| 00:00.00 | mindjuju | mgeary, a m00se bit my sister |
| 00:00.47 | dataw0lf | doubtful, it's more a "geek" thing than an "age" thing. |
| 00:01.29 | mgeary | not i |
| 00:01.37 | mindjuju | No really! She was carving her initials on the m00se with the sharpened end of an interspace t00thbrush |
| 00:03.10 | mgeary | mindjuju: i gotcha on them, i'm just not *that* good... |
| 00:03.25 | mgeary | and i'm too busy taking care of these Llamas |
| 00:20.41 | mgeary | has anyone ever analyzed the mysql performance difference between doing "select blah.* from blah where blah.id IN (some,long,list,of,ids)" and "select blah.* from blah where blah.id = (select something_that_returns_a_series_of_ids) |
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| 00:58.51 | mindjuju | oh how funny, merchandise that was considered but dropped using the Halo theme: |
| 00:58.59 | mindjuju | Items that did not make the cut were a "Halo"-themed lottery ticket, lingerie modeled after a female hologram character and toy guns based the game's weapons. Instead, fans can expect high-quality action figures from McFarlane Toys, a tabletop game from WizKids Inc and replica weapons for mature buyers. |
| 00:59.12 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070918/tc_nm/halo_merchandise_dc |
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| 02:09.45 | influx^^ | hello? |
| 02:11.25 | jsmith | Hello influx^^ |
| 02:13.39 | influx^^ | I was going to ask something about how I can use return within a defined function, but I figured it out. |
| 02:13.45 | influx^^ | "return" |
| 02:14.00 | influx^^ | Wasn't sure on what happens when you return something. |
| 02:48.18 | influx^^ | What exactly is <?= ?> ? |
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| 03:06.09 | mgeary | hey |
| 03:06.14 | mgeary | jsmith: ping |
| 03:06.29 | mgeary | jsmith has an interview on IT Conversations |
| 03:06.32 | mgeary | congrats |
| 03:10.59 | influx^^ | mgeary: hello |
| 03:11.05 | mgeary | oy |
| 03:13.24 | influx^^ | hmm I want to show you something, but I can't submit anything... one sec |
| 03:13.35 | influx^^ | submit anything to any pastebin I've tried so far |
| 03:13.51 | mgeary | try dpaste.com |
| 03:14.05 | mgeary | or http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 03:19.55 | influx^^ | mwarrr |
| 03:20.00 | influx^^ | http://www.deadink.org/files/mcchrisssss.txt |
| 03:20.05 | influx^^ | :\ |
| 03:20.27 | influx^^ | that'll have to do |
| 03:21.18 | influx^^ | So, what I'd like to do, pretty much, is move as much more of the php as I can, to another file. |
| 03:21.30 | mgeary | checking it |
| 03:21.42 | influx^^ | The php generating the divs filled with dropdowns and text fields. |
| 03:21.56 | mgeary | ok |
| 03:22.22 | influx^^ | ...obviously, I guess. Heh. |
| 03:23.27 | influx^^ | Maybe turn some of it into a function that accepts the html I want to be repeated as a variable? |
| 03:23.33 | mgeary | well, i may be a bad one to ask, because i'm a big fan of Smarty, which some others on this list disparage |
| 03:23.59 | mgeary | and Smarty has nice, built-in functionality for such things |
| 03:24.11 | mgeary | but requires a degree of infrastructure which you may not want |
| 03:24.37 | influx^^ | I figure I should try doing it myself (with a little help), without relying on something like Smarty yet. |
| 03:24.45 | mgeary | sure |
| 03:25.02 | jsmith | mgeary: Yup... I guess that makes me infamous... |
| 03:25.17 | influx^^ | It's like learning html and then using dreamweaver for the less interesting bits once you know it like the back of your hand or something. |
| 03:25.22 | influx^^ | I guess. |
| 03:25.33 | mgeary | jsmith: congrats, dude, also on the recent O'Reilly plugs as well |
| 03:25.45 | jsmith | Thanks... it's been a wild few weeks |
| 03:26.22 | mgeary | influx^^: so, you'll want to use a function, since it's repeated logic |
| 03:27.13 | mgeary | my recommendation would be to do the <select ...> and </select> tags manually, since they are likely to change (well, at least the open tag is) |
| 03:28.37 | mgeary | now, borrowing, for example, from what Smarty does, you might want to consider building a function like this: |
| 03:29.01 | mgeary | function generateOptions($input_array,$selected_key) |
| 03:29.46 | mgeary | so, what i would do is have a piece of your PHP script that creates the data array, and then pass that to your function down in your "template" area |
| 03:30.14 | mgeary | you might say that this approach means that you have to iterate twice through a set of data: once to produce the array, and again to output the <option> tags... |
| 03:30.19 | mgeary | ...and you'd be right.... |
| 03:30.43 | mgeary | ...but this way you keep a nice separation between your *data* and your *expression*, or display |
| 03:31.36 | mgeary | so that in the future, when you need to output those data options in a different mechanism, you don't have to change your initial iteration, since it simply produces a nicely generic array |
| 03:31.42 | mgeary | make any sense at all? |
| 03:32.22 | influx^^ | I think I see. |
| 03:32.44 | mgeary | try to look at it this way |
| 03:33.32 | mgeary | try to draw a line between your "application logic" and your "display logic". Get all your data that you will need to display a given page. Get that all ready *before* you have any code that pertains to output |
| 03:34.02 | mgeary | always ask yourself, "if i needed to output this page as XML (or whatever), how much would i have to change?" |
| 03:34.31 | mgeary | you want the answer to be, "not very much" |
| 03:34.44 | mgeary | but in your code as it now stands, you'd have to essentially rewrite the entire page |
| 03:35.38 | mgeary | so, step 1: collect all your data and get it into arrays and simple variables. step 2: output the HTML data such that it's simply outputting those variables and iterating through the arrays |
