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| 01:02.04 | Utah_Dave | Does anyone know of a good example of how to display lists of links? |
| 01:02.29 | Utah_Dave | I'm trying to avoid a spaghetti mess of links |
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| 01:22.51 | wps_ | here is one way that I have done it: http://ugaf.org/resources |
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| 01:30.52 | Utah_Dave | wps: nice. that looks great |
| 01:38.15 | Utah_Dave | wps: as a designer, how do you borrow ideas from a design without, or create a new design that's influenced by another, without breaking copyright? |
| 01:57.38 | wps | be inspired by concepts, grids, color schemes… don't copy |
| 01:57.45 | wps | let it influence you, but don't make it the same |
| 01:57.58 | wps | don't screen shot it… don't use it exact |
| 01:58.27 | wps | when it comes to web design, the easiest way to get into trouble is to copy the code |
| 01:58.54 | wps | the easiest way to make it your own is to write the code yourself |
| 01:59.43 | wps | then you are sure to do things different… improve on it… along the way |
| 02:00.46 | wps | the best advice I have too is to not keep what inspired you around |
| 02:00.59 | wps | if you keep it up in front of you while you are working then you will subconsciously copy it |
| 02:01.10 | wps | find your inspiration and then quickly put it away |
| 02:01.39 | wps | be sure to quickly write down the things you liked though so that you don't forget |
| 02:01.50 | wps | they should be concepts though and not things that are exact |
| 02:02.20 | wps | "I liked that there was a table with rows… with alternating colors" |
| 02:02.31 | wps | …opposed to… |
| 02:03.07 | wps | "#00336F background, height of 23 pixels, and trebuchet ms text" |
| 02:03.10 | wps | make sense? |
| 02:03.20 | Utah_Dave | yeah, that sounds like great advice |
| 02:05.41 | Utah_Dave | Lately I've been trying to avoid making pages look good as an afterthought |
| 02:05.54 | wps | :) |
| 02:06.18 | Utah_Dave | decide in my mind how I want it to look first, as opposed to getting the code all working and then throw in some CSS and pictures and stuff |
| 02:06.38 | wps | that's a good plan |
| 02:09.14 | macnewbold | mindjuju: you around? |
| 02:12.35 | macnewbold | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 02:12.36 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 02:12.56 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: oooh, macnewbold stoops down to mindjuju's level!! |
| 02:13.04 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 02:13.18 | macnewbold | I figured if he's not paying attention, I can get away with it without retaliation... ;) |
| 02:13.47 | Utah_Dave | :) |
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| 04:15.20 | orsonj | heh, perhaps I'll join in. |
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| 04:15.36 | orsonj | ~lart people who ask questions, then leave |
| 04:15.36 | jbot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags people who ask questions, then leave into court suing for $200 million |
| 04:22.17 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 04:25.52 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju's popular tonight |
| 04:26.29 | herlo | Utah_Dave: how so? |
| 04:26.40 | Utah_Dave | oh, macnewbold was looking for him earlier |
| 04:26.40 | herlo | Utah_Dave: isn't he *always* popular? |
| 04:26.44 | Utah_Dave | true! |
| 04:27.04 | macnewbold | ping mindjuju |
| 04:27.07 | macnewbold | ping herlo |
| 04:27.09 | macnewbold | pong Utah_Dave |
| 04:27.16 | Utah_Dave | I'm shocked he isn't in his office hacking away while watching a movie in one of his screens |
| 04:27.16 | macnewbold | anyone for a game of ping pong? |
| 04:27.20 | Utah_Dave | ping macnewbold |
| 04:27.21 | macnewbold | seriously... |
| 04:27.22 | herlo | ~whack macnewbold |
| 04:27.22 | jbot | ACTION whacks macnewbold upside the head. |
| 04:27.39 | herlo | Utah_Dave: for sure |
| 04:32.28 | burnin | so did mindjuju get that pci vga card he needed? |
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| 14:42.40 | timinator | mornin' gents |
| 14:44.50 | mindjuju | mornin' timinator |
| 14:45.00 | mindjuju | ~APB macnewbold |
| 14:45.01 | jbot | ACTION summons baby Lyssa to find macnewbold |
| 14:45.07 | mindjuju | ~APB Herlo |
| 14:45.08 | jbot | ACTION hires Beth to rough up Herlo |
| 14:46.26 | mindjuju | k, i think that's all of them |
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| 15:02.02 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
| 15:02.25 | mindjuju | i'm here |
| 15:02.44 | mindjuju | was out sick yesterday |
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| 15:04.36 | thebigdog | im always here |
| 15:05.18 | mindjuju | that's because thebigdog is a machine! |
| 15:05.35 | thebigdog | a sexy machine |
| 15:05.56 | mindjuju | heh |
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| 15:36.45 | mgeary | awww |
| 15:37.01 | mgeary | the new version of Colloquy doesn't do the "/itunes" thing any more :( |
| 15:37.16 | mindjuju | ahhh, a sound of disappointment |
