| 06:59.25 | influx^^ | sup doodz |
| 07:08.10 | influx^^ | :( |
| 07:08.18 | influx^^ | hello herlo |
| 07:09.38 | herlo | influx^^: hola. And adios. Time for beddy-bye |
| 07:10.05 | influx^^ | kk |
| 07:10.07 | influx^^ | good night |
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| 14:46.45 | thebigdog | whatz up all |
| 14:47.04 | thebigdog | lunch was great for all who attended |
| 14:47.09 | timinator | mornin' bigdog |
| 14:47.10 | jsmith | thebigdog: I'd say "not much", but that would be a lie |
| 14:47.26 | thebigdog | jsmith, i got a bone to pick with you :) |
| 14:47.32 | jsmith | thebigdog: w00t! |
| 14:47.36 | jsmith | thebigdog: What's up? |
| 14:47.45 | mindjuju | oh yeah! i was just going to say thebigdog had question for jsmith |
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| 14:56.36 | mindjuju | hey, what was the name of that music genome place that could predict the types of music you liked |
| 14:56.45 | orsonj | pandora? |
| 14:56.51 | mindjuju | oh yeah, pandora |
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| 14:59.53 | orsonj | welcome brast1 |
| 15:01.22 | mindjuju | good call |
| 15:01.24 | brast1 | thank you orsonj. you also answered a question before i asked it... i think i stayed logged on at home and wasn't sure if my client logged me on as brast1 or brasto... |
| 15:01.46 | brast1 | is there a /whoami type command for irc |
| 15:01.47 | brast1 | ? |
| 15:02.23 | thebigdog | brast1, what info you need |
| 15:03.26 | brast1 | well i know i'm bras1 right now instead of brasto because thebigdog and orsonj have told me, but i wonder if there's a way for me to ask the irc server. |
| 15:03.37 | mindjuju | pandora.com has this errie way of knowing what music you like, and can even predict what you'd like to hear next, with a great deal of accuracy |
| 15:03.44 | mindjuju | yeah, you are showing up as brast1 |
| 15:03.53 | mindjuju | brast1 , all you need to do is nick yourself |
| 15:03.54 | mindjuju | like this |
| 15:04.20 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.25 | mindjuju | but take spaces out |
| 15:04.32 | mindjuju | it'll ask you for pass and you'll be brasto |
| 15:04.45 | mindjuju | if you've registered brasto, that is |
| 15:05.16 | brast1 | i've aliased brast1 so, the password ought to still be there... am i still brast1? |
| 15:05.17 | jsmith | "/msg nickserv ghost" is your friend |
| 15:06.19 | thebigdog | brast1, what client are you using...you should see your nick |
| 15:06.24 | orsonj | my irc client shows my nick next to the channel name. you could also check the list of nicks in the channel. |
| 15:06.27 | brast1 | jsmith, would "/msg nickserv ghost" kick my current nick? |
| 15:06.50 | brast1 | my list of nicks shows my friendly name: Brandon Stout |
| 15:06.52 | jsmith | brast1: Yup... |
| 15:07.08 | orsonj | or if all else fails, you can: /me looks at his nametag |
| 15:07.27 | jsmith | Or, even better, you could do "/msg nickserv link" to link your two nicks together |
| 15:07.53 | brast1 | i can't switch to brasto then, probably because I stayed logged in at home by mistake... |
| 15:08.57 | brast1 | jsmith, i've linked brasto, brast1, brasto_, _brasto, _brasto_, brasto_away, brastoaway, and brasto1away |
| 15:10.00 | jsmith | Then use "ghost" to take over that nick |
| 15:10.05 | thebigdog | yep |
| 15:10.20 | brast1 | ok, I '/msg nickserv ghost'-ed 'brasto', now i'll try to switch |
| 15:10.40 | brast1 | btw, /me doesn't do anything??? |
| 15:11.03 | thebigdog | /me <- name |
| 15:11.58 | brast1 | am i brasto now? |
| 15:12.28 | brast1 | ***Brandon Stout does a /me command |
| 15:12.34 | brast1 | that's what I get... |
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| 15:12.43 | thebigdog | haha check your configuration on that |
| 15:12.48 | brast1 | ah, i bet i have an alias in the client... |
| 15:12.54 | thebigdog | yep |
| 15:13.08 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog strikes again. |
| 15:13.12 | brast1 | like i really need to know who _i_ am... |
| 15:13.17 | PoeticIntensity | mornin' all. |
| 15:13.23 | thebigdog | morning |
| 15:13.44 | mindjuju | morning PoeticIntensity |
| 15:13.46 | brast1 | morn' |
| 15:14.02 | brast1 | ~goodmorning PoeticIntensity |
| 15:14.50 | mindjuju | there are a billion others |
| 15:14.55 | mindjuju | ~mondays brast1 |
| 15:14.55 | jbot | ACTION says looks like brast1 's got a case of the Mondays |
| 15:15.03 | mindjuju | ~morning brast1 |
| 15:15.04 | jbot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping brast1 in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 15:15.05 | brast1 | ~morning PoeticIntensity |
| 15:15.06 | jbot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping PoeticIntensity in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 15:15.19 | brast1 | lol |
| 15:15.25 | PoeticIntensity | now brast1, was that really necessary? |
| 15:15.32 | PoeticIntensity | I mean.... one Monday morning per week is bad enough. |
| 15:15.52 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart brast1 |
| 15:15.52 | jbot | throws brast1's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 15:17.20 | mindjuju | Everything I read |
| 15:17.20 | mindjuju | Is in a Firefox tab |
| 15:17.20 | mindjuju | What have I come to? |
| 15:18.10 | mindjuju | hmm... that doesn't seem quite right, i think haiku is 5,7,5 -- not 4,7,5 |