| 03:37.16 | mgeary | now, has this all been too much theory, and not enough actual help on your current chunk of code? |
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| 03:38.03 | influx^^ | I don't believe so. |
| 03:38.42 | influx^^ | I can look up functions and such, sure, but it's the theory that I'm really looking for. |
| 03:38.51 | influx^^ | So, that's helpful. |
| 03:39.14 | influx^^ | You have been helpful. I think I'll give it another go and come back if there's something. |
| 03:40.08 | influx^^ | K. |
| 03:40.38 | influx^^ | Man. I wish I knew how to log chats in irssi. |
| 03:40.54 | influx^^ | I have to go, but I'll be back tomorrow morning. |
| 03:41.00 | mgeary | dunno, i use Colloquy on OS X, does it automatically (though poorly) |
| 03:41.10 | mgeary | k, i'll bring this in the morning |
| 03:41.19 | influx^^ | connected to a shell* |
| 03:41.27 | influx^^ | Nite. |
| 03:41.36 | mgeary | later |
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| 05:38.30 | wps | I have a file that's being included inside of a function |
| 05:38.45 | wps | this file contains a different function |
| 05:39.10 | wps | I need the function inside of the file to be available outside of the function that is including the file |
| 05:39.14 | wps | how do I do that? |
| 05:52.13 | herlo | require_once(file); should do it. just make sure the require_once line is above where you need it |
| 05:53.03 | wps | hmm… require_once() is what I'm using |
| 05:53.17 | herlo | wps: I want to clarify one thing though. You want the function to be available outside the *file* right? You stated that you wanted it to be available outside the *function* which doesn't make much sense to me... |
| 05:53.48 | herlo | oh, wait! I see |
| 05:54.26 | herlo | why does your function do that? Wouldn't it be more prudent to eliminate something like that? |
| 05:54.53 | herlo | you include a file that has a function with another include inside. Seems to me someone is really hacking... |
| 05:55.09 | wps | no, there aren't two includes |
| 05:55.14 | wps | let me get you a visual |
| 05:55.25 | herlo | k |
| 05:58.50 | wps | http://pastebin.org/2783 |
| 05:59.15 | wps | so, inside of the function "cow", a tile is included |
| 05:59.25 | wps | that file has a function within it |
| 05:59.43 | herlo | that's dumb! |
| 06:00.00 | herlo | what's inside the included file? |
| 06:00.10 | wps | a function |
| 06:00.19 | herlo | why is it in there? |
| 06:00.25 | herlo | can't it just be in this class? |
| 06:00.33 | wps | because I only want it to be included if it's needed |
| 06:00.43 | herlo | why? |
| 06:00.58 | herlo | sorry, I'm just trying to understand your rationale |
| 06:01.04 | wps | you're fine |
| 06:01.28 | wps | because I have tons of functions and I don't want to waste processing power and load time to load them all for every page when only a few are needed |
| 06:01.40 | herlo | wouldn't it be better to have two classes and have one inherit from the other. Instantiate the appropriate one as needed... |
| 06:01.54 | herlo | have the extra function in the child class. |
| 06:01.57 | wps | I don't know. I know very little about classes. |
| 06:02.02 | herlo | I see. |
| 06:02.40 | wps | my code seems simple… seems strange that it doesn't work |
| 06:02.44 | herlo | okay, so here's the thing. your function monkey->cow() if called would *always* include that file so its pointless to do it like that |
| 06:03.15 | wps | no, not always |
| 06:03.21 | wps | (perhaps I am not showing you enough code) |
| 06:03.24 | herlo | unless there's an if I don't see, it will *always* becalled |
| 06:03.35 | wps | line 8 in the pastebin |
| 06:03.45 | herlo | I'm guessing there's an if |
| 06:03.52 | herlo | okay, line 8 says: |
| 06:03.57 | wps | the function name is dynamic |
| 06:04.01 | herlo | $pl_code = $this->$function($vp); |
| 06:04.03 | herlo | right? |
| 06:04.08 | wps | yes |
| 06:04.11 | herlo | k, hold on |
| 06:04.14 | wps | and line 6 is dynamic |
| 06:04.28 | herlo | right, I see that |
| 06:04.30 | herlo | so |
| 06:05.04 | herlo | the point I am trying to make is that if you get that far, *no* *matter* what you do, the data in the require_once line *will* be included |
| 06:05.13 | wps | so each time the cow() is called, it is including and calling different functions, depending on what $vp['ID'] happens to equal |
| 06:05.21 | herlo | right, I get that too |
| 06:05.32 | herlo | and the functions I am guessing are defined in the included file |
| 06:05.42 | herlo | that makes sense. |
| 06:05.46 | wps | yes, that's correct… one file will always be included |
| 06:06.22 | herlo | just that you might be better served to do inheritance and override a particular function as needed. Though I can see why you do what you do. |
| 06:06.24 | wps | the point is that each file only contains one function (opposed to just putting all 50 functions inside the class) |
| 06:06.30 | herlo | I get it |
| 06:06.39 | herlo | It was a bit confusing at first... |
| 06:07.23 | herlo | as far as I can tell, it should work as you describe... |
| 06:08.08 | wps | hmm… when it tries to call the function (the one inside the included file), I get: |
| 06:08.10 | herlo | and that way is an acceptable way, I suppose. I'm still trying to figure out why you owuld have 50 different functions underneath, but it seems feasible |
| 06:08.21 | wps | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: css_nav() in /home/omniture/www/htdocs/isol/inc/classes/class.cms.inc on line 166 |
| 06:08.38 | wps | it's a CMS for a large website |
| 06:08.44 | herlo | is that the name of the function its supposed to call? |
| 06:08.48 | wps | the functions build chunks of repeated HTML |
| 06:08.55 | wps | yes |
| 06:08.57 | herlo | k |
| 06:08.58 | herlo | hmm |
| 06:09.32 | herlo | I'm guessing that its a runtime definition issue. |
