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| 00:57.09 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 00:57.17 | novus_aevum | yep |
| 00:58.09 | novus_aevum | still working on the shipping calc. I've written a class to get ups and usps, but I'm stuck on FedEx. You have to register on their site and that form is broken. |
| 00:58.41 | novus_aevum | But I did find a class that seems to be pretty popular so once I get some valid credentials I should be golden. |
| 00:59.13 | mindjuju | awesome! you know how in XML a blank line in the structure can monkey things up, is the inverse true? is it possible to strip out all the CR and just have the entire XML data without spaces? (benefit being decreased filesize, where the xml document i'm sending (a catalog) is nearly 5mb |
| 00:59.18 | mindjuju | that's awesome about the class! |
| 01:01.22 | novus_aevum | I don't know about that. I've written functions to output xml and I broke the lines just because. I never actually tried it the other way... |
| 01:02.03 | novus_aevum | Doesn't a 5mb flat file take a long time to load? |
| 01:02.19 | mindjuju | yup, v long time |
| 01:02.41 | mindjuju | i've got to methods, one that is a full catalog reload, and one that syncs to the latest records |
| 01:03.04 | mindjuju | the problem being that older records are sometimes updated, so a full reload is required from time to time |
| 01:03.40 | mindjuju | the resync takes seconds and is pretty peppy, but the other is dependant on the pipe to the application. if broadband, 3 minutes, if not broadband, who knows? |
| 01:04.20 | novus_aevum | Just curious... Why use XML instead of direct db access? |
| 01:05.23 | mindjuju | its a web service |
| 01:06.55 | novus_aevum | Can you use catalog.xml.php and then send in parameters to have it dynamically create just the catagory or product details or does the xml file live offsite? |
| 01:08.25 | novus_aevum | You probably know this but an xml file doesn't have to end in .xml just so long as the data it contains is valid xml |
| 01:08.57 | mindjuju | well, the web service is just dumping the xml back per client request, so it isn't a direct file call |
| 01:09.31 | mindjuju | i actually have the xml created 2x daily on a cron job, where the results are just dumped to RAM |
| 01:09.37 | mindjuju | to speed the return |
| 01:10.26 | mindjuju | ugh, though i just realized, if power outage or server reset, it's not going to be in memory... i'm going to need to set it as part of the start up to run that |
| 01:10.28 | novus_aevum | It sounds like a cool program |
| 01:11.35 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEZjQAi5q-8 |
| 01:11.52 | novus_aevum | What about splitting the xml file into multiple files. 1 that contains the names of each category and it's associated xml file and then a file for each category? |
| 01:11.52 | mindjuju | lots of fun actually. the hardest part is that the web service, which is in beta is dependant on the new normalized database i created, so tonigth is the night that I put down the old database and let the new run |
| 01:13.57 | novus_aevum | The ringer in the video sounds like the ringer on my phone! I was fooled!!! |
| 01:15.40 | mindjuju | that's an awesome vid |
| 01:16.35 | novus_aevum | Man that really is the truth. I was shocked that Bill Gates said that nobody would ever need more than 640k. Then he went on to build an OS that needs 2gb's!! |
| 01:18.58 | novus_aevum | Speaking of which... Is curl just a linux thing? I have the extension installed on a windows box and Apache starts with no problem but curl calls fail like the ext isn't even there. |
| 01:20.35 | mindjuju | not familiar with curl |
| 01:20.54 | mindjuju | herlo, are you familiar with curl ? |
