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| 01:06.09 | influx^^ | lo? |
| 01:54.56 | mindjuju | sup influx^^ |
| 02:00.17 | influx^^ | nm |
| 02:00.31 | influx^^ | was going to ask for some regex advice, but I stumbled into a suitable solution. |
| 02:02.22 | mindjuju | love regex |
| 02:02.29 | mindjuju | haven't done it in a while, but it is v good |
| 02:21.04 | orsonj | for those of us who sew, or are related to people who do: http://www.free-penguin.org/ |
| 02:21.13 | orsonj | Sew your own Tux! |
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| 14:40.05 | timinator | morning all |
| 14:40.10 | timinator | ~morning all |
| 14:40.11 | jbot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping all in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 14:40.26 | thebigdog | morning |
| 14:42.22 | timinator | bad news thebigdog, I won't be able to make it to the BBQ in Orem |
| 14:42.37 | thebigdog | oh man...whatz up with that |
| 14:46.49 | thebigdog | we figured on your jsmith |
| 14:50.24 | timinator | I've just cashed my Saturdays in for $$ on some side projects |
| 14:51.10 | timinator | I don't want that work to go into the holidays |
| 14:51.13 | timinator | :(\ |
| 14:51.15 | timinator | :( |
| 14:52.05 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 14:52.21 | timinator | I agree |
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| 15:03.26 | Utah_Dave | morning, everyone |
| 15:03.37 | mindjuju | sup utah_dave |
| 15:03.47 | Utah_Dave | not much, just dragging my behind into work |
| 15:03.50 | mindjuju | how goes it and where are ya this week |
| 15:04.00 | Utah_Dave | I'm here in Utah. |
| 15:04.13 | mindjuju | ah, cool |
| 15:04.47 | Utah_Dave | I'm doing pretty good. Except that I was up in the middle of the night making toast for my wife!! |
| 15:05.03 | mindjuju | toast! |
| 15:05.23 | Utah_Dave | yes, at 11:30 |
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| 15:07.46 | thebigdog | that is still earyly |
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| 15:08.23 | Utah_Dave | except that I had been in bed since 9:30 and was supposed to get up at 5:30 |
| 15:08.42 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 15:10.15 | thebigdog | man php developers are crazy |
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| 15:15.29 | thebigdog | sometimes i wonder why php core devs are implementing obj c features |
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| 15:28.00 | brasto | howdy, y'all |
| 15:28.25 | brasto | This reminds me of the Nortel account at Convergys: |
| 15:28.26 | brasto | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071001 |
| 15:28.47 | brasto | and this is a good follow up: |
| 15:28.48 | brasto | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071002 |
| 15:30.45 | mindjuju | i think mathematical equations make the best passwords |
| 15:31.22 | mindjuju | like area of rhombus: |
| 15:31.33 | mindjuju | 1/2d1D2 |
| 15:31.44 | mindjuju | http://www.mathwords.com/a/area_rhombus.htm |
| 15:31.50 | mindjuju | just picked that for a quick example |
| 15:31.57 | mgeary | πr2 is too short, though |
| 15:32.13 | mindjuju | but 3.1415r2 isn't |
| 15:32.23 | mindjuju | and it helps you remember pi to the 4th place |
| 15:32.39 | mgeary | well, if you're an underachiever i guess that's okay.... |
| 15:32.47 | mgeary | ;) |
| 15:32.54 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 15:33.14 | mindjuju | though, in retrospect, i'd probably spell out the r and keep 3.14 |
| 15:33.26 | mindjuju | 3.14radiuSr2 |
| 15:36.40 | fungus | http://www.puroga.com/webtools/apgonline/index.php |
| 15:36.48 | mgeary | yeah, i use apg |
| 15:36.52 | mgeary | but not online |
| 15:37.07 | fungus | me, too. Just found an online version now. |
| 15:41.01 | brasto | mindjuju, good idea |
| 15:42.04 | thebigdog | i like this one https://www.winguides.com/security/password.php |
| 15:42.21 | thebigdog | if i dont have access to linux box |
| 15:43.05 | thebigdog | makepasswd is nice tool too |
| 15:44.09 | fungus | IMHO, apg is the best for passwords. and http://grc.com/pass for long, rarely entered shared keys. |
| 15:46.51 | thebigdog | i like the animated gifs |
| 15:46.56 | thebigdog | http://www.grc.com/image/twinkle.gif |
| 15:47.09 | thebigdog | those are super sexy |
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| 15:51.16 | brasto | rhimes? |
| 15:51.24 | mgeary | Rhymes |
| 15:51.25 | brasto | rhymes... |
| 15:51.27 | brasto | lol |
| 15:51.36 | mgeary | however, see the "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" |
| 15:51.41 | brasto | jajwuthtfap0w! |
| 15:51.43 | mgeary | for justification |
| 15:52.13 | brasto | "Jack and Jill Went Up the Hill to Fetch a Pail 0f Water! |
| 15:52.23 | SunSparc | Are we talking about password creation? |
| 15:52.29 | brasto | put a 0 for an O and end with an exclamation |
| 15:52.32 | brasto | yep |
| 15:53.00 | timinator | brasto.... have you read Jack & Jill? |
| 15:53.03 | timinator | the novel |
| 15:53.04 | brasto | SunSparc: did you see the links I posted above? |
| 15:53.09 | brasto | timinator: nope |
| 15:53.11 | timinator | by.... Patterson I think |
| 15:53.16 | timinator | mmmm...... good book |
| 15:53.41 | brasto | I did, however read the political correct bedtime stories version... |
| 15:53.45 | SunSparc | brasto: no |
| 15:54.41 | brasto | SunSparc: They make fun of overly-sensitive password security policies. |
| 15:55.16 | brasto | Has timinator read politically correct bedtime stories? |
| 15:55.21 | SunSparc | Send it |
| 15:56.13 | timinator | nope |
| 15:56.46 | timinator | and likes it |
| 15:56.48 | timinator | :) |
| 15:58.02 | SunSparc | Political Correctness is a social disease. |
| 16:01.55 | brasto | timinator: politically correct bedtime stories makes fun of political correctness |
| 16:02.02 | timinator | nice |
| 16:02.11 | timinator | BRB |
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| 16:02.55 | brasto | EG: Snow white and the seven dwarves: instead of thanking the servant who warns her and helps her escape, she reams him out for being a sexist pig and for assuming she couldn't take care of himself |
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| 16:04.11 | brasto | and she's nice to him compared to how she treats the seven dwarves |
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| 16:17.36 | mgeary | :P |
| 16:17.43 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 16:17.59 | PoeticIntensity | actually, I'm trying to fix the fonts in my windows manager... |
| 16:18.23 | PoeticIntensity | I've been using gnome for years, and they've finally broke the camel's back. |
| 16:18.35 | fungus | How's that? |
| 16:18.52 | PoeticIntensity | as funny as it may seem, the gnome-screensaver did it. |
| 16:19.03 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: That is what you get for not using KDE |
| 16:19.33 | PoeticIntensity | they seem to be taking less and less into account that there exists LOTS of programs which already excel in their respective duty... |
