| 00:07.08 | thebigdog | sweet |
| 00:13.52 | mindjuju | ~lart thebigdog |
| 00:13.52 | jbot | calls thebigdog on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 00:14.04 | thebigdog | ~lart mindjuju |
| 00:14.04 | jbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats mindjuju until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 00:14.13 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 00:22.18 | Utah_Dave | ~uptime |
| 00:23.02 | mindjuju | ~judoChop thebigdog |
| 00:23.14 | thebigdog | ~melvin mindjuju |
| 00:23.15 | jbot | ACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 00:23.19 | mindjuju | darn, we need to program some austin powers commands |
| 00:23.40 | mindjuju | Austin D Powers, Danger is my middle name |
| 00:44.28 | thebigdog | oh how i love pgsql |
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| 07:09.00 | aeshanw | hi folks |
| 07:09.11 | aeshanw | has anyone used exif? |
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| 14:15.19 | timinator | morning all |
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| 14:47.38 | orsonj | ~lart something |
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| 15:14.11 | beandog | http://www.woot.com/ |
| 15:14.13 | beandog | not bad at all |
| 15:14.19 | beandog | i wantsa wootsie |
| 15:22.42 | PoeticIntensity | ~woot |
| 15:22.43 | jbot | woot is, like, an ANU student and programmer, and a person with questionable paternal heritage that doesn't realize the bot is in numerous channels, not just his. |
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| 15:41.19 | PoeticIntensity | morning all.... |
| 15:41.37 | PoeticIntensity | anyone here know of a linux tool to convert various video formats to a "flv"? |
| 15:43.09 | wps | no, but here is a free web-based converter: |
| 15:43.09 | wps | http://online.movavi.com/ |
| 15:44.06 | orsonj | I have used ffmpeg with sucess to convert some files to flv |
| 15:44.44 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... I'm just doing some preliminary research on how to get video capability on a website... |
| 15:45.16 | PoeticIntensity | making it idiot proof (like youtube) isn't quite as easy at first glance... |
| 15:45.43 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, mplayer might do it |
| 15:45.51 | wps | here's another: http://www.flvix.com/ |
| 15:46.01 | orsonj | also, checkout youtubeclone |
| 15:46.31 | thebigdog | ffmpeg is the one i was thinking of not mplayer |
| 15:46.42 | PoeticIntensity | hrm..... |
| 15:46.55 | thebigdog | ffmpeg -i movie.[avi] -s 320x240 -ar 44100 -r 12 movie.flv |
| 15:47.01 | thebigdog | cat movie.flv | flvtool2 -U stdin movie.flv |
| 15:47.18 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 15:47.21 | PoeticIntensity | flvtool2? |
| 15:47.22 | thebigdog | that should work for ya |
| 15:47.32 | PoeticIntensity | wild.... |
| 15:47.41 | PoeticIntensity | if it's really that easy, this might just work... |
| 15:47.44 | thebigdog | that adds the movie duration into the meta data |
| 15:47.56 | thebigdog | so players can read it |
| 15:48.15 | PoeticIntensity | the player I'm lookin' at is the flowplayer... |
| 15:48.18 | PoeticIntensity | looks pretty sweet. |
| 15:48.24 | PoeticIntensity | http://flowplayer.org/ |
| 15:48.33 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 15:48.36 | thebigdog | that be the one |
| 15:48.48 | PoeticIntensity | hrm dee durm... |
| 15:51.30 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, thebigdog wps, and orsonj |
| 15:52.06 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 15:57.15 | Utah_Dave | ~cookie |
| 15:57.47 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow.... I had no idea that ffmpeg is the swiss-army-knife of video conversion.... |
| 15:57.55 | PoeticIntensity | it supports like 200 video formats... |
| 15:58.13 | macnewbold | wow, so where does that leave mencoder? |
| 15:58.32 | beandog | mencoder is beyond ffmpeg. |
| 15:58.33 | PoeticIntensity | well... mencoder, AFAIK, is a great encoder.... |
| 15:58.37 | beandog | simple as that. |
| 15:58.38 | beandog | :) |
| 15:58.41 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 15:58.49 | beandog | besides |
| 15:58.50 | PoeticIntensity | ffmpeg encodes and decodes. |
| 15:58.52 | PoeticIntensity | and translates. |
| 15:58.58 | macnewbold | so does mencoder/mplayer |
| 15:58.58 | beandog | mplayer / mencoder uses ffmpeg anyway. |
| 15:59.01 | beandog | heck |
| 15:59.03 | macnewbold | oh, gotcha |
| 15:59.08 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 15:59.12 | beandog | theres like 2 multimedia apps that *dont* use ffmpeg. |
| 15:59.16 | macnewbold | so can either of them convert DVD format video to flash video? |
| 15:59.19 | beandog | yah |
| 15:59.21 | beandog | thats easy. |
| 15:59.36 | beandog | I cant remember how. |
| 15:59.40 | PoeticIntensity | but its easy. |
| 15:59.40 | macnewbold | does it need a player or anything like that, or does it just give me a swf I can post? |
| 15:59.43 | PoeticIntensity | bah. |
| 15:59.47 | beandog | mencoder -ovf lavf foo.avi -o foo.flv something .. |
| 16:00.09 | PoeticIntensity | ffmpeg doesn't play anything and seems to be a lot smaller. |
| 16:00.16 | PoeticIntensity | so for straight video conversion... |
| 16:00.27 | PoeticIntensity | I believe ffmpeg is what is needed. |
| 16:00.33 | beandog | ffmpeg -i foo.avi -of dvd-ntsc or somthing .. |
| 16:00.38 | beandog | super simple. |
| 16:00.46 | PoeticIntensity | I'm relating it to "sox" in the audio world. |
| 16:00.53 | beandog | ah, yes. |
| 16:00.58 | beandog | sox is the audio swiss-army knife |
| 16:01.02 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 16:01.41 | PoeticIntensity | anyway... craziness. |
| 16:01.47 | beandog | :) |
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| 16:06.18 | Utah_Dave | cool. there's finally a gpl Exchange connector. http://www.omesc.com/ |
| 16:08.20 | brasto | Nice! |
| 16:08.59 | brasto | Now that I don't need an interface into Exchange, there's one available... |
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| 16:18.51 | fungus | Doesn't Evolution already do this? |
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| 16:26.34 | fungus | Oh, I get it. It just exposes all Exchange features, instead of the limited set that WebDAV exposed. |
| 16:27.37 | fungus | Too bad, that is not my problem with Evolution. My problem is the crashing, freezing, and connection instability to Exchange. |