| 01:21.49 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 01:22.11 | mindjuju | i could see using that in DOS batch |
| 01:22.58 | novus_aevum | I just googled it and found at that it works after you jump through a bunch of hoops including reinstalling PHP in a certain way... |
| 01:23.18 | mindjuju | hey novus_aevum , did you do the windows path part? |
| 01:23.22 | mindjuju | http://us3.php.net/curl |
| 01:23.29 | mindjuju | read about 1/2 way down |
| 01:23.31 | mindjuju | under installation |
| 01:24.10 | herlo | mindjuju: not really. I use wget mostly |
| 01:24.23 | mindjuju | well... la ti da! |
| 01:24.28 | mindjuju | :) |
| 01:25.00 | novus_aevum | thanks! Those are much easier hoops to jump through. Silly me, I thought all I had to do was simply uncomment the ext in the php.ini file and restart Apache. |
| 01:26.07 | novus_aevum | I'm outta here for a trip down to ut county. c ya... |
| 01:26.14 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 13:16.07 | timinator | mawnin' |
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| 14:16.35 | timinator | *yawn |
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| 14:57.11 | thebigdog | slow day today |
| 14:58.05 | mindjuju | i think i may work from home today, my head hurts from working on weekend |
| 14:59.48 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 15:19.17 | mgeary | ~lart mgeary for forgetting to register his vehicle |
| 15:19.17 | jbot | cuts off mgeary's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper for forgetting to register his vehicle |
| 15:19.32 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 15:19.35 | mindjuju | how overdue is it |
| 15:19.44 | mgeary | ummmm. May.... :/ |
| 15:19.46 | mindjuju | I ask because in Texas there is a grace |
| 15:19.51 | mindjuju | ohohhh... |
| 15:19.56 | mindjuju | yeah, not that much grace |
| 15:20.04 | mgeary | we moved last year and the reg form wasn't forwarded to the new addy |
| 15:20.05 | mindjuju | i think you get 30 days |
| 15:20.14 | mgeary | and, of course, i never voluntarily think of these things |
| 15:21.16 | mgeary | though it looks like it's (only) a $40 fine, from which they dock $10 if you get it regged w/in 14 days |
| 15:21.19 | mgeary | i can live with that |
| 15:21.34 | mindjuju | that cool |
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| 15:26.12 | mindjuju | quick question : you know how in xml line spacing isn't ok, is the lack of line spacing not ok too, or does it matter? |
| 15:26.31 | mindjuju | well, extra line spacing i mean |
| 15:28.42 | dataw0lf | shouldn't matter |
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| 15:30.16 | PoeticIntensity | mornin'... |
| 15:30.19 | mindjuju | awesome, i have a 5mb catalog in xml format and i think it would drop the filesize a little if i didn't have so many lines |
| 15:30.27 | mindjuju | morning poeticintensity |
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| 15:33.34 | PoeticIntensity | ok... got a question.... |
| 15:33.43 | PoeticIntensity | anyone have a favorite OSS shopping cart they use? |
| 15:34.07 | mindjuju | it seems like xcart is the cart du jour |
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| 15:39.10 | orson | yep, works without screen |
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| 15:42.28 | orsonj | I guess I'll have to dig out my old alarm clock code |
| 15:42.48 | orsonj | I had something there that worked pretty good. |
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| 15:55.20 | cole_joplin | http://youtube.com/watch?v=1h38kd8dYzg |
| 16:03.15 | orsonj | anyone here familiar with a "self" join? |
| 16:03.46 | jsmith | orsonj: Sure... what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:05.45 | orsonj | someone I work with is taking a database class and had a question about self joins that I didn't know. |