| 15:18.43 | mindjuju | and now that i REALLY look at it, it's more 4,6,5 |
| 15:18.55 | orsonj | e-very-thing? |
| 15:19.04 | orsonj | fi-re-fox? |
| 15:19.07 | thebigdog | y |
| 15:19.09 | orsonj | perhaps a bit of a stretch |
| 15:19.28 | mindjuju | you're prolly right orsonj |
| 15:21.25 | orsonj | cool, they have the cd on emusic. |
| 15:26.04 | mindjuju | k, i'm ready to read a haiku of my own writing |
| 15:26.57 | mindjuju | if (today = "Monday"){ |
| 15:26.57 | mindjuju | alert("go back to bed and hide"); |
| 15:26.57 | mindjuju | wake up = Tuesday;} |
| 15:27.19 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity -- do you like? |
| 15:27.23 | mindjuju | it's 5,7,5 |
| 15:27.47 | mindjuju | the = sign counts |
| 15:29.24 | mindjuju | yeah! |
| 15:32.07 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you around? |
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| 16:11.37 | influx^^ | mornin', fellows |
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| 16:17.12 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 16:17.12 | jbot | ACTION calls Beth to stake out thebigdog |
| 16:18.27 | wps | beth? |
| 16:18.36 | wps | who's beth? |
| 16:18.46 | mindjuju | beth is dog the bounty hunters wife |
| 16:18.47 | orsonj | I don't know, but the nick is already in use |
| 16:19.04 | mindjuju | so, APB is based on the dog show |
| 16:19.08 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 16:19.09 | jbot | ACTION hires Duane Lee to find thebigdog |
| 16:20.54 | mindjuju | hmmm... i guess not so many dog the bounty hunter fans here |
| 16:21.19 | beandog | thats a great show |
| 16:23.06 | mindjuju | yeah, i think its pretty cool, but don't get to watch it often enough |
| 16:30.27 | influx^^ | :) |
| 16:31.24 | mindjuju | i'm on the DJ Baby Anne Station, and they up and play The Silence - Mike Koglin (mix of depeche mode Enjoy the Silence) -- this is like in my top 3 of all time, super crazy ultra favorite songs |
| 16:42.59 | mgeary | 10k Maniacs has a great cover of "Don't Go Back to Rockville" |
| 16:44.12 | mindjuju | 10k maniacs is awesome |
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| 16:49.30 | mindjuju | but i'm currently facinated/scared by pandora.com |
| 16:50.11 | mindjuju | it's playing "go" by DJ Baby Anne (not remake of song by same name by Moby) |
| 16:50.14 | SunSparc | mindjuju: You think that Pandora is reading your mind, don't you? |
| 16:50.21 | influx^^ | doesn't it? |
| 16:50.27 | SunSparc | influx^^: Yes |
| 16:50.34 | mindjuju | well, i'm wearing a tinfoil skull cap right now |
| 16:50.36 | influx^^ | thought so |
| 16:50.42 | mindjuju | and i'm working in a faraday cage |
| 16:50.44 | influx^^ | mindjuju: wrong end |
| 16:51.13 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Just look at it as a feature. Nevermind the invasive voodoo aspect of it. |
| 16:51.56 | mindjuju | where's Scully when you need her? |
| 16:52.18 | SunSparc | Spending time with Mulder. |
| 16:52.43 | mindjuju | i loved that series up until season 7 |
| 16:52.53 | mindjuju | then it jumped track, IMHO |
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| 16:55.53 | SunSparc | Then the movie came out |
| 16:56.00 | mindjuju | like what the general themes of the xfiles were, or external influences that affected the series? |
| 16:56.04 | mindjuju | not sure scope of question |
| 16:56.16 | beandog | X-Files was good while there was the whole question of were there really aliens |
| 16:56.20 | beandog | or are people just psychotic |
| 16:56.27 | beandog | but when there definately were aliens, it just got boring. |
| 16:57.27 | influx^^ | It has failed me a couple of times, but has done well in general. |
| 16:57.54 | mindjuju | yeah, that's about where i seem to get lost. i always get see fragments of this one episode where Scully is in Africa and sees a spaceship on the shore hidden under some sand or something |
| 16:58.01 | mindjuju | never got to see the whole episode |
| 16:58.52 | dataw0lf | I liked X-Files when it was compartmentalized stories, rather than a long story arc |
| 16:59.16 | mindjuju | true that, like the episode Humbug (fuji mermaid) |
| 16:59.19 | mindjuju | that one was awesome |
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| 17:00.31 | beandog | either way, they sure beat the crap out of the dead horse to get a few more seasons done |
| 17:00.56 | SunSparc | I like the episode where Mulder and Scully found a genie and Fox made a wish. |
| 17:01.13 | mindjuju | i've wanted to go back and redo seasons 7,8,9 |
| 17:01.14 | SunSparc | Then everyone disappeared. |
| 17:01.26 | mindjuju | don't think i saw that one, sunsparc |
| 17:01.59 | beandog | what season did Mulder leave? |
| 17:02.09 | beandog | and I heard a rumor that another movie is in the works? |
| 17:02.10 | SunSparc | Another cool one was the Halloween one the did one year where they were investigating a house that was haunted and the ghosts were trying to kill them. |
| 17:02.17 | beandog | SunSparc, that one was funky |
| 17:02.22 | SunSparc | beandog: I hear that too. |
| 17:02.26 | SunSparc | Yeah, is was. |
| 17:02.43 | beandog | the alien abduction ones were great |
| 17:03.18 | beandog | hmm, imdb doesnt say anything about a new movie |