| 16:27.57 | fungus | I would rather have stability than more Exchange specific features. |
| 16:35.11 | mgeary | yeah, it's niiiice out |
| 16:35.28 | wps | I hate being hot more than I hate the devil |
| 16:35.51 | wps | well, perhaps not that much, but close :) |
| 16:37.26 | wps | man, I'm really getting tired of the latency issue with my internet connection (when I am using VPN and mounting volumes across the net)… which makes me sad because I love it besides that… it's really fast |
| 16:40.50 | wps | working from home is tricky, you have to have a when-I'm-in-the-office-I'm-not-really-home policy |
| 16:40.55 | wps | …or you can't get anything done |
| 16:40.56 | orsonj | btw, ffmpeg comes with a player: ffplay |
| 16:41.22 | orsonj | useful for testing, but not a good player |
| 16:52.46 | orsonj | hmmm, it looks like that exchange connector has been around for over a year |
| 16:53.04 | mindjuju | ~APB cole_joplin |
| 16:53.05 | jbot | ACTION summons Beth to rough up cole_joplin |
| 16:53.22 | cole_joplin | sorry, was called to a meeting |
| 16:53.27 | cole_joplin | I'm back now |
| 16:57.50 | mindjuju | do ya'll mind if I ask an HR question in here to see if I over reacted on something? |
| 16:59.31 | mgeary | 'course not |
| 16:59.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 17:00.09 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: never. |
| 17:00.14 | dataw0lf | (on overreacting) |
| 17:01.08 | mindjuju | k, so my padawan has this thing he does. He either 1 "digs deep and adjusts" or walks bow legged and "adjusts" in front of employees, female -- male , who ever is around |
| 17:01.27 | mindjuju | prolly does it like every 3 - 5 min, no joke |
| 17:01.48 | SunSparc | lol |
| 17:01.50 | mindjuju | so, i've asked him to stop, and we've talked about not doing it when people are present |
| 17:01.51 | SunSparc | poor guy |
| 17:02.15 | mindjuju | cause people notice, and when I mean dig deep, i mean, REALLY dig deep, its obvious what he's doing |
| 17:02.23 | mgeary | oh jeeze |
| 17:02.41 | dataw0lf | I'd slap the sh*t out of him |
| 17:02.51 | mindjuju | so, today, he's starts digging deep in my office and i asked him to stop, he gets pissy and says its his buisness, so i haul him down to the HR rep |
| 17:02.53 | mindjuju | and she's a lady |
| 17:03.21 | mgeary | "are you crazy? Did your mother teach you nothing? Go to the bathroom and take care of things if you can't be more discrete" |
| 17:03.25 | mindjuju | and I say, "David has a problem with grabbing or rearranging his test!cles in public, we've talked about it, and now i think we need to take the next step" |
| 17:03.55 | mindjuju | so, i left him with her to talk about corporate policy to do handle it |
| 17:03.59 | mindjuju | do ya'll think it was too much? |
| 17:04.04 | bradym | no |
| 17:04.05 | mgeary | no |
| 17:04.08 | dataw0lf | hell no |
| 17:04.10 | bradym | if anything, not enough |
| 17:04.10 | SunSparc | no |
| 17:04.18 | bradym | but not too much |
| 17:04.20 | mgeary | especially not if gave you crap when you spoke to him about it |
| 17:04.22 | SunSparc | Tell him to get a jock strap or somethin |
| 17:04.32 | mgeary | if *he gave.... |
| 17:04.35 | mindjuju | k, that makes me feel better |
| 17:04.44 | mindjuju | he honestly gave crap saying it wasn't my business |
| 17:05.06 | mgeary | he's at work. that makes it your business |
| 17:05.11 | bradym | the fact that he was doing it right in front of you kinda made it your business.. even though you didn't want it to be |
| 17:05.57 | mgeary | i mean, gross. i'd never shake his hand again |
| 17:06.45 | SunSparc | OMG, you better watch out! The ACLU is going to be banging on your doors telling you that you stepped on someone's right to adjust themselves in public!!! Run away!! |
| 17:07.29 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:07.56 | SunSparc | Political Correctness is a friggin social disease. |
| 17:08.09 | Utah_Dave | I think you acted very reasonably |
| 17:08.12 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: |
| 17:08.26 | SunSparc | Ditto. We got your back mindjuju. |
| 17:08.37 | wps | I don't think that you overreacted |
| 17:09.24 | mindjuju | :) - cool, cause this dude came up to me afterwards, don't know how he heard, but said i was overreacting |
| 17:09.30 | fungus | I don't think you overreacted as long as the first warning was one-on-one and discrete. |
| 17:09.36 | wps | right |
| 17:10.15 | mindjuju | yeah, i did pull him aside and mentioned that doing that in front of women was absolutely not ok, and that he should probably save that for the bathroom. the occassional readjustment when nobody is looking is fine |
| 17:10.31 | mindjuju | but definitely not when people are around. |
| 17:10.39 | SunSparc | Agreed |
| 17:10.50 | cycokilr | wasn't there some other issue with this guy last week that you wanted to let him go over? |
| 17:10.59 | SunSparc | Tell him that if he makes it into an issue he is going to lose his job over it. |
| 17:11.00 | wps | yeah, is this the same guy? |
| 17:11.05 | mindjuju | yeah, same guy |
| 17:11.09 | wps | wow |
| 17:11.17 | cycokilr | that's no good man.. |
| 17:11.17 | wps | issues abound |
| 17:11.21 | mindjuju | he left prior to project being done and it was mission critical |
| 17:11.22 | orsonj | stuff like this makes me want to give out copies of "The No Asshole Rule" |
| 17:11.31 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: how is that political correctness? |
| 17:11.46 | orsonj | If someone is being an asshole, they need to hear it that way. |
| 17:12.07 | wps | I wonder if he needs to see a specialist |
| 17:12.12 | wps | no one needs to adjust that much |
| 17:12.51 | mindjuju | i wondered about that. We've got good medical, i'm sure there is a creme if they itch that much or something |
| 17:13.03 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: see, not being politically correct would be the way I would've reacted to his actions. |
| 17:13.22 | orsonj | or it might be something along the lines of a nervous habit |
| 17:13.23 | dataw0lf | "If you stopped banging 50 cent hookers, that might clear itself up. Go to the f***ing bathroom." |
| 17:13.31 | wps | http://www.teamgoldbond.com/images/goldbonddude.jpg |
| 17:13.51 | wps | (sorry… couldn't resist pasting the link) |
| 17:13.58 | mindjuju | oh crap, that's hilarious! |
| 17:14.04 | bradym | lol |
| 17:14.16 | wps | perhaps you could email that to him from your anonymous hotmail account |