| 16:06.09 | orsonj | I am getting him on the mailing list and told him to ask there, but though I'd give a heads up. |
| 16:08.39 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 16:10.00 | cycokilr | yeah he does.. sheesh! |
| 16:13.02 | dataw0lf | jsmith is like Caine from Kung Fu... He wanders alone |
| 16:13.27 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Exactly... |
| 16:14.06 | cycokilr | hey dw.. what's up man? |
| 16:14.43 | cycokilr | dataw0lf: dude, did i tell you we found out the kid's a girl? |
| 16:15.01 | dataw0lf | cycokilr: No! Congratulations bro! |
| 16:15.12 | cycokilr | we're naming her Mabel.. |
| 16:15.19 | dataw0lf | awesome |
| 16:15.20 | cycokilr | thanks man.. |
| 16:15.22 | dataw0lf | when's the due date? |
| 16:15.27 | cycokilr | feb 3rd.. |
| 16:15.58 | dataw0lf | 0word |
| 16:16.01 | dataw0lf | -0 |
| 16:21.39 | timinator | BRB |
| 16:25.17 | _psychic_ | gonna do the ultrasound today |
| 16:26.38 | mgeary | _psychic_: first kid? |
| 16:26.47 | _psychic_ | 3rd |
| 16:26.55 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 16:27.03 | mgeary | heh. going from 2 to 3 is a lot more than going from 1 to 2 |
| 16:27.08 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 16:27.12 | _psychic_ | they outnumber us |
| 16:27.35 | mgeary | but it's awesome |
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| 17:09.55 | cycokilr | http://www.liewcf.com/blog/wp-images/porcupine-baby.jpg |
| 17:10.03 | cycokilr | weird |
| 17:14.03 | orsonj | hedgehog though - http://www.liewcf.com/blog/archives/2005/08/porcupine-baby/ |
| 17:14.27 | macnewbold | _psychic_: congrats on the kid! We're expecting our first girl in december, and her 3 older brothers are really excited. |
| 17:14.47 | _psychic_ | thanks - congrats yourself |
| 17:14.54 | _psychic_ | we'd be excited for either |
| 17:14.56 | _psychic_ | it'd be three boys |
| 17:14.59 | _psychic_ | or two boys and a girl |
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| 17:24.49 | orsonj | for comparison, baby porcupine: http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/SmallMammals/images/babycoendou2.jpg |
| 17:27.40 | cycokilr | yeah, that makes more sense.. |
| 17:27.54 | cycokilr | i guess you can't believe everything you read on the internet.. |
| 17:27.55 | cycokilr | bummer.. |
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| 17:41.36 | mindjuju | i've got to write an app for a special server i'm rolling out that allows registered clients to upload files. That in itself isn't v hard, and i'm fine with it. The question comes in with a virus. I don't expect the clients to upload files that are virus laden, but then again, which file advertises that it is such? That said, if the server (which is windows) has an antivirus program running removes the file for having a virus unbe |
| 17:41.44 | mindjuju | any ideas? |
| 17:43.46 | orsonj | mind finishing that? |
| 17:43.59 | cycokilr | nah, i'm full.. |
| 17:44.24 | orsonj | no, "having a virus unbe..." |
| 17:45.06 | orsonj | sorry, humor detector failed again. |
| 17:45.36 | mindjuju | did the whole message not come over? |
| 17:46.01 | orsonj | it stopped where I showed ... |
| 17:46.15 | orsonj | It could possibly be my client |
| 17:46.22 | wps | was truncated for me too |
| 17:46.27 | mindjuju | in net effect, i'm worried that an antivirus scanner may delete a file where the database may report that it is still present |
| 17:48.18 | orsonj | you might simply configure the virus scanner to ignore the upload directory? |
| 17:48.24 | mindjuju | are you saying, scan first then show that the file came across ok? |
| 17:48.40 | mindjuju | oh, yeah could exclude the directory |
| 17:52.31 | orsonj | I don't know, but you could exclude, then maybe use the cli portion of the scanner to scan it from within your script. |
