we evar had was dataw0lf port knocking |
| 21:39.50 | mgeary | though some discs are resistant to MediaFork for some reason |
| 21:39.52 | PoeticIntensity | and as far as seeking to the last place watched... beandog is making quite the headway in this area with matroska... |
| 21:39.55 | mindjuju | how cool is that? |
| 21:40.26 | beandog | mgeary, oh, you need that? oh, you need a computer. |
| 21:40.36 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, I have yet to find a DVD I couldn't rip... If you know of any problematic ones, let me know and I'd be happy to help ya find a way around whatever is blocking ya. |
| 21:40.38 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, headway? its done, baby. :) |
| 21:40.42 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, you dont need matroska either. |
| 21:40.50 | PoeticIntensity | well there ya have it. beandog is the expert. :) |
| 21:40.53 | beandog | You can use it with mythtv too |
| 21:40.59 | beandog | its just a wrapper script around your player |
| 21:41.04 | beandog | assuming your player is mplayer -_- |
| 21:41.08 | beandog | because mplayer > your mom |
| 21:41.15 | beandog | does your mom playback MPEG2? I didnt think so. |
| 21:41.38 | PoeticIntensity | but can mplayer birth ya? |
| 21:41.43 | PoeticIntensity | that's the real question. |
| 21:41.44 | beandog | stop typing |
| 21:41.55 | beandog | :) |
| 21:41.56 | PoeticIntensity | beandog can't take the heat! |
| 21:42.01 | PoeticIntensity | :-D |
| 21:42.04 | PoeticIntensity | yo mamma's heat! |
| 21:42.30 | mindjuju | uh oh, a yo mamma fight a brewin' |
| 21:42.38 | beandog | ~yomomma |
| 21:42.42 | beandog | ~yomama |
| 21:42.46 | beandog | poo. |
| 21:43.09 | PoeticIntensity | nah.... beandog knows he doesn't stand a chance. |
| 21:43.30 | timinator | mindjuju: you want a soda? |
| 21:43.44 | mindjuju | that's not what I heard. beandog told me the other day some stuff about somebody's mamma wearing combat boots |
| 21:43.48 | mindjuju | i'd love some soda! |
| 21:44.15 | beandog | heh |
| 21:44.21 | mindjuju | slip slip! |
| 21:44.51 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh*... |
| 21:44.56 | PoeticIntensity | I hate days where I don't get jack done... |
| 21:45.06 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta work today.... |
| 21:45.12 | PoeticIntensity | I've...... just....... gotta.................... |
| 21:45.13 | mindjuju | ... looks like we're losing critical mass... |
| 21:45.24 | mindjuju | reaction didn't go critical |
| 21:45.46 | beandog | theres nothing but live |
| 21:45.47 | beandog | er |
| 21:45.48 | beandog | love. |
| 21:46.13 | mindjuju | oh man, i thought i was going to see some combat |
| 21:46.28 | mindjuju | best get back to work then |
| 21:47.14 | timinator | woop |
| 21:48.16 | _psychic_ | grrr |
| 21:49.46 | _psychic_ | yaaaaaaa |
| 21:49.49 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 21:49.57 | _psychic_ | ...aaaaaaa..... |
| 21:51.05 | mindjuju | (as seen in Big Trouble in Little China(tm)) |
| 21:51.20 | mindjuju | and incants, "it will come out no more!" |
| 21:53.57 | mindjuju | oops, that's jack burton |
| 21:54.20 | mindjuju | oh yeah, 80's flashback, let me find one real quick |
| 21:57.33 | mindjuju | Today's 80's flashback brought to you by Wheaties, now with a picture of Mary Lou Tetton - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzifA0lwnpc |
| 21:57.44 | mindjuju | oops, that Retton |
| 21:58.19 | mindjuju | that girl in that movie was amazing |
| 22:04.19 | *** join/#uphpu opapo (n=root@www.alpine.k12.ut.us) |
| 22:04.53 | opapo | how do you have multipoints in a ol? |
| 22:05.12 | opapo | ie 1 1.2 1.2.1 etc. |
| 22:06.36 | mindjuju | opapo - there isn't a way i know of to have it down automatically |
| 22:06.45 | mindjuju | there are several forms of OL, but none like that |
| 22:07.00 | mindjuju | you'd prolly have to do it manually |
| 22:09.55 | *** join/#uphpu timinator_ (n=timinato@c-67-171-118-199.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:10.19 | mgeary | that's not Sean Penn, is it??? |
| 22:10.21 | mgeary | he'd be too old |
| 22:10.39 | mgeary | Patrick Dempsey |
| 22:10.40 | timinator_ | this ROCKS |
| 22:10.48 | mindjuju | in that vid? yeah, dempsey |
| 22:10.58 | mgeary | boy he looks a lot like Sean Penn |
| 22:16.28 | dataw0lf | I switch to uphpu and you're comparing the looks of male movie stars |
| 22:16.30 | dataw0lf | FAIL |
| 22:16.45 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 22:17.11 | mindjuju | hey, when can we get you back up here to do a segment on Security and PHP ? |
| 22:18.53 | beandog | lol dataw0lf |
| 22:19.02 | beandog | Im glad I missed that one :) |
| 22:19.31 | beandog | mindjuju and his 80s. Its a winning combination every time! :D |
| 22:19.46 | beandog | did you see that brite lite commercial on youtube? |
