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| 00:05.12 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 04:08.44 | beandog | we got any xml experts around |
| 04:09.28 | tierra | XSLT would count on the other hand |
| 04:10.49 | beandog | tierra: are you good at that stuff? |
| 04:11.02 | beandog | I just need to know if my export needs cleaning up at all |
| 04:11.15 | tierra | not that good unfortunately |
| 04:11.16 | tierra | heh |
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| 15:07.36 | mindjuju | morning all |
| 15:08.03 | brasto | mornin' mindjuju |
| 15:08.24 | brasto | I left the computer skeleton that I won at Billgood... |
| 15:08.35 | mindjuju | i wondered who left it |
| 15:08.45 | mindjuju | i have it back in my office in case anybody claimed it |
| 15:08.50 | mindjuju | was going to pitch by Friday |
| 15:08.52 | mindjuju | you want it? |
| 15:09.00 | mindjuju | that's the one with the p4 chip |
| 15:09.04 | mindjuju | where the others had p3 |
| 15:09.08 | brasto | yep |
| 15:09.35 | mindjuju | k, in that case i'll hold it |
| 15:09.40 | brasto | even if I don't use it, I know some people I can give it to |
| 15:09.48 | brasto | with the missing parts added |
| 15:10.07 | mindjuju | yeah, would make a good starter computer |
| 15:10.22 | mindjuju | or a LAMP test place to sling code around |
| 15:10.43 | mindjuju | though in thebigdog 's world, it'd be LAPP |
| 15:12.41 | brasto | lol, true on both counts |
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| 15:13.15 | thebigdog | its all about the lapp or latpp |
| 15:14.06 | mindjuju | Linux Apache Tacos PostgreSQL PHP? |
| 15:14.12 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 15:14.18 | mindjuju | Tacos rule |
| 15:15.13 | mindjuju | k, so here is a question |
| 15:15.25 | thebigdog | k |
| 15:15.50 | mindjuju | if I have a document that is unique and has it's own ID |
| 15:16.14 | mindjuju | and that document has been approved by several companies, each with a unique approvalID |
| 15:16.49 | mgeary | ...and they pass a train going south at 75 miles per hour |
| 15:17.05 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 15:18.02 | mindjuju | k, nm, i think i got it, the answer is no |
| 15:18.34 | mgeary | what was the question? |
| 15:19.01 | mindjuju | well, it's pretty off the wall weird, but here is the deal. Let's use shakespear to explain |
| 15:19.12 | mindjuju | let's say that you have the full library of Shakespear books |
| 15:19.33 | brasto | cool! |
| 15:19.37 | mindjuju | and that for each book, you have several versions |
| 15:19.52 | mindjuju | the oxford version of Henry V, and the Cambridge version of Henry V |
| 15:20.03 | mindjuju | and the Harvard version of Henry V |
| 15:20.11 | mindjuju | as they do in real life |
| 15:20.33 | mindjuju | k, so you put a unique identifier on the individual books in the library |
| 15:20.46 | mindjuju | to distininguish between Henry V and romeo and juliet |
| 15:21.02 | mindjuju | and then you put a unique identifier between the versions of the book |
| 15:21.28 | mindjuju | so, the question is, when tracking how many books were sold |
| 15:21.40 | mindjuju | do you need to track the book ID or just the variant id |
| 15:21.50 | mindjuju | where the variant id is uniquely connected to a book |
| 15:21.58 | mindjuju | so that could be resolved with a simple join |
| 15:22.29 | mindjuju | so, methinks the answer is no, don't store book id, store variant id |
| 15:22.58 | mindjuju | make sense or is it too early to be asking? |
| 15:24.15 | thebigdog | mindjuju, books already have the isbn that you can use |
| 15:24.44 | mindjuju | true that, but books is just an example, though accurately describes my situation |
| 15:24.58 | mindjuju | just picked books as it was easier to provide real world examples |
| 15:25.14 | thebigdog | each item should have a unique identifier |
| 15:25.27 | mgeary | i agree |
| 15:25.38 | thebigdog | now we use a unique identifier that is comprised of parts |
| 15:25.46 | thebigdog | meaning we can break it up and know what it is |
| 15:25.58 | thebigdog | chars 0-3 are the type...esc |
| 15:25.58 | mgeary | i think you should consider having a "book" entry for the Harvard edition of Henry V, and one for the Cambridge version |
| 15:26.23 | thebigdog | well you will probably want additional info with that too |
| 15:26.29 | mgeary | right |
| 15:26.40 | thebigdog | so by having the uid you can then join to other data |
| 15:26.47 | thebigdog | providing normalization to the db |
| 15:27.02 | thebigdog | or in this case you could actually use a guid |
| 15:27.06 | thebigdog | if all be told |
| 15:28.54 | mindjuju | k, so you're saying that instead of issuing each book an ID and each variant of book a separate ID, give each a unique ID to start and just go from there? |
| 15:29.17 | thebigdog | well i would make each book have a ui |
| 15:29.20 | thebigdog | well i would make each book have a uid |
| 15:29.39 | thebigdog | now how you relate it to other items is up too you |
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| 15:30.02 | thebigdog | so you could say all henry V books start with 00012345 |
| 15:30.44 | brasto | cool analogy |