| 17:14.57 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Exactly. What mindjuju did is the correct, non-PC way. I was lauding him and bagging on pc at the same time. |
| 17:16.33 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: yes but political correctness has nothing to do with "stepping on someone's right to adjust themselves in public" |
| 17:16.48 | dataw0lf | I think you're just mixing up various liberal bias. |
| 17:17.06 | SunSparc | Could be. |
| 17:17.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:17.27 | SunSparc | Either way, he did good. |
| 17:21.03 | bradym | Poor HR lady... bet that was a conversation she wasn't expecting to have today. |
| 17:29.17 | mindjuju | yeah, HR lady was stoic, but i could see the strain when i mentioned digging deep and the word test!cles and could she please explain corporate policy and professionalism. I wish i had a camera |
| 17:29.42 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 17:33.54 | bradym | lol - to be a fly on the wall for that conversation... |
| 17:41.12 | beandog | lol |
| 17:41.23 | beandog | I cant believe I almost missed that story |
| 17:41.35 | beandog | mindjuju, I thought you werent going to talk about thebigdog in here |
| 17:42.34 | mindjuju | heh, is thebigdog a grabber? i've never noticed |
| 17:44.30 | mindjuju | thebigdog goes commando ? |
| 17:44.44 | cycokilr | dudes, it all depends on what type of undies you wear.. well, mostly.. a little on size.. but mostly on undie types.. |
| 17:45.16 | thebigdog | hence the comment |
| 17:45.33 | cycokilr | yeah, i was typing that all out when you said that.. |
| 17:45.33 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 17:45.48 | orsonj | ~lart users |
| 17:45.48 | jbot | raises middle finger to users |
| 17:45.56 | thebigdog | ~flip orsonj |
| 17:45.57 | jbot | ACTION gives orsonj the .|.. ..|. |
| 17:46.18 | mgeary | ~melvinoops orsonj |
| 17:46.19 | jbot | ACTION reaches into orsonj's pants to grab the waistband of orsonj's Fruit of the Looms, but quickly withdraws it's hand, "ugh, hey everyone orsonj is going commando today!" |
| 17:46.19 | orsonj | someone needed help finding the "Shortcut to E-Mail" icon on their desktop |
| 17:46.39 | timinator | LOL |
| 17:47.37 | wps | sweet, a Mr. Potato Optimus Prime! |
| 17:47.38 | wps | http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VouqUOS4L._SS400_.jpg |
| 17:48.12 | thebigdog | orsonj, i use to take screenshots of desktop icons and put that as their background and remove all the icons |
| 17:48.14 | mgeary | thebigdog: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Nacktmull.jpg |
| 17:48.16 | thebigdog | that is a fun one to play |
| 17:51.13 | mindjuju | wps , for some reason your email on Timpanogos Park just came in, despite being timestamped on Friday? Anyways, that sounds like that could be a cool place to go. do they have bbq pits and everything? |
| 17:51.23 | beandog | its all about the underoos |
| 17:51.27 | wps | I think so |
| 17:51.29 | wps | it's a very nice park |
| 17:51.30 | wps | brand new |
| 17:51.57 | thebigdog | im only going if timinator is there |
| 17:52.02 | wps | http://www.orem.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=68&limit=1&limitstart=10 |
| 17:52.02 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 17:52.03 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 17:52.08 | mindjuju | so would ya'll rather it be just a bbq at the park or lunch some where and then park? |
| 17:52.11 | timinator | to the BBQ? |
| 17:52.13 | wps | http://www.timpfest.org/about/site.html |
| 17:52.18 | timinator | when and where |
| 17:52.34 | thebigdog | i would like something outside |
| 17:52.44 | mindjuju | that park looks awesome! |
| 17:53.01 | timinator | Ogden has some nice park |
| 17:53.05 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 17:53.07 | timinator | LOL thebigdog |
| 17:53.29 | thebigdog | timinator will be there and so will the bigdog |
| 17:53.43 | mindjuju | timinator, we're thinking Oct 20 |
| 17:54.00 | mgeary | that's just down the hill from us |
| 17:54.08 | mindjuju | that would be awesome! |
| 17:54.19 | thebigdog | yeah for all you souther exposers down there |
| 17:54.33 | mindjuju | so, would it be everybody bring your own or would we have a common thing? |
| 17:54.37 | mindjuju | potluck? |
| 17:54.49 | thebigdog | byom |
| 17:55.04 | thebigdog | and we could have everyone bring another dish |
| 17:55.06 | mgeary | byom + a side |
| 17:55.07 | thebigdog | for potluck |
| 17:55.07 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:55.38 | thebigdog | i usually bring a dessert or a side dish |
| 17:55.52 | thebigdog | but you can tell me and i will bring whatever |
| 17:56.07 | mgeary | we should plan for drinks as well |
| 17:56.10 | thebigdog | im just not bringing my teenager is all |
| 17:56.13 | mgeary | and possibly paperwell |
| 17:56.16 | mgeary | paperware |
| 17:56.55 | mindjuju | mgeary, so everybody should bring own drinks or somebody should bring drinks? |
| 17:57.14 | timinator | 1 sec guys.... busy right this sec |
| 17:57.26 | mgeary | well, maybe everyone brings a their own meat, a side dish, and a sixpack or 2-liter bottle of something |
| 17:57.32 | thebigdog | anyone want to hear sick/funny story |
| 17:57.41 | thebigdog | mgeary, that is cool |
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| 18:03.31 | timinator | k, calmer now.....reading.... |
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| 18:07.08 | SunSparc | Any CSS gurus here? |
| 18:08.19 | mindjuju | wps is guru, i can answer some questions |
| 18:08.56 | mindjuju | what you got sunsparc? |
| 18:09.21 | SunSparc | Well, I have this page that is using floating div's and we are seeing just disappear in IE 7 |
| 18:09.27 | SunSparc | http://www.rbl.net/resources/books-and-articles |
| 18:12.15 | wps | nice tag cloud |
| 18:12.21 | SunSparc | You like? |
| 18:12.23 | wps | no |
| 18:12.26 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 18:12.30 | wps | :) |
| 18:12.33 | wps | I hate tag clouds |
| 18:12.48 | SunSparc | Yeah, I don't use them very often |
| 18:12.56 | wps | what element of the page isn't working? |
| 18:12.57 | SunSparc | But the customer wanted one. |
| 18:13.17 | mindjuju | the entire middle under Books and Articles |
| 18:13.19 | SunSparc | On this page are two sections, Featured Books and Featured Articles |