| 16:19.40 | PoeticIntensity | yet gnome seems to want to make everything "theirs". |
| 16:19.54 | influx^^ | gnomepple |
| 16:19.58 | PoeticIntensity | and.... it's getting bloated.... (if you want to talk about bloat, let's talk about KDE) |
| 16:20.01 | influx^^ | (kidding) |
| 16:20.16 | orsonj | mmmmm... /me waits in anticipation for the blog entry |
| 16:20.27 | PoeticIntensity | heh... it's coming. |
| 16:20.40 | PoeticIntensity | just making sure it's what I really wanna do. |
| 16:20.56 | PoeticIntensity | I've got gnome installed on 6 computers I use semi-regularly. |
| 16:21.01 | PoeticIntensity | I'll have to change em' all. |
| 16:21.29 | orsonj | I tried it for a bit, but I still like all the bloat ;) |
| 16:21.48 | PoeticIntensity | to each his / her own.... |
| 16:22.00 | PoeticIntensity | for me, gnome just isn't doing what I need it to do anymore. |
| 16:22.17 | PoeticIntensity | it becoming more obtrusive as time goes by. |
| 16:22.19 | thebigdog | i use and abuse xfce and ice |
| 16:22.26 | PoeticIntensity | oh? |
| 16:22.27 | SunSparc | You can always just use the command line. |
| 16:22.31 | thebigdog | ice is nice |
| 16:22.51 | PoeticIntensity | would you prefer ice or xfce? |
| 16:22.55 | PoeticIntensity | or both? |
| 16:22.59 | mgeary | i'd like to take credit for the flash 3d work, but we outsourced that :) |
| 16:23.00 | orsonj | I actually didn't mind xfce itself, but there are a couple things about the window manager it uses I didn't like |
| 16:23.06 | thebigdog | ice is really good if you like custom stuff |
| 16:23.16 | thebigdog | xfce is good for lightweight outofthebox |
| 16:23.35 | thebigdog | ice is great for keyboard shortcuts too |
| 16:23.42 | PoeticIntensity | I can always count on a non-emotional, non-"fanboy" response out of you, thebigdog . |
| 16:23.42 | thebigdog | and it is very light |
| 16:23.51 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:23.58 | thebigdog | dataw0lf turned me onto xfce |
| 16:24.11 | mindjuju | mgeary, that flash on that page is v Sexy! |
| 16:24.13 | thebigdog | i mainly use xfce now |
| 16:24.17 | SunSparc | mgeary: the carousel is not working for me |
| 16:24.22 | orsonj | so, is ice a more customizable xfce? |
| 16:24.25 | mgeary | SunSparc: do you have Flash 9? |
| 16:24.26 | mindjuju | works in FF 2.x |
| 16:24.27 | PoeticIntensity | hmm.... so..... thebigdog and dataw0lf and beandog use xfce.... |
| 16:24.39 | PoeticIntensity | all people who generally know what they're doing.... |
| 16:24.39 | thebigdog | orsonj, no ice is another windows manager |
| 16:25.06 | mgeary | SunSparc: hmmm... |
| 16:25.16 | mgeary | SunSparc: what does it do? |
| 16:25.18 | thebigdog | ice i like to use when i dont want a real heavy install |
| 16:25.30 | SunSparc | mgeary: Ah, I figured it out |
| 16:25.44 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:25.45 | SunSparc | I was clicking the arrows |
| 16:25.46 | mgeary | or click |
| 16:25.48 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:25.52 | SunSparc | might want to rethink that |
| 16:25.59 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, site looks great. |
| 16:26.02 | SunSparc | usability issue |
| 16:26.16 | mgeary | SunSparc: perhaps so |
| 16:26.40 | SunSparc | Pretty cool effect. |
| 16:26.45 | SunSparc | Good job, mgeary |
| 16:27.01 | mgeary | thanks |
| 16:27.07 | PoeticIntensity | did you create this, mgeary ? |
| 16:27.45 | mgeary | we outsourced the carousel 3D work. i did the rest (integration, data management, interactivity, etc.) |
| 16:27.50 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 16:28.04 | SunSparc | It would also be could if you could click and spin the carousel by clicking the images. |
| 16:28.14 | PoeticIntensity | I like that you can click on each individual square, but that it auto-opens when clicked is not what I expected. |
| 16:28.30 | PoeticIntensity | SunSparc, that's what I was doing.... clicking the images. |
| 16:29.15 | PoeticIntensity | if the image isn't the one in focus, I'd just make it turn the carousel and change the focus.... not open the newly-focused image automatically. |
| 16:29.28 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: inevitable I think. Too forward thinking. |
| 16:29.31 | mgeary | yeah, that's what i argued as well |
| 16:29.39 | PoeticIntensity | (when a non-focused image is clicked, that is) |
| 16:29.54 | mgeary | yep. i agree |
| 16:30.08 | mgeary | might get that in there, since you agree with me :) |
| 16:30.10 | PoeticIntensity | well.... you da boss, mgeary ! |
| 16:30.27 | mgeary | i tell ya, there were some real AS2->AS3 growing pains involved |
| 16:30.32 | PoeticIntensity | go tell em' where to go... :) |
| 16:30.58 | PoeticIntensity | man... I haven't even *seen* actionscript in...... so long... like... a decade... |
| 16:31.00 | mgeary | AS3 is closer to Java than anything else i've encountered; which is not a compliment |
| 16:31.03 | PoeticIntensity | I wouldn't even know what to do with it anymore. |
| 16:31.27 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: You could Flex with it. |
| 16:31.39 | PoeticIntensity | uhh.... I suppose... |
| 16:31.43 | PoeticIntensity | whatever that means.. :)\ |
| 16:32.07 | _psychic_ | mgeary: don't you mean JavaScript? |
| 16:32.13 | _psychic_ | I really like AS3 and JS |
| 16:32.18 | mgeary | no |
| 16:32.19 | mgeary | i mean Java |
| 16:32.47 | _psychic_ | You can't pass a function as a parameter in Java |
| 16:32.49 | SunSparc | jbot, Flex is Adobe® Flex™ is a cross-platform development framework for creating rich Internet applications (http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/) |
| 16:32.49 | jbot | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, SunSparc |
| 16:32.55 | _psychic_ | to me AS3 is very ECMA-like. |
| 16:33.03 | mgeary | well, yeah, it is |
| 16:33.06 | SunSparc | jbot, you are illegal! |
| 16:33.07 | jbot | SunSparc: what are you talking about? |
| 16:33.20 | SunSparc | jbot, I am talking about your mom! |
| 16:33.21 | jbot | it is my pleasure to meet you, talking about your mom! |
| 16:33.27 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:34.44 | _psychic_ | what's with all the rails fans on the uphpu mailing list? |
| 16:35.47 | SunSparc | _psychic_: I think they are lonely on their Rails mailing list and need to come to visit a real community. |
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| 16:36.01 | mgeary | it's part of a microsoft-funded effort to fragment the open-source community and weaken them |
| 16:36.13 | PoeticIntensity | ugh.... I thought the fonts were fixed... :-\ |
| 16:38.36 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: I know what you mean. UPHPU isn't fighting against Rails. We're just a group of people who like PHP |
| 16:38.47 | SunSparc | mgeary: Ah, very clever, pit open-source communities against each other so that they eliminate themselves thus leaving close-source companies like Micro$losh to win by default. |