| 15:30.46 | mindjuju | and then it's variant is some decimal afterward? |
| 15:31.01 | thebigdog | mindjuju, soemthing like that |
| 15:31.06 | thebigdog | i would not use a decimal though |
| 15:31.19 | thebigdog | but yeah |
| 15:31.37 | PoeticIntensity | would it be a bad idea to have two columns, instead of more numbers on the end of the uid? |
| 15:31.47 | PoeticIntensity | like... the uid (unique) and vid (variant)....? |
| 15:31.51 | thebigdog | two columns means more space |
| 15:31.54 | PoeticIntensity | possibly two tables.....? |
| 15:32.03 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 15:32.13 | thebigdog | just use a bigger data type |
| 15:32.19 | thebigdog | and that will still save you space |
| 15:32.53 | mindjuju | hmm... got too caught up in cleaning up the database that I didn't see that, but i see where you're going with that |
| 15:33.22 | thebigdog | just try to make it as simple as possible |
| 15:34.02 | mindjuju | where complex will have performance penalty |
| 15:37.05 | thebigdog | and will kill you in the refactoring |
| 15:37.21 | thebigdog | no utah_dave to day |
| 15:37.40 | thebigdog | wps you guys doing voip in your office? |
| 15:37.55 | wps | we were at my last job, but not here at Omniture |
| 15:37.59 | wps | we're using ShortTel |
| 15:38.48 | thebigdog | at your last job who was your provider? |
| 15:39.08 | wps | jsmith |
| 15:41.33 | wps | jsmith set it all up |
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| 15:44.28 | PoeticIntensity | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/24/2339203 |
| 15:44.32 | PoeticIntensity | gotta love it. |
| 15:44.39 | PoeticIntensity | pretty major excel bug. |
| 15:49.21 | mindjuju | k, macnewbold was right, the day microsoft stops sucking is the day they make vacuum cleaners |
| 15:49.45 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:52.28 | Utah_Dave | ~thesuck microsoft |
| 15:52.29 | jbot | ACTION (microsoft is teh suck!) |
| 15:52.47 | PoeticIntensity | I'm just sittin' here scratching my head.... That is a freakin' crazy bug. |
| 15:53.16 | PoeticIntensity | imagine if you're running your entire company's reports via Excel, in a multi-sheet, function-rich spreadsheet..... |
| 15:53.18 | PoeticIntensity | and you hit this bug. |
| 15:53.30 | wps | I couldn't have said it better: http://www.jeremyhanks.com/2007/09/25/job-security/ |
| 15:53.33 | PoeticIntensity | likely that you wouldn't even notice... and your numbers would be *COMPLETELY* foobed. |
| 15:53.47 | wps | (a local entrepreneur blogger on unions) |
| 15:55.28 | cycokilr | sheesh man, i've been saying the labor unions have reached their usefulness for a few years now.. |
| 15:55.37 | cycokilr | i'm with that guy too.. |
| 15:55.40 | wps | were they ever useful? |
| 15:55.46 | PoeticIntensity | YES. |
| 15:55.48 | cycokilr | there was a time that they wree.. |
| 15:55.50 | PoeticIntensity | they *were* |
| 15:55.51 | cycokilr | were even.. |
| 15:55.54 | cycokilr | they helped a lot.. |
| 15:56.03 | PoeticIntensity | but I'm with you.... they should now retire. |
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| 16:03.04 | wps | asians eat weird stuff |
| 16:03.06 | wps | canned bread? |
| 16:03.06 | wps | http://www.core77.com/blog/object_culture/japanese_bakers_have_a_cando_attitude_7550.asp |
| 16:03.34 | mgeary | you think that's weird.... |
| 16:03.36 | mgeary | http://ask.yahoo.com/20011114.html |
| 16:03.46 | mindjuju | is that the funniest thing? Sure am glad they are living the Kyoto treaty by putting one muffin in an aluminum can |
| 16:03.49 | mgeary | better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg |
| 16:05.43 | wps | yuck |
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| 16:05.54 | SunSparc | Weird |
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| 16:06.16 | SunSparc | Almost and weird as Balut: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut |
| 16:06.27 | SunSparc | Which I actually tried while in the Philippines. |
| 16:07.03 | SunSparc | My gag reflexes made it hard to actually get it into my stomach. |
| 16:08.52 | mindjuju | wow, thats... <speechless> |
| 16:09.18 | mindjuju | i've eaten so weird stuff in China, but never saw that |
| 16:11.12 | fungus | OMG, eating aborted fetuses? That is just nasty. |
| 16:11.22 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 16:11.25 | SunSparc | no kidding |
| 16:11.42 | SunSparc | But many people dig it. Raises their fertility |
| 16:11.49 | SunSparc | Some eat several a day |
| 16:12.27 | mindjuju | yeah, that's one BIG problem China has. Fertility rate |
| 16:12.33 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:13.43 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 16:14.00 | fungus | What, fertility too high, or too low? |
| 16:14.16 | mindjuju | too high |
| 16:14.26 | fungus | Ok, that is what I was thinking. |
| 16:14.47 | fungus | I just worried that they might be like Catholics. :) |
| 16:14.56 | mindjuju | but yeah, the funniest thing i ever noted about the Chinese |
| 16:15.36 | mindjuju | is that EVERY (and i mean literally, out of all the conversation with Chinese men that i ever had), EVERY conversation eventually turned to Phizer and viagra |