| 15:40.42 | orsonj | so, mindjuju, are you still interested in video cards? |
| 15:41.14 | mindjuju | yeah, did you send over info for some vid cards? |
| 15:41.32 | orsonj | I msg'd you a link to pictures of said cards. |
| 15:41.40 | orsonj | I haven't done much else though. |
| 15:42.05 | orsonj | pm that is |
| 15:42.15 | mindjuju | k, hang on real quick |
| 15:42.20 | orsonj | np |
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| 15:50.48 | mgeary | hey, when mysqld is stopped and restarted, do the stored procedures need to be reloaded? or are they stored persistently? |
| 15:51.07 | thebigdog | mgeary, they are stored persistently |
| 15:51.10 | mgeary | cool |
| 15:51.11 | mgeary | thanks |
| 15:58.45 | orsonj | wow, picasa does the google maps thing to let you view detail on large pictures. |
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| 16:26.06 | influx^^ | mornin' dudes |
| 16:29.35 | influx^^ | What would be the best way to insert multiple values from a form into an array ? |
| 16:29.50 | influx^^ | an associative array* |
| 16:34.35 | beandog | what do you mean |
| 16:34.37 | beandog | its already in an array |
| 16:34.44 | beandog | You could put them in an array before you post them |
| 16:35.02 | beandog | <input type='text' name='array[]' value='foo'> |
| 16:35.04 | beandog | something like that |
| 16:35.07 | macnewbold | input name="list[]" |
| 16:35.09 | beandog | that would create indexed arrays though |
| 16:35.13 | beandog | hey macnewbold |
| 16:35.14 | macnewbold | g'day beandog |
| 16:35.19 | beandog | :) |
| 16:37.37 | influx^^ | beandog: If it's already in an array, then how would I access it? |
| 16:38.05 | beandog | $_POST |
| 16:38.10 | beandog | $_REQUEST |
| 16:38.19 | beandog | print those out on the page you are submitting the form to |
| 16:38.23 | beandog | print_r() |
| 16:38.46 | influx^^ | print_r($_POST); |
| 16:38.51 | influx^^ | print_r($_REQUEST); |
| 16:38.52 | influx^^ | ? |
| 16:39.04 | beandog | yah |
| 16:39.07 | influx^^ | hmm. |
| 16:39.08 | influx^^ | k. |
| 16:39.13 | beandog | $_REQUEST is both GET and POST variables |
| 16:39.22 | beandog | or you can use them individually |
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| 17:37.14 | timinator | I have a new quote |
| 17:37.18 | timinator | just made it up |
| 17:37.29 | timinator | "Software cannot replace common sense" |
| 17:37.36 | timinator | -Timothy Humphrey |
| 17:38.33 | timinator | :) |
| 17:38.44 | timinator | you may quote me as long as you reference me |
| 17:38.46 | timinator | :) |
| 17:38.58 | timinator | it'll probably be my only 15 seconds of fame |
| 17:39.00 | timinator | :) |
| 17:45.27 | macnewbold | that, and that time we put a video of you acting silly on youtube |
| 17:45.30 | timinator | is that wrong? |
| 17:45.44 | macnewbold | well, seeing as nobody else will likely blog it... ;) |
| 17:45.47 | macnewbold | j/k |
| 17:45.53 | influx^^ | I'll blog it on my LJ. |
| 17:45.53 | timinator | oh, right... well, of course there's that |
| 17:45.59 | influx^^ | which no one reads |
| 17:46.03 | timinator | LJ? |
| 17:46.25 | timinator | cool name, huh |
| 17:46.34 | influx^^ | reminds me of whatdoiknow.org |
| 17:46.38 | mgeary | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=%22Software+cannot+replace+common+sense%22&btnG=Search |
| 17:46.42 | influx^^ | cool name yes |
| 17:47.33 | timinator | WHAT?!?! someone has already used that statement? |
| 17:47.41 | timinator | it was original, I swear |
| 17:48.15 | timinator | we were just having a conversation about tasks that are common sense, and I said that line |
| 17:48.19 | timinator | uuurgh |
| 17:49.18 | timinator | in place |
| 18:39.49 | Utah_Dave | I know that except for a few exceptions, templating languages aren't real popular in this channel. I don't use one either... |
| 18:40.01 | Utah_Dave | but I found this last night and thought it looked pretty cool |
| 18:40.03 | Utah_Dave | http://phphaml.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:40.18 | Utah_Dave | I'm going to try it out tonight |
| 18:40.42 | Utah_Dave | what do you all think? |
| 18:40.48 | mgeary | well |
| 18:40.58 | mgeary | i think that while the content looks clean |
| 18:41.10 | mgeary | it *has* to be edited by hand, which means a programmer has to do your templates |
| 18:41.15 | mgeary | which is a poor use of a programmer |
| 18:41.33 | mgeary | Dreamweaver wouldn't know what to do with such a template |
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| 18:43.18 | Utah_Dave | true |
| 18:56.21 | wps | someone named Paige from Minneapolis just registered on the site |
| 18:57.34 | wps | we must be really cool if we're attracting girls from out of state |
| 18:57.35 | timinator | U(M)PHPU |
| 18:58.01 | wps | $s . 'UPHPU'; |
| 18:58.02 | timinator | we must be really cool if we're attracting girls |
| 18:58.04 | wps | oops |
| 18:58.07 | wps | $s . 'PHPU'; |
| 18:58.22 | wps | try to make a funny and blow it |
| 18:58.27 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:01.51 | wps | Goodle is offering 20 Million to first person to put a robot on the moon |