| 17:04.55 | mindjuju | mulder left at end of season 7, if i recall |
| 17:05.03 | mindjuju | here is wiki on new movie |
| 17:05.03 | mindjuju | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_X-Files_Sequel |
| 17:10.52 | beandog | how many seasons were there |
| 17:10.57 | mindjuju | 9 |
| 17:45.01 | mgeary | RIP Robert Jordan :( |
| 17:45.13 | mgeary | aka James Oliver Rigney Jr |
| 17:50.12 | mindjuju | This 80's flashback is brought to you by Wendy's! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NfkH3Q4JOQ |
| 18:04.58 | mindjuju | yeah, good show |
| 18:05.21 | mindjuju | good simple plot, decent acting, kung fu |
| 18:05.42 | mindjuju | and elizabeth whatHerFace too boot |
| 18:05.49 | mindjuju | shire, shure, something like that |
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| 18:38.09 | wps | speaking of 80's |
| 18:38.17 | wps | the noodles that I am eating for lunch look like wrist bands |
| 18:38.48 | mindjuju | ah wrist bands |
| 18:40.18 | mindjuju | wow, it looks like Media Defender really took it in the jimmies over the weekend. I wonder if they will survive? |
| 18:41.53 | wps | what's that? |
| 18:42.52 | mindjuju | Media Defender is a company that actively targets file sharing on p2p networks. well, an employee was moving emails from corporate email server to gmail (around 700mb) and those emails were captured and exposed on internet |
| 18:42.52 | mindjuju | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070916-leaked-media-defender-e-mails-reveal-secret-government-project.html |
| 18:43.17 | mindjuju | significant damage to company occurred on multiple levels |
| 18:43.54 | mindjuju | release of internal email addys, wage info on employees, ssn info, company strategy, company deals, you name it |
| 18:44.01 | mindjuju | it seems to have all been in those emails |
| 18:44.36 | mindjuju | i'm actually in process of distilling that into talking points and renewing our company's commitment to IT policy |
| 18:45.34 | mindjuju | while i don't personally care for Media Defender, the lessons learned from this are v significant |
| 18:49.46 | wps | wow |
| 18:50.45 | mindjuju | yeah, course the more you read into what happened, the more it seems likely that there is a hacker in the system as there is a leaked VOIP phone call between mediadefender and their attorneys just out on Sunday |
| 18:50.52 | mindjuju | this email leak happened on Friday night |
| 18:51.22 | mindjuju | though i'd personally would warn anybody to stay away from the phone call |
| 18:51.42 | mindjuju | as it is v likely to be protected by client-attorney privilege |
| 18:58.26 | mgeary | that only regulates what the attorney is allowed to disclose |
| 18:58.57 | mgeary | but i'm happy to sit back and let the interesting nuggets bubble to the top |
| 18:59.04 | mgeary | and read the news aggregators |
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| 19:00.22 | mindjuju | true, but i think that any attempt to break the confidentiality of c-a are illegal |
| 19:00.32 | mindjuju | not sure though as not an attorney |
| 19:02.50 | mgeary | yeah, me neither |
| 19:03.47 | mindjuju | wow, good reason to stay away from WoW or WoW inspired dating - http://www.dailygaming.net/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=8 |
| 19:05.20 | mgeary | this should have been the tip-off: |
| 19:05.21 | mgeary | "Chelxai informed the guild that she might have to leave the game permanently because she lost her job at Hooter's" |
| 19:05.40 | mgeary | *ever |
| 19:05.50 | influx^^ | hahaha |
| 19:06.01 | influx^^ | sad |
| 19:06.47 | wps | people need to go outside |
| 19:07.50 | influx^^ | <jab questioning existence of anything outside the office> |
| 19:10.15 | dataw0lf | I know several extremely attractive women who play WoW regularly |
| 19:10.27 | dataw0lf | unfortunately, the fact that they play WoW makes them instantly unattractive to me. |
| 19:10.33 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:10.46 | mindjuju | what about if they played Halo? |
| 19:11.22 | dataw0lf | that's completely different. |
| 19:12.17 | mindjuju | what kind of girl do you look for dataw0lf ? |
| 19:15.55 | dataw0lf | petite, cute girls who have astonishing intellects |
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| 19:19.39 | herlo | dataw0lf: how many intellects? |
| 19:19.59 | thebigdog | im attractive cause i play wow |
| 19:20.18 | thebigdog | well then again..im always attractive cause im thebigdog |
| 19:22.30 | dataw0lf | herlo: I used plural because I was speaking of more than one woman |
| 19:22.56 | influx^^ | proper grammar ftw |
| 19:23.16 | dataw0lf | holla |
| 19:23.38 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Is that really you? I thought we'd lost ya... |
| 19:23.48 | dataw0lf | indeed sir |
| 19:23.49 | dataw0lf | how goes it |
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| 19:24.27 | dataw0lf | jsmith: had appendicitis, 'twasn't fun. |
| 19:25.15 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Been there, done that. Fourth of July. |
| 19:25.17 | dataw0lf | I'm seeing several new faces, although I have yet to witness them speak |
| 19:25.24 | dataw0lf | jsmith: no kidding? this year? |
| 19:25.30 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yup... did yours rupture? |
| 19:25.43 | dataw0lf | jsmith: nope, thank gosh |