| 16:16.11 | mindjuju | my wife loves that skit, we have it at home on a VHS |
| 16:16.18 | Utah_Dave | I gotta get me one of these bumper stickers: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=306221&cid=20738919 |
| 16:19.29 | wps | every sperm is sacred? |
| 16:19.34 | wps | a skit? |
| 16:20.26 | mindjuju | it's a monty python thing |
| 16:21.12 | timinator | Utah_Dave: I want one of those too |
| 16:22.33 | SunSparc | I don't need that bumper sticker. My simple white Apple sticker says much more with fewer words. |
| 16:22.45 | dataw0lf | oh, it sure does |
| 16:22.52 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:23.07 | SunSparc | Keep it down there in the peanut gallery |
| 16:26.29 | PoeticIntensity | how's life dataw0lf ? Glad to see you could make it today... :) |
| 16:26.45 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 16:29.46 | mgeary | dataw0lf: how's the gut? |
| 16:30.12 | dataw0lf | life is pretty good, my friends, life is pretty good. |
| 16:30.27 | dataw0lf | mgeary: it's ok, I'm doing pretty well. Thanks for asking. |
| 16:31.17 | mgeary | i'm sure you all wanted to know that |
| 16:31.39 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:31.51 | PoeticIntensity | ain't nothing like pride in passin' gas. |
| 16:32.20 | _psychic_ | too much information |
| 16:32.40 | mgeary | nothing like talking about surgeries to dampen a lively conversation |
| 16:37.25 | mgeary | i've also learned never to ask why someone is in the hospital or had surgery. You can ask how they're doing, but don't pry for details. Only take what's offered. |
| 16:41.44 | unum | When I was in high school I had an infection in my neck the day before a long weekend I missed the first two days back and when people asked why I told them I had had surgery |
| 16:41.54 | unum | most people assumed it was on my neck and I let them do so |
| 16:42.00 | unum | (it wasn't) |
| 16:44.39 | mgeary | heheheh |
| 16:45.29 | brasto | That makes 2 places you don't ask the question "what are you in here for?" |
| 16:45.33 | brasto | hospitals and prisons... |
| 16:46.02 | mindjuju | after taking the hormonies |
| 16:46.54 | brasto | hermione? She's in the Harry Potter movies, right? ;) |
| 16:48.06 | mindjuju | My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Aunt Voula finds her twin in the back of her neck after she starts menopause and starts taking "the hormonies" |
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| 16:52.26 | timinator | w/ teeth and a spine |
| 16:52.29 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:52.43 | mindjuju | :) for a second there, i was afraid i was only one who saw the movie |
| 16:52.46 | timinator | "It's okay, I cook lamb" |
| 16:53.01 | mindjuju | What do you mean, you don't eat no meat?? |
| 16:54.56 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:55.04 | timinator | I loved that show |
| 16:55.30 | timinator | Ogden will be having a Greek Festival next weekend (I think) |
| 16:55.53 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:56.01 | mindjuju | that would be fun to go to |
| 17:00.55 | wps | did anyone receive the uphpu-announce message about the UPHPU LinkedIn Group? |
| 17:02.11 | wps | I figured out why I never received Roberto's posts to the CDBaby thread the other day :) |
| 17:02.20 | wps | they were in the spam folder |
| 17:02.21 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 17:03.55 | wps | ah-hah |
| 17:04.01 | wps | there it is (the announce email) |
| 17:04.49 | brasto | lol, wps, that's the right place for Roberto's posts |
| 17:07.20 | brasto | herlo, are you going to allow UOS members to show the logo to non-members? |
| 17:07.40 | wps | please say yes… please say yes… |
| 17:08.00 | PoeticIntensity | UOS? There's a UOS mailing list / group? |
| 17:08.21 | wps | all the cool people are members |
| 17:08.30 | PoeticIntensity | oh... then ... nevermind. |
| 17:26.18 | brasto | PoeticIntensity - there's a UOS LinkedIn group. |
| 17:26.36 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 17:27.14 | brasto | but the UOS group does not have an option to show the logo to non members who view my profile like PLUG now does. |
| 17:27.20 | brasto | ~wake herlo |
| 17:27.20 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on herlo and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 17:31.30 | brasto | wps, did you approve my request to be in the LinkedIn UPHPU group? |
| 17:31.57 | brasto | I got an email saying it's been approved, but instead of it showing up in my groups, it vanished... |
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| 17:42.53 | fungus | Is LinkedIn really worth the effort of joining? |
| 17:43.26 | timinator | I've had an account for years, and have seen little benifit |
| 17:49.26 | herlo | brasto: pong |
| 17:54.47 | brasto | hi herlo |
| 17:55.32 | herlo | brasto: hehe |
| 17:55.46 | herlo | brasto: not sure what you are asking with your question |
| 17:55.53 | herlo | 11:07 <+brasto> herlo, are you going to allow UOS members to show the logo to non-members? |
| 17:57.52 | brasto | it's a linkedin thing |
| 17:58.30 | macnewbold | Join the UPHPU group with this link: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/25209/46099C1DE7D1 |