| 17:52.49 | orsonj | if you have a cli for your scanner. |
| 17:53.18 | orsonj | or clamav if you don't |
| 17:53.56 | mindjuju | yeah, was just thinking about clam |
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| 17:59.45 | macnewbold | clam is cool, avg is another I hear people mention a lot |
| 18:01.16 | macnewbold | you might be able to hook in the clamav email scanner or something |
| 18:01.24 | macnewbold | just have it check the one file and tell you yes or no |
| 18:01.26 | macnewbold | ? |
| 18:01.30 | macnewbold | that's a good question |
| 18:01.41 | macnewbold | or you could just use a linux server or freebsd server... :) |
| 18:02.38 | macnewbold | in all seriousness, if you're not executing the file nor sending it to a user to execute, it shouldn't be a problem. If you're really paranoid you could take the file they send in and compress or encrypt it so that even if it is a virus EXE it can't be executed |
| 18:04.17 | orsonj | yep, I guess it would depend on the application, however us web programmers can't be too careful. :) |
| 18:10.46 | bradym | i'd stay away from AVG.. a friend of mine had that on a server or two she used to manage and she never had anything good to say about it |
| 18:20.41 | mindjuju | i'm back |
| 18:20.44 | mgeary | whew |
| 18:21.01 | mgeary | ;) |
| 18:21.06 | mindjuju | :) |
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| 18:22.07 | mindjuju | well, go figure this. i'm working from home today, i'm sitting in a hard chair and still have slight headache staring at two computers, when i suddenly realize, i could be sitting up in bed, watching a movie and working off my laptop |
| 18:22.32 | mindjuju | so, i'm back now... watching movie and having a drink of OJ |
| 18:23.48 | wps | if you're working from home, you'll need this: http://www.thrivingoffice.com/ |
| 18:25.38 | mindjuju | wps , that's awesome! |
| 18:43.33 | jsmith | wps: Nice, but I can already do that myself... I have phones ringing off the hook ;-) |
| 18:43.49 | wps | I don't know why anyone would want to add noise |
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| 18:50.29 | thebigdog | for timinator |
| 18:51.55 | timinator | NICE |
| 18:51.59 | mgeary | ~snipe thebigdog |
| 18:52.00 | jbot | ACTION peers out from behind the bell in his ruined clock tower perch, draws a bead on the tip of thebigdog 's spine, holds his breath and... yells "BOOOO!!" |
| 18:52.00 | timinator | ty thebigdog |
| 18:52.22 | thebigdog | mgeary, that is kind sick man |
| 18:52.29 | mgeary | yelling BOO??? |
| 18:52.36 | thebigdog | that reference |
| 18:52.41 | mgeary | reference? |
| 18:52.57 | mgeary | isn't that where snipers always hide? |
| 18:52.58 | thebigdog | oh....i'm thinking 1950s sniper |
| 18:53.23 | thebigdog | college campus |
| 18:53.37 | mgeary | eww. don't know about that |
| 18:54.29 | thebigdog | let me think of the name |
| 18:55.34 | thebigdog | http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/whitman/index_1.html |
| 18:56.57 | mgeary | hmmm |
| 18:58.34 | mgeary | ~snipe thebigdog |
| 18:58.34 | jbot | ACTION peers out from underneath a huge stack of Cheetos™ bags,, draws a bead on the tip of thebigdog 's spine, holds his breath and launches a fistful of gummy worms aloft.... SPLAT!! |
| 18:58.45 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 18:58.54 | thebigdog | calvin style |
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| 19:22.50 | timinator | I've got a buddy that writes PHP..... he's looking to make a switch. |
| 19:22.57 | timinator | anyone looking for employees? |
| 19:24.43 | thebigdog | switch jobs? |
| 19:26.10 | dataw0lf | timinator: in Reno, yea. |
| 19:26.45 | timinator | thebigdog: yes, switch jobs |