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| 19:03.24 | influx^^ | ha |
| 19:03.24 | timinator | brasto, you just missed it.... I won $20 million!! |
| 19:03.36 | timinator | hehe |
| 19:03.37 | influx^^ | timinator: Just shoot an aibo at the moon. |
| 19:03.53 | influx^^ | at/to/something |
| 19:04.14 | mgeary | what google needs to do is offer $20m to the first person to create a solar panel with <some awesome attribute>, or a wind turbine with <some awesome attribute>.... |
| 19:05.08 | orsonj | wind turbine that doesn't kill birds. (to satisfy _them_) |
| 19:06.34 | orsonj | won't work, it will catch it before it gets there. |
| 19:06.57 | timinator | work with me here guys, I'm trying for the $20 million |
| 19:07.19 | orsonj | you need a giant slingshot |
| 19:07.39 | timinator | now you're thinkin' |
| 19:08.38 | orsonj | you could probably set it up here: http://www.setiai.com/archives/arecibo_telescope_seti.jpg |
| 19:08.57 | orsonj | or perhaps closer. hoover dam. |
| 19:09.18 | timinator | that would make a killer slingshot |
| 19:09.49 | wps | what Google should do is offer 20M for someone to fix email |
| 19:09.54 | wps | so there is no more spam |
| 19:10.15 | orsonj | that could actually be really cool. angle it back a bit so you could launch yourself over the reservior. |
| 19:12.01 | orsonj | I'm sure you get people to pay money to launch themselves into lake Mead |
| 19:12.35 | wps | this movie looks hilarious |
| 19:12.36 | wps | http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/mrwoodcock/ |
| 19:15.00 | timinator | that looks dumb |
| 19:15.09 | timinator | </opinion> |
| 19:17.43 | timinator | here's a better shot: http://www.evan.org/jetpack/Rocketeer3.jpg |
| 19:18.35 | wps | I don't remember him having that gun in the movie |
| 19:19.26 | orsonj | just don't breathe it |
| 19:27.20 | timinator | speaking of robots, did you all see this: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RKI2F80&show_article=1 |
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| 19:39.17 | bradym | orsonj: ping |
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| 19:45.11 | orsonj | I'm here |
| 19:45.43 | orsonj | just finished an assignment |
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| 19:47.15 | orsonj | bradym: pong |
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| 19:51.47 | cole_joplin | timinator, did you see the guy doing water turbines in the east river? |
| 19:52.10 | timinator | nope |
| 19:52.15 | timinator | what's the link? |
| 19:52.19 | cole_joplin | it uses power from tides |
| 19:52.32 | cole_joplin | works like a wind turbine |
| 19:52.51 | cole_joplin | the tide current produces the energy |
| 19:52.54 | timinator | oh, ya... and they are built on bowies |
| 19:53.34 | cole_joplin | I saw it on Discovery channel, sorry |
| 19:53.52 | timinator | I misspelled that, but I know what you're talking about |
| 19:54.44 | cole_joplin | There's some NYC store on the waterfront that gets all it's electricity from these underwater turbines, and they sell the excess to ConnEd |
| 19:55.09 | cole_joplin | He put a few million into development |
| 19:55.14 | cole_joplin | but it makes sense |
| 19:55.24 | cole_joplin | but like the birds, you may kill some fish |
| 19:55.59 | cole_joplin | but fish in the east river are pretty much dying anyway |
| 19:56.00 | timinator | ya, but it's not in the environmentalists faces, so they're okay with it |
| 19:56.18 | timinator | you can see a wind turbine |
| 19:56.22 | cole_joplin | yes, you don't actually SEE the turbines |
| 19:56.24 | timinator | these are underwater |
| 19:56.47 | cole_joplin | same thing could be done with hydrothermal, likein Iceland |
| 19:56.50 | timinator | right, with a floatation devise on top |
| 19:57.36 | cole_joplin | the thing I like about the idea is it is fairly invisible |
| 19:57.51 | timinator | ya |
| 19:57.59 | cole_joplin | and even if the sun doesn't shine, the moon will still pull the oceans |
| 19:58.22 | cole_joplin | harnessing the power of the moon...I like it |
| 19:58.41 | cole_joplin | much less expensive than getting Helium3 from the moon |
| 19:59.11 | timinator | as I recall the gov't wasn't to quick to jump on board.... I don't know if there was a legitimate concern (such as problems navy and coast guard) or if it was big business, or if it's not scaleable in some way |
| 19:59.53 | cole_joplin | um, big business |
| 20:00.09 | timinator | very possible |
| 20:00.18 | timinator | what made you think of that man? |
| 20:00.23 | cole_joplin | if I was ConnEd, I'd be putting the money into water trubines, not coal |
| 20:00.44 | cole_joplin | the whole wind turbine discussion earlier |
| 20:00.53 | cole_joplin | made me remember it |
| 20:01.34 | cole_joplin | Solar and wind are ugly, so someone will complain |
| 20:01.49 | cole_joplin | hydro and geothermal can be hidden from view |
| 20:02.42 | timinator | ya |
| 20:02.45 | cole_joplin | the earth's core will be hot for a long time, the moon will pull oceans for a long time |