| 17:58.34 | brasto | look for the email from ryane about displaying the plug logo in your linked in profile |
| 17:59.27 | brasto | is this a bug or a feature? |
| 17:59.33 | brasto | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1197/1045336659_e2c01251c6.jpg?v=0 |
| 17:59.56 | brasto | note about email from ryane was for herlo |
| 18:01.35 | herlo | brasto: oh |
| 18:02.09 | herlo | brasto: I don't know how to do that, but I'll look into it |
| 18:02.15 | brasto | k |
| 18:03.15 | herlo | brasto: I'll look for ryane's email. |
| 18:04.53 | brasto | herlo: http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2007-September/027566.html |
| 18:07.02 | herlo | brasto: done! |
| 18:07.06 | herlo | brasto: thanks |
| 18:08.06 | brasto | herlo: yw |
| 18:08.47 | brasto | wps: it's done |
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| 18:37.04 | brasto | funny thing about LinkedIn: I don't want recommendations for former jobs, I don't want to work at any of them any more... |
| 18:37.29 | brasto | and... I don't need a recommendation for a position where I work... After all, I'm already working there... |
| 18:37.52 | brasto | does anyone use LinkedIn recommendations? Why? |
| 18:40.10 | brasto | brastolook brasto |
| 18:40.18 | brasto | doh! |
| 18:40.24 | brasto | ~brastolook brasto |
| 18:40.25 | jbot | ACTION looks at wps, thebigdog, mindjuju, macnewbold, and fungus, thinking surely one of them knows the answer to brasto's question... |
| 18:41.02 | fungus | I don't even have an account. |
| 18:41.04 | brasto | I need to add Utah_Dave to my brastolook def |
| 18:41.31 | brasto | that's right, you were looking for reasons to even get one earlier, right fungus? |
| 18:42.06 | brasto | personally, I'm looking for reasons to join facebook - it seems inferior... |
| 18:42.22 | fungus | Facebook has a different purpose though. |
| 18:42.37 | brasto | what's the facebook purpose? |
| 18:43.13 | fungus | A better, less ugly, less noisy, less emo, myspace |
| 18:43.32 | brasto | ~emo |
| 18:43.45 | brasto | ~dict emo |
| 18:43.47 | fungus | LinkedIn, AFAIK is just a contact connecting app |
| 18:44.13 | fungus | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emo |
| 18:45.12 | brasto | lol - sounds like Bill and Ted |
| 18:45.28 | fungus | No, absolutely not |
| 18:45.41 | fungus | Read definition #2. Bill and Ted were happy. |
| 18:46.10 | brasto | true, and in def 1 they never smile, but Bill and Ted, again, were happy |
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| 19:51.19 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 19:51.19 | jbot | plops gibba[w] into a giant vat of herring |
| 19:51.41 | SunSparc | Are the herring alive or dead? |
| 19:51.46 | gibba[w] | to quote the (not so)immortal darth vader .... |
| 19:51.54 | gibba[w] | "NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" |
| 19:52.08 | SunSparc | When did Vader say that? |
| 19:52.20 | SunSparc | I think that was Luke. |
| 19:52.39 | gibba[w] | SunSparc: you didn't see Revenge of the Sith, did you. |
| 19:52.54 | SunSparc | I did, once. Sad movie. |
| 19:53.13 | gibba[w] | its right at the end, and its horrible |
| 19:53.36 | gibba[w] | !google darth vader nooooooooooo |
| 19:53.49 | gibba[w] | + - as mnany o's as you like |
| 19:53.53 | gibba[w] | many* |
| 19:54.30 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 19:56.48 | influx^^ | hah |
| 20:00.14 | unum | I have two servers one with php 4.3.9 the other with php 5.1.6 the one with 4.3 on it seems be automatically converting a varchar from postgres to an int |
| 20:00.33 | unum | 5.1 doesn't do that, is there anyway to stop that behavior on 4.3 |
| 20:00.54 | unum | I'm using mdb2 from pear |
| 20:01.56 | cole_joplin | pear (cough)(spit) |
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| 20:17.08 | unum | I'll just use str_pad to put the 0's back |
| 20:22.03 | wps | that's what I do with my paycheck |
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| 20:23.28 | orsonj | wps: the problem is you are putting them on the wrong side of the decimal |
| 20:23.41 | wps | doh! |
| 20:24.00 | wps | you have enough email addresses in your linkedin profile, thebigdog ? |
| 20:24.12 | thebigdog | i have 1 |
| 20:24.22 | thebigdog | how many do i have? |
| 20:24.57 | wps | hmm… I don't see them in your profile actually |
| 20:25.13 | wps | there were about seven listed in the approval queue for the UPHPU LinkedIn Group |
| 20:25.17 | wps | …though |
| 20:25.42 | thebigdog | wps not following you |
| 20:27.10 | mgeary | did i miss the linked in link? how do we get added to the group? |
| 20:27.42 | wps | http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/25209/46099C1DE7D1 |
| 20:27.52 | influx^^ | Do any of you know any flash programmers personally? |
| 20:27.56 | mgeary | i do ;) |
| 20:28.02 | mindjuju | yeah, mgeary |
| 20:28.10 | influx^^ | mgeary: You work in flash? |
| 20:28.12 | wps | I do |
| 20:28.16 | mgeary | though these days, i'm 80% PHP |
| 20:28.18 | mgeary | but yeah |
| 20:28.27 | mgeary | haven't really done much yet with AS3, though |
| 20:28.30 | wps | I do (do flash and know flash programmers botH) |
| 20:28.36 | mgeary | ~mgeary |