| 16:38.53 | mgeary | exactly |
| 16:38.59 | _psychic_ | Utah_Dave: I just thought I subscribed to a PHP mailing list |
| 16:39.10 | Utah_Dave | some of us do use Rails, and if we want Rails help, we'll go to a Rails community |
| 16:39.24 | Utah_Dave | you'd expect a PHP users' group to focus on PHP |
| 16:39.27 | _psychic_ | ...rather than the UPHPU mailing list? |
| 16:39.32 | _psychic_ | exactl |
| 16:39.33 | _psychic_ | y |
| 16:39.36 | SunSparc | But as _psychic_ so aptly pointed out, Rails is a framework, PHP is not. |
| 16:39.44 | _psychic_ | it's not that |
| 16:39.55 | _psychic_ | its the toleration of rails fan mail on the uphpu mailing list |
| 16:41.44 | _psychic_ | What do you think would happen if I sent a pro-CakePHP advert to the local Rails/Ruby user's group list? |
| 16:42.20 | _psychic_ | The fact that they follow uphpu seems to infer that they still need PHP to get the job done. :/ |
| 16:42.45 | SunSparc | Or at least to boost their ego |
| 16:43.54 | SunSparc | Or perhaps they are just os open-minded that they allow themselves to learn from all sources of knowledge to help them become better Ruby programmers and Rails users. |
| 16:45.03 | _psychic_ | ugh |
| 16:45.09 | _psychic_ | especially insulting advertisements |
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| 16:48.34 | mgeary | hey, what's a good command-line way to recursively rename a directory of files. For example, i need to change ".php.html" to just ".html" (post-processing a wget extraction) |
| 16:49.12 | SunSparc | Use find with a pipe |
| 16:49.15 | mikesmullin | is there an iCal syndication of UPHPU meetings? |
| 16:49.51 | mgeary | SunSparc: finding the files is the easy part. don't leave me hanging.... |
| 16:53.42 | SunSparc | mgeary: something like: find . -name *.php.html | mv $match1 $match1.html |
| 16:53.50 | SunSparc | mgeary: except I am sure that won't work |
| 16:53.56 | mgeary | heh, yeah |
| 16:54.01 | SunSparc | mgeary: I would need to look up some syntax |
| 16:54.10 | mgeary | no worries, i'll dig around |
| 16:54.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:55.12 | SunSparc | I did see a reference to a GUI linux tool called: krename |
| 16:55.57 | mgeary | http://lab.artlung.com/unix-batch-file-rename/ |
| 16:56.06 | mgeary | that'll work |
| 16:56.28 | mgeary | doh |
| 16:56.31 | SunSparc | Nice |
| 17:10.27 | mikesmullin | do we have any local small business owners in the group? |
| 17:13.16 | SunSparc | There are several here actually |
| 17:15.02 | mikesmullin | great! that is what i was hoping. i'll have to come out to more of the meetings then. |
| 17:15.17 | mikesmullin | SunSparc: what is the name of your company? link? |
| 17:15.55 | SunSparc | Is that what has been keeping you away? |
| 17:16.39 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:16.56 | mikesmullin | better to ask, is that what would entice you to come out? :) |
| 17:17.27 | SunSparc | The networking opportunity? Yes. |
| 17:17.48 | mikesmullin | yeah i'd be going for the networking |
| 17:19.13 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 17:19.13 | SunSparc | mikesmullin: There are some pretty well connected people in this group. If for nothing else, the group is good for networking. |
| 17:20.02 | SunSparc | Check out the group on LinkedIn http://uphpu.org/2007/09/25/uphpu-linkedin-group/ |
| 17:20.14 | mikesmullin | i just found that today and applied for invitation |
| 17:20.44 | _psychic_ | I'd like to present on Ruby on Rails. :P |
| 17:20.52 | SunSparc | ROFL!!! |
| 17:20.54 | _psychic_ | and Django. |
| 17:20.59 | SunSparc | I will come to that meeting |
| 17:21.09 | _psychic_ | and Roller Hockey. |
| 17:21.13 | _psychic_ | Twice. |
| 17:40.03 | brasto | mikesmullin - did someone send you the UPHPU ical link? |
| 17:40.15 | mikesmullin | brasto: i found it, but thanks for following up :) |
| 17:40.58 | mikesmullin | brasto: you are a small business owner? |
| 17:41.06 | brasto | yw mikesmullin |
| 17:41.35 | mikesmullin | mindjuju: one thing that might make meetings more enticing is presentations on the subject of profiting as a service contractor |
| 17:41.41 | mikesmullin | of course, it would depend on the demographic of your members |
| 17:42.06 | mikesmullin | i don't know how many are employees, sole-proprietors, small business owners, medium/large business owners, or employers |
| 17:42.10 | mindjuju | it's funny you mention that, cause that's one we are seriously looking at |
| 17:42.25 | mikesmullin | i |
| 17:42.34 | mikesmullin | cool. i'd be interested in that sort of thing |
| 17:42.38 | mindjuju | a meet where we talk about consulting, form exchange (like contracts that a consultant could use) |
| 17:43.06 | mindjuju | i *might* be able to con a lawyer into making an appearance to answer general form questions, etc |
| 17:44.03 | mindjuju | brb |
| 17:44.06 | mikesmullin | well i'll tell you why i say that: i am a small business owner with an LLC (S-Corp) and i am the only employee. as business booms, i need two things: to meet people who have been where i am and can offer advice and share experience (e.g. mentors) and people who can help me either as vendors (probably not partners--that never works out for very long) or employees. i have great clients but i cant service all their contracts by myself at the rate i am growing |
| 17:45.02 | mikesmullin | there are probably entreprenuerial groups too but if the small business type comprise a large portion of your demographic you would probably do well to include some of that business management and networking sort of stuff |
| 17:45.54 | mikesmullin | brasto: what is your company name? |
| 17:46.23 | mikesmullin | i'll probably build a rolodex of everyone's name, company name, services they provide, and contact information before long. |
| 17:46.49 | mikesmullin | mindjuju: maybe that's a good idea for the site--a rolodex/business directory [for members only?] |
| 17:47.57 | mikesmullin | it'd help employers locate contractors of course, but it could also help contractors locate other contractors for business-to-business deals like SunSparc does hosting I might use him for that one time if he can get me a good deal. There's no reason to pay some company in Germany to do it (1and1 aka. Schlund and Partners). We should be keeping it in the family and pumping local/state commerce :) |
| 17:49.23 | SunSparc | :) Even as friendly as our foreign brothers and sisters are. |
| 17:51.55 | mikesmullin | well and you've probably already thought about all of this but if you're helping more people are make more money with PHP that should mean more members are going to show up at the meetings to learn how. |
| 17:52.35 | mikesmullin | once you understand basic functional and OO programming concepts, the syntax of the language is easy. i mean with a reference guide and some experience under your belt that is something you can pick up in a few days to a week depending on the language and how different its syntax is from other languages you know. |