| 18:13.30 | mindjuju | no pic of books, no book titles, all that section is gone |
| 18:13.33 | SunSparc | They are both completely blank for me in IE 7. |
| 18:13.34 | cycokilr | it'd be cool to have a flash one that had them all small to start then on mousing over each word it grew to it's max size.. then shrank back down as you moved around.. think? |
| 18:13.36 | mindjuju | only tag cloud appears |
| 18:14.06 | SunSparc | mindjuju: You seem to be seeing what I am seeing. |
| 18:15.29 | SunSparc | A couple of my co-workers and I are stumped. "Tables" was one answer, but it is a dirty solution. |
| 18:15.55 | SunSparc | Plus, I have never seen floating div's just disappear like this, even in IE. |
| 18:17.14 | mindjuju | i have once, though my prob was i was missing a </div> |
| 18:19.38 | SunSparc | That may be it, I am going through the validator right now. There were some errors. |
| 18:20.04 | mindjuju | yeah, was stepping through it too to see if i could see something real quick |
| 18:21.11 | mindjuju | hey, i noticed that you have a <span class="hr"><hr /></span> another way to skin that cat is <hr class="hr"> |
| 18:21.39 | SunSparc | Yeah, can't claim that one. :) |
| 18:27.38 | thebigdog | or dont use hr |
| 18:28.04 | SunSparc | I would prefer that. |
| 18:29.26 | mindjuju | i think hr still has some use to it. it's <marquee>That has to go</marquee> |
| 18:29.37 | wps | not that MSIE doesn't recognize styling on <hr />'s though |
| 18:29.44 | wps | note that MSIE doesn't recognize styling on <hr />'s though |
| 18:30.11 | wps | sorry I don't have time to look at the page right now… I will try in a little bit though |
| 18:30.24 | SunSparc | That is why someone wrapped it in a span here, but hr's are not allowed in span's. |
| 18:30.46 | beandog | span wrap? |
| 18:30.49 | wps | instead, I would ditch both the span and the hr |
| 18:30.53 | wps | and just use a div |
| 18:31.20 | thebigdog | time for timinator's song |
| 18:32.19 | timinator | LOL... that doesn't help |
| 18:32.21 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:33.01 | thebigdog | no |
| 18:33.09 | thebigdog | you guys on your macs |
| 18:33.13 | timinator | it's Muddy Waters |
| 18:33.15 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:34.26 | burnin | is there anything special about using inline style definitions for a <td> tag? It seems to be ignoring my width setting in Firefox. |
| 18:35.46 | burnin | hmm, even the basic width parameter seems to be ignored. |
| 18:35.54 | mindjuju | burnin, not that i know of |
| 18:36.10 | mindjuju | is the table wide enough ? |
| 18:36.25 | burnin | actually I'm trying to make it wider than needed. |
| 18:37.42 | mindjuju | i mean though, your specified width in the table is wide enough to allow for the column width you're setting in the <td> tags? |
| 18:38.05 | burnin | width=400 nor style='width: 400px' seem to do anything. |
| 18:38.11 | burnin | ah, I didn't specify a table width |
| 18:38.27 | burnin | but it may be constrainted by the css in which it resides. |
| 18:38.58 | macnewbold | does firebug have any useful info for you? |
| 18:39.10 | macnewbold | I thought it showed all the applicable CSS rules and their precendence? |
| 18:39.43 | burnin | macnewbold, I'll check... |
| 18:49.14 | burnin | hmm, editing the table in firebug does nothing either |
| 18:49.38 | burnin | I try putting a larger width in the td tag and it doesn't budge |
| 18:50.01 | mindjuju | can we look at code burnin ? |
| 18:50.32 | fungus | Another salary question for the group... |
| 18:50.49 | mindjuju | oh yeah, how is that new offer coming? |
| 18:50.50 | timinator | I've found the FireFox plugin, Web Developer, very helpful for stuff like this |
| 18:51.03 | fungus | XM offered me 50k |
| 18:51.04 | mindjuju | yeah, WD plugin rox |
| 18:51.21 | mindjuju | xm like Xmission? |
| 18:51.24 | timinator | load the page, click Information -> Display Block Size |
| 18:51.31 | fungus | I told them I accept their offer, because the cool factor is worth it. |
| 18:51.34 | fungus | yes |
| 18:51.44 | mgeary | fungus: congrats |
| 18:51.46 | mindjuju | how cool! |
| 18:51.53 | timinator | fungus: congrats man |
| 18:51.57 | fungus | When I told my boss (but I lied and said they offered 60), he conter-offered 65k |
| 18:51.59 | mgeary | fungus: so what was the question |
| 18:52.01 | mgeary | aah |
| 18:52.01 | mindjuju | now you can give everybody extra on the Utopia connection |
| 18:52.02 | burnin | http://pastebin.ca/716326 |
| 18:52.12 | burnin | table is on line 22 |
| 18:52.14 | mgeary | fungus: not surprised a bit |
| 18:52.15 | fungus | Now I am more confused. |
| 18:52.30 | fungus | The cool factor is worth a lot, but is it worth 15k??? |
| 18:52.41 | burnin | suppose I should have pasted in the main.css file as well |
| 18:52.51 | mindjuju | fungus, i'd look at coolness and long term |
| 18:52.55 | mgeary | fungus: here's the thing. you can't go to XM and expect > $65k, 'cause they're going to feel like they're being played. However... |
| 18:52.59 | mindjuju | how will the position help in the career path? |
| 18:53.01 | burnin | perhaps something is inherited that is causing my td width problem? |
| 18:53.04 | brasto | ~dict kipper |
| 18:53.28 | fungus | SOS has deep pockets, and probably has a better long-term future. |
| 18:53.46 | brasto | ~wiki kipper |
| 18:53.47 | fungus | But XM is soo cool. |
| 18:54.04 | mindjuju | k, so +1 SOS (more money) + 1 xmission (coolness) |
| 18:54.05 | fungus | I would enjoy XM more. |
| 18:54.06 | mgeary | fungus... if you'd *rather* be at XM, i think that you *would* be justified in saying, "hey, i'd really like to work with you folks, but my employer just upped my salary to X. Do you think you can work with me a bit?" |
| 18:54.26 | timinator | I agree w/ mgeary |
| 18:54.29 | mgeary | don't expect them to match, but if they go over their $50k offer, that's probably fair and reasonable |
| 18:54.41 | fungus | My boss said, he could most likely go higher still. |
| 18:54.45 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 18:54.52 | mgeary | well, at some point, money talks |
| 18:54.58 | fungus | Exactly. |
| 18:55.05 | fungus | How much is the coolness factor worth? |
| 18:55.15 | burnin | $15k/year is significant |
| 18:55.19 | mgeary | then you say, "you know, it's a little disappointing that it took this to get my salary adjusted to a more realistic level" |
| 18:55.20 | timinator | that's something you'll have to decide for youself fungus |