| 20:03.07 | cole_joplin | no worry about renewing, it renews itself |
| 20:03.20 | timinator | did you hear about Russia's floating Nuclear Power Plant? |
| 20:03.31 | cole_joplin | no |
| 20:04.03 | timinator | ya, I don't recall the source, but a private energy company was making them |
| 20:04.04 | cole_joplin | I suppose if there's a problem, you tug it out into international waters and sink it |
| 20:04.09 | timinator | wanted to make several |
| 20:04.36 | timinator | there's lots of little town near the ocean that have lousy power |
| 20:04.51 | timinator | s/power/power supplies/ |
| 20:05.26 | timinator | so they'd run this large boat up the coast, filling power cells as they go |
| 20:11.28 | timinator | http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/10/13/floating.nuke.plant/index.html |
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| 20:45.21 | thebigdog | ~seen jsmith |
| 20:45.24 | jbot | jsmith <n=jsmith@atelka.info> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk-dev, 3h 33m 18s ago, saying: 'Qwell: I thought so too, but I couldn't find it last week when I went looking'. |
| 20:53.59 | mgeary | can anyone speculate why one page with utf-8 encoding with an apostrophe ’ would display it properly, and another page with utf-8 encoding and the same apostrophe would display it as a � ? |
| 20:55.03 | thebigdog | are you sure it is an apostrophe |
| 20:55.12 | mgeary | yep |
| 20:55.16 | mgeary | a curly one |
| 20:55.19 | thebigdog | i have seen backticks that get represented differently |
| 20:55.21 | beandog | maybe its double quotes |
| 20:55.22 | beandog | like " |
| 20:55.31 | mgeary | nope, i know what it is: ’ |
| 20:55.34 | mgeary | curly apostrophy |
| 20:55.34 | mindjuju | yeah, curly quotes will do it |
| 20:55.35 | mgeary | e |
| 20:55.40 | mindjuju | a lot of symbols do |
| 20:55.43 | mgeary | yeah, but the point is-- |
| 20:55.50 | thebigdog | did you verify the char number? |
| 20:55.50 | mgeary | utf-8 encoding should fix it |
| 20:55.51 | mindjuju | ESPECIALLY if it is a copy and paste from M$ Word |
| 20:55.58 | mindjuju | never has for me |
| 20:55.59 | mgeary | and it does, on page A, but not on page 2 |
| 20:56.04 | mgeary | uh, page B |
| 20:56.10 | mgeary | well, it does |
| 20:56.31 | thebigdog | haha |
| 20:56.42 | thebigdog | we are just throwing out ideas |
| 20:56.52 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: are the doctypes and everything identical? |
| 20:56.54 | mgeary | well, throw out better ones, durn it |
| 20:57.36 | mindjuju | all i can say is that despite my best efforts, and making everything identical like Utah_Dave suggests, i still get complaints that the mdash is coming up as a square |
| 20:57.47 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: checking |
| 20:57.54 | mindjuju | complaints from clients running IE 5 or FF or some other browser |
| 20:57.57 | mindjuju | just doesn't render right |
| 20:58.21 | mindjuju | i finally had to go around the office to the submitters and slap MS word into dropping the curly quotes and extra stuff |
| 20:58.37 | mindjuju | it even pissed off my regex find and replace |
| 21:00.01 | Utah_Dave | I remember a situation where the browser was defaulting to Latin-1 or something like that, and if you didn't specify UTF-8, it could screw stuff up |
| 21:00.36 | Utah_Dave | go to a browser where it's screwed up and check what encoding the browser thinks the page is |
| 21:00.57 | mindjuju | i think that is what it was, but it is hard to explain to a client what is going on, why every other website works and not yours |
| 21:01.11 | mgeary | hmm |
| 21:01.14 | mindjuju | and about half way through, you start to get the deer-in-the-headlights look from them |
| 21:01.20 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: yeah |
| 21:01.22 | mgeary | defaultCharset: ISO-8859-1 |
| 21:01.26 | mindjuju | and then your eye gets all twitchy |
| 21:01.38 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: that's the problem. |
| 21:01.42 | thebigdog | that will do it |
| 21:01.52 | mgeary | this is the head of the doc: |
| 21:01.54 | mindjuju | and finally, you snap |
| 21:01.55 | Utah_Dave | I can't remember exactly what you do to force UTF-8 from the server |
| 21:01.58 | mgeary | (warning: paste coming: |
| 21:02.05 | mgeary | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> |
| 21:02.05 | mgeary | <html lang="en"> |
| 21:02.05 | mgeary | <head> |
| 21:02.06 | mgeary | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"> |
| 21:02.26 | mgeary | so you're saying that my Content-Type meta tag is just being ignored |
| 21:02.33 | mindjuju | yup, charset=utf-8 |
| 21:02.53 | Utah_Dave | yeah, there's something server side where the server tells the browser what the encoding is of the page it's sending |
| 21:02.57 | thebigdog | yeah in your browser you can define your content type |
| 21:03.42 | mgeary | no, wait |
| 21:03.51 | mgeary | i'm now looking at a page that displays the chars correctly |
| 21:03.54 | mgeary | same defaultCharset |
| 21:04.07 | cole_joplin | I seem to recall reading this thing where an IIS server will override a page's utf-8 and replace it with it's ISO default |