| 17:52.37 | SunSparc | mikesmullin: You are thinking like a millionaire. |
| 17:53.04 | mikesmullin | to me, that means members will show up, suck everything they can out of someone's brain for a few days, pick up a book or attend a class, get a job, and then quit coming |
| 17:53.30 | SunSparc | Although, there is the social aspect of the meetings. |
| 17:53.55 | mikesmullin | yes that is there :) get to know friends :) rely on each other for information |
| 17:53.59 | SunSparc | But the social aspect does not always justify the time and effort involved. |
| 17:54.15 | mikesmullin | yeah thats when you start hearing 'its so far to drive' 'i am too busy' 'i had something else planned' |
| 17:54.24 | mikesmullin | but they lurk on the forums and maybe chat on IRC |
| 17:54.28 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 17:54.35 | SunSparc | Been there, do that. |
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| 17:55.57 | mikesmullin | maybe a longer-term strategy is to entice them to stay with a focus on profiting with php. that's my suggestion. it seems like the motivation for most people who hang around. |
| 17:56.02 | mikesmullin | hope that helps someone :) |
| 17:56.11 | mikesmullin | nice to meet you SunSparc |
| 17:57.34 | SunSparc | mikesmullin: Ditto |
| 17:58.21 | brasto | mikesmullin: I am going to open a business name soon. |
| 17:59.15 | brasto | anyone know where I can register a business name online (if possible)? |
| 17:59.38 | mikesmullin | yes |
| 17:59.57 | mikesmullin | go here first and read up |
| 17:59.57 | mikesmullin | http://business.utah.gov/business/ |
| 18:00.55 | mikesmullin | then check out One Stop Business Registration http://business.utah.gov/registration |
| 18:02.11 | mikesmullin | might want to consult with an attorney first, because you can pay for an LLC or whatever but it might not make a difference in court unless you know how to follow the rules. most will give you the first hour free. |
| 18:04.56 | mikesmullin | brasto: you may also want to look into getting a business license. in my city, they only cost $10 and it takes 10 minutes to fill out the application, but you do have to renew them annually. |
| 18:07.03 | orsonj | find . -name \*.php.html | rename "s/.php.html$/.html/" |
| 18:18.46 | brasto | mikesmullin: thank you. I do want to look into LLC. I may start out as a Sole Proprietor just to get started unless I can start as an LLC. |
| 18:19.48 | mikesmullin | brasto: you can get cheap LLCs online (maybe under $50) or you can pay a local attorney to prepare it for a couple hundred. you would get one if you want to seperate your business from your person in case of a lawsuit, mostly |
| 18:32.22 | mindjuju | sorry to hear that brasto. what were you using for video cap? |
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| 18:33.05 | brasto | an agp card - nvidia ti4200 - good card for that time mindjuju |
| 18:33.23 | brasto | but it was more an experimental business than anything, so it was no biggie. |
| 18:33.55 | brasto | in fact, I could only capture 15 minutes at a time before it would start to skip frames. |
| 18:34.12 | brasto | found that out when I tried to do some video capture for Utah_Dave |
| 18:34.29 | brasto | before that I had not tried to capture anything over 10 minutes... |
| 18:35.15 | mindjuju | ah |
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| 18:52.14 | timinator | thebigdog: ping |
| 18:53.57 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 18:53.58 | jbot | ACTION summons Tim to rough up thebigdog |
| 18:54.03 | mindjuju | nice |
| 18:54.13 | timinator | ty mindjuju |
| 18:54.32 | mindjuju | no problemo! don't mind roughing up thebigdog |
| 18:54.37 | mindjuju | ~LART thebigdog |
| 18:54.37 | jbot | explains, ever so gently, that if thebigdog doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 18:55.45 | timinator | mindjuju: darts or guns |
| 18:56.56 | mindjuju | darts or guns? no, no, much to soft... i use ~tunafarts and the offical, dataw0lf branded ~dhit to hit thebigdog |
| 18:57.07 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:57.22 | timinator | dataw0lf: mine'll be a Glock 17 C |
| 18:57.31 | mindjuju | where there once was a day, long ago in history, where thebigdog and dataw0lf, legendary kung fu masters fought in the IRC |
| 18:57.47 | mindjuju | i captured their attacks and turned them into ~dhit and ~bdhit |
| 18:57.50 | dataw0lf | 'twas a vicious fight |
| 18:58.01 | mindjuju | yeah, blood everywhere |
| 18:58.10 | timinator | then I plan on getting some subcompact Glock for concealed carry |
| 18:58.33 | mindjuju | ~dhit thebigdog |
| 18:58.34 | jbot | ACTION manages to land Gentoo Install Time on thebigdog, freezing him for days |
| 18:58.35 | timinator | but I'm not sure which, cause my hands are too big for them |
| 18:59.38 | mindjuju | why go handguns when you can go claymore mines? |
| 19:01.12 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:01.19 | timinator | dataw0lf: that Glock looks nice |
| 19:01.31 | dataw0lf | timinator: it's decent |
| 19:01.36 | dataw0lf | pretty powerful for a compact |
| 19:01.41 | timinator | ya |
| 19:01.54 | timinator | is yours the 10mm round or 45? |
| 19:02.43 | dataw0lf | 10mm, the .45 is the Glock 30 |
| 19:03.50 | dataw0lf | timinator: you might like the Glock 36, I hear that's popular with people with big hands. |
| 19:04.27 | timinator | that does look nice |
| 19:05.19 | timinator | :) ....mgeary, do you really want to start that? |
| 19:05.28 | mgeary | what? did i say something?? |
| 19:05.34 | mgeary | oh, my microphone was left on |
| 19:05.40 | timinator | :) didn't think so |
| 19:05.42 | mgeary | how embarrassing |
| 19:06.07 | timinator | hang on..... I've got a video for ya, but I'll need to upload it |
| 19:07.49 | timinator | http://files.timothyhumphrey.com/ted.wmv |
| 19:09.49 | dataw0lf | I just like shooting people. |
| 19:09.57 | timinator | :) |
| 19:12.19 | mgeary | timinator: that's an awful video |
| 19:12.56 | timinator | I disagree... I'm right with him |
| 19:13.06 | mgeary | ugh |
| 19:13.09 | influx^^ | eh... |
| 19:13.13 | timinator | oh, you mean video quality, not content |
| 19:13.20 | mgeary | no no, you got me the first time ;) |
| 19:13.25 | timinator | :) |
| 19:14.08 | mgeary | yeah, i'll shaddup |
| 19:14.35 | dataw0lf | maybe the father should be blaming himself and not the gun |
| 19:14.45 | influx^^ | Quick! Let's all state our political affiliation! |
| 19:14.47 | influx^^ | s* |
| 19:14.50 | influx^^ | affiliations* |
| 19:14.51 | timinator | fathers that are comfortable with guns don't have kids that are stupid about guns |
| 19:15.33 | influx^^ | South America, you say? |
| 19:15.44 | _psychic_ | it's kinda southern in America |
| 19:15.45 | jsmith | Kids are *much* more likely to die in the swimming pool out back than be killed with a gun in the home. |