| 18:55.32 | SunSparc | fungus: are you single? |
| 18:55.33 | timinator | go mgeary |
| 18:55.33 | mindjuju | yeah, concur |
| 18:55.41 | burnin | $15k a year will pay a mortgage |
| 18:55.46 | fungus | Yes, single |
| 18:55.53 | burnin | $15k a year will make payments on a nice car |
| 18:55.57 | SunSparc | fungus: then coolness counts |
| 18:56.03 | timinator | $15k /yr makes a nice investment |
| 18:56.04 | burnin | $15k a year will do wonders to a 401k |
| 18:56.09 | macnewbold | really? if so, just barely, and not including tax/insurance escrow |
| 18:56.09 | mgeary | oh yeah |
| 18:56.19 | mgeary | macnewbold: agree. not a mortgage |
| 18:56.23 | mgeary | but a *nice* IRA contrib |
| 18:56.27 | SunSparc | Still, $15k is $15k. |
| 18:56.39 | fungus | Yeah that is what I am thinking. |
| 18:57.07 | mindjuju | fungus! I'm happy that you have this hard decision! 2 great choices! |
| 18:57.15 | mindjuju | you stand to win either way |
| 18:57.16 | mgeary | fungus: if i were you, i'd probably stay with SOS. Maybe you can push for some sort of performance-related bonus to sweeten it up a bit |
| 18:57.23 | fungus | Yes, thanks. |
| 18:57.24 | burnin | $1k+/month on a mortgage seems reasonable to me, then again its been 10 years since my last home purchase. |
| 18:57.45 | fungus | Especially considering I have only been working at SOS for 6 months |
| 18:57.59 | mindjuju | now fungus, you know, when ever you get a raise, you're suppose to treat out your friends |
| 18:58.07 | mindjuju | :) |
| 18:58.07 | mgeary | ..to Tucanos |
| 18:58.07 | burnin | lol |
| 18:58.08 | fungus | lol, I will. |
| 18:59.47 | burnin | rrr, I even edit the width for the td in the Layout tab for firebug and it just reverts back to 74px wide. |
| 19:00.14 | burnin | must be inheriting something |
| 19:00.39 | timinator | fungus: IF you stay w/ SOS, the next time you're looking, whether that's next month or 10 yrs, your floor will be 65k ...saying that you make 65k carries more weight than saying you have offers for 65k |
| 19:00.50 | timinator | that's something to think about too |
| 19:01.03 | fungus | ahh, true. |
| 19:01.17 | timinator | if you go w/ XM, and you run w/ 50k for a couple years, and try to move on, you'll be in the same boat as you are now |
| 19:02.00 | mgeary | fungus: one more thing, if you stay with SOS, you should be *visibly* grateful once the dust settles. It's okay to push a little now and make them feel a bit bad about not adjusting your salary upwards earlier, but make sure they feel like you're appreciative that they've been willing to work with you |
| 19:02.05 | fungus | good point |
| 19:02.27 | timinator | mgeary is right |
| 19:02.51 | fungus | thanks all. I am going to see if XM can compete at all first, but I will probably stay at SOS. |
| 19:02.55 | mgeary | no employer likes to feel like they're just a tool |
| 19:02.56 | timinator | always be grateful for what you have, and don't look back on past decisions |
| 19:03.43 | mindjuju | burnin , which column did you want to be wider? the one with first col or 2nd? |
| 19:04.12 | burnin | mindjuju, actually I want to specify the width for both, but neither is budging. |
| 19:06.01 | burnin | ok, I lose the main.css definitions and the width control problem goes away. |
| 19:06.24 | burnin | so I'll dig into the parameters I have set in there to see what is causing the problem. |
| 19:10.21 | burnin | gotta get back to work, later... |
| 19:11.53 | PoeticIntensity | gotta chime in.... fungus, congratulations... |
| 19:12.04 | PoeticIntensity | we've got some pretty intelligent people in here, for sure. |
| 19:12.13 | PoeticIntensity | I *just* got done playing the *precise* game you're playing.... |
| 19:12.19 | fungus | Thanks. I guess this kind of problem is a good thing... |
| 19:12.50 | PoeticIntensity | my old work was willing to do just about anything to keep me (within reason), and the new place was just about too good to be true. |
| 19:13.08 | mgeary | it's a good market for talented developers right now |
| 19:13.13 | PoeticIntensity | I went through 3 interviews of various levels of management asking me what it would take to keep me there. |
| 19:13.22 | mgeary | almost makes me want to become an employee, rather than be an employer ;) |
| 19:13.43 | PoeticIntensity | in the end, I told them I was flattered by their offers, but the new job was just too good. |
| 19:13.57 | PoeticIntensity | environment, culture, work load had a *lot* to do with my decision. |
| 19:14.05 | beandog | I'd sell out to any job for donuts. |
| 19:14.24 | timinator | free vending machine ++ |
| 19:14.29 | beandog | who needs money when youve got sprinkles? |
| 19:14.30 | PoeticIntensity | so..... Do what ya gotta do, but in the long run, there are many more factors to consider than just the money. |
| 19:14.40 | fungus | I come close at SOS, fridge in the next cube full of free Coke. |
| 19:14.48 | PoeticIntensity | there ya go. |
| 19:15.06 | brasto | wps, how do you invite jbot into the channel? |
| 19:15.07 | PoeticIntensity | if you *enjoy* working where you currently work, and the new place isn't going to pay you as much, I'd stick with mgeary's advice. |
| 19:15.18 | wps | he's already here |
| 19:15.19 | PoeticIntensity | Stay with SOS. |
| 19:15.19 | fungus | I am just trying to define the money number for the other factors. |
| 19:15.20 | timinator | SOS Staffing?!?! ....do you always end up working in different offices then? |
| 19:15.40 | PoeticIntensity | fungus, that's the trick..... and practically impossible to do. :) |
| 19:15.45 | fungus | No, I work at the Corporate office. |
| 19:16.05 | timinator | that's good |
| 19:16.30 | PoeticIntensity | another word of advice, if *both* of your prospective employers get the feeling they're being played by you bouncing back and forth, there's a good chance you'll end up losing. |
| 19:16.51 | PoeticIntensity | sounds like you're on the right track though. |
| 19:17.27 | PoeticIntensity | if you do tell XM about the counter-offer, be careful of any signals you give out. |
| 19:17.39 | PoeticIntensity | depends a lot on your demeanor, too... I guess... |
| 19:17.41 | PoeticIntensity | anyway.... |
| 19:17.57 | fungus | heh, no don't stop. Thanks a lot. |
| 19:17.59 | PoeticIntensity | bottom-line - if you play the game right, you'll win no matter what, but ya gotta make sure you're careful. |