| 21:04.34 | mgeary | 'cause phpmyadmin displays the char correctly, but my code does not |
| 21:04.46 | mindjuju | cole_joplin - in metadata settings i believe so |
| 21:05.15 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: you're not using IIS are you? |
| 21:05.18 | mgeary | nope |
| 21:05.25 | mgeary | Apache |
| 21:05.37 | cole_joplin | do you have an encoding value set in Apache? |
| 21:05.56 | Utah_Dave | yeah, look in httpd.conf as well as php.ini |
| 21:05.58 | mgeary | don't have access to the httpd.conf on this server |
| 21:06.05 | mgeary | what would the directive be? |
| 21:08.01 | Utah_Dave | in httpd.conf try AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 |
| 21:08.59 | mgeary | can't. but i'll relay that to the server admin |
| 21:09.18 | Utah_Dave | and in php.ini try default_charset = "utf-8" |
| 21:09.25 | mgeary | so, i'm looking at the headers in LiveHeaders in Firefox |
| 21:09.30 | mgeary | is there something i should look for? |
| 21:09.38 | mgeary | i get this: |
| 21:09.40 | mgeary | Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 |
| 21:10.06 | mgeary | course, that's in the request |
| 21:10.12 | mgeary | in the response, i don't see anything about a charset |
| 21:10.31 | Utah_Dave | Content-type: header |
| 21:10.42 | mgeary | Content-Type: text/html |
| 21:11.14 | Utah_Dave | Now I remember. There's a php function you can run that sets the charset |
| 21:11.48 | thebigdog | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2616 section 14.2 |
| 21:12.16 | thebigdog | in your request you are asking for iso first |
| 21:12.51 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: not seeing such a function |
| 21:13.05 | thebigdog | basically you are telling the server these are acceptible response charsets |
| 21:13.18 | Utah_Dave | header does it |
| 21:13.21 | mgeary | thebigdog: you saying i should manually try to send: |
| 21:13.36 | mgeary | header("Accept-Charset: utf-8;q=0.7,ISO-8859-1,*;q=0.7") |
| 21:13.37 | thebigdog | you requests are ok... |
| 21:13.38 | mgeary | ? |
| 21:13.50 | Utah_Dave | header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8'); |
| 21:13.54 | thebigdog | you need to have the server default to utf-8 like Utah-Dave is suggesting |
| 21:14.15 | thebigdog | imho i would do it at the server level |
| 21:14.16 | Utah_Dave | put that at the very top of the php file. before any spaces or output sent to the browser |
| 21:14.20 | thebigdog | in production |
| 21:14.30 | Utah_Dave | I agree with thebigdog though, set that in php.ini. |
| 21:15.02 | thebigdog | you could probably have sysadmin set that in apache config too |
| 21:15.16 | mgeary | header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8'); appears to have no effect |
| 21:15.27 | Utah_Dave | ok, I gotta go. good luck! |
| 21:15.38 | mgeary | yep |
| 21:15.41 | mgeary | i'll bug the admin |
| 21:15.45 | mgeary | thanks |
| 21:16.03 | thebigdog | tell everyone to switch too ff browser and switch it there :) |
| 21:16.20 | mgeary | i'm seeing the problem in ff |
| 21:16.25 | mgeary | where would i change it, just to verify? |
| 21:17.08 | thebigdog | options - content |
| 21:17.18 | thebigdog | fonts & colors |
| 21:17.25 | thebigdog | default char encoding |
| 21:17.35 | thebigdog | however, if one is specified it might not default |
| 21:19.44 | mindjuju | and be ready for the billions of people who ask, why they have to change for your site and not for everybody else |
| 21:19.55 | mindjuju | i always say, because if you don't change it, i'm going to pop you in the eye |
| 21:20.09 | mindjuju | and then send thebigdog afta ya |
| 21:20.36 | thebigdog | trudat |
| 21:21.08 | mindjuju | man, i'm so ready for geek lunch... these have been some crazy weeks with some crazy hours |
| 21:21.34 | thebigdog | tell me about it |
| 21:21.48 | thebigdog | i got so much on my plate i feel like uncle buck |
| 21:22.05 | thebigdog | management is pissing me off to no end |
| 21:22.14 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:22.19 | mindjuju | oh man, i know that tune |
| 21:22.34 | thebigdog | i have been really thinking about looking for a new job |
| 21:22.59 | mindjuju | really? |
| 21:23.06 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:23.08 | thebigdog | check it out |
| 21:23.14 | thebigdog | this is what my job consists of |
| 21:23.19 | thebigdog | on a daily basis |
| 21:23.27 | thebigdog | all network admin for office |
| 21:23.35 | thebigdog | all project server admin |
| 21:23.37 | *** part/#uphpu cole_joplin (n=cjoplin@gw.helius.com) |
| 21:23.39 | thebigdog | all company server admin |
| 21:23.44 | thebigdog | software development |
| 21:23.48 | thebigdog | database development |
| 21:23.53 | thebigdog | asterisk development |
| 21:24.02 | thebigdog | voip setup and configuration |
| 21:24.11 | mgeary | you had me at "network admin" |
| 21:24.12 | thebigdog | email |
| 21:24.19 | thebigdog | admin |
| 21:24.35 | mindjuju | dude... i thought i had it rough |
| 21:24.36 | thebigdog | ok...network includes alot |