| 06:09.37 | wps | css_nav is the name of the file ("css_nav.php") and the name of the function within that file |
| 06:09.43 | herlo | You've not *truly* defined the functions as members of the class |
| 06:10.06 | herlo | and then expect the function to be dynamically included and accepted as part of the class |
| 06:10.16 | wps | yeah |
| 06:10.18 | wps | arg |
| 06:10.23 | herlo | making them global is a solution but probably not what you want |
| 06:10.28 | wps | (said like a pirate) |
| 06:10.30 | herlo | let me try something.... |
| 06:11.29 | wps | do I need to return the contents of the included file back out of the function? |
| 06:12.31 | wps | no… wait… that can't be related… I need the included function to be available before the parent function finishes |
| 06:12.46 | herlo | well, maybe. but essentially, that's just calling what you're doing here in the other file... |
| 06:12.59 | wps | available… but available outside… how confusing |
| 06:13.05 | herlo | right |
| 06:13.15 | herlo | I think the answer actually lies in inheritance |
| 06:13.30 | herlo | have you ever heard of the Proxy Pattern? |
| 06:13.44 | wps | this is why I don't use classes :) |
| 06:13.48 | wps | no, I haven't heard of that |
| 06:13.50 | herlo | hehe |
| 06:13.52 | herlo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_pattern |
| 06:14.02 | herlo | the essential idea of the proxy pattern is you create one class |
| 06:14.13 | herlo | and then have a bunch of classes that inherit from it |
| 06:14.19 | herlo | all looking identical |
| 06:14.27 | herlo | so I'm trying to write you one really quick |
| 06:16.42 | herlo | It's been a while since I've done this, I can tell... |
| 06:18.01 | wps | no worries… unless you almost have something… don't sweat it |
| 06:18.31 | wps | I need to get to sleep |
| 06:19.02 | wps | and I'll be meeting with the coworker that wrote the thing in the morning… so that will help find the right solution |
| 06:19.20 | wps | I really need to learn more about classes though |
| 06:19.58 | herlo | http://pastebin.org/2785 |
| 06:20.12 | herlo | I'd suggest something like that... |
| 06:20.25 | herlo | its a better solution and much cleaner |
| 06:21.08 | herlo | you write the 50+ functions as small classes that inherit from the parent and then pass that class as if they were the real parent... |
| 06:21.30 | herlo | its close, probably not perfect though... |
| 06:21.33 | wps | can they be in separate files?? |
| 06:22.05 | herlo | why? |
| 06:22.13 | herlo | they don't need to be, but they can |
| 06:22.24 | herlo | thing is, you don't call it like you did |
| 06:22.47 | herlo | instead, you just pass the new object as if its the original and you've overridden the functions you need to change... |
| 06:22.56 | herlo | so its dynamic |
| 06:23.00 | wps | well, part of the goal of this was to have each chunk of code in their own file so that it was easier to manage and edit |
| 06:23.08 | herlo | you cna do that |
| 06:23.09 | wps | so you don't have to scroll down through thousands of lines of code |
| 06:23.14 | herlo | agreed |
| 06:23.40 | herlo | that's not a huge issue, the thing is, you'll want them to *all* be included though |
| 06:23.46 | herlo | which might get hairy |
| 06:24.04 | herlo | if you put them in separate files, unless you do something like including a file that has them all included |
| 06:24.46 | herlo | but its your code... |
| 06:24.54 | herlo | :) |
| 06:26.40 | wps | thanks for your help |
| 06:26.43 | wps | and for that example |
| 06:27.05 | herlo | np |
| 06:27.07 | herlo | good luck |
| 06:27.26 | herlo | hope it helps |
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| 14:01.39 | Utah_Dave | hey, mindjuju, you up yet? |
| 14:01.46 | Utah_Dave | ~wake mindjuju |
| 14:01.47 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 14:41.04 | mindjuju | i'm here utah_dave |
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| 14:43.13 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
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| 14:43.23 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 14:43.53 | thebigdog | not much |
| 14:49.48 | timinator | sup mindjuju |
| 14:50.17 | mindjuju | not too much on this side, just plowing through some code |
| 14:51.33 | timinator | mindjuju: that story is crazy |
| 14:52.47 | mindjuju | yeah, too funny |
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| 14:53.02 | thebigdog | today feels like a monday again |
| 14:53.03 | mindjuju | i love how that dude is like "i never knew my wife could write such nice things" |
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| 15:04.25 | mgeary | morning all |
| 15:05.25 | mindjuju | sup mgeary |
| 15:05.32 | mgeary | same old |
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| 15:11.26 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I'm trying to price out an SSL certificate. |
| 15:11.38 | Utah_Dave | Is there anywhere I can get one for less than $500? |
| 15:12.07 | mindjuju | on the year? several |
| 15:12.20 | mindjuju | well, what kind, the new one? |
| 15:13.43 | mindjuju | the company i go through is trustwave, never had any probs |
| 15:13.44 | Utah_Dave | well, I just want to be able to use SSL without having that annoying popup |
| 15:13.54 | mindjuju | their 1yr is $50 |
| 15:14.01 | mindjuju | 3yr - $120 |
| 15:14.13 | mindjuju | https://www.securetrust.com/sslcertificates/serverlicenses/ |
| 15:14.27 | mindjuju | they used to be called xramp, then bought last year by trustwave |
| 15:14.33 | Utah_Dave | ok, cool. |
| 15:14.40 | Utah_Dave | that sounds a lot more doable |
| 15:14.42 | Utah_Dave | thanks, mindjuju |
| 15:14.55 | mindjuju | now, there is a new type of SSL cert called Extended Validation SSL cert |
| 15:15.17 | mindjuju | it makes newer browsers address bar turn green, like IE 7 |