| 19:26.02 | dataw0lf | jsmith: I presume yours did? |
| 19:28.16 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Almost... but we caught it in time. 3:00am on the 4th of July... right as I was supposed to be putting down flooring in my dining room. |
| 19:28.36 | dataw0lf | wow |
| 19:31.00 | dataw0lf | well, I'm glad you're ok. How long were you hospitalized? |
| 19:36.38 | jsmith | Three days |
| 19:37.06 | jsmith | Anesthesia always throws me for a terrible loop... so the first two days weren't fun at all |
| 19:37.17 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 19:37.28 | jsmith | After that, I went from awful to great in about two hours |
| 19:37.33 | dataw0lf | my fever got so high I was hallucinating |
| 19:37.54 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 19:37.59 | mindjuju | jk |
| 19:38.17 | dataw0lf | I tried jumping out of my sister's car because I thought there were "witches" in the backseat |
| 19:38.25 | dataw0lf | apparently, anyways, I don't remember much |
| 19:38.28 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Maybe there were! |
| 19:38.34 | dataw0lf | yea, that's what I'm saying! |
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| 19:38.56 | dataw0lf | "hallucinations" ? Nah, I call it "moment of lucidity" |
| 20:00.02 | timinator | BRB |
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| 20:17.36 | mgeary | anyone have any good tips on debugging javascript in IE? i can't even find any way to view a JS console... |
| 20:18.26 | mgeary | searching in the IE7 help files for "javascript" produces ONE hit |
| 20:18.37 | mgeary | "what should you do about IE script errors?" |
| 20:18.45 | mgeary | the answer is to turn off script debugging. hah |
| 20:19.35 | unum | I got a third party plugin |
| 20:19.41 | mgeary | what is it? |
| 20:20.30 | unum | I uninstalled it, it was nagware |
| 20:20.42 | unum | I can't remember what it was called |
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| 20:32.16 | mgeary | ugh |
| 21:01.33 | dataw0lf | http://www.jonathanboutelle.com/mt/archives/2006/01/howto_debug_jav.html <-- mgeary |
| 21:02.23 | timinator | hey guys |
| 21:02.34 | timinator | I've got 2 tables |
| 21:02.49 | timinator | lets say t1 and t2 |
| 21:03.14 | timinator | so, I'm looking for rows from t1, that don't have a listing in t2 |
| 21:03.40 | timinator | T1 has an auto_increment called `id` |
| 21:03.59 | timinator | so, t2 has a field called `order_id` |
| 21:04.35 | dataw0lf | use a sub select and NOT EXISTS |
| 21:04.46 | timinator | ah |
| 21:04.53 | fungus | select t1.* from t1 left join t2 on t1.id = t2.order_id WHERE t2.order_id is null |
| 21:05.26 | fungus | or use a sub select. :) |
| 21:06.01 | timinator | but fungus, there won't be any rows in t2 to join, that's been my hangup |
| 21:06.14 | fungus | Right that is why you use a left join |
| 21:06.25 | timinator | k, trying |
| 21:06.39 | fungus | the right table t2, will be a row of all NULLs to join to it. |
| 21:10.09 | herlo | sfd |
| 21:10.25 | timinator | asl |
| 21:10.44 | timinator | ftp |
| 21:10.46 | timinator | php |
| 21:11.52 | fungus | select * from t1 where not exists (select t2.order_id from t2 where t2.order_id = t1.id) |
| 21:15.01 | timinator | wow... that first query maxed out the CPU..... mysql was at >140% (of 2 CPUs) |
| 21:15.28 | timinator | :) |
| 21:16.49 | timinator | j/k fungus ....geez |
| 21:16.58 | fungus | lol |
| 21:19.28 | PelaoFeliz | do you have indexes on t2.order_id and t1.id? |
| 21:24.30 | timinator | yes |
| 21:24.50 | timinator | t1.id is a primary, t2.order_id is indexed |
| 21:25.17 | thebigdog | try outer join to |
| 21:25.31 | PelaoFeliz | what's the explain look like? |
| 21:25.49 | timinator | explain? |
| 21:26.00 | timinator | thebigdog: will do |
| 21:26.03 | fungus | explain select .... |
| 21:26.38 | thebigdog | fungus has the query |
| 21:27.40 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join_%28SQL%29 |
| 21:28.09 | thebigdog | now if you want to be very selected then do a subselect like mentioned |
| 21:28.19 | thebigdog | depends on the data you want returned |
| 21:28.19 | mgeary | dataw0lf: yeah, i found that, but i've got Office installed and IE doesn't "see" it. i figured that the blog entry was old enough that it might not be relevant anymore... |
| 21:31.23 | brasto | i remember a discussion some time ago in which someone provided a link to download the software that powers sourceforge.net... anyone know where I can download it? |
| 21:31.45 | brasto | it was probably a project management discussion... |
| 21:32.13 | brasto | ~brastolert brasto |
| 21:32.48 | brasto | ~brastalert brasto |
| 21:35.33 | *** join/#uphpu gibba[w] (n=gibbagib@209-253-35-18.ip.mcleodusa.net) |
| 21:37.37 | brasto | ~brastolook brasto |
| 21:37.38 | jbot | ACTION looks at wps, thebigdog, mindjuju, macnewbold, and fungus, thinking surely one of them knows the answer to brasto's question... |
| 21:37.55 | brasto | ah... that's what i called it... :) |
| 21:38.52 | PoeticIntensity | take it back, fungus, it's technologically and algorithmically impossible for our beloved jbot to be allegedly "annoying". |
| 21:39.23 | wps | jbot, go to sleep |
| 21:39.24 | jbot | ACTION falls to the floor where he's standing and goes into a deep sleep |