| 20:28.37 | jbot | you are, like, Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:28.37 | influx^^ | I'm asking because I have a friend who's dad is looking for someone to work for Nu Skin in Provo as a flash programmer. |
| 20:29.00 | mgeary | jbot: mgeary is also the founder of the Utah Director and Flash User Group |
| 20:29.01 | jbot | ACTION is also the founder of the Utah Director and Flash User Group is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 20:29.05 | mgeary | uh, whatever |
| 20:29.06 | wps | I'd post to UGAF, UFLASH, and/or UDFUG |
| 20:29.14 | influx^^ | 50K + Benefits |
| 20:29.26 | wps | mgeary: you started UDFUG? |
| 20:29.33 | mgeary | 8 long years ago this fall |
| 20:29.37 | wps | cool |
| 20:29.51 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 20:29.52 | jbot | i guess mgeary is Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 20:29.54 | influx^^ | wps: I'm looking for referrals, basically. |
| 20:29.56 | wps | that's a… um… nice acronym :) |
| 20:30.00 | mgeary | hehehe |
| 20:30.01 | mgeary | yep |
| 20:30.03 | wps | ah |
| 20:30.19 | mindjuju | jbot, mgeary is also the founder of the Utah Director and Flash User Group |
| 20:30.20 | jbot | ACTION is also the founder of the Utah Director and Flash User Group is held down whilst repeatedly beaten with the "what is a bot" stick |
| 20:30.34 | mgeary | hahahaha |
| 20:30.40 | wps | Pete Hawks and Josh Buhler are the best in the state, but $50K/annual's not going to get them to bat an eye |
| 20:30.55 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 20:31.13 | mindjuju | true that, at 50k, you might get a tunafart |
| 20:31.18 | influx^^ | I won't argue with that. |
| 20:31.29 | mindjuju | but not a very good one |
| 20:31.40 | mindjuju | heck don't know if you'd get a tunafart out of thebigdog for that price |
| 20:31.46 | influx^^ | I don't know what good programmers make here, so I can't judge. |
| 20:31.56 | mindjuju | Today's 80's moment is brought to you by the Letter H and the Number 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hykyX-LwRwI |
| 20:32.04 | influx^^ | That'd be pretty nice for myself though, if I could do it. |
| 20:32.39 | wps | oh yeah? that's cool, mgeary |
| 20:32.44 | wps | I didn't know you were a flash gy |
| 20:32.45 | wps | guy |
| 20:32.57 | mgeary | well, see, i'm actually a *Director* guy |
| 20:33.02 | thebigdog | ~tunafart #uphpu |
| 20:33.03 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to #uphpu, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 20:33.04 | wps | ah |
| 20:33.20 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_Director |
| 20:33.29 | orsonj | mmm, director. I helped someone do up a project in director. now we are redoing it in php |
| 20:33.30 | mgeary | we were doing "Flash" work back when you couldn't do it in Flash |
| 20:34.01 | wps | does Director use AS? |
| 20:34.15 | mgeary | no |
| 20:34.17 | mgeary | it uses Lingo |
| 20:34.27 | orsonj | ah, yes, that is what it was called |
| 20:34.30 | mgeary | for the record, though, i do much more work in Flash now than Director |
| 20:34.40 | mgeary | and both are dwarfed by my PHP work |
| 20:34.56 | orsonj | It is their custom proprietary language |
| 20:35.07 | mgeary | yep |
| 20:35.45 | orsonj | I think I read somewhere that they did it specificaly to keep people from copying something or the other. It was weird. |
| 20:35.46 | thebigdog | i do tons of flash/flex work now |
| 20:36.02 | wps | you do, thebigdog? |
| 20:36.22 | thebigdog | no...wanted to see what it would look like if i wrote it |
| 20:36.26 | mgeary | orsonj: well, it was inspired by smalltalk, actually. but one nice thing about Lingo is that it is a closed-format and thus a fair bit more secure than a Flash swf would be |
| 20:36.33 | thebigdog | kinda makes me look stupid |
| 20:36.39 | mgeary | thebigdog: ahahahaha |
| 20:37.10 | thebigdog | i have been doing flex though |
| 20:37.17 | thebigdog | on a very limited base |
| 20:37.57 | mgeary | Flex is pretty cool. i'd like to spend more time in it |
| 20:39.57 | PoeticIntensity | what the crud is Flex? |
| 20:40.08 | mgeary | Flex essentially == Flash with no timeline, and is heavily targeted at Java nerds |
| 20:40.15 | PoeticIntensity | ah |
| 20:40.22 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:40.31 | mgeary | that's a heavy simplification, but there ya go |
| 20:40.35 | bradym | flash with no timeline? strange |
| 20:40.49 | mgeary | event-driven model |
| 20:41.06 | mgeary | but you can have timeline-based widgets |
| 20:41.11 | PoeticIntensity | wait... Flex is by adobe? |
| 20:41.11 | thebigdog | ~flex |
| 20:41.12 | jbot | methinks flex is a sucky nick used by freaks, or flex is also the Fast Lexical analyzer generator. A Lex compatible scanner generator. |
| 20:41.14 | mgeary | eyah |
| 20:41.42 | PoeticIntensity | isn't...... flash owned by adobe as well? |
| 20:41.46 | bradym | interesting.. one of these days i'll have to get around to playing with flex a bit |
| 20:41.49 | beandog | it is now |
| 20:41.50 | bradym | yep |
| 20:41.54 | PoeticIntensity | hrm. |
| 20:41.57 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: always has been |
| 20:42.03 | beandog | flash == our evil proprietary shiny content overlords |