| 15:15.27 | mindjuju | suppose to give client extra warm fuzzies, etc |
| 15:15.29 | Utah_Dave | right |
| 15:15.29 | mindjuju | but way pricey |
| 15:15.36 | mindjuju | we don't use those |
| 15:15.38 | mindjuju | one last thing |
| 15:16.05 | mindjuju | GoDaddy has the cheapest price on SSL, but Herlo had problem with it, don't recall the prob |
| 15:16.36 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 15:16.48 | mindjuju | hope that helps |
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| 15:17.14 | SunSparc | I use GeoTrust certificates. I really like them. I can get one for you for $150. |
| 15:18.33 | timinator | Read this: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2007/09/18.html |
| 15:19.42 | mindjuju | they had something on digg last night about lotus symphony -- what do you make of it timinator? |
| 15:22.37 | timinator | I think this guy is on to something with the future of web dev. AND he's sitting on one of the smartest teams of techs around. AND his company is small enough that they can still maneuver well. I don't know if he's planning on doing it (NewSDK), but he'd be at the top of the list in my book. Either way, I think he's on to something. |
| 15:27.05 | timinator | Big companies can't maneuver well. A small company can slam on the brakes, turn a 180, and floor the accelerator very quickly. A big company is like trying to do the same thing with a speeding train, on the same track. |
| 15:27.40 | mindjuju | funny you should say that, i say that exact thing to the owner of BGM |
| 15:28.30 | mindjuju | Sure the other guys have huge teams of devs, but they have layers of bureaucracy |
| 15:28.48 | mindjuju | we can make changes quick and nimbly |
| 15:28.52 | PelaoFeliz | so if he's got such great people, why is he producing a bug tracking system instead of something interesting & new? |
| 15:30.17 | timinator | I think they do a fair amount of custom stuff |
| 15:31.02 | timinator | one of their main products is: https://www.copilot.com/ |
| 15:31.03 | PelaoFeliz | haven't heard of any innovation out of his company, though... |
| 15:32.11 | PelaoFeliz | touche |
| 15:33.40 | timinator | and I'm not saying they'll do it.... in fact, I think these guys are closer: http://script.aculo.us/ |
| 15:33.51 | timinator | they have a JS framework that MANY people use already |
| 15:34.10 | PelaoFeliz | still, for a guy who says he has the top point-oh whatever percent of people, seems he talks more than does |
| 15:34.53 | timinator | True that.... I'm not sure who'll do it, but I think he's on to something about the future of web dev |
| 15:35.20 | PelaoFeliz | could be |
| 15:35.45 | PelaoFeliz | yesterday there was much praising of jquery... is that similar to scriptaculous? |
| 15:36.14 | timinator | I personally use as little JS as possible, but I'm changing my ways |
| 15:36.16 | mgeary | PelaoFeliz: from what i can tell, jquery is more analogous to Prototype than scriptaculous |
| 15:36.29 | mgeary | but it looks compelling |
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| 15:41.30 | dataw0lf | what about jquery? |
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| 15:42.23 | dataw0lf | http://blogs.pathf.com/agileajax/2007/08/jquery-vs-proto.html |
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| 15:42.38 | mgeary | hey, there we go |
| 15:42.59 | mindjuju | that copilot prog isn't too bad |
| 15:43.01 | SunSparc | Hey, what did you do, mgear? |
| 15:43.20 | SunSparc | mgeary: Mine still does not work. |
| 15:43.50 | SunSparc | ;p |
| 15:44.08 | mgeary | alright, alright |
| 15:44.12 | mgeary | http://colloquy.info/project/browser/trunk/Plug-Ins/iTunes/iTunes.scpt |
| 15:44.12 | SunSparc | :) |
| 15:44.17 | mgeary | click on that download link |
| 15:44.27 | mgeary | and put the resulting script in this directory: |
| 15:44.43 | mgeary | ~/Library/Application Support/Colloquy/PlugIns/ |
| 15:44.48 | mgeary | then restart Colloquy |
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| 15:46.15 | SunSparc | Sweet! |
| 15:46.20 | SunSparc | Thanks mgeary! |
| 15:46.36 | mgeary | yep |
| 15:46.58 | SunSparc | I wonder if I did that originally or if Colloquy just came that way before... |
| 15:47.05 | mgeary | just came that way |
| 15:47.15 | SunSparc | Hmm |
| 15:48.35 | timinator | restarting.... |
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| 15:49.25 | timinator | NICE |
| 15:49.27 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:49.31 | thebigdog | not nice |
| 15:49.47 | timinator | mgeary++ |
| 15:50.11 | timinator | why, Not Nice? |
| 15:50.33 | thebigdog | sends crappy chars |
| 15:51.16 | mgeary | thebigdog: you don't see stars? |
| 15:51.23 | thebigdog | nope |
| 15:51.34 | mgeary | thebigdog: did you previously? in days gone by? |
| 15:51.38 | thebigdog | nope |
| 15:52.07 | thebigdog | ~whaleblock thebigdog |
| 15:52.08 | jbot | ACTION shields thebigdog with a freakishly huger whale named ollywag |
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| 16:00.28 | timinator | yawn |
| 16:01.05 | timinator | :) |
| 16:01.20 | mgeary | i knew a guy once who would sneeze if you ever mentioned any condiments |
| 16:01.25 | mgeary | "mustard"....<sneeze> |
| 16:01.30 | mgeary | "ketchup"....<sneeze> |
| 16:01.36 | mgeary | it was fun tormenting him |
| 16:01.54 | mgeary | i wish he was here now so we could verify once and for all that vinegar is NOT a condiment |
| 16:02.08 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:04.12 | jsmith | mgeary: It is too a condiment... what else do you put on fish and chips? |
| 16:04.36 | mgeary | jsmith: exactly my point |
| 16:04.39 | mgeary | you shouldn't |
| 16:04.39 | thebigdog | the one and only vinegar |
| 16:04.52 | thebigdog | jsmith, yes it does |
| 16:05.01 | thebigdog | i might need to get some today if i have time |
| 16:05.06 | jsmith | Mmmmn.... malt vinegar |