| 19:18.27 | PoeticIntensity | don't stretch SOS's graciousness too far, if you do at all. |
| 19:19.35 | PoeticIntensity | When I was in your shoes about 3 months ago, I took the original offer from the people wanting to hire me.... even though the company I was working for counter-offered higher. |
| 19:20.00 | PoeticIntensity | but... My reasons were.... uhh.... a bit different. |
| 19:20.26 | fungus | I was going to do that, but the counter-offer was higher than I imagined. |
| 19:20.26 | PoeticIntensity | Don't mean to get all spiritual or anything, but I believe prayer had a lot to do with my decision. |
| 19:20.34 | PoeticIntensity | fungus, that counter-offer is insane. |
| 19:20.35 | brasto | wps, how did you get him here when you first started the #uphpu channel? If it came when you first set it up, how did you set it up? |
| 19:20.38 | PoeticIntensity | 15K is a LOT. |
| 19:20.53 | brasto | 15k is not a lot of memory... |
| 19:21.01 | wps | you have to contact Tim (the author) directly and he will send the bot |
| 19:21.17 | PoeticIntensity | so.... ...... I guess just take the advice ya wanna take, and go WIN! |
| 19:21.23 | brasto | ah... ok... that's what they meant on #utah then... |
| 19:21.26 | fungus | cool, thx |
| 19:21.41 | PoeticIntensity | It's a tough place to be in, but ultimately, you'll end up in a better place, either staying where you are, or taking the funner,cooler job. |
| 19:21.48 | brasto | is fungus running a 15K? |
| 19:22.25 | fungus | Yeah, that's my new chip I just put in. :P |
| 19:23.31 | timinator | 15ks are fine.... I had one in my last laptop |
| 19:23.32 | wps | his nick is TimRiker |
| 19:24.13 | brasto | I was going to say, if you run 15k, you may need to cut that hair down to a more aerodynamic look so you don't get too tired with that extra pound of hair... |
| 19:24.24 | wps | pic? |
| 19:24.24 | brasto | clarification: |
| 19:24.40 | fungus | TMI, TMI |
| 19:24.44 | brasto | lol |
| 19:24.49 | wps | yeah, I think that that was understood |
| 19:25.20 | timinator | LOL brasto |
| 19:25.44 | mgeary | ~kneepit bradym |
| 19:25.45 | jbot | ACTION whispers conspiratorially, "psst! I heard that bradym shaves his kneepits" |
| 19:25.50 | mgeary | darn |
| 19:25.52 | mgeary | ~kneepit brasto |
| 19:25.53 | jbot | ACTION whispers conspiratorially, "psst! I heard that brasto shaves his kneepits" |
| 19:26.19 | mindjuju | is it possible to get hair in your knee pits? |
| 19:26.28 | mindjuju | i doubt even the wolfman has hair in his kneepits |
| 19:27.15 | herlo | mindjuju: I've got hair in my kneepits |
| 19:27.32 | mindjuju | yeah, but you lived under powerlines and glow in the dark |
| 19:28.00 | mindjuju | jk, are you sure you have hair in your kneepits? |
| 19:28.17 | wps | you probably have hair toenuckles too |
| 19:28.23 | wps | you probably have hairy toenuckles too |
| 19:29.18 | timinator | you know, it's very rare to grow hair on your kneecaps, and yet I know someone who has hair there |
| 19:29.18 | herlo | wps: yup, I do |
| 19:29.30 | herlo | brasto: you know me too |
| 19:29.52 | wps | alright… we're done |
| 19:29.54 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> something else |
| 19:30.02 | timinator | wps: LOLOL |
| 19:31.08 | wps | he mentioned earlier that he wanted to see something naked |
| 19:31.19 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 19:34.21 | timinator | hmmm.... try that again |
| 19:34.39 | mindjuju | well, he's already been pants, and he said he was running around commando today |
| 19:35.16 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> UPHPU | shirts and pants required |
| 19:35.58 | timinator | hehe |
| 19:37.05 | herlo | ~hairy mindjuju |
| 19:47.09 | cole_joplin | hey, I just ate |
| 19:48.22 | mgeary | wps: as a payer, or payee? |
| 19:48.28 | wps | payee |
| 19:49.06 | wps | I understand that it's easier for large corporations to just cut checks once a month, but it sucks when you are on the receiving end |
| 19:49.09 | mgeary | no personal comment intended on wps |
| 19:49.14 | wps | none taken |
| 19:50.16 | mindjuju | macnewbold or thebigdog , either of you around? |
| 19:50.37 | herlo | I'm here |
| 19:50.46 | mindjuju | k, so here is my question |
| 19:51.01 | PoeticIntensity | this is insanely late, but mgeary where in the world did you hear about the "naked mole rat" ? |
| 19:51.23 | wps | this is such a good song |
| 19:51.28 | mindjuju | there isn't a performance increase by using a view as opposed to a SQL statement |
| 19:51.46 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: i wanted one for a pet when i was in high school |
| 19:51.50 | mindjuju | mgeary has toGreek(naked mole rat) phobia |
| 19:51.59 | PoeticIntensity | in-SANE |
| 19:52.07 | PoeticIntensity | that is *by far* the ugliest animal I have ever seen. |
| 19:52.31 | mgeary | mindjuju: Zemmiphobia |
| 19:52.38 | mindjuju | yup, that's it |
| 19:52.45 | wps | ooo… I just received some pictures and it came in one of those fancy Microsoft packages |
| 19:52.50 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: there can be a performance hit with using a view |
| 19:52.55 | mgeary | though i will point out that in Zemmiphobia, the mole rat doesn't necessarily need to be naked |
| 19:53.07 | mindjuju | @ utah_dave, that's whati was thinking |
| 19:53.11 | Utah_Dave | it depends on how the view is put together. Doing calculations, joins, etc can slow it down |
| 19:53.14 | PoeticIntensity | Zemmiphobia? |
| 19:53.25 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=2082:1932 |
| 19:53.40 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow. |
| 19:53.42 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 19:53.51 | mindjuju | utah_dave , i have these numbers that I need to have done per client, per day |
| 19:54.05 | mindjuju | i was thinking a view would be nice and handy, but the more i thought about it, it doesn't seem that way |
| 19:54.08 | mindjuju | seems like a loss |
| 19:54.24 | mindjuju | so, i think instead i'll build an aggregates table to run the comps and store them in |
| 19:54.37 | mindjuju | and everyday just update the aggregates table |
| 19:54.47 | mindjuju | what do you think? |
| 19:54.50 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: that's called a "Materialized View" |
| 19:54.55 | Utah_Dave | I do that |
| 19:54.59 | mindjuju | yeah, but i'm not in Oracle |
| 19:55.00 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, I *cannot* believe this! |