| 22:20.02 | mindjuju | the one you put on the other day -- yup |
| 22:20.07 | mindjuju | brings back memories |
| 22:20.14 | beandog | what about the kids incorporated one? |
| 22:20.17 | beandog | now that was frightenting |
| 22:20.26 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: might be visiting in November |
| 22:20.29 | mindjuju | oh yeah, i did see that |
| 22:20.48 | mindjuju | dataw0lf - we should see if you could do that in nov. |
| 22:20.51 | mindjuju | it would be awesome |
| 22:21.20 | dataw0lf | alright, what's the exact date of the November meeting? |
| 22:21.42 | mindjuju | Nov 15th |
| 22:21.47 | beandog | mindjuju, do you have hdtv at home |
| 22:21.49 | dataw0lf | hmmmmm |
| 22:22.00 | mindjuju | nope, no hdtv |
| 22:22.02 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: darn, that might be a little too soon after the Vegoose concert |
| 22:22.04 | beandog | mm |
| 22:22.07 | beandog | ~upgrade mindjuju |
| 22:22.09 | dataw0lf | maybe December then |
| 22:22.28 | mindjuju | december - dec 20th |
| 22:22.29 | wps | someone mind testing a URL for me? to see if it's visible outside of my firewall? |
| 22:22.31 | wps | http://marketing-db.orm.omniture.com/projects/000189/final/email/en/000189.email_thankyou.en.html |
| 22:22.34 | dataw0lf | hmmmm |
| 22:22.40 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I could do that |
| 22:22.44 | beandog | wps, nope |
| 22:22.47 | wps | thanks |
| 22:23.01 | beandog | I think I was saved by a bout of marketspeak |
| 22:23.02 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, that would be awesome! |
| 22:23.11 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: put me on the schedule |
| 22:23.17 | beandog | wps, youre at ominture now? |
| 22:23.46 | orsonj | wps: what is the ip? it doesn't resolve. (just because it doesn't resolve doesn't mean someone couldn't get in) |
| 22:24.35 | wps | yes, beandog; been here since July |
| 22:24.57 | mindjuju | gotcha down dataw0lf |
| 22:25.01 | beandog | ah, cool |
| 22:26.12 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: alright, any specific topics we want covered? |
| 22:26.44 | mindjuju | do you have any suggestions? |
| 22:27.14 | dataw0lf | well, there's two main topics: PHP / Web Dev security, and Server Security |
| 22:27.21 | dataw0lf | you wanted PHP app security, correct? |
| 22:27.22 | mindjuju | i think anything Security and PHP would be awesome or maybe secur ... yup |
| 22:27.31 | mindjuju | was just going to say the same thing |
| 22:27.47 | mindjuju | can we do both? |
| 22:27.56 | mindjuju | half time on one and half time on other? |
| 22:28.06 | dataw0lf | hmm, I'd like to really lock down on one topic |
| 22:28.22 | mindjuju | do you have a preference? |
| 22:28.53 | mindjuju | i'm leaning towards PHP and security, but server is equally important |
| 22:29.03 | dataw0lf | let's do PHP app security then |
| 22:29.14 | dataw0lf | I'll have a workshop to walk through after the dry presentation proper |
| 22:29.20 | timinator_ | that's a no-go wps |
| 22:29.29 | wps | thanks |
| 22:29.44 | mindjuju | cool |
| 22:31.47 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v timinator] by ChanServ |
| 22:42.47 | timinator | sql question |
| 22:42.55 | timinator | I'm pulling up some records |
| 22:42.58 | timinator | w/ dates |
| 22:43.38 | timinator | and I'd like to pull up the ones w/ empty dates first.... then ORDER BY dates for the rest |
| 22:44.02 | timinator | so ..... datetime 0000-00-00 00:00:00 would come first |
| 22:44.14 | timinator | but then one dated for yesterday would come next |
| 22:44.28 | timinator | and one dated for last week would come after that |
| 22:44.48 | timinator | is there a way to do that in the query? |
| 22:45.09 | beandog | sure |
| 22:45.11 | beandog | just order it twice |
| 22:45.16 | beandog | order by function(date), date |
| 22:47.42 | mindjuju | ARGH!!!!! why can't i find the manual install instructions for PHP 5.2.4 for a win 2k environ ?????? |
| 22:47.58 | beandog | heh |
| 22:48.08 | timinator | ........cause win 2k sucks? |
| 22:48.10 | beandog | windows + iis? |
| 22:48.20 | beandog | Ive done php5 on win2k a few times. |
| 22:48.55 | mindjuju | yeah, php on IIS |
| 22:49.00 | mindjuju | isn't there some special stuff you have to do |
| 22:49.03 | timinator | beandog: I don't quite follow ya on the function(date) |
| 22:49.04 | beandog | yah |
| 22:49.05 | beandog | its a pain. |
| 22:49.06 | mindjuju | special rights on the php folder |
| 22:49.07 | timinator | .... researching |
| 22:49.13 | beandog | timinator, function == ordering function |
| 22:49.16 | mindjuju | well, all they have now is this -- http://us.php.net/manual/en/install.windows.php#install.windows.installer.msi |
| 22:49.21 | mindjuju | and that's worthless! |
| 22:49.23 | beandog | order by this first, then the natural order |
| 22:49.29 | beandog | yah the MSI sucks. |