| 21:44.01 | wps | array_shift($brasto['limbs']); |
| 21:44.21 | fungus | unset($jbot); |
| 21:44.51 | fungus | ~whaleslap PoeticIntensity |
| 21:44.52 | jbot | ACTION beats PoeticIntensity upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 21:44.55 | wps | :) |
| 21:46.06 | wps | tonight is a perfect night for a barbecue |
| 21:46.37 | timinator | dataw0lf, fungus, thebigdog, PelaoFeliz: Got it with your help, thank you! |
| 21:47.32 | timinator | another question for you guys |
| 21:47.38 | mgeary | hey, i've got sendmail (ugh) sending emails from apache@localhost.localhost. Where/how do i need to configure things so that the sending domain is "real"? is this a sendmail issue or a "hosts" issue? |
| 21:48.07 | timinator | any way to find the longest string in a table's text field? |
| 21:48.47 | wps | with just SQL? |
| 21:48.55 | timinator | cause MAX() is a mathematical function, right? |
| 21:49.23 | timinator | ya .....well, I could do it in PHP, but I'm wondering if there's a MAX() like function |
| 21:49.54 | timinator | SELECT LONGEST(`jack`) FROM t2 |
| 21:50.09 | beandog | timinator, in mysql? |
| 21:50.14 | timinator | yes, mysql |
| 21:50.16 | PoeticIntensity | there's gotta be a count_char function.... |
| 21:50.16 | beandog | max(len(col)) |
| 21:50.21 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... len. |
| 21:50.22 | brasto | timinator, yes, there is |
| 21:50.24 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, woot |
| 21:50.29 | timinator | nice, thx guys |
| 21:50.47 | mgeary | anyone have any insights on that sendmail/host issue? it's kind of urgent :/ |
| 21:50.56 | PoeticIntensity | it's all in the typing, brasto , all in the typing. |
| 21:50.57 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:50.59 | mgeary | i'm weak on "host" stuff |
| 21:50.59 | brasto | lol |
| 21:51.10 | beandog | mgeary, whats wrong |
| 21:51.12 | brasto | oops... i meant: |
| 21:51.14 | mgeary | ^^ |
| 21:51.17 | mgeary | hey, i've got sendmail (ugh) sending emails from apache@localhost.localhost. Where/how do i need to configure things so that the sending domain is "real"? is this a sendmail issue or a "hosts" issue? |
| 21:51.20 | _psychic_ | what's the system's configured hostname? |
| 21:51.26 | beandog | mgeary, sendmail |
| 21:51.58 | mgeary | _psychic_: when i type "hostname" i just get localhost |
| 21:52.44 | mgeary | beandog: do you know how to set the hostname in sendmail? |
| 21:52.55 | wps | it's a system setting, isn't it? |
| 21:53.08 | beandog | wps, yes, but you can override it in sendmail.cf |
| 21:53.13 | wps | ah |
| 21:53.15 | beandog | mgeary, no, I havent setup sendmail in years. :( |
| 21:53.24 | wps | I'm trying to remember, mgeary |
| 21:53.31 | wps | I had the same problem and had to get that set up on my box |
| 21:53.33 | _psychic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.33 | wps | I'm using sendmail |
| 21:53.52 | wps | hmm… not /etc/hostname on my box |
| 21:53.56 | wps | file doesn't exist |
| 21:54.06 | _psychic_ | mgeary: what kind of system is this? |
| 21:54.11 | mgeary | FC |
| 21:54.15 | beandog | mgeary, wanna pastebin your sendmail config? |
| 21:54.25 | beandog | or just use webmin? :) |
| 21:54.47 | mgeary | beandog: all 1823 lines of it? |
| 21:54.59 | *** join/#uphpu eco (n=eco@gnuk.net) |
| 21:54.59 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v eco] by ChanServ |
| 21:55.02 | mgeary | aah |
| 21:55.07 | mgeary | # my official domain name |
| 21:55.07 | mgeary | # ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain |
| 21:55.07 | mgeary | #Dj$w.Foo.COM |
| 21:55.45 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/19916/ |
| 21:56.09 | beandog | mgeary, confcat to the rescue |
| 21:56.20 | mgeary | never heard of it |
| 21:56.38 | fungus | Eeek, don't hack on the sendmail.cf file. |
| 21:56.46 | fungus | Your brain will as-plode |
| 21:56.48 | _psychic_ | m4 is your friend |
| 21:57.03 | beandog | http://rafb.net/p/oxGqSF19.html |
| 21:57.05 | beandog | confcat ^^ |
| 21:57.17 | mgeary | aah |
| 21:57.18 | mgeary | cool |
| 21:57.25 | wps | found it! |
| 21:57.26 | timinator | I'm getting an error when using len(), so I searched mysql.com and found this: len() Returns the number of query packets in the queue. |
| 21:57.31 | wps | mine is in /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 21:57.32 | mgeary | i believe it's this code: |
| 21:57.39 | mgeary | C{w}localhost.localdomain |
| 21:57.41 | fungus | It is always best to have your system hostname set to a real hostname. |
| 21:57.42 | mgeary | can i just change that to: |
| 21:57.49 | mgeary | fungus: i'm game for that |
| 21:58.08 | wps | I have a HOSTNAME= entry in there |
| 21:58.11 | fungus | echo "myhostname" > /etc/hostname |
| 21:58.29 | fungus | unless you run some other distro that stores it somewhere else. |
| 21:59.23 | fungus | also `hostname myhostname` to set it right now. |
| 22:00.46 | mgeary | whew |
| 22:00.49 | mgeary | that seems to have done it |
| 22:01.56 | mgeary | ~fungus++ |
| 22:02.00 | mgeary | ~wps++ |
| 22:02.05 | mgeary | ~beandog++ |
| 22:02.09 | mgeary | thanks guys |
| 22:02.16 | beandog | g'luck |
| 22:02.43 | fungus | BTW if you want to hack on sendmail, don't bother with the sendmail.cf. edit the sendmail.mc file. Much easier. |
| 22:03.52 | mgeary | cool |