| 19:55.06 | PoeticIntensity | I didn't even know a mole rat existed! |
| 19:55.12 | mindjuju | i'm using SQL 2k5 and it doesn't have materialized views, AFAIK |
| 19:55.15 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: it's a wide, wide world out there |
| 19:55.15 | Utah_Dave | We have a batch job run every night and update a table |
| 19:55.18 | PoeticIntensity | Zemmiphobia? a "common" phobia?? |
| 19:55.34 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 19:55.45 | PoeticIntensity | I've gotta blog about this. |
| 19:55.49 | Utah_Dave | Hmm, as far as I know, a materialized view is just a regular table that gets batch updated on a regular interval |
| 19:56.00 | Utah_Dave | but I'm no, thebigdog |
| 19:56.22 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: you're right |
| 19:56.43 | dataw0lf | efficiency versus accuracy |
| 19:59.00 | mindjuju | yeah, ms sql 2k5 doesn't have materialized view |
| 19:59.10 | mindjuju | so, aggregate table and a cron job to update nightly |
| 20:09.18 | herlo | mindjuju: so we're not doing Tucano's? |
| 20:10.01 | wps | it's just a draft spec, like 802.11n |
| 20:10.05 | wps | it's not official yet |
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| 20:17.18 | macnewbold | mindjuju: sorry for the delayed reply - I'm around too, reading the backlog about kneepits |
| 20:17.55 | macnewbold | I think most of the time you're more likely to see a performance hit when you use a view, but benchmark it if it matters a lot |
| 20:18.51 | macnewbold | I like Utah_Dave's suggestion too |
| 20:19.10 | macnewbold | that would likely be a performance gain, since it's basically a cache, if you can handle the delayed updates |
| 20:21.33 | brasto | ~wiki zemmiphobia |
| 20:21.57 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. yeah... mgeary gave a link to this horrid picture.... out of the blue. |
| 20:22.02 | PoeticIntensity | I took it and inquired. |
| 20:22.03 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:22.11 | mgeary | horrid?? |
| 20:22.16 | mgeary | it's cute |
| 20:22.29 | mgeary | besides, thebigdog said he wanted to see something naked |
| 20:22.38 | PoeticIntensity | freakin' ugliest animal I've ever seen...... |
| 20:22.52 | PoeticIntensity | More freaky looking than I could probably ever imagine, too. |
| 20:23.06 | PoeticIntensity | I mean... the teeth are on the OUTSIDE of its mouth! |
| 20:23.30 | PoeticIntensity | that's the perfect combination of ugliness factors I've ever seen. |
| 20:23.34 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:23.54 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah... that's right, mgeary .... thebigdog did mention that, didn't he... |
| 20:23.59 | PoeticIntensity | makes sense now. |
| 20:39.13 | brasto | that's ugly... |
| 20:48.23 | mgeary | not as ugly as this: |
| 20:48.23 | mgeary | http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2005/11/22/314319/SamUgliestDogLulu.jpg |
| 20:48.54 | mindjuju | AH! zombieDog! |
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| 21:12.41 | dataw0lf | the zombie dog wasn't fake |
| 21:13.05 | mindjuju | zombieDog! |
| 21:13.11 | PoeticIntensity | that poor thing has to be in pain. |
| 21:15.35 | SunSparc | FYI, many of the CSS problems in IE on that page I posted earlier seemed to stem from position attributes. |
| 21:16.40 | SunSparc | http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/uglydog.asp |
| 21:18.12 | mindjuju | poor sam died in 2k5 |
| 21:41.53 | wps | eek |
| 21:41.58 | wps | that does is a freak of nature |
| 21:42.07 | wps | something went terribly wrong there |
| 21:42.19 | wps | s/does/dog's/ |
| 21:43.06 | wps | those taste like sawdust |
| 21:43.32 | mgeary | me wonders how much sawdust wps eats |
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| 21:59.39 | wps | my one year old has a book titled "Touch and Feel Farm" |
| 21:59.43 | wps | doesn't that sound like a porno? |
| 21:59.53 | wps | makes me chuckle each time I walk past it lying on the floor |
| 22:00.29 | wps | and forget Pepto, I fixed that heart burn with a second brownie |
| 22:11.23 | brasto | cole_joplin, here's a question for you to defend on the flash side: I wonder how one can SEO a website that is mostly or all flash - there's no text - it's all an image... |
| 22:11.41 | brasto | Consider my client's website: http://delta7sports.com |
| 22:12.00 | brasto | They've done some cool stuff, but it's flash, and they want SEO, too... |
| 22:13.03 | brasto | macnewbold, have you done any sites in flash? |
| 22:14.09 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a question about simple HTML - browser cross-compatibility.... |
| 22:14.14 | _psychic_ | are you wondering how to make Flash SEO friendly? |
| 22:14.18 | PoeticIntensity | concerning the <label> tag... |
| 22:14.53 | PoeticIntensity | how do I make an entire row (background and text on the foreground) a label for an ID? |
| 22:15.16 | PoeticIntensity | I tried doing a <label><tr><td></td></tr></label> thing... works like a charm in IE, but not in Firefox... |
| 22:15.30 | PoeticIntensity | I also tried putting it outside the <td> tags.... |
| 22:15.32 | PoeticIntensity | no dice. |
| 22:15.35 | _psychic_ | why would you want to do that? |
| 22:15.42 | _psychic_ | (wrap it around other elements) |
| 22:15.58 | PoeticIntensity | because I want I want an entire row to be clickable, and check / uncheck a checkbox at the beginning of the row. |
| 22:16.18 | PoeticIntensity | both background and foreground... |
| 22:16.31 | PoeticIntensity | example: PHPMyAdmin does it in all browsers... |
| 22:16.35 | PoeticIntensity | their code reveals nothing. |
| 22:16.37 | PoeticIntensity | :-T |
| 22:16.49 | _psychic_ | it's done with JS I'd imagine |
| 22:17.03 | PoeticIntensity | just wondering if there's an easy way to do it with <label> |
| 22:17.12 | PoeticIntensity | kinda funny it works in IE, and not in Firefox... |
| 22:17.17 | _psychic_ | the way you want to do it is semantically problematic |
| 22:17.19 | PoeticIntensity | must not be standards compliant... :) |
| 22:17.33 | _psychic_ | IE cares nothing about semantics, maybe that's why :) |
| 22:17.37 | PoeticIntensity | most likely... |
| 22:17.48 | PoeticIntensity | I think I can fanagle it with JS. |
| 22:18.10 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... maybe using a div... |
| 22:18.15 | _psychic_ | Event.observe() on the row |
| 22:18.21 | _psychic_ | that's prototype |