| 19:27.11 | thebigdog | he only does php? |
| 19:27.14 | timinator | dataw0lf: I'll let him know |
| 19:27.15 | thebigdog | any other skills |
| 19:27.28 | timinator | he's more of a DB guy, but I know him for his PHP skills |
| 19:27.40 | thebigdog | which db? |
| 19:28.09 | timinator | Oracle and SQL flavors |
| 19:28.51 | thebigdog | oh..that kind of stuff |
| 19:29.14 | cycokilr | http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-betavoltaic-10.1.html |
| 19:29.19 | cycokilr | strange stuff.. |
| 19:29.31 | timinator | I know him for his PHP skills, but he's been in tech for years |
| 19:29.54 | thebigdog | does he know networking? |
| 19:30.16 | timinator | are you looking for somebody thebigdog?? |
| 19:30.22 | timinator | :) |
| 19:30.34 | thebigdog | for someone with networking skills that might do some programming |
| 19:30.36 | thebigdog | but not php |
| 19:30.55 | timinator | I'll get a resume from him then |
| 19:31.19 | thebigdog | if he knows networking then i would check out hte resume |
| 19:31.25 | timinator | gotcha |
| 19:31.36 | timinator | otherwise I won't waste your time |
| 19:31.37 | thebigdog | networking and dba stuff is what im looking for |
| 19:31.40 | timinator | brotha |
| 19:31.47 | timinator | k |
| 19:31.55 | thebigdog | k |
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| 20:15.34 | mgeary | how do i "cat" something to prepend it to another file? |
| 20:18.40 | mgeary | >> |
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| 20:19.02 | SunSparc | cat filename >> otherfilename |
| 20:19.11 | mgeary | yeah, 10 secs too late |
| 20:19.15 | mgeary | THANKS A BUNCH |
| 20:19.15 | unum | just make sure you use two > |
| 20:19.16 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:19.17 | mgeary | ;) |
| 20:19.51 | mgeary | so can i do this: cat file1 >> file2 >> somenewfile ? |
| 20:20.01 | mgeary | to create a new file that is file1 and then file2? |
| 20:20.15 | SunSparc | Try it out |
| 20:20.17 | mgeary | no |
| 20:20.21 | SunSparc | I am thinking no |
| 20:20.26 | mgeary | that above command would touch file2 |
| 20:20.33 | mgeary | right? |
| 20:20.39 | mgeary | that wouldn't be good |
| 20:21.00 | mgeary | maybe: cat file1 file2 >> somenewfile |
| 20:21.29 | mgeary | or just |
| 20:21.31 | mgeary | maybe: cat file1 file2 > somenewfile |
| 20:21.59 | mgeary | yep |
| 20:25.26 | bradym | timinator: we're looking for more php devs if he's willing to relocate to cali |
| 20:25.48 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 20:26.06 | timinator | that's a heafty relocate :) |
| 20:26.22 | timinator | but I'll tell him about it |
| 20:27.37 | bradym | yeah.. it is a big move |
| 20:28.01 | timinator | my father-in-law lives in Cali |
| 20:28.04 | timinator | wants us to move |
| 20:28.11 | bradym | what part? |
| 20:28.15 | timinator | but we'd have to make a ton more |
| 20:28.22 | timinator | Pollock Pines |
| 20:28.53 | timinator | his 5 figure home is worth nearly half a million now |
| 20:29.01 | bradym | wow |
| 20:29.01 | timinator | it's beautiful up there |
| 20:30.40 | bradym | never heard of it, but looking at google maps i can tell it would be a nice place |
| 20:30.55 | timinator | I brought some Doug Fir and White Fir saplings back, but they didn't make it |
| 20:31.07 | timinator | it's on the mountain |
| 20:31.15 | timinator | there's massive trees everywhere |
| 20:31.30 | bradym | yeah, that close to tahoe it would be awesome |
| 20:31.35 | timinator | he's got 100' Firs in his backyard |
| 20:31.38 | timinator | yep |
| 20:31.45 | bradym | nice |
| 20:32.52 | bradym | i'm in san mateo, company is in foster city which is awesome.. it's like 10 minutes to get to work.. it's a shorter drive than what i had to go from my apartment in logan to USU campus before i moved out here :) |