| 22:49.39 | timinator | oh.... trying |
| 22:50.02 | beandog | mindjuju, hold on I used to have a doc of how to do it |
| 22:50.19 | mindjuju | that would be awesome, cause i'm pulling out what hair i have left,and I don't have much |
| 22:51.05 | timinator | so, here's my sql.... and it returns nada: |
| 22:51.09 | beandog | mm, cant find it. |
| 22:51.10 | beandog | hold on |
| 22:51.18 | timinator | SELECT * FROM mills_kiln_reports WHERE mill=2 ORDER BY function(end), end |
| 22:51.55 | timinator | as opposed to this, that returns all rows: SELECT * FROM mills_kiln_reports WHERE mill=2 |
| 22:52.02 | timinator | `end` is a datetime |
| 22:52.18 | beandog | what you should really do is not store datetimes that are 00000 |
| 22:52.18 | timinator | and if it hasn't ended, I'd like to show them first |
| 22:52.20 | beandog | and instead use null |
| 22:52.28 | beandog | Then youd just sort by ISNULL(end), end |
| 22:52.43 | timinator | hmmmm |
| 22:52.48 | timinator | that's a good idea |
| 22:53.35 | beandog | mindjuju, found it, hold on |
| 22:54.12 | mindjuju | k |
| 22:56.25 | beandog | http://rafb.net/p/SvGIv516.html |
| 22:56.49 | beandog | mindjuju, ^^ |
| 22:56.54 | mindjuju | thx beandog, i owe ya |
| 22:57.21 | beandog | mindjuju, lemme know if it works |
| 22:57.31 | beandog | php + iis + win2k = ulcer land |
| 22:57.50 | mindjuju | i've gotten it to work before, but just haven't had to put up php on 2k in a while |
| 22:58.29 | beandog | mindjuju, oh, remember to restart IIS |
| 22:58.31 | beandog | or the box -_- |
| 22:58.33 | beandog | not the website. |
| 22:58.34 | mindjuju | k |
| 22:58.50 | beandog | Seems like you have to put something in c:\windows\sytem32 as well |
| 22:58.51 | beandog | php.ini ? |
| 22:58.53 | beandog | I dont remember. |
| 22:59.11 | mindjuju | oh YEAH! see, i remembered there was something like that |
| 22:59.21 | mindjuju | stuff that wasn't happening wiht the installer, and they were pushing the msi |
| 23:01.37 | beandog | the msi sucks. dont remember why. |
| 23:03.58 | dataw0lf | across the universeeeeee |
| 23:06.36 | dataw0lf | http://a394.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/97/l_111dabfc7ce5904c7d4bdb4e7978b049.jpg |
| 23:06.39 | dataw0lf | bah |
| 23:06.40 | dataw0lf | wrong channel |
| 23:08.14 | *** join/#uphpu Shaun (n=prowebso@72.25.165.82) |
| 23:08.27 | PoeticIntensity | Hi Shaun! |
| 23:08.36 | Shaun | hey bruthuh |
| 23:08.46 | Shaun | I made it into the matrix.. |
| 23:08.55 | PoeticIntensity | guys.... this is a fellow web dev.... Shaun... This is uphpu.. :) |
| 23:09.06 | PoeticIntensity | Just introduced him to UPHPU today. |
| 23:09.14 | Shaun | Howdy all! |
| 23:09.14 | mindjuju | sup Shaun |
| 23:09.25 | timinator | hi Shaun |
| 23:09.29 | Shaun | Im' stoked be part of the group! |
| 23:09.35 | Shaun | hi there... |
| 23:10.11 | Shaun | looks like I need to come up with a cooler username here :) |
| 23:10.12 | beandog | hi Shaun |
| 23:10.20 | Shaun | hey beandog.. what up! |
| 23:10.24 | beandog | ows it going |
| 23:10.30 | Shaun | awesome... |
| 23:10.33 | beandog | rawk :) |
| 23:10.44 | Shaun | where you all from? |
| 23:11.06 | dataw0lf | Hungary |
| 23:11.20 | Shaun | right on.. |
| 23:11.34 | beandog | SLC |
| 23:11.39 | Shaun | I'm from Draper, UT.. about 40 min from PoetiIntensity |
| 23:11.41 | timinator | aww, crap.... here comes the ASL question |
| 23:11.56 | beandog | 15/f/hawt |
| 23:12.02 | dataw0lf | I'll answer for tim, 45/G/Hell |
| 23:12.09 | beandog | lol |
| 23:12.10 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:12.12 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:12.41 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 23:12.53 | PoeticIntensity | oh my.... that was hilarious..... |
| 23:12.57 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 23:13.04 | Shaun | LOL .. so this is where the php gurus hang out eh? |
| 23:13.04 | PoeticIntensity | ok... Shaun isn't hip to the whole IRC thing, either... |
| 23:13.17 | PoeticIntensity | but, he's a great web dev, and he's in Utah, so I thought "what the hey". |
| 23:13.21 | beandog | Shaun, that and PoeticIntensity |
| 23:13.29 | dataw0lf | He a member of the mailing list, PoeticIntensity? |
| 23:13.33 | PoeticIntensity | but... he does use... ahem.... windows... |
| 23:13.38 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, he just joined. |
| 23:13.42 | dataw0lf | Better than OS X. |
| 23:13.44 | timinator | shaun++ |
| 23:13.50 | beandog | lol dataw0lf |
| 23:14.05 | timinator | WHAT?!?!!? |
| 23:14.07 | Shaun | ok.. don't throw any rocks at me.. |
| 23:14.13 | timinator | gimme a break DW |
| 23:14.15 | dataw0lf | I shall shield you with my body, Shaun. |
| 23:14.23 | PoeticIntensity | don't worry... this isn't a Linux Users Group. |
| 23:14.32 | Shaun | *whew* |
| 23:14.35 | PoeticIntensity | and don't worry about dataw0lf ... he's harmless. |