| 19:15.52 | _psychic_ | more like Western, though |
| 19:15.59 | influx^^ | heh. |
| 19:16.36 | mgeary | jsmith: we can all find stats to support us: "American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)" |
| 19:16.39 | _psychic_ | I'm all for more guns in the hands of the public |
| 19:17.01 | SunSparc | Me too |
| 19:17.02 | _psychic_ | it's a basic constitutional right |
| 19:17.10 | _psychic_ | I've got to be able to protect myself from others |
| 19:17.13 | _psychic_ | .... and the gov't. |
| 19:17.23 | jsmith | mgeary: Do you actually realize what it takes to be able to buy a firearm in the UK? |
| 19:17.32 | dataw0lf | There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics |
| 19:17.34 | dataw0lf | - Mark Twain |
| 19:17.40 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 19:17.56 | _psychic_ | it'll make a huge difference |
| 19:17.58 | jsmith | mgeary: I'm not saying "Gee... I don't care that kids are dying"... I'm saying "If you're really worried about kids, go after the biggest risk first." |
| 19:17.59 | dataw0lf | sure it will |
| 19:18.01 | timinator | dataw0lf: I think I've tried the Glock 36, because we had a 6 round 45 clip.....and it was a bit small. My pinkie finger wrapped underneath the gun, and I was less accurate |
| 19:18.04 | _psychic_ | wanna know why they have swat teams? |
| 19:18.15 | _psychic_ | because I'll blow off the heads of any trespassers that are trying to take away my kids |
| 19:18.17 | dataw0lf | timinator: I doubt if you'll like any other compact then |
| 19:18.19 | _psychic_ | it makes a big difference |
| 19:18.28 | timinator | you're probably right |
| 19:18.36 | timinator | :( |
| 19:18.39 | dataw0lf | the right to bear arms makes a huge difference |
| 19:18.48 | _psychic_ | and it makes a difference if everyone has the right to arm themselves |
| 19:18.59 | _psychic_ | the government can't just go willy nilly and enforce whatever they want |
| 19:19.07 | mgeary | oh really? |
| 19:19.09 | _psychic_ | people have the right to defend themselves |
| 19:19.25 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 19:19.28 | dataw0lf | mgeary: without the 2nd amendment, it would've been that much worse, though. |
| 19:19.43 | mgeary | what would have? |
| 19:19.44 | _psychic_ | I don't see how disarming people helps for freedome |
| 19:19.46 | dataw0lf | (although I agree that our rights have been trampled upon in ways unparalleled in history in the last eight years under King Bush) |
| 19:20.02 | influx^^ | Prince Bush? |
| 19:20.13 | influx^^ | nm |
| 19:20.22 | dataw0lf | but that's why, if Bush decides not to give up his term at the end of 2008... |
| 19:20.28 | dataw0lf | I have a gun |
| 19:21.45 | _psychic_ | If anyone can't have guns, it should be the government. |
| 19:21.48 | influx^^ | I would like to own a gun and learn how to shoot. |
| 19:22.22 | timinator | influx^^: Impact Guns is great.... you can rent the Gun, rent a lane, buy the ammo and targets |
| 19:22.28 | influx^^ | what's the limit on magazine capacity nowadays? |
| 19:22.34 | influx^^ | for handguns |
| 19:22.38 | influx^^ | timinator: cool |
| 19:22.42 | timinator | depends on the handgun |
| 19:22.56 | influx^^ | not auto/semi-auto |
| 19:23.02 | timinator | that Glock 36 is 6 rounds |
| 19:23.05 | timinator | but that's low |
| 19:23.21 | influx^^ | I think I've heard of 10-round magazines existing but being illegal. |
| 19:23.28 | timinator | most that I've tried are 10 rounds |
| 19:23.35 | dataw0lf | influx^^: well I'm a criminal then |
| 19:23.53 | influx^^ | nix I've. That should say "I had" |
| 19:24.00 | timinator | dataw0lf has a banana clip that holds 30 rounds |
| 19:24.09 | influx^^ | For a handgun? |
| 19:24.12 | influx^^ | sheesh |
| 19:24.12 | dataw0lf | I have a drum that holds 200 |
| 19:24.29 | dataw0lf | I don't want to be kilt for lack of shootin' back |
| 19:24.31 | dataw0lf | - Unforgiven |
| 19:24.59 | influx^^ | Man. I'll have to make a day out of going to Impact. |
| 19:25.39 | timinator | good for you brasto |
| 19:25.44 | brasto | stout, as in my last name, and as in the kind of service I give |
| 19:25.50 | brasto | and the bandwidth I deliver |
| 19:26.25 | influx^^ | Fat? |
| 19:26.47 | SunSparc | Sorry to come in late on this, but what brought up guns? |
| 19:26.48 | brasto | ~dict stout |
| 19:27.26 | dataw0lf | brasto: what type of hosting scheme are you running? |
| 19:27.31 | brasto | many people think "Stout" means fat, but it does not, it means "strong, buff, sturdy" |
| 19:27.44 | brasto | in short, it describes me... :) |
| 19:27.45 | _psychic_ | naw it means booze |
| 19:27.47 | timinator | Drunk Hosting |
| 19:27.48 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: All you can eat. |
| 19:27.52 | timinator | similar to drunk monkeys |
| 19:28.02 | mgeary | SunSparc: some weenie started bashing on gun nuts |
| 19:28.15 | timinator | LOL mgeary |
| 19:28.21 | timinator | BRB |
| 19:28.25 | brasto | dataw0lf, I run freebsd 6.2, Apache 2.2 Virtual servers. |
| 19:28.33 | SunSparc | mgeary: Ah, I see. I did not know that guns had nuts. |
| 19:28.46 | mgeary | SunSparc: well, you obviously don't know guns the way we do |
| 19:28.56 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:29.05 | SunSparc | I am thinking that is a good thing |
| 19:29.16 | _psychic_ | freebsd? What linux distro does that come from? |
| 19:30.01 | SunSparc | hehe, _psychic_ you are looking for trouble ;) |
| 19:30.12 | _psychic_ | it's my job. |
| 19:30.15 | SunSparc | I saw someone mention Glock. I am looking to get a Glock 19. |
| 19:30.27 | SunSparc | _psychic_: You do it well. You deserve a raise. |
| 19:30.41 | influx^^ | are .45 Glocks only available to police? |
| 19:30.41 | _psychic_ | 0 * 2 |
| 19:31.19 | SunSparc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.31 | SunSparc | So go ahead and vote yourself an infinite raise. |
| 19:31.44 | _psychic_ | w00t |
| 19:32.10 | _psychic_ | but I don't want to prevent anyone (that isn't qualified) from having one |
| 19:32.14 | mikesmullin | http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/infowars-shop_1966_5286433 |
| 19:32.21 | brasto | dataw0lf - did that answer your question? |
| 19:32.38 | SunSparc | mikesmullin: That is a good one :) |
| 19:32.53 | mikesmullin | hehehe i am planning to buy it :) |
| 19:33.10 | SunSparc | Gun control usually only helps protect criminals from getting shot. |
| 19:33.20 | dataw0lf | brasto: oh, sorry, got involved in a conversation elsewhere. |
| 19:33.22 | dataw0lf | word |
| 19:34.44 | mgeary | SunSparc: what do you base that on? |
| 19:35.12 | mgeary | SunSparc: have you seen stats on other industrialized countries' gun violence? |
| 19:35.18 | SunSparc | What, you mean my blatantly generalized and unsubstantiated claim a couple lines up? |
| 19:35.23 | mgeary | why yes |
| 19:35.26 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:35.29 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:35.39 | SunSparc | No, I have not seen their stats. Enlighten me. |