| 22:18.26 | _psychic_ | would be kinda simple |
| 22:21.32 | orsonj | I think prototype is the js library |
| 22:22.31 | Utah_Dave | PoeticIntensity: jQuery is great for that sort of thing |
| 22:23.35 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: prototype is a library you can use, not a JS technique |
| 22:23.44 | _psychic_ | and it's better than jQuery ;) |
| 22:23.57 | _psychic_ | (imnsho) |
| 22:24.18 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... ah. |
| 22:24.34 | PoeticIntensity | Personally, I think using a whole library for such a simple function would be a bit bloated... |
| 22:24.35 | cycokilr | wow, compiz on suse has gotten way more stable than the days of old.. and that compiz fusion easily beats the crap out of the OSX interface.. |
| 22:24.58 | _psychic_ | eye candy != usability |
| 22:25.16 | PoeticIntensity | but it doesn't necessarily inhibit it, either. |
| 22:25.30 | cycokilr | nah, i would have agreed in some of the older versions.. |
| 22:25.43 | cycokilr | but this is totally stable.. i haven't had a problem at all on suse 10.2 with either.. |
| 22:25.53 | _psychic_ | not necessarily, but it sure can inhibit - think about how much flash has killed web usability |
| 22:25.54 | Utah_Dave | jQuery is very small and fast and has a ton of great functionality. Easy to learn |
| 22:26.15 | _psychic_ | jQuery presents a programming technique I disagree with fundamentally |
| 22:26.49 | Utah_Dave | how's that, _psychic_? |
| 22:27.21 | _psychic_ | it().likesTo(chain).lotsOfThings().together().which(makes.things()).unreadable().andHard(to).change() |
| 22:27.31 | _psychic_ | if you don't chain much |
| 22:27.40 | _psychic_ | which is kinda swimming up river in jQuery land |
| 22:27.50 | _psychic_ | then its no better or worse than proto, imho |
| 22:28.11 | Utah_Dave | I've heard people complain about the chaining, but I really like it |
| 22:28.28 | Utah_Dave | It takes 15 lines of code into 3 or 4 pretty lines |
| 22:28.29 | _psychic_ | I think it'll bite you down the road |
| 22:28.32 | Utah_Dave | I think it's more readable |
| 22:28.46 | cycokilr | it all depends on what you're used to.. |
| 22:28.53 | _psychic_ | I disagree |
| 22:28.55 | Utah_Dave | well, I can see your point, but it has worked out great for me so far |
| 22:28.58 | _psychic_ | but thats fine |
| 22:29.11 | _psychic_ | to me its like peeing your pants in the winter |
| 22:29.16 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 22:35.03 | Utah_Dave | well, later everyone. I'm heading home |
| 22:35.22 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: I'll try to make sure my pants are dry :) |
| 22:35.41 | _psychic_ | no worries there with you |
| 22:35.58 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 22:36.16 | _psychic_ | I think jQuery leans the wrong way |
| 22:36.23 | PoeticIntensity | I guess I just like writing my own scripts when they're only needed for one or two pages. |
| 22:36.33 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@72-166-51-162.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 22:36.37 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: I'd agree |
| 22:36.37 | PoeticIntensity | did what I needed to in 3 lines of code (which probably could have been done in two, but I'm lazy) |
| 22:43.04 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:43.10 | beandog | can I set robots.txt to ignore a file extension? |
| 22:44.29 | macnewbold | I'm not sure |
| 22:45.12 | wps | Foo Fighters grate against my nerves most of the time |
| 22:45.18 | _psychic_ | I think the spec says that disallows are just URLs |
| 22:47.10 | bradym | " Note also that regular expression are not supported in either the User-agent or Disallow lines. The '*' in the User-agent field is a special value meaning "any robot". Specifically, you cannot have lines like "Disallow: /tmp/*" or "Disallow: *.gif". " |
| 22:47.14 | bradym | http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/exclusion-admin.html |
| 22:49.55 | beandog | bradym, thx |
| 22:49.59 | beandog | that stinks |
| 22:50.09 | beandog | although |
| 22:50.11 | beandog | Hmm |
| 22:50.22 | _psychic_ | wonder if Apache could be tuned to deny a given user agent certain mime types |
| 22:51.18 | bradym | probably.. i'm always amazed at the stuff you can get apache to do :) |
| 22:52.21 | _psychic_ | I wonder if there's a HaltUSInflation directive... |
| 22:52.26 | cycokilr | a good case for keeping your images in a folder and out of the web root.. |
| 22:52.36 | beandog | _psychic_, well the idea I had is you could make robots.txt a dymanic file, and serve up different stuff to diffrent bots. |
| 22:52.44 | _psychic_ | cycokilr: ones you wanna protect, for sure |
| 22:53.09 | _psychic_ | beandog: what for? |
| 22:53.16 | beandog | _psychic_, I have no idea. |
| 22:53.27 | beandog | I just get cool ideas, not the reasons you wanna use em. |
| 22:53.35 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 22:53.45 | beandog | use gentoo! what was the question? |
| 22:53.54 | _psychic_ | you could do it to take advantage of features some bots offer without breaking others |
| 22:53.57 | beandog | :) |
| 22:54.02 | _psychic_ | like Sitemap: etc, |
| 22:54.09 | beandog | I just want the bots to ignore my fcgi stuff |
| 22:54.23 | beandog | but then I realized theres only two fcgi scripts anyway, so adding those two is trivial anyway. |
| 23:00.56 | *** part/#uphpu brasto (n=brasto@out.lnxi.com) |
| 23:06.16 | cole_joplin | Any Ruby zealots out there? |
| 23:06.34 | SunSparc | beandog: have you noticed bots messing with your fcgi stuff? |
| 23:06.39 | cole_joplin | I noticed that someone has created an AMF server/Rails plugin |
| 23:06.54 | cole_joplin | open source |
| 23:08.01 | beandog | SunSparc, no, not really |
| 23:08.12 | beandog | but when my server spikes, its usually fcgi stuff getting pounded |
| 23:08.17 | beandog | I probably need to upgrade the apache mod |
| 23:08.23 | beandog | but this is a small stop-gap measure as well |
| 23:08.28 | beandog | assuming the bots are gonna actually ignore them |
| 23:08.55 | SunSparc | Do you have links to them then? |
| 23:09.36 | mgeary | later folks |
| 23:09.37 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:09.52 | beandog | SunSparc, yah |
| 23:09.59 | beandog | /cgi-bin/ should get it |
| 23:19.40 | timinator | later guys |
| 23:35.57 | *** part/#uphpu cole_joplin (n=cjoplin@gw.helius.com) |
| 23:36.56 | SunSparc | Later |