| 21:24.49 | mgeary | huh. changing the default charset in FF's prefs had zero impact |
| 21:24.57 | timinator | mgeary: LOL |
| 21:25.10 | timinator | </courtesy_laugh> |
| 21:25.52 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:26.28 | thebigdog | after this asterisk stuff...there is not much else left for me to do |
| 21:26.33 | thebigdog | i have over 11tb server |
| 21:26.37 | mindjuju | dude, that's what i'm saying |
| 21:27.51 | mgeary | ah |
| 21:27.54 | mgeary | wrong page |
| 21:28.21 | thebigdog | oh and add the imagery stuff to that list |
| 21:28.26 | mindjuju | dude, this is a happy good day. For too long women have been repressed into trying to fit sterotypical man! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=3&entry_id=8393 |
| 21:28.41 | thebigdog | so i get requirements today that i need to add a ton of new code to my app for some demo |
| 21:28.51 | thebigdog | cause we "have to have it" |
| 21:29.03 | mindjuju | ya'll need to check out the female gender stormtropper outfit |
| 21:29.14 | bradym | thebigdog: if you're serious, feel free to send me your resume and i'll pass it along, from what i'm told "we're always hiring" :) |
| 21:30.02 | influx^^ | uh... |
| 21:30.04 | influx^^ | wow. |
| 21:30.15 | mindjuju | the article is hilarious |
| 21:30.23 | influx^^ | Somehow, showing the skin ain't all that hot. |
| 21:30.48 | mindjuju | course though, it's the logic that defies |
| 21:31.13 | mindjuju | clone troopers were all suppose to be jango, so at the most it be a female jango |
| 21:31.25 | mindjuju | not blonde jango |
| 21:32.41 | timinator | very cool in my book |
| 21:34.20 | influx^^ | http://www.sithvixen.com/starwars/femtrooper/femtrooper_ajc005.jpg |
| 21:34.29 | influx^^ | Kinda cool. |
| 21:34.50 | mgeary | you know, that armor's not doing much if she gets shot in the gut |
| 21:35.18 | wps | I don't think the point of that outfit is to keep people out |
| 21:36.14 | mindjuju | mgeary, the armour has like a +30 Geek Stun affect and a -15 to any damage rolls |
| 21:36.39 | mindjuju | it's near impossible to hit somebody with armour like that |
| 21:37.09 | mgeary | here's an interesting legal fact from Nepal: |
| 21:37.19 | mgeary | a rape victim is entitled to half of her attacker's property as compensation. If she kills her attacker during or within one hour after the attack, she is immune to punishment. If she kills him any time after the one hour, her punishment is limited to far below typical punishments for murder |
| 21:37.25 | influx^^ | it increases the femtrooper's chance to hit by 10 |
| 21:38.20 | mindjuju | well, yeah, the Geek Stun leaves the attacker drooling and undoing their armour |
| 21:38.41 | influx^^ | ah. |
| 21:39.27 | mindjuju | mgeary - AFAIK Nepal is polyandric society |
| 21:40.14 | mindjuju | ASP, like ASP ASP like ASP.net ? |
| 21:40.55 | influx^^ | Just |
| 21:40.59 | influx^^ | Just ASP. |
| 21:41.11 | mindjuju | Classic ASP from a long time ago? |
| 21:41.20 | mindjuju | i might still have some books on it |
| 21:41.29 | influx^^ | I guess so. |
| 21:41.50 | mindjuju | i see 1 cookbook for ASP and a learning ASP MS manual |
| 21:41.52 | influx^^ | The boss usually does it. |
| 21:42.01 | mindjuju | yeah, that's way old skool tech |
| 21:42.07 | mindjuju | i ain't coded that since 2k1 |
| 21:42.57 | mindjuju | influx^^ , i'll give you cookbook, but you must give me a.... |
| 21:43.09 | mindjuju | SHRUBBERY ! |
| 21:43.09 | influx^^ | I may have some tamales left over from this batch I'm selling. |
| 21:43.21 | influx^^ | Shrubbery? hmm. |
| 21:43.30 | mindjuju | just kidding, Monty Python joke |
| 21:43.35 | mindjuju | you can have it |
| 21:43.37 | influx^^ | Ah. |
| 21:43.50 | influx^^ | I'll try to make it to the lunch tomorrow. Going to see if I can have the day off. |
| 21:44.17 | mindjuju | or at least tell your boss that your going to talk to a guy who used to code ASP and he's going to give you some stuff |
| 21:44.48 | influx^^ | aye |
| 21:45.26 | timinator | geek lunch tomorrow!!! |
| 21:47.15 | influx^^ | http://pastebin.ca/696397 |
| 21:47.24 | influx^^ | That's some code he did, I think. |
| 21:47.32 | mgeary | aaaaahhhh! my eyes!!! |
| 21:47.47 | influx^^ | sorry |
| 21:47.48 | mgeary | dude, you've gotta warn us |
| 21:47.54 | influx^^ | :( |
| 21:47.59 | mgeary | ;) |
| 21:48.03 | mgeary | that's some nasty code, imo |
| 21:48.30 | influx^^ | I have no opinion. My skills = virtually nil atm. |
| 21:48.59 | mgeary | here's my take on it-- per a comment earlier: programmers should spend their time programming, not generating html |
| 21:49.10 | mgeary | designers and html jockeys should create html |
| 21:49.16 | PoeticIntensity | wow.... |
| 21:49.25 | bradym | that would be nice.. |
| 21:49.26 | mgeary | but the way that code is written, no one but a programmer could ever do anything with it |
| 21:50.19 | mgeary | you should have 3 kinds of files: scripts, classes, and templates |
| 21:50.30 | influx^^ | So how do you separate programming from the generation of html? |
| 21:50.36 | mgeary | scripts are your "on this page" logic mechanisms |