| 23:14.43 | dataw0lf | pseudo-harmless, anyways. |
| 23:14.46 | PoeticIntensity | he'll hail you now, but watch your back... ;-) |
| 23:14.49 | dataw0lf | Unless you're a sensitive type. |
| 23:14.59 | timinator | nearly-harmless |
| 23:15.15 | PoeticIntensity | so... you're gonna present, dataw0lf, this December? |
| 23:15.26 | dataw0lf | that's right, guvnah |
| 23:15.27 | beandog | Shaun, btw, if we dont answer, its because were working / coding |
| 23:15.32 | dataw0lf | drive to SLC |
| 23:15.33 | PoeticIntensity | I *will* be there. |
| 23:15.33 | beandog | Which is why this channel is constantly active. |
| 23:15.39 | dataw0lf | Fun stuff. |
| 23:15.39 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:15.39 | PoeticIntensity | I need all the security help I can get. |
| 23:15.45 | Shaun | ok |
| 23:15.48 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, have you tried a blanket? |
| 23:15.48 | dataw0lf | I'm purty good with the security. |
| 23:15.56 | dataw0lf | beandog: ehl oh ehl |
| 23:16.01 | Shaun | so do you keep this chat running all the time or do you guys just log in at certain times? |
| 23:16.01 | timinator | cause he's a hacka |
| 23:16.02 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... it didn't *quite* do the job... |
| 23:16.03 | PoeticIntensity | but almost. |
| 23:16.12 | dataw0lf | masta hacka |
| 23:16.14 | PoeticIntensity | Shaun, I've got the window open all the time. |
| 23:16.15 | dataw0lf | fo shizzle |
| 23:16.17 | dataw0lf | my nizzle |
| 23:16.26 | beandog | Shaun, usually just have a chat program running hte background, pop in when bored / distracted / need to chat about 80s movies |
| 23:16.35 | PoeticIntensity | Xchat will blink in your systray when someone types your nick. |
| 23:16.45 | Shaun | right on... |
| 23:16.58 | *** join/#uphpu mindjuju (n=mindjuju@65-121-75-195.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 23:16.58 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o mindjuju] by ChanServ |
| 23:17.02 | beandog | wb mindjuju |
| 23:17.07 | dataw0lf | I use screen so I'm ALWAYS on |
| 23:17.10 | Shaun | well I'm glad PoeticIntensity turn me onto this |
| 23:17.39 | dataw0lf | How long you been doing web dev, Shaun? |
| 23:17.41 | beandog | Shaun, try /me foo bars to use actions |
| 23:17.42 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... also.. all the people with green dots by their name (in the room list) are people you don't wanna offend... :) |
| 23:17.48 | PoeticIntensity | ah darn.. thebigdog isn't here. |
| 23:17.51 | beandog | ~melvin mindjuju |
| 23:17.52 | jbot | ACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 23:17.54 | timinator | that's great Shaun..... now we have to ask you a few questions to see if you're cool enough to hang |
| 23:18.01 | timinator | DW,. you've got the floor |
| 23:18.03 | PoeticIntensity | uh oh.... |
| 23:18.16 | Shaun | I've been doing web dev 8 years now.. |
| 23:18.21 | dataw0lf | Oh yea? |
| 23:18.24 | beandog | you were hazed? |
| 23:18.26 | dataw0lf | What's your favorite programming language? |
| 23:18.40 | Shaun | got my first exposure to computer programming on the north shore of Oahu actually.. |
| 23:18.48 | dataw0lf | you from Hawaii? |
| 23:18.55 | PoeticIntensity | he'd like to be. :) |
| 23:18.59 | Shaun | nah.. just got bored and went over there for a 6-7 mos.. |
| 23:19.02 | dataw0lf | You surf? |
| 23:19.06 | Shaun | would DEFINITLY like to be.. |
| 23:19.20 | Shaun | boogie board.. I LOVE snorkling though.. |
| 23:19.27 | Shaun | just got back from Kauai last week |
| 23:19.45 | dataw0lf | lots of chicas. |
| 23:19.56 | timinator | that's cool |
| 23:20.06 | Shaun | ohhhhhhhhhh ya... hotties-o-plenty |
| 23:20.13 | dataw0lf | Ok. He's good. |
| 23:20.18 | timinator | chicas++ |
| 23:20.20 | Shaun | * whew * |
| 23:20.25 | Shaun | it's brutal in here j/k |
| 23:20.33 | mindjuju | k, i'm back |
| 23:20.37 | PoeticIntensity | wb |
| 23:20.44 | dataw0lf | go home |
| 23:20.44 | beandog | mindjuju, we have a noob! haze away |
| 23:20.44 | mindjuju | the party can start now |
| 23:20.45 | Shaun | datawolf, who were you asking about the fav programming language? |
| 23:20.48 | timinator | you missed the beating |
| 23:20.52 | dataw0lf | Shaun: you, of course. |
| 23:21.11 | timinator | ya, but you're cool on account of the hotties |
| 23:21.12 | mindjuju | Shaun, what is the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything? |
| 23:21.15 | PoeticIntensity | be very careful of your answer, Shaun |
| 23:21.24 | PoeticIntensity | choose wisely. |
| 23:21.39 | Shaun | oh.. I'm not a serious computer programmmer.. I've done some object oriented programming, c++ a little... |
| 23:22.18 | dataw0lf | Good answer. You're not a language nazi. |
| 23:22.20 | Shaun | but mostly just good ole html, php, mysql, right now deeply involved in some php/mysql db stuff.. |