| 20:42.04 | mgeary | then there's OpenLaszlo |
| 20:42.10 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flex |
| 20:42.12 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, wasn't it owned by Macromedia? |
| 20:42.14 | mgeary | no |
| 20:42.16 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 20:42.18 | mgeary | sorry |
| 20:42.23 | wps | Adobe bought Macromedia |
| 20:42.25 | mgeary | right |
| 20:42.26 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 20:42.32 | beandog | for $5. |
| 20:42.35 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:42.40 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, no likie flash? |
| 20:42.52 | beandog | you likey? :) |
| 20:42.57 | PoeticIntensity | for the same reasons you didn't like javascript? |
| 20:43.03 | SunSparc | gross |
| 20:43.04 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, I wrote a whole web app in flash. |
| 20:43.13 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:43.25 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, What are you talking about? I adore javascript! |
| 20:43.39 | PoeticIntensity | yup.... once you saw the light.... ;-) |
| 20:43.58 | wps | other flash guys I know are Ben Child and Kyle Follett |
| 20:44.13 | beandog | btw, do we have any XML gurus in here? I asked last night, but no one was awake. :( |
| 20:44.15 | influx^^ | folco? |
| 20:44.25 | mgeary | wps: how do you know Kyle? |
| 20:44.34 | mgeary | he's also a long-time (former) udfugger |
| 20:44.45 | wps | just through networking |
| 20:44.47 | mgeary | haven't seen him in ages |
| 20:44.52 | wps | he's at Solution Stream |
| 20:44.55 | wps | (currently) |
| 20:45.01 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:45.34 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, I've done XML since 1.5 years ago... :) |
| 20:45.37 | PoeticIntensity | does that make me a guru? |
| 20:45.37 | timinator | ty thebigdog |
| 20:45.45 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, no |
| 20:45.50 | thebigdog | im the guru |
| 20:45.53 | PoeticIntensity | heh..... |
| 20:46.00 | thebigdog | timinator, of course |
| 20:46.07 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, really? |
| 20:46.18 | beandog | heh, I read that as interface |
| 20:46.24 | thebigdog | beandog, what you need |
| 20:46.26 | influx^^ | same |
| 20:46.27 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, can help too |
| 20:46.30 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 20:46.43 | beandog | thebigdog, just wanna make sure this is well-written |
| 20:47.10 | thebigdog | the comment "thebigdog is a guru" is well written |
| 20:47.15 | beandog | thebigdog, PoeticIntensity : http://mdp.nephi.org/download/scriptures/3.0rc1/scriptures.xml.bz2 |
| 20:47.21 | beandog | any room for improvement? |
| 20:47.31 | thebigdog | nope not well written |
| 20:47.50 | thebigdog | you have an & in there somewhere that is breakingit |
| 20:48.11 | PoeticIntensity | heh... I love the ampersands. |
| 20:48.24 | PoeticIntensity | just create the XML with something that is designed to create XML.... |
| 20:48.27 | PoeticIntensity | like PHP's DOM. |
| 20:48.34 | PoeticIntensity | that'll escape everything that needs escaping. |
| 20:48.58 | mindjuju | hey thebigdog , what you doing ? |
| 20:49.03 | thebigdog | not much you |
| 20:49.12 | thebigdog | but remember dom xml in php is slow |
| 20:49.14 | mindjuju | taking a break and found this |
| 20:49.15 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtEA1gP7P7E |
| 20:49.25 | beandog | thebigdog, those are for the " probably |
| 20:49.44 | thebigdog | wrap it in cdata |
| 20:49.49 | beandog | cdata? |
| 20:49.53 | mindjuju | yeah, cdata is the ticket |
| 20:49.59 | beandog | wazzat |
| 20:50.08 | mindjuju | wassssssssssssuuuup! |
| 20:50.27 | thebigdog | could you imagine thebigdog drunk |
| 20:50.42 | thebigdog | that would be worth its weight in gold on youtube |
| 20:50.59 | wps | :) |
| 20:51.03 | bradym | beandog: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_cdata.asp |
| 20:51.48 | thebigdog | beandog, did you make the schema? |
| 20:52.41 | beandog | thebigdog, yah |
| 20:52.50 | beandog | thanks bradym |
| 20:53.17 | beandog | I obviously have no idea how to do this stuff, so this is just based on what I figured would be the best structure / design |
| 20:53.21 | thebigdog | ok you will need to take that stuff out as attributes then |
| 20:53.34 | beandog | And since I never get feedback, I'm never sure if its right or not </bitter> |
| 20:53.38 | beandog | :) |
| 20:54.03 | thebigdog | im personally not a big fan of having attributes that have alot of data on the node |
| 20:54.18 | PoeticIntensity | <rant> people who create XML by hand when transferring corporate data deserve to die long, painful deaths.</rant> |
| 20:54.18 | orsonj | beandog: cool! What is pilcrow? |
| 20:54.20 | thebigdog | you might want to pull them out and create some children nodes |
| 20:55.23 | beandog | orsonj, that little paragraph thingie |
| 20:55.42 | beandog | thebigdog, can you give me an example? |
| 20:55.54 | thebigdog | well let me first understand what you are trying to do? |
| 20:56.04 | thebigdog | what are you using the xml for? |