| 16:05.21 | thebigdog | that is sooooo delicious |
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| 16:31.23 | mindjuju | i'm going to have to mix this into something longer |
| 16:38.02 | mindjuju | it's a plugin |
| 16:38.24 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:38.25 | mgeary | ✩ |
| 16:38.29 | mgeary | that's the code that gets sent |
| 16:38.32 | mindjuju | influx^^ nothing wrong with being nocturnal , i hit my prime around 1:30 - 4a |
| 16:38.39 | mgeary | brasto: what OS you on? thebigdog can't see the stars |
| 16:38.42 | SunSparc | For the amazing Colloquy IRC client for Mac OS X. |
| 16:40.40 | influx^^ | mindjuju: Aye. I can't do the less-than-eight-hour nights of sleep so well anymore, though. |
| 16:40.48 | influx^^ | mgeary: I was talking to you last night, right? |
| 16:40.53 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:42.05 | influx^^ | So, I tried putting together what I thought would work after your instruction/advice, and I didn't do a very good job. I got the idea in my head that a function fed variables (one which could be another call to the function) would help. |
| 16:42.19 | mindjuju | can't do less than 8? i'm kinda the opposite, if i go to bed at 5 or 6a, i can wake up 10 or 10:30 and run all day again, no prob, but if you need me up before 6:30a, I've got to be in bed by 10p or there are problems |
| 16:43.01 | mindjuju | early mornings = mindjuju Bane (kryptonite) |
| 16:43.09 | influx^^ | Heh. |
| 16:43.22 | mgeary | my problem is, i love late nights, and i love early mornings |
| 16:43.31 | mgeary | and i hate to sleep. but dang it, i do have to get a bit in now and then |
| 16:43.45 | influx^^ | mgeary: moof([initial value],[comparison value],[padding on or off],[output]) |
| 16:43.56 | SunSparc | mgeary: Amen! |
| 16:44.49 | mindjuju | early mornings and late nights... mind boggling |
| 16:45.03 | mgeary | mindjuju: not saying i *do* early mornings AND late nights |
| 16:45.07 | mgeary | just saying i like each |
| 16:45.24 | mgeary | i generally go to sleep around 1:30-2:00 am and wake up around 7:30 |
| 16:45.31 | mgeary | 6 hours is just fine for me |
| 16:46.28 | Utah_Dave | gb |
| 16:46.51 | mgeary | influx^^: i've got that code on my laptop. give me a minute, and i'll post it somewhere |
| 16:47.07 | influx^^ | si si |
| 16:53.08 | mgeary | influx^^: do you have this page online somewhere, that i can see the HTML it's outputting? |
| 16:53.43 | influx^^ | one sec |
| 17:00.52 | influx^^ | how do I drop all tables in a database? |
| 17:01.00 | influx^^ | mysql |
| 17:01.06 | wps | just the tables out of it? |
| 17:01.11 | influx^^ | yeah |
| 17:01.11 | wps | not actually the database? |
| 17:01.14 | influx^^ | yes |
| 17:03.01 | beandog | uh, why? |
| 17:03.05 | beandog | its faster to drop the db |
| 17:03.14 | influx^^ | I don't have that kind of access. |
| 17:03.16 | beandog | ah. |
| 17:03.35 | beandog | you can't |
| 17:03.41 | beandog | gotta do them individually |
| 17:03.46 | influx^^ | right-o |
| 17:04.02 | timinator | DROP TABLE `one`, `two`, `three`, `four`; |
| 17:04.41 | timinator | or DROP DATABASE `mysql_rocks`; |
| 17:04.46 | beandog | I would use pma |
| 17:04.51 | beandog | if you can |
| 17:04.56 | beandog | just check all, drop table |
| 17:04.58 | beandog | whee! |
| 17:05.10 | timinator | pma++ |
| 17:05.17 | influx^^ | yeah |
| 17:07.21 | wps | yeah, looks like there isn't a way to drop them all in one strock |
| 17:07.23 | wps | stroke |
| 17:12.33 | dataw0lf | ugh, PMA |
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| 17:15.21 | mgeary | dataw0lf: what do you use? |
| 17:15.31 | mgeary | i like PMA because i only need to give access from host "localhost" |
| 17:15.43 | mgeary | which increases my db security |
| 17:16.19 | dataw0lf | I use Database Workbench |
| 17:16.35 | dataw0lf | and I use a firewall for network filtering, not the app itself |
| 17:16.55 | mgeary | not familiar with D.W. |
| 17:17.09 | dataw0lf | no, it's a Windows only app, I use crossover with it |
| 17:17.13 | mgeary | ah |
| 17:17.21 | dataw0lf | and I don't see how giving a web interface to your db increases your db sec |
| 17:17.30 | mgeary | heh, touche |
| 17:18.26 | beandog | its all about the icons. |
| 17:18.31 | beandog | the icons stand guard. |
| 17:18.39 | beandog | duh. |
| 17:20.20 | mindjuju | oh cool, i didn't know buckethead did the Goro song from MK |
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| 17:36.03 | wps | herlo, I go it to work |
| 17:36.09 | wps | very, very simple fix/change too |
| 17:36.25 | wps | all I did was change… |
| 17:36.36 | wps | $this->$function_name(); |
| 17:36.37 | wps | …to… |
| 17:36.45 | wps | $function_name(); |
| 17:37.38 | timinator | what was that for wps? |
| 17:37.57 | wps | I have a class that has functions inside of it |
| 17:38.09 | wps | one of those functions dynamically includes files with other functions in it |
| 17:38.27 | wps | I was having issues with the class being able to see the included functions |
| 17:38.44 | beandog | shouldnt be $this->$function, should be $this->function |
| 17:38.58 | wps | no, I want the function name to be dynamic |
| 17:39.31 | timinator | I see |
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| 17:57.13 | herlo | wps: but that means its *not* inside the class... |
| 17:57.23 | herlo | but if that's okay... |
| 18:08.58 | mgeary | ~avast |
| 18:08.58 | jbot | ACTION Avast, ye scurvy dogs, hoist the main sail! |
| 18:09.00 | mgeary | http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ |
| 18:18.43 | timinator | :( |
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| 19:12.53 | thebigdog | timinator? |
| 19:14.48 | mgeary | Girls With Messy Donuts? |
| 19:15.00 | jsmith | Great Weapons of Mass Distraction? |
| 19:15.12 | timinator | I'm here |
| 19:15.16 | jsmith | Gone with the Wind Marathon Dinner? |