| 19:36.01 | dataw0lf | Also, what's the percentage of KNIFE assaults in gun controlled nations? |
| 19:36.30 | SunSparc | And also rock, 2x4, crowbar, and drunk driver assaults. |
| 19:36.57 | dataw0lf | if people want to be violent, they're going to be violent. |
| 19:37.05 | dataw0lf | and criminals will get guns whether or not they're illegal |
| 19:37.10 | dataw0lf | that's why they're, dun dun dun, CRIMINALS |
| 19:37.14 | mgeary | not true |
| 19:37.15 | SunSparc | I can use whatever stats you give me, for or against, to prove the guns can be used correctly and incorrectly. |
| 19:37.30 | mgeary | violent crimes in europe almost never involve guns |
| 19:37.31 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Exactly |
| 19:37.33 | jsmith | "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns" |
| 19:37.37 | mgeary | bah |
| 19:37.42 | SunSparc | jsmith: Exactly |
| 19:37.52 | dataw0lf | mgeary: so? |
| 19:37.56 | dataw0lf | "violent crimes" |
| 19:37.57 | jsmith | mgeary: Actually, gun crime is on the rise in Europe, except in Switzerland, where everyone is required to own and known how to shoot a gun |
| 19:38.08 | mikesmullin | you should really listen to this testimony of a lady who grew up in Austria during Hitler's rise to power. a lot of the same arguments they used then are the ones you are using now: |
| 19:38.08 | mikesmullin | http://www.mikesmullin.com/files/Kitty%20Werthmann%20-%207.6.07@1.37.00.mp3 |
| 19:38.11 | mgeary | so, that refutes your claim that criminals will get guns |
| 19:38.16 | SunSparc | mgeary: Why is it, do you think, that guns crimes are lower in other countries? |
| 19:38.30 | dataw0lf | mgeary: I'm not talking about Europe. |
| 19:38.30 | jsmith | mgeary: The UK has some of the toughest gun laws, yet it's seeing some of the highest rises in gun crime rates. |
| 19:38.33 | dataw0lf | I'm talking about the states. |
| 19:39.03 | mgeary | dataw0lf: okay, but unless you want to argue that Americans are simply more violent people, you can draw corollaries |
| 19:39.15 | SunSparc | It is not really about guns. Replace "guns" with anything you can use as a weapon. |
| 19:39.29 | mgeary | SunSparc: i disagree |
| 19:39.33 | dataw0lf | not really, because noone will ever advocate, nor win, the outright ban of any firearms in the United States. |
| 19:39.38 | SunSparc | mgeary: I can tell :) |
| 19:39.40 | mgeary | SunSparc: when was the last time a child beat himself to death with a crowbar |
| 19:39.49 | mgeary | dataw0lf: i agree |
| 19:39.52 | dataw0lf | so, we're really talking about control of assault weapons / automatic weapons |
| 19:40.01 | dataw0lf | and they will still be available to CRIMINALS |
| 19:40.03 | SunSparc | mgeary: You got me there |
| 19:40.21 | mgeary | well, i personally would favor a ban on handguns. you want a rifle or shotgun? go for it |
| 19:40.35 | SunSparc | mgeary: you must be saying that we need to make guns as heavy and unweildy as crowbars? |
| 19:40.39 | jsmith | mgeary: Again, if you're worried 'bout the kids, ban swimming pools... Otherwise, that's a pointless argument |
| 19:40.54 | dataw0lf | kids accidentally shooting themselves with guns has nothing to do with guns |
| 19:40.56 | mgeary | jsmith: well if you're worried about swimming pools, let's talk auto accidents |
| 19:40.58 | mgeary | ; |
| 19:41.01 | dataw0lf | it has to do with irresponsible parents. |
| 19:41.04 | dataw0lf | Q.E.D. |
| 19:41.22 | dataw0lf | I can tell you this: |
| 19:41.30 | SunSparc | I don't think there should be any kind of ban on guns. I think there should be a ban on IDIOTS owning guns. |
| 19:41.31 | dataw0lf | my father, before he became a professor, was a park ranger |
| 19:41.42 | dataw0lf | and he owned a mini-14, a beretta 25, a .44, and a .45 |
| 19:41.49 | jsmith | mgeary: Auto accidents are harder to control than swimming pools. But I get the idea you don't want to talk about child safety. |
| 19:41.52 | dataw0lf | he taught me and my brothers (my sisters weren't interested) how to handle guns |
| 19:42.00 | dataw0lf | and whenever we wanted to see them, he'd take them down and show us to them |
| 19:42.07 | dataw0lf | we NEVER snuck the guns out |
| 19:42.22 | dataw0lf | And none of us ever shot ourselves in the face when we were being supervised handling the weapons. |
| 19:42.35 | dataw0lf | (which is the only way we could see the weapons - supervised) |
| 19:42.44 | mgeary | dataw0lf: so we should just demand that people are responsible? that'll work |
| 19:42.50 | SunSparc | Case and point. dataw0lf's dad is an example of a good gun owner. |
| 19:43.10 | dataw0lf | yea, and he's even more liberal than me! |
| 19:43.32 | influx^^ | Wouldn't banning/controlling guns be like controlling the symptom of a disease and not curing the disease? |
| 19:43.41 | SunSparc | influx^^: Yes |
| 19:44.09 | dataw0lf | yea - you can drink cough syrup and get rid of that pesky hacking cough, but the tuberculosis is probably still going to kill you |
| 19:44.54 | dataw0lf | anyways, I got to go into another channel where I'm having another debate on a sensitive topic - decriminalization of drugs |
| 19:44.54 | influx^^ | mgeary: Can't really demand anything. You need to persuade. |
| 19:45.16 | mgeary | influx^^: the government demands all the time |
| 19:45.20 | SunSparc | Or make it harder to get guns |
| 19:45.32 | mgeary | they demand that you pay your taxes, that you drive on the right side of the road,.... |
| 19:45.38 | mikesmullin | dataw0lf: i have links to a guy who used to work for CIA and is an eyewitness to them trafficking cocaine over the border... |
| 19:45.41 | SunSparc | But again, anyone who really wants one will find a way |
| 19:45.48 | influx^^ | mgeary: or else you get jailed or something |
| 19:45.54 | mindjuju | talking about cough syrup, have you seen how hard it is to get cough syrup with something decent in it? seems like all the meth users abused it making meth, they get their ingredients another way, and i still have my dang cough |
| 19:45.56 | influx^^ | you're persuaded to pay the taxes |
| 19:46.04 | SunSparc | mgeary: only people that keep laws, care about laws. |
| 19:46.13 | influx^^ | they don't just say "give us money" and have us say "okay! Whatever you say!" |
| 19:46.13 | dataw0lf | mikesmullin: I was in Afghanistan and was ordered to protect poppy crops several times. |
| 19:46.40 | mgeary | SunSparc: no, people who fear the consequences keep laws |
| 19:46.42 | mikesmullin | :) |
| 19:47.03 | dataw0lf | you guys know I redesigned my site yet again, right? |
| 19:47.03 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 19:47.07 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: link |
| 19:47.12 | SunSparc | mgeary: Well it may seem like that, but give them the chance and they will take it. |
| 19:47.23 | dataw0lf | influx^^: stderr.ws |
| 19:47.26 | influx^^ | k |
| 19:47.34 | dataw0lf | I'm still working on it |