| 23:22.24 | beandog | mysql? |
| 23:22.26 | beandog | noooo |
| 23:22.37 | dataw0lf | And before anyone says I'm a Python nazi, Python is a way of life, not a programming language. |
| 23:22.44 | dataw0lf | MySQL? |
| 23:22.50 | timinator | LOL DW |
| 23:23.07 | dataw0lf | 5 isn't too bad. |
| 23:23.13 | dataw0lf | I'm not really in the mood for flaming today anyways. |
| 23:23.24 | dataw0lf | Postgres still > MySQL, however. |
| 23:23.38 | Shaun | brb |
| 23:24.06 | dataw0lf | I have no problem with noobs, despite rumors to the contrary. I have problems with OUTSPOKEN noobs. |
| 23:24.10 | mindjuju | hmmm... shaun didn' t know answer to Life, Universe and everything |
| 23:24.14 | mindjuju | which is of course, 42 |
| 23:24.16 | dataw0lf | Shaun seems to be fairly congenial. |
| 23:24.29 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I thought it was 'dataw0lf' |
| 23:24.33 | dataw0lf | silly me. |
| 23:24.47 | mindjuju | no that's the person who is 98.5% omniscient |
| 23:24.54 | timinator | conceited bastard |
| 23:24.54 | beandog | congenial? |
| 23:24.59 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:25.05 | timinator | </mumble> |
| 23:25.09 | mindjuju | course, i'm at 99% |
| 23:25.13 | dataw0lf | beandog: laidback, easy to get along with. |
| 23:25.21 | beandog | oh okay |
| 23:25.35 | timinator | *sigh |
| 23:25.44 | timinator | I'm out guys.... later |
| 23:25.47 | dataw0lf | cya bro |
| 23:25.50 | mindjuju | laterz |
| 23:26.17 | PoeticIntensity | Shaun is a great guy.... |
| 23:26.29 | PoeticIntensity | I've known him for like... 10 years. |
| 23:26.35 | dataw0lf | seems pretty cool. |
| 23:26.36 | PoeticIntensity | (longer than I've known beandog) |
| 23:26.38 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 23:26.42 | mindjuju | k, who is hawter? Danica McKellar v Maureen McCormick ? |
| 23:26.43 | Shaun | back in a flash |
| 23:26.51 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Isla Fisher |
| 23:26.56 | PoeticIntensity | he's a little shaky with programming, but he's been doing professional "site shop" stuff for 8 years. |
| 23:27.11 | dataw0lf | ecommerce stuff? |
| 23:27.34 | dataw0lf | word |
| 23:27.45 | dataw0lf | hey, what's your blog, PoeticIntensity? I'm gonna link to it from my site |
| 23:27.49 | dataw0lf | and mindjuju, get yours fixed |
| 23:27.51 | PoeticIntensity | sweet... |
| 23:27.57 | mindjuju | Shaun you need a handle bro |
| 23:28.11 | PoeticIntensity | the URL sucks, but it'll be fixed eventually... |
| 23:28.13 | PoeticIntensity | for now it's |
| 23:28.16 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=personal_entries&user=1 |
| 23:28.20 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh*... |
| 23:28.25 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta get mod_rewrite going. |
| 23:28.34 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, iz easy. |
| 23:28.38 | PoeticIntensity | of course... |
| 23:28.39 | beandog | you dont even need that |
| 23:28.43 | beandog | just an .htaccess file |
| 23:28.45 | PoeticIntensity | everything's easy for you, Mr. beandog |
| 23:29.08 | mindjuju | hey beandog, your install script had issues |
| 23:29.13 | beandog | mindjuju, well poop. |
| 23:29.13 | mindjuju | not sure where though, i'm going through it |
| 23:29.17 | PoeticIntensity | I've never done it before, and the site is fairly complex, so... it'll be a bit more difficult.... for someone whose never done it before. |
| 23:30.00 | PoeticIntensity | whose = who's |
| 23:30.47 | Shaun | I'm back!!! |
| 23:30.51 | beandog | http://techdirt.com/articles/20071003/020321.shtml |
| 23:30.54 | beandog | hee hee, that is awesome |
| 23:30.59 | Shaun | sorry there dudes.. I've got some serious catching up to do.. 1 sec.. |
| 23:31.05 | beandog | regexp ftw |
| 23:31.06 | PoeticIntensity | s'all good.. |
| 23:31.08 | PoeticIntensity | we all work too. |
| 23:31.11 | PoeticIntensity | sometimes. |
| 23:32.33 | dataw0lf | regexp in Django routes ftw |
| 23:32.36 | Shaun | thanks fo rthe compliment datawolf |
| 23:32.52 | Shaun | yep.. need a handle.. when we play enemy territory it's always Ryu |
| 23:32.59 | Shaun | hadooooooooooooooooooooo-KEN!!! |
| 23:33.10 | PoeticIntensity | uh oh..... mindjuju might have found his match... |
| 23:33.26 | Shaun | answer to life, universe and everything... A NICE HOT JACUZZI |
| 23:33.33 | dataw0lf | with chicas |
| 23:33.37 | dataw0lf | don't forget the chicas, Shaun |
| 23:33.37 | PoeticIntensity | ooohh...... that's a close 2nd. |
| 23:34.06 | PoeticIntensity | you need to change your handle, Shaun ... It should definitely be Ryu. |
| 23:34.15 | dataw0lf | probably taken. |
| 23:34.18 | mindjuju | yeah, prolly |
| 23:34.27 | beandog | yahp. |
| 23:34.31 | beandog | 2 years ago |
| 23:34.31 | PoeticIntensity | :-T |
| 23:34.35 | PoeticIntensity | dern it. |