| 20:56.35 | beandog | I'm not |
| 20:56.38 | beandog | I'm just providing it. |
| 20:56.49 | beandog | thebigdog, http://scriptures.nephi.org/ |
| 20:56.57 | thebigdog | ok 2 suggestions |
| 20:57.21 | thebigdog | i would use a predefined schema that outlines books or some notion if you can |
| 20:57.28 | thebigdog | if that doesnt work then i would do this |
| 20:57.53 | beandog | thebigdog, well Im going to conver it to some Biblical XML formats later, but for now, I just want a simple xml dump |
| 21:00.51 | thebigdog | http://pastebin.ca/713984 |
| 21:01.18 | thebigdog | you can then wrap the data in cdata |
| 21:01.22 | thebigdog | fixing your issues |
| 21:02.36 | beandog | thebigdog, so just put the attributes out of the tag? |
| 21:02.42 | beandog | if its a non-numeric value? |
| 21:06.26 | thebigdog | i dont like too many attributes on the nodes |
| 21:06.36 | beandog | Ok |
| 21:06.39 | thebigdog | attributes are sometimes slower to deal with |
| 21:06.47 | beandog | I think someone told me to put them in there once to make the file smaller |
| 21:07.07 | thebigdog | yeah xml will never be small |
| 21:07.16 | beandog | mm, thats true. |
| 21:07.19 | thebigdog | if you want small csv rocks |
| 21:07.24 | beandog | what would you do about the verse one |
| 21:07.32 | beandog | for the actual text |
| 21:08.03 | thebigdog | i would wrap them in cdata too...to catch anything |
| 21:08.51 | beandog | Well theres very few that are going to have anything to catch |
| 21:08.55 | beandog | like, less than 1% |
| 21:23.31 | cycokilr | oh man.. does anyone here know much about the EMC DMX 3 or 4 or the Hitachi storage systems at all? |
| 21:39.25 | Utah_Dave | orsonj: what are you using yacas for? |
| 21:46.54 | beandog | milk. |
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| 21:55.18 | brasto | I can't get pidgeon to work right... all other programs have sound, but not pidgeon... |
| 21:55.38 | wps | Colloquy |
| 21:56.01 | SunSparc | brasto: You need a Mac :) |
| 21:56.10 | wps | everyone needs a Mac |
| 21:56.15 | SunSparc | AMEN!! |
| 21:56.17 | brasto | lol |
| 21:57.07 | wps | store.apple.com |
| 21:57.20 | mgeary | ...in vain |
| 21:57.22 | wps | it is open source |
| 21:57.31 | wps | :) |
| 21:58.04 | orsonj | Utah_Dave: I am looking for something to do algebraic transformations |
| 21:58.47 | orsonj | It would be cool to have a program that would work like a math enhanced whiteboard |
| 21:59.21 | orsonj | you put in an equation, then say multiply this part by the conjugate |
| 22:00.18 | orsonj | kind f how CAS (Computer Algebra Systems) work, except you tell it what steps to perform |
| 22:02.20 | orsonj | (Calculus involves _lots_ of Algebra) |
| 22:03.40 | brasto | ~md5 brasto |
| 22:03.53 | brasto | cool, maybe I'll set that as one of my aliases... |
| 22:06.26 | mgeary | ~sha256 brasto |
| 22:08.54 | fungus | ~sha1 brasto |
| 22:09.12 | fungus | ~blowfish brasto |
| 22:09.25 | fungus | ~crypt brasto |
| 22:09.25 | jbot | rA49um.RJke32 |
| 22:11.44 | SunSparc | ~binary brasto |
| 22:12.20 | SunSparc | ~thermian brasto |
| 22:12.42 | thebigdog | ~rat14 bradym |
| 22:13.11 | thebigdog | ~rot13 bradym |
| 22:13.11 | jbot | oenqlz |
| 22:13.22 | thebigdog | ~piglatin brasto |
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| 22:13.38 | thebigdog | ~scramble brasto |
| 22:13.50 | thebigdog | ~reverse mgeary |
| 22:14.11 | thebigdog | ~uc mgeary |
| 22:14.27 | thebigdog | ~crypt mgeary |
| 22:14.27 | jbot | dn95rNTathtjE |
| 22:14.28 | mgeary | ~literal scramble |
| 22:14.41 | thebigdog | ~hex mgeary |
| 22:14.41 | jbot | mgeary is 6D 67 65 61 72 79 20 |
| 22:14.59 | fungus | ~crypt mgeary $1$12345678$ |
| 22:14.59 | jbot | mgj2ZpPSu7uvk |
| 22:15.31 | thebigdog | ~babelfish en es i am the bigdog |
| 22:16.14 | thebigdog | ~lobotomy mindjuju |
| 22:16.15 | jbot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on mindjuju |
| 22:16.40 | fungus | ~babelfish en zh I am the fungus |
| 22:16.41 | SunSparc | ~chinese SunSparc |
| 22:16.46 | SunSparc | 星期日火花 |
| 22:16.54 | SunSparc | Oh, so close |
| 22:17.28 | SunSparc | ~chinese mgeary |
| 22:17.29 | fungus | ~babelfish en zh fungus |
| 22:17.56 | mindjuju | i'm here |
| 22:18.02 | mindjuju | ~APB dataw0lf |
| 22:18.03 | jbot | ACTION summons Tim to stake out dataw0lf |
| 22:18.07 | SunSparc | ~adamic mindjuju |
| 22:19.26 | mindjuju | ~APB tierra |
| 22:19.27 | jbot | ACTION summons Leland to spray mace at tierra |
| 22:20.35 | fungus | ~babelfish en zh you smell like poop |
| 22:20.44 | fungus | ~babelfish zh en 您嗅到象船尾 |
| 22:21.03 | mindjuju | fungus , what are you trying to say in chinese? |
| 22:21.28 | *** join/#uphpu thebigdog (n=bigdog@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 22:21.28 | fungus | Nothing, just comparing the translation accuracy. |
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| 22:22.51 | influx^^ | ~babelfish en sp My dad can beat up your dad |
| 22:23.17 | timinator | ~babelfish en sp Even your mom knows Vista sucks |
| 22:23.39 | influx^^ | "My dad can beat (as in eggs) on top of your dad." |
| 22:23.51 | beandog | heh |
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| 22:23.55 | fungus | eww, dirty |