| 19:15.20 | mgeary | Galapagos Winged Monitor Dragons |
| 19:15.27 | jsmith | mgeary: Good one! |
| 19:15.31 | mgeary | :) |
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| 19:38.22 | thebigdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.11 | thebigdog | ask yourself WWLJSPD |
| 19:39.46 | thebigdog | ~slap timinator |
| 19:39.46 | jbot | ACTION slaps timinator, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:39.52 | thebigdog | take that |
| 19:39.58 | thebigdog | cmcb timinator |
| 19:40.08 | mindjuju | MR Ducks |
| 19:40.11 | timinator | ~kick thebigdog |
| 19:40.12 | jbot | ACTION kicks thebigdog |
| 19:40.25 | timinator | MR Not Ducks |
| 19:40.25 | mindjuju | MR not |
| 19:40.36 | mindjuju | CM Wings ! |
| 19:40.42 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:40.46 | thebigdog | timinator = cbap |
| 19:40.53 | timinator | haven't heard that for years |
| 19:40.59 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 19:41.07 | mgeary | completely lost me |
| 19:41.26 | mindjuju | mgeary, say the letters M R |
| 19:41.34 | mindjuju | and then say the word Ducks |
| 19:41.37 | timinator | cbap == Coolest Bad Ass Programmer |
| 19:41.46 | mindjuju | MR Not Ducks |
| 19:42.01 | mindjuju | make more sense? |
| 19:42.25 | mgeary | "imarnotducks" |
| 19:42.34 | mgeary | nope |
| 19:42.50 | mindjuju | MR Ducks - translated - Them are ducks |
| 19:43.02 | mindjuju | MR Not Ducks - translated Them are not ducks |
| 19:43.09 | mgeary | well, yeah |
| 19:43.12 | mgeary | i could infer the latter there |
| 19:43.15 | PelaoFeliz | OSAR! CM EDBD wings! |
| 19:43.42 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 19:44.06 | mindjuju | brb |
| 19:44.33 | PelaoFeliz | yeah, I always did it with mice, so they could have EDBD feet |
| 19:44.41 | PelaoFeliz | LIB! MR Mice! |
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| 19:52.23 | cole_joplin | Well, I'm thinking the NewSDK may be Flex |
| 19:52.46 | cole_joplin | all the AJAX incompatability means nothing when a flash player has webkit inside it |
| 19:53.02 | cole_joplin | the AJAX environment is now completely predictable |
| 19:53.20 | cole_joplin | and cross platform to Mac/Win/Linux |
| 19:53.35 | cole_joplin | again, same web activity, totally predictable |
| 19:53.51 | cole_joplin | out of the hands of multiple browsers mucking up the AJAX |
| 19:54.05 | cole_joplin | the player has the webkit |
| 19:54.27 | cole_joplin | plus you can encapsulate the whole thing inside a big swf |
| 19:55.31 | cole_joplin | oh, and it's compiled |
| 19:55.51 | timinator | I think Flex and Flash is another sandbox, just like the example of Java Applets |
| 19:56.15 | timinator | not quite as bad, but still a sandbox |
| 19:56.20 | cole_joplin | true, but if the sandbox handles all your ajax, so what? |
| 19:56.49 | cole_joplin | if you want to touch the local hard drive, AIR is coming... |
| 19:57.07 | thebigdog | flex is becoming very popular in the java enterprise world |
| 19:57.09 | cole_joplin | His point is all about the application |
| 19:58.06 | cole_joplin | being portable and efficient |
| 19:58.47 | timinator | you've got some good points |
| 19:58.52 | cole_joplin | part of the popularity of flex is that your ajax is no longer a slave to Microsoft or Opera or Firefox |
| 19:58.54 | timinator | but it's still a sandbox |
| 19:59.00 | timinator | SEO is out |
| 19:59.03 | timinator | CSS is out |
| 19:59.14 | cole_joplin | um..css is in |
| 19:59.32 | timinator | hmmm... didn't realize that |
| 19:59.35 | thebigdog | flex loves css |
| 19:59.38 | cole_joplin | Google is going to do more on seo specs, but you are right |
| 20:00.08 | cole_joplin | and if you are doing an application, seo really isn't your main game |
| 20:00.20 | cole_joplin | some entry pages, yes, seo your heart out |
| 20:00.34 | cole_joplin | but for a predictable app, it's a viable alternative |
| 20:00.53 | cole_joplin | the flex front/ruby back is getting some momentum |
| 20:01.05 | cole_joplin | also php back |
| 20:01.51 | cole_joplin | The web browser environment is a sandbox |
| 20:02.23 | cole_joplin | only instead of the sandbox being 4' long, maybe it's the size of laguna Beach? |
| 20:03.02 | cole_joplin | the great thing about flash as an environment, is that 98% of the planet already has it installed |
| 20:03.18 | timinator | ya |
| 20:03.26 | timinator | don't have to wait for larger bandwidth |
| 20:03.34 | timinator | the stuff's installed as a plugin |
| 20:04.03 | timinator | that's a very viable possibility |
| 20:07.52 | thebigdog | flash still needs some work on the linux front imho |
| 20:08.20 | cole_joplin | yes, but at least it's their #1 priority |
| 20:08.31 | cole_joplin | can't say that about Microsoft |
| 20:08.56 | mindjuju | well, the thing i'm noticing is that devs are distracted with so many technologies showing promise, that i have a hard time believing that they will solidify under one banner |
| 20:09.09 | cole_joplin | one of the things I like is that it can really open up Linux desktops |
| 20:09.29 | mindjuju | and maybe universality will be the catalyst |
| 20:09.40 | mindjuju | knowing your stuff is going to work everywhere |
| 20:09.45 | mindjuju | don't know |
| 20:11.17 | cole_joplin | for what it's worth, flash is the most downloaded/installed piece of software in computer history |
| 20:11.34 | dataw0lf | unfortunately. |
| 20:11.47 | dataw0lf | I bet second is some sort of malware |
| 20:12.21 | mindjuju | well, it's ubiquity is valid, it is deployed everywhere. But where is the ubiquity in development to match? |
| 20:12.30 | mindjuju | how many storefronts use flash for ecom? |
| 20:12.55 | timinator | I think "universality" is the key..... right now we can so the stuff w/ various JS implementations, but we have to test on multiple browsers, multiple OS's, etc |