| 23:34.38 | Shaun | and of course chicas.. that's a GIVEN |
| 23:34.46 | beandog | Ryu_ is gtg |
| 23:34.52 | PoeticIntensity | Shaun is all about the chicas... |
| 23:35.25 | Shaun | ohhhhhhhhhhh ya... so I'm shaky with the programming huh? We'll see who gets shaky the next time we load up there bro |
| 23:35.39 | Shaun | (just getting caught up on all the comments here) |
| 23:36.18 | Shaun | but thanks for the plug about being a nice guy though PoeticIntensity :) |
| 23:36.26 | dataw0lf | Shaun sounds like my type of guy |
| 23:36.54 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty much obsessed with women |
| 23:36.57 | dataw0lf | you'll discover this. |
| 23:37.00 | Shaun | thanks dataw0lf |
| 23:37.19 | Shaun | had NO clue LOL |
| 23:37.38 | Shaun | do I have to sign out to change my handle? |
| 23:37.43 | Shaun | probably huh |
| 23:37.46 | PoeticIntensity | dunno... |
| 23:37.50 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju would know. |
| 23:37.55 | dataw0lf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.04 | PoeticIntensity | there ya go. |
| 23:38.11 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, to the rescue once again. |
| 23:38.24 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf is our resident security expert, BTW.... |
| 23:38.29 | Shaun | so I literally type that or type /nick and my new handle |
| 23:38.31 | hadouken | ;-) |
| 23:38.41 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog and beandog are PGSQL gurus.... |
| 23:38.47 | hadouken | I typed /nick hadouken |
| 23:38.51 | Ryu | crud |
| 23:38.52 | hadouken | there ya go |
| 23:38.52 | PoeticIntensity | YES! |
| 23:38.54 | beandog | no, Im definately not a guru. |
| 23:39.24 | PoeticIntensity | orsonj, knows his crud about CSS... |
| 23:39.34 | PoeticIntensity | pretty much everyone here knows PHP... |
| 23:39.47 | PoeticIntensity | it's a great group to be a part of..... anyway.. |
| 23:39.59 | Kamehameha | I'll go with Kamahamaha for a minute... better than "shaun" |
| 23:40.03 | PoeticIntensity | and jbot is the room's mistress.... |
| 23:40.22 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart Kamehameha |
| 23:40.23 | jbot | squishes Kamehameha like a bug |
| 23:40.26 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 23:40.32 | Kamehameha | DOH! |
| 23:40.35 | PoeticIntensity | jbot, are you angry? |
| 23:40.44 | PoeticIntensity | hrm... :-T |
| 23:40.49 | PoeticIntensity | jbot, dance. |
| 23:40.50 | jbot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 23:40.53 | dataw0lf | jbot, Kamehameha is Shaun |
| 23:40.54 | jbot | ...but kamehameha is already something else... |
| 23:41.05 | dataw0lf | ~kamehameha |
| 23:41.05 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, kamehameha wave is an "energy attack" in the Animes Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT. |
| 23:41.07 | PoeticIntensity | d'oh |
| 23:41.15 | Kamehameha | DING DING DING |
| 23:41.17 | dataw0lf | jbot, kamehameha is also Shaun |
| 23:41.18 | jbot | okay, dataw0lf |
| 23:41.23 | dataw0lf | ~kamehameha |
| 23:41.46 | Kamehameha | I'm going to open a can of "kamehameha" on anyone who disses on my handle :) |
| 23:41.52 | dataw0lf | ~kamehameha |
| 23:42.00 | Kamehameha | shyoryuken!!! |
| 23:42.01 | PoeticIntensity | you gettin' warnings, dataw0lf ? |
| 23:42.11 | dataw0lf | Kamehameha: since you're new, I won't. However, be warned: I despise Japanese culture. |
| 23:42.13 | PoeticIntensity | or is jbot gettin' testy? |
| 23:42.15 | dataw0lf | ~kamehameha |
| 23:42.22 | dataw0lf | ~dataw0lf |
| 23:42.23 | jbot | rumour has it, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine |
| 23:42.32 | Kamehameha | sou desu ka? zannen da neeee!!! |
| 23:42.41 | dataw0lf | ~kamehameha |
| 23:42.49 | dataw0lf | hmph |
| 23:43.02 | Kamehameha | Matsusen-pyuu-kaku!!!! |
| 23:43.18 | dataw0lf | I hate the damned Japanese. |
| 23:43.33 | Kamehameha | (hope there aren't any japanese here in the chat then) |
| 23:43.40 | dataw0lf | I ran them all out. |
| 23:43.50 | dataw0lf | with a nuclear bomb |
| 23:43.51 | beandog | http://www.gentooexperimental.org/nt/gentoo-nt-screenshots.html |
| 23:43.53 | beandog | that is hilarious |
| 23:44.01 | dataw0lf | why, because it's gentoo>? |
| 23:44.21 | dataw0lf | I'm still shocked Gentoo is still (slowly) struggling along |
| 23:44.30 | Kamehameha | did you have a bad experience in japan as a toddler or something? |
| 23:44.56 | dataw0lf | No, I just despise their culture. I took Japanese for three years, and got into an argument with my teacher about World War 2 |
| 23:45.26 | dataw0lf | They're sadistic, nationalistic, mysognistic idiots, who're buying up U.S. soil like it's candy |
| 23:45.36 | PoeticIntensity | gentoo *will* rule the world one day.... |
| 23:45.45 | dataw0lf | Yea, sure. |
| 23:45.46 | PoeticIntensity | oh yes.... yes it will. |