| 22:23.56 | timinator | ~babelfish en zh Even your mom knows Vista sucks |
| 22:24.13 | fungus | ~babelfish zh en 甚而您的妈妈知道远景吮 |
| 22:24.15 | influx^^ | ~babelfish en zh Thank you |
| 22:24.18 | SunSparc | Post that one on a bumber sticker! |
| 22:24.20 | timinator | that looks like a great tattoo |
| 22:24.45 | timinator | ~babelfish en zh Timothy |
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| 22:25.01 | fungus | ~babelfish zh en 梯牧草 |
| 22:25.08 | timinator | nice |
| 22:25.09 | fungus | woot! accuracy |
| 22:25.29 | thebigdog | i swear everytime i change my encoding it relogs me |
| 22:25.35 | beandog | encoding? |
| 22:25.44 | thebigdog | yeah for xchat |
| 22:25.54 | thebigdog | i hate windows |
| 22:25.55 | beandog | oh gotcha |
| 22:26.04 | beandog | youre on windows? |
| 22:26.09 | beandog | ~mourn thebigdog |
| 22:26.10 | jbot | ACTION lights some candles for thebigdog |
| 22:26.16 | thebigdog | yeah using xchat on windows for irc |
| 22:26.19 | SunSparc | Windows is EVIL |
| 22:26.29 | thebigdog | i had it set to utf8 but it really sucks on windows |
| 22:26.45 | SunSparc | jbot, give thebigdog a cookie |
| 22:26.46 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog a home-baked oatmeal raisin cookie to cheer him up. |
| 22:27.14 | SunSparc | jbot, give Windows a boot to the head |
| 22:27.15 | jbot | ACTION gives a boot to the head to Windows |
| 22:27.17 | timinator | jbot, give thebigdog a mac |
| 22:27.17 | jbot | ACTION gives a mac to thebigdog |
| 22:27.19 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:27.29 | tierra | mindjuju: ack |
| 22:27.41 | influx^^ | What *can't* jbot do or say? |
| 22:27.58 | mindjuju | tierra, PM sent |
| 22:28.06 | fungus | influx^^: everything you haven't yet thought of |
| 22:29.50 | SunSparc | jbot cannot yet speed up the harvest or transport me off this rock. |
| 22:32.26 | *** part/#uphpu nAmir (i=Aviv@gateway/tor/x-be74e9403ec3ac76) |
| 22:47.42 | SunSparc | What is the point of using an abstract class or an interface class since they basically empty by definition and are required to be extended in order to be used? It seems they are just blueprints. |
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| 22:54.17 | unum | you can use them as bases classes |
| 22:54.33 | SunSparc | I guess they are used more in an environment where other people will be building on top of a standard, like an API, and to make sure people follow certain rules the abstract and interface models force them to follow the standard, to a degree. |
| 22:55.02 | unum | if you are implementing classes for shapes you could build a base shape class |
| 22:55.12 | unum | thats has a pure virtual function called area |
| 22:55.47 | unum | thus forcing the programmer to create that function |
| 22:56.33 | timinator | I'm taking off... later guys |
| 22:56.46 | SunSparc | unum: ok, that makes sense. |
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| 23:11.04 | unum | then you can do polymorphing!!! |
| 23:11.39 | SunSparc | polymorphing = multi changing? |
| 23:11.45 | unum | then over a year ago I was talking to a friend about the best way to solve a problem, and he told polymorphism |
| 23:12.10 | SunSparc | ~define polymorphism |
| 23:12.10 | jbot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 23:12.15 | SunSparc | ok |
| 23:12.20 | SunSparc | ~dict polymorphism |
| 23:12.39 | unum | that's not what I was thinking |
| 23:12.49 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:13.10 | unum | I was thing of where you had a list of pointers that point to different type of objects that are of the same base class |
| 23:13.42 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 23:13.47 | macnewbold | bah |
| 23:13.55 | macnewbold | no good cookies any more |
| 23:13.57 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
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| 23:16.17 | SunSparc | unum: that is probably correct, I think jbot only gave us one definition. |
| 23:21.32 | mgeary | döners are awesome |
| 23:23.58 | mindjuju | whats a doner? is that like a blixen? |
| 23:24.26 | mgeary | turko-german gyro |
| 23:24.38 | mgeary | really good |
| 23:24.44 | mgeary | ~wiki döner |
| 23:24.59 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner |
| 23:25.26 | mgeary | but the bread is "Fladenbrot", not pita bread. Fladenbrot is much better |
| 23:26.27 | mgeary | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Doener_berlin_kraeuter.jpg |
| 23:26.34 | mgeary | that's a good berliner döner |
| 23:26.37 | mgeary | mmmmmm |
| 23:27.37 | SunSparc | YUMMY!!! |
| 23:27.52 | SunSparc | Nothing like what I find here in Utah |
| 23:28.14 | SunSparc | Europe has some amazing cuisine. |
| 23:35.59 | cole_joplin | and really bad water |
| 23:37.38 | mindjuju | sup cole_joplin |
| 23:37.51 | cole_joplin | doing ok, you? |
| 23:37.55 | SunSparc | cole_joplin: yeah, well, you can't have everything. |
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| 23:39.30 | cole_joplin | mindjuju, is this Sat ok? |
| 23:40.10 | mindjuju | Saturday is fine |
| 23:40.29 | SunSparc | Night y'all! |
| 23:41.33 | Utah_Dave | party at mindjuju's on saturday!!! |
| 23:42.39 | mindjuju | w00t! |
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