| 20:12.55 | mindjuju | don't get me wrong, i see flex as being powerful and answering a lot of questions |
| 20:12.58 | cole_joplin | up until Flex, the ability to make real apps was just not there |
| 20:13.06 | cole_joplin | Now that has changed |
| 20:13.14 | mindjuju | just don't know if it will be the answer to browser incompatiblity and universaility |
| 20:13.53 | cole_joplin | the fun part is it at least has a legitimate shot at it |
| 20:14.12 | mindjuju | v true that, the nearest competitor is Sliverlight and that's a laugh |
| 20:14.23 | mindjuju | even on their demo page at MS, the audio/video is out of sync |
| 20:14.30 | cole_joplin | the ability to do HD video and import Collada 3D standards, makes it exciting at least |
| 20:14.52 | mindjuju | and true, flv loses syncrho after 4 minutes, silverlight lost it after about 20 sec |
| 20:14.56 | cole_joplin | Silverlight...I remember BOB too |
| 20:15.56 | cole_joplin | I think MP4 is just the way to go |
| 20:16.10 | cole_joplin | I don't mind flv, but mp4 (especially h.264) is more like it |
| 20:16.22 | mgeary | anyone ever used PHP+GD to extract an alpha channel as a grayscale image? |
| 20:16.30 | cole_joplin | on player 9, the sync is much better |
| 20:16.52 | tierra | flv _can_ be (and often is these days) mp4 |
| 20:17.27 | cole_joplin | yea...geee..no Real Player fans out there/ |
| 20:18.14 | mindjuju | with the ability to steal flv and other file types, i thought it would jump to some measure of market share, but it was a flash and then gone |
| 20:18.30 | mindjuju | haven't seen an article on Real in a LONG time |
| 20:19.15 | tierra | Real was awesome back in the day... around maybe '96-'97 or so |
| 20:19.27 | mindjuju | yeah, then became bloatware |
| 20:19.41 | tierra | it was the only solution to streaming video |
| 20:20.04 | mindjuju | yeah, we had a real streaming server here up until a littl ehwile ago |
| 20:20.19 | tierra | and they did a really great job getting the best encoding to work with 56k speeds |
| 20:20.39 | tierra | but yeah, it's been downhill since then |
| 20:23.45 | mindjuju | with flair |
| 20:24.33 | mgeary | speaking of bloatware... Adobe Acrobat Profession v. 8 |
| 20:24.35 | mgeary | ugh |
| 20:24.55 | mindjuju | yeah, nearly 30mb download where 28 of it is bloat |
| 20:25.03 | mgeary | Preview++ |
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| 20:26.18 | timinator | Preview++ |
| 20:26.18 | mgeary | so, back to the Q ^, no one's ever tried to extract the alpha channel from a 32-bit PNG graphic? |
| 20:26.36 | mgeary | ..without having to do it pixel-by-pixel |
| 20:26.53 | timinator | not I mgeary |
| 20:26.59 | mindjuju | me neither |
| 20:27.31 | mindjuju | the only thing i can do is rotate, crop, watermakr, thumbnail and a couple other things through imagemagick |
| 20:41.21 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, I'd be surprised if imagemagick couldn't do it. |
| 20:41.36 | PoeticIntensity | imagemagick is the swiss army knife of image manipulation. |
| 20:41.48 | mgeary | can't put IM on this server at the moment |
| 20:41.50 | mgeary | but GD is there |
| 20:42.41 | PoeticIntensity | don't know jack about gd. |
| 20:42.45 | mindjuju | for any techno files out there, the song Two Telephone calls and an air raid is awesome |
| 20:42.54 | mindjuju | oops, meant technoPhiles |
| 20:42.56 | PoeticIntensity | I was using imagemagick before I even knew gd was an option... and for all I know, it probably wasn't at the time. |
| 20:44.34 | timinator | mindjuju: you have an mp3? |
| 20:44.54 | timinator | thebigdog rocks |
| 20:44.58 | mindjuju | yeah, you likey the techno? stay away from thebigdog , he no likey |
| 20:45.26 | thebigdog | techno is dead |
| 20:45.45 | mindjuju | ~lart Pantera and GWAR |
| 20:45.45 | jbot | eats Pantera and GWAR's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 20:45.54 | mindjuju | flawless! |
| 20:46.13 | thebigdog | ~yell GWAR |
| 20:47.51 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:48.06 | timinator | are you making fun, thebigdog?!?! |
| 20:48.10 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 20:48.10 | jbot | nukes thebigdog with a single large nuke |
| 20:48.14 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 20:48.18 | timinator | ty jbot |
| 20:48.42 | timinator | I like things besides techno |
| 20:49.13 | timinator | but I like techno too |
| 20:49.27 | timinator | I wanna make you move thebigdog |
| 21:00.09 | timinator | while($thebigdog=="Paralyzed") { struck("you"); } |
| 21:00.34 | timinator | is that a "paralyzed loop"??? |
| 21:01.25 | mindjuju | while($thebigdog=="Paralyzed") { BirdPoop("smelly", liquidy", "head"); } |
| 21:01.43 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:01.57 | beandog | :) |
| 21:02.11 | mindjuju | poor thebigdog |
| 21:06.25 | beandog | ~love thebigdog |
| 21:06.25 | jbot | If you love thebigdog so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 21:06.30 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:07.22 | orsonj | ~give thebigdog a blooming onion covered in garlic and an assortment of hot spices. |
| 21:07.23 | jbot | ACTION gives a blooming onion covered in garlic and an assortment of hot spices. to thebigdog |
| 21:10.28 | unum | so I'm adding a date range to a database on a server with an older version of php |
| 21:10.36 | timinator | mmmmm..... blooming onion |
| 21:10.55 | timinator | goes perfectly with an Outback Ribeye - Medium Rare |
| 21:11.03 | timinator | mmmmmm |
| 21:11.11 | herlo | check this out: http://www.slickdeals.net/?permadeal=10282#direct_deal_10282 |
| 21:11.11 | unum | I've been using strtotime to convert it to a time stamp then loop through it using $date=$date+24*60*60 |
| 21:11.36 | unum | the I convert it back using date('Y-m-d',$date) |
| 21:11.38 | orsonj | my eyes water just thinking about it. (or is that just the cold I recently caught?) |