| 23:45.56 | dataw0lf | And then the world will break because of badly managed packages... |
| 23:46.00 | Kamehameha | don't let one conversation or argument turn you against an ENTIRE culture... |
| 23:46.04 | dataw0lf | maybe somebody did an emerge global-warming or something |
| 23:46.21 | beandog | Kamehameha, btw, its useless to argue with dataw0lf |
| 23:46.22 | beandog | just so you know. |
| 23:46.22 | dataw0lf | Kamehameha: It wasn't just that. I've studied the culture intensely. And their class based society isn't attractive to me at all. |
| 23:46.23 | beandog | :) |
| 23:46.51 | Kamehameha | (thanks for the tip beandog) |
| 23:46.55 | dataw0lf | Not to mention their treatment of the Chinese during WW2 was worse than the Nazis, and they still have the balls to complain about our nuclear attacks |
| 23:47.00 | dataw0lf | at least the Germans just hang their heads morosely |
| 23:47.03 | PoeticIntensity | although, be as it may, dataw0lf usually knows what he's talking about. |
| 23:47.08 | beandog | Thats true, too. |
| 23:47.16 | beandog | But he is unchanging in his opinion. |
| 23:47.17 | beandog | :) |
| 23:47.22 | beandog | and brutal in his explanations. |
| 23:47.24 | dataw0lf | I've changed my opinion. |
| 23:47.25 | dataw0lf | Once. |
| 23:47.32 | beandog | In other words, put your big girl panties on before going up against dataw0lf |
| 23:47.36 | dataw0lf | I decided I liked Heath candy bars better than Snickers, quietly, several years ago. |
| 23:47.41 | beandog | lmao |
| 23:47.56 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... I love the ~datawolf thing..... |
| 23:48.03 | Kamehameha | yes a lot of Japanese are kinda stuck in a mold because it's been that way for generations but they have some really cool things about their culture as well.. |
| 23:48.06 | PoeticIntensity | or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine |
| 23:48.10 | beandog | ~dataw0lf |
| 23:48.11 | jbot | somebody said dataw0lf was sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, the proud owner of a Hello Kitty themed eMachine |
| 23:48.19 | Kamehameha | I spent a semester in japan in college.. it was very cool |
| 23:48.23 | beandog | ~PoeticIntensity |
| 23:48.24 | jbot | hmm... poeticintensity is a swirling vat of orange juice, or new to the UPHPU channel, but pretty funny, or a beef-wheet, or drives a yellow mustang, or queen of the chick flick, or bored out of his freakin' mind. |
| 23:48.33 | beandog | lol |
| 23:48.35 | dataw0lf | ehl oh ehl |
| 23:48.44 | dataw0lf | jbot: PoeticIntensity is not new to the UPHPU channel |
| 23:48.45 | jbot | ...but poeticintensity is already something else... |
| 23:48.46 | beandog | thats great |
| 23:49.03 | dataw0lf | that was set, what, a year ago? |
| 23:49.07 | beandog | no |
| 23:49.09 | PoeticIntensity | how do you reverse something.... (yeah) ... ? |
| 23:49.10 | beandog | he's still relatively new |
| 23:49.22 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, you need a lobotomy. |
| 23:49.23 | dataw0lf | well comparatively, I guess. |
| 23:49.30 | dataw0lf | PI has been around for almost a year |
| 23:49.31 | mindjuju | jbot, forget poeticintensity |
| 23:49.41 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 23:49.42 | jbot | well, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a ibot super user, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or 100% lame |
| 23:49.55 | PoeticIntensity | niiice.... |
| 23:49.57 | beandog | jbot, mindjuju is also an 80s movie |
| 23:49.57 | jbot | okay, beandog |
| 23:50.00 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 23:50.01 | jbot | from memory, mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a ibot super user, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or 100% lame, or an 80s movie |
| 23:50.11 | PoeticIntensity | ~beandog |
| 23:50.11 | jbot | i heard beandog is the gentoo guru |
| 23:50.14 | dataw0lf | jbot: mindjuju is also has ridiculously bad musical taste |
| 23:50.15 | jbot | dataw0lf: okay |
| 23:50.23 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:50.27 | PoeticIntensity | ~mindjuju |
| 23:50.28 | jbot | i guess mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a ibot super teacher, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or 100% lame, or an 80s movie, or has ridiculously bad musical taste |
| 23:50.28 | beandog | heh |
| 23:50.33 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: you hear I'm going to see Rage Against the Machine at the end of the month in Vegas? |
| 23:50.36 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:50.38 | dataw0lf | muha |
| 23:50.51 | beandog | I wanna go to Vegas. |
| 23:50.54 | PoeticIntensity | eh'? Might be a stupid question, but I thought they dissolved a long time ago. |
| 23:50.58 | dataw0lf | They did. |
| 23:51.00 | beandog | they have a whole building dedicated just to M&Ms!!! |