| 22:03.57 | mgeary | amen |
| 22:04.01 | mgeary | i don't like sendmail |
| 22:04.25 | beandog | dont feel too bad, sendmail is anciently old |
| 22:04.37 | mgeary | so, if the /etc/hostname is set up, one shouldn't technically *have* to change sendmail accordingly, is that correct? |
| 22:04.37 | beandog | now we have all these shiny friendly mtas to replace it |
| 22:04.42 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:04.48 | fungus | yes |
| 22:05.22 | beandog | heh |
| 22:05.42 | beandog | majordomo? |
| 22:05.50 | beandog | thats probably older than mailman |
| 22:07.20 | tierra | ezmlm isn't bad, assuming you also like qmail |
| 22:07.28 | beandog | qmail ftw |
| 22:07.30 | tierra | and qmailadmin |
| 22:07.54 | tierra | add some ezmlm-www to that, and it's a winning combination |
| 22:09.57 | PoeticIntensity | yo... any of you gentoo users out there.... |
| 22:10.03 | PoeticIntensity | any warnings about upgrading apache? |
| 22:10.11 | tierra | from what to what? |
| 22:10.14 | PoeticIntensity | 2.2.6...? |
| 22:10.19 | PoeticIntensity | umm... 2.0 to 2.2 |
| 22:10.32 | PoeticIntensity | evidently, there's a lot of structural changes to the config files. |
| 22:10.46 | fungus | Lots of config changes 2.0 -> 2.2 |
| 22:10.51 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 22:10.51 | fungus | especially in authentication. |
| 22:10.58 | PoeticIntensity | worth the upgrade? |
| 22:11.35 | PoeticIntensity | ping beandog |
| 22:11.39 | PoeticIntensity | ^^^ |
| 22:11.40 | fungus | Eh, I don't know. Not a big deal, IMHO. |
| 22:11.52 | PoeticIntensity | good to know fungus .... |
| 22:12.01 | PoeticIntensity | I'm trying to see if it's worth it... |
| 22:12.04 | tierra | I would imagine it's nothing as long as you backup your vhost config stuff, and do some clean merging if it's really that different |
| 22:12.12 | PoeticIntensity | yeah' |
| 22:12.14 | fungus | That is unless you want to do crazy authentication and authorization inside apache. |
| 22:12.18 | beandog | eh |
| 22:12.18 | beandog | what |
| 22:12.28 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, configs changed all around |
| 22:12.33 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 22:12.33 | beandog | Im putting off my upgrade. |
| 22:12.36 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 22:12.37 | beandog | thats all I know |
| 22:12.42 | beandog | but I know its a recommended upgrade |
| 22:12.43 | PoeticIntensity | I probably will too.... (thanks) |
| 22:13.00 | PoeticIntensity | I'll probably do it on a dev box somewhere sometime this week. |
| 22:13.17 | beandog | if you ahvent made changes to httpd.conf, you should be fine. |
| 22:13.36 | PoeticIntensity | I believe I have... |
| 22:13.39 | PoeticIntensity | :-T |
| 22:17.41 | mgeary | hey you OS X users |
| 22:17.52 | wps | yah? |
| 22:17.59 | mgeary | do you know of any way to change the umask for volumes mounted via AFP? |
| 22:18.08 | mgeary | (in a persistent way) |
| 22:18.13 | wps | nope |
| 22:18.14 | wps | sorry |
| 22:18.43 | fungus | doesn't the normal umask in your profile work? |
| 22:18.58 | mgeary | nope |
| 22:19.52 | fungus | I just use nfs or cifs for everything. Never ran into that problem. |
| 22:20.27 | thebigdog | i never use afp |
| 22:20.29 | thebigdog | is sucks |
| 22:21.40 | thebigdog | SunSparc, no wow this weekend |
| 22:22.45 | SunSparc | thebigdog: You are not playing WoW this weekend? |
| 22:23.19 | thebigdog | sorry last weekend...did you not play |
| 22:23.51 | SunSparc | I did not have time to play much at all last week. Bummed me out. Hopefully I will get some time this week. |
| 22:24.03 | thebigdog | nice |
| 22:24.10 | thebigdog | if you are on bloodscalp let me know |
| 22:24.38 | SunSparc | Roger that! |
| 22:25.02 | thebigdog | i got these saturday http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28852 |
| 22:25.22 | thebigdog | got all the mats for http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23546 |
| 22:25.52 | thebigdog | like 800g for the mats or something |
| 22:26.11 | SunSparc | Yikes! That is a lot of gold. |
| 22:26.16 | thebigdog | oh wait...more than that |
| 22:26.25 | SunSparc | Those gloves tough! |
| 22:26.44 | thebigdog | yeah...got the gloves for the resilience |
| 22:26.52 | thebigdog | i got 130 resilience with them |
| 22:27.07 | thebigdog | now im grinding honor until arena1 gear comes out |
| 22:27.25 | fungus | Anyone here code like this? |
| 22:27.36 | fungus | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Only-0001-per-Line.aspx |
| 22:27.52 | mgeary | heh, yeah i saw that |
| 22:28.06 | mgeary | is scarily representative of the "indiacode" i've seen |
| 22:28.24 | fungus | yikes. |
| 22:28.38 | mgeary | s/is/it's |
| 22:28.58 | fungus | that's almost as bad as the nasty font and table garbage of last decade. |
| 22:30.25 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow.... |
| 22:30.35 | PoeticIntensity | that looks like the code I produced about 5 minutes after being exposed to PHP... |
| 22:30.57 | PoeticIntensity | heh... My last job was to replace a bunch of Indian programmers..... |
| 22:30.57 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:31.02 | PoeticIntensity | shyeah..... |
| 22:31.06 | PoeticIntensity | I like... was just kidding, man. |
| 22:31.14 | PoeticIntensity | my code has always been... like... sweet. |