| 19:47.37 | influx^^ | Looks better. |
| 19:47.53 | mikesmullin | mgeary: there are no real consequences when organized crime gets into our government. you get pardoned, and the only people who get prosecuted are the competition. |
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| 19:48.10 | dataw0lf | influx^^: meh. I'm no designer, I ripped off half that design. |
| 19:48.15 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 19:48.20 | dataw0lf | I'm more proud of the Django backend, myself. |
| 19:48.22 | influx^^ | You should have me design it and pay me in womens. |
| 19:48.24 | mindjuju | bummer, didn't make dataw0lf friends list |
| 19:48.30 | influx^^ | Well, little black books. |
| 19:48.35 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: couldn't remember your site, dude! |
| 19:49.04 | mindjuju | tis a cool site, and my site is being redesigned as we speak |
| 19:49.24 | dataw0lf | influx^^: hm, all I have on me is a russian and an aussie, can I pay in increments? |
| 19:50.00 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: url |
| 19:50.00 | influx^^ | Sure. |
| 19:50.26 | mindjuju | www.mindjuju.com |
| 19:50.38 | mindjuju | but i just moved it to godaddy, so don't link yet |
| 19:50.43 | dataw0lf | huh, I didn't know you registered mindjuju |
| 19:50.46 | mindjuju | give me a week on that and i'll upload the new files |
| 19:50.46 | dataw0lf | .com |
| 19:50.51 | dataw0lf | word |
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| 19:53.09 | dataw0lf | sup dave |
| 19:54.12 | mindjuju | well, now that the gun argument is over, i do want to same something having lived in a state with no guns. Lived in China for a year back in '99 . And back then when i toured south China, i heard villagers talk about riots against the gov. |
| 19:54.17 | mindjuju | specifically, how they were still living in communes and communistic, and the people in the north were living in cities and capitalistic. Big money difference between the two. |
| 19:54.24 | mindjuju | Because there weren't weapons, the people actually resorted to using dynamite in their protests. Because it was the only thing in hand that could get gov attention. |
| 19:54.31 | Utah_Dave | I'm writing a sweet python script with BeautifulSoup |
| 19:54.45 | mindjuju | If you look at this URL, you'll see the mention of dynamite used in protest of gov activity |
| 19:54.46 | mindjuju | http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/12/12/2003284043 |
| 19:55.12 | Utah_Dave | how you been, dataw0lf? |
| 19:55.41 | mikesmullin | Utah_Dave: have you tried HTMLTidy + SimpleXML? |
| 19:55.48 | dataw0lf | pretty good, doing some packet wizardry with the help of Python / Impacket |
| 19:56.35 | Utah_Dave | mikesmullin: yep. |
| 19:56.59 | mikesmullin | does BeautifulSoup support XPath? |
| 19:57.02 | timinator | I'm applying some firmware updates and such.... BRB (if it goes well) :) |
| 19:59.12 | dataw0lf | not much need for XPath with BeautifulSoup |
| 19:59.40 | mikesmullin | i'll check it out :) |
| 20:00.01 | Utah_Dave | mikesmullin: BeautifulSoup is for screen scraping and stuff, even if the HTML isn't valid or correct |
| 20:00.06 | dataw0lf | you a Python hacker, mikesmullin? |
| 20:00.50 | mikesmullin | never coded Python in my life |
| 20:01.03 | mikesmullin | but i have tried screen scraping invalid markup and its a PITA |
| 20:01.15 | mikesmullin | currently i'm using HTMLTidy + SimpleXML |
| 20:01.20 | mikesmullin | seems to work ok and I am fond of XPath |
| 20:01.21 | dataw0lf | ah, BeautifulSoup is Python |
| 20:01.40 | mikesmullin | yeah i gathered that from the homepage. syntax looks pretty simple |
| 20:05.10 | brasto | ~lol |
| 20:05.11 | jbot | methinks lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 20:11.10 | mindjuju | wow, i wonder if scalpers realize kids don't have $2000 to go to a concert -- http://www.stubhub.com/hannah-montana-tickets/?ticket_id=104687027 |
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| 20:14.18 | mindjuju | i don't think i've ever heard her sing despite the fact that I have a child at home who watches disney channel |
| 20:14.27 | mindjuju | i guess it's pretty good though? |
| 20:19.58 | dataw0lf | mgeary: do you do Flash freelancing? |
| 20:20.01 | dataw0lf | or anyone else for that matter? |
| 20:20.25 | mgeary | dataw0lf: i do some, yeah, but everyone i know who does flash has been swamped lately |
| 20:20.35 | mgeary | but small things can often be squeezed in |
| 20:20.58 | mgeary | you can PM me details, if you'd like. I may be able to help and/or route you to someone in a Flash user group... |
| 20:21.51 | mindjuju | why do flash programming when you can do LOGO! |
| 20:22.22 | mindjuju | do they still do logo? |
| 20:22.36 | mgeary | dunno |
| 20:22.37 | mindjuju | that would be awesome to teach my son |
| 20:22.44 | mindjuju | i mean, well, where did you get it? |
| 20:22.45 | mgeary | you can find free implementations of it all over |
| 20:23.05 | mgeary | http://www.alancsmith.co.uk/logo/ |
| 20:23.39 | mindjuju | that's freakin awesome! |
| 20:23.46 | mindjuju | now just have to find one for windows |
| 20:24.41 | mindjuju | well, i'll prolly buy one for my wife first |
| 20:25.00 | mindjuju | and son's laptop is a p3 900mhz that i built together from scrap in my office |
| 20:26.52 | mindjuju | have a thinkpad |
| 20:26.54 | mindjuju | it rox |
| 20:28.01 | mindjuju | is that what you have dataw0lf ? |
| 20:29.48 | dataw0lf | I have an alienware area-51 and a thinkpad |
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| 20:38.13 | mgeary | "by Karate Kid"? i don't think so.... |
| 21:05.03 | influx^^ | Show 'em if you got 'em. |
| 21:05.17 | mindjuju | straight flush to the queen |
| 21:05.28 | influx^^ | Arrr. |
| 21:06.05 | SunSparc | 5 aces |
| 21:06.06 | mindjuju | actually, if you recall, that's the winning hand that beat Nick Cage in Honeymoon in Vegas |
| 21:06.08 | SunSparc | oops! |
| 21:08.53 | mindjuju | i'm much better at spades than poker |
| 21:09.51 | mindjuju | hey SunSparc, did you know that HomeDepot has Shovels on sale? Yeah, when I went down there, the display had 7 in the bin |
| 21:10.16 | SunSparc | No kidding? I better head down there. |
| 21:10.46 | SunSparc | The better to whack you with. ;) |
| 21:11.11 | mindjuju | hey dude, we gots to practice our comments to see what the other has in his hand! |
| 21:11.18 | mindjuju | if we are going to play partners that is |
| 21:11.21 | SunSparc | But don't tell mgeary, he might insist on controlling my use of shovels. |
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| 21:12.08 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Ah, now I am reading you. |
| 21:12.13 | mindjuju | yeah! |
| 21:12.33 | mindjuju | spade is a kind of shovel, and 7 is the highest i have |
| 21:12.52 | mindjuju | so then you'd reply, i saw more at Lowes |
| 21:13.06 | mindjuju | or if you didn't have higher, you'd say, i think that's more than when I went to see |