| 23:51.01 | PoeticIntensity | and now? |
| 23:51.05 | dataw0lf | But they got back together at Coachella this year |
| 23:51.09 | dataw0lf | and are doing a couple reunion concerts |
| 23:51.11 | PoeticIntensity | wow........ |
| 23:51.14 | PoeticIntensity | same music? |
| 23:51.15 | dataw0lf | one of which is at Vegoose in Vegas |
| 23:51.15 | PoeticIntensity | or new? |
| 23:51.18 | dataw0lf | same music |
| 23:51.23 | PoeticIntensity | woooow.... that'd be a riot. |
| 23:51.26 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 23:51.31 | dataw0lf | I'm planning on seriously injuring myself and others |
| 23:51.35 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 23:51.37 | *** join/#uphpu mikesmullin (i=user@63.76.119.176) |
| 23:51.38 | dataw0lf | I should probably bring my own medical team |
| 23:51.51 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow...... |
| 23:52.10 | Kamehameha | so, do you guys ever have like gigantic LAN parties? |
| 23:52.10 | PoeticIntensity | you must be the "life of the party"... |
| 23:52.18 | PoeticIntensity | sadly, no. |
| 23:52.20 | dataw0lf | I AM the party, my friend. |
| 23:52.22 | PoeticIntensity | but we should DANGIT. |
| 23:52.28 | Kamehameha | heh heh... |
| 23:52.30 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf, I don't doubt it. |
| 23:52.37 | dataw0lf | Kamehameha: well, in December, I plan on owning mindjuju at Halo |
| 23:52.39 | Kamehameha | totally... get everyone on ET and have a blood fest... |
| 23:52.41 | dataw0lf | when I visit. |
| 23:52.53 | Kamehameha | right on... |
| 23:53.00 | beandog | I thought only 13 year olds play Halo |
| 23:53.01 | PoeticIntensity | Kamehameha and I (and occasionally beandog) get together and play some Enemy Territory. |
| 23:53.09 | dataw0lf | I haven't played ET in years. |
| 23:53.10 | Kamehameha | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ya! |
| 23:53.17 | PoeticIntensity | it never gets old.... |
| 23:53.24 | dataw0lf | yea, but I don't game much nowadays. |
| 23:53.34 | Kamehameha | is it taboo to say real names in here? |
| 23:53.46 | dataw0lf | paintball and rock climbing take up most of my free time during the spring / summer |
| 23:53.51 | beandog | Kamehameha, we jus dont know what they are |
| 23:53.57 | dataw0lf | and snowboarding and surfing during the fall / winter |
| 23:54.10 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty sure everyone knows my real name here |
| 23:54.16 | beandog | J. Dog. |
| 23:54.24 | Kamehameha | (is that you Scott?) |
| 23:54.37 | beandog | who, me? |
| 23:54.41 | Kamehameha | yup |
| 23:54.43 | beandog | nope |
| 23:54.44 | dataw0lf | beandog is Steve |
| 23:54.48 | Kamehameha | ahhhhhh |
| 23:55.10 | Kamehameha | gotcha... |
| 23:55.17 | beandog | okay, its time to fire up some Christmas music |
| 23:55.36 | Kamehameha | PoeticIntensity: do you like my new nick name or should I come up wtih something else? :) |
| 23:55.41 | PoeticIntensity | love it, bud. |
| 23:55.57 | dataw0lf | we got da fire shot madness... |
| 23:56.11 | Kamehameha | ok.. I may stick with it... |
| 23:56.19 | PoeticIntensity | whatever suits ya. |
| 23:56.26 | Kamehameha | prefer Ryu |
| 23:56.44 | Ryu | Hello |
| 23:56.47 | Ryu | I'm Ryu. |
| 23:56.50 | Kamehameha | hey, I tried that! |
| 23:56.54 | Ryu | hehe..... |
| 23:56.56 | Kamehameha | it wouldn't let me |
| 23:57.05 | Ryu | its because you don't have superpowers. |
| 23:57.11 | Ryu | hold on... |
| 23:57.22 | PoeticIntensity | now try it. |
| 23:57.35 | PoeticIntensity | bingo! |
| 23:57.42 | Ryu | hi |
| 23:57.43 | dataw0lf | almost beer thirty |
| 23:57.49 | Ryu | hey, it said it was owned by someone else.. |
| 23:57.56 | PoeticIntensity | it is... |
| 23:57.57 | dataw0lf | yea, it's registered with NickServ |
| 23:58.04 | PoeticIntensity | but you can use it temporarily. |
| 23:58.11 | Ryu | so as long as that person's not logged in I can use it right? |
| 23:58.17 | PoeticIntensity | something like that. |
| 23:58.27 | dataw0lf | man my girlfriend is 5 years older than me, it's awesome. |
| 23:58.37 | PoeticIntensity | was that pic of her? |
| 23:58.43 | PoeticIntensity | (you linked it about an hour ago) |
| 23:58.59 | Ryu | well, you guys rock.. I'll log on again tomorrow.. |
| 23:59.06 | Ryu | PARTY ON!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:59.07 | PoeticIntensity | ta-ta Ryu .... take care. |
| 23:59.15 | Ryu | you too bro |
| 23:59.18 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) chao |
| 23:59.28 | beandog | I missed the picture? |
| 23:59.34 | Ryu | Adios bato... |
| 23:59.37 | dataw0lf | http://a394.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/97/l_111dabfc7ce5904c7d4bdb4e7978b049.jpg |
| 23:59.40 | dataw0lf | yea, that's her |
| 23:59.43 | dataw0lf | that one? |
| 23:59.47 | PoeticIntensity | yup |
| 23:59.52 | beandog | whose that guy shes with? |