| 22:31.33 | PoeticIntensity | their code was seriously like it had all be copied and pasted in. |
| 22:31.41 | PoeticIntensity | it was...... educational. |
| 22:31.42 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 22:32.37 | mgeary | i had a big india project where they were using some sort of template mechanism, but, and here's the kicker, on every page they would do about 50 preg_replace() calls on the content of their template. one for each variable used on the page. like, what's the point of a template system?! |
| 22:36.36 | beandog | heh |
| 22:36.50 | beandog | I dont think theres ever been a positive instance of inheriting code |
| 22:36.55 | beandog | good code doesnt need inheriting |
| 22:41.11 | PoeticIntensity | alright... it's time for "Which cheese-flavored cracker is the best"! |
| 22:41.32 | PoeticIntensity | My vote goes hands down for Cheddar-Jack flavored Cheez-Its. |
| 22:41.32 | wps | Fish |
| 22:41.51 | PoeticIntensity | My kids like the fish. |
| 22:41.58 | PoeticIntensity | not enough bite for me... :-( |
| 22:41.58 | wps | although they are nasty after they are half chewed by a one year old |
| 22:42.03 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 22:42.13 | PoeticIntensity | sadly.... I can attest to, and agree with that. |
| 22:44.50 | tierra | psh... inheritance is the only way to go! |
| 22:44.53 | tierra | https://svn.wxwidgets.org/svn/wx/wxWidgets/trunk/include/wx/vscroll.h |
| 22:48.03 | thebigdog | well yeah |
| 22:48.26 | thebigdog | one big issue i have with php is its real lack of OO |
| 22:48.36 | herlo | beandog: http://www.itp.uzh.ch/~dpotter/howto/kerberos |
| 22:48.46 | herlo | beandog: looks like a pretty good tutorial |
| 22:48.58 | beandog | herlo, rawk, thx |
| 22:49.07 | herlo | beandog: np |
| 22:49.43 | thebigdog | setting up for demos sucks |
| 22:56.31 | SunSparc | What about setting up for a WoW demo? |
| 22:57.21 | thebigdog | i would love to do that @ work |
| 22:57.56 | thebigdog | man if i only had a pvp guild is all |
| 23:00.06 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:00.09 | SunSparc | Ditto |
| 23:01.44 | *** join/#uphpu _psychic__ (n=_psychic@66.7.114.125) |
| 23:03.57 | thebigdog | i need to be geared more before i can join the one that i want |
| 23:06.47 | SunSparc | Night all! |
| 23:09.22 | herlo | SunSpa....! |
| 23:09.26 | herlo | darn! |
| 23:09.40 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:09.47 | PoeticIntensity | anyone up for a game of bzflag? |
| 23:10.17 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: I'll play |
| 23:10.50 | herlo | beandog: come n play man! |
| 23:10.58 | PoeticIntensity | beeeeeandoooog! |
| 23:11.32 | beandog | whot? |
| 23:11.37 | beandog | bzflag? |
| 23:11.38 | beandog | I cant |
| 23:11.56 | beandog | no opengl on here |
| 23:11.57 | beandog | :C |
| 23:12.24 | herlo | yousuck! |
| 23:13.43 | herlo | beandog: emerge opengl (go fast!) |
| 23:14.32 | beandog | heh |
| 23:14.37 | beandog | it doesnt work well on my laptop |
| 23:14.40 | beandog | the screen gets all fooblie |
| 23:14.48 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: where? |
| 23:16.21 | influx^^ | my timeclock/timesheet script is coming along (first attempt at writing anything): http://pastebin.ca/701262 |
| 23:17.00 | influx^^ | I know I shouldn't have all those echo statements that spit out html... |
| 23:17.20 | herlo | influx^^: bad influx^^ !! |
| 23:17.23 | influx^^ | :( |
| 23:17.26 | herlo | hehe |
| 23:17.42 | herlo | beandog: use the -window and -g options |
| 23:18.00 | PoeticIntensity | herlo, I dunno. |
| 23:18.16 | PoeticIntensity | I can't host here. |
| 23:18.30 | dataw0lf | influx^^: why are you using that switch statement? |
| 23:18.46 | dataw0lf | Use YFd on the date function |
| 23:19.01 | influx^^ | Hmm. |
| 23:19.07 | herlo | PoeticIntensity: we don't need to host, we could just join one |
| 23:19.33 | influx^^ | Just echo a separate date() for display on the page? |
| 23:19.33 | PoeticIntensity | ok... |
| 23:19.44 | influx^^ | Makes much more sense. |
| 23:19.46 | PoeticIntensity | I've only ever seen ones that are like freakin' insane. |
| 23:20.01 | dataw0lf | and for those echo statements? I'd pull out all the HTML, and put it in a separate php file |
| 23:20.13 | dataw0lf | then include the logic in another php file, and use it as sort of a template, if you get what I'm saying. |
| 23:20.19 | influx^^ | yes |
| 23:20.28 | influx^^ | i think |
| 23:21.06 | dataw0lf | so you'd have a view page (whatever.php) and then all that logic above it, put it in a logic page (logic.php) and use include to insert it into whatever.php, and then call the variables in whatever.php transparently |
| 23:21.08 | influx^^ | what is the logic? |
| 23:21.21 | influx^^ | aye |
| 23:21.21 | dataw0lf | the database queries, the date shit, etc |
| 23:21.30 | dataw0lf | err |
| 23:21.31 | dataw0lf | date stuff |
| 23:21.32 | dataw0lf | my bad |
| 23:21.39 | mgeary | influx^^: |
| 23:21.41 | influx^^ | yes |
| 23:21.45 | influx^^ | ? |
| 23:21.48 | mgeary | influx^^: read up on <<< |
| 23:21.53 | influx^^ | EOD? |
| 23:21.56 | mgeary | (multiline strings) |
| 23:21.57 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:22.02 | mgeary | <<<EOD ..... EOD; |
| 23:22.08 | influx^^ | Will do. |