| 21:50.45 | influx^^ | Won't you have to generate something eventually? |
| 21:50.54 | mgeary | classes are your "attached to this entity" logic mechanisms |
| 21:51.09 | mgeary | and templates are your means of expressing data from scripts |
| 21:51.44 | mindjuju | i'm back, yup, that's Classic ASP |
| 21:51.48 | mindjuju | this cookbook will help |
| 21:52.14 | mindjuju | and, i'll give you the official MS books too that only come with the course |
| 21:52.20 | mindjuju | i'm not using them anymore |
| 21:52.27 | influx^^ | k |
| 21:52.30 | mindjuju | they were in MS binder, but i had them bound |
| 21:52.42 | mgeary | http://pastebin.ca/696413 |
| 21:52.55 | mindjuju | it'll walk you from novice to intermediate |
| 21:54.03 | influx^^ | *looks* |
| 21:54.13 | mgeary | scripts, imo, should access objects, collect form data, pass it to objects, and expose variables to templates |
| 21:54.31 | mindjuju | so influx^^ what else is in that environment? sql 2k? |
| 21:54.38 | influx^^ | mgeary: I like what you're saying. |
| 21:54.48 | influx^^ | mgeary: Don't know bout the db. |
| 21:55.26 | mgeary | i didn't say anything about smarty |
| 21:55.34 | mgeary | i don't care what template mech. you use. but use one |
| 21:55.44 | timinator | http://pastebin.com/d40d60fef |
| 21:55.46 | PoeticIntensity | nod.... |
| 21:55.55 | influx^^ | and let the comparison of phallus size begin |
| 21:56.12 | timinator | this will generate a unique ID number |
| 21:56.14 | timinator | :) |
| 21:56.27 | timinator | that's what you call, "clean code" |
| 21:56.33 | mgeary | heheheh |
| 21:56.54 | mgeary | of course, that unique id will be on a per-instance basis, not global |
| 21:57.02 | mgeary | depending on the input array, of course |
| 21:57.07 | timinator | not really, you pass an array in |
| 21:57.10 | timinator | right |
| 21:57.16 | timinator | so it can be used anywhere |
| 21:57.16 | mgeary | i often just use uniqid() |
| 21:57.49 | beandog | timinator, thats cool |
| 21:58.03 | timinator | :) TY beandog |
| 21:58.24 | beandog | your clean code doesnt make sure that $k isn't a positive integer though. ;) |
| 21:58.43 | timinator | hmmmm |
| 21:59.10 | timinator | that's true |
| 21:59.37 | timinator | mgeary: I built this to create coupon codes |
| 21:59.52 | timinator | so, I wanted something small, that could fit on the bottom of a coupon |
| 21:59.55 | beandog | timinator, I like it though, that is cool |
| 21:59.58 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:00.11 | mgeary | and something that doesn't shout, "i'm a php uniqid()!!!" |
| 22:00.15 | mgeary | 'cause they are easy to spot |
| 22:00.20 | timinator | right |
| 22:00.22 | beandog | I always sha256 and md5 those |
| 22:00.23 | beandog | :) |
| 22:00.29 | beandog | just for fun. |
| 22:00.33 | beandog | well, not always. |
| 22:00.36 | timinator | and something that could be easy to enter by a retail store manager |
| 22:00.54 | beandog | sha256(md5sum(crypt('password'))); |
| 22:00.57 | beandog | ;) |
| 22:01.05 | mgeary | heh, though beandog, technically speaking, a uniqid() is guaranteed to be unique,and you could theoretically have a collision if you hash it |
| 22:01.34 | timinator | where 4-8 digits allow for millions of possibilities |
| 22:02.08 | beandog | yah |
| 22:02.33 | timinator | and the customer can't just increment their coupon code to get some other deal |
| 22:02.42 | timinator | cause they're not in any order |
| 22:02.44 | timinator | :) |
| 22:02.47 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:03.24 | timinator | so, what would be the easiest way to make sure $k is a positive int? |
| 22:03.40 | timinator | (even though I'm the only one calling this function) |
| 22:03.59 | mgeary | uhh, if ($k < 0) return false; |
| 22:04.06 | mgeary | uhh, if ($k <= 0) return false; |
| 22:04.15 | mgeary | or even |
| 22:04.22 | mgeary | if ($k <= 8) return false; |
| 22:04.26 | mgeary | doh! |
| 22:04.31 | mgeary | if ($k <= 8) return false; |
| 22:04.40 | mgeary | stupid smileys |
| 22:04.41 | timinator | ya, but can I do something like this: |
| 22:04.53 | brast1 | if ($k<0) die; |
| 22:04.54 | brast1 | jk |
| 22:04.55 | timinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.57 | beandog | timinator, abs(intval($k)) |
| 22:05.07 | beandog | $k = abs(intval($k)); |
| 22:05.14 | timinator | oooohhh |
| 22:05.18 | beandog | if(!$k) .. |
| 22:05.36 | mgeary | i wouldn't do it that way |
| 22:05.55 | beandog | how come |
| 22:05.58 | mgeary | $k=0 or $k=1 wouldn't be desirable values, even though they'd pass that test |
| 22:05.59 | brast1 | i see a few ways i wouldn't do it, including the way i mentioned. |
| 22:05.59 | timinator | which way, mgeary? |
| 22:06.19 | mgeary | do this: |
| 22:06.22 | beandog | mgeary, right, but to check for a pos. integer alone, it'd work |
| 22:06.32 | mgeary | $k = max($k,8); |
| 22:06.42 | thebigdog | just use rand() |
| 22:06.44 | mgeary | that way you'll always have at least 8 chars |
| 22:06.46 | mgeary | hahahahahaah |
| 22:06.51 | orsonj | so, is brast1 supposed to be 1 better than brasto? |
| 22:07.02 | brast1 | doh! |