| 21:11.45 | orsonj | good though. |
| 21:12.20 | unum | is there a better way to do this in php 4? |
| 21:14.45 | timinator | what's the code look like |
| 21:16.18 | unum | for($date=$startdate;$date<=$enddate;$date=$date+(24 * 60 * 60) |
| 21:16.30 | unum | ){ |
| 21:18.47 | timinator | well, you could convert to a timestamp first, then add 86400 each round |
| 21:19.19 | unum | that's what I'm doing |
| 21:19.50 | unum | 24*60*60=86400 I'm running into an issue |
| 21:20.10 | timinator | what's the issue? |
| 21:20.11 | unum | I thought it might be that 86400 wasn't right, but all my research indicates it is |
| 21:20.21 | unum | I end up trying to insert a date twice |
| 21:20.32 | unum | after about two months |
| 21:26.45 | unum | sure enough it give two october 29ths |
| 21:26.47 | unum | http://unum5.org/test.phps |
| 21:29.21 | timinator | I use strtotime() a lot, but I always use "Y/m/d H:i:s" format |
| 21:29.38 | timinator | try it with a 10:00:00 after each date |
| 21:29.55 | timinator | ex: $startdate=strtotime("2006-09-01 10:00:00"); |
| 21:30.37 | timinator | oh, I use "Y-m-d H:i:s" format, not "Y/m/d H:i:s" |
| 21:30.40 | unum | I wonder if it will still end up wrong evntually |
| 21:31.00 | unum | that seems to fix my immediate problem |
| 21:31.08 | unum | oh well I think I can move over to php 5 soon |
| 21:31.36 | Utah_Dave | unum: make sure you're also comparing the correct hour |
| 21:31.39 | timinator | well, you're comparing a "Y-m-d" string ($date) to a timestamp |
| 21:31.47 | Utah_Dave | oh, I guess that's what timinator is talking about |
| 21:32.26 | unum | I figured it just picked 00:00:00 |
| 21:33.50 | timinator | never mind my last comment, I misread the code |
| 21:36.34 | Utah_Dave | try using date and mktime to add or subtract days instead |
| 21:36.54 | Utah_Dave | they're more accurate and take into account wrapping across years, leap years, etc |
| 21:37.01 | Utah_Dave | http://php.net/date |
| 21:37.12 | Utah_Dave | Example 438 |
| 21:47.38 | unum | aaah |
| 21:47.53 | unum | 10/29 is daylight saving switch over now isn't it? |
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| 21:55.04 | orsonj | that sets a to false and doesn't touch b,c or d. |
| 22:04.35 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 22:04.40 | beandog | vb sucks. |
| 22:04.42 | beandog | dont assume anything. |
| 22:05.00 | Utah_Dave | unum: that's why it's nice to use date and mktime, because they take daylight savings and all that into account when doing date manipulations |
| 22:09.22 | orsonj | good call, I assumed vb was a programming language |
| 22:10.09 | orsonj | I think it may be a batch file with a couple extensions |
| 22:18.36 | unum | Utah_Dave: I knew my method was wrong but I didn't realize I could use mktime instead, so thanks |
| 22:24.02 | bradym | filezilla3-- |
| 22:24.53 | bradym | the newest version of filezilla has fewer features and is less secure "by design" because "it's the job of the OS to protect config files" so now all passwords are stored in plain text... |
| 22:25.15 | bradym | friggin retards |
| 22:25.27 | beandog | buh |
| 22:25.33 | beandog | job of the OS |
| 22:25.37 | beandog | And its written for Windows .. |
| 22:25.42 | beandog | that inspires confidence |
| 22:25.44 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:25.45 | bradym | yeah |
| 22:25.46 | bradym | exactly |
| 22:28.00 | SunSparc | Javascript question: would not this be correct onclick="javascript:document.getElementById['searchForm'].submit();" if the for tag has <form id="searchForm">? |
| 22:29.55 | bradym | SunSparc: change your square brackets to parenthesis |
| 22:29.58 | PoeticIntensity | use parenths. |
| 22:30.05 | PoeticIntensity | not brack.... ah... |
| 22:30.08 | PoeticIntensity | what bradym said :) |
| 22:30.44 | SunSparc | beauty! |
| 22:30.46 | SunSparc | Thanks |
| 22:31.54 | SunSparc | Been working with arrays too long. :) |
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| 22:34.17 | wps | i love arrays |
| 22:34.24 | wps | classes suck |
| 22:34.26 | wps | arrays rock |
| 22:34.36 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 22:34.38 | beandog | what? |
| 22:34.39 | beandog | classes rock |
| 22:34.48 | beandog | nothing but love for classes |
| 22:34.51 | beandog | ~love baby |
| 22:34.52 | jbot | If you love baby so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 22:34.53 | SunSparc | I do not think that one is exclusive of the other. |
| 22:35.29 | bradym | i sure hope not |
| 22:35.31 | bradym | :) |
| 22:38.41 | mgeary | okay, can anyone shed insight on this: |
| 22:39.03 | mgeary | 1) load an PNG graphic with an alpha channel via imagecreatefrompng() |
| 22:39.19 | mgeary | 2) output that image via imgpng() straight to the browser |
| 22:39.34 | mgeary | the alpha channel is turned black. i've tried imagealphablending($base_image,false); |
| 22:39.38 | mgeary | i've tried imagealphablending($base_image,true); |
| 22:39.47 | mgeary | nothing has any effect |
| 22:42.37 | _psychic_ | don't you have to specify which color is transparent? |
| 22:42.48 | mgeary | you shouldn't if the alpha is *already there* |
| 22:42.49 | mgeary | right? |
| 22:42.59 | mgeary | i mean for a new image, that's needed |
| 22:43.06 | mgeary | but it shouldn't be for an existing image |
| 22:43.34 | _psychic_ | you could force it just to see if it helps :) |
| 22:43.58 | mgeary | dh |
| 22:43.59 | mgeary | doh |
| 22:44.04 | mgeary | imageSaveAlpha() |
| 22:44.14 | mgeary | that'll do the trick :) |
| 22:44.55 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 22:48.29 | mgeary | gotta head out. later folks |
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| 22:59.48 | SunSparc | I am off to watch RSL beat Galaxy!!! |
| 23:01.47 | timinator | I'm out too.... later guys |
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