| 23:22.26 | mgeary | then you could just echo one long heredoc variable |
| 23:22.32 | mgeary | but, of course, i prefer Smarty ;) |
| 23:22.36 | influx^^ | :) |
| 23:22.46 | influx^^ | I need to suffer for a while. |
| 23:22.56 | mgeary | true |
| 23:22.57 | influx^^ | Honor the ancestors and whatnot. |
| 23:23.00 | mgeary | yeap |
| 23:23.35 | mgeary | also, the earlier you can introduce yourself to the Active Record design pattern, the more you will thank yourself later |
| 23:23.55 | dataw0lf | influx^^: don't listen to anyone who uses smarty ;) |
| 23:23.58 | influx^^ | I've not heard of that before. I will read up on that too. |
| 23:24.00 | influx^^ | dataw0lf: heh |
| 23:24.01 | dataw0lf | http://pastebin.ca/701276 |
| 23:24.10 | dataw0lf | ^^- here's a simple example so you understand what I mean, influx^^ |
| 23:24.27 | influx^^ | ahhh |
| 23:24.31 | influx^^ | much better |
| 23:24.53 | dataw0lf | separation of logic / content can be done in a variety of ways |
| 23:24.53 | influx^^ | That's why I'm more a GD/WDesigner than developer, I guess. |
| 23:24.59 | mgeary | influx^^: the concept of an Active Record, in my own crude words, is as follows: |
| 23:25.04 | influx^^ | I see what you're saying though, dataw0lf. |
| 23:25.13 | dataw0lf | influx^^: word |
| 23:25.40 | dataw0lf | herlo: you should use a django based wiki |
| 23:26.10 | mgeary | in many (many!) contexts, a database row generally can be thought of as an object instance. You can use an Active Record pattern as an interface to your data rows like this: |
| 23:26.28 | mgeary | $new_timesheet = new Timesheet(); |
| 23:26.44 | mgeary | $new_timesheet->hour_from = "5:00"; |
| 23:26.51 | mgeary | $new_timesheet->hour_to = "6:00"; |
| 23:26.52 | dataw0lf | influx^^: Active Record is a way to represent database tables/structures as objects |
| 23:26.55 | mgeary | $new_timesheet->save(); |
| 23:26.57 | mgeary | yep |
| 23:27.03 | dataw0lf | influx^^: but, personally, I'd suggest doing it raw for now |
| 23:27.08 | dataw0lf | so you have a good understanding of SQL |
| 23:27.15 | dataw0lf | then pick up on said design pattern |
| 23:27.25 | influx^^ | Cool. |
| 23:28.24 | mgeary | we ought to have a design pattern discussion at a UG |
| 23:28.29 | mgeary | UG meeting, that is |
| 23:28.47 | mgeary | discuss good ones, poke holes in them, etc |
| 23:29.14 | unum | what the best way to split up a csv file line |
| 23:29.21 | mgeary | using the built-in functions |
| 23:29.25 | mgeary | fcsvget |
| 23:29.26 | unum | explode doesn't work because some of my strings have commas |
| 23:29.37 | unum | oh well that'll be handy |
| 23:29.49 | mgeary | http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.fgetcsv.php |
| 23:30.05 | unum | thanks |
| 23:30.09 | mgeary | yep |
| 23:30.12 | influx^^ | mgeary, dataw0lf, etc: Thanks for the tips. :) |
| 23:30.22 | dataw0lf | np dude, feel free to ask questions any time |
| 23:30.42 | influx^^ | :) |
| 23:35.14 | herlo | dataw0lf: huh? |
| 23:35.16 | herlo | dataw0lf: why? |
| 23:41.43 | dataw0lf | herlo: huh, why what? |
| 23:41.51 | dataw0lf | oh |
| 23:41.53 | dataw0lf | because Django rocks |
| 23:41.55 | mgeary | herlo: 'cause django rocks |
| 23:41.56 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 23:44.18 | herlo | mgeary: I agree |
| 23:44.42 | herlo | dataw0lf: so be it. But I don't have time to create one and moinmoin has most of the features I need |
| 23:44.46 | mgeary | or at least to steal more ideas from it |
| 23:45.06 | herlo | dataw0lf: what Django based wikis are there? |
| 23:46.19 | dataw0lf | http://sct.sphene.net/wiki/show/Wiki/ |
| 23:48.06 | herlo | dataw0lf: give me advantages over moinmoin... |
| 23:48.54 | herlo | dataw0lf: looks to me like I've gotta write a bunch of python to get it to work... |
| 23:49.10 | herlo | I know there's the "out of the box" stuff, but moinmoin already has *much* more |
| 23:49.10 | mgeary | well, that's one advantage |
| 23:49.13 | mgeary | ;) |
| 23:49.24 | herlo | mgeary: if you know python like the back of your hand it is... |
| 23:55.42 | dataw0lf | hmm, why is it better than moinmoin |
| 23:55.44 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 23:55.47 | dataw0lf | because moinmoin sucks? |
| 23:57.00 | mindjuju | oh wow, i just got an email from Bank of America that says my bank account has been hosed! All i have to do is click on this link to make everything all better! http://hackMeUpTheWazoo/takeMyInfo/www.bankofamerica.com |
| 23:57.10 | mindjuju | oh wait! I don't have a bank of america account |
| 23:57.40 | mindjuju | that's not real address, in case somebody tries to click on it |
| 23:57.53 | herlo | dataw0lf: you can't just say that and not give proof. I use moinmoin and it seems pretty good. I'm not an admin of it though... |
| 23:58.11 | herlo | moinmoin provides some cool benefits like inline acls for users and groups... |
| 23:58.53 | herlo | It also does CamelCase and interwiki links like mediawiki does. But mediawiki is too heavy. MoinMoin seems less heavy |
| 23:59.38 | herlo | moinmoin also runs on some pretty large projects, fedora, apache, Apache |
| 23:59.39 | herlo | Fedora |
| 23:59.39 | herlo | Ubuntu |
| 23:59.39 | herlo | Mercurial |
| 23:59.41 | herlo | Debian |
| 23:59.44 | herlo | CAcert.org |
| 23:59.46 | herlo | Kernel Newbies |