| 22:07.26 | brast1 | apparently i was signed out and auto-logged back in. |
| 22:07.48 | brast1 | leaving a hung brasto user, so my auto log-back-in couldn't use it |
| 22:08.05 | brast1 | is there an irc "whoami" command? |
| 22:09.25 | thebigdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.34 | beandog | thebigdog == evil |
| 22:09.42 | beandog | thebigdog, use /say, it looks cooler. |
| 22:09.53 | beandog | /part whoami |
| 22:09.59 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 22:10.13 | thebigdog | SunSparc, you around? |
| 22:15.24 | *** join/#uphpu beandog (n=steve@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 22:15.24 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v beandog] by ChanServ |
| 22:20.22 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 22:20.37 | orsonj | speaking of asp, anyone know of a loop continue/next statement? |
| 22:26.45 | thebigdog | in asp? |
| 22:27.18 | orsonj | yep |
| 22:27.26 | thebigdog | heavens no |
| 22:28.06 | orsonj | one more reason to use php instead of asp |
| 22:28.58 | mindjuju | <% For i = 5 To 16 |
| 22:28.58 | mindjuju | Response.Write i |
| 22:28.58 | mindjuju | Next |
| 22:28.58 | mindjuju | %> |
| 22:30.11 | orsonj | loop begin |
| 22:30.13 | orsonj | if something |
| 22:30.15 | orsonj | next |
| 22:30.22 | orsonj | do more stuff |
| 22:30.24 | orsonj | end loop |
| 22:30.40 | beandog | response.write |
| 22:30.51 | thebigdog | thebigdog.perfect; next; |
| 22:31.01 | thebigdog | thebigdog.perfect; next question; |
| 22:31.02 | timinator | or die() |
| 22:31.10 | thebigdog | timinator next question; |
| 22:31.10 | timinator | :) |
| 22:31.16 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:31.23 | thebigdog | let me clean it up |
| 22:31.26 | thebigdog | ~tunafart |
| 22:31.31 | beandog | ~brainscrub |
| 22:31.34 | thebigdog | ~tunafart timinator |
| 22:31.35 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to timinator, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 22:31.44 | thebigdog | haha need to point it somewhere |
| 22:31.51 | timinator | ~flip thebigdog |
| 22:31.52 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 22:32.06 | thebigdog | its all fun and games until someone flips you off |
| 22:32.11 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:32.16 | thebigdog | ~poop timinator |
| 22:32.24 | beandog | thebigdog, heh |
| 22:32.25 | timinator | ~poo thebigdog |
| 22:32.26 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at thebigdog |
| 22:32.31 | timinator | hehe |
| 22:32.32 | orsonj | I am trying to convert something from an odd state machine using case to something that resembles regular programming |
| 22:32.48 | thebigdog | i made my point...jbot didnt need to help |
| 22:32.52 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 22:33.15 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:43.24 | thebigdog | man im ready to play some wow |
| 22:45.25 | timinator | we need a ~wow command for jbot |
| 22:45.30 | timinator | ~wow thebigdog |
| 22:45.31 | jbot | thebigdog is, like, a guroob, or the sql guru, or a GWAR Groupie, or mindjuju's sword boy |
| 22:45.49 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:46.00 | mindjuju | swordboy! |
| 22:46.01 | timinator | no, some action with a ton of possibilities |
| 22:47.35 | beandog | whats a guroob |
| 22:47.58 | beandog | ~wow mindjuju |
| 22:47.58 | jbot | it has been said that mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a jbot super teacher, or the Prophet of Breakbeats, or 100% lame |
| 22:48.31 | mindjuju | hey! who put that 100% lame? |
| 22:49.35 | beandog | dont worry, its an or |
| 22:49.47 | beandog | ~wow |
| 22:49.47 | jbot | it has been said that wow is the eater of souls |
| 22:50.29 | thebigdog | ~wow beandog |
| 22:50.29 | jbot | somebody said beandog was the gentoo guru |
| 22:50.44 | thebigdog | ~cough |
| 22:50.44 | jbot | ACTION coughs all over thebigdog |
| 22:50.53 | thebigdog | ~cough beandog |
| 22:51.01 | thebigdog | ouch |
| 22:51.08 | thebigdog | ~slap jbot |
| 22:51.08 | jbot | ACTION slaps jbot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:51.22 | beandog | :D |
| 22:54.31 | mindjuju | that's too funny. this girl here is getting married, so the company had a wedding shower. I just went by for left over cake and to see what she got. |
| 22:54.43 | mindjuju | poor girl, all she got was like laundry soap, and cleaning stuff |
| 22:54.50 | thebigdog | what you did not attend |
| 22:54.52 | mindjuju | what the heck do they suspect she'll be doing on the wedding night? |
| 22:54.59 | mindjuju | cause guys aren't suppose to go to wedding showers |
| 22:55.10 | mindjuju | AFAIK |
| 22:55.23 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:55.24 | thebigdog | ;) |
| 22:55.52 | mindjuju | my wife got tons of "that" kind of stuff, and even from the more timid people who attended, a GC to "those" kinds of places |
| 22:56.26 | mindjuju | course, this wedding shower was in Texas |
| 23:13.43 | *** part/#uphpu brast1 (n=brasto@out.lnxi.com) |
| 23:16.10 | SunSparc | thebigdog: You rang? |
| 23:19.45 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