| 20:34.01 | timinator | it's so much more expensive out there though |
| 20:34.17 | bradym | very true |
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| 20:35.09 | bradym | It's much easier for me though since I don't have to worry about providing for a wife or kids |
| 20:52.21 | timinator | that helps |
| 20:52.27 | timinator | wives are expensive |
| 20:52.33 | timinator | kids are expensive |
| 20:53.03 | timinator | and wives want kids |
| 20:53.33 | SunSparc | And kids want moms and moms and kids want money. Vicious cycle. |
| 20:53.37 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 20:56.24 | bradym | lol |
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| 20:57.22 | thebigdog | very vicious...i bought a new minivan...that really sucked |
| 20:58.55 | timinator | what'cha get thebigdog |
| 20:59.03 | thebigdog | toyota sienna again |
| 21:00.08 | timinator | we got a good deal on a Saturn Revue |
| 21:00.10 | thebigdog | ~pinch mgeary |
| 21:00.11 | jbot | ACTION scuttles after mgeary, pinches him, and then scuttles away |
| 21:00.33 | thebigdog | toyota's rearwindows roll down |
| 21:00.35 | thebigdog | that is killer |
| 21:02.08 | mgeary | "rear rear"? |
| 21:02.13 | mgeary | as opposed to middle? |
| 21:02.18 | thebigdog | middle |
| 21:02.33 | thebigdog | does odyssey's do that too |
| 21:02.34 | mgeary | don't all middle windows roll down? |
| 21:02.41 | thebigdog | dodge does not |
| 21:02.47 | PoeticIntensity | Chrysler does not |
| 21:02.54 | mgeary | our Odyssey has 4 windows that roll down |
| 21:03.00 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:03.18 | thebigdog | both power sliding doors |
| 21:03.19 | mgeary | yeah, i wouldn't even consider one that didn't |
| 21:03.34 | mgeary | we opted out of the power doors. one more thing to break, imo :) |
| 21:03.46 | mgeary | we just got the bare-bones version |
| 21:03.48 | thebigdog | i have never had issues with them |
| 21:03.58 | mgeary | well, Toyota's got a great rep |
| 21:04.02 | thebigdog | i got that one that will break the bank |
| 21:05.05 | thebigdog | i like me toyota...honda has a nice one |
| 21:07.58 | thebigdog | its just expensive now days to have a family |
| 21:08.53 | beandog | I cant even afford myself. |
| 21:09.00 | beandog | Those Star Trek Voyager DVDs are expensive! |
| 21:09.25 | beandog | Captain Janeway is hawt. |
| 21:09.35 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 21:10.10 | beandog | well you can download them for free on NBC |
| 21:10.15 | beandog | for a week. |
| 21:10.18 | mgeary | can't *download* them |
| 21:10.19 | mgeary | just watch 'em |
| 21:10.22 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 21:10.24 | beandog | well poop. |
| 21:10.44 | thebigdog | its stupid |
| 21:10.47 | beandog | I missed the Office premiere |
| 21:15.21 | mgeary | holy cow. |
| 21:15.41 | mgeary | it's in a horde of tiny chunks |
| 21:16.12 | mgeary | POST requests |
| 21:16.46 | mgeary | ah, well apparently that's how FCS works |
| 21:19.01 | orsonj | Final Cut Studio? |
| 21:19.09 | mgeary | Flash Communication Server |
| 21:19.14 | orsonj | Fruitcake Syndrome? |
| 21:19.20 | mgeary | the streaming solution |
| 21:19.37 | orsonj | ah, but I like Fruitcake Syndrome better |
| 21:19.54 | mgeary | more or less the same thing |
| 21:27.07 | timinator | BRB |
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| 21:36.39 | thebigdog | hehe |
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| 23:03.25 | cycokilr | oh hey, i head that we're hiring a couple system engineers in the next month out here.. |
| 23:03.36 | cycokilr | in case anyone is interested.. |
| 23:03.59 | cycokilr | among other things.. http://interbankfx.com/Company/Careers.aspx |
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