| 21:13.17 | SunSparc | Yeah, now that I know the code, I think the other team might be on to us too quickly. |
| 21:13.25 | timinator | ~APB thebigdog |
| 21:13.25 | jbot | ACTION hires Leland to spray mace at thebigdog |
| 21:13.36 | mindjuju | yeah, but it sure makes them mad when you talk in code |
| 21:13.37 | timinator | that should get his attention |
| 21:14.20 | SunSparc | mindjuju: lol, especially if the code is intentionally too easy sounding and actually means something else completely. |
| 21:14.30 | mindjuju | yup! |
| 21:15.05 | mindjuju | course though, all card games come second to the most "violent, face-paced, action-packed" card game I know |
| 21:15.20 | SunSparc | UNO!! |
| 21:15.25 | mindjuju | literally seen people at debate tourneys jump over the table while playin' |
| 21:15.27 | mindjuju | nope, Spoons |
| 21:15.35 | SunSparc | Ah, hehe |
| 21:15.35 | mindjuju | you ever play? |
| 21:15.38 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 21:15.48 | SunSparc | Have the scars to prove it. :) |
| 21:15.58 | mindjuju | yeah, see, we always played it where the spoon was as good as in the middle unless it had cleared the edge of the table |
| 21:16.10 | mindjuju | thus people diving over the table to get |
| 21:16.24 | SunSparc | scary |
| 21:16.25 | mindjuju | we should play |
| 21:17.04 | SunSparc | Maybe we could open a meeting with a game of spoons so we would all be mad at each other the rest of the meeting and looking for a vengeful rematch at the end. |
| 21:17.28 | mindjuju | we should do that |
| 21:17.44 | influx^^ | heh |
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| 21:52.35 | mindjuju | @ timinator - have you heard Paul Van Dyk ? |
| 21:53.36 | timinator | I have not |
| 21:53.51 | timinator | ~wiki Paul Van Dyk |
| 21:56.32 | timinator | have you heard of DJ Icey? |
| 21:56.37 | timinator | I've got some of his stuff |
| 21:56.41 | timinator | VERY NICE |
| 21:56.49 | mindjuju | DJ Icey rox |
| 21:56.57 | mindjuju | i know this is going to sound funny, but |
| 21:57.06 | mindjuju | DJ Icey's girlfriend is somebody named Baby Anne |
| 21:57.10 | mindjuju | who does Breakbeats |
| 21:57.16 | mindjuju | she's freakin' awesome |
| 21:58.12 | mindjuju | <preEmptive>thebigdog doesn't know music so don't mind his critique of techno</preEmptive> |
| 21:58.16 | timinator | she's gotta be to hang with him |
| 21:58.38 | thebigdog | ~poo techno |
| 21:58.39 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at techno |
| 21:58.42 | mindjuju | here's her site - http://www.bassqueen.com/ |
| 22:00.09 | mindjuju | hey, she made a new site and that vid is pretty cool! |
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| 22:27.01 | mindjuju | isn't there a MIME type of unknown ? |
| 22:27.06 | mindjuju | why can't i find it? |
| 22:27.31 | mindjuju | its like something/unknown |
| 22:27.43 | mindjuju | maybe application/unknown ? |
| 22:33.47 | Black_Chaos | I didn't find the word unknown in my /etc/mime.types file |
| 22:36.42 | thebigdog | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 22:36.43 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 22:36.51 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 22:36.51 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 22:37.28 | timinator | ~flip thebigdog |
| 22:37.29 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 22:37.31 | influx^^ | so, guys... that drink: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/06/powdered_alcohol_drink/ |
| 22:38.02 | thebigdog | ~melvin |
| 22:38.05 | thebigdog | ~melvin timinator |
| 22:38.05 | jbot | ACTION pulls timinator underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 22:38.48 | timinator | ~monkey thebigdog |
| 22:38.49 | jbot | ACTION flings poo at thebigdog |
| 22:39.00 | thebigdog | ty timinator |
| 22:39.27 | timinator | np thebigdog |
| 22:39.40 | timinator | influx^^: that's crazy |
| 22:40.00 | timinator | it's crazy how it may avoid all of the alcohol laws |
| 22:41.02 | SunSparc | Does that mean it won't be against the word of wisdom to drink it? |
| 22:41.41 | thebigdog | SunSparc, you can do anything you want bro |
| 22:41.59 | SunSparc | hehe, naturally |
| 22:42.00 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:49.09 | mindjuju | ~shakespeare thebigdog |
| 22:49.09 | jbot | ACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: thebigdog - Thou reeky earth-vexing dewberry! |
| 22:49.39 | mindjuju | how true |
| 22:50.25 | timinator | what's the command for jbot that says "I fart in your general direction" |
| 22:50.45 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt thebigdog |
| 22:50.46 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! thebigdog, I burst my pimples at you... |
| 22:50.56 | mindjuju | i think its a random on that one |
| 22:51.04 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt thebigdog |
| 22:51.04 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! thebigdog is an English bedwetting type! |
| 22:51.09 | timinator | ~frenchtaunt |
| 22:51.20 | timinator | ~frenchtaunt thebigdog |
| 22:51.21 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! thebigdog is an English bedwetting type! |
| 22:51.31 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt thebigdog |
| 22:51.32 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! |
| 22:51.40 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:51.46 | mindjuju | ~frenchtaunt thebigdog |
| 22:51.47 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! |
| 22:51.47 | jnbek | lol |
| 22:51.56 | mindjuju | must be the other one |
| 22:52.00 | timinator | ~frenchtaunt thebigdog |
| 22:52.01 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! thebigdog is an English bedwetting type! |
| 22:52.01 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault thebigdog |
| 22:52.01 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! thebigdog is an English bedwetting type! thebigdog, I burst my pimples at you... You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 22:52.22 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault thebigdog |
| 22:52.23 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! thebigdog, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 22:52.48 | mindjuju | ~frenchassault thebigdog |
| 22:52.49 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! thebigdog, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 22:53.04 | mindjuju | it's there between one of those |
| 22:53.09 | mindjuju | if i recall |
| 22:58.12 | timinator | fungus: I ....wouldn't tell..... too many people .....that |
| 22:58.20 | timinator | *shrug |
| 22:58.25 | fungus | lol |
| 22:58.26 | timinator | that's just me |
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| 23:05.41 | timinator | check this: http://images.etsy.com/all_images/1/1c3/288/il_fullxfull.12098949.jpg |
| 23:08.20 | timinator | gotta run... later guys |
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